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I see the weeping, wailing Esther Rantzen is suffering publicity withdrawal symptoms again…
Maidstone has been in the news quite a bit recently. Not only was a 19 year old Italian boy murdered by a gang of Lithuanians just 10 days after arriving in the country, but the foreign prisoners in HMP Maidstone decided to have a riot because they didn’t like the conditions they were being held in.
What has our country town got to look forward to this week?
Obama Told Aides About Drone Strikes: I’m ‘Really Good At Killing People’
Peter from Maidstone@November 4th, 2013 – 10:20
At least yours are behind locked doors
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/escaped-child-killer-alan-giles-6266302
Alexsandr @ 12:51
What you may have missed, Alexsandr, is the switch of our criminal justice system from a retributive to a restorative mode of operation. The case you link to fits it well, we now restore criminals to what they like doing best in no time. Lunacy.
As twilight descends on the world’s best-ever tennis player, GVdL reminds us, in his ‘Something Wonderful’ series, what this Swiss genius/finely-tuned-machine could produce when the adrenaline was in full flow.
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/icons/something_wonderful_10_pa.php
Something the dour young Scot should attempt to emulate, but will probably never achieve, sadly.
This has reached Baron from one of his friends from over the pond. It may please Malfleur in particular.
“In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has Released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College … Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate.
The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.
This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as President, the article titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned,” is leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K.
Aslo, Malfleur, apologies for not responding to your posting about the RBS results earlier.
All Baron can say is the decision not to create a bad and a good bank is the right one. From what the barbarian knows the bank is more than capable disposing of the non-performing assets, but PC keeps interfering. More to the point, the politicians keep sticking their nose into the business. Given time the bank will come clean, the taxpayer will get his money back.
Still on the Obama citizenship issue. It seems the news isn’t as new as Baron thought it was. Here’s an updated version of it.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp
A mix of talent and self confidence works wonders. He truly was the best tennis player, and a gentleman, too, in an age where both commodities are increasingly rare.
Baron@November 4th, 2013 – 13:28
RBS should have gone bust. It has no right to exist now.
Probably Lloyds as well
The self-righteous do-gooders in the US were absolutely determined to get a black president, no matter who and no matter what his background.
Obama’ qualification as a natural-born (as required by the US Constitution) have been, quite rightly, questioned since his coterie (imprisoned terrorist William Ayers and his terrorist wife, Bernadette) started pushing him forward as a candidate, although he did not have the Constitutionally-required birth certificate to prove that he was born in the US. In fact, Obama spent a lot of hours with Ayers and Devlin, who threw campaign parties for him in their home in Chicago.
The Americans allowed themselves to be cowed by political correctness because they wanted to see a black in the White House.
Obama doesn’t have a birth certificate .. he claims .. but never mind, he has assured everone that he was born in Hawaii and that’s good enough because, well, it is not nice to question the veracity of an American black. I mean, it would be almost be like the days of slavery for heaven’s sake!
Obama got into office (against the Constitution) without a shred of proof that he is American-born. And on his Indonesian permission to reside, as a child with his mother and her Indonesian husband, his school records state, under Religion, that he is a muslim.
No other president in the history of the United States, has had, as his two very close confidants and organisers, two convicted terrorists whose mission was to destroy the American government and democracy.
Alexsandr @ 13:58
Quite, itshould have. However, it didn’t, and it’s those in it who have ensure that it is restored to health again.
Verity @ 14:20
If only were the election of the messiah the peak of the power of the “self-righteous do-gooders”, it seems the same crowd is still in the ascendancy, just look at the NY Mayoral election. Private Fraser was spot on, we’re doomed.
Useless Nadim Zahawi in trouble
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/energy-bills-nadhim-zahawi-constituents-2673846
Ostrich (occasionally) November 4th, 2013 – 09:52
Asked scathingly “the Daily Mail (who reads that rag?)” well; as the list below shows, 950% more than read The Guardian. This despite the fact that all aspects of the civil service, BBC etcetera are (so we are told) Guardian readers.
Theguardian.com, Friday 6 September 2013 13.08 BST
ABCs: National dailies, August 2013
Source: ABC
August 2012 compared to August 2012.
The Sun 2,258,359 2,502,691 -9.76
Daily Mirror 1,045,971 1,088,724 -3.93
Daily Star 547,955 600,304 -8.72
Daily Record 252,575 276,270 -8.58
Daily Mail 1,802,083 1,914,126 -5.85
Daily Express 530,631 550,502 -3.61
Daily Telegraph 557,536 584,089 -4.55
The Times 391,643 407,720 -3.94
Financial Times 236,281 280,124 -15.65
The Guardian 189,646 204,271 -7.16
The Independent 68,696 81,804 -16.02
Baron
November 4th, 2013 – 13:23
“This has reached Baron from one of his friends from over the pond. It may please Malfleur in particular.”
Have you got a link to this info on the web?
Baron
November 4th, 2013 – 13:32
Sorry for my last post, I sent it before reading this one.
Alexsandr November 4th, 2013 – 13:58
“RBS should have gone bust. It has no right to exist now.”
But it didn’t , the sad, bad, mad Gordon Brown could not let it fail, as Baron has said, it will eventually over time ‘come good’ and we the tax-payer will get our money back.
You remark “Probably Lloyds as well” this was a travesty; egged on by the said sad, bad, mad idiot the then boss attempted to save Lloyds HBOS by acquiring it, this prevent HBOS collapsing and being fully nationalised.
Brown should be in prison, anyone else noticed that he now refers to himself as an ex-politician.
“ex-politician?”
Not so much a has-been as a never-was.
David Ossitt @ 15:59
You couldn’t be more right, David, the dour Scot should be the one who’s pilloried, quartered and drawn.
Baron rememberss vividly when up to almost the last minute before the crash, Eric Daniels, the former Lloyds chief resisted joining in on the financial insanity, was attacked by the MSM, the FT included, shareholders in Lloyds, politicians. Check the bank’s share price then compared to its peers, it lagged noticeably because he kept the institution on the straight and narrow.
In the end he caved in, bullied by Brown and co, went for HSBOS, saddled Lloyds with near £200bn of debt, some of it stinking malodorously because HSBOS ran its lending not mostly on the basis of deposits, but from cash raised on the wholesale money market, the same model Northern Rock followed. After the Lehmans collapse the wholesale money markets dried up in days, hence the ned for the taxpayer’s money to keep Lloyds solvent.
And Brown is till prancing around the world looking for a job with a ‘global reach’. Unbelievable that.
And this:
The DM is on Baron’s list of papers to read, Ostrich, if they don’t cover an event, nobody else does either. It’s the paper with the widest coverage of events.
David Ossitt 4th, – 15:37
“Asked scathingly “the Daily Mail (who reads that rag?)””
I would have thought from the text that it was clear that I ‘read that rag’ (and can recall items from a while ago), and that by inference my comment should be interpreted as sarcastic, not scathing.
New week, new page, but the same rotten home news. A filthy raghead has escaped dressed in a burqa, and Teresa May is getting a lot of flack from the opposition. We know May is an incompetent rubber stamper for the ass-crawling coalition, but the socialists bowed equally to the moslem shite, and allowed them in. What is interesting is the fact that the change of clothing took place at the mosque in Acton. This was where Abu Qatada was a frequent ‘worshipper’ and where Abu Hamza was also no stranger. Offered sweets and candy, May and the police are assured that the mosque had nothing to do with the escape. Who is kidding whom? In a place where a female is lower than the dirt, how could she/he be free to wander around the building? About time not only face coverings should be banned from Courts of Law, but burqas should be forbidden clothing anywhere and at anytime.
AWK – Wearing a burqa is against the law in France. When I lived there, women in burqas could not enter a post office, a school, a bank or any other public building. Then the government stepped it up and banned all face coverings in public.
There were the predictable riots in the industrial cities in the north, but the government stuck to its guns.
I agree with you. Wearing masks should be forbidden for perfectly rational reasons. Everyone has a right to know who they are dealing with. Face masks should be against the law in Britain. They are not part of their religion, and even if they were, they should still be banned. (All mohammad said was “Women should dress modestly.)
The burqa, like the yashmak, is desert attire designed to keep the constantly blowing desert sands out of eyes, noses and mouths. It has absolutely no religious significance. The Queen of Jordan does not wear a yashmak. In fact, come to think of it, only lower level, ignorant women seem to wear veils.
further to
Alexsandr@November 4th, 2013 – 14:48
Dear xxxx,
Thank you for your email.
In recognition of the fact that MPs must work from two locations they are allowed to claim accommodation costs for a second home, either in their constituency or in London.
In 2010/11 I was renting a flat in Stratford Upon Avon, for which I claimed rent and utility bills, however in 2011 I purchased a house in Tysoe, which like the homes of many of my rural constituents is not on mains gas and uses kerosene and electricity. I therefore stopped claiming for rent and only claimed for the additional costs of running a second home as required by my work, this included energy bills.
Whilst the media have reported that I have had a £6,000 a year energy bill, this is not the case. My first claim for the year 2011/12 actually related to the previous year (the bill having been received after the cut-off for claims). My claims have therefore related to bills of £3,634.88 for the year 2011/12 and £3,903.35 for 2012/13, lower than my previous claims for rent and utilities. I readily admit that these are still high, but they do reflect the costs of many people in rural areas that rely only on kerosene and electricity.
Warm regards
Nadhim
Anyone thnk that level of enegy use is excessive. And why does he have a second home in the very expensive Tysoe? Why not a semi in Stratford?
Alexsandr 4th, – 18:32
“Anyone think that level of energy use is excessive?”
It’s wa-ay more than double mine…
Verity 4th, – 18:09
” like the yashmak”
Cue Fenella Fielding’s voice…”I am wearing my Yaskmak tonight…The forecast says there will be light yash later on.”
“Round the Horne” some time in the sixties.
Ostrich (occasionally) November 4th, 2013 – 17:33
“I would have thought from the text that it was clear that I ‘read that rag’ (and can recall items from a while ago), and that by inference my comment should be interpreted as sarcastic, not scathing.”
Sorry O.
I should have realised that you were jesting, my excuse is that I get fed up with the constant sniping on the BBC from the Gaurdianista readers about the Mail and their readers.
Ostrich (occasionally) – Very good!
Ostrich, the Stratford Observer reports that he lives in a … £1 million mansion within a 31 acre estate, at Tysoe.
There should surely be a limit on the amount paid for utility bills since they are related to the size of the house an MP chooses to purchase and not to the average or reasonable amount paid for in an average house in the area.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 November 4th, 2013 – 17:49
“A filthy raghead has escaped dressed in a burqa”
Ann, proof if any more proof were needed; that the wearing of veils, masks, shrouds, closely zipped up hoods in public should be immediately banned, we the English are far too tolerant we allow those who hate us to literally get away with murder.
Remember PC Sharon Beshenivsky shot and killed and her partner PC Teresa Millburn who was also shot at the same time in Bradford on the 18 November 2005, they were shot by a gang of Muslim gangsters. This led to six suspects being arrested; three were later convicted of murder, robbery and firearms offences; two of manslaughter, robbery and firearms offences; and one of robbery.
A seventh suspect remains at large, it was that bastard who fled the country to fly to Pakistan dressed as a woman in a burka.
No one should be allowed to pass through an airport/ferry terminal etcetera without being seen by one and all.
The terms niqab and burqa are often incorrectly used interchangeably; a niqab covers the face while a burqa covers the whole body from the top of the head to the ground.
Those bleeding heart liberals Nick-le-arse-Clegg being a prime example who say that they are quite comfortable in how others wish to dress are not only vacuous asinine fools but by being thus; are in point of fact putting our lives in danger, whilst at the same time offending our gaze in that we have to see and witness in these, our green lands a sight that was imposed by the Taliban in dirty, dry, primitive and wretched Afghanistan, let us not forget that “the Taliban forced all women to wear the burqa in Afghanistan”.
Michael Roberts 3rd, – 16:24
“I don’t believe I have ever seen Common Purpose actually mentioned in the MSM before. At any rate it must certainly be very rare.”
Well, now; dere’s a t’ing…
Common Purpose gets most of a page to itself in the DM today, although if you strip out the photo of its head harridan and the big, blocky headlines there’s only about half a page of real, live wordy things.
My beloved has asked me not to read The Daily Mail this evening, (home delivered every morning but never read till evening) she said that my blood pressure will hit the ceiling.
According to my love, Bulgarians and Romanians are being tutored in how to claim benefits when they arrive here next January.
Why oh why; are we the English governed by such idiots?
Just a note to say that I have added a Like/Dislike function to the comments on the site. We can see how we get on with it. It might be useful as a means for the large number of anonymous visitors to express themselves and for well written and well thought out comments to be commended.
Watch out, we have been invaded by thumbs, some up some down.
Is P from M trying to tell us something.
PfM 4th, – 19:07
“There should surely be a limit on the amount paid for utility bills since they are related to the size of the house an MP chooses to purchase and not to the average or reasonable amount paid for in an average house in the area.”
The principle seems reasonable to me. Since the million pound mansion isn’t his primary home, he need occupy (and heat) only the space of a one-bedroomed flat for his constituency duties and those long, lonely nights away from his loving famerlee.
David Ossitt 4th, – 19:02
“I get fed up with the constant sniping on the BBC from the Guardianista readers about the Mail and their readers.”
Fair enough. My milieu is often polluted by a particular Guardianista (and BBC lover.). Unfortunately I have to bit my tongue and be polite, ‘cos she’s the partner of one of my sons and mother of my grandson.
Ostrich (occasionally) November 4th, 2013 – 19:58
“Unfortunately I have to bit my tongue and be polite”
Strange that you should write that, we (my love and I) find that we more often than not have to bite our tongs in the company of our offspring and theirs, whereas we never hide our opinions from friends and acquaintances.
David Ossitt
November 4th, 2013 – 19:35
Yes, David, I still remember with sadness the murder of those two policewomen.
Verity
November 4th, 2013 – 18:09
Dreadful to admit it, but the French have better leaders than we do.
AWK 21:02 – I couldn’t agree more! But then, so does almost everyone else, if we are regarding the present and former two prime ministers …
Mohammedans today enter into the new year 1435.
Radford Ng 22.27 That sounds about right.
David Ossitt 4th, – 20:03
“whereas we never hide our opinions from friends and acquaintances.”
Not so strange, really…isn’t that how we (unconscoiusly) select our real friends?
David Ossitt 4th, – 20:03
“whereas we never hide our opinions from friends and acquaintances.”
Not so strange, really…isn’t that how we (unconsciously) select our real friends?
Sorry…’nother bloody typo!
Verity
Sari to trouble you, but this one is definitely for you:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2487180/Samantha-Cameron-glitters-spectacular-autumnal-sari-celebrates-Diwali-visit-Hindu-temple.html
Verity,
In addition to Frank P’s most amusing photo @06:09 take a look this one of the gurning, garlanded SamCam on the front page of The Times …..
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/397494428828332033/photo/1
@07:38,
Sorry, as usual The DM had much better coverage.
Ostrich (occasionally) November 4th, 2013 – 23:38
David Ossitt 4th, – 20:03
“Not so strange, really…isn’t that how we (unconsciously) select our real friends?”
Yes of course you are correct.
Just to note that Frank P has posted a blog on the site…
http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/a-policemans-lot
Don’t know why, but cannot access any of the links this morning!
Anne Wotana Kaye 1@November 5th, 2013 – 09:50
nor me
IE10, windows 7
Which links?
Peter of Maidstone
All this morning’s links.
i see that UCL tells us that immigrants give us net benefit.
Boris was right.
BBC informs us that immigrant’s are making a good contribution to the economy. Nonsense. The finest immigrants we had were in the sixties/seventies of Asians cruelly thrown out of Africa. Our gain of these fine professionals, tradespeople and families was Kenya, Uganda and other African countries loss. They not only brought a wide variety of talents, but an ethos of family morality, business ethics, and gave the NHS a boost in some of the finest medical staff and doctors. They were not received very well, but quickly established their own social networks, and gradually the host country learned to appreciate their skills and value.
I think that the latest upgrade to WordPress, which the site is running on, has turned off links being links by default. You can cut and paste the link into your browser address bar of course, but I’ll investigate the situation and remedy it as soon as possible.
What will the Tories tell you in order to win your vote? The message depends on what ‘tribe’ they think you’re in. Slippery blighters!
“Forget Mondeo Man: Tories identify eight tribes to win in 2015”
??
Franks link works.
If you create the link using < a href = >Link text < / a > etc then it works. I’m trying to see why it has stopped doing what it used to do.
Ostrich (occasionally) November 4th, 2013 – 19:58
” …. unfortunately I have to bite my tongue and be polite, ‘cos she’s the partner of one of my sons and mother of my grandson.”
Ah, yes. Me too. (or get the evil eye from my best friend/former wife)
Tommy Robinson gone beyond the Pale now;he’s joined the Movember campaign.
Frank P 6:09 … Yes, but she looked like such a plonker, never having been to India and seen how beautifully Indian women walk. She might have worn, however gauchely, a sari if they were visiting India … But a temple round the corner?
Everyone posting on The Mail absolutely loathed this embarrassing stunt. She doesn’t even know how to walk in a sari. Indian women walk elegantly. That was one of the first things I noticed the first time I went to India. They all, except the elderly, carry themselves beautifully.
And that bindi (red dot on the forehead)! They’re never going to bindi t like Beckham.
They looked surpassing ridiculous.
In Essex, a boy of 8 years old shoots another boy of 5 years old with an illegally obtained gun. The owner of the gun is an 18 year old man with a record of drugs and also had more guns. The police and judiciary have allowed this criminal to be out on bail. Are they all insane, criminally insane or just criminals?
Congratulations to India for launching a mission to Mars. It’s a shame that India has the largest population of people who have to go to toilet in the street, and don’t have running water. But it is a source of great pride that the UK taxpayer can see her hard earned AID funds put to such good use.
P from M 13:52 … Are you sure? Yes, there are people in rural areas who may not have running water yet (I don’t know), but people in the cities do.
Have you ever been to India?
