The Coffee House Wall – 19th/25th May

Posted on May 19, 2014

This is the Coffee House Wall for this week. I won’t say that it is your chance to communicate with us, as we are all in this together. It is, nevertheless, the Conservative Blog post that has no particular theme, and where everything is on topic. Let’s just remember that we want to avoid ad hominem attacks on others. We don’t want to engage with trolls. We want to moderate our language ourselves as responsible and mature adults, choosing to use fruity language only where it is necessary. This is our opportunity to show what the Spectator Coffee House Wall could have been like.

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237 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 19th/25th May”

  1. What will the political tally look like by the end of this week? Bon chance!

  2. Anne,
    I think the tally in favour of UKIP will be far higher than anticipated, especially by the commentariat, who have done their damnedest to talk down UKIP. I have already got a bottle of pop in the fridge to toast the victory, our victory. There will be a weeping and a wailing and a gnashing of teeth in the offices of the Guardian and Auntie.

  3. AWK (tongue-in-cheek)

    Monday – NF accused of calling black people niggers (well, that bit’s happened)
    Tuesday – NF accused of being the co-author of Satanic Verses
    Wednesday – BBC accuse NF of being a friend of Jimmy Saville
    Thursday – population stick two fingers up to the metropolitan elite, BBC and media, voting for UKIP in the biggest populist landslide vote of modern times.
    Friday – Cameron and Clegg order the media to stop picking on Farage as it only increases his popularity. Millimarx claims Labour won the moral vote, announces there will be no referendum if he wins the General Election, claims he doesn’t even know what a nigger is but there should be no barriers to any that want to come to the UK and he’d be quite happy to live next door to one.

  4. Clear Memories – 08:21 ‘important point’

    I would like to point out that isn’t the same as Jimmy Saville being a friend of NF.

  6. THE TRUTH ABOUT MUHAMMAD by Robert Spencer. I have now read the book, it was a revelation, it lifts the lid on the founder of Islam. The work is well researched and accurate, a genuine exhibition of scholarship. Muhammad was a fantasist, a psycho, not to mention an out and out thief. It is easy to see why this book has not been published here, all the same it should be required reading for all the apologists of Islam. To paraphrase Michelin, it is worthy of a read.

  7. Countdown…….
    see you stand like greyhounds in the slips, Straining upon the start. The game’s afoot: Follow your spirit, and upon this charge. Cry ‘God for Harry, England, and St George!

  11. Hen goes into a library and says ‘buk. buk buk, buuuuk’ so the librarian gives the hen a book. it tucks it under its wing and toddles off.
    next day the hen come in saying ‘buk buk buk buuuuk’
    again the librarian gives the hen a book. it tucks it under its wing and toddles off.
    next day the hen come in saying ‘buk buk buk buuuuk’
    again the librarian gives the hen a book. it tucks it under its wing and toddles off. But this time she follows the hen to se where she is going
    Hen goes into a house and goes into a room where there is a frog in bed surrounded by books, saying ‘reddit, reddit. reddit’.

  13. Yesterdays The Mail On Sunday had the knives out for Nigel Farage, the chap who interviewed him on a London phone in radio program wrote a full page piece that showed he ‘the interviewer’ started out with the intention of trying to smear Farage.

    In my opinion this like many others was an attempt to discredit Farage, in my opinion the only person to be discredited was the interviewer.

    Following up on this the BBC political editor Nick Robinson today threw questions relating to that interview at Farage in a rude bullying manner, then asked members of the public what they thought his policies were.

    They are all running scared, role on the results of Thursdays elections.

  14. David Ossitt
    May 19th, 2014 – 19:33
    They are all running scared, role on the results of Thursdays elections.
    With the best will in the world, we cannot change the average man/woman’s cowardice when election time comes around. They hang on to the current rubbish, or at the most swop it for equal garbage, but it takes bravery to strike out and vote for something and someone new. Let’s pray that there are enough valiant souls to save us.

  15. I see the Prime Minister’s influencing skills and leadership qualities are on display again:

    “Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore should be sacked, David Cameron has suggested.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/10841583/Premier-League-chief-executive-Richard-Scudamore-should-be-sacked-David-Cameron-suggests.html

    and

    Guardian: – Football: Premier League chief executive will face ‘no further disciplinary action’ over sexist emails after meeting of clubs

  16. Lets see what happens on Thursday. Locals and the euro farce.
    I think many will vote UKIP in the euros, then think ‘what the f*ck’ and vote UKIP in the locals.
    Hopefully when they see the sun doesnt go out as a result of voting UKIP, they will do the same next year.
    too many unknowns for me to consider making forecasts.

  17. Vorsprung durch teknique, except when it comes to climate ‘science’:

    “The German Ministry of Environment has falsified the conclusions of a UN climate change report in the German-language version released last week, in an attempt to hide the fact that the country’s ‘green policies’ are useless.
    The ministry’s four-page summary of the report contains outright contradictions and falsifications of Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) recommendations, apparently made to hide UN criticism of the way the German government has turned emissions-trading into a cash cow for futile renewable energy projects.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/19/german-govt-falsifies-climate-report

    Wunderbar!

  18. Abu Hamza has been found guilty in the USA of being a terrorist. Wonderful how this swine got away with his evil for years, and despite 3 British citizens being killed in the highjacking in which Hamza was heavily involved, it takes an American Court to find him guilty. Seems Britain will go to any lengths to protect the enemy in her midst. What now concerns me is what is going to happen with the rotten brood, his sow of a wife, and their criminal offspring. Most are in prison or have been, and why are they allowed to remain here. They are still receiving housing, benefits and protection from the very establishment they wish to destroy. Can’t we ship them all over to the USA for trial and clean out our house once and for all?

  19. RobertC 19th, – 20:51

    “Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore should be sacked, David Cameron has suggested.”

    No, he bloody didn’t. What he said was that if Scudamore had been a member of his cabinet he’d have been on his bike by now, which IMHO is very different.
    It implies (I won’t put it any stronger than that 🙂 ) that HIS cabinet is held to a different set of standards. Judge for yourselves whether those are higher or lower.

  21. Is the PA who sent private emails from her company to the press getting the sack? How is what she did any different to the MSM phone hacking? As IT manager in the past I had access to all company emails but it would have been a major breach of trust to use anything for my own ends.

  25. Peter from Maidstone May 20th, 2014 – 07:00

    “Is the PA who sent private emails from her company to the press getting the sack?”

    How can they sack her, she is a Muslim, I think.

  26. O(o) – 23:14
    “No, he bloody didn’t. What he said was that if Scudamore had been a member of his cabinet he’d have been on his bike by now, which IMHO is very different.”

    He was poking his nose into something that was none of his business

    AND it is not as if there were no problems that a prime minister, if we had one, might help progress, or even solve.

    Did he say what what he would do if he was the Captain of the Starship Enterprise and Scudamore had been a member of his crew. It is just as pertinent.

  27. RobertC 20th, – 17:47

    “He was poking his nose into something that was none of his business”

    Correction: On invitation by a reporter he made the mistake of appearing to poke his nose into something that was none of his business.

