The Coffee House Wall – 6th/12th January

Posted on January 6, 2014

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257 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 6th/12th January”

  1. Starting off the week hoping Verity is O.K. Really miss you and your erudite postings. I’m sure a lot of us here would like to wish you a happy New Year.

  2. Alexandr
    Well aware of that but Devon is in Cornwall.
    We are told in our history that the Celts were driven down there by the Saxon invaders and their brutal short swords.
    Meanwhile back here the liberals are attacking the splendid Koch Networks:

    “But they have substantial firepower. Together, the 17 conservative groups that made up the network raised at least $407 million during the 2012 campaign, according to the analysis of tax returns by The Washington Post and the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan group that tracks money in politics.

    A labyrinth of tax-exempt groups and limited-liability companies helps mask the sources of the money, much of which went to voter mobilization and television ads attacking President Obama and congressional Democrats, according to tax filings and campaign finance reports.”

    You could do with Koch to sort out weak liberal Cameron

  3. John Jefferson Burns@January 6th, 2014 – 12:36

    ‘Well aware of that but Devon is in Cornwall’

    Not a point of view I would make in Exeter or Plymouth. Or Hemyock Remember, they argue whether to put the cream or jam on top when eating a cream tea.

  4. Alexsandr

    It’s the best point in his post.

    Btw, I am a cream on jam man myself…we are talking scones, no?.

  5. Malfleur@January 6th, 2014 – 13:20

    My paternal ancestors, and my surname comes from Devon so I have to put the cream on first.

  6. I have tried fruitlessly to find out whether the HOLD of KLM, IN THE WINTER, is heated. I am trying to arrange to return to Britain with my cats, but I had understood that the hold is never heated and in February, of course, that would mean the death of my animals.

    You can’t get a firm answer here because they don’t really relate to flying with pets. Can someone please call KLM and ask if the hold of their planes from Mexcico in January are guaranteed heated. Thank you so much if you can. And find out as much information as possible. They only allow two pets in the cabin and I have three, which means one would be consigned to the hold, and I don’t trust them.

    Anyone got any better ideas? Thank you.

  7. I found this….

    On all KLM flights (and on KLM Cityhopper flights of less than 2 hours). Between 1 November and 31 March each year, pets cannot be taken in the hold of Fokker aircraft because it cannot be heated.

    I am not sure what type of plane files from Mexico. Where would your destination be?

  8. Verity
    January 6th, 2014 – 14:09
    Was going to call KLM (just arrived home) but Peter has wonderfully taken care of the query. I must point out that bringing cats into the UK is a dreadful business. Even with full certificates of vaccination and health, problems are arranged by the bureaucrats. I went through this. Then where will you put the three cats on your arrival? Catteries are very expensive and not all are good. Must really be careful there. Finally, not all landlords accept pets. Anyway, good luck!

  11. Verity January 6th, 2014 – 14:09

    I have no knowledge of importing cats to the UK but as Anne has written I expect it will be a nightmare, it might sound cruel but I would re-house them prior to your leaving.

    Did you get any help from the Housing Associations that I gave you links to?

  13. Anne Wotana Kaye 1@January 6th, 2014 – 14:26

    then there is the cost of quarantine…

  14. John Jefferson Burns January 6th, 2014 – 12:36

    “Well aware of that but Devon is in Cornwall.”

    What a load of bloody nonsense; that is like saying that Europe is in the UK or London is in the City of Leeds.

    Devonshire (Devon) is the second largest of the English counties with an area of 2,590 square miles it is bordered on the west by Cornwall only 1,376 square miles, north and south by the Bristol and English Channels and Somerset and Dorset to the north-east and east.

    Yorkshire (God’s own county) is the largest traditional county in Great Britain covering an area of over 6,000 square miles. It is bordered by County Durham, Derbyshire, Lancashire, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, Westmorland, and the North Sea.

  15. David Ossitt@January 6th, 2014 – 16:16

    But they stole some in 1974, Tosside going to Lancashire, and Sedbergh and Dent to Cumbria.

  16. Alexsandr January 6th, 2014 – 16:22

    “But they stole some in 1974, Tosside going to Lancashire, and Sedbergh and Dent to Cumbria.”

    And Middlesbrough and Kingston Upon Hull and others but we do not acknowledge these changes.

  18. David Ossitt 6th, – 16:16

    “Yorkshire is the largest traditional county in Great Britain”

    An ex-colleague of mine from the dark ages still refers to Barwick in Elmet as a ‘kingdom’.

  19. Alexsandr
    January 6th, 2014 – 15:59
    Theoretically there is no more need for quarantine with this new system.

  21. David Ossitt@January 6th, 2014 – 16:30

    Think we should quietly forget about middlesborough….

  22. Alexsandr January 6th, 2014 – 19:26

    David Ossitt@January 6th, 2014 – 16:30

    “Think we should quietly forget about middlesborough….”

    How can we? After Headingly it is the second home of Yorkshire Cricket.

  23. Ostrich (occasionally) January 6th, 2014 – 17:08

    “An ex-colleague of mine from the dark ages still refers to Barwick in Elmet as a ‘kingdom’.”

    He was correct, at the tender age of 22 years I purchased our first home (a brand new bungalow) it was in the Parish of Barwick in Elmet.

    Legend has it, that the Kings of Elmet were the only ones to stand up to the Danes and not pay Dane-gelt.

  25. Verity, January 6th, 2014 – 14:09

    1) http://www.klm.com/travel/gb_en/prepare_for_travel/travel_planning/pets/index.htm

    (NB. KLM does not operate FOKKERS on long haul flights so your cats should not freeze. )

    2) https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad
    see – ” Travelling within the EU (or into the EU from another ‘listed’ country)”
    Mexico is a non EU “listed country.”

    3) For an EU Pet Passport your cats will have to be micro-chipped, and you will have to provide vaccination certificates – for the cats, that is.

  26. I just received the following email from a friend which was complete with supporting links.

    “Here is the latest news on Fukushima! Please view videos see ASR map on affected areas, this has been confirmed as true & correct. The Pacific is dying and possibly will be affected for another 130 years. The nuclear reactor has melted through its core with extreme heat and is now melting into the earth. Its feared that when it reaches the ground water table separation of the water particles will create Hydrogen / oxygen gasses which will explode Sorry but this is not a nice fact it will affect us all and contaminate our food supply!”
    Please can the UN step in and take the handling of this disaster from the hands of the Japanese. This needs Professional care to avert further environmental damage, its bad enough now!

  28. Malfleur, January 6th, 2014 – 21:53

    “I just received the following email from a friend …..”
    “Please can the UN step in and take the handling of this disaster from the hands of the Japanese.”

    The UN step in ???
    That email wouldn’t by any chance be from Daniel “turdbine” Maris would it?
    🙂

    http://www.snopes.com/photos/technology/fukushima.asp
    (see December 2013)

  29. Alexsandr January 6th, 2014 – 20:33

    David Ossitt@January 6th, 2014 – 19:39

    “did you ever go and see St Marys chapel in Lead, near Saxton.”

    No this is one that I have missed but now I know of it, I will seek it out.

  30. Could anyone help me re my returning home with my three cats. My cousin, who I am convinced didn’t try very hard, said she couldn’t track down a hotel that accepted cats. I don’t mind, because we can board a train next day to my destination city, but after having caged in small cages and been cold for over 24 hours, they need to know they weren’t abandoned and will be with me.

    Both Glasgow and Edinburgh have an offhand website that gives you writing space of about 23 character and no space for a return address. Does anyone know of a hotel in Scotland that will accept three small, exhausted, cold and frightened cats? If I can’t find a home for them with me for a few nights while I look around for a house, I’m not coming over.

    It doesn’t have to be in Scotland. In fact, both the Scottish websites are quite snooty about not knowing where cats could be housed for a night. Very many thanks if you can help me over this awful, unnecessry hurdle.

  33. ACP (16:54).

    Great spoof! The ‘Wright-P[r]att was the giveaway.

    So now we know WBGTDWI. 🙂

    Good job JJB didn’t see Jeremy Clarkson’s North Atlantic Convoy doc tonight on BBC2, eh? Considered in conjunction with Diana West’s book “American Betrayal”, it could bring on an attack of palpitations.

    Makes me ask is there any point in old men fretting over yesterday’s cock-ups when young men are still planning tomorrow’s?

  35. EC
    January 6th, 2014 – 23:12

    Thanks for the antidote from snopes.com.

    The friend is shortly to take up a job with the UN, which may explain his appeal for the UN to take over from the Japanese…He is however a geologist, so I will await his response to the snopes link.

  37. Verity : 6 Jan at 23-39

    Hotels can be found at the link below [some at the airport] . For cats: use the search box at the top; put in the Town followed by `pet`( eg:glasgow pet) and the list should come up.

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk

  39. (Naughty Nurse post
    Verity
    January 6th, 2014 – 23:39)

    Sorry Verity, but you can’t bring pussy into the UK unless you are a bona fide Eastern European people smuggler or a demented little sheet-head. If you’re a Pakistani or African, of course, the pussy must first have been carved-up with a blunt razor blade by an Auntie.

    Suggest you don’t put “accompanied by Mexican pussies” on your Customs form!

    Good luck with all that.

  40. Malfleur 6th, – 21:53

    “The nuclear reactor has melted through its core with extreme heat and is now melting into the earth”

    Somebody’s been reading/watching “The China Syndrome”. 🙂

  41. Frank P @ 15:13

    Everyone assumes the killing happened for the reason of a bigoted religion, but nobody knows for sure. This is not to suggest the followers of Allah don’t look the most likely perpetrators of the atrocity, the motives, however, may have been different, the one who did it ensured the finger points at the religion of peace.

    But what can Baron figure the top cop cannot?

    Sultan’s as good as ever.

  42. EC @ 08:18

    The most enjoyable (and the longest) laugh for the barbarian so far this year. Thanks EC.

    PS: Malfleur, this has nothing to do with your admiration for the talker. Peace?

  43. Herbert Thornton @ 01:46

    On immigration whether here or in Russia: it breaks down roughly into two segments, that which is a part of the globalisation process, and that which is essentially cultural.

    As Baron argued before, the former we have to live with, the latter we should avoid.

  45. Here’s a piece of news that could make some of you envious, if only a little.

    Last Friday, Baron had a chat with Norman Tebbit, who was doing some shopping in the local Waitrose, an opportunity the barbarian couldn’t miss. Not much was said, mind, it was more the barbarian acknowledging what the great man did, expressing regret men like him no longer have the reins of power.

  46. EC @ 11:56

    That’s not for the first time a barber gets a gong. Baron remembers vaguely another one was rewarded before.