Verity, I am very sure of the figures. India has the highest population of people in the world who have no sanitation and no fresh water. It is a scandal. I have investigated it very thoroughly. More people in India do their business outside in the street than anywhere else.
Peter from Maidstone@November 5th, 2013 – 14:54
Except Coventry on a Saturday night 🙁
Thanks, Peter. That must be the agrarian population. Everyone in the big cities looks spruce and spiffy.
I know a lot of Indians, and I think that you have not been to many of the urban areas that are not very spruce at all. There are many rich people in India, but the vast majority, as in China, live in desperate poverty.
638 million Indian people defecate in the open, while their Government sends a redundant mission to Mars!
48 percent of children in India suffer from some degree of malnutrition. 44 percent of mothers dispose of their babies fecal waste in the open. 75 percent of Indians don’t have water in their homes and 67 percent don’t treat their water in any way. The second biggest killer is diarrhoea. When we are talking of a billon people these percentages are huge populations. But India has the atomic bomb and a space programme! And we send them hundreds of millions in AID.
P from M – You don’t cite the source for your figures.
UN official figures.
And you believe the UN, do you?
Does the official handing over of Neasden, by the PM and his leftist minder, Sam the Sari, to the Hindus and Sikhs mean that we can cut the o/s aid bill a bit? After all they already have acquired Southall, Wembley and Leicester, to name but three coups enabled by previous donations by our generous politicians exercising largesse with taxpayers money.
Nothing against the religions of either group who have impeccable manners and are Brit friendly; but the old joke about North Ealing, West Ealing and Darjeeling is becoming somewhat less of a joke. As Mark Steyn would say – “why bother with terrorism – it’ the demographics, stupid.”
Anybody know what the equivalent of Dhimmi is to the Hindus and Sikhs? I’d like to instruct my grandchildren on the necessary protocols as they obviously will be needing to know.
Anyway Keith Vaz gave us a taste of it today, when he requestioned the West Mid Police Federation guys and invited them to eat a little dog-shit in penance. I think he probably shit and fell back in it himself. If my missus is any judge (and she usually gets it spot on – often to my detriment) in the juxtaposition of politicians acting as cop and cops acting as politicians Vaz came off worst in the exchange. She thinks that Jones should have asked Vaz to lay his own ‘unproven’ deliquency record on the line, beside the routine complaint record that every police officer accrues as a matter of course in 28 years of service. How many pennies can you knock off the table with yours Keith? Oily ficking git! How’s that for disrespect Kezzer?
Jones should have been a bit more sanguine about his dislike for the Home Sec. too. “That woman” seems less of a rebuke in her case than Bill Clinton’s use of it when he was talking about Monica. After all she is dismantling the police function in preparation to handing it over to Europol and Yankee ex-top cops whose bullshit is even more dire than our own Bramshill brainwashed J Arthurs.
Hope you’re all thinking of acquiring pads in gated communities (and that’s just to protect yourselves from over-bearing para-military tooled up supercops). 🙂
AWK 13:44 – This is in the left’s tradition of ignoring facts for sentiment. As they say in Texas, “If you ban guns, only the criminals will have guns”.
Texas was the first state, under Dubya, to make “carrying concealed” legal. Now the crimiinals don’t know who is packin’. As they say, “An armed society is a polite society.” That means that keeping a loaded gun under the counter or in your glove compartment is legal, so you try not to let doors slam on the person behind you in case they’re having a bad day.
I have seen two elderly ladies at the hairdresser’s, with their guns out on their laps, comparing the action.
I don’t think it is much of a society where you hold a door open because you are afraid someone will shoot you. That is not politeness at all.
Verity@16.21
I like that. Bit dangerous, though, if the hairdresser puts too much blue in their hair rinse!
AWK – Texans are actually very polite. They always address other people (not their friends, obviously) as “sir” or “ma’am” … as in “Thank you,ma’am,” and “Exuse me, sir, but can you direct me to …”. Because people know they are in control, they’re pretty easy-going.
Peter, don’t be so literal!
Instead of burning effigies of Guy Fawkes, the British should be sainting him. If he’d succeeded, there’d be none of the dross, chancers, greed-driven, ego-driven denizens of the Houses of Parliament that inhabit Parliament today.
Verity
November 5th, 2013 – 19:50
Good point!
Perhaps instead of an effigy of the Guy, we should burn an effigy of whoever is the current PM each year. To keep them mindful.
Churchill speaking in 1924 – and how true this remains today in every nation where the bigoted cult of Socialism raises its divisive head. His references to Conservative and Liberal cooperation are especially prescient and Ca-moron would do well to mull over this text before his next meeting with the toxic twats he’s shackled himself to.
“But what of the future? What is the great danger to our national trade and prosperity with which we are confronted at the present time? It is purely the rapid growth in numbers, in influence, in prestige, of a great body of our fellow citizens who are being taught to repeat and believe in the false doctrines of Socialism, which, if ever seriously put into practice, would reduce this island to chaos and starvation.
Now it is in the face of this danger that I ask: How long are we going to continue to allow the artificially fomented jealousies and quarrels of Conservatives and Liberals to play into the hands of the Socialists? How long are the interests of the country to suffer from sterile party conflicts in the presence of an advancing peril? How long are the Liberals and Conservatives to paralyse each other so that both may be ruled by a Socialist minority?
The deliberate policy of the Socialists is, of course, to prevent any common action between Liberals and Conservatives in order that Socialism may progress and devour the Liberals at leisure. All their tactics are conceived with this intention.
I will tell you. For the object not of doing good, but of breeding strife, for the squalid and sordid purpose of maintaining the Socialist Government in office by placing a difficulty in the path of Conservative and Liberal co-operation.
The Budget furnishes an example from beginning to end of Socialistic inconsistency and insincerity. Mr. Snowden has simply remitted taxation to the utmost and left the Exchequer absolutely bare as far as social reform is concerned. If any of these schemes for which Socialists have clamoured so loudly are to be carried forward it can only be by the imposition next year of heavy new direct taxation, which must be deeply damaging to the trade and industry of the country.
But this is only one illustration…It presumes to speak in the name of the people. It represents less than one-third of the electors. It maintains itself in office precariously by playing upon the jealousies and divisions of the two older parties and by giving a sop now and again to the Liberals. Sometimes it offers what you might call an inverted sop, pleasing the Conservatives by offending the Liberals, or pleasing the Liberals by irritating the Conservatives.
The Government has no political principles. It is purely an opportunist party living perforce from hand to mouth and from day to day.
Everywhere they let it be understood they had some great remedy or scheme which would improve the position and put an end to this lamentable state of affairs. Yet although the session is half over it is perfectly clear that they have no scheme or plan for dealing with unemployment except to go on in a more or less feeble way with the plans and schemes for unemployment of the Liberal and Tory parties in the past. As for housing, they propose, I understand, to build fewer houses next year-if they are there to build them – [Laughter] – than the wicked, reactionary Coalition Government were building three years ago.
I say that these are examples of political inconsistencies beyond compare in modern life. While the Socialist Ministers are priding themselves on doing the same sort of thing that Liberal and Conservative Governments would have done, while they have put themselves off in practice and in office from their wild theories, they tell us in the same breath that they believe in those theories as ardently as ever, and that they are only waiting for an opportunity to put them into force. Somebody is being deceived. Either it is the public, who are lulled into a sense of false security, or it is the Socialist party, if they allow their creed to be repudiated by their leaders for the sake of office.
It is time this farce should end. [Loud cheers.] The truth is that Socialism in England is permeated from end to end with humbug. The leaders do not believe in the doctrines they preach. They do not weigh with them for one moment in comparison with the prospect of obtaining office or retaining office. They cater for one side of their followers with every argument of Christianity and altruism, while another set receive instruction in the Socialist Sunday school in the vilest garbage of atheism and revolution. [Cheers.]
They are a minority holding office on sufferance, and are always claiming fair play for themselves. What fair play do they show to others? Even the elementary right of free speech has been challenged by the Socialist party in a manner unknown to this country for generations. No word of censure of this rowdyism has been spoken by their leaders.
But my gravest accusation against the Socialist party is that they are deliberately and wantonly corrupting the character of the British nation. If their only object is to carry out practical reforms without revolution or disorder what is the need and what is the sense of teaching great masses of great-hearted English people to perform the antics and grimaces of Continental Socialism, to mouth the exploded doctrines of Karl Marx, to sing or drone that dreary dirge the Socialist International instead of the National Anthem–and to be proud of the Red Flag instead of the Union Jack?
The harm that has been done already is very great. Nearly a third of the electorate has been marshalled around these foreign standards and taught to regard the institutions, the history, and the greatness of our country and Empire as if they were odious means of oppression to be repudiated or swept away at the earliest possible moment.
My proposal or policy which you have allowed me to lay before you tonight is simple and plain. I do not seek, as has been suggested, to bring division to the Conservative party. God forbid! It is a reinforcement, not a division. I propose to you that we should return to the arrangement offered to the Conservative party by the National Liberals in the spring of 1922 -and it was also the position in 1886 of the Liberal Unionists -that is to say, a strong and active Conservative party united under its own leaders with a Liberal wing co-operating in whatever may be found most useful and helpful for the national and common interest and honourable principles.
Cooperation means that we should make common causes, that we should stand together, and, laying aside every impediment, that we should fight shoulder to shoulder in the endeavour by every means in our power to secure the defeat of Socialism at the polls.
Such cooperation would also involve the adherence by the Conservative party to the broad progressive platform of public policy such as their leaders have now definitely adopted and formally and definitely proclaimed. That is the road to victory, it is the only road to victory of the cause which we have at heart.”
Great find CM; when will they ever learn?
Thanks for that. Ninety years on and those sage words could have been said yesterday (if there still existed a politician capable of writing such thoughts and delivering them with such gravitas and prescience).
I liked your parathetical final phrase, Frank!
Verity (20:42)
As one who has had his effigy burned on a number of occasions, I’m able to inform you that the subject feels no pain, sadly. The real thing is probably the only effective method. 🙂
Saw Anthea Vere-Toombs on Newsnight tonight.
Scratch head…who she?
In Nicholas Monsarrat’s ‘Tribe that lost its Head’ and ‘Richer than all his Tribe’, A V-T is described as a ‘haggard blonde’.
Oh, wait…in the second book she died in a ‘plane crash.
Ah, well. Scrumble up paper and toss in trash-can. Try again.
Frank P – Perhaps we need to bring the death penalty back for elected politicians who fail to keep their electoral promises and cause untold human misery.
There should be a public hearing at the end of every political term, into whether the incumbent did harm to the country. The punishment could be public flogging and also, for a certain level of gravity of misdemeanour, the death penalty. There should be a provision that any prime minister found to have caused great harm to the nation of Great Britain and the wellbeing of the BRITISH electorate, should suffer death.
Verity
The day will come; I’m not sorry that I won’t be here to witness it. But I have prepared my issue and theirs (and theirs already). They think we are all bonkers and are ‘good’ with the multi-culti melange, so they tell me. Whaddayado? That’s evolution for ya.
Let’s do Housman again:
Into my heart an air that kills
From yon far country blows.
What are those blue remembered hills?
What farms, what spires are those?
That is the land of lost content;
I see it shining plain.
The happy highways where I went
And cannot come again.
Eat your heart out Fergus: simple, evocative and profound.
Frank P – And it scans.
A 19 year old Norwegian girl stabbed to death on a rural bus,in Norway,along with the driver and a Swedish man; by an asylum seeker from South Sudan.He was due to be sent back to Spain on the grounds that was the first save country he had arrived in…..This was the second killing on the route.A driver was killed in 2003 by an Ethiopean.See the following link,then click on any of the high-lighted words:these lead to various newspapers in Norway and Sweden—most of which can be translated by google. http://www.snaphanen.dk/2013/11/04/asylansoger-draeber-to-nordmaend-og-en-svensker
AhSo!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487859/Japans-Freshness-Burger-restaurant-invents-eating-mask-hide-womens-faces.html
There is too much bile spouted at one o’clock in the morning.
And at other times.
Therefore, since the world has still
Much good, but much less good than ill,
And while the sun and moon endure
Luck’s a chance, but trouble’s sure,
I’d face it as a wise man would,
And train for ill and not for good.
I would refer those who believe that “their nation” is “Great Britain” to the front cover s of their passports.
In today’s ‘Torygraph’ the editorial cartoon is a bit phallic.
Frank P 5th, – 23:28
“(if there still existed a politician capable of writing such thoughts and delivering them with such gravitas and prescience).”
Self deprecating as ever…
Ostrich (occ) @ 09:47
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02724/ADAMS20131106_2724815a.jpg
yes it is!
Fergus Pickering November 6th, 2013 – 07:55
Fergus for heaven’s sake stop it.
Your own attempted verse is quite terrible but for you to attempt to improve matters by copying word for word the first six lines of Alfred Edward Housmand’s verse 62 of his acclaimed ‘A Shropshire Lad’ his masterpiece of a cycle of sixty-three poems, without mentioning the source is just not on.
Ostrich (occasionally) November 6th, 2013 – 09:52
“I would refer those who believe that “their nation” is “Great Britain” to the front cover s of their passports.”
At the very top in print half the size of what comes below is ‘European Union’ below in bolder print ‘United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland below this sits our Queens Standard, this occupies over half of the page.
Mail on Line is not directly linked to the Daily Mail and has different readership and demographics.(Source;The Media Show,Radio 4) MoL has the widest on line content (including `The Column of Shame`) with the most `comment boards`[with all it’s faults]and is free to view.The Times and Sun are behind a pay-wall;and the Telegraph gives an allowance of free views per month.
Gerard Vanderleun does consistently dig out some quirky vids; this one is fascinating and explains a quite lot about the human condition:
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/news_to_me/the_scifright_zone_blendi.php
And for the senior Wallsters, this one reminds me of the days of the days of the Jane strip cartoon in the Daily Mirror:
http://happyacres.tumblr.com/post/66089852378
Implicit, rather than explicit advertising erotica.
Re mine;Wed 6 at 06-06:Killings on Norwegian bus.Accused claimed to be from South Sudan via Egypt,Israel and Spain but there are doubts as to who he is.A list of articles in a Norwegian paper can be found below,although the links aren’t working. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/spesial.php?id=9197
Frank P 7th, – 02:34
“senior Wallsters, this one reminds me of the days of the days of the Jane strip cartoon in the Daily Mirror:”
They’re high quality toolmakers, Ridgid. 🙂
From the Torygraph:
“Bring back intellectual argument to politics, says Lord Kinnock”
How could he tell?
Frank P – 02:34
So what is the difference between a wrench and a wench?
I’ve removed the thumbs up and down function because it was that which was interfering with the links.
What did we think of the thumbs up and down? Does it add value or not? I can fix the issue with the links but do not know what you all think about having a means of approving and disapproving of posts?
Peter from Maidstone
November 7th, 2013 – 10:37
Most definitely better without the function. Far more important to see the links than the ‘Thumbs up, down’ gimmick. We are, mostly literate people who can make our approval or disapproval in erudite postings. Fine for the “DM” and other tabloids, but happy things are back to normal. Thanks, Peter!
Anne Wotana Kaye 1@November 7th, 2013 – 11:44
Agree
If a complex post we don’t know what bit they are agreeing with, Far better to reply with text. And not anonymously.
For the idle they can just post +1 cant they?
AWK1 – 11:44
Alexsandr – 11:50
Totally agree, but don’t let that put you off experimenting.
It’s the request for feed back that we like!
RobertC@November 7th, 2013 – 12:13
What would be good is a quote button, that copies the post into your new post in a box, with a link back to the original.
You add your comment below the ‘quote’ box.
Makes unravelling threads much easier.
But do we want a set of discussion areas each week so keep different topics discreet?
Alexandr (13.27)
Hope you mean discrete rather than discreet. Discretion is definitely not the better part of valour in the saloon bar here. 🙂
The inexorable acceptance (and therefore imposition) of Dhimmitude by those allegedly representing our interests:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4047/global-peace-and-unity-conference-uk
“At the end of this month, on November 23-24, UK politicians, in a crushing betrayal of Britain’s moderate Muslims, are planning join many of Britain’s most outspoken Islamist groups and preachers at the sixth Global Peace and Unity conference, due to be held in London. Tens of thousands attend these conferences; journalists applaud the initiative, and cabinet ministers, political commentators and other policy-makers address its crowds.”
Please read it all.
Btw, even Simom Westrop uses the oxymoron ‘moderate muslims’ as you can see from the extract above.
Please clutch your buttocks as you read and watch this one – or perhaps not if Old Bill is in anywhere near the vicinity :
http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/11/06/this-actually-happened-in-america-new-mexico-man-forced-to-undergo-anal-cavity-search-after-routine-traffic-stop/?utm_source=Daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2013-11-06_273106&utm_content=22716580&utm_term=_273106_273113
Only in America … we hope!
I know … I know … only a matter of time.
“We did everything by the book”
“What book, Mengele’s book?”
“The sniffer dog found something suspicious on his driving seat.”
Hardly surprising after two hairy-arsed traffic cops had approached him with their pieces drawn. 🙂
Another and deeper probe into anusgate:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/05/1253274/-Absolutely-unimaginable-this-could-happen-in-America
Not for the squeamish. Except those with a penchant for colonic lavage, perhaps.
… and if all that doesn’t aggravate your alimentary diverticula, this emetic/laxative most certainly will; or should, anyway!
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/sebastian-payne/2013/11/parliamentarian-of-year-awards-2013-the-winners/
FMOBB!! With the laces still tied.
I think Austin Barry should be awarded a gallantry medal for still performing active service in that theatre of the culture war. Not to mention a Nobbled Prize for his trenchant and sustained wit and humour under enemy fire.
The Spectator is no longer a publication of any seriousness, and certainly not of the right. It aspires to be Hello magazine with words and will shortly be bundled with Hi and Wotcha in a plastic bag for £2 in Marks and Spencer!
Most of its so-called Parliamentarians of the Year are all sodomo-philes. Is that the conservative response? Give those working hard to destory Britain a medal? The only surprise is that Boris Johnson didn’t insist a variety of Muslim extremists were not similarly rewarded!