    I am repeatedly amazed at how easy it is, after four years in the job, for CMD to allow himself to be wrong-footed by reporters. How the hell did he ever operate in the PR world if he can’t control his tongue?

  29. The major looser in British politics Nick Clegg (to be a bigger looser than Ed Miliband is quite something) has put his foot into his mouth again tonight on the 6pm news.

    If you want your country to be run by non-elected drones you are being patriotic, but if you want to restore our democratic sovereignty by opting to leave the corrupt EU then you are not being a patriot.

    I think he should move his family to Spain and help run a tapas bar.

    No not help run, but clearing tables in a tapas bar.

  31. The Guardian is catching up:

    Labour and Tory ratings suffer as Farage attacks backfire

    “Labour and Tory polling is showing that attacks claiming Nigel Farage is a racist have backfired since voters do not regard him as such and see the assaults as a sign that the political establishment are ganging up to undermine him.

    The attacks are said to be firming up the Ukip (sic) vote among former Labour and Tory supporters.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/20/labour-tory-poll-ratings-farage-attacks

  33. RobertC @ 22:21

    Well spotted, Robert, and if any of you cannot stomach to click on the Guardian link, here are two paragraphs from the piece that sum it up well.

    “As the band played for a short while, one of the party’s most prominent black activists, Winston McKenzie, a Croydon council candidate, used a loud-hailer to say he was proud to be a supporter.

    But he was interrupted by two protesters, who claimed to be from Romania and declined to give their names, accusing Ukip of being a Nazi party and holding a banner saying “Nigel Farage Racist Scum”.

    Here you have it, the modern Britain in a sentence or two.

  34. David Ossitt @ 19:06

    Nothing, not even a loss of seat by the pink millipede, would please Baron more than if this ghastly man, who leads the confused lot, lost his seat. His all year florescent vanity, contempt for the man on the street, the nonchalant arrogance ……, it’s just too much to bear. He alone furnishes enough justification for abortions on demand as the neat solution to boost the quality of our political class.

  38. Peter,
    You should receive the review in the next hour. I apologise for the delay but I have been a bit under the weather over the last couple of days. I actually had the piece ready yesterday, but my famous understanding of technology kicked in and I lost the lot. I have now re-written and it will be typed directly onto the e-mail.

  39. Peter,
    Just sent the e-mail. As I was typing it out the muezzin was squawking away over the road. If that lot knew what I was writing they would undoubtedly issue a fatwa

  41. One more day to the General Election and then it’s good riddance to Barraco Barner and ‘Aloha’ to cheeky chappy, Nicky Minaj.

  42. So, Obama, Barroso, and ‘our own’ Baroness Ashton didn’t see this coming?

    Russia and China sign historic $400bn gas deal
    Energy pact a boost for Russian leader in face of US sanction threats over Ukraine crisis

    “Russia’s President Vladimir Putin has pulled off a major political coup by securing a landmark $400bn (£236bn) gas agreement with China, a move that will come as a blow to US efforts to isolate the Kremlin.
    …
    A new pipeline linking Siberia’s gas fields to China’s main coastal cities will be built as part of the agreement and Russia plans to invest $55bn in exploration and pipeline construction.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/10846300/Russia-and-China-sign-historic-400bn-gas-deal.html

  43. I am glad that the constant stream of abuse directed at Nigel Farage has had no apparent effect on UKIP’s poll ratings. Every day for weeks now, the Mail has had a new smear story on NF. It just makes the Mail look even nastier than it already is, and hardens my desire to vote UKIP. It is so obvious that the other parties are terrified of NF and will go to any lengths to discredit him and his party. To his great credit, NF never attempts to smear the other “leaders” (I use the term loosely) and has acted like a gentleman throughout.

    As for Cameron, after 50+ years of voting Conservative, he was the first leader of that party to so alienate me that I could not stomach voting for them again. I thought John Major was a poor leader, but compared with Cameron he was fantastic. The party can sink no lower than it did when enforcing the right to gay “marriage”.

  44. Charles ‘compared Russia to Nazis’
    This headline has caused a certain amount of excitement. Whilst not a great fan of Prince Charles, I do believe that what he said in a conversation he assumed was private, is his own affair. Unlike his great-grandfather George V, he is not a hypocrite and is also far more intelligent. George V was a great one for talking about family loyalties and love, yet when the crunch came, he denied sanctuary to the Russian royal family, who all died murdered in their own land,

  45. If Teresa May was Leader of the Conservative Party I would consider, for the first time in my life, of voting for the tories. Two good things will be remembered, when this wretched government is past history. May did what Straw, that wretched marxist traitor would never do, she got rid of Abu Hamza. Secondly, concerning the vile state of the police, it has been announced that the Police Federation will have its public funding stopped from August and must make sweeping changes, Home Secretary Theresa May says.

  46. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 – 16:55
    Don’t forget the rest of the Tory Party need to show some balls, some conservative thinking, and conservative action!

  47. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 16:55

    She got rid of the handless thug at a cost of over £10mn instead of scrapping the uman rites shackles, changed her mind on gay marriage, began arguing the institution was for people who just loved each other, no procreation required, did FA to cleanse the Met of the corrupt cops. As progressive, rotten, decoupled from the country as the rest of them. How could you, Anne.

  48. Baron
    May 21st, 2014 – 18:13
    I like to be contrary and stir things up!

  49. RobertC
    May 21st, 2014 – 17:59
    Robert, they are a quasi conservative party run by a quasi male.

  50. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 – 19:12

    Even that is over stated:

    quasi – apparently but not really; seemingly

    Apparent, but only to themselves!

  52. The left have fucked up everything they have touched over the last 50 years.
    I start to feel they have been rumbled.

  54. RobertC
    May 21st, 2014 – 19:29
    I hang my head in quasi-shame! 🙂

  55. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 May 21st, 2014 – 16:55

    “If Teresa May was Leader of the Conservative Party I would consider, for the first time in my life, of voting for the Tories.”

    Just when you think you might have an inkling of how someone might have voted in the past, you have come out with a statement that tells me that you have never voted Tory in your life.

    To quote the late much missed Frankie Howard, I am flabbergasted, in fact my flabber has never been so gasted.

  56. David Ossitt
    May 21st, 2014 – 23:10
    David, I never could vote for the Tories, nor for the miserable Labour crowd. I’ll keep you guessing! 🙂

  60. THE EURO ELECTIONS DO NOT MATTER
    WE NEED TO GALVANISE THE REAL POLITICIANS TO ALLOW REASONABLE GOVERNMENT AGAIN NEXT MAY

  62. At last, it has arrived, victory over Europe day. Friends Britons, countrymen, I go to dump on Dave not vote for the sod. Cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war. Tally ho.

  63. Anne,
    Thanks for your kind words. They did raise a chuckle in me as I thought exactly the same as you. I had only read the first few pages when I wondered how they had let the book into the country, no wonder it is not published here, but Foyle’s came up trumps, God bless ’em

  65. There’s a lot of fruitcakes, loonies, nutjobs, closet racists, and bigots out already today.

    Looking good!