  47. Verity @ 23:39

    You don’t need our help, Verity, the airline will handle it. Each airline has different rules for shipping animals to different destinations, but you aren’t the first, or the only one to do it. Choose the airline, then ask them, they’ll tell you what’s the best way for your cats to travel, they may even allow a cage in the cabin if you have just a single cat, perhaps two, the contraption fits under the seat in front of you.

    If you don’t trust the airline ask a firm that specialises in shipping animals. Our advice may be of no use to you because, as Baron said before each airline has its own rules for each destination it goes to.

  50. From the vaults

    (Tag cloud: Phoebe Flood – Cats’ anuses – Firecracker – Chavs – Fred West – France)
    ___________________________
    EC
    May 6th, 2012 – 21:24

    Noa, May 6th, 2012 – 19:56
    “Strange days indeed.”

    Yes, Noa. This week, the story so far…

    It transpires that the ageing, fat, balding, amateur prize winning poet known as Fergus Pickering has an alter ego who is a young girl called Phoebe Flood.

    Meanwhile, there have been far too many posts about cats’ anuses. Coincidently, Verity’s cat who had to go the Vets after, presumably, getting a firecracker up its arse. We are still not sure which of them got the needle with the sedative as Verity is now talking to a chav called Cheryl who is not even here.

    The really good news? France is now fucked too!

  52. Herbert Thornton – 01:46 ‘Pravda’

    http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/01-01-2014/126534-european_socialism-0

    What an amazing first paragraph! Thank you! Who would have thought?

    It needs to be quoted in full:

    “Europe is moaning under the strong influx of immigrants, and the floodgates were opened by European socialists. A poisonous bite of suicidal tolerance has dulled the natural instinct of self-preservation of the European nations. In recent years, Euro-socialism has been trying to take root on the Russian soil, so far without much success. Does it have prospects in Russia?”

  53. EC – 13:11 ‘ French tyre-making factory workers riot’

    They really do need to get a grip, otherwise the factory will not be able to turn the corner.

  54. RobertC
    January 7th, 2014 – 15:36
    May their wheels turn square and crumble at the edges (Naughty Niece would substitute something else for wheels)

  55. Verity whilst visiting my youngest daughter I mentioned your plight in regard to your cats.

    She also has three cats; two permanent and one that she is temporally fostering.

    It is her opinion that the local ‘cat charity’ in whatever area you’re intending to de-camp to will be able to find them temporary foster homes, it is just an idea.

    Were the housing association links of any use?

  56. I’ve just come home from a festal lunch with a group of close friends and was surprised to discover that all of them had one or more licenced weapons in their homes, and had learned to use weapons in other countries while employed in dangerous places overseas for their own safety, and didn’t think my idea of purchasing Armoured Personnel Carriers was stupid!

  57. Andy Car Park @ 12:56

    Is Baron right thinking cats don’t feature on your list of favorite animals?

    Over on the James Delingpole blog Jim Blane is hitting the know it all progressives with some power. Here is what he has to say:

    Jim Blane: The West is in the death grip of this pop-cult of ideological mass conformism that is well funded and imposed by a vast interconnected network of self-replicating shadowy social change-agents from above who have been allowed to become the sole arbiters of morality and what we can hear, say, think and believe. 


    They decide where the boundaries and no-go zones of respectable discourse within the public sphere begin and end, and this denies Western societies the possibilty to self-correct in time to avoid calamities, because this is only possible if debate is allowed across the entire political, philosophical and ideological spectrum.

    
They make a charade of free speech and lively debate but keep within a very narrow spectrum. Political correctness is the default position of those who cannot think for themselves. It is a form of far more sophisticated tyranny and with better manners. 
It has its roots in the 60’s and 70’s anti-intellectual Western academia.

    An education in ignorance and undeserved and unearned malignant narcissism. They are intoxicated with their own virtu. 
The idea of linear history is very powerful. It is a kind of blind faith and religious in its essence.

    “Our generation are the chosen elite who have transcended to a higher state of consciousness and the next stage in mankind’s march towards social progress and the future, and the ongoing revolution and in a war against the old ideas that belong to some former barbarous age that the more enlightened among us have transcended.
    The future leads always to greater freedom, greater equality, liberation, understanding, technology, and yes there might be a few speed bumps along the way to the future Brotherhood of Man utopia ( John Lennon–Imagine ) to a point where mankind is redeemed from his imperfections and sin.”

  58. Peter from Maidstone @ 17:26

    Peter, tell us what would you do with the contraption? Ride it on the roads, keep it in trim in a shed? Hire it to farmers for pheasant shooting?

  59. Peter @17:26

    Licensed where? Even the British Olympic Shooting team have to travel abroad in order to train, don’t they?

  60. Has anyone seen on the evening ITV news the case of slavery here in Sheffield?, the three culprits who hit, kicked, maltreated a disabled man getting just 11 years in total? They will be out in fewer than 18 months? That’s punishment for long lasting, unceasing GBH and more in modern Britain. And we are shocked it’s going on. Arghhh

  61. EC January 7th, 2014 – 19:03

    Peter @17:26

    “Licensed where? Even the British Olympic Shooting team have to travel abroad in order to train, don’t they?”

    That is for hand-guns, pistols revolvers.

  65. Peter from Maidstone
    January 7th, 2014 – 20:12
    Baron, since we no longer have an Army I have wondered about reforming the Loyal Kentish Yeomanry and buying up Army surplus. What would happen if the French invaded again?
    They’d liberate us from the unwashed masses pouring in! Seriously, this government is quite insane, or rather criminally insane. They are all Quislings and should receive the traditional traitor’s punishment.

  66. Anne, how would the French liberate us? 19% of their population is immigrant – and increasing! And there are no conservatives in France nor recent tradition of conservatism. They have killed them all and are varieties of socialists.

  67. Peter from Maidstone
    January 7th, 2014 – 20:36
    Of course I was joking. But with my knowledge of French people, I have found that the ‘egalitarian’ citizens are actually more conservative than the so-called British tories. Also, if Marine Le Pen staged the revolution, things could be interesting!

  69. Baron, what an excellent comment from Jim Blane.

    This week, I was made aware of another of these ‘vast interconnected network of self-replicating shadowy social change-agents’.

    It’s a think tank (ho, ho, ho), called British Future (the chutzpah).

    Here is its description of itself (try not to laugh):

    “British Future is a new independent, non-partisan thinktank seeking to involve people in an open conversation, which addresses people’s hopes and fears about identity and integration, migration and opportunity, so that we feel confident about Britain’s Future.

    “We want to ensure that we engage those who are anxious about cultural identity and economic opportunity in Britain today, as well as those who already feel confident about our society, so that we can together identify workable solutions to make Britain the country we want to live in.”

    So you do your thinking through us!

    This ‘independent, non-partisan’ think tank is headed by a man who used to run the Fabian Society.

    To quote the excellent Jim Blane again: ‘They make a charade of free speech and lively debate but keep within a very narrow spectrum.’

    Too right.

    Because look on the pages about the leading figures and we find that rather than being independent and non-partisan, they all come from the continuum of LibLabCon mainstream pro-EU (and therefore pro-immigration) thinking.

    http://www.britishfuture.org/about/trustees/

    http://www.britishfuture.org/about/who-we-are/

    They are typified by Ian Birrell, who is so ‘independent’ he works for ‘Left’ and ‘Right’ mainstream news rags and for David Cameron as a speechwriter.

    This is why David Cameron tells the British public he’s interested in a referendum and why Time magazine – with its mainly American readership – shoved him on the front cover with the headline ‘The Good European’.

    Time magazine – a Bible of bien pensant thought – knows damn well the Tory party – with whatever leader – won’t let them down.

    Back to British Future (I can’t get over the chutzpah of that name from a bunch of LibLabCon genocidists). This is a career CV that typifies the “vast interconnected network of self-replicating shadowy social change-agents” that “make a charade of free speech and lively debate but keep within a very narrow spectrum”:

    “Ian Birrell has worked at the top level of national newspapers for more than two decades, holding senior positions at The Sunday Times, Daily Mail and Sunday Express before becoming deputy editor of The Independent for 12 years.

    “He is now contributing editor of the Daily Mail and a leading columnist whose articles have been published in The Economist, The Financial Times, The Times, The Guardian, The Observer, the London Evening Standard, The Daily Telegraph, The Sunday Telegraph, The Mail on Sunday, Prospect and The Spectator.

    “He is also a seasoned foreign reporter, who has reported from Egypt, Libya, Syria, Pakistan and Somaliland, among other countries in recent months.

    “Additionally, Ian worked for David Cameron during last year’s general election campaign as a speechwriter.

    “He is also co-founder of Africa Express, a successful social enterprise that brings together musicians from around the world and promotes African music.

    “He is married with two children, the youngest of whom has profound and multiple learning difficulties.”

    And although there’s a list of funders, they in and of themselves are very opaque in terms of finding out how they themselves are funded:

    http://www.britishfuture.org/about/funders/

  71. “…What would happen if the French invaded again?”

    In true British fashion they would be invited by the benefits, social and welfare services to form an orderly queue behind the 12 million migrants who precede them.

  72. I have just had to abandon watching Nick Robinson’s “The Truth About Immigration” on BBC2 due to rising blood pressure. So many lies, half truths and skewed statistics.

  73. EC
    January 7th, 2014 – 22:07
    Exactly !!!! Watching that drivel, I shout BRING ON LE PEN! (And I am not even a supporter)

  74. “I see that David Cameron has given his hairdresser an MBE for services to hairdressing. Shameless. Appalling. Infuriating. We need a new honours system.”

    The electors will give Mr Cameron the ‘haircuts’ he deserves this year and next.

  76. Dipping into the Diary of Samuel Pepys, I find that in his circle in London in early 1659 roast turkey and turkey pie seems to have been eaten as frequently as beef and mutton. No recipes by the way. The “foodie” does not seem to have been invented. Usually references are to slabs of meat, pints of ale or wine, and the meals proceeding “merrily”. But what’s with all the turkey?

  77. Because I am in the US, I am unable to watch Nick Robinson’s propaganda documentary on immigration until I can see it on YouTube or similar, but I don’t know if I can watch it, because I already know it will be a lie.

    Apologies for repeating this quote, but it is key.

    It is central to understanding how the media and stealth politics work: ‘They make a charade of free speech and lively debate but keep within a very narrow spectrum.’

    If you control the framework, then all you need to do is put the charade in the frame and pretend you’re having a debate.

    Don’t look outside the frame.

    And that is what they call the magic of mainstream media.

    What has happened in Britain is that as the people have finally woken up, the BBC have been rumbled by more and more people.

    Its power as a propaganda tool has been blunted and it must try to regain this by doing a LibLabCon faux apology.

    That is why Nick Robinson has made this documentary: ‘Sorry. Didn’t mean to. It was all mistake. Tell you what. Can we have that debate now? Eh? How’s about that. We’re all friends, aren’t we. No. We’re absolutely not extending the fraud. No. Definitely not.’