Life in China for anyone who steps out of line in any way…
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/06/world/asia/china-labor-camp-halloween-sos/index.html
Frank P November 7th, 2013 – 02:34
“Implicit, rather than explicit advertising erotica.”
As you say Frank implicit, in our day a little titillation was more than enough.
Remember these?
http://www.americanartarchives.com/vargas.htm
Frank P at November 7th, 2013 – 14:34 and at 14:51 gives us links to police harassment New Mexico style.
It is well worth the read, as Frank says it is only a matter of time.
This news report out of New Mexico is so disturbing, it’s hard to imagine this could happen in America. Talk about an unreasonable search:
The incident began January 2, 2013 after David Eckert finished shopping at the Wal-Mart in Deming. According to a federal lawsuit, Eckert didn’t make a complete stop at a stop sign coming out of the parking lot and was immediately stopped by law enforcement.
Eckert’s attorney, Shannon Kennedy, said in an interview with KOB that after law enforcement asked him to step out of the vehicle, he appeared to be clenching his buttocks. Law enforcement thought that was probable cause to suspect that Eckert was hiding narcotics in his anal cavity. While officers detained Eckert, they secured a search warrant from a judge that allowed for an anal cavity search.
Initially the doctor on duty refused the search, citing it as “unethical.”
Unfortunately, after several hours, hospital personnel relented and did the search.
Here’s what happened to David Eckert at that hospital:
While there, Eckert was subjected to repeated and humiliating forced medical procedures. A review of Eckert’s medical records, which he released to KOB, and details in the lawsuit show the following happened:
1. Eckert’s abdominal area was x-rayed; no narcotics were found.
2. Doctors then performed an exam of Eckert’s anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.
3. Doctors performed a second exam of Eckert’s anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.
4. Doctors penetrated Eckert’s anus to insert an enema. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
5. Doctors penetrated Eckert’s anus to insert an enema a second time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
6. Doctors penetrated Eckert’s anus to insert an enema a third time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
7. Doctors then x-rayed Eckert again; no narcotics were found.
8. Doctors prepared Eckert for surgery, sedated him, and then performed a colonoscopy where a scope with a camera was inserted into Eckert’s anus, rectum, colon, and large intestines. No narcotics were found.
Throughout this ordeal, Eckert protested and never gave doctors at the Gila Regional Medical Center consent to perform any of these medical procedures.
Think that’s outrageous? David Eckert has since been billed by the hospital for all the procedures and they are threatening to take him to collections.
David Ossitt
November 7th, 2013 – 17:02
Think that’s outrageous? David Eckert has since been billed by the hospital for all the procedures and they are threatening to take him to collections.
I suppose there are some advantages to being an NHS client!
Some positive news!
Digby Jones, a former Director General of the CBI and Minister of State for Trade and Investment, has said ‘the obvious’, but it is good to have it reported in a national newspaper:
Digby Jones: UK must quit EU unless it radically reforms
Lord Jones of Birmingham says David Cameron is unlikely to achieve significant concessions and that referendum on membership should be held before 2015 election
£ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10432124/Digby-Jones-UK-must-quit-EU-unless-it-radically-reforms.html
“His comments will jar with his former employer the CBI, which this week argued vehemently for Britain to remain in Europe.”
You can say that again!
His original article is in the Times:
£ http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article3915110.ece
And here is Lord Digby Jones at the 2013 UKIP Conference, which some of you were not able to access earlier:
Just the job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys3RIax_AAo
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 November 7th, 2013 – 17:26
“I suppose there are some advantages to being an NHS client!”
Hello Anne, yes it has served me and mine very well over the years; increasingly so as we, my beloved and I slide gently in to our dotage (decidedly not senility), four different consultants and a superb GP keep me going.
And my love will attend the LGI next Tuesday for what turns out to be her eighteenth day patient surgery in as many years for the removal of skin-cancers, prior to her surgery last year our GP told her that by then she had had over 120 removed so with last years and this she will be pushing at 145.
And yet with attending at hospitals so often we do see areas where there are huge amounts of waste and bad or miss-management and often this is not the fault of the medical staff but of the non-medical jobsworths.
A few years back one of my consultants called his team of juniors round him to tell them that he was advising me to write a letter of complaint to the top management at one of the Leeds Hospitals, (for the life of me I can’t remember why) but what I can remember was that my copious medical file went missing for over two years, coincidence?
I think not.
David Ossitt
November 7th, 2013 – 19:25
Hope all goes well for your wife next Tuesday.
By the way, David, if my posting sounded flip and heartless, well you know me, over the years, and it’s not so much heartlessness, but a quirky sense of humour.
Tonight’s QT[BBC 1] is from Boston with Nigel Farage.There is a follow-up and phone-in on Radio 5 until 1am.
Radford Ng – How can those of us living overseas access it?
Use a proxy.
Verity : It seems to be on at http://www.bbc.co.uk/5live
Radfor Ng – Linkee no workee. Or at least, it just seemed to take me to a site that didn’t seem relevant to the subject.
Not a good time to be a bat:
Wind farm body count raises fears for future of bats
“More than 600,000 bats were killed in the United States last year by wind turbines, according to a new estimate.
The figure, based on a statistical analysis of rates of dead bats found close to 21 turbines, suggests that wind energy could be harmful to certain migratory species.The bat counts were averaged to give a death toll per mega watt generated. Extrapolating this to the total power generated in the US, gave an estimate of 600,000 deaths.”
£ http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/environment/wildlife/article3916019.ece
People should start vandalising these choppers. And they are not farms. Farms grow things, out of the earth. Not chop down creatures of the sky. I hate anyone who has a windfarm or owns shares in a windfarm. (Doesn’t Samantha Cameron’s father own a windfarm? Maybe he should invest in a sari factory.)
This “dash-cam” compilation video should dispel the myth propagated by my Russian neighbour, and other continentals, that they are better at driving in adverse weather conditions:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/5RAaW_1FzYg
#Warning# Not for anybody with a “dicky ticker”
Nobody got killed, not even the dog. A miracle! Luck, or intervention by a higher power?
Caffeine – check
Adrenalin – check
M25 -Tally Ho!
Frank P, November 7th, 2013 – 14:51
Worthy of a “thumbs up” – had the facility still been in place.
Re: the dead bat data… not really scientific though. You look at 21 turbines and extrapolate nationally. That’s the sort of science Global Warmists do.
Any comments on last night’s QT?
PfM 8th, – 09:13
“That’s the sort of science Global Warmists do.@
Indeed. 🙂
AWK1 8th, – 09:27
“Any comments on last night’s QT?”
Nope. Didn’t watch it (or any other). My blood pressure won’t stand it.
Hell, if it existed, would be an ideal place to send all Dimblebys, and any other useful idiots that have any hand in selecting panels, audiences and all the other mechanisms that go to ensuring the programme is irredeemably leftist biased.
Robin Day must be spinning in his grave.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 November 8th, 2013 – 09:27
“Any comments on last night’s QT?”
Indescribably horrible.
Ostrich (occasionally)
November 8th, 2013 – 09:39
I dp not watch either!
David Ossitt
November 8th, 2013 – 10:12
Just glad I do not have a license.
I’ve just seen a recording of Question Time.
It’s a show I always found hard to watch in England anyway, but distance just seems to make it more sickening.
The whole thing was a Farage ambush.
That awful woman Vicky Pryce was there and not a word was said about her and her criminality, her dishonesty and so on. She was there as an advocate for the EU – so take her word on that.
The Romanians won’t be coming in large numbers, said Pryce.
As the economists said of the Poles.
Why, if they’re not coming, are there so many scrambling to the UK already?
Big Issue sellers in the UK have huge ranks of Romanians among them. London’s cashpoint crime – plenty of Romanians behind that.
And that’s before we even get on to Tory Anna Soubry’s relentless, spiteful attacks on Farage.
What a sight it was to behold.
Ms Soubry is just yer typical modern Tory: a cheap-labour-cost wolf dressed in multi-culti sheep’s clothing.
She pleaded her soft credentials, while savaging the only person on the panel to speak the truth.
And the Labour lady was just as dreadful. Emily Whatsitsface, shadow attorney general.
She had clearly been briefed beforehand – ‘Go a little easy on the immigration – we want the public to forget how responsible Labour was for it all.’
So her line of attack was not the wonderful benefits of multi-culti, but Nige’s incompetence.
‘Making it up as you go along?’ she spat before he could finish a sentence.
And he trounced the whole panel with the constant point: they all say they believe in managed migration – so why do they all support a system with an open door?
None of them could deal with that.
Yes, and the usual left-wing audience plants are in it.
It’s a show I do not miss and really don’t like to watch, but if you want to see the BBC propaganda machine in full swing – and we must sometimes see it in action to remind ourselves what we are up against – do watch it.
It is chilling.
I read Frank P’s post on the police with great interest and when I dig into the detail it is just so slimy.
Keith Vaz, a man with much to hide, has ended up with a very nice ‘you scratch my back, and I’ll scratch yours’ set of circumstances with the slimiest elements of the Tory party.
Those backbenchers do that all the time. There are peerages to think about.
With mainstream media owner collusion, the spotlight has been taken entirely off what was said at the gates of Downing Street.
Andrew Mitchell will still not make a complaint himself. Why not?
He’s so passionate about it, but wouldn’t complain himself?
That would put the spotlight on him to say – in its entirety – what he said.
He admits the aggression and swearing.
And he won’t make ciminal charges either.
Because he knows what the defence barristers for the cops in Downing Street would ask him.
Keith Vaz’s focus has shifted not to Mr Mitchell’s behaviour in Downing Street but to what three senior officers said at a later meeting with Mr Mitchell, which Mr Mitchell secretly tape recorded.
That is where Mitchell is fishing for an apology – not the first encounter and the one where he admits being aggressive and swearing.
The ‘wrongdoing’ Mitchell alleges is something procedural after the event.
But what about you and your swearing and aggression chum? And your refusal to ever spell out every word you ever said at the gates of Downing Street.
Like Tony Soprano, Vaz is laundering away the effects of the first meeting with the police by focusing on something else entirely.
It’s a smokescreen.
Never mind the second meeting. What about the howling aggression at the first?
And the Press barons and other backbenchers are all joining in with their sobs of pity for Mitchell. To say nothing of the IPCC woman’s links to Lynton Crosby. Small world, isn’t it?
So Keith Vaz – a man who needs his back covered – has ended up in a situation where, how can I put it, he has ‘endeared’ himself to other people who need their back covering.
How do you like that!
Might I put it like this.
LibLabCon – all in it together.
Verity;you might get QT at the following link. It features Nigel Farage;Anne Soubry[Con. MP,who is certain to lose in 2015 unless she can pick-up the surprizingly large Lib Dem vote];Benjamin Zephaniah[Black British`poet`–enough said];Vasiliki Courmouzis–also known as Vicky Pryce,ex wife of Chris Huhne]…..Questions on shipbuilding,immigration,burkas,snooping……QT starts 35min in,and includes 85min phone-in. SEE http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03gbxj7/Question_Time_Extra_Time_07_11_2013/
Joany
I watched it, too. Predictable I’m afraid. I agree with your analysis. They obviously didn’t let in the lady from Boston, who during their last visit there, not so long ago, ripped that old crone Mary Beard a spare one. It was, as you say, a completely rigged audience. But as I have previously mooted, I’m not sure they need to do that any more, because rigged or otherwise, I’m beginning to suspect that it is representative of the already Dhimmified proletariat that comprises the majority of our populace, drunk on the juice of the teat of the Nanny State. After four – nay at least six – decades of relentless brainwashing, the British public are not only ripe for plucking, they are being well and truly plucked, along with the strawberries that apparently can only be plucked by the incomers who are plucking us too. Suck it up as they pluck it up I’m afraid; planned and relentless: that is what it was – and still is – under this rancid placenta of a ‘coalition’.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/oxrLTYMpLC4
David Cameron and his supporters submission to Islam.
I have been visiting Takimag where ‘mental caviar’ is advertised. Mental caviar reminded me of a cartoon – Mr Fly was sitting at the table clutching a knife and fork and Mrs Fly was approaching wearing an apron and bearing a steaming plate of what looked like caviar although not to fly scale. Caption: ‘Not this crap again.’
Bwahaha! Not THIS crap again !!!
Cigar chompin’ John Jefferson Burns
Joany (12:57)
Sorry – was knocking out my response to your QT post when you posted your reaction to my Plebgate rant. On that score, it’s even worse than you think. I’m trying muster enough energy to expand a little more on the wider conspiracies; the jiggery-pokery behind the new Met HQ interests me, not to mention the disposal of Bramshill Police College and the implications of the new set-up that is planned. There is some deep-and-devious-dealing -dirty-work afoot, imho (and I’m thirty years out of the loop, for Chrissake)). My main point was that the weakening of the police is not something for which we should be clamouring. To reduce the police constable to the level of municipal street cleaning functionaries (or even lower) is madness. It is at that level where policing is won or lost, not in the hallowed halls of Scotland Yard in the offices of a top-heavy administration most of which has been promoted for political reasons far beyond its capability or usefulness.
The story of the sabotage of the Met police from both without and within is yet to be told. It has been responsible for so much of the damage to our cultural heritage that is now becoming clearer with every dismal day. Watch this space.
A few loose links that help to join up the dots on Common Purpose, that rather litigious organisation that doesn’t like the Press – or anyone – writing about it.
Three years after Common Purpose monitoring websites picked David Cameron’s close connections to Common Purpose, this has surfaced in the mainstream media:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10423070/Press-row-PM-faces-questions-over-link-to-charity.html
‘The Prime Minister officially declared in a newly published register of ministerial interests that he is patron of an initiative run by Common Purpose.
‘The initiative, Dishaa Venture, aims to build links between India and Britain and was launched in Bangalore by the Prime Minister in July 2010. He addresses participants in its programme each year.
‘However, Mr Cameron failed to declare the post for at least two years despite two opportunities to do so in official registers.’
Fancy! Just forgot.
Well, the other day we had the CBI bleating about the ’emotive’ immigration debate harming the ‘recovery’ (ha ha).
“Sir Michael Rake, the president of the business lobby group, attacks ‘factually incorrect’ anti-immigration stances”, said the Shariagraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10424711/CBI-emotive-immigration-debate-harming-recovery.html
The thing the Shariagraph didn’t tell you was that the CBI’s Sir Michael Rake is on the Advisory Council for Business for New Europe and the Ethnic Minority Employment Taskforce.
Oh yes. Read those organisation names again.
All three of those organisations are Common Purpose targets – leadership organisations.
Make the fish rot from the head down.
The CPers will be in among them – have no doubt.
Those of you able to read between the lines will know just what Quentin Letts means here when writing about David Cameron at the CBI conference (and Dave himself will know that audience was stuffed to the gills with Common Purposers who’ll have known just what he meant):
‘The Prime Minister was in one of his let’s-crack-on-with-it moods.
‘When in this frame of mind he smacks his hands together and bites on his upper lip before speaking nobly of public endeavour and, er, common purpose.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2487450/The-PM-spoke-public-endeavour-er-common-purpose-writes-QUENTIN-LETTS.html
They’re so litigious even the jokes about them have to be in code.
QT; the Daily Mail takes-up the case.(I go to the `best rated`section of the Comments to see how it’s going;and the `worst rated`.) SEE http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2492481/Anna-Soubry-accuses-UKIPs-Nigel-Farage-putting-fear-peoples-hearts.html
The CBI is also leading the smear on UKIP that trade with the EU will vanish with UK withdrawal.
It tried to provide the same kind of official ‘authority’ when it tried to help the politicians get the UK to adopt the euro.
‘Trade will vanish’ is a chicken licken smear we’ll all have to get used to hearing.
Andrew Alexander is not my cup of tea, but he’s on the button here:
“The ineffably silly CBI, which not so long ago wanted us in the euro, is spreading the idea that our trade is at risk.
“In fact, it is covered by other treaties.
“And I have yet to meet the German car maker or the French wine producer who doesn’t view with horror any plan to cut their sales to the lucrative UK market.
“Perhaps the CBI would care to publish a list of these unusual people?”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2488093/ANDREW-ALEXANDER-Why-EU-desperate-Britain-stay.html
Joany 15:36 – Well noted!
Joany 13:33 – Well very pointed!
Coolly written good stuff: ““The ineffably silly CBI, which not so long ago wanted us in the euro, is spreading the idea that our trade is at risk.
“In fact, it is covered by other treaties.
“And I have yet to meet the German car maker or the French wine producer who doesn’t view with horror any plan to cut their sales to the lucrative UK market.
“Perhaps the CBI would care to publish a list of these unusual people?”
Cool, rational, excellent and telling.
After over 3000 comments, the Mail is longer accepting posts on Samantha Cameron dressed in the teabag look for his visit to a mosque round the corner from their house. India has so many beautiful hues and fabrics and saris are worn with such panache, their wearers walking, or gliding, so elegantly that I think we ought to have had a chance to view Samantha Cameron walking in her ill-hung (did no one help this poor woman put it on?) garment and her hair blown all over her face.
She looks awful in everythng she wears — anyone remember her at the royal wedding without a hat) … the only woman guest without one? And the bindi only draws attention to her sloppy hair-do. God, the woman has no judgement! The patronising decision not to wear a hat for a royal wedding in Westminster cathedral was born of her fear that she would alienate the other, “little people” (kings, princes and other royalty and nobility) with her chic.
Joany
November 8th, 2013 – 12:39
That awful woman Vicky Pryce was there and not a word was said about her and her criminality, her dishonesty and so on.
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Hi, Joany, I didn’t watch the horror show, but just stayed long enough to see who would be appearing. That Pryce creature looks like a caricature of Nigel Slater, and I bet she can’t even cook. A terrible aspect!
QT: Spectator joins in,putting the boot in Farage. Comment from `Russell`[c.16-47] :1500 comments in the Telegraph…mostly…tearing Soubry apart…..same in the D.M. as well as the Spectator.
Peter from Maidstone – 09:13 ‘dead bat data’
It is ‘scientific’! While not thorough enough to fund a billion pound project, it should be enough to warrant further investigation.