  66. went at just gone 8 this morning.
    I am lucky -there is a kipper standing for the council.

  68. On a different tack to the elections. (btw I was the only house with a UKIP poster in the window in my street. A few Greens, a couple of Lib Dem and one Labour. No Conservatives. My eldest daughter was concerned we would get a brick through the window. In 10 years we have become one of the most multicultural areas in town)

    Anyhow. A long term project has been to support our Christian cultural inheritance by forming a subscription society, perhaps a charity, which would commission a high quality and significant piece of culture, my preference is choral, which would then be performed by an amateur choir at an annual concert, with a new piece being commissioned each year.

    I am very encouraged to be in warm and friendly contact with two of this country’s leading Christian composers of choral work, though they compose for instruments as well. There is a long way to go, but I don’t mind the legwork. Perhaps next year a first piece will be commissioned. Perhaps the organisation will also sponsor a day conference or a series of lectures. Maybe a website and an annual magazine for subscribers. I certainly want to do what I can to support conservative culture. I have many ideas. My brain is fizzing.

  70. A couple of votes for the ‘wraaasist’ crew have been dropped in the box less than thirty minutes ago.

    In the East Anglia region the target is three, if they get four it will be more than anyone expected, and five? Unthinkable, but who knows.

  71. stephen maybery @ 08:51

    Excellent review, stephen, you should take up writing reviews, concise, to the point, and inviting. Thanks.

  72. telemachus @ 07:30

    You see, telemachus, you can talk sense, and it wasn’t painful, was it?

  73. This is a great day for England, there is something in the air, there must be for this morning I took out a subscription to the Speccie. I must be going soft in my old age. There is an election programme on Auntie tonight, I can not waite, all the usual trots will be there looking as miserable as sin over UKIP’s triumph. Loverly. Here I will stick my neck out, and why not, I couldn’t keep my gob shut even if it were fitted with a zip and a padlock, I predict that UKIP’s share of the vote, certainly in the Euro elections, will be 40%+

  74. AWK1 – 21:04

    Hold your head high – it’s the only way when you are up to your neck in it, as we all are.

    I am waiting for Sunday, for a signs of change that cannot be ignored!

  75. You picked the wrong post Baron
    The nub is the 7.31 post
    In the cold light of day on 30 May, the day after Newark hangovers will clear, remorse will set in and folks will retrench and begin to work for the return of reasonable government next May

  76. A loud cry for help.

    After months of hesitation, Baron has equipped himself with a smart phone the HTC One on a whooping tariff of £18/month for two years. But, in order to get the gadget going with e-mails, the barbarian has to fill in few bits, one of which is his username he registered with Google. He forgot it. The Google ‘help’ facility says: ‘go to mail.google and click on a window ‘forgot your username?’. Well, any time he goes to that website, he is already ‘logged in’, it seems to happen automatically, hence there’s no login page.

    Any suggestion what to do, please.

  78. telemachus @ 19:21

    Had you been around when the barbarian scanned this posting of yours, telemachus, you may have heard him muttering ‘I dunno, I dunno, there may be a different reaction of those casting the vote for the Ukip lot today, they may say to themselves ‘and what the heck, why not go the Full Monty, why not give the ones every progressive spits at a chance in the national count, too. Things surely cannot get any worse what with their take on immigration, the EU, gay marriage, gun ownership ……, they seem a common sense lot, a fag to enjoy, a pint to down in the local, straight talking …..’

    As the one eyed said to the blind: we shall see.

  79. Baron – 19:28 ‘Google login’
    Your phone’s operating system is Android, like mine, so I shall try to help.

    1) If you are already logged in, there should be, somewhere, an ‘Account’ page with some of your settings, like user name and email address. It is probably on a separate ‘page’.

    2) I had an email account, xxx@google.com, but after I pushed a few buttons, to use gmail, it converted this to yyy@gmail.com. Have you done this?

    3) Are you trying to:
    A) read emails from your google account (if you have one)
    B) read emails from your gmail account (if you have one)
    C) just trying to use your phone, with the data on your phone being synced with the Google account (at the Google web site)?

  80. RobertC @ 19:31

    Whoever runs the anti-Ukip campaign may be anything but smart. There isn’t such a thing as bad publicity, particularly when the masses smell foul play, the more they heap opprobrium and worse, the greater the spread of the Ukip’s message, people take note, more often than not they find the Ukip take on things resonate with them, provides an outlet for their own private anxiety the big boys have ignored.

    What would worry Baron is the MSM progressives turning silent on Ukip, that would be bad, people’s memory isn’t long in politics, but if the media arselickers are to bang on and on, it’s all for the good of the course.

  81. RobertC @ 19:47

    You, sir, are a star, thanks.

    Baron is reasonably well versed with his portable MacBook Pro and Google, has examined every bit of his Google account, everything’s there but a username. In fact, Baron doesn’t remember he ever used google username, passwords for each of his six email accounts, yes, but username, never. Unless his real name and surname are the ‘username’.

    And affirmative, Robert, Baron is trying to read his e-mails on the Android HTC at home connected via his wi-fi box. When he set it up yesterday, the emails came through on the phone. From then on, however, every time he clicks on he phone’s ‘mail’ ikon, the system says ‘alert, the connection failed, check your username or password’. Amazingly, both the username and e-mail windows on the phone have the same google’s e-mail address Baron has registered with Google.

  82. As to your point 2, Robert, it shouldn’t be an issue. On the portable, Baron recovers emails from all his google addresses, he can see the PC going through the addresses in the bottom right corner, hence it cannot be that Baron’s switch from googlemail to gmail would have changed that. Still, he’ll check. And thanks again.

  84. Baron
    May 22nd, 2014 – 20:03
    ” … every time he clicks on he phone’s ‘mail’ ikon …”

    What is the EXACT name of this icon? Is it:
    Gmail (with a capital M disappearing into an envelope)
    Email (with a @ disappearing into an envelope), or
    something else?
    Even if it is ‘something else’, you should, hopefully, find three dots, one above the other, probably in the top right. This will, possibly, bring up the ‘settings’, one of which hopefully be your email address.

    As a last resort, you should be able to go back to the shop where you bought your phone and they will fix it for you, probably embarrassingly quickly!

    After all, they did take you money, and they usually employ problem solving techies that prefer to solve technical problems, rather than the non-technological, almost insolvable, problems that we grapple with here!

  85. Peter from Maidstone @ 20:16

    Peter, this is the start of what Baron did, what the blue circle says is: Baron’s name and surname, and the email address registered under this name. This cannot be the username however because when Baron put in (in the phone settings for the connection to his google email) his name and surname together withh the same email address as appear in the blue circle (and other bits that are checkable, and Baron did check them) the system still failed, the same message ‘alert….’ came on. But thanks for the advice, Peter, the shop should know.

  87. RobertC @ 20:29

    Robert, you must give up on the poorly educated Slav, the icon is an envelope, white, orange borders. And Baron did click on the three vertical dots, went into the settings, follow it through until the ‘alert’ message. Then he tried any username he can remember including his real name, surname (that’s the account ID for that particular e-mail address), still the same outcome.