    What a load of xxxx.

    What is making the BBC and all the other mainstream outlets poop their pants is that people are no longer listening.

    Look at what has happened to the Tory party.

    Nobody listens.

    Because it is lie after lie after lie.

    Decade after decade.

    The crucial thing the BBC needs to get back is the old fraud: Have the debate here.

    On OUR terms.

    We’ll construct the panels of the political shows. We’ll say who we go hard on and who we go soft on. We will say who will be interviewed live and who we will record and edit.

    And we will say who gets the last word.

    And you see it in the pages of the Shariagraph, Spitvator and Mail.

    Writers such as Douglas Murray and Peter Hitchens are used – wittingly or unwittingly – to act as shock absorbers and audience grabbers.

    But the view of the owners of those papers is not that of Peter Hitchens and Douglas Murray.

    Indeed, those owners are so powerful and in cahoots with the mainstream parties that the world would be a very different place if they held those views.

    The Daily Mail has spent the past six months writing up ‘stories’ on UKIP handed to it by Lynton Crosby’s PR lackeys.

    The point – again – is you can have the debate.

    On OUR terms.

    We say who is branded extremist. We decide who to go hard and soft on.

    We say what can and cannot be put in the Comments section. We say when we can close the comments sections.

    Put these mainstream media outlets together and you have one continuum telling lies.

    Pure lies and propaganda.

    Look outside their frame and you start finding the truth.

  78. Baron January 7th, 2014 – 19:04

    “Has anyone seen on the evening ITV news the case of slavery here in Sheffield?, the three culprits who hit, kicked, maltreated a disabled man getting just 11 years in total?”

    And of this total the woman only got months, it should have been ten years each.

  79. The first thing that has to be on the agenda of any non LibLabCon gernment has to be a law re-introducing free speech (which is just about what protects us here in the US) and the abolition of all thought crimes:

    ‘Last week Liberty GB radio host, Tim Burton, was charged by West Midlands Police with racially aggravated harassment, after his post on Twitter described a prominent individual as “a mendacious grievance-mongering taqiyya-artist”.

    ‘The delicate flower who needs defending from such criticism is none other than Mr Fiyaz Mughal OBE, founder of the Tell Mama organisation, who in June 2013 was revealed as a deceiver by Telegraph journalist Andrew Gilligan.’

    http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6218-liberty-gb-radio-host-charged-with-hate-crime

  80. I wonder how much taxpayers money goes to British Future.

    It was once explained to me by someone familiar with the system.

    It’s a bit like the three cups and ball with the magician.

    The ball represents taxpayers’ money.

    A big taxpayer grant goes off to a big charity the public still haven’t realised yet has been duping them for the past couple of decades.

    Think RSPCA, Oxfam etc.

    Then – first sleight of hand – the money gets down the ladder to another, smaller organisation allegedly doing good.

    But they won’t spend it, because that’s too tracable.

    So, one more sleight of hand. It can go from the second organisation to the third, a think tank, say.

    And none of that money is easily linked backed to the taxpayers it was stolen from.

    And all the Common Purposers in that three-strong chain all took their cut in mega-salary – thank you, dumbo taxpayer – and get to push their Fabian agenda.

    Trebles all round.

  81. 12 Years A Slave review

    The thread below has a review of 12 Years A Slave, the propaganda film Hollywood has bust a gut to be awarded Oscars.

    This review is the like of which you will not see in any mainstream media outlet.

    I reproduce it here in full in case the review is deleted.

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41/politics/stupidity-bigotry-12-years-slave-1387928/

    The stupidity and bigotry of “12 Years a Slave”

    Saw the movie.

    Hands down the most hateful, racist piece of demonizing propaganda I’ve ever seen. This film is Birth of a Nation with the races flipped, and Steve McQueen is just Herman Goebbels with better production values.

    But lol at anyone thinking this movie is about slavery. There’s plenty of slavery in the world today, if someone wants to make a movie about it, that’s where they should go.

    When Hollywood makes movies about past events, it’s always still about NOW.

    Yes, it will get applause from around the world because people around the world hate white Americans, and this movies feeds off that. If you could make a movie demonizing Jews, and lots of people applauded it, would that make it a great movie? Really?

    I hear it’s about dealing with America’s legacy of slavery. How? How does this movie do that? What does that idea even mean? It isn’t creating any discussion. What’s to discuss? Slavery, in all the many places it arose in the world, committed by all kinds of people upon all kinds of people (including by Africans upon Europeans), is bad. Yes. Brilliant observation. THERE’S NOTHING TO DISCUSS. Except that is still exists in Africa and Asia, but the filmmaker didn’t want to deal with that because the bad guys might be brown.

    The filmmaker takes no chances with this film. He picks on the weakest people in American media–southern Christian whites–and condemns (drum roll) … slavery. Wow, he condemns slavery. Really going out on a limb with that one. I suppose he thinks there are people walking around thinking slavery is good, but they’ll see this movie and change their mind? Again, LOL at anyone thinking this movie is about slavery.

    America does have a legacy of slavery, from which white Americans still suffer (this film epitomizes that suffering). Slavery was the worst thing to ever happen to this country, no doubt. We all wish it had never happened, we all know we’d be so much better off it if hadn’t. We have higher taxes and crime because of it, and always will.

    Black Americans, otoh? They still benefit from the legacy of slavery. Their ancestors paid the price, and now African Americans live much longer, have a lot more money, more power, more education, much more of everything, because they’re here instead of Africa. America is so great, Africans all want to move here. And those who do love it. But Hollywood won’t make a movie about how America is the greatest place in the history of the world for blacks to live.

    You know what you call black people who don’t get to grow up around whites? Haitian.

    You know what you call black people who DO get to grow up around whites? Mr. President.

    The vast majority of white people in America are not even descended from slave owners. Most of us are descended from people who came here after the Civil War. Of those descended from pre-Civil War immigration, most are descended from Northerners (I am; I have multiple Civil War Northern veterans in my Pennsylvania ancestry). Of those descended from pre-Civil War southerners, most are descended from those too poor to own slaves.

    So for what exactly are we supposed to feel guilty? Slavery developed in Africa, spread to Europe, which brought it to America and we’ve been suffering from it ever since. Awesome. And this movie is, what, dealing with that truth in some magical way?

    Movies are visual mediums. This movie’s visual emphasis is on people of one color being violent toward people of another color. That’s it. That’s all anyone will take out of it. Emotionalistic hate.

    Why? Why make such a hateful, mean-spirited film? What could it accomplish? White guilt for crimes they didn’t commit? Black anger for crimes they didn’t suffer?

    But self-hating whites will trip over themselves to applaud it (and the legions of bigots around the world who also hate white Americans will applaud it).

    The reviews? Awesome. But a sign of fear: no one, NO ONE, is allowed to condemn this movie. Oppose this film and your career as a film critic is over. So, no opposition. Ask me in public what I think of it and I’ll probably say, “Great. Best movie ever!!!!” What choice would I have? But what does it say about our society that we don’t have freedom of speech on this issue? White people can have their careers destroyed for admitting to using the n-word 40 years ago. We’re whipped and we know it. Never mind that there are ZERO blacks who don’t say hillbilly, cracker, redneck, white boy, etc; never mind the hypocrisy of African Americans, who are by far the most bigoted Americans.

    The reviews, the public commentary, are all positive. How can that be? How can a film like this generate no controversy? Because there’s no freedom of speech about it. Because there’s no diversity of opinion allowed about it. Hell, there won’t even be any diversity of opinion allowed here. I’ll be lynched, no doubt. Lucky for me the rope will be in the form of internet hate only.

    In truth the film is slow, predictable, cliched, torture porn. Black people, after watching it, talk about how much it makes them hate whites. White people, after watching it, talk about how much they hate themselves.

    That’s what this film is about: generating hate. That makes the world a better place?

    Oh, and about the “truth.” Yes, slavery happened. Everywhere to everyone. We are all descended from slaves, and slave owners. All of us.

    But why focus on this aspect of slavery?

    Think of it this way: every year, more than a thousand whites will be murdered by blacks. About 50,000 white women will be raped (speaking of slavery’s legacy). That’s all true, yet we don’t make movies about this violence, even though it’s happening right now.

    Why? Why the rule that no movies be made about black on white violence? Why isn’t “it’s true” a reason to make movies about black on white violence?

    And suppose the only movies made about race were about black on white violence. After a while, people would think, “Wow, blacks are all racist, violent animals, and whites are innocent angels.” Which would be a stupid view.

    Yet we do this in reverse, with Hollywood films on race. We only talk about white on black violence, slavery, bigotry, etc.

    In truth, it’s very, very rare to find black people who think bigotry is wrong. Black people think it’s wrong for whites to be bigoted–white people agree with them–but no one thinks it’s wrong for blacks to be bigoted.

    Instead, we all think it’s great that black racist idiots like Steve McQueen make demonizing propaganda films. Awesome. The guy has made three films (I’ve seen them). All, ultimately, have the same theme: how evil, disgusting and pathetic white people are.

    And no, I won’t reappear in this thread. I know full well how narrow-minded liberals are when it comes to their hatred for Christian white Americans (I’m not one, btw; I’m not Christian, I’m not southern, I’m not conservative or Republican, I voted for Obama and still support him, and for the record, my children are brown, thank God.)

    “12 Years a Slave” is the single greatest feat in troll history. It is the ultimate troll film. No one here will ever surpass it for trollness, but we may as well have a thread in which trolls can express their love for it.

  82. Indeed, I think there has been so much black on white violence in past decades, Hollywood has retreated to the old narrative of US slavery shows whitey is bad (which was lie anyway, but it’s a narrative that has gained acceptance) to cover up what is actually going on in the present.

    I hope no-one pays money to watch this anti-white racist trash.

  83. David Ossitt 16:42 – My cats have had their vaccinations and they each have a cat issued by a licensed veterinarian. I can’t think why should have any problem entering the country, except officiousness which clings with tight, frantic fists any chance of hanging on to a smidgen of power over other people.

  85. If Verity’s Mexican cats are to be productive members of our hardworking feline family we should, as an open and tolerant society, welcome them; they will have much to contribute to our community of aging and, let’s face it, otherwise lazy and obese domestic cats. It would be the right thing to do in a one nation pet society.

    If, however, these alien felines are immigrating just to seek handouts, they are not welcome, particularly if they plan to congregate in unsavoury alley gangs, attack native birds, deposit disagreeable taco-redolent, refried bean waste on our streets, groom vulnerable kittens, demand special privileges and insist on annoying our indigents with a bestial version of the so-called ‘Mexican Wave’ which, while acceptable in a Tijuana cathouse, is not conducive to community cohesion in Stow-on-the-Wold.