Most scientific discoveries start from small beginnings, and it is the refusal to even discuss these issues that means that no negative evidence is collected and absence of proof means proof of absence!
Mine at 17-07.Item is at http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/11/is-nigel-farage-losing-his-touch/
Some more good news:
Britain is the major problem for the EU, says Gerhard Schröder
Gerhard Schröder says Britain is a problem and is standing in way of crucial EU reform
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10435297/Britain-is-the-major-problem-for-the-EU-says-Gerhard-Schroder.html
We need to get out of the way, and leave!
Isn’t it funny how the Shariagraph and Daily Mail chatboards have been lit up with messages of support for Farage and out comes The Spectatory with its own nasty propaganda fightback to misrepresent entirely what happened.
Soubry didn’t even know Royal Navy supply ships were being built in Korea. She didn’t even know the brief for her own department.
But The Spectatory writer watched a different show to the bulk of the readers.
The panel and audience rounded on Farage!
No kidding.
On a show like Question Time. Who’d have thought that?
That’s the sum of the criticism.
Oh, and that he told them at their wretched awards ceremony he knows how much they hate him.
But they do.
He has united LibLabCon in pure and utter hatred that someone should tell the truth.
Best comment on The Spectatory is one James Allen who writes:
‘What I see is a concerted effort by the right-wing press to put the boot into Farage so that their fag-masters don’t get kicked out of Downing Street. And they will fail.’
I have never seen or heard of Anna Soubry before so recording that is the first time I’ve been aware of her.
I don’t rate Wikipedia at all but it came up first in my search engine and that spiteful, conniving MP has already got quite a little record to her name for being devious, I quote Wikipedia:
Royal Mail privatisation
In October 2010, Soubry wrote in her monthly column in the Beeston Express that on returning to Parliament she met a “somewhat shell-shocked Parliamentary Assistant bearing a pile of some 300 cards from constituents urging me to oppose the proposed sell-off of the Royal Mail.”[24]
She expressed dismay at the time and cost of replying to each constituent when she had already discussed the issue with the Communication Workers Union.[24] Twelve days later she announced in Parliament that of the 700 postal workers in her constituency, to her knowledge, none had written to her opposing privatisation of Royal Mail and only two had come down to London.[25]
In November 2010, the Communication Workers Union wrote to Parliament alleging her statement was both untrue and wrongly implied there was little support for its “Keep The Post Public” campaign.[26] It wanted to get the statement formally withdrawn.[26]
Soubry agreed she was wrong, but said that some of the letters had been misfiled and others had arrived late or were sent to the wrong MP and that the Communication Workers Union had been inefficient. She claimed she genuinely believed she was telling the truth.[26] The bill protected Royal Mail, its workers and the universal postal service and that was the only reason she supported it.[26]
The union collected around 10,000 signatures for its campaign in Nottingham.[26]
Do read all the rest of the stuff about her before it disappears:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Soubry
Someone put it on leaflets in her constituency, please.
The biggest moment of truth on Question Time was when that Eastern European gentleman in the audience pointed out that most of the Polish children claimed for on benefits as back in Poland were fake.
That’s where Common Purpose-style statistic collection comes in handy.
How do you measure that?
You can’t.
Great way to close down debate.
Manipulating the official data and statistics has been the great weapon of LibLabCon in filling the UK full of immigrants.
You can hear stories like that on the ground and see them, but there’s no official indication of what’s happening.
That’s how they’ve got away with it.
That’s why spiteful Soubry shrieks howls with phoney outrage.
What a fake.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10436321/Nigel-Farage-Anna-Soubrys-immigration-rant-was-offensive-and-sneaky.html
This is a quote from a poster on the Shariagraph:
hagar
I am sure Dimbleby assumed the Polish chap in the audience who was called upon to speak was going to rant against Ukip.
The BBC then planned to switch to the Carribean poet on the panel to rub even more salt into Ukip’s wounds.
What Dimbleby didn’t expect to happen was that the Pole actually agreed with Nigel and told about the lack of integration amongst the newcomers, and how many of them were attracted to England for the generous welfare budget.
The Carribean poet was then invited by Dimmers to give a comment and he said to the Pole ‘my friend, you are exaggerating’ (how would he know?) to which the Pole replied ‘No I’m not – I live here!’
The camera quickly switched away back to the panel. Priceless. You should have seen Soubrey’s pained expression. (she manages to look both pained and puzzled at the same time).
End of quote.
Indeed, people outside Britain are just amazed looking in and shocked when they arrive to see how the system works.
Nowhere else is as weak as Britain.
That’s why they all flock there.
And as for that ‘poet’, how does he earn money? Through compulsory taxpayer funding, no doubt. Arts Council money and so on.
Poet!
Joany
You provoke me.
Dis poetry is like a riddim dat drops
De tongue fires a riddim dat shoots like shots
Dis poetry is designed fe rantin
Dance hall style, big mouth chanting,
Dis poetry nar put yu to sleep
Preaching follow me
Like yu is blind sheep,
Dis poetry is not Party Political
Not designed fe dose who are critical.
Dis poetry is wid me when I gu to me bed
It gets into me dreadlocks
It lingers around me head
Dis poetry goes wid me as I pedal me bike
IÕve tried Shakespeare, respect due dere
But did is de stuff I like.
It’s off to the Notting hill carnival for fergus I think.
Don’t forget to black up and put the wig on .
I believe that among the posters here are a number of lawyers and barristers. If I’m correct, their legal knowledge would be invaluable. Thames Water is planning to charge all its customers a sum of money to cover the debts other customers have created by not paying their water bills. To me, this stinks of collective punishment. I want to know if collective punishment is against the EU regulations (may as well take advantage of the buggers) and against United Nation standards? If so, do we have a case which can be made against Thames Water?
Re: the above – I believe Collective Punishment is against the Geneva Convention.
And still the public come in their thousands to talk about the spiteful LibLabCons:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10435860/Nigel-Farage-says-Tory-attack-on-his-prejudice-shows-they-are-terrified-of-Ukip.html#disqus_thread
This comment struck me:
Voice Over
UKIP is not going to ‘solve’ the immigration problem. It’s far too late for that; you’ve had it, I’m afraid.
(I say ‘you’ because whilst I was born in the UK I saw the writing on the wall years ago and left for sunny down-under. But of course, the same thing is happening here, with hundreds of ‘Aussies’ fighting in Syria and boatloads of economic ‘refugees’ arriving for the good life. It’s been a mini invasion. And lets not mention the nightly murders and shootings in South West Sydney by our already nicely ‘settled’ immigrants, mostly from the ME. Our problems are just beginning).
Can you see any gubermint, yours or ours, present or future, sending people back by the hundreds of thousands? Never going to happen.
So it’s over. The real chaos, that will be initiated in earnest with the second, real GFC, hasn’t even begun yet. All the brave & dedicated Mr Farage could do, were he in power, is to mitigate the coming disaster, ever-so-slightly.
And the pollies, who’ve stuck it up us for years & years, will slink into the sunset with their indexed, tax-payer funded pensions & perks.
Good, eh?
END QUOTE
It is happening everywhere, Australia, the US, Greece, across Europe.
There’s been so much hoo-ha about that QT show, we haven’t even mentioned Vicky Pryce talking about Golden Dawn.
An ex-convict wanted to smear Golden Dawn for having party leaders arrested!
The cheek.
Only unlike Ms Pryce, they are political prisoners on stitched up charges.
Nobody picked her up on that smear.
Or the fact that the smear campaign against Golden Dawn has been totally counterproductive.
As in the UK, muggins the Greek voter is finally learning how the MSM works.
Golden Dawn were narrowly first in one recent poll.
My final hope in all this is the Alexander Boot ‘it must get worse before it gets better’ school of thought.
I read on one of the Soubry threads of one parent saying their child has a good degree as do all their peers and they toil away in fast food restaurants watching their student debt get ever-bigger and more unpayable.
It is so, so, so sad.
But it must get worse.
Everyone – not those here – but those who have yet to learn, must understand why this globalist, banker-controlled, immigration model must be rejected.
It starts at the ballot box.
Rigged, I know, with Acorn ‘community organisers’ and fraudulent postal votes and welfare bribed voting clientele.
But that’s the only place to start.
And finally, the answer lies in Henry VIII’s answer to Rome, Israel’s answer to the Middle East and Bitcoin’s answer to the banks.
To use a Tony Blairism: secession, secession, secession.
The Bilderbergers know this and that is why the EU was set up like a whirlpool, to be inescapable, but I believe it can be done.
I think the worse it gets, the more likely it is.
People in the US, in Europe and elsewhere will have to set up organisations and lobby groups in the manner of Muslims and demand to have their patch, where they can live – ‘thank you very much’.
That’s why LibLabCon are terrified of Scottish independence.
Englishness will no longer be a dirty word.
I hope the Welsh join in.
Scottish secession will, they think, put ideas in people’s heads.
Oh, I do hope so.
The military in the US and Europe are trained for this, but will the troops turn on their own people? They are just as frustrated as the rest.
So be not a’feared as it gets worse.
People must learn and we all wish it were not the hard way.
There will be a straw that breaks the camel’s back moment and once one patch of land is out of the EU, we can only hope that everybody else piles out.
The answers stare at us from the pages of history.
Of course people can be sent home, and will. In the wars we were perfectly happy to detain foreign nationals, even friendly ones, who might pose a threat to our national security. How much more this is necessary. All those who say it is impossible have simply abandoned the will to resist. Nothing is impossible. But if it is not done now then it will be done later and with much greater difficulty.
Are we saying, for instance, that someone who has just got off the boat has suddenly acquired inalienable rights to remain here as long as they want? I don’t think so, and I don’t think a large majority of the British (the really British) population thinks so. Difficult cases are just that. But there are many millions of very easy cases.
From what I can gather, the only votes for LibLabCon come from direct or indirect vested interests: welfare recipients, business associates, relatives, people on megawages at the town hall – in other words, people who don’t want their gravy train to end.
I spoke to someone a while ago about why Eric Pickles, who promised so much, had failed to dismantle the tentacles of local government.
She explained that although Pickles knows full well about the workings of Common Purpose et al in local government and the corruption therein, the Tories can never dismantle local government for this sad reason – local councillor salaries are the only indirect bribe they now have to keep people at the coal face.
Look at the Tory membership numbers.
Without the bauble of a salary for being a councillor there’s even less motive to join a dwindling band of failure and treachery in the shape of the Tory party.
British local government is a zombie institution – a total failure and betrayal kept alive by sucking the wage blood of taxpayers.
Joany – 17:27 & 18:58
I don’t think it is a question Left or Right, as I think you may already know. There is the Left, as in Far Left, which has driven much of what is wrong, but the Right are so similar it makes no difference. The Right believe they have better table manners. That is all!
That is why UKIP are neither Left or Right. Left or Right have become illusions. What is the difference between Milliband and CMD? Nothing, apart from the colour of their ties.
Both political wings are living in a fantasy world where they inhabit their own micro-climate, believing that it is sustainable and reflects the reality of the wider world. But it does not!
People need familiarity, the poor even more so than the wealthy.
People need reassurance, the wealthy even more so than the poor, so they can take risks, be creative and generous!
People need ritual that does not bind them to bad habits, including expensive lifestyles.
Each individual needs to understand that one of the gifts of developing ones own intelligence is that they can obtain a better quality of life and more contentment with less resources.
Consuming more and more resources becomes less satisfying the more it has to be done to satisfy the craving, while outsourcing thinking to someone else never works in the end!
The awareness of our need to survive is the basis of all great civilisations, and until that consensus returns, it will get worse. It was obvious on last night’s QT that we have some way to go, in the BBC at least, but I think it might have entered a new phase where viewers are realising that the BBC has ceased to be a conduit for education and information and is now an effective instrument of propaganda.
Ironic, as that will bring its own down fall.
Indeed, RobertC, the old straw man lie of: ‘Look at them – you’re not with them, are you? If you don’t vote for us, you’ll get them’, which has won elections over the past century is no longer working and, as you say, neither should it.
Left and Right are only usable as a clumsy shorthand, but to think in those binary terms is not helpful.
I was intrigued recently by Owen Jones and Russell Brand, both of whom said they wished there was a Left-wing version of UKIP.
The latter did so to much more publicity than the former.
And this is where the terms Left and Right become so useless.
What Owen Jones and Russell Brand – and the many who think like them – want, already exists. Broadly speaking.
It’s called the BNP – minus one thing.
There is but one thing Jones, Brand et al cannot brook, cannot have, cannot deal with: mass immigration and the EU – which are in effect one and the same thing.
Peter Hitchens rightly points out that some of what Owen Jones wants is wildly popular.
Jones wants re-nationalisation of key industries (and on things like water and gas I agree with him).
The Left, to use that unhelpful term, exists in so many shapes: Labour, Lib Dem, Tory, Green, but what’s the one thing none of them will deal with – that banishes politicians forever from MSM approval?
Mass immigration and the EU.
If the ‘Left’ could bring itself ever to allow that one thing to be allowed into thought – how would it be so very different from so many of the mainstream and smaller parties?
I think that’s why there is no ‘Left-wing version of UKIP’.
It seems to me that everything Owen Jones and Russell Brand want is on offer somewhere on the political menu, but they will not allow Labour voters who feel betrayed, or for that matter Tory voters who feel betrayed to oppose mass immigration and the EU.
So they instead attack UKIP (and they certainly wouldn’t like the BNP) – but so much of what they want is on offer on the ‘allowed’ thought menu.
This UKIP alliance of ex-Tory, ex-Labour and ex-other party UKIP voters they will not have.
And there is one reason they will not have it and will smear and smear and smear it.
Ex-Labour, ex-Tory, ex-whatever else.
The voters have had enough.
I see it’s Remembrance Sunday in the UK.
The only thing I think of now when I see a poppy is Boris Johnson.
Of all the low-down, nasty things that man has done it’s the detail attched to this misdeed that makes it always stick out in my mind: he claimed expenses for a poppy wreath.
I think it was only £16 – which would have gone to help former troops.
Sometimes one little story encapsualates a multitude of wickedness and in that man, that story sums it up for me.
A gorging, selfish, greedy traitor who hates the UK – that’s Boris Johnson.
Oh, and I hope the troops who the government always hope to fall back on if the UK ever wants to break up remember this Sunday their colleague facing a life sentence for shooting a member of the Taliban on the battlefield – they hate you in the forces too, you know.
Memo to all those buglers (that’s not a typo, Frank!) who on Sunday will be playing the “Last Post”:
The musical direction for the final ‘E’ is ‘Morendo’.
You do NOT give it a minim and then stop. You do NOT give it a breve and then stop. You keep the note going, slowly fading, until your lungs are burning and you’re dying to draw another breath so that, when you finally fall silent, you’ve given it every breath you have.
There’s a symbolism in there…I wonder if you can guess what it is. Here’s a clue that should make it clear: try translating ‘morendo’ (it’s Italian.)
Now, none of your farty, strangled little toots! Got it?
Joany November 8th, 2013 – 23:25
“A gorging, selfish, greedy traitor who hates the UK – that’s Boris Johnson.”
Balderdash.
How else does one describe the man at the forefront of the campaign to get Turkey into the EU?
http://stopturkey.blogspot.com/2010/08/boris-turk.html
And tell me how this is ‘balderdash’:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1190512/Boris-Johnson-claimed-16-50-Remembrance-Day-poppy-wreath.html
I call not paying for a poppy wreath and passing the expense on to the taxpayer gorging, selfish greed.
It’s not as if he didn’t have the money himself.
And do you think this isn’t gorging, selfish greed:
He also claimed £85,299 on his second home allowance for his constituency house in Henley between 2004 and 2008.
As an MP, he was also paid mortgage and council tax costs of nearly £100,000 for his designated second home in his former constituency of Henley in Oxfordshire.
I didn’t say not paying for a poppy wreath was the only thing that gorging, selfish, greedy traitor has done.
I said it encapsulated his character.
Ostrich (occasionally) – 23.53
How I appreciate your musical and emotional sensibilities.
But if I even think of Remembrance Sunday I am simply and equally wracked by the humbling courage, resolve and intuitive duty shown by millions of Englishmen (that includes the women) on the one hand, and on the other by their glorious memory being sullied by the scum which is our Governments past and present somehow thinking they represent me on Whitehall this coming Sunday.
Well, for this once in my life I say Not In My Name.
Perhaps in his commentary David Dhimmibleby, so fond trotting out whatever facts and figures he’s found that morning in the Ladybird Book of the Second World War, could tell us if it is known precisely how many bullets left Samuel Milliband’s revolver in the Katyn Forest, or perhaps he could tell us if it really is true that the Polish Government expressly told the Foreign Office that, when the office of Foreign Secretary was held by David Milliband, that for the only time since the war the British Foreign Secretary should not attend the memorial to the victims of the Katyn Massacre. Blair started a trend for the self-gratifying apology, I wonder if Red Ed will take up the baton and get round to making a real atonement for his family and a real premeditated evil.
And a propos of all the immigration chat on the interlubes (what a casually deft confectioner Frank P is), I wrote here not that long ago observing how quickly it suddenly became acceptable to talk about immigration and wondered how long it would be before the word repatriation would be bandied around in similar fashion. Well, that didn’t take long. And there are scattered around the usual places prescient people talking of the likelihood of the Elections in 2014 and 2015 being stopped on some pretext or other. I really wouldn’t put it past them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2493591/We-wont-condemn-killer-Marine-Ex-Commando-chiefs-vow-soldier-WW2-convicted-murder-battle.html?login#readerCommentsCommand-message-field
See my comment after the DM article (if they deign to print it).
Let’s not take a chance – here it is:
And drones? Who gets tried for setting the coordinates and maybe imposing collateral damage? Geneva convention? Did the Taliban sign it? Don’t judge an Eskimo until you’ve walked 200 miles in snow shoes. Bring back the D notice and re-issue cojones to the Generals who are ‘fighting’ this war. There are some things that the public do not need to know. The only atrocity was putting the Marines on trial. Support our troops or bring them home. War is hell but our governing class are traitors, not to mention irretrievably stupid.
Irishboy
“David Dhimmibleby”.
