The Coffee House Wall – 27th/2nd February

Posted on January 27, 2014

This is the Coffee House Wall for this week. I won’t say that it is your chance to communicate with us, as we are all in this together. It is, nevertheless, the Conservative Blog post that has no particular theme, and where everything is on topic. Let’s just remember that we want to avoid ad hominem attacks on others. We don’t want to engage with trolls. We want to moderate our language ourselves as responsible and mature adults, choosing to use fruity language only where it is necessary. This is our opportunity to show what the Spectator Coffee House Wall could have been like.

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150 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 27th/2nd February”

  2. Y’all still there?
    I bet a couple of bejamins that your Cameron will not last much longer.
    Still good to see the Beatles back at the Grammy’s in LA.
    I have been scrolling back and see that my old mucker Andy Car Park wakes up from time to time.
    Young Irishboy (1/25/14 : 23.30)you are getting onto dangerous ground-One of our superheroes Don RumsFeld is targeted by these scurrilous rumourmongers in the same breath as your Brown and Robertson.
    There are I should tell you folks working hard over here to remove this from the web.
    And run down b*stards who are putting it out to boot.
    I do not know if you are in Ireland but it would not be wise to delve too deeply.

  5. Malfleur – 08:58
    “Former president Clinton (and apparently Carter, as well), agree that mass surveillance is unnecessary”

    It is not that I think that the current surveillance is required. It is that the suggestion is not credible: trust the judgements of Carter and Clinton? ::) I would take that with a pinch of salt! Policemen on the beat are not necessary to catch criminals, but it probably helps the situation!

    As it has been going a while, I would prefer to ask what has the “NSA mass surveillance” done to contribute to catching criminals and how could it be improved or should it stop. And I don’t mean just spend more money!

    They may need to have such a massive, all encompassing, solution because targeting probable groups is illegal.

    Malfleur – 08:51

    On reflection, my main concern is that the list was not intelligently designed and was too general. My January 26th @ 13:26 post was a marathon, but once I had started, I thought “I’ve started, so I’ll finish”!

    There was a lot of ‘shut this’ and ‘shut that’, without any regard to the consequences. It is different to the last Labour Government who went round ‘opening this’ and ‘opening that’ without any regard to the extra cost, additional red tape and having any useful enthusiasm pacified. But it still inferred that the same level of intelligence was the driving force behind it.

    There were also missing steps. For example, number 19, I wrote “Why remove illegal aliens when we have no border control. They just get a free holiday back in their home country, and then return!” but, before hand, we need to be able to stop ‘immediate benefits’ being handed out to complete foreigners. Surely this should happen as it is such a low cost and effecive means to reduce the problem.

    I liked the The Plan, by Carwell and Hannan:
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Plan-Twelve-months-Britain/dp/0955979900

    What I liked about it was that it ensures that the changes made are those that will propagate through to many areas that need change. It means that it ‘encourages’ others to join in. Without this component, any government will not have enough time to make significant changes, especially when many establishment groups will resist change.

  6. Peter from Maidstone – 10:35 ‘I am a conservative’

    So is Cameron! In fact, it was why he forced through ‘gay’ marriage.

    There is also the problem that being a Liberal means being authoritarian and being a Democrat means enforcing the majority’s wishes on the minority, especially the wishes that the ‘elite’ prefer.

    Successful political parties not only coax the public to associate their party with particular labels, they also redefine their meaning.

    I think the meaning of being a ‘conservative’ had lost a lot of its charm BC (Before Cameron) as it could imply that we should, quite illogically, keep all that was best from the last Government, even though there was nothing to keep!

  8. Peter from Maidstone January 27th, 2014 – 10:35

    “I am a conservative. And I am becoming more conservative.”

    Peter from Maidstone January 27th, 2014 – 17:42

    “Robert, I am not a Conservative,”

    Peter I am confused; I like you at 10:35 would say that I am a real Conservative, the fact that the Conservative Party at Westminster is being led by men and women who are ashamed of the parties past and have no respect for the thoughts and opinions of Margaret Thatcher, Enoch Powel, Norman Tebbit and their like, is why my beloved and I will vote UKIP in May.

    Was that a mistake at 17:42?

  10. Peter from Maidstone – 17:42 ‘What am I?’

    I agree with you!

    But, when talking to people, how does one convey the difference?

    Also, there are many who associate the ‘C’ word with the trials and tribulations of the 1980’s, which have been massaged beyond belief by the Left. (And I do mean the 12 word beginning with ‘C’!)

  11. Malfleur @ January 27th, 2014 – 09:16

    Listen up, you member of the conservatives at heart, behave yourself.

    The banking glitch isn’t anything new, the banks got so immersed in defending themselves, paying for all the mis-sellings, repenting for all the sins of mankind and some more they failed to upgrade their IT systems. This isn’t the end of the world, it’s nothing few tens of millions couldn’t put right. If you see this as sign of capitalism falling apart, you’re wrong.

  12. John Jefferson Burns @ 11:48

    You, young sir, have missed on your Grammy reporting the most elevating bit of the evening: more than thirty couples – straight and gay – got married during Macklemore & Ryan Lewis (who they?) gay acceptance hit Same Love.

    That will loom as Baron’s regret of his life, he’ll never forgive himself missing it for if anything, the ceremony was the future, a future to be welcomed, embraced, enjoyed.

  13. The barbarian reckons that everyone who not only believes ‘society to be a contract between the past, the present and those yet unborn’, but acts accordingly to maintain, defend and advance it can call himself conservative.

    The boy in number 10 does the right sounding talking, it’s the walking that betrays him.

  15. Robert C

    I was impressed by the thought that went into your initial post.

    I don’t think Jim Willie’s list was a serious manifesto. He was simply saying that implementing the 20 items was a hopeless dream – so he didn’t need to think them through.

  16. Baron @ 20:38

    My Lord, I believe there is no likelihood of capitalism falling apart because it is not in place to do so. We have instead a developing merger of state and corporate power – which has other names.

  17. Malfleur – 22:03
    Thank you! It was really a knee jerk reaction, a brain dump, some sort of therapeutic disgorge!

    And I did feel better, even though I was exhausted!

  19. A Telegraph poster, bill40, has pointed out:

    “On a side note North Korea’s leader Kim Jong Un has apparently had all immediate relatives of his uncle executed

    Is it just me thinking that nephew is an immediate relative?”