    So, yes, a wary bienvenido to Pedro and Juanita.

  86. Verity@January 8th, 2014 – 04:23

    We have these regulations to ensure we don’t allow nast diseases to be imported into the UK, like Rabies. I understand why you want to bring your moggies here, but I think calling our control ‘officiousness’ is helpful.
    Read the regulations and abide by them to the letter and you will be fine.

  87. Alexsandr
    January 8th, 2014 – 08:52
    Naturally we must be careful and not introduce rabies or other diseases into this country. Would that the officials were as particular when two-legged creatures come here. TB is now rampant in parts of the country where aliens have entered. Many not only spit on the streets, but many work in the food industries which is a danger in itself. TB is not the only disease, AIDS, snf many other illnesses are all brought here without legal restraint.

  91. In the early hours of Jan 1, Andrew Scott Boguslawski was pulled over for speeding on I70, west of Columbus, Ohio. Police found two pistols, two rifles, 48 explosive devices and tools and materials to make additional explosives inside his vehicle.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1191920/indiana-speeding-driver-had-bombs-in-car

    Boguslawski? In addition to the Second and Fifth amendments he has a name and a defence rolled into one. But will that stand up in court, Austin Barry?

  92. Last night, around half ten, the ‘phone rang. A subdued, little, slightly stunned voice announced, “I’ve just delivered a baby.” Yes, my second grandson has just entered this world. It was a home delivery, with all the support and no unnecessary interference from the NHS…OK, the baby appeared before the midwife arrived, but that was ‘cos she’d been called late…this morning everything’s going fine…public services at their best!

  93. Alexsandr
    January 8th, 2014 – 10:01
    Anne Wotana Kaye 1@January 8th, 2014 – 09:32
    and influenza
    It’s a”those buggers, home-grown as well as aliens, who sneeze and cough into the air, and wipe their dripping noses between thumb and finger 🙁

  99. EC
    January 8th, 2014 – 12:07
    Have the Northern Gits found out that Verity may be on route to the Highlands with 3 moggies? With a name like Alex Salmon the pussies will have his guts for garters.

  100. Alex Boot’s interesting and exciting book – How the future worked – describing his life in the Soviet Union is now available from RoperPenberthy Publishing. Let me recommend it most highly. I have enjoyed it immensely and have learned much more about life in Russia during the 20th century than through any other source.

    You can purchase it at the following address…

    http://www.roperpenberthy.co.uk/index.php/browse-books/political/how-the-future-worked-russia-through-hte-eyes-of-a-young-non-person.html

  101. 12 Years an Onanist

    In the greatest Southern Baptist film since ‘Gone with the Wind’, down-home, thigh-slappin’, foot-tappin’ white racist John Jefferson ‘Yessiree’ Burns sits at his computer terminal, belittling British miliary victories, proclaiming Devon the capital of Cornwall and a-chompin’ on his big cigar.

    Starring John Jefferson Burns as himself, Verity’s cat as Michelle Obama and Steve McQueen as the dustman. Plus a cast of thousands parading around and bumping into each other with pillow cases over their heads.

  102. Anyone near Nottingham tonight
    Come along and I will shake you by the hand

    Wednesday 8th January 2014
    Pub Poetry – Open Mic Comic Lit
    We don’t believe in a rough start to the year – come to Pub Poetry and take in a bit of comic culture in the comfort of a real ale pub. There’s beer, spoken word and a limerick competition (legendary prizes) plus an evolving segment of improvising beat poetry.

    Fun, Free and Informal

    Bring your own poems, short stories, songs – whatever you have, as long as it involves words and might be funny. If you don’t want to read your own, bring someone else’s. Or just listen, have a drink and a giggle and meet some new folk.

    There’s no need to book a slot in advance to perform but feel free to contact Nick with any queries at pubpoetry@nottscomedyfestival.co.uk (or comment below)

    Starts at 8pm with periods of reading, drinking and writing limericks. All jolly good fun. See you there!

    We’ll have some poetry books lying around, so should the urge take you…

    Price: Free

    The Canalhouse
    Canal Street
    Nottingham NG1 7EH

  103. JJB.
    Devon is a county adjacent to Cornwall. The Celts were not driven there by the Saxons, they arrived about a thousand years before the Saxons reached these shores, nor did the Saxons penetrate into Cornwall any more than they did into Wales or Scotland.

  104. Andy Carpark 13:19 – “Verity’s cat as Michelle Obama” …. HOW DARE YOU?? HOW VERY, VERY DARE YOU!!!!!!!

  105. Alexandr 4:23 – I do abide by rules. Your cats and dogs have to have a pet passport now, with its medical history written in it and the date of its latest rabies injection and the name of the veterinarian and clinic where it was administered.

    What the hell more do they want, The pet even has to go back a few days later for a blood test before it is issued its pet passport. They’re cleaner and healthier than the human immigrant garbage that comes over to check into the NHS.

  106. AWK1 – I am keeping a keen eye on Marine Le Pen. I think she has what it takes, and that includes the will to fight the Left to the wall.

  107. Verity January 8th, 2014 – 04:23
    “David Ossitt 16:42 – My cats have had their vaccinations and they each have a cat issued by a licensed veterinarian. I can’t think why should have any problem entering the country, except officiousness which clings with tight, frantic fists any chance of hanging on to a smidgen of power over other people.”

    Verity I am confused, in my post at 16.42 I was merely making a suggestion as to how you might be able to foster out your cats until you are settled into your new home.

    I also enquired as to whether the links that I gave to housing associations had you helped in any way.

  108. There was an old poet called Fergus
    Who laid down the law like Lycurgus.
    But he was so weird
    With a chive in his beard
    That his views were ascribed to Asperger’s.

  109. More hand-wringing because a black was killed by a white. But still no air-time or acres of column-inches about the hundreds of blacks killed in this country by blacks. Do all grieving black mothers not deserve equal respect and pity? What about a bit of air-time for the mothers of white children murdered and raped by non-whites?
    The BBC may be talking about immigration but their journalists are still nothing but Pravda hacks pursuing a malicious racist agenda.

    And congratulations to O(o). The world needs as many little ostriches as your brood can hatch, but I was surprised you needed the services of a mid-wife, wouldn’t a sharp tap with a big spoon on the top of the egg have done trick?

  110. A. C. P. at 16-55.

    `There was an old poet called Fergus
    Who laid down the law like Lycurgus`

    Funny you should say that :except, though it rhymes,I suspect you have the wrong ancient Greek.His are more licentious,I suspect.

    It isn’t for me to `out` him;but I will say:-

    Fergus Pickering-

    I know thee for who thy art.

  112. Andy Car Park

    “Starring John Jefferson Burns as himself, Verity’s cat as Michelle Obama and Steve McQueen as the dustman.”

    Continuing the egg theme Steve McQueen ate a great many in his role as Cool Hand Luke Play, showing he was a natural for his later role as the dectective, Bullitt, in the film of the same name.
    A legendary actor, who inflicted no pretentious, tendentious verse on the world before his exit.
    Surely his return as a director is premature?

  113. Noa January 8th, 2014 – 21:11

    “Continuing the egg theme Steve McQueen ate a great many in his role as Cool Hand Luke.”

    ? Paul Newman surely.

  114. David Ossitt – 23:33

    “…Steve McQueen ate a great many in his role as Cool Hand Luke.”

    “…? Paul Newman surely.” Doh! You’re right of course, the yolk’s on me..

    Still, is that any reason to call me Shirley?

  115. January 8th, 2014 – 23:51
    Under the yoke of slavery….. (I can’t spell)!

  116. With the Duggan verdict, the Police should now be removed from the streets – they are the problem now, even though they acted correctly and removed an armed criminal from society to a place where he can do no further damage to the innocent.

    The Police (many of whom are inept idiots (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535945/Thames-Valley-PCSO-pulled-driver-arrested-High-Wycombe.html) should be replaced with heavily armed troops to discourage rioting and defend people and property. Unrest and violence must be met with extreme force. The usual subjects, starting with the vile Abbot, should be rounded up, placed before special courts and isolated from society. Section 5 is abused against patriots often enough – let these seditious socialists feel what it is like to have their ‘rights’ properly abused. The BBC should be shut down if it insists on following its usual stance that only right-wing white people can be wrong.

    All should be equal before the law. Duggan had a gun, was a criminal and a low-life. Just because he had a touch-of-the-tar brush about him doesn’t change that and in no way justifies rioting and disorder.

    The government must act to take control otherwise anarchy will prevail. And the lefties and blacks (and other ethnics) will find they like that system far less than the one they abuse and exploit now)

  117. “Q. How do you make a fruit cordial?
    A. Be nice to him……. or else!”

    “The Age of Intolerance: The forces of “tolerance” are intolerant of anything less than full-blown celebratory approval. ”

    http://nationalreview.com/article/366896/age-intolerance-mark-steyn

    I missed some very good stuff from Mark Steyn over the “festive” period.

    The above article is very closely linked to this:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/366943/re-education-camp-mark-steyn

    and this (Jan 7):

    http://www.steynonline.com/6004/steyn-i-told-you-so-moment

    Read together these articles (and links) are very informative about demise of the 1st Amendment the continual erosion of the the US Constitution in general.

  119. The News, David Cameron etc.
    It’s all very depressing, isn’t it?
    I think I might buy a bike and take up cycling…

  120. Perhaps we should tell the black community that if they stop killing, robbing,being gangsters ,drug dealers, having no insurance on their BMWs (seems to me that’s always added to all the other offences) abandoning their children ,looting at any provocation , and any other anti social activity you can think of.
    Then we can treat them as normal people.

  123. Just thinking about the tone of Cur Ian Blair’s voice on ‘Today’, this morning.

    Aren’t all emollients based on grease of some form? 🙂

  124. EC @ 08:33

    The great Mark Steyn is in this week’s issue of the Spectator, yup, the London Spectator, it’s either epiphany for Fraser, or he (Fraser) might have imbibed too much over the Christmas period.

    But, but but the free version of Mark’s stab at the frozen warm warriors on the stranded ship has been removed, you can only get the magazine version and that’s tucked in behind a pay wall. Still, when Baron checked late last night (he got back before midnight), the piece attracted around a hundred comments withhin few hours.

    If you know how to sneak in it’s worth dong, a great piece. Here’s a bit from it:

    Mark Steyn: “But unlike you flying off to visit your Auntie Mabel for a week, it’s all absolutely vital and necessary. In the interests of saving the planet, IPCC honcho Rajendra Pachauri demands the introduction of punitive aviation taxes and hotel electricity allowances to deter the masses from travelling, while he flies 300,000 miles a year on official ‘business’ and research for his recent warmographic novel in which a climate activist travels the world bedding big-breasted women who are amazed by his sustainable growth. (Seriously: ‘He removed his clothes and began to feel Sajni’s body, caressing her voluptuous breasts.’ But don’t worry; every sex scene is peer-reviewed.) No doubt his next one will boast an Antarctic scene: Is that an ice core in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me?”