Heh, heh, heh. Lampoon sobriquet of the year award for that one!
I see he’s been given yet another boondoggle series at the BBC licence fee payers’ expense. Is there no end to the nepotism and bunce-
bunging of the BBC elite? Even after the hoo-hah of recent months? Greedy bastard. Agitprop pension fund no doubt, for distinguished service to the cause?
Joany November 9th, 2013 – 00:26
“And tell me how this is ‘balderdash’:”
You can find and show here umpteen examples for your obvious dislike of Boris Johnson and none of these would I call ‘balderdash.
It was your rather silly assertion; probably fired by your quite obvious loathing of the man that he is a “traitor who hates the UK”.
He is not a traitor; to accuse him of perfidious treachery is just silly, nor in my opinion does he hate the UK, rather the reverse, he shows a great love for and understanding of our country.
But please, feel free and find fault to your heart’s content, without resorting to pure unadulterated piffling balderdash.
So Boris Johnson leading the charge for Turkey to join the EU and allow Muslim immigration into the UK to rise exponentially is not an act of treachery.
Helping the Muslim population to overtake the UK shows a politician who loves the UK and understanding of it.
Not forgetting the love and understanding of pretending he gives a damn about war veterans and those who made real sacrifices for the UK by claiming for poppies on expenses.
Joany November 9th, 2013 – 09:06
“So Boris Johnson leading the charge for Turkey to join the EU and allow Muslim immigration into the UK to rise exponentially is not an act of treachery.”
No, he simply has an opinion that is directly diametrically the opposite of the opinions that you and I hold.
But a lying traitorous insurrectionist he most certainly is not.
I’m sorry but I’ve listened to the tape of the recording of that marine and that is what happens in war.
It is not a sadistic act from what I could hear. When you have an enemy as unrelenting and evil as a jihadist, you just have to put them down.
The jihadist was put out of his misery.
The SAS did similar when they stormed the Iranian embassy in London.
All the terrorists inside the building were shot. One of them was captured outside and only the fact that it was outside stopped him from being shot.
Instead the public had to waste time putting him on trial and going to prison.
This is war. This is what happens in war.
The politicians who ordered all this walk away to jobs in banks and multi-nationals, the BAE executives sell arms to arabs but never get put on trial – despite the Americans asking for it – and yet this marine has been convicted of murder on a battlefield.
The forces do need to ask themselves who they work for – because it stopped being the British public a long time ago.
Sorry, David, I don’t think there’s anything of the buffoon in Boris.
I think he knows full well what bringing Turkey into the EU means for the UK.
Am I alone in feeling decidedly uneasy that a Sergeant of Marines has been tried for and found guilty of murder?
The pain, suffering and pressure that the armed forces take day after day on our behalf, having to deal with an enemy that is cruel beyond our imagination, should in my opinion allow them a certain licence.
IRISHBOY 9th, – 01:13
“precisely how many bullets left Samuel Milliband’s revolver in the Katyn Forest, or perhaps he could tell us if it really is true that the Polish Government expressly told the Foreign Office that, when the office of Foreign Secretary was held by David Milliband, that for the only time since the war the British Foreign Secretary should not attend the memorial to the victims of the Katyn Massacre.”
Wow! Obviously I’ve missed something; I didn’t realise any of that was an ishoo at the time.
Won’t be relying on any politicoes doing any remembering in my name…although in 1945-46 all of our family members involved came back more or less in one bit, on Sunday we’ll be remembering their colleagues who didn’t at our own war memorial.
No David Ossitt you are not alone, as you would see if you took the trouble to read the earlier comments before asking redundant rhetorical questions.
… and the way, I agree with Joany: Bozzer is an overweening ambitious kunt of the highest order and has already connived to turn London into Londonistan — the capitol of Dhimmtude. There is little point in our troops putting their arses on the line for Queen & Country in fetid foreign fields if the political wankers back in Blighty are ceding control of the homeland to an Islamified Yurrop from a glass phallic symbol in the Shitty of London!
Frank P November 9th, 2013 – 11:02
“No David Ossitt you are not alone, as you would see if you took the trouble to read the earlier comments before asking redundant rhetorical questions.”
Hello Frank “Joany November 9th, 2013 – 09:41” had not opened on my screen until I posted my by then totally redundant post at 09:47.
It would be very nice if we could remove recent posts when silly overlaps occur.
Frank P November 9th, 2013 – 11:21
“… and the way, I agree with Joany: Bozzer is an overweening ambitious kunt of the highest order and has already connived to turn London into Londonistan”
I would agree that Boris has some very odd opinions and I agree with most of what Joany has written about him but he is not responsible for the massive Muslim colonization of our Capital, I am not sure how when and why this has been allowed to happen.
Nor is he in my opinion a “traitor who hates the UK”.
Joany 9th, – 09:41
“The SAS did similar when they stormed the Iranian embassy in London.”
AND in Gibraltar, although since it was later ascertained that their targets were ‘unarmed’ the lefties have taken license to drivel on about it ad nauseam.
Frank P 9th, – 02:50
“See my comment after the DM article (if they deign to print it).”
Under said DM article: “The comments below have been moderated in advance.”
Free speech from a free press.
David Ossitt
November 9th, 2013 – 09:47
Am I alone in feeling decidedly uneasy that a Sergeant of Marines has been tried for and found guilty of murder?
No, David, you are far from alone. How ‘wonderful’ the establishment is here. I have always said the judicial bodies are either, criminal, insane, or criminally insane. The worse the criminal the greater the compassion shown. Baby Peter’s mother and her live-in lover are now out of gaol, as are countless sadistic murderers. Politicians who cheat on us if they get custodial sentences, always receive an easy billet and get out early. The Marine in question is disadvantaged as being a white, decent male. How can he expect justice from the marxist filth which run this country? One final question – did the Taliban sign and honour the Geneva Convention??
The Daily Mail is one of the most heavily censored of all the websites when it comes to comments.
It does not want the writer in question undermined in a serious way.
They don’t mind blunt, non-four letter word abuse but anything that seriously exposes the columnists is not allowed.
I wonder if that’s why the Light Minds part of it has gone.
The problem the Mail has is that it’s so trashy on the one hand and then wanted to have a Light Minds page as a comment hub and it didn’t work.
So much of the commentary is superficial and about trivial poltical subjects.
Other places do everything else and in more depth.
And what a moribund paper it is without Melanie Phillips.
Her failure to be hired by another paper convinces me that the Establishment do not want anybody who sits outside them taking the side of the people.
She carries a huge readership – and they know it.
I noticed the other week when London hosted the first ever World Islamic Financial Forum to be held outside the Islamic world – although as Frank P says, London is already part of the Islamic world in all but official title – that there was barely any commentary in the MSM, apart from the odd propaganda article.
The financiers in the City of London – the people who really run Britain (if you feed them enough when you’re a politician, there’s a cushy job on the board for you afterwards) – would not like to see pieces like this in the MSM:
https://www.embooks.com/blog/single/the-trojan-horse-of-british-secularism
It’s yet another huge shift in the UK towards Islam.
This is the kind of xxxp the City came out with (courtesy of Shariagraph favourite Allister Heath):
LET’S EMBRACE ISLAMIC FINANCE
BACK in 1733, Voltaire, a wonderful French thinker, penned a series of letters about England, describing the remarkable going-ons he discovered during his exile to this country.
The findings shocked many of his French readers, then as today a statist and anti-capitalist nation.
“Go into the London Stock Exchange – a more respectable place than many a court – and you will see representatives from all nations gathered together for the utility of men”, Voltaire wrote.
“Here Jew, Mohammedan and Christian deal with each other as though they were all of the same faith, and only apply the word infidel to people who go bankrupt. Here the Presbyterian trusts the Anabaptist and the Anglican accepts a promise from the Quaker. On leaving…some go to the Synagogue and others for a drink, this one goes to be baptised in a great bath in the name of Father, Son and Holy Ghost …and everybody is happy.”
In that spirit, it makes a lot of sense for London’s financial services industry to seek to grab a bigger chunk of the Islamic finance market – and culturally, it is merely the latest embodiment of our internationalist reality so beautifully identified by Voltaire.
The Treasury’s first sukuk bond, when it comes, will be a milestone and will help attract business to the City.
One of this country’s greatest attributes is its openness to foreign capital. Britain is already benefiting hugely from Islamic investments, with projects such as the Shard, the Excel Centre (where the World Islamic Economic Forum is being held, see our daily special on pages 20-21), the former athletes’ village in Stratford, Boris Johnson’s Emirates Air Line cable car, the Malaysian investment in the regeneration of the Battersea Power Station and most importantly of all Dubai’s £1.5bn construction of the DP World London Gateway super-port. London is ideally placed to cash in on the growth of Islamic finance; and trade and investment are always the best way to cement peace and friendship.
http://www.cityam.com/article/1383098945/forget-high-speed-rail-driverless-cars-will-revolutionise-transport#sthash.X7RLkOyM.dpuf
What the vile Allister Heath fails to mention is that this is before mass immigration, before Islam had its hands wrapped around the windpipe of the British legal system and – most importantly of all – before the concept of Islamic economics was even invented.
Here is the piece of history Allister Heath so assiduously avoided telling his readers about:
‘Islamic economics does not go back to Muhammad but is an “invented tradition” that emerged in the 1940s in India. The notion of an economics discipline “that is distinctly and self-consciously Islamic is very new.” Even the most learned Muslims a century ago would have been dumbfounded by the term “Islamic economics.”
‘The idea was primarily the brainchild of an Islamist intellectual, Abul-Ala Mawdudi (1903-79), for whom Islamic economics served as a mechanism to achieve many goals: to minimize relations with non-Muslims, strengthen the collective sense of Muslim identity, extend Islam into a new area of human activity, and modernize without Westernizing.’
http://www.danielpipes.org/4973/islamic-economics-what-does-it-mean
So it’s not true at all when Allister Heath writes that “trade and investment are always the best way to cement peace and friendship” – and given sharia finance’s proven track record of financing Islamic terrorism, it can be quite the opposite.
http://www.shariahfinancewatch.org/blog/2013/10/11/why-do-islamic-charities-send-zakat-to-terrorists-because-shariah-says-they-must/
Anne Wotana Kaye 1
November 8th, 2013 – 21:13
No comments? Was it really a stupid suggestion?
Does this help AWK1?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2492187/Huge-8-rise-Thames-Water-bills-blocked-watchdog-hike-justified-energy-prices-soar.html
I sense absolute panic from the Tories about utility bills now because Red Ed is ahead in the polls and his policies on cheaper energy in effect give many poor people no choice but to vote for him.
There was about two weeks of propaganda saying Red Ed’s energy policy is socialist.
The public don’t care if it is or if it isn’t socialism.
They have clean run out of money and they know much of this utility lark is cartels and price fixing.
In my view, the water should be nationalised again.
I think we’ll see a lot more of the government getting the watchdogs to curb these utility price increases but it’s all too late.
Shouldn’t have backed the green taxes and shouldn’t have privatised in the first place.
@Joany 9th, – 15:33
“his policies on cheaper energy in effect give many poor people no choice but to vote for him.”
Sorry, but ‘Bollocks’. Because whatever the lying little toad says, once the simple mathematical facts (like 2 + 2 = 4) are made clear to him he will find that nothing he can do will have a significant effect on the prices.
@AWK1 9th – 14:51
“did the Taliban sign and honour the Geneva Convention??”
No, but you know what the lefty whingers’ll say to that…all together now, “Two wrongs don’t make a right.”
Joany @ 15:33
Only today’s unwashed would be keen to vote for a party that fixes prices, supports minimum wages, talks about fixing max wages, Joany. And no, it ain’t propaganda, it’s a genuine socialist tool to control both the cost of inputs and that of outputs of the economic machine. The anointed are doing the fixes. Shall Baron tell you what it leads to?
Look, capitalism could be fugging awful, often unfair, certainly far from the shibboleth of equality for all, but until we come up with something that’s better we should not interfere with the key components of it. It was after all capitalism that got us where we are today.
Joany @ 15:10
So what’s the colour of money then?
In Baron’s humble view, this (sukuk bond and stuff) is a shrewd move that should bear fruits for all of us.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 November 9th, 2013 – 14:51
“One final question – did the Taliban sign and honour the Geneva Convention??”
They have never signed it nor would they honour it even if they had.
I did hear on the radio news today that the marine’s Commanding Officer has asked that he be shown clemency when it comes to his sentencing.
Sadly I do not hold out much hope.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 November 9th, 2013 – 15:16
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 November 8th, 2013 – 21:13
“No comments? Was it really a stupid suggestion?”
No of course it was not, nothing that you write is ever anything less than well thought out, apart from the occasional typo and we all have them.
Baron November 9th, 2013 – 15:53
“In Baron’s humble view, this (sukuk bond and stuff) is a shrewd move that should bear fruits for all of us.”
I totally agree, a clever move.
As to Ed The red’s promise to fix the prices of the power companies, naïve socialist student politics at it’s worst.
It’s too late to talk of ‘clemency’. A soldier has been dragged through a court for doing what we sent him to do and paid him to do: kill the enemy! If he’s guilty, then we are all guilty – and as I don’t feel in the least guilty that someone on fetid foreign field of battle should, on my behalf kill someone whose whole life was devoted to killing infidels (that’s you and me in case you’ve forgotten folks) I want him to be freed. Good job Sergeant whatever-your-name-is. Somebody get him out of the brig and dock him two days pay for a moment of stupidity: that is, for recording something that was bound to be used by the MSM as a snuff movie to titilate the prurient if it fell into wrong hands. That was his only misdemeanour, imho. Get him home to his family for Christmas, please. We owe that to him and them. Our bastard sanctimonious CJ system has displayed yet another example of inflexibility and lack of common sense. Wankers!
David Ossitt
November 9th, 2013 – 16:16
Thanks, David, I do try, but I know that thought in brain to word on page, can come out quite differently to what one wanted to say.David Ossitt
November 9th, 2013 – 16:07
I share your doubts.
Ostrich (occasionally)
November 9th, 2013 – 15:46
And then they will say, Better is expected from us than those poor uneducated souls!
Joany
November 9th, 2013 – 15:33
Thanks for the link.
Of course water should be nationalised. If the powers that control us could, they would privatise fresh air, sunshine, rain, everything!
AWK : Thames Water is already part nationalised. The nations being China (9%),and Abu Dhabi (10%).
Frank P @ 16:36
Baron thinks he knows where you’re coming from, but have you considered where you’re heading?
The barbarian wasn’t either in Afghanistan when it happened, or in the court afterwards, but the verdict seems right, the guy killed a defenceless human being. The human being may have been the nastiest piece of shit in the world, but he was a human being nevertheless. Barbarian he may be, Baron that is, but even barbarians have a code of ethics, and last time Baron looked it didn’t include shooting a man who’s injured dead. In a fight yes, after it no. Baron has been and will always be against extrajudicial killings. It ain’t kosher whatever the circumstances.
The test of whether the political elite genuinely stands behind the armed forces will come when the sentence is passed. Here, the judge should consider, openly or within the well rehearsed judicial double talk, all the circumstances of the murder, pass a sentence that reflects more than just the act of the murder itself. The sentence should be suspended, the soldier offered counselling.
Radford NG @ 18:03
If you were to argue that key utilities ought to be owned by those who use them Baron would back you. The Americans refused to sell some of their assets to foreign money, we may consider doing the same, perhaps by directing pension money to be invested in water, energy generation and distribution or whatever we regard as an essential national asset. Pension funds already operate under such regulatory system, by law they cannot invest in certain classes of assets.
The problem is that you may find our funds have invested in utilities of other countries.
I think people misunderstand the need to privatise. This is BT, British Gas, the railways, water and the royal mail.
That is these industries needed vast sums to invest for their future, sums the government could not fund. Remember the government used to worry about the PSBR, now its called public debt.
but that borrowing is now off the governments books, even though some if it is guaranteed by the government through PFI, or the stange company that is Network Rail.
If all that investment had had to compete with health, education, welfare and defence, I dont think the privatised industries would have been fit for use in 2013.
but the regulators are useless, having gone native. And I dont understand why customers should pay for investment. Surely the companies should raise the money through borrowing, debentuires or a rights issue?
Baron
November 9th, 2013 – 18:29
Frank P @ 16:36
Barbarian he may be, Baron that is, but even barbarians have a code of ethics,
===========================
I know what their bloody ethics are. Cutting off genitals and stuffing them in the victim’s mouth. Raping and killing men, women and babies. Unfortunately that’s all part of their ethos.
Radford NG
November 9th, 2013 – 18:03
Truly sick making!
Baron, what do you think of the tape?
It seems to me that the man is almost dead. ‘Anybody want to give first aid?’ says someone. No, comes the answer.
There is no taunting of this jihadist after that. What do you do? Let him bleed to death or put him out of his misery? And what of your unit’s safety? How long do you have there?
From the tape it seems that the soldier goes out his way not to let the jihadist know this is it. That would be cruel.
Instead, there is a shot and we know he is dispatched. There was no glorifying the deed before or after.
I note how quick Cameron was off the mark to praise the marines.
He’s finally losing the Tory equivalent of the Northern Labour vote: the Shires and the military.
For too long the Shires have thought, ‘It won’t happen here, it will stay in the cities’, but it has happened there. Schools and hospitals overwhelmed.
Peter Hitchens picked up on a rather telling detail, as he is wont to do, the other week when he noted the Tory conference was heckeld by some old servicemen. That tells you people are finally twigging. They don’t normally heckle the Tory conference. When did that last happen?
And this marine’s conviction, in my view, can only accelerate that. Which is why Cameron is out on damage limitation.
The Tories will neither fund the military, nor protect the servicemen and women from the human rights lawyers if they go into battle.
What do you do on a battlefield when you have to have eyes in the back of your head and an enemy fighter seriously wounded in front of you?
Look after their needs? Let’s not keep our eyes peeled? A decision had to be made there and then. Let him bleed to death? Let him possibly revive later when he could become a danger again?
I think I’m right in saying the jihadist does not say anything on the tape. He is not conversing or pleading.