    Classic!

  20. I think this might be me! 🙂

    The children who have near-death experiences – then lead charmed lives: Study reveals youngsters as young as six months can have lucid visions
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2547133/The-children-near-death-experiences-lead-charmed-lives-Study-reveals-youngsters-young-six-months-lucid-visions.html

    I was told that I nearly died of pneumonia when I was 12 months old. I don’t remember the bright lights or the tunnels, but I have always had the presence of a (very good) being around me and I always thought, and still do, that most adults are somewhat dim. Not because they are, but because they do not bother to think!

    This has been very frustrating, especially seeing the waste of other people’s effort, but it has ensured that my predicted “charmed life” has been relatively ‘normal’, at least on the outside! The older I get, the more I realise that this adult dimness is the natural level in the general population, but I do think that it is not intelligence but an awareness of our ignorance and unawareness. I also think that it is given to us, rather than us having to work for it, though that can increase the odds that we receive it!

    The one sentence in the article that stood out in the article was this one:
    “In a few cases, church ministers had actually complained that children who’d experienced NDEs were disruptive — because they had asked questions clerics had been unable to answer.”

    I have nothing against church ministers in general, just a few of them! In fact they also heavily populate the other end of the spectrum: the intelligent and aware – even if they find some children a nuisance! 🙂

    These children remind me of a certain lad in the Temple, wouldn’t you say?

  21. Mr Boot on form:-

    “…Ed Balls and Ed Miliband both had major economic posts in the previous Labour government (Treasury Economic Secretary and Secretary for Energy respectively).

    Hence they had key roles to play in using public finances for party political purposes, bribing the electorate with unprecedented handouts, using extortionist taxation to destroy as much enterprise as possible, borrowing and printing money with criminal irresponsibility, running insane deficits, driving the national debt over £16 trillion, straining public services to breaking point by opening Britain’s borders to millions of potential Labour voters, inviting (and religiously complying with) miles of EU red tape and complementing those outrages with epic mismanagement.

    Yet their victory in the next election isn’t just possible, but likely. What does this say about our present government? The Tory party? The electorate?…”

    http://alexanderboot.com/content/denis-healy-whispering-ed-balls%E2%80%99s-ear

  23. Keep Britain Bona !

    Vote the Universal Party.

    Julian and Sandy sing it’s campaign song.

    Our Party’s flag is deepest puse,
    With fleur-de-lyes in pale charteuse.
    Those working homs
    And neuveau-riche
    Will find our programme very shish.

    We’ll do our best for young and old;
    Our party line is very bold.

    Let’s mince together hand in hand,
    We’ll make Great Britain fairyland.

    From `Round the Horn`;April,1968 (can be heard at the link below:c.23minutes in)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00t4qkg

  24. “..Our party line is very bold.

    Let’s mince together hand in hand,
    We’ll make Great Britain fairyland…”

    Yea, verily it has come to pass. Alex Wickham writes this week in the Spectator of sods and sodemy in the the yelping back bench of the tory party.
    “…young men too can find themselves in the sights of less-than-Honourable Members. I’m blond-haired, blue-eyed and a newcomer in his early twenties. Gay Conservative backbenchers are eager for my company. The unfortunate fact that I am straight seems moot. As another twentysomething Westminster insider of similar appearance once told me, ‘We are their type.’”

    And in my day a punch on the nose ‘straightened’ matters out quickly.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9122631/the-commons-touch/

  25. Noa 28th, – 12:05

    “And in my day a punch on the nose ‘straightened’ matters out quickly.”

    Yeah. The trouble with a knee in the balls is that it might be mistaken for a sign of affection. 🙂

  26. From the mail . Article about flooding in Somerset .

    But once the state assumes responsibility for these tasks, it has a duty to ensure that the work gets done. As Liddell-Grainger said on Monday, if the Environment Agency did the big jobs, such as dredging the rivers, local people would ensure the routine maintenance was carried out.
    The MP thinks the agency has its priorities all wrong and is neglecting its principal function of protecting farmland in favour of wildlife and conservation projects. It was happy to spend £31 million on a bird sanctuary, the MP said accusingly, but not the £4.5 million needed to dredge the rivers.
    He derides the agency’s bosses as “a bunch of townie do-gooders and twitchers”, adding: “They think the Levels should be allowed to return to the swampy wilderness they were in the Middle Ages – and all in the name of managed flood risk.”

    The environment agency has a typical government attitude of being very concerned about issues that are driven by pressure groups, rather than concentrating on the unfashionable things that are important.
    Drainage boards which deal with the same problems as the environment agency’s don’t have flooding problems because they do the job properly and have diggers clearing ditches all year round.

  28. John
    the trouble with dredging is that it just dumps the problem further downstream. Flood plains were made my nature to flood.
    what we need to do is to look at ways of keeping water further upstream, in bogs, lakes and trapped I vegetation. And stop concreting over the place.
    somerset is not helped by the mendips, which are limestone. so the water runs through the caves and causes flood pulses.

  29. Alexsandr.

    I agree the situation is more complex than just a simple answer .
    But it doesn’t alter the fact that the agency has cut back drastically on manpower and maintenance in recent years.
    They were only to happy to blame global warming as the reason for many years untill that started sounding a bit old hat.

  30. Alexsandr – 14:12 ‘somerset is not helped by the mendips’

    So how did Somerset manage before we had Technology?

  31. Noa @ 10:38

    That Labour are going to win isn’t a surprise for Baron. It;s not the 5mn plus who are on the Benefit Street, not many of them vote, it’s the millions more who administer the State controlled monstrosity who want Labour back. These are the people who will oppose any cuts by the Tories because it’s their outreaching jobs that are at stake. Add to it those in the crony private sector, people who are on contract to the numerous agencies of the State, the NHS being the biggest, and Labour has more than enough to beat those burghers who slave in the private sectors, pay taxes through their nose.

    You may have missed it, but Baron has argued for a long time the entitlement culture will bury us, again it’s not just the money paid out to those who never had a job, have no intention of having one, it’s the people paid by the State through taxation to run the entitlement bandwagon. It’s now beyond the point of return, give it time, we’ll all be under.