    Asyou’ve suggested, Robert, a visit to the O2 shop will solve it, and the blue veined barbarian will feel embarrassed. Age, you know, he has hebetated to a point, at which the memory department of his brain no longer functions well. Arghhh

  88. Peter from Maidstone @ 21:40

    Exactly, Peter, this is what Baron put down initially setting up the connection to his email via his new toy, but this is also the problem. The alert comes up when the system reaches this point, and as Baron said before the message it throws up is ‘the connection failed, check email and username’, which, as you say, should both be be the same, because like you Baron thought the username and the email were the same.

    Listen, Peter, kekko desu as the Japanese say, enough’s enough, we cannot spend hours sorting out this little wart when the first feel of the EU elections is about to hit us.

  89. Here is the latest prediction from the Huffington Post, we should be able to compare the forecast with the actual results on Sunday.

    “The prediction, based on a poll of 6,124 adults over the last two days by YouGov for The Sun, is that Nigel Farage’s Ukip will gain most votes with 27%, despite him being involved in a number of racist and homophobic controversies in the lead up to election day.

    Labour is projected to come second with 26%, the Tories third with 22% of the vote, followed by the Greens on 10% and the Lib Dems with 9%.

    The poll suggests that Ukip and Labour will both have 22 MEPs, an increase of nine each on the last elections in 2009. The Conservatives are expected to get 16 of the 70 European Parliament seats being voted on in England, Scotland and Wales, 10 fewer than before, while the Greens will get four – an increase of two.

    The Lib Dems are expected to lose eight, leaving them with just three MEPs, while the far-right BNP will lose both its MEPs, the poll predicts”.

  91. Anne Wotana Kaye 1

    Good review, too, Anne, Baron enjoyed reading it, and may even get the tome, he loves reading about the way of life (with all the boils and warts) this country enjoyed before the progressive brigade galloped in.

  92. Peter from Maidstone @ 21:58

    It would still be nice to see the prediction has undervalued the Ukip’s surge, Peter. If the forecast represents what’s already discounted by everyone, as it should, then imagine the tsunami of brown pants if the results were better. Sweet baby Jesus, if you are up there, let it happen.

  93. Wishing luck to Old England from afar!

    Hexhamgeezer

    Good to see a post from you!

  96. Hollywood celebrities caught on hidden camera accepting money:

    ” James O’Keefe is currently in Cannes, where he is premiering his latest video prank. O’Keefe’s targets are Josh and Rebecca Tickell, producers of environmental documentaries including “Fuel.”
    …
    O’Keefe’s crew pose as a Middle Eastern potentate named “Muhammad” and his American ad executive. They approach the Tickells with an offer of $9 million to finance an anti-fracking film. “Muhammad’s” motives are clearly expressed: he wants to keep the U.S. dependent on Middle Eastern oil, and to that end he wants to stamp out fracking. The Tickells have no problem with this at all. They discuss the need to keep the film’s source of funding secret, and talk about how they can create a false impression as to who paid for it.
    …
    Oh, one more thing–the video ends with “To be continued…” More Hollywood celebrities will be featured in the next installment.”

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/05/james-okeefe-punks-hollywood-greens.php

  97. Nearly 3am in the UK, lunchtime here and I’m listening to Winston, the Croydon UKIP candidate ripping the BBC’s pundit a new arsehole to talk out of.

    All the talking heads are desperately trying to talk down the landslide, they clearly don’t understand the sea-change that has happened. Winston proves why; he clearly has a contempt for the media shared by the bulk of the population. Of all the politicians, I think only Lyn Featherstone has twigged – politicians are so ‘on-message’, they no longer speak human nor can they relate to their electorate.

  99. looking like a goodish night for UKIP in the locals. disappointingly good for labour tho 🙁

    interesting to see see how the swings have happened later. I suspect libdems voted labour and labour and tories voted UKIP but thats a guess.

  100. Baron, I had the same problem with the settings of my google account on my lap top. All seems to be well and just when you think you are going to be able to reset the username/password the system takes you back to the beginning. I searched the web for an answer and found a lot of other sorry people searching for the same thing. The problem is with google’s reset system itself, It is so illogical and difficult -like being trapped in a maze; to save my sanity I gave up. Later I bought a chromebook and set up a new google account – with the memory of my last google encounter I made sure I had the username and password (metophorically) engraved into my mind and elsewhere. I wish I could offer better advice.

  101. In my own ward in Maidstone, with a high proportion of migrants, the results were…

    Labour 595 ELECTED
    Con 451
    Green 513
    Lib Dem 480
    UKIP 542

    Lib Dems lost the seat and Labour picked it up. But UKIP came from no-where, I don’t think they were on the ticket last time, and were a very strong second. Conservatives in a Conservative constituency ended up last.

    Elsewhere in the town the three most working class wards were all won by UKIP.

    In the wards they came 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 3rd.

    An outstanding performance I think. Everywhere pushing one or two of the main parties out of the game. In my own ward just another 50 votes would have won it and we have a high migrant population.

    And the turnout in the town was 39.2%. Much higher than the MSM was suggesting.

  102. Thank you, Sheila, it does help inasmuch it tells Baron to record all passwords, user namess and stuff in a safe place, always, never to forget. If he did this, there wouldn’t a problem today.

  103. Baron@May 23rd, 2014 – 10:07

    The problem with Ebay customers is not that their passwords are compromised, but that someone has their name, address and date of birth etc. With that data they can then open accounts in someone elses name, order stuff online, and buy stuff, then not pay. Then they don’t pay and you are left to sort out the crap.
    changing your password after the event wont help.
    Thinkvery carefully about putting personal data online. or put in incorrect data. Like an incorrect DOB etc,

  104. On a more serious note the High Court has ruled to go against the wishes of The York Minster, the people of Yorkshire and the descendants of Richard 111 and have decreed that ‘Richard of York’ will be buried in and laid to rest in Leicester Cathedral.

    Buried he might well be but how can they claim ‘laid to rest’ first and foremost he was a Yorkshire man, who happened to be King.

  107. I can’t get over how people I thought were serious are still saying that UKIP are racist. One person on my FB wall is saying that they are linked to Golden Dawn and want to repatriate all immigrants. Utter lies. I can’t bear to respond any more and will just ignore him.

  109. Heard “Any Questions”on BBC Radio 4 today, and Dim Jonathan sounded quite distraught when UKIP was discussed. So much for Auntie’s objectivity!

  110. We are told that UKIP has 17-5% of the poll.This appears to have been distorted by results in London.In places like Rotherham it is at 47%,where they got 30,000 votes.I look to see what happened in Tower Hamlets.

  111. Radford NG
    May 23rd, 2014 – 23:24
    You wonder why results appear to be distorted in London:

    We are in a dangerous position. If UKIP continue to gain support, at the most many more Poles, Eastern Europeans and Pakistanis will be shipped in, and at the least suddenly many more will be found on postal voting lists.

  112. It is reported that Luthar Rahmam,a notorious muslim Bengali,has been elected as Mayor of Tower Hamlets (the old Cockney East-end of London) on second preferences against the Labour candidate with a majority of 3,211.