At that stage, for the safety of his own unit and the decency of putting the jihadist out of his misery, it seems to me that the marine did the right thing.
Baron, I fear that you are too sentimental about the jihadists.
And the same goes to your question about what the colour of money is.
If it fund Islamic terror – and all the need jihadists need the funding they get from the zakat raised on shariah finance – it’s red.
Red, red, red rivers of blood.
Rivers of blood in Woolwich, rivers of blood in New York, rivers of blood in Tavistock Square, rivers of blood at King’s Cross, Liverpool Street and Aldgate East.
Rivers of blood in Mumbai, rivers of blood in Beslan.
These are the ‘fruits’ of Islamic-funded terror using the zakat raised on sharia finance.
It comes down to this, Baron. Either we are at war, or we are not. If we are at war than the armed services’ mission is to kill the enemy if they won’t surrender. As for the niceties of how, I bow to the judgment of those in harm’s way. With western politicians ceding concessions to Islamic jihad by the hour in their marble palaces, over cordon bleu nosh, I’d forgive the squaddies if the shot every ‘diplomat’ involved. Our armed services are being shafted, after years in shit-holes, up to their waists in shit and bullets. War is what takes place after lawyers have reached an impasse.
Parasites all – and none fit to judge Marine after combat. Grrrr!
AWK
I concur with your take on the code of ethics of the jihadists.
Wasting medical resources on the animals is unjustified. Hearts and minds, my arse! As Patten (?) quipped, “Grab ,em by the balls and their hearts and minds ‘ll follow.”
Oops! Apologies to Gen. Patton: he was definitely not related to Fat Pang.
Oh! And not just a ‘I love you really, marines’ from Camerdung, but a photo call too.
What a dirtbag. What a spivvy, PR dirtbag.
He’s so low.
I have a feeling the judges will try not to release the name of the convict, not because ‘they fear for the family’ as it’s being spun, but because they fear for him dying in a British prison at the hands of a Muslim inmate.
Britain’s prisons are stuffed with Muslims and they regularly assault non-Muslim prisoners.
Assault in prison is a way of life, but the Muslims prisoners can act in packs, like wolves, and be assured of omerta from fellow predators afterwards.
That soldier will be dog meat if he goes to a Category A maximum security jail, which is what that offence usually leads to.
This isn’t the end of this case, by any means.
I really hope it does give everybody in the forces a good wake-up call.
This is what the politicians mean when they send you off to war: XXXX you.
Frank, Joany and AWK:
You wrong if you think Baron favors sparing any of the jihadist thugs. The more we hit them the better. It’s just that when we get them by the balls it feels bad to kill them off in cold blood.
When Hitler attacked the USSR, the first few months went better than anyone expected. In part, because the Red Army was unprepared, ill-eqipped, in part because some of the Red Army units surrendered without a fight. Many of the men had had enough of Stalin’s tyranny, they thought the Germans would treat them better, and the Wehrmacht did. German medics attended to injured soldiers, those captured were treated mostly humanely. That comes from first hand evidence, Baron’s farther was an engine driver taking stuff to the front.
It was the follow up that screwed it up for the invading army. It was the thugs from Gestapo and SS, moving in behind the Wehrmacht, who behaved abdominally, killing not only injured Red Army soldiers, civilians, too, and that included children. Baron’s farther told of one occasion when an SS unit took a group of very young children, let them lose in a field, then trained sharp shooting on them. A Wehrmacht officer intervened, was sent packing on Baron’s farther’s train back west.
Baron tells you the story to show that even though the Nazis were thugs, the regulars in the Army did observe some code of ethics. It did degenerate towards the end though, turning into a senseless slaughter on both sides.
Back to the case, if the guy were to stage a short mock trial, appointing one of the team as a council for the jihadist, another for the prosecution, read quickly the charge, ask for any witnesses in favour of the thug, then pronounced a death sentence, carried it out, Baron would be more inclined to regard the verdict of the court differently.
Still, it’s the sentence that matters. If it’s harsh Baron reckons the morale in the troops will sink, recruitment will suffer further.
Frank P 20.51
I agree with every word and sentiment. Either we are at war or not.
Of course we are ‘not’. Except that no one has told the poor barstewrds in Helmand that.
They are governed by ‘rules of engagement’ which do not permit them to open fire without first being shot at, they are not permitted to take the initiative in actions.
They conduct (increasingly fewer) patrols over marked and targeted ground. Have you noticed how few casualities are reported these days? That’s because the army has given up and retreated behind their fortress walls prior to the forthcoming disaster of withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Unsurprisingly army morale is at rock bottom. Who wants to join an outfit run by the shambles calling itself the coalition government and its serially incompetent Ministry of Defeat?
Who wants to get injured or killed before we retreat, humiliated, from yet another politically contrived defeat to islamic peasants and illiterates?
Ww will, of course, have failed in our primary mission, which was to spread Wee Willie Hague’s primary foreign policy of buggery to transgender rights to an area which, like England’s public schools, has always practiised assiduously what it proscribes on religious grounds.
In the case of soldier A one can only pity the poor devil. He is an example pour encorager les autres.
‘Les autres’ in this case being the several million muslims living in the UK who might feel aggrieved at the death of a fellow ‘muslim’ at the hands of an infidel and whom might decide to knife an MP or twenty in their surgeries, riot blow up a train or to or generally display their true loyalties-which as sure as Hell exists, if not Heaven-are not to the UK, Parliamentary Sovereignty, David Cameron’s Conservative party or Milliiband’s neauvou Marxist state.
The poor bloody infantry are caught in the middle of this of course, uncomprehending victims of a ‘peacekeeping’ role over a savage people who have never been interested in peace and the treacherous jackels in Whitehall.
Comrades of Soldier A will be asking who recorded the incident, why he then gave the information to the authorities, why they then went through the chain of command to determine whether to try him.
The result will be a disaster for soldiers in the front line and the remainig rump of the armed forces. Trust, in fellow soldiers, officers and authority has been destroyed by the political commissars of the Army Legal Service. However the conscience of the metro-elite will have been assuaged by the sacrifice of Soldier A. For them it is partial revenge for being denied the right to bomb Syria and reasserts their belief in the doctrine of ‘responsibility to protect’.
Joany @ 21:21
If the soldier is sent down (the court has asked for a medical report) it’s more likely the wardens will look after him. Also, many people feel bad about the affair, it wouldn’t surprise if those around the guy were not amongst them, at least some.
And you very right on the wake up call. How could anyone join the services run by lawyers under the umbrella of uman rites beggars belief.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 19:34
Whether those fighting the jihadist war are beyond pale ain’t the question, AWK. The question is whether we want to emulate the medieval thugs. Not that it matter anyway, but Baron doesn’t.
Have to say I’ve had a pleasant evening watching Dad’s Army and a good documentary on Status Quo. Always good to have a break from unremitting bad news.
Peter, it’s so important to have downtime.
I have days when I try not to read or hear news at all and then days when I get stuck in.
It’s interesting that you watched some shows that are essentially nostalgic.
Most of what I read, watch and listen to is from the past. It’s not just that I want to remember the civility and intelligence from a bygone era in the Anglosphere, but also that none of it was dreamt up through a politically correct prism – which all dramas and comedies are these days.
I always pick up on the politically correct subtexts woven into everything like a cultural tapeworm and have to hit the off button.
I don’t watch Downton Abbey over here (although it is available) but I noticed the producers had to have a multi-culti love story in it this season. Of course!
‘Why do people like Downton Abbey?’ thought the ITV Common Purposers. ‘Yes, well, let’s stop that and get it multi-cultied.’ Like everything else.
I know exactly what made people watch that show and it was that they could avoid all that.
People do like to be reminded of an age when – even with gaping class divides – we were a people. A demos.
We’ll never see that again, but the hankering for it is unmistakable.
Unmistakable.
Baron
November 9th, 2013 – 21:58
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 19:34
Whether those fighting the jihadist war are beyond pale ain’t the question, AWK. The question is whether we want to emulate the medieval thugs. Not that it matter anyway, but Baron doesn’t.
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I knew it would come to this! See my posting of 16:37. Differently worded, but the same platitudes.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 00:16
Ann, it isn’t a platitude any more than saying we’re civilised peoples.
Baron (21:44)
“It’s just that when we get them by the balls it feels bad to kill them off in cold blood.”
Your blood may be cold, and you may ‘feel bad’ about someone doing very necessary dirty work on your behalf; but mine is still boiling and I’m grateful to the Marine for dispatching another nut-job on the battlefield before he could make any more army widows; the chronicle of evil involved in the ‘rivers of blood’ listed in Joany’s post of 19: 35 cites just some of the events that have brought my curdled claret to 100°C. I could spend the rest of the night delineating the sins of omission and commission on the part of the Mohammedan murderers AND the short-sighted idiots who have been voted into power in this country: those who are falling over themselves to appease the cultist barbarians even at the expense of throwing our own fighters under a bus to prove ‘how ethical’ are our lawyers. That’s a sick joke that even my twisted s.o.h. cags on. As for Cameron’s bullshit today about supporting the Marines; trying to capitalise on both sides of this issue – that really turned up the heat under my aorta. Feckin’ jumped-up, never-come-down, slimy, cowardly, treacherous hypocrite! Deliver the squaddie to his family, he needs a break!
Peter/Joany
I suffer from excruciating politicalgia myself; but this is no time to wallow in nostalgia, too; keep up the pressure, the fuckers are selling us out and the keyboard is the only weapon that can wield – pro tem.
Baron
This ‘civilisation’ that you claim was acquired by some pretty ruthless and hard nosed military heroes, many of whom died in the process, and they didn’t achieve it by worrying too much about a set of gentlemanly rules hammered out in the land of watchmakers and cheese with holes in it; the repository of dirty money. If you are fighting a war with people who are civilised, they may be useful tenets as a quid pro quo. But we aren’t this time. The enemy is devious, duplicitous, dirty and insanely deluded. Moreover it has several hundred years of humiliation to avenge. Queensberry Rules do not apply in this show. Kill ’em! Any which way. That’s what they understand. Pity is weakness to them. It’s in their book and in their blood. The more that get whacked on their own patch, the less we’ll have to sully our own manor with, eventually. I’m a softy when it comes to capital punishment for domestic crime, because we should be able to handle that as a nation without resorting to the crimes we proscribe. But in war it’s different, it a war of attrition, an existential war that we must win or perish. I know we’re all dead in the end, and my end, like yours, is nigher than most, but nonetheless, we have a duty to back our troops through thick and thin.
AWK
With you all the way.
Noa
Exactly! I think … (I’m getting used to your Saturday pm vernacular 😉 )
Frank P
November 10th, 2013 – 01:55
Thanks, Frank!
Alex Jones on 8th November feels closer to God than ever before. If you want to hear a radical conservative, try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHCP3Mpw-9s
The God of Corruption and Fraud or the God of Justice and Life?
http://www.frequency.com/video/alex-jones-show-friday-november-08-2013/130041316/-/5-1309
Frank P, I endorse all you say about the trial of the marine. In his place I too would have dispatched the enemy. What a disgrace that in a place of war he shot and killed one of our enemies for which he will serve time in prison. In the DM he is getting a lot of support. But, Sky (what has happened to it?) reported the case by posing the question as to whether we the public would now support our armed services (in a voice and style that suggested they would be happier if we didn’t). Cameron was quick to qualify the situation and that immediately made me suspicious that perhaps he thinks this may all go the wrong way (too late it already has).
Michael Savage also gets it. Al Capone is running the police and the US is become a version of Cuba under Castro with the same criminal political organization consorting with enemies of national security.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLp-dIArg6Y
How long can England stand if the USA goes down?
I don’t think having an evening off is wallowing in nostalgia. And I find Dad’s Army a reminder of what we are fighting for.
Frank P November 10th, 2013 – 00:50
and at Frank P November 10th, 2013 – 01:55
I agree, few here will disagree.
We can only hope that this sergeant gets some kind of clemency.
All our lawns front and back are covered in a hoar-frost and so I am excused garden duties today and so I will work in my shed, I am cleaning up and applying Green Hammerite to an old sack-truck.
Frank P @ 00:50
Good, Frank, very good. The one at 1.55, too.
“I need to make it clear that I left the EDL because I was spending too much time trying to keep goose-stepping white pride morons away from our demos and not enough time actually doing anything to stop the advance of Islamic extremism. I wanted to make sure our legitimate concerns were not ignored because Nazi morons destroyed our voice in mainstream politics and media.”
– former EDL leader Tommy Robinson.
http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/
Mal, me old fleur, from my vantage point, seems like Britan went down some time ago and the Septics are merely following suit. 🙂
Malfleur 10th, – 10:05
Off topic, but your bit of the Eastern Archipelago seems to have had a bit of a pasting. News reports here seem to be focussing on Leyte but everything to the west-north-west of that must’ve taken a thumping too; any way you can enlarge on that for us?
David Ossitt 10th, – 09:44
“We can only hope that this sergeant gets some kind of clemency.”
Seems even the Army/Marines are quite divided about it too, Brig Dunham was uncompromising on Friday, as is M-G Guthrie this morning, But there are other senior Officers of different opinion.
There are many Commonwealth War Graves in Britain. They are listed at http://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery.aspx
Ostrich
Manila a bit wet on Friday night and a bit windy in the morning but in general only lightly affected. The typhoon hit hard further south. I was in Hong Kong and so doubly protected and my early flight from there to Manila on Saturday morning was not cancelled.
Malfleur, the quality of your links has worsened, what is one supposed to do at the EDL site? Also, this chap Jones just goes on and on, it’s OK what he’s saying, but why repeat oneself?
Where are the gem links of the past?
David Ossitt @ 09:44
Clemency is the wrong outcome, it smells of begging, a suspended sentence of few months if only for not sticking to the code of conduct he voluntarily signed and a referral for a psychiatric treatment.
It’s not the verdict that matters, in law it couldn’t have been any different after the story reached the public domain. It’s the sentence that will show clearly the respect and appreciation the ruling class has for those who put their life in danger on our behalf.
Watching the yearly Remembrance Ceremony on TV. Whatever one’s views may be on royalty, surely HRM The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh are wonderful heads of a nation. My only regret is that they are only figure heads without power. I’m sure that together this fine couple would rule far better than the traitors and imbeciles we are cursed with.
Baron
I am interested that you don’t engage. “this chap Jones just goes on and on”. You are not listening. You seem brain dead. Perhaps it is just a pose. Perhaps you don’t care. Somniferous. Somnolent. Nothing’s happening. Go back to sleep. I am going to read to my daughter – more real. It’s her life at stake.
‘How long can England stand if the USA goes down?’
I don’t know the answer to that but the USA is going down.
I think the thing that has shocked me over the past decade is how the US has overtaken the UK in smashing to pieces its roots.
If you go back to what founded America in the Constitution and so on – it’s all being smashed to bits.
People are clinging on and try to counteract this, but the place is a mess. I always thought the US would outlast the decline of the UK, but now I’m not so sure.
We’re six or so years into the Obama cult and still the MSM worships and lies. And lies. And lies.
This is the way to the promised land. My foot.
I think a lot of people used to leave the UK for other parts of the Anglosphere to protect themselves, but the Bilderbergs and globalists have been hard at work everywhere to destroy that culture and its offshoots.
Peter Hitchens notes today:
‘In Sydney the other day, Rupert Murdoch urged mass immigration on Australia, much as he has supported it here. If he gets his way, Australia will become ‘the world’s most diverse nation’, though Britain under the same policy must be competing for that dubious title.
‘I hope he doesn’t succeed. If Australia just becomes another money-making multicultural desert of concrete and plastic, its origins in our misty islands forgotten, it will lose much more than it gains.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2496611/PETER-HITCHENS-Im-sorry–I-dont-mean-it-isnt-fault-sue-me.html
What do we do?
The first thing to do is be informed.
With no reliable MSM or reliable official data we have to make sure we know we’ve got our facts as best we can.
And we must stop feeding the moster.
No BBC licence fee. No subscriptions to Murdoch. No bank with sharia associations. Boycott certain airlines, certain manufacturers.
The usurpers have used the MSM. In the same way that Fabians lie to get themselves on Question Time. Do the same yourself. Make sure you’ve got some good facts and see if you can deliver one in the balls to the panel.
Never, ever – by the way – try to ask a question you didn’t submit beforehand. I saw someone try to do that in one episode and they stopped her.
It all has to be vetted, see. Although the panel don’t know what the questions are, the people who rig the audience and the tone of the show control all that very tightly.
Another little trick – local politicians know that the most widely read pages of the local newspapers are the letters pages – and a lot of them have been caught getting friends and relatives to write letters in there.
Whistleblowing – if you know something.
If you can’t trust a British newspaper, give it to a website like Exaro.
The ballot box – the obvious one. Never vote for a mainstream party.
I’m not sure about registering 25 people all at one address – all with a postal vote. But it seems to happen a lot in Bradford, Birmingham, Leicester and so on.
Charity money – don’t be conned into giving to big-style Common Purpose charities. Oxfam tops that list.
Every little helps.
The BBC, the mouthpiece of Quislings! It is now 13:30 and on BBC Radio 4, they have chosen Jack Straw as the speaker on “Reflections”. He starts off with his Conchie, Conscientious Objector cur of a father, and now is going on about his socialist mother. Will we never get rid of this scum? About time they all shuffled off this mortal coil.
AWK 12.01 … Triple R rating! Well said! HRS has more pure, grounded common sense in her little finger than all that elected garbage that sits in in the HoC put together. I might exempt Nigel Farage from this blanket condemnation and, of course the Queen’ solid and true helpmeet for all those decades.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 November 10th, 2013 – 13:40
“Will we never get rid of this scum? About time they all shuffled off this mortal coil.”
You and I together; could form a special hit-squad, as to a name for this squad do you think that “The Angry Archaic Assassins” or AAA for short would suffice?
Malfleur, after your daughter falls asleep, have a shower, a cold one.
So what would you like Baron to do when he wakes up, pour petrol on his decrepit body for a show of crackling immolation in a public place, to knock up a chain of barricades or what?