  32. Alexsandr @ 14:12

    Before the State decided to set up and run the Envi Agency centrally, flood defences were a local issue, the people under thread paid a higher tax, the central Government chipped in, businesses contributed, too, but the decision what to do and how was left to the region. Today, the Agency is run from the centre, has not enough funds, and to top it all, politicking comes into it when it prioritises which region gets what.

  33. before the EA there was the national rivers authority. They allowed flood defences to degrade and didn’t seem to manage their assets. To me it seems better now.

  34. Baron January 28th, 2014 – 15:33

    “It’s now beyond the point of return, give it time, we’ll all be under.”

    Nil Desperandum, Illegitimi non carborundum, come on Baron don’t give in.

  36. Baron. 15:33

    Regretfully I tend to agree with your bleak assessment of Britain’s, indeed the West’s future; a socialist dystopia where we all work or are bound to the Ministry of Truth, or receive our welfare cheques from the Ministry of Wealth.

    Our future?
    It will be to feel Ed Miliband’s Loake casual, stamping on the face of middle Britain forever, whilst Ed Balls inserts his pudgy fingers into whatever private place we determined to hide our last crust of stale bread and remaining 20p piece.

  37. David Ossitt @ 16:33

    David, nothing to do with giving up, nor is Baron defeated, my friend, but think what could have been done by anyone around 1938, by the time of Munich, to stop the forthcoming disaster. Alot?

    Not that we are anywhere near the slaughter the Austrian corporal hoisted on Europe and beyond, but the analogy here is with momentum. It was the ghastly Blair who tipped it, the Tories had a chance to beat his ‘no-boom-no-bust’ loopy successor, the boy fugged up because he was, still is H2B. Since the election, coupled to the confused lot, the Tories have just nibbled around the problem. The size of the State hasn’t reduced at all.

    And as for the unwashed? They just endure as ever before, the politicians of all hues have persuaded them with by lies and bribes to go to hell so well that many are actually looking forward to the trip.

    The confused lot are reviving again the mansion tax. Only for those paying millions for their mansions, they say. The masses will applaud it little suspecting that given time everyone will pay it. And why not, the £4tr in individual property assets is the last well of wealth not yet fully milked by the State. The high property prices are forcing many to rent. You reckon many of these renters will cry when the tax hits every houseowner, do you?

    Just a 2% tax will yield £80bn per year. Not a trifling amount, and another notch to the power of the State. Anew army of outreach workers will be bought, many a worthwhile cause will be unearthed, ‘wars’ on them will be unleashed under yet more Tzars …..

  38. Noa @ 17:04

    ‘One glimmer of hope on the horizon, Noa’, says the never to be defeated barbarian. If the May election to the Brussels nomenklatura give a massive boost to UKIP’s share of the popular vote that may frighten the Tories, wake them up, force them to become conservative, kick the we-are-in-it-together boy and, hopefully, dig Lady T up.

  42. I see that Labour are planning to ban and fine smoking in vehicles in which there is a child. This must logically extend to the banning of smoking in a vehicle in which a child is likely to be transported and then to smoking in any domestic property in which a child lives or is likely to visit.

    We may well all prefer a smoke free environment but powers granted to the state are not easily recovered especially when it allows greater control over the domestic realm.

  43. Now that the government is allowing Syrians into the UK, one can only applaud their humanity and hope that the refugees will be Christians and not terrorists taking advantage of Britain’s decency.

  44. So, Syrians are to be allowed to come to England, and why not? every other sod who metropolitan do-gooders adjudge is worthy of Britain’s bounty is welcomed with open arms, but not, but not in Islington you understand, one must draw the line some where. Why us? we did not start this mess, we have not financed it’s continuation, the Saudis have. If the Saudis are financing the insurrection then they can finance the consequences, it is not our problem despite Dick-Head-Dave’s desperation to strut the international stage as a cut price Napoleon hoping to impress the yanks.

  45. stephen maybery
    January 29th, 2014 – 11:53
    Stephen, I cannot believe you are so naive. Isn’t it obvious that the Arab-entranced Foreign Office and the three main political parties in this country are getting baksheesh from Saudi and other rich Arab States to keep refugees out of their territory. That’s how it always has been, and the hypocrisy continues. Unfortunately the baksheesh goes straight into the pockets of our ‘rulers’ and not the ‘man in the street’.

  46. AWK at 12-14.

    `Arab-entranced Foreign Office`.

    Or; `The Camel Corps at the F.O.` as they have long been known.

  47. Anne,
    you are absolutely right. It is a wonder that the employees of the foreign office do not turn up for work on camels and twas ever so, my post was a lament on the gutlessness of they who rule. On the subject of the FO, a friend of mine, London born and bred wanted to join the FO, she was fluent in French and Italian, but the FO would not take her because her Parents were Italian, Phone the FO these days and you can scarce understand what the person on the other end of the line is saying and it is obvious they were not born in England. Oh. The times they have a changed.

  48. John Jefferson Burns
    January 27th, 2014 – 11:48

    Cigar-Chompin’ John Jefferson Burns, mighty fine all y’all back like the cat dragged in dang tootin’ Donald Rumsfeld comin’ down the steppers, tripplin’ over the in-growin’ toe-neighbours. Down home prairie moon ‘neath the starry skies above dirty rotten handful of pasta, dag nabbit. Hootenanny Obamacare quaint li’l ol’ queen buddy can you spare a dime: wrist jobs. In Dixieland I’ll make my stand dang tootin’ underground overground womblin’ free, yessiree, that’s mah baby, there’s gold in them thar hills.

  49. Here we go again. I am due to have the internet installed at my flat on the 6th, the necessary equipment is to be delivered to my office, which is just around the corner. Today I thought it would be better to have it delivered direct to the flat, that is when the trouble started. Having dialled the requisite number only to be squawked at by a bleeding robot. I was finally put through to a living person, I should have stuck with the robot. Now here we re talking India, and the individual concerned had an imperfect understanding of the English accent, now we are not talking the Glasgow growl here but pellucid English. After several attempts to get the operative to understand what I was saying, I did what I always do, lost my rag and told her to forget it, then put the phone down. This way of doing business will not do BT any favours as call centres using foreigners does not work and only alienates the punters.

  50. Heading home from a pleasant afternoon with Mr Boot. If you haven’t considered purchasing his latest book, advertised on this site, then do allow me to recommend it as an excellent read.