    Earlier reports in local papers wrote of every polling station there having a police guard;and there has been lengthy scrutiny of suspect votes.

    http://www.wharf.co.uk/2014/05/post-58.html

  113. Radford NG,
    Yes, there were police stationed at the poilling stations in Tower Hamlets, and there were fears of vote rigging. What took them so long to figure this out, here we have known what is going on for years. I would be surprised if Rahman’s election wAS

  115. Radford NG
    May 24th, 2014 – 02:59
    I will forgive your misspelling this character’s name since your postings are so erudite. But surely, Radford, Luthar is a little too near the name Luther! The barbarian’s name is: Lutfur Rahman

  119. Malfleur @ 16:15

    Monckton gets in at around the 50th minute, and gets often interrupted by Jones, who seems obsessed with the Jacobins. And, yes, the swivel-eyed lord talks sense albeit with a somewhat exaggerated stress on the grip the progressives have on the world at large. As the Ukip’s success shows, the ‘pathetic belief in collective wisdom of individual ignorance’ (Mencken on democracy) may not be pathetic at all, when stirred up, the unwashed may still be be capable of changing the course of history. And they will.

  120. Radford NG @ 02:59

    In one sense, the election of Rahmam may help to bury the progressives’ ideas, expose them as undoable if the man fuggs up, as he must. There will be a cost, but it may be worth it if it opens the eyes of the hoi polloi elsewhere.

  121. Has aanyone heard from Verity lately? Is she and her cats travelling, or has she given up on us?

    Frank’s silence puzzles, too, as one doesn’t know what’s the reason for it.

  123. Baron May 24th, 2014 – 16:58

    “Has anyone heard from Verity lately? Frank’s silence puzzles”

    I am a little concerned, one would have expected Verity to have let us know if she had secured transport with her beloved cats, to have made a move without posting is out of character.

    I like the rest of you, hope that there is nothing ominous about Frank P’s silence.

  124. PfM 1820
    Are you sure?
    “If one had only read about UKIP from the BBC, however, one might think that UKIP: are the equivalent to the Fascistic Golden Dawn in Greece*, did not field a candidate in the Norwich North By-Election** or the London Mayoral Elections*** and – especially in party conference season**** – are essentially “a weird party led by a joke figure, a party that a lot of people think is racist and sexist”, as implied by 60% of John Humphrys’ interview with Nigel Farage on Radio 4′s today programme. This is not to mention the stacked audiences with whom Mr. Farage or PPCs such as Diane James have to debate on Question Time.”

  125. “a weird party led by a joke figure”

    Sounds like just the ticket for our pet troll,telemachus, (to whom I leave the sceptre and the isle)…

  126. “…Then down to the kitchen to eat a bit of bread and butter, which I did, and there I took one of the maids by the chin, thinking her to be Susan, but it proved to be her sister, who is very like her.

    From thence home.”

    Diary of Samuel Pepys, Friday 24th May, 1661

  127. Pepys diary entry triggered some browsing on my part. Now here’s a worthy 350th anniversary coming up next year and on my view it would be salutary to commemorate the disater as our wretched government runs down the Riyal navy as a reminder as to where Clegg/Cameron may be leading us:

    “In June [1665] De Ruyter, with Cornelis de Witt supervising, launched the Dutch “Raid on the Medway” at the mouth of the River Thames. After capturing the fort at Sheerness, the Dutch fleet went on to break through the massive chain protecting the entrance to the Medway and, on the 13th, attacked the laid up English fleet. The daring raid remains England’s greatest naval disaster. Fifteen of the Navy’s remaining ships were destroyed, either by the Dutch or by being scuttled by the English to block the river. Three of the eight remaining “big ships” were burnt: the Royal Oak, the new Loyal London and the Royal James. The largest, the English flagship HMS Royal Charles, was abandoned by its skeleton crew, captured without a shot being fired, and towed back to the Netherlands as a trophy. Its coat of arms is now on display in the Rijksmuseum. Fortunately for the English, the Dutch marines spared the Chatham Dockyard, England’s largest industrial complex; a land attack on the docks themselves would have set back English naval power for a generation.”

    Not an opportunity for our enemies which Cromwell would have permitted…

    How should the anniversary best be commemorated?

  128. Malfleur @ 01:59

    You must be truly into the Pepys times, a period of English history where little went right for the land of your forebears, Malfleur – Oliver Cromwell, recusancy, the plague, London in ashes, the Navy struggling .., Baron prefers either the century before or after.

    Still, many years (decades) ago the barbarian was lent a copy of the diaries to read, couldn’t get beyond page, was it 20?, returned the thick volume to tthe lender. The only bit about the talented, oversexed bureaucrat Baron remembers is that he spent time in the Tower, a servant of his accused him, falsely, of some religious misdemeanour. Is this correct, Malfleur?

  129. Few of the papers are quoting Farage saying ‘I shall destroy the Tories’. A mistake that, it will lose Ukip votes. Many people who back him are disillusioned Tories still in love with the political outfit, they would rather the party reformed, went back to what it was, a Burkean bridge between the past and the future, than be destroyed. Success does funny things to people.

  131. Baron
    May 25th, 2014 – 11:26

    I don’t think you yet have a grip on English foreign policy under the republic – Robert Blake for instance – and John Milton as Latin Secretary!!

  132. My point, in any event, is that we should commemorate our disasters as well as celebrate our achievements. If we forget our disasters, we may be doomed to repeat them – as with the failure to fund a strong navy at the time of the Raid on the Medway.

    2015 should commemorate the destruction of the English fleet in 1665 and celebrate Magna Carta in 1215 – learning lessons from both.

    Someone however wants the abolition of an independent British military and the nation’s absorption into the EU and NATO.

    Now who could that be I wonder?

  134. Baron;11-32am.

    Since 1992 I have voted I have voted for the Referendum Party,then UKIP,to keep the Parliamentary Conservative Party [PCP] out until such time as they in desperation for power return to Tory values.I saw this as a long-term project.

    Now Labour,too, have been de-stable-ised;so it could be either Party that may return to the British norms of [eg] 1944.

  137. Problem:Two postings referencing a review to “In Which We Serve”from 24 Dec 1942 with a link via a militant Jewish American site have not appeared.

  139. Three postings with a link to the site formerly known as Atlas Shrugs have not appeared.

  141. I feel the tory brand has become so tarnished by history that it probably can never recover. My hope is UKIP grow up to be the pheonx that will eventually become the new right of centre party. A bit like how Labour replaced the Liberals in the early 20th Century.

  142. Alexsandr
    May 25th, 2014 – 14:41
    A bit like how Labour replaced the Liberals in the early 20th Century.
    Alexsandr, that’s not such a happy example. Lloyd George replaced by those awful grey men? 🙂

  143. Yes Frank P and et al. .. AND where is John Richardson with his wonderful and weird writings that made us all hoot with laughter sometmes. Where are you?

  145. Marine le Pen is certainly better looking than that pumpy dumpy baroness running the EU! Signs are that Marine has created an earthquake in France.