Stop being touchy, cantankerousness doesn’t suit you. And what are you doing in that place, surrounded mostly by the ones yu haven’t yet learnt to like? Why aren’t you in China or a place vacuous of burkas?
and this, because Baron reckons unless we swap the lot in power now, we won’t be able to cure the big boils and warts that worrry us.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2489053/QUENTIN-LETTS-Its-just-Hon-Member-Albania–rotten-whiff-hanging-parliament.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2496955/Tory-MP-apologises-claiming-taxpayers-money-electricity-bills-run-horse-riding-STABLES.html
Joany @ 12:37
Not a bad list of things to do or avoid, the voting suggestion and avoiding charities like Oxfam in particular.
We are governed by laws, and unless we elect a lot that can give us laws based on consent and not some deluded pseudo-liberal shibboleths of a few fanatics Britain will never become what she once was.
Baron’s watching ‘The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp’. Anyone knows the film? One of the senior officers gives the guy an advice how to make it in the Service: ‘Keep your mouth shut, and avoid politicians like plague”.
Nadhim Zahawi admits he’s been getting the tax payer to foot the bill for the electricity used running one of his businesses, a stables. All a terrible mistake.
Peter from Maidstone @ 15:18
What the man did is pure theft, if Baron were to do it the law would pounce on him fast. Why is it he can get away with saying ‘sorry’?
Baron November 10th, 2013 – 15:46
“Why is it he can get away with saying ‘sorry’?”
Simple he is an MP but much more importantly (in Britain today} he is a Muslim.
It is a bit like playing Stud-Poker where black-two’s are wild cards for all of the players excepting that swarthy chap in the corner who can designate any cards to be wild.
Come the revolution!
Come the revolution.
I can only hope to live long enough to be there.
David Ossitt
November 10th, 2013 – 14:35
Fabulous! But beware, David, the Stasi may be bugging us. Heard they are storming AAA offices all over the world.
Verity
November 10th, 2013 – 14:17
Yes,Verity,they are both very admirable.
Baron 10th, – 14:50
“unless we elect a lot that can give us laws based on consent”
And that’s the core of the problem, isn’t it? While our elections are contested on the basis of manifestoes, each fronted by a particular pasty face, from rarely having seen the light of day, and which are a hastily put together grab-bag of promises to sweeten the great unwashed, the discerning voter (yes, I believe a great many of them do still exist) has to evaluate each grab-bag, look at the pasty face above it, decide which of the ‘commitments’ said pasty face will ever get enacted (and enforced) and pick the least bad option (‘cos, while we remain in the EU, they’re ALL bad!)
Of course, we might try to pick our manifestoes subject by subject and vote on each, referendum style, but that way lies madness.
It’s not by way of being a good day…you wouldn’t believe how many typos above I had to correct before I hit ‘submit’.
The sham of ‘democracy’ in the UK has of course been exploited to the maximum.
Key policies are left out of manifestos (mass immigration).
And how many of the voters are real?
30 people on the electoral roll in one dwelling in certain ‘communities’ – all with postal votes – tells you the UK has a very big phantom voting block.
Like the Nadhim Zahawi scandal – it’s all too politically correct for anybody to investigate and bring criminal charges.
‘It’s cultural difference. They have big families. Unlike you Westerners.’ You out busy working all day – too busy to have lots of children? Well, that’s not how The Guardian and Jon Snow will tell it. Nah.
They’ll spin it that the: ‘Muslims have big families. And you don’t understand their culture, innit?’
‘My cousin lives here and has gone to Pakistan. Innit?
‘All 30 of them.’
As you do.
Similar has happened in the US.
For those who know how to run elections, that list of electors and local bribes are the bread and butter of the business.
The UK’s inadvertent hope lies in Scotland.
The Scottish Stalinist mafia, who parachuted in their most spiteful, most Left wing MPs who caused so much damage in the Blair/Brown terror, would never return to power if independence materialises.
The Tories are wetting themselves too because they can see the electorate is itching to write them out of history and a re-drawn political map would give the docile English vote the message that, yes, you can dump this lot in Westminster.
Anybody for a new party?
Like Ralph Miliband and his father before him, it is always worth digging into the antecedents of intellectuals.
They are not always rich or directly powerful themselves but their ideas start off as molten what often ends up in the mainstream and with disastrous consequences.
And here we have Gore Vidal, a man who did so much to undermine and damage America, a man who newspaper editors always loved to turn for for ‘good copy’.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2496631/Family-Gore-Vidal-allege-pedophile-challenge-writers-37-million-will.html
By the way, I am so sick of those ‘fluffy’ photos of Ed and Justine.
On similar sick photo themes, I do recommend Peter Hitchens’ column today for a commentary on ‘Sam Cam’ and her sari.
I would reproduce the words here but the accompanying sanctimonious photo is just priceless. I hope it gives you a good laugh:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2496611/PETER-HITCHENS-Im-sorry–I-dont-mean-it-isnt-fault-sue-me.html
America’s welfare problem:
http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2013/11/learning-from-obituaries.html
Joany November 10th, 2013 – 18:37
“And here we have Gore Vidal, a man who did so much to undermine and damage America,”
And also the man who lost all credence here when he called MI6 M-sixteen, or was it MI5 M fifteen, I can’t quite remember.
I have just removed a very tedious and tendentious ‘poem’ by Fergus Pickering. If there is a great outcry I will restore it but I am getting rather fed up with his/her work.
It certainly has more rhyme than The Koran’s:
‘Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.’
And there is no dreaming of that.
That’s the reality.
Sorry, Peter, that wasn’t a plea to revive that poem.
Just a reminder to those who try to hide behind whimsy that their little tittering always seems to leave out the dead bodies.
I always like to see if these ‘satirists’ want to laugh about that.
Dealing with the bear necessities in British Columbia.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/eryxAcsTcOA?rel=0
Talking of which, here we go:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2498212/Muslim-convert-tasered-police-heard-chanting-wanted-kill-non-Muslims-trying-kill-policemen-firefighters-knife-rampage.html
This is a convert we are talking about.
That religion hands its followers a licence to kill: ‘Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.’
That licence is then backed up by laws on equality and diversity which give that religion a moral equivalence in law – which in reality is to elevate it, because it is so arrogant in the first place – over everybody else.
So the original licence to kill is given a second licence to kill by the host country.
And as with Woolwich there was no need for any digital surveillance.
They’ve got the message on that.
It’s blades on streets now, see.
This on a day when a lot of what I am sure we are all thinking about is Lee Rigby.
The UK doesn’t need more surveillance.
It needs the one thing it won’t get. Those who should not be there – out.
Yet people deny the meaning of the words. Deny the meaning of the attacks. Deny the meaning of the dead bodies.
I saw two ghastly little brats the other week in the news for dressing up as the Twin Towers to a fancy dress party.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2488232/Fury-British-girls-Twin-Towers-fancy-dress-costumes–daughter-pilot-flying-US-time-terror-attacks.html
Would it be poetic justice if one of these murderous Islamic attacks ended up being on one of those people who hide behind whimsy like that?
Their ‘poetry’ might be a little less prolific.
At last!
A truncated military campaign against islamic extremists for our armed forces.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2498178/British-troops-deployed-save-Kenyan-elephants-illegal-slaughter-trade-funding-terrorist-attacks.html
Front Page Mag reports that some Egyptians have brought charges against Obama for crimes against humanity by reason of his involvement in the Muslim Brotherhood.
“The complaint charges Obama of being an accessory to the Muslim Brotherhood, which incited widespread violence in Egypt both before and after the June 30 Revolution.”
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/raymond-ibrahim/obama-accused-of-crimes-against-humanity-at-international-criminal-court/
and has also picked up on Alex Jones’ series of reports on the purging of the US military:
“President Obama hasn’t just been hollowing out the military since taking office, he’s been gutting it, purging it of ideologically hostile personnel, and fundamentally transforming it into something other than a war-fighting force, military experts say.”
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/matthew-vadum/purging-and-transforming-our-military/
Of course the death of the 22 members of Navy Seals’ Team Six in the Chinook helicopter crash in Afghanistan suggests that he is also murdering them as well, hence no doubt the notorious quote attributed to him that “I’m really good at killing people”.
A little boots in the making?
The American people on the whole seem remarkably complacent about the doings of their head of state.
Obama is a Gramscian’s Gramscian.
Look at who educated him.
He knows every part of that playbook.
Get rid of the seniors, the ones who know how it’s done. How it was before it ‘changed’ – key word.
Now we’re ‘modernizing’ – key word.
Because it forms part of the public payroll, the military is a key battle zone in the culture war. You can win the war of ideas there by altering it and re-shaping it.
And help destroy the country and the ideas that founded it.
His reign has been remarkably successful in the same way that Tony Blair’s was.
The pace and level of ‘change’ has been unprecedented.
Like Blair, many will not realise it until they can view it in the context of history.
Oh, America, not you as well.
The slim, slim, slim hope that America clings on to is the Constitution, a document that tried to hardwire in protection from ideas dreamt up by people like Gramsci.
But these ideas are embedded like tapeworms, which is what makes them so effective. Disrupt, destabilize. Change.
Peter from Maidstone November 10th, 2013 – 20:36
“I am getting rather fed up with his/her work.”
As am I; often it is not his own work.
Joany November 10th, 2013 – 20:40
“It certainly has more rhyme than The Koran’s:”
I did not see the piece that P from M has removed but if the line below is taken from that supposed poem from Fergus then he is at it again, plagiarism I mean, because that below is a direct quote from the Koran.
‘Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.’
“The central ritual at cenotaphs throughout the Commonwealth is a stylised night vigil. The Last Post was the common bugle call at the close of the military day, and the Rouse was the first call of the morning. For military purposes, the traditional night vigil over the slain was not just to ensure they were indeed dead and not unconscious or in a coma, but also to guard them from being mutilated or despoiled by the enemy, or dragged off by scavengers. This makes the ritual more than just an act of remembrance but also a pledge to guard the honour of war dead.”
Wikipedia
The British School Manila holds its Assembly today in about 18 minutes at 10.50am.
People have died in their thousands in the Philippines.
Hanoi braces itself for the worst tropical storm in a generation.
The Iranian Foreign Minister predicts conflagration between Shia and Sunni.
The Greek Conservative Government hangs on by the skin of its teeth.
Meanwhile censorship is alive and well in the United Kingdom.
Even Joany concurs.
At 11am I will take my place at the Cenotaph in my small town.
I will thank God for the delivery of my Father from the conflict at Arnhem.
I will rejoice at the freedom he and others bequeathed to us all.
I may thank Fraser Nelson and others for not allowing the new tyranny of Leveson.
Fergus Pickering@November 11th, 2013 – 04:56
My father and both grandfathers survived their active service, dad in bomber command air crew, and the grandfathers at the Somme.
But I lost a great uncle when HMS Natal blew up in Cromarty Firth in 1915 -bad cordite, and 2 great aunts,one of their husbands, their child and her nusband and theor baby granddaughter in an air raid on Ilford in 1944
and dads cousin killed on a motorbike while in the Arny in the far east in 1946. it is classed as war dead.
Wifes dad survived being in tanks in the n African desert in WW2 too.
but there have been family tragedies just as distressing as the ward. both parents had siblings who didnt survive infancy, and my parental grandad lost 3 under 5 siblings in a few short months to scarletina.
So while war is shit, there is bad stuff outside war too 🙁
This plonker is going to be on my doorstep in 2015 asking for me to vote for him.
I will point and laugh.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2496955/Tory-MPs-claim-electricity-stables-exposed-Press-The-Press-wants-bring-state-control.html#comments
Fergus Pickering may complain about censorship, but it is nothing of the sort. I retain the absolute right to remove material that people find boring and tedious. Post something with a modicum of thought behind it and I will let it remain whatever it says. But here is an excerpt of the dreary ‘poem’ I removed, which makes even the Koran appear mellifluous by comparison…
MUHAMMAD THE PROPHET
TAUGHT ME THE WAY
TO BE HONEST AND TRUTHFUL
THROUGHOUT EVERY DAY
It went on and on like this, and deserved to be removed.
Peter from Maidstone November 11th, 2013 – 08:21
“I retain the absolute right to remove material that people find boring and tedious. Post something with a modicum of thought behind it and I will let it remain whatever it says.”
I do not pretend or even attempt to speak for everyone here but I am absolutely sure that there are few that will disagree with your comment above.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2498212/Muslim-convert-tasered-police-heard-chanting-wanted-kill-non-Muslims-trying-kill-policemen-firefighters-knife-rampage.html
Tasered??
Jesus H Christ! Have the armed response unit been deprived of real bullets as yet a punishment for Plebgate?
David Ossitt
November 11th, 2013 – 08:52
Peter is right and is protecting our sanity.
Is that weirdo a wannabe oriental Patience Strong?
Censorship is one thing,
Crimes against literature another.
What’s so great about “diversit”? Monoculurism, with a small scattering of diversity, like a dash of pepper from the shaker, is far to be preferred. Give me monoculturalismj,where everyone knows where they stand, and if they insult a foreigner, it is intentional.
Sorry about careless spelling above. It was due to tea deprivation.
Re: Fergus the Flibbertigibbet
I feel I have to demur on the issue of eradication, as opposed to castigation, of ‘boring’ posts. ‘Boring’ is subjective judgement after all and we are all in possession of a scroll key. If ‘non-boring’ is a prerequisite criterion for scribbling on the hallowed coffee house wall, who knows to what level of subjective censorship may ensue? As most regular Wallsters are aware, my own reflexive response to Fergie is “FOF” when he’s being particularly silly. But cutting his fingers off? Extreme and unwarranted punishment, imho.
Everyone was clamouring to obviate censorship on other sites a few days ago What’s changed? As for you Anne my old pal; you sanity is grounded very firmly and nothing that is likely to emanate from Fergus’s fingers is likely to melt your half-inch lightning conductor, I’m certain. You do yourself an injustice. Noa has the best excuse – Crimes Against Literature’. But I’m sure his tongue was in his cheek when he fired that off. We came into existence as a blog in retaliation to stifled free-speech elsewhere. Now we’re practising it? Tut! Tut!
” O wad some Power the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us! …”
And please note, David Ossitt, that my quotation marks are in ‘bold type’ . I won’t insult your intelligence, or the Scottish bard’s reputation by naming him. 🙂
A strong article on the convicted Marine: “…..(it) is not open and shut in the moral and ethical sense.The test may be the law,but the proving ground is the battlefield.”——-“We……seek to legitimize,criminalize and militarize (the situation)……That surely is the one true crime.” SEE http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/kevin-godlington/royal-marine-murderer_b_4246911.html
Frank P November 11th, 2013 – 14:46
“I feel I have to demur on the issue of eradication, as opposed to castigation, of ‘boring’ posts”
On reflection you are right of course, you most often are but one does get the impression the Fergus is deliberately trying to get on our nerves.
The thing that I find most odd is how Fergus’s posts have changed dramatically over the years, does my memory deceive me when I think this?
The Boot major’s in a put down of an ex-PM – wonderful!
http://alexanderboot.com/content/john-major-fine-one-talk
Martin Clarke, the Mail’s on line editor said this:-
“Underpinning any press regulator as a statutory body effectively gives the state the power to licence newspapers and penalise ones that either do not join the body or ignore its rules. The only way to force bloggers to sign up as well would be to give that statutory body the same power to shut down blogs. If licensing newspapers is a severe restriction on free speech, this would be positively North Korean and the subject of mass internet protest. But even if we could get a law through, is it enforceable? Are we really going to drag Guido Fawkes off to the tower like his famous namesake for not joining the PCC?”
I guess the capital of North Korea has moved to Kent.
Fergus, it must be while since you’ve been to Kent!
But do you consider yourself to be an artist? In my branch of the performing arts I am of course judged by the public during and immediately after the presentation of my work. We performers don’t have the luxury of considered honing before pressing the ‘send’ key, but it strikes me you don’t take advantage of this, well, advantage! Mind you, your work doesn’t strike as being any less vacuous and bland as that of our former poet laureate, Sir Andrew Motion.
As regards you being scrubbed from this particular wall, perhaps you should consider the wise words of Burke (were there any other?) which went something like, “freedom without being tempered by virtue and wisdom is worse than licence.” (You being the wordsmith will undoubtedly have the correct quote to hand.) No artist has an audience as of right and surely even you must see that this place is not here as a repository for wannabe laureates. Seek the audience who will admire and understand your strains (sic.!), even if in the end it turns out that the only place where your work is welcomed is your fridge door.
And on another subject entirely, and one which restores some faith in our poor nation, see this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10441802/Former-Wren-to-ex-minister-You-Sir-are-a-disgrace.html
FOF! We were talking about you, not to you. Cue Voltaire … 🙂
It’s not censorship at all.
It’s a case of find another publisher.
Or is there not a pathload of them beating their way to ‘Fergus Pickering’s’ door?
I do like the story about the Wren.
For the same reason I talked about Johnson claiming taxpayers’ money for a poppy wreath.
It’s not the most serious crime, but I think, surely, this one simple story will get it into the thick heads of the public how much these people hate and despise you.
Perhaps this story, because it is not complex, will ram that home truth home?
Talking of Johnson, he has one of his ‘spin to deliberately miss the point’ articles today in favour of Marine A.
The whole article is designed to deflect from the fact that:
a) the Tories keep lying when they say they’ll rein in the human rights lawyers, and
b) which Tory is most vocal in favour of mass Muslim immigration – the type of person who was trying to kill Marine A and the type of person who like jihadism on the streets of London.
There’s a similar spin article by Martin Bell. It’s a faux apology article. Bell tells us there is a culture of entitlement at the BBC.
Er, no, that’s the least of it, isn’t it. But it’s a faux apology article trying to take the sting out of the real issue: the total, unremitting Left-wing bias of the BBC.
They must run at least a dozen of these ‘deliberately miss the point articles’ a week in that trashy paper.
Throughout the day on both radio and television broadcasts; much mention has been made of the Memorial to the Missing at The Menin Gate at Ypres.
My beloved and I have stayed at a small hotel in Ypres about twenty years ago and as you would expect we attended that evenings Last Post Ceremony and found it to be a very moving experience.