  52. Anne Wotana Kaye 1
    January 29th, 2014 – 12:14

    On the button, AWK. Let’s hear it for an audit of politicians and senior civil servants – in and after leaving office.

  55. Martin Luther was a ranter. He was also a member of the Order of St. Augustine. Martin Luther King was a Republican. He was a bit of a ranter.

    Noa
    No. The Wall is catching its breath.

  56. I don’t think so Noa. I’m busy myself this week and I’ve been travelling where it is not easy to post. Things come and go from day to day. There were nearly 2000 visitors yesterday, and we are getting over 10,000 page views a day on a regular basis.

  57. Nations should always put their own interests first. An obvious, simple principle you might think; too obvious to be worth stating. If only that was true. Over a period of a hundred years, led first by a remote elite which has been replaced by a international socialist core, the United Kingdom has indulged itself in policies which have resulted in its progressive self destruction.
    Peter Hitchens considers the myth of the United Kingdom’s myth of the ‘Special Relationship’ in WW2 with the United States at the link below.

    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2014/01/not-so-special-an-amazing-account-of-the-usas-unwillingness-to-enter-world-war-two.html

  58. I like Amazon and use it quite a bit, but I had a horrible shock this morning. They sent me an offer, from their Kitchen & Household Goods:

    Gordon Brown, David Cameron and Nick Clegg Cardboard Cutouts Pack
    by Partyrama

    Price: £81.95
    Dispatched from and sold by Partyrama.
    this offer complete with photos,which I cannot reproduce.
    Using the modern idiom, I wrote back telling Amazon “I would sooner stick pins in my eyes than have these wankers in my kitchen”.

  59. Malfleur
    January 30th, 2014 – 12:02
    “Noa
    No. The Wall is catching its breath.”

    Then it had best be quick in its inhalation. A drop off from 250+ comments per week to @110 is an alarming decline.

    Peter-what is happening to the innitiatives you were proposing to lauch?

  61. Anne Wotana Kaye @ 12.15pm

    As the cardboard cutouts of our heroes are so expensive at Amazon perhaps you might like to buy a Nick Clegg or David Cameron facemask for only £3.58. Ideal for recreating those HoC Question Time moments in the comfort of your own home.
    Regrettably they don’t seem to have a Gordon Brown mask, too frightening for small children I suppose, so its not possible to recreate Mrs Grady’s Rochdale sitting room moment, or have mobile phone flinging contests at the wall, so much more metro than the dwarf throwing of the eighties, which fortunately, now appears to be making a comeback
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2343056/Leonardo-DiCaprios-Wolf-Of-Wall-Street-indulges-women-drink-parties-dwarf-tossing-new-trailer.html
    and is a sport open to all Wallsters…

    http://www.gamenode.com/skill-games/dwarf-toss/

  62. I do know that the two murderers Adebolajo and Adebowale were both found guilty in the Woolwich trial of murdering Fusilier Rigby but have they received a sentence yet?

  64. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 January 30th, 2014 – 12:17

    “Using the modern idiom, I wrote back telling Amazon “I would sooner stick pins in my eyes than have these wankers in my kitchen””

    Anne, had you bought them you could have stuck pins in their eyes.

  65. Noa January 30th, 2014 – 12:19

    “Then it had best be quick in its inhalation. A drop off from 250+ comments per week to @110 is an alarming decline.”

    Noa many regular posters are quite elderly, elderly people these days lead busy lives and therefore on occasion can use up all of their energy.

    The reduced numbers posting last week might well have been caused by them catching their breath rather than the ‘wall’.

    And there is not much going on in the political sector to comment on, today’s news was leading with a dippy female labour MP wanting to stop smoking in any cars where children might be passengers, if this happens then they will start on our homes.

  66. Noa
    January 30th, 2014 – 16:16
    David Ossitt
    January 30th, 2014 – 16:32
    Dear Gentlemen.

    Come November 5th, I think the masks would be ideal for a Guy Fawkes dummy to burn on the bonfire!

  67. “In 2022, Qatar will host the World Cup, a country where death for apostasy is still on the statute books. Why aren’t we all boycotting it?

    The last request does put the plight of Middle Eastern Christians in global context. Western activists and media have focused considerable outrage at Russia’s laws against “homosexual propaganda” in the lead-up to the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics. It would only seem fitting that Westerners would also protest (or at the very least notice) laws that punish people with death for converting to Christianity.

    And yet the Western world is largely ignorant of or untroubled by programmatic violence against Christians. Ed West, citing the French philosopher Regis Debray, distils the problem thusly: “The victims are ‘too Christian’ to excite the Left, and ‘too foreign’ to excite the Right.”
    – Michael Brendan Dougherty , “The Week”

    I’m emailing my MP about this tomorrow.

  68. Are there any talk show ranters in the United Kingdom? – England hath need of them. The objections to the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, Matt Drudge (who morphed into a famous and influential online alternative media site in 2007), Laura Ingraham, Bill O’Reilly, Mike Gallagher (slaughtered a steer on air), Hugh Hewitt and many others.

    Of course the ability to talk more or less non-stop for two or three hours for five or six days a week may have disappeared from England with the 18th and 19th centuries, though I doubt it. May be the shows are there and I just don’t know about them. The more of them there are, the more difficult it will be to close down free speech.

    Vive le rant!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CndInjuB8bA

  69. I don’t mean to keep going on about Mr. Boot, but since I have a relatively restricted circle of friends compared to most of you my visits to his home are cultural highlights. I wish I could get him recorded talking about various matters beyond his blogs, he really is very well read and has become British in every meaningful sense.

    There is still a reserve of culture in the UK. All is not yet lost.

    Actually I wonder if I can persuade Mr. Boot to allow me to record him speaking for 30 minutes a month?

  70. Excuse the lack of a predicate in the third sentence above – the list of talk show host in the USA was so long, I forgot about it.

  71. Noa @ 12:15

    Excellent link, Noa, the Hitchens’s blog, the comments are possible better than the piece itself.

  72. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 12:17

    Why did they decide on this troika is intriguing, Anne, there must be a common denominator to the three ‘greats’, but what is it?

  73. David Ossitt @ 16:14

    Who allowed the appeal against the Adebolajo’s conviction? Appeal against a sentence would make sense, but against the conviction? The thug was shown performing the gross act of murder on the TV. Baron has no legal training, but the appeal beggars belief.