  125. O(o) @09:50

    That depends.
    Alternatively, as I’ve found to my cost, it’s:
    Bother Money & Worry!
    8D
    I tried parking mine in a Bidonville underground car park on a number of occasions before Christmas but, alas, it wasn’t sporty enough to get nicked.

  126. Fergus Pickering @ 13:51

    Nottingham? By far too north for the barbarian, Fergus, you move a couple of inches south, Baron will come to hear your offerings.

    So, how did the evening go? Any limerick you can share with us? Like ‘a usage that’s seldom got right/ is when to say shit, and when shite/ and many a chap/ call back on crap/ which is vulgar,xxx and trite’. (Baron’s memory doesn’t work well this morning, hence xxx, sorrry, this is one of Conquest’s limericks)

  127. Thanks, Baron.
    It might appear that Fraser is still taking the warmists’ shilling and he got the article spiked after all. The link from [ http://www.steynonline.com/ ] to the Speccie was working this morning but not now.

    However, the techies at the Speccie only removed the link to page 1. The rest of the article is available here:
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9112201/ship-of-fools-2/

    Just in case that disappears too:

    Mark Steyn: Global warming’s glorious ship of fools
    Has there ever been a better story? It’s like a version of Titanic where first class cheers for the iceberg (Mark Steyn – 11 January 2014 ?)

    Yes, yes, just to get the obligatory ‘of courses’ out of the way up front: of course ‘weather’ is not the same as ‘climate’; and of course the thickest iciest ice on record could well be evidence of ‘global warming’, just as 40-and-sunny and a 35-below blizzard and 12 degrees and partly cloudy with occasional showers are all apparently manifestations of ‘climate change’; and of course the global warm-mongers are entirely sincere in their belief that the massive carbon footprint of their rescue operation can be offset by the planting of wall-to-wall trees the length and breadth of Australia, Britain, America and continental Europe.

    But still: you’d have to have a heart as cold and unmovable as Commonwealth Bay ice not to be howling with laughter at the exquisite symbolic perfection of the Australasian Antarctic Expedition ‘stuck in our own experiment’, as they put it. I confess I was hoping it might all drag on a bit longer and the cultists of the ecopalypse would find themselves drawing straws as to which of their number would be first on the roasting spit. On Douglas Mawson’s original voyage, he and his surviving comrade wound up having to eat their dogs. I’m not sure there were any on this expedition, so they’d probably have to make do with the Guardian reporters. Forced to wait a year to be rescued, Sir Douglas later recalled, ‘Several of my toes commenced to blacken and fester near the tips.’ Now there’s a man who’s serious about reducing his footprint.

    But alas, eating one’s shipmates and watching one’s extremities drop off one by one is not a part of today’s high-end eco-doom tourism. Instead, the ice-locked warmists uploaded chipper selfies to YouTube, as well as a self-composed New Year singalong of such hearty un-self-awareness that it enraged even such party-line climate alarmists as Andrew Revkin, the plonkingly earnest enviro-blogger of the New York Times. A mere six weeks ago, pumping out the usual boosterism, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation reported that, had Captain Scott picked his team as carefully as Professor Chris Turney, he would have survived. Sadly, we’ll never know — although I’ll bet Captain Oates would have been doing his ‘I am going out. I may be some time’ line about eight bars into that New Year number.

  128. It may well be Fraser wanted the Steyn’s piece to act as a bait, you know, to lure people to subscribe to the rag, but the more plausible explanation offers itself: the piece attracted a massive influx of contributors within hours, some quite juicy, hence it had to be removed.

    How does this behaviour square with Fraser’s bashing his chest, shouting ‘we’re in favour of the freedom of expression bla bla bla’

  129. Baron,

    If Frasier has ever expressed any meaningful opinions about AGW, or indeed Neathergate, then I must have missed them. I don’t know who owns the Aussie Spectator but I thought that Mark Steyn had been PNG at the UK edition of the rag for a number of years now.

  130. Does anyone know of a hotel that would take three cats after a trans-Mexico, trans-Atlantic flight. Now, despite all the microchipping pet passports signed by a vet that they were of any communicable disease, Britain seems to have returned to rhe quarantine law and subjecting the animals not just to a twelve hour flight and its attendant plane changes and waiting in holds, etc., but the quarantine gangsters seem to have won out. Does anyone know the facts here? I can’t come home unless they can come out of the airport with me, as they can everywhere else in the world.

    Can anyone help? I want to come home but cannot subject my animals to waits in holds in airports then put on the runway up to the cargo hold, not knowing what was happening to them – for 12 hours – and then not be allowed out of the hotel to come to a hotel or boarding house with their owner.

    It’s not like this in France, on a whole continent, and Britain is a little island with no rabies.

    Can anyone help, or I can not return.

    V

  131. The Government, yes I know that is a contradiction in terms, says it is to address the problem of electoral fraud, to which I say, what took the bastards so long? It’s not as if the security services can not have been aware of what is going on. There was a piece on the breakfast news on this subject the other day, the reporter was practically under my window, and talking about the alleged, yes alleged electoral fraud in Tower Hamlets. Everyone in the borough knows full well what is going on, those involved do not even take the trouble to try and keep things a secrete. The outcome of elections here are decided by clan chiefs in Bangladesh and the locals vote as they are bid. I could name names but that would probably result in Peter getting into trouble, and that is not something that anyone here wants. But why is it that complete strangers can come to this country and be handed the vote? that is a privilege for which our ancestors fought for over centuries and should be jealously guarded.

  132. Verity
    January 9th, 2014 –
    Frankly, Verity, I cannot srr why you want to return. What you are experiencing is just one small detail of the regime now running this country. Actually it has been running it for several decades. May I offer you a little advice? Things and places are never the same as we imagine them. Why not take a pilot trip alone here, for say a month and see what it really is like now. You can never recapture the past, and we don’t know the reasons why you want to return here now. Only you can analyse your reasons.
    Place your pets with a good cattery or trusted friend, and come here with open eyes and see exactly what you would find by returning here. Maybe France or Italy would be better, but that is entirely up to you.

  134. Latest in the lunatic history of England. Some dumb cow, head of a quango, naturally, has said that children should be discouraged from hugging their grandparents on the grounds that such actions could give out the wrong sexual signals. What sick mind could come up with such tosh? Of course this woman is typical of the liberal elite which is successfully throttling the spirit of our nation, the type of individual who gets paid a fortune for talking shite on the television and writing it in the Guardian. Is there no one out there with both the courage and the honesty to tell these clowns to bugger of and grow up?

  135. Verity at 13-39.

    There are hotels that take cats at most airports.

    Go to the link below.In the search box at the top of the page type in the Town and the word pet (eg. glasgow pet ).A list should come up.

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk

  137. Radford Nf – Thank you and I went to the link and nothing about prices or pets came up. I find that advertisers on the internet are offering less and less information on their sites, and more hype.

    Stephen Mayvberry, thank you and I think Ann goes give good advice. It´’s a 12 hour trip for pets in the hold, and then to be taken away from their owner and put in a kennel would just be unbearable.

    You are right, AWK, France is far pleasanter to live in. I lived there for two years and curse the day I left. Rents are very high, though. But Coffee Housers have convinced me that you can’t go home again.

  138. stephen maybery – 14:31
    Verity.
    Anne and Stephen give good advice. I concur. Otherwise it is close to burning your boats.

  140. Verity@January 9th, 2014 – 14:46
    Hows this for a plan. Come to France, take a short let. Settle in with moggies. The take short trips to the UK to se if you like it.
    but france has very high taxes. There is always the waloon part of Belgium. Some nice bits just over the border from france.
    Dinant is nice.
    And while there check out rocroi just over the border in France

  142. stephen maybery – 14.26

    Yet at the same time it’s exactly these sort of sickos who want to reduce the age of consent and then reduce it more and then abolish it. The same sickos who teach 5 year olds the joys of perverted sex acts, and who sanction 12 year old girls being issued with contraceptive pills and sanction abortions both without parents knowledge or consent.

    The purpose of the Left is only anarchy and perversion. The opprobrium dumped on good decent people with views and a way of life that has been the most successful and fulfilling ever should be thrown back in their malicious faces. Given the kind of comments seen on MSM websites, perhaps at long last the tide is turning.

  143. stephen maybery – 14.26

    Lucy Emmerson, co-ordinator of the Sex Education Forum. is the deranged sex pervert who earns a living publishing such shite. No doubt a frien of Harriet Harman who is a founder member of the cabal of female pervs.

  144. Cop a load of this for some complete and utter boll*x on the causes of the Duggan riots. Comments, needless to say, are closed, though the Speccie is still open to comment on its Duggan piece.

  145. Verity some here would have you believe that England is no longer a country that is worth living in, I totally disagree.

    Yes there are some areas that are less than perfect and some that are unbelievably squalid but these are the exceptions.

    If you steer clear of Greater London and most of the major cities you will find that England is delightful, the further north you go you will find the cost of living is much less than in the south.

    If you were to ask me to suggest just one town I would suggest ‘Harrogate’ the gateway to the dales a town that can still be described as genteel.

    Go for it.

  146. Baron
    January 9th, 2014 – 11:13

    “How does this behaviour square with Fraser’s bashing his chest, shouting ‘we’re in favour of the freedom of expression bla bla bla’”

    Fraser has become particularly sensitive to comments recently.

    I was banned from any further comments on the Speccie site by simply noting on his Christmas post featuring a wartime information film of 1940 England getting ready for the festivities under threat of invasion by commenting:

    “ Poignant and melancholic: a plangent threnody for a vanished England.
    The invader came alright – but it wasn’t the Germans.”

    This anodyne observation was immediately removed and I can no longer post any comment on the site.

    The irony of Mr Freedom of Expression banning free expression is sadly amusing.

  147. Baron
    It was a raucous evening.
    Most of us sunk deeper and deeper into Doom Bar such that any poetry passed me by.
    Other than of course to say there were a few laughs to be had at the expense of Clegg and Miliballs.
    Talking of which I hear Clegg has been cosying up to Ed Balls.

  148. Austin Barry @ 17:10

    Sad to hear you’ve got banned, Austin, you’re one of the few making intelligent, to the point and enjoyably hard biting postings. Baron had a few postings ‘moderated’, too, nothing appeared ever later. Have patience though, no reign lasts forever, he’ll come a cropper one day, the Left will never forgive him for taking the old Australian’s shilling, his trying to appease them is a deadly mistake.