Despite having visited I am still unsure of how we should pronounce Ypres.
Today’s television and radio broadcasts have been of little use, in that I must have heard 4, 5 or six differing examples, these included, Eeep. Eeepr, Eeper, Eepers, Eypr, and Eyper.
Does any linguist here know of the correct pronunciation? If any do put me and I suspect others out of our ignorance.
IRISHBOY November 11th, 2013 – 18:22
Wise words.
David Ossitt
November 11th, 2013 – 19:28
Wipes! (No disrespect intended)
Joany November 11th, 2013 – 19:16
“But it’s a faux apology article trying to take the sting out of the real issue: the total, unremitting Left-wing bias of the BBC.”
I agree, it used to be biased news content, political discourse programs showing extreme bias, most of News Night, Question Time, Any Questions etcetera.
But now in almost all of the comedy or for want of a better word ‘light entertainment’.
I now find it very difficult to watch ‘Have I Got News for You’ ‘QI’ and many more there are a core group of twenty to thirty who are brought back time and again to spout their obscenities and ultra-left republican bile.
The fat bulbous lipped poppy-eyed ex-mental nurse is the worst and that so desperately unfunny Marcus Brigstocke, I could happily throttle either.
Peter from Maidstone @ 08:21
Peter, you certainly have the right to remove anything you think shouldn’t appear on your site, but Baron feels rather uneasy about it. We often complain, and rightly so, the left leaning tossers are judgmental, why imitate their dreadful habit?
Baron first noticed Peter’s post on the removal of Fergus’s poem as he scrolled down from his own post last night. Had he came across Frank’s posting at 14.46, the barbarian would have just seconded it
IRISHBOY @ 18:22
A courageous girl, that former Wren. That’s a thing we should all consider doing when an opportunity arises. Embarrassment, particularly in public, could be apotent weapon.
David Ossitt @ 19:28
Here’s a guide, you try:
http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=ypres
You can refresh to hear it again
Baron got the following from his American friend, it’s quite intriguing. The e-mail also contained sites that confirm two of the questions, but Baron didn’t include those because when he clicked on the links there popped a warning from Cisco the sited may be risky. If you insist, Baron will post the sites’ addresses.
4 Simple Questions
1. Back in 1961 people of color were called ‘Negroes.’ So how can the Obama ‘birth certificate’ state he is “African-American” when the term wasn’t even used at that time ?
2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama’s birth as August 4, 1961 & Lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. At the time of Obama’s birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years, and that Obama’s father was born in “Kenya , East Africa “.
This would not seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama’s birth, and 27 years after his father’s birth. How could Obama’s father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the “British East Africa Protectorate”.
3. On the Birth Certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital”.
This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called “KauiKeolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity Home”, respectively. The name did not change to Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?
4. Perhaps a clue comes from Obama’s book on his father. He states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I’m not a math genius, so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama’s “birth certificate” says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when Obama was born. That should have put his father’s date of birth approximately 1936-if my math holds. Now we need a non-revised history book-one that hasn’t been altered to satisfy the author’s goals-to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and 1945. Just how many 3 year olds fight in wars? Even in the latest stages of WW II his father wouldn’t have been more than 9 years old.
Malfleur @ 22:07
How could the barbarian forget this: Excellent links, Malfleur, thanks.
And last, even though Baron has no desire to re-open the issue, here’s Boris on Soldier A in today’s DT:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10439808/Marine-A-must-face-justice-but-the-law-has-its-limits-in-warfare.html
To quote Anna Soubry, where would the NHS be without all its foreign workers?
Many of whom go to the UK with qualifications way below the British standard.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2500971/Newborn-baby-face-stationery-cupboard-couple-left-care-midwives.html
Generally speaking there are many, many foreign doctors and nurses in the NHS would would not be allowed to work in their roles is they had taken British exams.
Again and again foreign standards are given ‘equality’ with British qualifications when the opposite is true.
We don’t know what’s happened in this case but there is a litany of cases where the failings are of people not trained in the UK and who sneak in the back door of professional qualification by having been qualified in non-UK countries to a much lower standard.
I don’t like your tone, Ms Soubry.
Just watched our pm spouting off at Guildhall.
After the Lord Mare’s (sic) Banquet, comes the horseshit?
From the same friend, American take on 11-11-11, quite moving, the singing.
http://worriersanonymous.org/Share/Mansions.htm
Joany @ 21:07
You right, to find an indigenous face, a British accent is quite rare in both the NHS and in private hospital care.
Baron got back from a world famous London hospital three hours ago, only two of the nursing, supporting staff of about 18 (they work in shifts) are locals, the language of one of the staff incomprehensible. She is a student of English, works weekends because it pays, handles food. This may seem trivial, but many patients have allergies (Baron’s wife for inst.), special diets, how can she handle this?
David Ossitt @ 19:50
The fat bulbous lipped poppy-eyed ex-mental nurse was more than rude (libellous, in Baron’s view) about Sir McAlpine when he was accused ofabusing young boys. After the accusations were found to be false she refused to apologise. And the BBC still loves her. Arghhh
Baron (20:47)
Well, just to pick on one item in your list, I considered joining the Kenyan Police force circa 1956, when they were recruiting, so it certainly existed then. A few on my colleagues at Savile Row did join, but after reading some tales about the Mau Mau, I changed my mind. I think you’11 find that was the war that O’Bummer’s Dad acquired a hatred for the British Empire. Refer you pal to the CIA World Fact Book, he needs to check on a few of ’em.
“Noa has the best excuse – Crimes Against Literature’. But I’m sure his tongue was in his cheek when he fired that off.”
O dear, you rumbled me again Frank! It’s a fair cop Guv, I’ll come quietly…
“…We came into existence as a blog in retaliation to stifled free-speech elsewhere. Now we’re practising it? Tut! Tut!”
Yes, agreed.
And on Marine A the establishment hypocracy continues, with senior military personnel performing their roles as Pontious Pilate.
Whereas the real criminal, Antony Charles Lynton Blair, continues to prance on the world’s stage.
And yet, ever the optimist, I retain hope that my shares in piano wire manufacturer William Hughes Ltd will someday soar as high as the heels of Mr Blair and his confederates on the lampposts of Westminster.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2499236/PETER-McKAY-If-killer-Marine-guilty-Blair.html
Frank P @ 21:49
Baron will do, tell his friend to re-check the birth of Kenya
There is a place for offensive poetry and it is not here. I think FP whoever that person is has plenty of opportunity to post. Frank do not confuse editorial control with censorship. They are not the same. If the person posting as FP wishes to describe their respect for and belief in Islam they can do so. But not in tedious ‘poetic’ form. I will delete further ‘poetry’ by this poster if it has no worth. If someone continually posted in a foreign language id also delete that. Its not censorship at all.
Noa @ 22.19
Re: Pickering’s Problem – Irony is not dead.
Baron @ 20.47
Obama’s a wrong’un.
Correction:
Obama’s a wrong’un six ways to Sunday.
So Marine A faces a court-martial for being wholly successful in his professional duty, but Andy Burnham and Sir David Nicholson have avoided standing in the dock for the murder of thousands upon uncounted thousands in the “care” of our envy of the world NHS.
And for all those platitudinous cretins who still can’t see reality, is this what you mean when you say our envy of the world NHS would fall apart without all those hard-working immigrants selflessly tending a grateful nation?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2500971/Newborn-baby-face-stationery-cupboard-couple-left-care-midwives.html
David Ossitt 11th, – 19:28
We-ell, If it’s any help, the Flemish spelling of Ypres is ‘Ieper’. Since, without authority, I presume that both sides pronounce the name the same I’m thinking that the Dutch/Flemish/German spelling probably produces a pronunciation that accords most closely with ours.
Baron 11th, – 20:18
“the left leaning tossers are judgmental, why imitate their dreadful habit?”
I understand your concern, and certainly have some sympathy with it, but FP’s drivellings have become so long (bit like those of the pseudo-offspring of the celebrated Greek) they really do waste a lot of space. The longer I scroll, the faster it goes, so I fear I’m in danger of missing something really pithy from one of our esteemed contributors.
Baron November 11th, 2013 – 21:46
And she is the b*tch that did for The Blessed Margaret’s daughter.
Ostrich (occasionally)
November 11th, 2013 – 23:50
Steady on shipmate the use of initials only can lead to some confusion: or is that what you intended? 🙂
Peter (22:43)
If deleting a post, albeit deluded doggerel, from an open blog isn’t censorship, then WTF is? But it’s your blog cocker, so dig in the heels and censor away. And please … the analogy of publisher refusing a ms? DMAFF!
If you think it censorship then think away. The fact that he can repeat himself or herself in prose indicates there is clearly no censorship. If he wrote in a foreign language I would also delete it while allowing him to post in English. So no censorship according to any reasonable definition. If he repeated one word 10000 times would it also be censorship if I removed it? I don’t think so.
FP if I wanted to censor posts then there are plenty I would have removed. But I have not done so. This is essentially an open politics sort of blog. If someone insisted on filling each wall with recipes it would also not be censorship to remove some. The blog is open but does not exist for one person to take over. FP had been asked by many people to stop. He/She can communicate as the rest of us do without let or hindrance.
Noa
November 11th, 2013 – 22:19
Good link. McKay rarely gets that serious, does he?
And talking of serious pieces,
Over at the other place, under the “Crispin Blunt and Reigate are fighting for the future of the Conservative Party” thread, Colonel Mustard (Nicholas – late of this parish, perhaps?) supplies this link about Common Purpose which is worth the candle:
http://beforeitsnews.com/blogging-citizen-journalism/2013/02/shockingly-real-conspiracy-to-rule-the-world-matrix-training-revealed-political-charity-using-behavioral-modification-2445756.html
I know much of it has been discussed here over the years, but the chronicle of conspiracy adduced by this blog is a cracker.
Fergus understands
He remembers the heady days of Speccies wall
When Hoskin let us all walk tall
He understands the issue too
It was the Muslim issue that made Peter blue
Fergus understands and will henceforth just keep the references to his Parish Church and the porch (for those of you privileged to have actually have seen the deleted post)
http://www.britishreactionary.co.uk/settingsun_issue2.pdf
Roll up roll up for the latest issue of: The Setting Sun
Lice Bouquet reports from the Nation of Warzone etc.
Please repost this on this week’s wall when it goes up! Ta !
Pat Condell’s latest ….
“How gay is Islam?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLbltj-tD1Y
“Islamic science” – oxymoron of the week!
Frank P, November 12th, 2013 – 00:50
A superb compendium exposing CP’s subversive activities.
I wonder what happened to Nicholas (Well Wisher) ?
” the use of initials only can lead to some confusion”
On the other hand, it can be economical. Whenever you write “FOF” for some reason I always, initially, interpret the last “F” as “Fraser.”
CRIKEY! 😯
They couldn’t possibly be ……
David Ossitt @ 19:50
The fat bulbous lipped poppy-eyed ex-mental nurse
=================================
Who were (is) the maddest. the mental patients or the mental nurse?
Has anybody seen the terrible TV advert for Marks & Spencer which uses the “Wizard of Oz” for inspiration? No wonder, M&S are going down the pan.
Frank P 12th, – 00:28
“Steady on shipmate the use of initials only can lead to some confusion:”
Oops! So it can. These days nobody seems to be able to keep a good acronym exclusively to themselves. ‘way back in the day, in Northern Ireland, there was such a limited amount of sport for BBC NI to report that they would include the most insignificant sports and leagues. ‘FP’ meant ‘Former Pupils’. 🙂
Another headline that says it all;but how would Enoch have responded? SEE http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2013/11/12/poppy-day-cadet-uniform-pupils-sent-home-from-wolverhampton-school/
A scoop by Richard North over on EU Referendum, where he has acquired Mary Ellen Synon’s speech notes from the BrugesGroup annual conference.
http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=84482
And Richard North, who exposed the serial incompetencies of the Mnistry of Defence in Iraq, in his book, ‘Ministry of Defeat’, points out the hypocrisy of applying the rule of law to soldiers in combat, but demanding exemption from it’s application to their commanders:
“…By this measure, we must see a low-ranked soldier committed to prison. But, when it comes to high-ranking soldiers and the rule of law, such as the duty of care when it comes to sending out troops in substandard vehicles, we see the same newspaper fielding Charles Moore to tell us that, “If there is a risk of litigation and even prosecution, how can commanders make proper decisions on the ever-changing battlefield?”
Methinks we’re seeing a little hypocrisy here. Certainly, “commanders” can’t have it both ways.
If Her Majesty’s Armed Forces are held to have a duty to uphold the rule of law, then they cannot pick and choose which laws are upheld. The law should be the law, and where senior officers needlessly expose the troops in their charge to unnecessary danger, then they too should be held to account for their actions in a court of law…”
http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=84486
And why not challenge your political pre-conceptions, and move out of your intellectual comfort zone, by feeding your inner Marxist?
‘Spiked’ is always worth a look at by the Walls’s counter-revolutionaries, sometime they vsay what we think, and I’d recommend this week’s piece on the madness of Kier Starmer, the present DPP.
http://www.spiked-online.com/
“The machinery of British government is sclerotic: rigid, unresponsive and unable to adapt. It has the agility and dynamism of a beached whale. The country needs infrastructure and economic savings and a culture that sets the individual free. The government occasionally promises all three but fails to deliver…”
And who would disagree wiith that?
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/why_cant_the_government_get_things_done/14261#.UoJrteL6Ras
EC
Thanks for the Pat Condell link.
He’s just the sort of company you’d want at a stoning, beheading or barmitzvah, he knows exactly the right thing to say to release the tension and create a party atmosphere.
Peace!
Radford NG
November 12th, 2013 – 11:43
Yet another case: And, there is yet another horrible one where a barvarian from the Sudan, who went with 13 year old girls, has received damages for being too long in custody!
Visa case man Nusret Bora ‘is convicted killer’
Putting the CBI’s lie that we need to be in the EU ‘to be at the top table’ to the sword.
http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=84483
Ten lies about Mrs Thatcher
She was twice winner of Wimbledon.
She had webbed feet and aquatic gills.
Her favourite band was Anthrax.
She was allergic to cheese.
She was a recurring extra in Eastenders.
She had the worlds largest collection of Elvis memorabilia.
She was from Croydon.
She could bend spoons with the power of her mind.
She was a critical member of the Apollo 12 mission.
She kept four goats at Number 10 Downing Street.
H/T How to be a complete Bastard
http://howtobeacompletebastard.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/ten-lies-about-mrs-thatcher.html
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 November 12th, 2013 – 09:31
Anne, talking of terrible TV advertisements have you noticed the change in the Lloyds mortgage advert; the one apparantly voiced over by Owen Jones, where the little scuzz bag has finally taken the plunge, renounced his parental parasitism and acquired his own piece of real property heaven?
You may recollect it originally contained the line that he was ‘sick of Grandma’s right wing politics’ as it showed a map of the world with just England.
Now gone, presumably after receing complaints and criticism by. amongst others, Peter Hitchens, this publicly owned bankrupt bank still sees its new customers as cretinous sofa rivetted lefties who want to wonder around in their Y Fronts, whilst continuing to scrounge off the bank of Mum and Dad.
Depressingly, I suspect they have identified their target customers to a Tee.
Noa
November 12th, 2013 – 19:12
No, Noa, but I will certainly look out for it. I usually dash into the kitchen when the adverts are shown, but I will watch especially for this one and report back!
Isn’t it funny how those on the Left are happy to accept the empty baubles, titles and geegaws of our monarchical, hierarchical capitalist society?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2503251/Blackadders-Tony-Robinson-gets-knighthood-Prince-William.html?ico=home^editors_choice_six_of_the_best
Noa
November 12th, 2013 – 20:07
Noa, I think I need new glasses. I truly thought the limk read
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2503251/Blackadders-Tommy-Robinson-gets-knighthood-Prince-William.html?ico=home^editors_choice_six_of_the_best
Anne
On first reading I thought that that it was our old mukker Tommy Robinson, he of Quillam Foundation and passport confusion fame, who was getting on down with the Cambridge’s, not Comrade Baldprick.
Here’s a taster of the wee feller in action, ranting like the socialist media millionaire luvvie he is…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAkxNOFfiA4
I wonder if Mrs Noa would mind this pensioner supplementing his meagre income by taking on a little part time job…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2502492/Chinese-website-offers-men-hour-women-ashamed-single-status.html
“The Home Office has written to a boy to tell him he must leave the country as he was born in Canada, despite the fact that his mother is a British national.
Sara Leung, who has dual Canadian and British nationality, moved her family to Southport, Merseyside, in June 2012.
Southport MP John Pugh said asking Jamie, 7, to leave his family showed a “lack of humanity and common sense”.
This appears on the BBC News website. Of course the boy cannot stay, he will grow up to be a white, non-moslem man.
What a naive fool I am. The mother has a new ‘partner’ name of Ahmed and daughter Elisha and another son by him.
Now we know why Mr Cameronski has done nothing to stop the forthcoming invasion….
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/camerons-cabinet-mostly-eastern-europeans-2013103080734
“It’s the seventy-fifth anniversary of Kristallnacht, the name given to the violent wave of destruction against German Jews on 9/10 November 1938 which unleashed a chain of events that would eventually culminate in the Final Solution of the Nazi regime…”
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/kristallnacht_anti_semitism_then_and_now/14277#.UoK6bOL6Ras
Why the zombie Tory party doesn’t represent Tories or anyone else, anymore.
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/13303#.UoLCHuL6Ras
R.I.P. Sir John Taverner;after long illness.He said on Mon.[Radio 4:recorded Thur.]:Maybe there is nothing;but in nothing is God……….There is a long obituary in the Telegraph for those with access to it;otherwise SEE http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24919332
I was on the border of something
Which has no certain name…
A drowsy summons,
A slipping away from myself…
Already I stand at the threshold to something,
The lot of all,but at a varying price..
One this ship.there is a cabin for me
And wind in the sails-and the dread moment
Of the parting with my native land.
Anna Akhmatova;1942
[Translated;Mother Thekla]
Set to music by John Tavener.
Correction:
On this ship,there is a cabin for me