  74. Baron, well I think he was trying to say that the conviction was unsound because he was a soldier of Allah on military duty and not a common murderer. So he was trying to claim more or less that the court did not have jurisdiction over him.

  75. Peter from Maidstone @ 18:55

    A seriously valid point, Peter, why indeed the MSM, the usual crowd of gay activists, the politicians are up in arms when Putin restricts gay propaganda, but keep schtum when people are put to death for apostasy in the lands of the worshippers of Allah.

    In the same vein, why do all charities, the Government always jump to help others, mostly in Muslim countries, when disaster strikes, do next to BA when our own people suffer?

    It seems that the take of Bob, the son of Bob commenting on the Hitchens’s blog on a different issue (that of a special relationship between the Republic and britain) may have the answer:

    “Who is more hostile to Britain’s interests, our own parliament, or the USA?
    In international policy, who is handing over power to govern us to the Europeans – Americans, or our own MPs? Who is dismantling our armed forces – Britain or the USA?”

    It woulds seem indeed that those in charge are more against our own people than in favour of them.

  76. Peter from Maidstone @ 23:20

    Peter, good point, but surely what the thug thinks is immaterial here, the law should have said to him go take running jump. Since when do thugs determine who has or hasn’t got jurisdiction over them?

    Another few millions from the taxpayers’ purse down the drain, i.e. into the lawyers pocket. Lunacy.

  77. The UK government is to give extra funding for gay rights campaigners in Russia amid growing concerns over the introduction of legislation outlawing the promotion of homosexuality.

    In an interview for the BBC, Culture Secretary Maria Miller said it was the “right thing to do”.

    Additional money will be given to protest groups such as Stonewall.

    The move comes just a week before the start of the Winter Olympics in the Russian City of Sochi.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25955930

  78. PfM 30th, – 23:20

    “a soldier of Allah on military duty and not a common murderer.”

    Well, we know who to blame for setting that rabbit running…Gerry Adams and his IRA cohorts. (although I do have to concede that it was based on their pig-ignorant perception that the British government was not the legitimate government of Northern Ireland.) Adebollocks can make no such claim.

  79. O(o) I think that Adebo would say that all authority that is not that of Sharia is illegitimate and therefore that the British state has no authority to try him, and a Sharia court would commend him.

  80. Baron
    January 30th, 2014 – 23:13
    Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 12:17
    Why did they decide on this troika is intriguing, Anne, there must be a common denominator to the three ‘greats’, but what is it?
    They are all politicians, Baron. To be a politician means that one embraces all the vices known, and still to be discovered by the common man (or woman).

  82. Peter from Maidstone
    January 31st, 2014 – 07:08
    Thanks, Peter. Johnson always had such an elegant phase.

  83. PfM 31st, – 07:08

    “A man of artifice; one of deep contrivance.”

    When one observes how the blighters have to function these days to get anything done at all, I wouldn’t necessarily consider that a condemnation. (But I suppose Johnson didn’t either, merely a statement of fact.)

  87. Peter

    As you are entitled to do.
    Though the question of whether Britain’s own interests were best served by involving herself in the European power struggle remains key to understanding our own present role and position in the world and our culture and civilisation.
    I suspect both Britain and the world would be a better, stronger and safer place if we had not gone to war in 1914.

  88. Noa, none of the comments made by the historian warranted such a conclusion. Indeed he recognises that probably all of Europe and Russia would have come under German control. I don’t think most people would consider that an acceptable outcome.

  89. Peter,
    As I have not read the article to which you are referring I make no comment upon it.
    However, France’s subordination to Germany was not prevented by two wars. Nor has Germany’s eastern expansion through Europe to include the Ukraine been quelled. While direct miltary force is no longer the tool for its achievement, the strategy is consistant and remains unchanged.
    The EU is now a highly effective vehicle for German foreign policy and a surer substitute for Von Moltke’s General Staff.

  92. A quotation from the article

    “…The interventions in Libya and — until thwarted by parliament — Syria have amply demonstrated British Prime Minister David Cameron’s liberal interventionism and his desire to reassert British power on the international stage. And, when it comes to issues such as gay rights, he has Commonwealth and former colonial countries specifically in his sights. To the fury of African leaders who want to protect their traditional values and cultures, he insists they must dance to his liberal gay agenda or risk losing overseas aid.

    But Mr Cameron might do well to replace colonial arrogance with Christian humility; and he could, and should, acknowledge some British responsibility for the Nigerian crisis.”

    I, for one, find it offensive that my taxes are confiscated to support a foreign policy promoting a minority homosexualist agenda and interests, at the expense of Christain interest and culture.
    Can any one exxplain in what way the promotion of buggery furthers the concept of ‘international development’?

  93. Noa 31st, – 13:38

    “The EU is now a highly effective vehicle for German foreign policy and a surer substitute for Von Moltke’s General Staff.”

    Indeed, as some have in essence been saying since 1990.

  94. p.s. I don’t believe buggery can foster any development whatsoever…unless I’ve understood my genetics all wrong. 🙂

  95. O(o) (14:52)
    “I don’t believe buggery can foster any development whatsoever.”
    Did you inadvertantly miss the adjective ‘positive’ from that sentence between ‘any’ and ‘development’?

    A litany of negative ones come to mind.

  96. Frank P
    January 31st, 2014 – 16:19
    O(o) (14:52)
    “I don’t believe buggery can foster any development whatsoever.”
    Did you inadvertan
    I should imagine there would be piles! ;-(

  97. An amusing piece, starting at “27 Jan 2014 : Column 689” and continuing into the next column, especially the dialogue between Jacob Rees-Mogg (Con) and Graham Stringer (Lab):
    http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/jacob-rees-mogg-we-know-her-majestys.html

    If only they were more numerous!

    “The Bill is a desperate disappointment. When I was first elected, I was told by my hon. Friend the Member for Aldridge-Brownhills that Governments would promise things. They would give guarantees, undertakings and reassurances about how Eurosceptic they were, and I, as a young and naive new Member, would believe them and put trust in the leadership of the party to speak as it did, just as my hon. Friend found when he first came here.”

    Yes, just so!