  146. Anne.
    There will be earthquakes all over Europe tonight. and I for one will enjoy every minute of the tremors, I’ve got a bottle of Tizer chilling down in the fridge to celebrate.

  147. Radford NG
    May 25th, 2014 – 12:33

    Thanks for the link:

    “The real star of In Which We Serve is the British”

    So it is a waaysist film, huh? Just as well they don’t still have the subject to make them like that anymore.

  151. “In terms of Rorkes Drift,the Lib Dems are down to the last line of mealie bags”:BBC.

  156. Baron – May 25th, 11:31
    With the media STILL thinking that UKIP is still Tory-light and, in my view, that Labour voters have more to be disappointed about, and angry, not a bad call from NF.

  158. They still have not completed counting the votes for Tower Hamlets, not that anyone should be surprised at that, there are a lot of votes to count and one must make certain allowances. If Lutfer Rahman’s little helpers are doing the counting then all is explained, it is unlikely they will either speak or read English. Alternatively they have not finished filling out the postal votes, both possibilities have equal validity. Doubtless all will be completed in time for next years general election when we can look forward to another example of Bengali Gerrymandering.

    We are told that UKIP will not make gains in London, why should it, this town is 40% immigrant and turkeys do not vote for Christmas, and these people were imported to help sustain Labour in power, which is an honourable thing to do, unless that is, you are Shirley Porter. However, there is a great bonus in this for UKIP. Outside of London, people will see what is happening down here, and what is happening in the Capital could happen in other parts of the country, and will vote accordingly. I am contented, there may be hope for us yet. Inshallah.

  159. stephen maybery
    May 26th, 2014 – 12:42
    What an accurate picture you give of London. We need a Marine Le Pen to sweep down and eliminate all those who are destroying a once great city. London has always had newcomers, they came and contributed to the brilliance of this capital, but now we only have destroyers. Frankly Tower Hamlets stinks, it has the stench of ignorance and depravity and the historical past is buried under the take-away garbage which is preparing a path for Miliband to step on as Labour joins the Bengali Bastards.

  160. Malfleur @ 12:16

    This may well make you envious, Malfleur. Tomorrow, Baron will have a look at the 1215 parchment. It’s on display in a town nearby, and the barbarian has thirty minutes to examine it, at a distance, he reckons. Anything to look for?

  162. Radford NG @ 12:22

    Both of the two big parties have lost their natural backers from the past, the working class has morphed, or given up voting for it no longer feels Labour bats for them, as has the core voting Tories in years when ideology of the Left and Right was relevant, neither party has yet grasped that, only Ukip has got close to the new constituents, voters who have lost their affinity to either of the two big movers of yesteryear.

    On the continent, those political groupings that have wised up to this shift in people’s take on things have done well, as has Ukip here. Those who argue Ukip won’t do as well next year in the national count are getting it wrong for their analysis is stuck, grounded in the old ideological divisions.

    The FPTP voting system may prevent Ukip getting any MPs, their share of the popular vote will get boosted, and it’s only a matter of time before the Duffys of either of the two big parties die out, a gradual process that will, however, bury the two big beasts’ captive voters. By then, Ukip will have matured, the two dinosaurs will face little more than a vacuum of voters.

    What Ukip have started is feeding on a realignment of political forces, a gradual but also tectonic movement far bigger than any of the current politicians or the arselicking MSM scribblers can comprehend.

    The future is bright, the ‘healthy core of Englishness’ shall prevail.

  163. Both Blake and Milton were of the puritanic bent, well, the latter not as much as the former, whom some regard as a bigger navy boffin than Nelson (even though his achievements in kicking foreign powers were not as memorable, or useful for the nation, as those of the Norfolk man).

    The thing is though, Baron doesn’t think much of the puritanic movement, the followers were bigoted, pleasure killers, closed down theatres, burnt books, executed people (to be fair, the other side did the samein the civil war), inflicted other damage one can see even today (musket shots at religious sculptures, ceiling carvings and stuff).

    Even when Elizabeth I was in power they caused alot of trouble, objected to virtually everything the hoi polloi enjoyed, to a point of ridiculous like refusing to wear caps rather than hats (caps were preferable because hats were imported, caps made in England). The only mutation of the puritanic school of thought that has some attraction are are the quakers, the other splinter groups were just dreamers not unakin to the socialist nutters of today, Baron reckons, but you will probably argue differently, Malfleur, won’t you?

  164. The count in Tower Hamlets took so long because of the exceptionally high turn-out – as much as 150%, apparently.

  165. East Midlands EU election results.

    Turn out 32-6%.

    UKIP 32-9%[2 seats]:Roger Helmer (defending seat);Margot Parker(Northhants business woman).

    Cons.29-99%[2 seats]:Emma McClarkin (defending seat) a Cameron loyalist,much like Anna Soubry MP;Andrew Lewer (former leader of Derbys.County Council) a party loyalist:”Loyalty to the Conservative Party comes before all other considerations….”.

    Labour24-93%[1 seat]:Glenis Willmot (who put out a leaflet with just the standard Labour policies).

    Greens(5-95%) beat the LibDems(5-42%).The long standing (and ex-conservative)MEP Bill Newton Dunn lost his seat.(His leaflet claimed:”100,000s of jobs across the region depend on being in the EU.”A kite that is not flying anymore.

  166. In the Newark area,where Roger Helmer is standing in a By-election for Westminster,voting is about equally split between UKIP and Conservatives.

  167. In the West Midlands Ms. Nikki Sinclaire,a big fiesty girl (ex-UKIP,ex-male person) and leading force of `Campaign for a Referendum`lost her seat as an Independent MEP.

  168. Baron doesn’t like the Puritans -“the Pepys times, a period of English history where little went right for the land of your forebears, Malfleur”. Ok – nullius in verba,however. Baron is a self-described barbarous slav. He probably doesn’t like the City of London either, let alone the right to bear arms against a tyrannical government, or backwater thoughtsmiths like Thomas Hobbes and John Locke.

    For that matter, he probably despises the Frenchification of the English Court with all that hanky-panky and those silly wigs that everyone who was anybody were forced to wear and Restoration comedy and the outbreak of mediocre architecture that followed the Great Fire of London, snobbish Englishman’s clubs like The Royal Society, and nutcases like Mr. Newton who established a modest reputation for himself in the 17th century but then didn’t have the mathematical nous in the next to avoid going broke in the South Sea Bubble.

    Personally, I like the whole century – from King Lear to Absalom and Achitophel.

  169. Baron
    May 26th, 2014 – 15:26

    Yes, Article 1 and Article 39.

    Though note that these liberties are in fact natural rights as affirmed under the American Bill of Rights, distilled from the wisdom of the English Puritans,and not to be granted, or abridged, by any man.

    Note also in passing Article 11 for its assumption that only men can become indebted and thus, by extension, own property and, in its introductory contingency, for reminding us what s***s the Normans were.

    Good luck with the Latin and the scratchy handwriting!

  172. Malfleur.I think the problem with the above link lies with the CHW;you would have to try typing it in to the search engine.