  149. David Ossitt @ 17:06

    Seconded, David, in what other country could one find people like those contributing here? Frank, Austin, Peter……

  150. Baron
    January 9th, 2014 – 19:25
    Guess what? I got banned ages ago. we happy few,

  151. Yeah, I got banned too. But it’s easy enough to open another account and post again. I just can’t be bothered any more. I think the Spectator is part of a distraction technique. Get people annoyed, allow them a limited voice, and they aren’t doing the things that could be done to bring about a conservative non-violent revolution.

  152. Anyone heartily sick of hearing from or about ‘community leaders’ who are these people? have they been elected? who do they think they speak for?
    and as for lammay. what a fool. a court had studied the evidence and come to a verdict. so what gives him the right to sound off because the verdict isnt politically convenient for him. bloody disgrace.

  153. IRISHBOY @ 15:10

    Mencken once quipped ‘democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance’. It sounds witty all right, but may put people off the set-up except that it’s the best we can have, and weird as it may sound it delivers. It will deliver again, Irishboy, the tide will turn, and it will be ashock to the manipulators of the human soul.

    Patience, that’s all we need. The tossers got where they are bit by bit, we have to aim for the same, an inch by inch reclaiming of everything that once made this country great, the envy of the world.

  154. Fergus Pickering @ 17:53

    OK, Fergus, so give us a limerick, please. The wittiest of the evening.

  155. Verity, the saga of the your cat’s transfer could be turned into a successful novel if one were to sex it up abit. Have you ever thought about it? Serious money in sexy novels with fluffy animals as an extra.

  156. There appear to be two kinds of Speccie banning.

    One lapses after 30 days and one is permanent.
    I am told that which you get depends on who is on legal duty.

  157. Alexsandr @ 19:35

    ‘Community leadership’ of one form or another has become a permanent fixture of our society, Alexsandr, it’s governance by lobbying by the often self appointed ‘leaders’ whether it’s Lumley’s arm twisting on behalf the Gurkhas, he Stonewall crowd pushing for gay marriage, or a bearded bloke in a hooded sweatshirt in Tottenham kicking hard to excuse a thug. This is one tool our phylum has never adopted. Pity that, it has been proven to be quite effective.

  158. EC @ 11:47

    Like you, EC, Baron also reckons Mark Steyn is not going to feature prominently in the Spectator from now on, but the tide has turned on the AGW idiocy, and who better to tell a story of the last few nails in its coffin than Mark Steyn who, as you know, is being sued by the hockey stick inventor Mann. Commercially, inviting Mark was a sound decision on part of Fraser, politically, he didn’t run a risk either, both the boy in number 10 nd Jeffrey have given up on greenness.

  159. Baron@1954

    I dont know if you were in the UK when it was on telly, but your post reminded me of mrs slocombes pussy 🙂

    (‘Are you being served’ was the show)

  162. I discover that the state sponsored commemorations of the start of the First World War are deliberately ignoring the contribution of Australia, New Zealand and Canada, while concentating of the contribution of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nigeria to ‘promote social cohesion’.

    What is worse is that the Minister responsible for the commemorations is no other than my own failed Minister of Justice and embarrasing Minister of Sport – Helen Grant!

    It really is time for her to go!!!

  163. Baron – 19.44

    Thanks Baron, I’m badly in need of some positive reassurance about our future.

    But as for The Spectator, I’m thinking that I just don’t have what it takes! I haven’t yet been banned or moderated! Though I did once get treated to some direct replys from Fraser, of the most foot-stampingly petty nature, when he took exception to me pointing out re: the Levenson Enquiry that David Bell of Common Purpose fame was, by serving beside Levenson and being part of the organisation that spawned Hacked Off, running with the hares and hunting with the hounds. After that I just gave up going to the website for ages, though I’ve put a few thoughts up there recently. Funny though how Mark Steyn went as quickly as he came – as Mr Humphries might’ve said . . . . .

  164. Peter from Maidstone @ 21:09

    And another thing, Peter, the new 2-pound coin to be issued for the 100th anniversary of WW1 features ‘your-country-needs-you Lord Kitchener’s famous call to arms, and the face of the great man himself. Expect alot of yelling, hauling, arm waving by the progressive tossers.

    Baron is beginning to warm up to Mark Carney, the new boss at the Bank, who apparently defends the design strongly, but thinks that perhaps the the coin should have said ‘your country needs you, do go back’ in the 28 languages that our schools, hospitals, other state agencies have to deal with.

  166. Alexandr 15:06 – I’d love to return to my French village but can’t seem to hit the right company offering rentals. I wouldn’t mind living above a shop, for instance, at this stage in my life, but how on earth does one find places like that?

  167. Austin Barry, January 9th, 2014 – 17:10

    “Fraser has become particularly sensitive to comments recently.”

    Not just recently. I have heard reports of him issuing dark warnings to “followers” on Twitter who occasionally skewer him, or one of his hacks. Since when did proper journalists become so thin skinned? The politicos and MSM love using the ‘social media’ in transmit mode, but they can’t take incoming.

    It’s their loss. The only reason some of us still went over to the Speccie site was to see examples of your rapier wit applied to comments of the misguided. They cheered me up, no end.

    I note that you were still able to assist Fraser to organise his thoughts over at the Telegraph yesterday. HE obviously needs to get out more! 🙂

  168. Discussion on Telegraph: “Campus segregation: ‘religious freedom’ cannot be allowed to trump equality”

    Austin Barry • a month ago
    “Can anyone name a single benefit that mass immigration has brought to our country?”

    Yes, the stark realisation that our political elite is a treacherous conspiracy with a cultural death wish.

    Keep ’em comin’ Austin!

  169. Baron 9 Jan at 22-37.

    You miss the business economics of this. The coins are not mainly for general circulation.They are for the trade;for sale to collectors. The Mint itself will offer mint condition coins in plastic and a folder with subject information.

    The scam is:`you` (not Us,obviously) will sent them a cheque for the face value of the coins.This,effectively,takes the coins out of circulation.This means you are giving the Mint/Bank of England/Treasury an interest free loan of £2 a coin.

    I expect the Mint and private companies (Frankling Mint?)will also be selling to the overseas market.

    If anyone is reading this overseas do not be put off from taking up the offer.It will certainly greatly increase it’s value for you great-grand-children (as the late Linda Smith would have told you if she were still alive).

  170. Radford NG @ 09:36

    Point taken, the barbarian must have got the message wrong, he only scanned a column in either the London Evening Standard or the DT, the impression he got was the coin would be in general circulation, the mint condition cum wrapped samples will be available, too, but one doesn’t want them, one doesn’t buy them. Sorry about misleading you.

  172. Verity 10th, – 04:40

    “I wouldn’t mind living above a shop,”

    ‘specially if it’s a patisserie…imagine waking up to that smell every morning!

    I’d end up as fat as a fool…Wha-at, you don’t think I already am?

  173. Malfleur, this must please you more than the others, but it’s short and to the point. Baron hasn’t got the knowledge to back the man’s claim that all major shootings were carried out by left leaning individuals, but the logic of it appeals. It’s mostly people with fanatical desire that one finds on the Left, and fanatics will go to extraordinary length to get their take on the world prevail.

    and another thing:

    Our guru of the site, Frank P hasn’t been heard of for some time. Baron misses his acerbic hits, his niece’s naughty jokes, and even naughtier links (Jeez, Baron seems to write in metrical stanzas that rhyme, Fergus, where are you, help).

    . http://www.youtube.com/embed/FeTCkoXslsE?rel=0

  174. EC @ 10:17

    Given the price of metals would it be profitable to stamp the £1 coins today, the margin must be quite thin given also the cost of the dies, the precautions one has to take to bash the stuff, bribe others to dispose of it quietly, and in huge numbers.

  175. Baron@January 10th, 2014 – 10:41
    The reason the edges of ‘silver’ coins are rough, called milling, is to stop people filing the edges of coins to get the metal. and they have a lip round the edge to stop people clipping bits off.
    but I hear some think they can weigh in ‘copper’ coins for scrap but they are worth very little as they are mostly cheap iron.

  176. It seems that they who rule are considering denying certain drugs to the elderly in order that more can be freed up for the young, no surprises there then. Well, I for one am spitting feathers, I have worked hard all my life and paid extortionate taxes, only to now be told that medical treatment could be denied me. However I can not see medical treatment withheld from pregnant Nigerians and other suchlike. Bollocks to this, Civis Britanicus Sum and I expect to receive the care I have toiled for. The political class should take note that there are a lot of us and we are more likely to vote than the self absorbed and largely ignoraqnt section of society who they are so eager to court.

  177. stephen maybery
    January 10th, 2014 – 13:0
    Stephen, I find posting very disturbing. Can you please supply details. articles or personal experience of this grave violation of our human rights. Yes, we can bring that up too, not just reserved for the sub-humans who are leeching off us.

  180. Alexsandr, January 10th, 2014 – 12:43

    The practice that you describe is called “coin clipping,” and used to be considered High Treason. In October 1690 Thomas Rogers and Anne Rogers were convicted for “Clipping 40 pieces of Silver.” Thomas Rogers was hanged, drawn and quartered, and Anne Rogers was burnt alive.

    As has been noted on the CHW previously, these days our politicians debase our currency with impunity.

  181. stephen maybery @13:30

    Sue the buggers!
    Do any of the plethora of “charities” we have in this country have a legal aid scheme for retired people?

    With an increasing elderly population there must be some scope for forming a large mutual society that could take legal action on behalf of its members.

  182. EC
    January 10th, 2014 – 15:28
    EC, Hi, I am very suspicious of many of the charities here, and from the way you have written I think you may be too. A decade ago, I applied for a paid position in their offices in Holloway Road, and was interviewed by a person who appeared Nigerian, and noticed most of the staff were African. I was really rejected due to my age (66) , but their excuse was they thought the work would be too hard for me! I suggest approaching UKip and other political parties and see whether any of them would be prepared to take action.

  184. Baron January 10th, 2014 – 10:41

    “Given the price of metals would it be profitable to stamp the £1 coins today, the margin must be quite thin given also the cost of the dies”

    My father worked as a lecturer at the Leeds Polytechnic, prior to this it was the old Leeds City College of Art.

    In the fifties students in their first two years had to take all subjects fine art, pottery, metal-work, sculpture and woodcarving and because of this father had a little business on the side where he sold to students the various tools that they would need offering to buy these back at half price once they no longer needed them.

    There were shortages of woodcarving tools and Dad would advertise in the local paper offering to buy, once he came home and said that he had been to a house in the Harehills district of Leeds and he said that they had a huge printing press in the cellar.

    About a year later the wife of this household was caught trying to spend forged ten-shilling notes, it caused quite a stir at the time.