  98. Peter from Maidstone @ 23:41

    The financial support for Stonewall to beef up their pro-gay functions in Russia amounts to a flagrant interference in other nation’s affairs. We wouldn’t like if anyone were to poke one’s nose into our affairs, why should Putin take it. Why do those in charge believe that our way is the way, why cannot they get it other peoples want to live to a different value system?

    Few weeks ago, Baron read an interview with the Russian PM in a Russian paper, he stressed the legislation was to ensure as high a birth rate as the country could muster, theirs is one of the nations in which birth rate is below the level to ensure replacement, and quite lower to achieve population growth. This seems a pragmatic, common sense approach. You won’t find any of this rationale in the MSM here, why?

  99. Excellent Hansard link Robert C. Funny thing – the MSM seem to have given it a miss. 🙂

  100. Noa @ 13:52

    In the same vein, Noa, can anyone explain why many a policy of this or the previous administrations under Labour further anything but a sustained and brutal assault on the belief system that has done this country well for centuries? Nope.

  101. Baron 31st, – 17:24

    “We wouldn’t like if anyone were to poke one’s nose into our affairs, why should Putin take it”

    Indeed, but perhaps he’s on the ‘phone to Putin even now, saying, “Do what you will with them…we’ll make the appropriate noises, but we won’t really mind. Just make sure we get them back just before the next election.”

    No? Ah well, one can live in hope.

  102. p.s.

    “We wouldn’t like if anyone were to poke one’s nose into our affairs, why should Putin take it”

    Love the imagery!

  103. Ostrich (o) 14:52

    Your post seems to be a PS to a previous one about von Moltke.

    What’s buggery got to do with it?

  104. This homosexual supporting government, together with a distinctly “odd’ Police establishment, will I am certain take no action against the following demonstrators, as reported on BBC website. I am certain that if they were acting against homosexuals or terrorists, the police would make arrests,
    The home of UKIP councillor David Silvester, who blamed recent floods on gay marriage, has been targeted by protesters.

    Mr Silvester did not wish to comment but Henley Town Council said eggs had been thrown at his house this week.

    Insp Mark Harling told the Henley Standard police were investigating and condemned the act as “pointless”.

  106. Anne (16.43)

    🙂
    Actually I would have left the farmers off the list, given their current tribulations in Zummerrrzet!

  109. Frank P
    January 31st, 2014 – 19:12
    Anne (16.43)
    🙂
    Actually I would have left the farmers off the list, given their current tribulations in Zummerrrzet!
    Guess I’ve lost my marbles, Frank, but don’t understand your posting. Which list do you mean? And what about farmers? Cannot recall qeiting anything about lists or farmers, so please explain. Thanks.

  112. The BBC News site seems to have suddenly changed.It is clearer,but has much less information.

    m.bbc.co.uk/news

  114. Noa,

    You ask – “Can any one explain in what way the promotion of buggery furthers the concept of ‘international development’?”

    Well, it does tend to draw more attention to the circumstances in which Islam favours the stoning to death of both homosexuals and their proponents – especially when they are of the infidel variety. Aren’t such stonings just one of the kinds of “international development” that Islam is enthusiastic about?

  115. C’mon, Anne! Thought you were an authority on Cockney Rhyming Slang and my little juxtapositions (so to speak). 🙂

  116. Frank P
    February 1st, 2014 – 00:42
    Frank, please put me out of my agony! You are too clever, too subtle for me. Here I am, in the middle of the night, still trying to translate.

  118. Don Birnam
    February 1st, 2014 – 08:13
    Cheeky!
    At least I’m out of my misery…… 🙂

  119. From a correspondent:

    If there was a shred of doubt the world is totally insane, this will remove it. Only Divine intervention can restore us to sanity.

    Pythagoras’ Theorem: …………………….24 words.
    Lord’s Prayer: …………………………………… 66 words.
    Archimedes’ Principle: ……………………………67 words.
    Ten Commandments: ………………………………….179 words.
    Gettysburg Address: …………………………………………286 words.
    US Declaration of Independence : …………………………1,300 words.
    US Constitution with all 27 Amendments: ……………………7,818 words.
    EU Regulations on the Sale of CABBAGES: ……………26,911 words

  120. Malfleur
    February 1st, 2014 – 09:29
    You are right, Malfleur. As the old proverb states:

    Empty vessels make the most noise.

  121. Emailed to me on 28th January by the Samuel Pepys Diary site:

    Monday 28 January 1660/61
    At the office all the morning; dined at home, and after dinner to Fleet Street, with my sword to Mr. Brigden (lately made Captain of the Auxiliaries) to be refreshed, and with him to an ale-house, where I met Mr. Davenport; and after some talk of Cromwell, Ireton and Bradshaw’s bodies being taken out of their graves to-day,1 I went to Mr. Crew’s and thence to the Theatre, where I saw again “The Lost Lady,” which do now please me better than before; and here I sitting behind in a dark place, a lady spit backward upon me by a mistake, not seeing me, but after seeing her to be a very pretty lady, I was not troubled at it at all. Thence to Mr. Crew’s, and there met Mr. Moore, who came lately to me, and went with me to my father’s, and with him to Standing’s, whither came to us Dr. Fairbrother, who I took and my father to the Bear and gave a pint of sack and a pint of claret.

    He do still continue his expressions of respect and love to me, and tells me my brother John will make a good scholar. Thence to see the Doctor at his lodging at Mr. Holden’s, where I bought a hat, cost me 35s. So home by moonshine, and by the way was overtaken by the Comptroller’s coach, and so home to his house with him. So home and to bed. This noon I had my press set up in my chamber for papers to be put in.

    Footnotes

    The bodies of Oliver Cromwell, Henry Ireton, John Bradshaw, and Thomas Pride, were dug up out of their graves to be hanged at Tyburn, and buried under the gallows. Cromwell’s vault having been opened, the people crowded very much to see him.

    ____________________________

    There are also annotations by readers and links from many of the references in the text to further information. A great site and a great delight each day!

  122. Oliver Cromwell
    Is buried and died.
    Hee haw
    Marjory Daw.

    Dig up up his body
    And cut of his head.
    Hee Haw
    Marjory Daw.

    Here comes a candle
    To light you to bed.
    Hee haw
    Marjory Daw.

    Here comes a chopper
    To chop of your head.
    Hee haw
    Marjory Daw.