  173. As the furore over UKIPs triumph continues and the media thrash themselves into a lather, the Tories fear Millipede will win if UKIP split their vote, whilst Labour fear they won’t have enough seats because they’re led by a prat (by the way, just what was a jew trying to eat a bacon sandwich hoping to achieve?), they all miss a key point they should be planning for and UKIP should be exploiting to their benefit.

    If Scotland votes to leave the UK, as I believe they stupidly will led by the Braveheart effect, the GE following should hold no fears for Farage. It’s possible enough imbeciles south of the border will vote Labour to put them into Downing Street but, when they lose all their Scottish MPs in 2016, they’ll be back out in the street and they’ll never see true power again!

    UKIP should trumpet this to both protect the Union before September and inherit the crumbling Labour vote after September. In either event, he needs no coalition with Cameron’s Tories. As I see it, Camerons only option is to use the Queens speech to disenfranchise the Scots in 2015 if they vote for independence. Whether this will strengthen or weaken the independence camp is debateable. What is not debateable is that an independent Scotland should not be in a position to decide the political direction of the rest of the UK.

  175. Excellent dissection of the wound to the body of cozy politics of the three stale, monochromatic, progressive parties, Clear Memories, it would be nice if the dagger turned deeper still, Ukip won the coming by-election.

  177. Clear Memories May 27th, 2014 – 00:57

    “If Scotland votes to leave the UK, as I believe they stupidly will led by the Braveheart effect, the GE following should hold no fears for Farage. It’s possible enough imbeciles south of the border will vote Labour to put them into Downing Street but, when they lose all their Scottish MPs in 2016, they’ll be back out in the street and they’ll never see true power again!”

    If Scotland votes to leave the UK this coming September then surely at the next General Election next May Scotland will not be allowed to vote MP’s to Westminster?

  178. David Ossitt
    May 27th, 2014 – 11:23

    My understanding is that, even if they vote ‘Yes’ in 2014, Scots WILL be allowed to vote in 2015 and their choice allowed to take their seats until the separation takes place sometime in 2016.

    If not, then nobody would worry about Millipede winning as, without Scotland, Labour will never raise enough MPs (and would not have done so for the duration of their last period of their rule, which saw all the gold sold (by a Scot) and the UK economy completely fucked)

    Byebye Scotland, you’ve had your fun (inflicting us with Bliar and Bruin), now fuck off and take your place as the newest third world nation on the planet.

  179. Baron

    There is a review by the Czech Ambassador of a book by Roger Scruton in the May edition of Standpoint which in hard copy finally found its way to my desk. It may interest you and I imagine that it is available online.

  180. Clear Memories,
    And so say all of us. If the Scots do vote to leave the union, and are still allowed to vote in the 2015 election, then there will be trouble. Up with that, England will not put.

  181. David Ossitt
    May 27th, 2014 – 11:23
    Hi David, What a wet Bank Holiday! Well, if Scotland do leave, there could be one absolute positive – that’s if Auntie BBC got rid of all the Scottish hangers on. Kirsty Young, who has systematically destroyed “Desert Island Discs” and that shrieking bint Kirsty Wark to name just two. The list is endless, descending even to “The Archers” with that gossipy, vile Ruth Archer who can head back for the Highlands.

  183. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 May 27th, 2014 – 12:12

    My sentiments exactly Anne, neither of the two Kirsty’s are allowed into our sitting room (via the TV), my wife loathes the pair of them.

  184. David Ossitt
    May 27th, 2014 – 16:58
    David, you are married to a lady of fine taste.

  185. Perhaps Tower Hamlets could ask Le Pen to moderate their results which change every few minutes!

  186. Looked out of the window shortly ago, another accident, police paramedics etc. Everyone hanging out of their windows having a good gawp at the proceedings, not that I was gawping you understand. There are times when I think I am living in a first class box at the Coliseum, I am just waiting for them to start chucking the Pakis to the lions.

  187. Anne, Stephen, David (& Mrs Ossitt) and Clear Memories

    Without wishing to be controversial, I fully appreciate the deluge of sewage one gets from the politicians & Independence zealots up here and how it must grate. However, please understand that there is a big majority of very stoic Scots up here who’re extremely proud to be British, want British Sovereignty & Borders restored and are just as thoroughly unimpressed by the whole “Yes Campaign” nonsense: something none of us asked for either.

    I agree with your sentiments though: were Independece to be Tower Hamletted in, don’t given the weasels any say in Westminster!

  188. Redneck:

    About 70%+ of the Scots seem to have voted for pro-Union parties.I get the impression that the most Scottish Scots,in the Highlands and Islands are pro-Union;as are the Norse-Scots in Orkney and in Shetland.

    Support for independence comes from aggrieved prolies and eloie in the southern urban swath.Much of the votes for the SNP comes because they represent Old Labour policies.

    At the most the Yes vote will have only a small majority,with only a minority actively having turned out to caste a vote for Yes.

    Then there are all the Scots denied the vote:those in England;and the great Scottish colonies of Canada and New Zealand–whilst EU foreigners are allowed to vote in Scotland.

    If Scotland votes Yes,we should remember all those who are not against us.

  189. Malfleur @ 12:02

    Merci for the tip, Malfleur, Scruton sits firmly on Baron’s ‘must read list’.

  190. The only thing Baron will tell you about the Magna Carta, a copy of which he has seen today, is that it was not signed. Not one of the 15 copies that were made was signed, only sealed with the green seal of John’s the size of a small saucepan. Virtually every source one reads says it was signed, which is, as Baron just said, a mistake.

  191. Baron 27th, – 23:21

    You prompt a couple of loose thoughts…weren’t such comments written in Latin? In which language the verb form of the word ‘sigillum’ meant both ‘applying a seal’ or, for those too poor to afford a personalised seal, ‘applying a signature’.
    Haven’t researched this at all, but it’s a vague recollection from childhood.

  192. Yesterday there was a march on Whitechapel Road, shouting squawking and waving banners on the way to the mosque, the brothers were celebrating the success of Lutfer Rahman’s latest gerrymander. You notice that the EDL is banned from Tower Hamlets on grounds of public order. There is a report being undertaken into electoral fraud here. Nobody doubts that the report, when completed, will be anything other than accurate, nobody doubts that it will be buried, Pickles will ensure that happens. As Anne so rightly said, Tower Hamlets stinks, but after last weeks political tsunami, things might change in the not too distant future.

  193. Redneck,
    Hang in there my son, common sense up there my yet triumph, especially if the Scots wake up to the fact that all this independence talk is the fruit of ambition. It has nothing to do with improving life in Scotland, it is all to do with Salmond and his cronies grabbing power for their own benefit, just as Blair and his mod did in England did, and we all know how that ended. As I said, best of luck.

  194. Stephen & Radford,

    Thank you for kind comments.

    Don’t envy you being anywhere Tower Hamlets Stephen: sounds appalling. I hope the egregious “voting” therein is given blanket coverage, there can be no clearer indicator of how low Britain has sunk than to watch those events.