  185. David Ossitt @ 16:22

    That’s more like it, David, ten shilling notes way back would be, what, about a fiver today. There’s a shortage of five pound notes, abit of black market entrepreneurship could help the BoE to fill the gap.

  186. stephen maybery @ 13:30

    Your displeasure, or is it anger, is more than justified, but suing the hospital or the NHS trust may not only fail to get you what you need, it may also impoverish you what with the lawyers charging exorbitant fees nowadays. The best way is what you hint at, getting people together convincing them not to vote for the tossers who will mind not subsidising single immigrant mothers, but let our generation persih in pain.

  188. I don’t know what all the fuss is about.
    It’s 10th January and I haven’t seen a single Bulgarian yet.

    Mind you, I’ve only been in Bulgaria for a week.

  190. This week’s key by-election results

    St Edmundsbury Borough Council (Haverhill East): UKIP 529, Lab 240, Con 157, LD 54, (UKIP gain from Con).
    Haverhill Town Council (Haverhill East): UKIP 630, LD 107, Lab 229, (UKIP gain from Con).
    Salford, Swinton South: Lab 661, Con 298, UKIP 215, Green 196, ED 54, TUSAC 43.

  192. Noa @ 20:15

    Not bad, not bad at all. The tide may indeed be turning, let’s hope the general count furnishes a similar result.

    And the news of your Bulgarian trip made Baron laugh, what a wit, Noa, you should let it out more often.

  193. Baron@January 10th, 2014 – 16:34

    When I were a lad we used to go out with a ten bob note, have 5 pints, fish and chips and still have the tram fare home.

  195. re the 2 by-election results in haverhill and bury st edmonds, I think the tories may well be in trouble in Suffolk/Norfolk/Lincolnshire.

  196. I was talking about the film The Railway Man with my father this afternoon. He mentioned that a relative had a nervous breakdown when her son was killed by the Japanese. I have an account with ancestry.com because I am researching my family history. I discovered that my relative did die in Thailand and is in the Kanchanaburi cemetery right by the bridge over the river Kwai. Brings it all home a bit.

  197. Alexsandr @ 20:35

    These were the days, ha. It may not beat your ten bob outing on the town, but Baron bought (on an HP) a mini (brand new) for £735/10 in 1972 (?). Mind you, his first weekly wage years before that was ten quid, five shillings and sixpence. For that money today, one can just about get two cups of large Costa lattes and a couple of muffins.

    And you may be right on the Tories getting booted in parts of East Anglia, that’s Baron’s influence (ha, ha, ha), it’s his territory.

  198. Peter 21.26
    My father became a PoW at Singapore at the age of 20 and was sent to work on the Burma railway. He returned to England weighing 6 stone and never forgave the Japanese for the sadistic cruelties and murders he saw suffered and inflicted.
    Reconciliation with their captors, and forgiveness, were not the uppermost thoughts in the minds of he and his fellow PoWs. Nor was this in any way practical in the post war period for the men who returned.
    He died in 1992, still physically and mentally affected by his experiences, before the Government awarded a pension to the few remaining survivors

  199. Baron, January 10th, 2014 – 23:15

    I can remember buying 4 gallons of 5 star petrol for 10 bob! (1969)

  201. “The former Labour Deputy Prime Minister said EU membership was too important to be placed “in the hands” of such an unpredictable body as the public”. What do the plebeian public think of Lady Mendleson’s latest pronouncement?

  202. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 January 11th, 2014 – 10:49

    “The former Labour Deputy Prime Minister said EU membership was too important to be placed “in the hands” of such an unpredictable body as the public”. What do the plebeian public think of Lady Mendleson’s latest pronouncement?”

    Hello Anne the person who held the title of former Deputy Prime Minister was John ‘I am a secretary fiddler’ Prescott, Peter Benjamin Mandelson was Deputy in all but name.

    Prescott was and still is a buffoon a; sop to the unions an incompetent nasty piece of work but Peter Mandelson is pure evil an effete slimy wretch who would sell his country down the European river for a smidgen of self-gain, that he should opine that EU membership is too important to be placed in the hands of the public, is just one more reason for us to quit the EU‘s stinking quagmire.

  204. A letter in today’s DT:

    SIR – Early last year my son-in-law was head-hunted for a job in northern Italy. He moved there with my daughter and grandchildren.
    The question of their having any rights wasn’t even a discussion point. In order to get the same privileges as an Italian citizen they all had to become official Italian residents and, to get this status, my daughter had to go through a wall of bureaucracy.
    Legally supported documents had to prove that my son-in-law had a job. The police inspected their house to ensure that they were actually living where they said they were. Their birth certificates and marriage certificates had to be produced, together with official translations. While this was going on, my son-in-law was unable to buy a car and my 10-year-old grandson couldn’t even play matches with the local football team.
    After six months they finally achieved Italian residency and at this stage were given the magic identity card. This card can now be produced on a myriad of occasions to give them exactly the same privileges as an Italian citizen.
    It seems to me that most other European countries have got this right in extending the same privileges as local citizens’ only to those who show that they have somewhere to live and that they are gainfully employed. (Robert MacLachlan
    Malmesbury, Wiltshire).

    also, Charles Moore has a column worth reading:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10563744/Rage-rather-than-reason-drives-the-debate-on-freedom-of-speech.html

  205. My mother wanted some white eggs for a Sunday School lesson, and I found her some in Waitrose. At the same time I bought myself a box of free range eggs branded Clarence Court. I had them as scrambled eggs and they were utterly delicious. A bright orange yoke and wonderfully creamy and flavorsome. Very tasty, very sweet.

    I am a convert to free range eggs now!

  206. Peter from Maidstone
    Jan 10 – 21.36

    On the evidence of a visit last year, the Commonwealth War Graves Commission is doing a superb job in maintaining the Kanchanaburi cemetery, with beautifully selected and textured floral plantings by each memorial plaque which are used, strikingly and successfully, instead of a gravestone or cross. And walking through the cemetery in the drenching, enervating heat provides a fleeting glimpse, absent the sadistic barbarity, starvation, endemic illness and effort, of the conditions in which these soldiers were, literally, worked to death.

  207. Peter what I suspect you purchased were “Clarence Court® Burford Brown eggs” we have been buying these for a number of years, “Clarence Court” do produce other varieties of eggs.

    My wife will bake using their other free range eggs bur when we want a poached, fried or boiled egg she will always use the Burford Brown.

    Yesterday Waitrose had them at a special low price and by 3pm the shelves were clear of them.

  209. Eggs.
    dont buy them, get hens.
    we have 3 and most of the time they keep us supplied with lovely big eggs with big yolks. and when you break them into the pan they stay in a 4″ radius and not go all over the pan.
    having a warm egg form the nesting box straight into the pan is one of lifes luxuries.
    did you know that many supermarket eggs are 5 months old.

  210. David Ossitt
    January 11th, 2014 – 11:41
    Hello, David
    You are completely correct. Utter scum, the lot of them. Prescott is a dirty old man who can’t keep his trousers shut, whereas Mendleson can’t keep his trousers up when he has his arse in the air!

  211. David, I had cause to return to Waitrose this afternoon, the Maidstone branch this time. The Burford Browns were sold out. So I bought a box of 4 special breeds eggs. One each of a Burford Brown, Burford Buff, Old Cotswold Legbar and Leghorn White. I shall enjoy them all I am sure.

  212. Alexsandr @ 16:05

    The barbarian buys eggs from a neighbour of his, the flock of hens he now has is the fourth one since he began furnishing Baron with the protein packed delicacy, the foxes have seen to it.

    The morale: it’s smarter to buy eggs from neighbours than to keep hens in the deep wilderness of Suffolk.

  213. I was playing some old radio theme tunes at my parent’s house the other day and happened to play the theme to Dick Barton to much amusement. Looking on Amazon I found that three films had been made in 1948, 1949 and 1950 so I ordered the DVD there and then and it came yesterday. My parents are halfway through the first film now. It’s amazing what is available on Amazon.

  214. Baron@January 11th, 2014 – 17:18
    Foxes dont like the smell of humans. so that means leaving human scent around your garden borders.
    where do you get human scent from. well you flush several pints of it a day down the toilet.
    If you dont want to pee in the garden, stuff an old pair of tights with human hair (Ask the barber – he will have loads) and hang it up near the hens.

  215. An extract from the aims of the New Culture website. Well worth a look, with some great links and articles to download.

    “In the last quarter of the 20th century, the Right decisively won the important economic arguments. But in the so-called Culture Wars, the liberal Left have continued to dominate.

    The triumph of cultural relativism and political correctness in the opinion-forming fields of the media, academia, education and culture has meant that these attitudes have become even more deeply entrenched. What started out as a counter-culture has become the reigning orthodoxy.

    This orthodoxy now goes virtually unchallenged. And with the recent movement of the political right towards the so-called ‘centre ground’, even fewer dissenting voices are heard. The liberal establishment sets the terms of debate.

    At a time of civilisational threat from extremists, the West finds itself besieged from within and without. Too often our enemies and our opinion formers appear to agree that Western culture is an indefensible horror, that we are, in Susan Sontag’s words, ‘the cancer of human history.’

    This is nonsense. The West is in fact a unique bastion of reasoned freedom. Britain in particular should be proud of the great role it has played in Western education, art and culture.

    In June 2006, we formed the New Culture Forum as a response to this situation. An association of people who work in the media and cultural arenas, the NCF is the first body of its kind to draw specifically on these areas.

    We believe it is a mistake to assume that people are, as is often claimed by politicians, politically disengaged. Increasing numbers of us are very passionate about political and cultural issues, but feel there is no outlet within an atmosphere which is dominated by the existence of a liberal/left group-think.

    The New Culture Forum will

    challenge the discredited left/liberal cultural orthodoxy and change the terms of debate
    provide a strong basis for mutual support and association for centre-right and other dissenting voices who work in the broad cultural arena of the media, academic, educational and cultural worlds
    affirm and celebrate the canon of Western cultural achievement and our own national history, rather than resile from them in ill-considered shame and embarrassment.
    promote a new flowering of excellence in the arts, motivated by aesthetic honesty, not box-ticking or political indoctrination.

    http://www.newcultureforum.org.uk/home/

    h/t Ed West’s blog @ the Spectator coffee house

  216. Noa @ 18:00

    Excellent find, as is the writing there.

    In the extract you furnished it says: “the West finds itself besieged from within and without”. In Baron’s humble view it’s more from within than without for if you look at all the major issues that exercise the masses – the EU, law and order, immigration …- it’s all of our doing, nobody forced us into the Brussels democracy vacuous set-up, the political class engineered it without the consent of the unwashed, the immigrants didn’t forcefully invaded, they are coming because the law allows them to come, the switch from retributive to restorative justice was pushed through on lies (every criminal who would have hanged would get life. He gets it of course, but wth a lenient tariff attached…..