  123. Sorry Anne (03:29), just a little coarse cryptology.

    And Don Birnham – Farmer Giles sends his thanks for your help. No finger big enough to fill his dyke or stem his seething channel, apparently (apologies in advance to Mrs Giles lest she should think I’m casting aspersions).

  124. I’m enjoying the Six Nations while doing some work this afternoon. There is still a national pride manifested in events like this. And still it is mostly the indigenous peoples who are cheering in the stands.

  126. AWK 1 18:21

    Good job you asked; I didn’t pick it up until Frank had provided his cryptic explanation!

  127. Ostrich (occasionally)
    February 1st, 2014 – 18:56
    Proving we are such innocent souls! 🙂

  129. What percentage of US women produce Caucasian children?
    Similarly, what percentage of UK women?
    My suspicion is that the end of European Civilisation is nigh.

    Is there a controlling body that has engineered this and, if so, who are they.

    I shall certainly not go out on my knees.

  130. Redneck February 1st, 2014 – 23:09

    “I shall certainly not go out on my knees.”

    Nor will you have to, worry not we will have our own later-day “Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar (El Cid)” to come to our aid.

  131. David Ossitt February 1st, 2014 – 23:24

    “Nor will you have to, worry not we will have our own later-day “Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar (El Cid)” to come to our aid.”

    Do you mean El Clegg?

  132. Annotations at the Pepys Diary site online to Pepys reference on 1st February 1660/1661 to getting his sword “new furbished”:

    “Clement on 3 Jan 2005
    English swords often had a domestically produced hilt attached to an imported blade. (The blades from Hounslow notwithstanding.)
    Here’s a descriptive link with hilt photos of pieces from the 1st half of the 17th c.
    http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_engswords.html
    Blades of Spanish make were often considered to be the finest. The description “Toledo steel” is thought to have some cach[e]

    Pedro. on 4 Jan 2005
    Swords. L&M Companion (p98).

    (Men’s Dress)

    Dress swords, often with silver hilts, replaced rapiers at the Restoraton as part of the everyday outdoor wear of gentlemen. He was improperly dressed if he were without sword or cloak, and his footbot [??] would wear a small sword as part of his livery, thus emphasising the fact that the weapon was for decoration rather than utility.”

    May be we can call for the gentlemen (and ladies) of the Wall to have their right to carry side-arms restored – for decoration mostly of course, except in certain districts of our capital and great cities where utility is now the priority?

    Mr. Farage?

  133. http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/2-percent-of-england-doesnt-speak-english/

    Vote UKIP. Punish the three traditional parties and punish them permanently in coming elections for conniving to bring about this situation. Reverse the legal and illegal immigration trend. Hold the politicians and journalists (Fraser Nelson springs to mind) and judges and lawyers and civil servants and “social activists”) and the corporate statists responsible.

  134. Malfleur@February 2nd, 2014 – 10:08

    We need to stop the culture of people being fawned to when they chose not to speak in english.
    No job seekers allowance until you can speak English to a required standard
    in court and cant speak English. then pay your own interpreter.
    Kids in school cant speak English. Then parents will be required to get them taught English at their own expense.
    stop public bodies making stuff available in foreign. English or nothing.
    and all signage in shops etc. should be in English (Foreign allowed as well but englisg should always be there)

    go to France and try to do any business in anything besides french and see what happens. we should do the same here.

  136. Peter from Maidstone, February 1st, 2014 – 23:42

    David Ossitt February 1st, 2014 – 23:24
    “Nor will you have to, worry not we will have our own later-day “Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar (El Cid)” to come to our aid.”
    Do you mean El Clegg?</i)

    Or even El Miguel Portillo ……..

  139. Nicholas Watt, chief political correspondent The Guardian has written today ‎Sunday 2 February that Michael Gove has defended his decision to remove the former Blair aide Sally Morgan as chair of Ofsted as “good corporate practice” to ensure that a fresh pair of eyes can take charge of the schools inspectorate.

    Amid warnings from his coalition deputy David Laws that he is politicising Ofsted, the education secretary announced that the Lib Dem donor Paul Marshall would chair the board to choose a successor.

    But Gove declined to deny rumour that the Tory donor Theodore Agnew, a private equity boss, was being lined up to replace Morgan.
    ……………………………….
    What a load of codswallop when they were in power the Labour parties Brown and Blair politicised everything stuffing every quango committee and pretend charity with Labour fellow travellers, now some attempt is being made to address this chicanery, they scream like the proverbial stuck pig.

  140. Peter from Maidstone February 1st, 2014 – 23:42

    David Ossitt February 1st, 2014 – 23:24

    “Nor will you have to, worry not we will have our own later-day “Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar (El Cid)” to come to our aid.”

    Do you mean El Clegg?

    You are teasing me you know that is not what I meant.

  141. M<alfleur 6:10 – You can "carry concealed" in Texas, and now many other states since George Bush signed the first law. You have to have a licence, but you can carry your gun in your back pocket, briefcase, handbag, up your sleeve. Whatever you feel like

    As they say in Texas, "An armed society is a polite society."

  142. Don Birnam
    February 2nd, 2014 – 11:31
    We always have George Galloway! (El Sick)

  143. From a correspondent:

    TILAPIA PLEASE READ AND PASS ON

    Long read that could save your life….. This has been my rule for some time…..”.NOTHING” FROM CHINA THAT YOU EAT OR APPLY TO YOUR BODY.. I MEAN….NOTHING!!

    Thanks for this article. After reading it, I remembered that I purchased Tilapia from Walmart last week. I read the label and it was just as the article stated “packaged in Jacksonville, FL but processed in China. After reading it, I threw it in the garbage. At my sister-in-law’s suggestion, I took out of the garbage and took it back to Walmart. It had started to thaw before taking it back and inside the sealed (unopened) wrapper, there were little black particles that appeared to be feces. I took this e-mail with me and the customer service lady told me that she was familiar with it and as much as her kids liked Talapia, they don’t eat it anymore. I left the entire e-mail with her because it doesn’t just address Talapia.

    DO NOT EAT TILAPIA: Greetings and Salutations…

    I read several articles on Google about this, and even one that was defending the eating of tilapia said to avoid the fish that came from China.

    Also, I had just returned home from buying Publix & Albertson’s 4-day special of 4 bags of frozen tilapia for the price of one. Sure enough, on the top of the bags, it read “farm raised”, and on th e bottom in small print it said, “China”. I recently saw a Food inspector on TV… He said he had lived overseas and he had seen the filthy conditions their foods are raised and processed in.
    It is enough to make you throw up. Some foreign workers have to wear masks as they work in these places, because the food is so rotten and filthy, it makes them want to throw up.

    Many of their Fish on Fish Farms are fed Raw sewage daily. He said he has seen so much filth throughout their food growing and processing that he would “never” eat any of it. They raise this filth , put some food coloring and some flavorings on it, then they ship it to the USA for YOU to consume and feed to YOUR families. They have no Food & Safety Inspectors. They ship it to you to buy and poison your families and friends. Imported food we eat and the junk we buy

    Green Giant frozen vegetables are from China , and so are most of Europe’s Best.Arctic Gardens are Okay. So is Birdseye.
    Never buy the grocery store garlic unless it is clearly marked fromUSA orCanada,the other stuff is grown in people poop (even worse than chicken poop). China is the largest producer of garlic in the world U.S. is next.
    Buy only local honey,much honey is shipped in huge containers from China and re-packed here.

    Cold-FX is grown and packed in China and is full of fecal bacteria. Doesn’t work anyway, big scam. If the country of origin is not clearly marked beware. If produce, ask an employee.

    Watch out for packages which state “prepared for”, “packed by” or “imported by”. I don’t understand the lack of mandatory labeling, especially the produce. The country of origin should be clearly shown on the item in the store. I go to the local farmers’ markets in season and keep a wary eye open the rest of the year.

    Please read this very carefully, and read to the very bottom. It’s important for all of us.
    How is it possible to ship food from China cheaper than having it produced in the U.S. or Canada?

    FOR EXAMPLE THE “OUR FAMILY”BRAND OF MANDARIN ORANGES SAYS RIGHT ON THE CAN ‘FROM CHINA ‘. SO, FOR A FEW MORE CENTS, BUY THELIBERTY BRAND. GOLD BRAND OR THE DOLE IS FROM CALIFORNIA Beware, Costco sells canned peaches and pears in a plastic jar that come from China.

    ALL “HIGH LINER”AND MOST OTHER FROZEN FISH PRODUCTS COME FROM CHINA OR INDONESIA. THE PACKAGE MAY SAY “PACIFIC SALMON” ON THE FRONT, BUT LOOK FOR THE SMALL PRINT. MOST OF THESE PRODUCTS COME FROM FISH FARMS IN THE ORIENT WHERE THERE ARE NO REGULATIONS ON WHAT IS FEDTO THESE FISH.

    Recently The Montreal Gazette had an article by the Canadian Government on how Chinese feed the fish: They suspend chicken wire crates over the fish ponds, and the fish feed on chicken s–t. If you search the Internet about what the Chinese feed their fish, you’ll be alarmed; e.g., growth hormones, expired anti-biotics from humans.Never buy any type of fish or shellfish that comes from these countries: Vietnam, China, Philippines.

    Check this out personally. I did. Steinfeld’s Pickles are made in India – just as bad!

    Another example is in canned mushrooms. No-Name brand came from Indonesia.
    Also check those little fruit cups.They used to be made in Canada in the Niagara region until about 2 years ago. They are now packaged in China!
    While the Chinese export inferior and even toxic products, dangerous toys, and goods to be sold in North American markets, the media wrings its hands!
    Yet, 70% of North Americans believe that the trading privileges afforded to the Chinese should be suspended!
    Well, duh! Why do you need the government to suspend trading privileges?
    SIMPLY DO IT YOURSELF, CANADA AND THE U.S.
    Simply look on the bottom of every product you buy, and if it says ‘Made in China’ or ‘PRC’ (and that now includes Hong Kong ), simply choose another product, or none at all.You will be amazed at how dependent you are on Chinese products, and you will be equally amazed at what you can do without.
    THINK ABOUT THIS:
    If 200 million North Americans refuse to buy just $20 each of Chinese goods, that’s a billion dollar trade imbalance resolved in our favor… fast! The downside? Some Canadian/American businesses will feel a temporary pinch from having foreign stockpiles of inventory.
    Just one month of trading losses will hit the Chinese for 8% of their North American exports. Then they will at least have to ask themselves if the benefits of their arrogance and lawlessness are worth it.

    START NOW and don’t stop.

    Send this to everybody you know. Let’s show them that we are intelligent, and NOBODY can take us for granted.

  145. Laws is a little ginger rat. Gove deserves his treachery. He was sneaking in through the back door of Downing Street throughout his period ‘in the wilderness’ and you couldn’t find a craftier exponent of back door entry in this adminstration – despite much competition. I’d cut Gove some slack if Laws was bulldozed into his department against his expressed wishes, to placate Clegg; but I fear he may have chosen him. The only question that remains, is why? I’m still reeling from Gove’s espousal of Gramsci’s notes on the education of children. It chimes with Sod’s Laws so to speak.

  146. Malfleur
    February 2nd, 2014 – 16:51
    Malfleur I read your long posting, and smugly reassured myself that the situation you exposed was in the States and Canada and not here in Britain. Then, being naturally a little paranoid, I did a trip through Google. I found that many pea growers are devastated as Birds Eye UK have stopped purchasing their peas. In December, large orders were abruptly cancelled. I also ascertained that Bird Eye UK were buying from China. Chickens are also entering this country, fowl which originates from China.Need I say more? This isn’t the only worrying thing I found. Romania, heavily involved in the horse meat scandal is importing foodstuff here. Foolishly, I went to an Iceland store and bought a pack of processed cheese portions, selling for just £1. Never been to Iceland before, and will not be going again. Printed on the round carton in very small print, was written Product of Romania. I binned it!

  149. “when they were in power the Labour parties Brown and Blair politicised everything stuffing every quango committee and pretend charity with Labour fellow travellers, now some attempt is being made to address this chicanery, they scream like the proverbial stuck pig.”

    Add the the police and judiciary to that list.

  150. Don Birnam
    February 3rd, 2014 – 07:52
    Agree, Don. Unfortunately, with a dumb electorate and an even dumber conservative in power, I fear the swines will be back with a large majority. Can see Paedophile Harriet Harman and all the filth running the show.

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