  217. Alexsandr @ 17:30

    Are you sure of it, foxes avoiding human smell? The hair option keeps away the deer, but not the foxes. A fox visits Baron’s garden often, day or night, picks up scraps the birds and moorhens leave behind.

  219. anyone seen the story of muslims wanting to open a cemetary in catherine de barnes near solihull. This if i lived there i would get some pigs. And get someone to fry bacon all the time so it reeked of it.

  220. Peter from Maidstone January 11th, 2014 – 17:03

    Peter your mention of Burford Brown, Burford Buff, Old Cotswold Legbar and Leghorn White, took me back to the end of the Second World War, my dad who served in the RAF and was stationed from the beginning of 1940 to the end of 42 in Canada, Hamilton Ontario, whilst he was there he took a mail order course in hen management.

    Once demobbed he wasted no time in setting up half of our back-garden with hen hutches and a wired enclosure, he kept three breeds, White Leghorn, Black Leghorn and Rhode-Island Reds, such eggs! such wonderful chicken soup.

  222. Robin Oakley in the latest Spectator.

    At Christmas a friend from CNN sent me the story of a US officer on a European train. Searching for a seat, he found one occupied by a miniature poodle and asked its French female owner if she would put the dog on her lap. She not only refused but also remarked loudly as he moved on, ‘God spare us from these bloody Americans who think they own the whole world.’

    Ten minutes later, the visibly weary American returned to say that there was no seat vacant on the entire train. Again he requested politely that madame move her dog. Again she refused, this time snarling, ‘Won’t somebody protect me from this boorish foreigner?’ At this point, with the train slowing, the American seized the dog and hurled it through the window on to a grassy bank. As its owner shrieked her fury, an Englishman sitting opposite spoke for the first time. ‘Oh dear, oh dear,’ he said. ‘You Americans never get it quite right, do you? You hold your fork in the wrong hand, you drive on the wrong side of the road and now you have thrown the wrong bitch out of the window.’

  223. Re. Chickens – a paltry question

    Can anyone advise which, if any, of the named breeds might thrive, egg-wise and meat-wise, in the Philippines.

    I am very disappointed with the eggs and roasting chickens available here. No taste! I have told my wife that some of her farming relatives should import some English (or possibly French) hens. She says the climate is unsuitable – too hot. But surely a feather is a feather – there are no feather-light chickens or bald-bird breeds that I am aware of.

    Whether tasty chickens and their eggs are marketable where consumers have learned to like them with no flavour is another question – the same goes for bread. Would the breeds mentioned survive and thrive here? I think there is a niche.

    I can’t wait to return to Europe – if only for the Full English and the Sunday roast.

  224. Still on a chicken theme, yesterday I was in Trafalgar Square. Standing on a tall plinth, was the horrible bright blue ‘cockerel’ created by a German feminist (for want of a kinder
    word). Beside the iconic statues of the mighty and great, this ghastly shoddy and horrible figure truly represents the perverted modern establishment ruling the land. Declaiming the fact that all the figure are male, the creator has produced not a cockerel, but a bloody capon with horns on its head!

  225. Malfleur@January 12th, 2014 – 09:15

    I think you will find that the taste of animal stuff is in their diet. The reason free range tastes better is that they eat grubs form the soil and green stuff.
    If you feed them 100% wheat based hen food then there is no taste
    we let ours our to eat the lawn sometimes, or we feed them green stuff. the greengrocer is quite keen for us to take bag fulls of cabbage and cauliflower trimmings. we also give them corn or wild bird seed. and natural yoghourt.
    never eaten one of our hens (why would I, I bought them for eggs and when that comes to an end they will be too old and inedible, and they are pets as well as egg producers)
    The other thing they do is they pump the chickens full of water to increase the weight. so a supermarket chicken you are buying quite a lot of water. Bastards.

  226. Edith Cavell is just off the Square if I remember correctly. Couldn’t she be moved to the plinth? It could be argued that she also was created by the Germans.The Church of England should get behind the proposal and force the removal of the cockerel. A new unveiling on 12th October2014? Better than Carney’s coin.

  228. Alexsandr January 12th, 2014 – 10:17

    “never eaten one of our hens (why would I, I bought them for eggs and when that comes to an end they will be too old and inedible”

    These are known as boiling fowl (think Jewish chicken soup) most of the old markets still sell them, usually on those stalls that sell eggs.

    If you simmer them on top of the stove with two halves of onion, carrots and a bouquet garni for at least two and a half hours and then when much cooler carefully lift out the carcass smother this with melted butter and then roast on a high heat for half an hour, you will have a very tender tasty chicken.

    And as a bonus a pan full of stock to make delicious soup.

  229. Malfleur
    January 12th, 2014 – 10:34
    Excellent suggestion. I also thought about all the women who ‘kept the home fires burning’, The wives, mothers and single women who not only kept house under terrible circumstances, and the munition workers, voluntary hospital and other workers, those who received evacuees into their homes, and so many others. Also, those who served in the women’s military services. If a feminist is concerned at the lack of statues representing women, they need not have a capon to show their disapproval.

  230. David Ossitt
    January 12th, 2014 – 11:06
    David, how I miss those old-fashioned boiling fowl. The poor little chickens mostly on sale in the supermarkets are far too immature to make ‘Jewish penicillin’. By the way, the addition of a turnip and parsnips create a nectar that puts packaged soups in the shade.

  232. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 09:24

    Few days before the statue of the great man who dominates Trafalgar Square was hoisted up in Nove,ber 1843 (?), 14 people dined of steak at the summit of the tall column.

    (Sorry, Anne, Baron’s been waiting for ages to use this snippet of totally useless knowledge, and you presented the opportunity).

  234. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 January 12th, 2014 – 11:15

    “David, how I miss those old-fashioned boiling fowl.”

    How right you are it must be thirty-five years since I came home with a fowl purchased from a stall on the chicken row of Leeds Kirkgate market.

    Nowadays my beloved makes the stock from what is left of a roasted chicken once we have had dinner, she removes whatever meat remains, adding this back once the carcass has been simmered for stock.

    To this stock she adds carrot, swede, onion, celery, new-potatoes together with two kinds of beans , usually enough for some to be frozen, delicious.

  236. David Ossitt
    January 12th, 2014 – 12:06
    Will try it, David and report back. Thanks!

  238. We should pay off a few islamic preachers or whatever the’re called, to put it about that their allah thingy had actually decreed that dead muzzies should be cremated, so they can re-enter allah’s universe as free spirits. Or somerhing. Or allah says it’s wrong to bury dead muzzies under the ground instead of setting them free into allah’s universe.

    Or whatever. These people will believe anything. They believe if they die in the service of allah they’re going to get 72 virgins. I mean, how weird is that? Even the most voracious letch in the world couldn’t be bothered to work his way through 70 virgins.

    They are also promised by allah, who forbids alcohol, “rivers of wine”.

    It’s all right there in their koran and surahs. Read for yourself for a Sunday morning laugh if there’s nothing on TV.

  243. Here’s something I posted under Theodor Dalrymple’s article in today’s Sunday Telegraph that was removed in less than an hour, without even one of those “This comment has been deleted” notices. Is it a compliment to be airbrushed?

    IRISHBOY • 39 minutes ago
    Wouldn’t Muslims benefit far more, rather than Camoron or Cleggy espousing their noble nature, by having huge rallies in every town of the “Not in My Name” nature? I mean they habitually do have rallies, but they tend to be the ones where they spit at uniformed soldiers or incite murder and mayhem on all those who question them, so if most Muslims are not like that they have more work to do to bring to our attention.

    Mind you, and this is another aspect of the RoP little discussed on the BBC, if a Muslim does dissent in the slightest from his religion’s orthodoxy he and his family face social ostracism, financial ruin and quite possibly a horrid death. Now were I to question the doctrine of say transubstantiation, I think I can do that without fearing that the Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster would be calling for my death. So whilst the Muslim orthodoxy is illegal by our laws, then Islam should be proscribed entirely in every way.

  244. Sultan on why people fail: Superb

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/

    And, IRISHBOY, it’s a badge of honour to be banned for postings such as the one you submitted to the DT. Baron has addressed the same point. If Islam is indeed a religion of peace why hasn’t any of the Muslim leaders issued a fatwa on the two Woolwich thugs? After all, they’ve committed a despicably foul act that can in no way be described as peaceful.

  245. EC @ 15:16

    The one point the table also furnishes is that culture trumps religion. In the more culturally secular Turkey the attitude towards women’s dress is far more liberal than in Saudi Arabia where culture and religion fuse.

  247. IRISHBOY . 12 Jan at 16-07.

    Your comment to the Telegraph is there now.

    I assume it’s disappearance to you is a fault in the DISQUS system as the same thing happens at the Spectator.A comment comes up on screen;shortly after it disappears.If you log-out and log-in again it comes back.

  248. Ah yes, I see it has returned Radford NG – I hadn’t encountered this peculiarity of Disqus before.

    And Baron the only odd thing about the point you make on the Woolwich murderers is that it isn’t made by our political leaders.

  250. You will hear alot about the Tories suggesting that welfare benefits for EU migrants should be claimed only after two years’ residence in the country. Labour and the confused party are backing the new propsal, too what with the elections next yeat, and the issue ranking top of people’s concerns.

    Baron has nothing against it except that it isn’t EU migrants that are the problem, most of them are here to work. The problem is migrants from nonEU countries, they are the largest claimants on the welfare budget. There are over 3.5mn Muslims here and over 40% of Muslim men, 70 of Muslim women live on welfare. This is what the politicians should address, but won’t because they fear the religion of peace followers. Disgusting.

  253. Peter from Maidstone
    January 12th, 2014 – 14:10

    Many thanks, Peter. Very helpful in my search for the English hen that goes out in the mid-day sun.

  254. Herbert Thornton
    January 12th, 2014 – 18:39

    The truth may well be that the reason for failing to close Gitmo is that it has proved an invaluable US government training camp for terrorists.

  255. The wall runs out today.
    I will get in while it lasts.
    The weather is cold and grey.
    Getting ready for icy blasts.

    Meanwhile as I speak.
    Sharon lies in State.
    Will give peace process a tweak.
    Or send it dead to the grate.

    Happy Monday

  256. Cannibalism in the streets of the Central African Republic. Is that the next thing we here in the UK must look forward to? Heaven forbid, the milksops in charge would never dare to speak out against what is happening to a once civilised country. Multiculturalism, don’t you know!

  257. Malfleur – 13 January @ 00:09 –

    It’s a sad state of affairs when the suspicion you voice may be close to the mark. I’ve always believed that setting up Gitmo in the first place was a naive mistake. Captured fanatics like them should not be treated like that – they should either be summarily shot or if they are believed to have valuable information, they should be shot after it has been extracted from them.

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