  195. And why are the EDL barred from Tower Hamlets?
    They were attempting to denigrate Altab Ali, a young Bangladeshi garment worker murdered by racists in 1978.

  197. Just across the road from Aldgate East station is a small park, the entrance is decorated with Islamic symbolism and dedicated to one Altab Ali, a young man murdered in 1978. The enclosed area is littered with Bengali artefacts. Look closely at the perimeter and you will observe Christian funerary monuments, for this was the site of St. Mary Matfelon. The church was built in 1349 and finished with a white lime wash, this gave the name to the local village, Whitechapel. Nobody deserves to be sensly murdered, but that ghastly act does not justify trashing the locality’s history. Keith Blakelock and Lee Rigsby were brutally slaughtered but I have not noticed any parks being dedicated to them.

  198. stephen maybery
    As Anne so rightly said, Tower Hamlets stinks, but after last weeks political tsunami, things might change in the not too distant future.
    Afraid things will change, but not in the way we hope. Not only the EDL will be banned, but also the Christian Peoples Alliance, The Tories, UKIP and any other non-WOG party!

  199. Ostrich (occasionally) @ 23:38

    You are a proof, Ostrich, of what a good education does, it educates well, you shouldn’t be so sheepish about it, you’ve done it before, the confusion is, as you say, very likely because of Latin (all British masterpieces till almost the 19th century were written in Latin or French), even though the mediaeval Latin, the language of the Magna Carta, was as different from what we know and teach today as is mediaeval, pre-Chaceur English from ours. Only a handful of people worldwide could decipher it.

  200. stephen maybery @ 07:49

    The murdered Altab Ali has a shrine in Tower Hamlets, but the authorities are resisting like hell a memorial for Lee Rigby in Woolwich.

    Ukip is not only about Europe, there are other boils the party could help solving.

  202. On prejudice and stuff:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2641457/Revealed-How-9-11-terror-attacks-immigration-fears-fuelled-rise-racism-21st-century-Britain.html

    You may notice a direct positive correlation between age and the level of prejudice, the older the more biased against. What the graph doesn’t say is whether it has always been like that. Baron suspects it has. As people grow older, they’re less happy to accommodate the wants and wishes of others.

  203. Ostrich (occasionally) @ 12:00

    In a sense, Ostrich, it’s hard to blame the politicians when everyone wants the Government, a governing body with taxing powers at any level, to do everything. Any time there is a problem there is only one answer – throw more money at it. As Lincoln had it: if you ask the Government to do for you everything you want, the Government will take from you everything you have.

    The best comment under the piece reads well: ‘Liberal logic, it’s a crime to make money, but not to take it’.

  204. Cop this one Wallsters. Spectator, Tower Hamlets – London’s rotten borough. Nothing I have not said, nor you have not suspected, but it is an eye opener all the same and well worth a read.

  205. To be or not to be racist, or what the loony left see as racist, can in my opinion be a partiality or a simple inclination, to prefer one group more than another.

    Many years ago when I attended the Towns Chamber of Trade meeting as the Town Council representative, when one particular subject came up I apologised to the members stating that on that issue I was biased, the Chairman retorted “no apology needed as we are all biased in some way or another” and of course he was right.

    That we prefer to live, commune and favour our own is simply a human condition, to put immediate family first followed by wider family, neighbours, locality, town, county, England and our Sovereign, is not being or showing racism (nasty word) it is being human.

  206. I have lived and worked all over the World, and I have never encountered a society whose members have not liked another people on account of their racial origin. Racism is the most naturel emotion on the planet and to deny this is plain stupid, and displays a colossal ignorance of how the World works.

  208. stephen mayberry 28 May 20:34

    My own experience coincides with yours, but when you wrote “not liked another people ” I think you really meant “not disliked another people”?

    From 1957 until 1964 I lived in what’s now Tanzania, and soon discovered that a great many Tanzanians were very suspicious of Somalis whom they believed were (among other things) too much given to using violence, and not long distant folk memories of Arabs engaging in the slave trade made many Tanzanians not too keen on Arabs either.

  209. Herbert Thornton,
    Quite right Herbert, I am not losing my marbles. I never had them in the first place. I am glad you mentioned the Arab involvement in the slave trade. No attempt to get reparations out of them, one wonders why does one not?

  211. Ostrich (occasionally) @ 23:29

    The libretto was penned by a man called Sabina, an eager and productive police informer. This has always been a bone of contention in the piddly country of the Bohemians, very much so when the Bolsheviks were in charge, because they favored Smetana over Dvorak, thought the former was by far more nationalistic and ‘socially aware’. Not much difference between them on that score, Baron reckons. More to the point, nationalism was pan-European then, e.g. Sibelius, Tchaikovsky, but somee of the songs th songs the composers brought to wider audience are quite charming:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lrgGmKBKsE&feature=related

  212. Ostrich (occasionally) @ 1:07

    Anyone who has anything good to say about Morgan, Ostrich, can in no way feature in Baron’s book of people to listen to.

  213. Sky news.

    Northern Ireland First Minister Peter Robinson has stoked controversy by saying he would not trust Muslims for spiritual guidance but would to “go down the shops for me”.

    The Democratic Unionist leader is facing criticism over his remarks which defended a contentious sermon made by Pastor James McConnell, in which the pastor branded Islam “satanic” and a “doctrine spawned in hell”.

    Police are now investigating to see if its contents constitute a hate crime. Mr Robinson has said his comments have been “misinterpreted”.

    The First Minister, who has attended the fundamentalist Protestant preacher’s church in Belfast, said he supported the pastor’s right to criticise the Islamic faith.

    In a fiery address earlier this month, Mr McConnell said: “People say there are good Muslims in Britain – that may be so – but I don’t trust them.

    “Islam is heathen, Islam is satanic, Islam is a doctrine spawned in hell.”

    In an interview with the Irish News, Mr Robinson insisted the pastor did not have “an ounce of hatred” in his body.

    He said a Christian minister had a right to “denounce false doctrines”.

    Mr Robinson said he would not trust Muslims for spiritual guidance, or those engaged in terrorist acts.

    But he added: “Would I trust them to go down the shops for me? Of course I would. Would I trust them to do a number of other lifetime, normal day-to-day issues? There’s no reason why you wouldn’t.”

    The controversy has erupted at a time when race hate attacks in Northern Ireland are on the increase.

    In a statement on Thursday, Mr Robinson said he had not intended his comments “to insult or cause distress to local Muslims” and said his words had been “misinterpreted”.

  214. Baron May 29th, 2014 – 11:27

    “Anyone who has anything good to say about Morgan, Ostrich, can in no way feature in Baron’s book of people to listen to.”

    Would that be Pierce Morgan?

    If so, then I agree 100%, a most loathsome self-loving individual, and one who is certainly not a gentleman.

  215. David Ossitt @ 16:18

    Yes, David, it is he, a nasty, repugnant, odious, unquestionably revolting individual.

  217. Baron,
    All murders are repellent, but some are more repellent than others, and if they are committed by Muslims then, obviously, they are not repellent at all.

  218. Well, Baron & David Ossitt, I commented re Joey Barton simply to suggest that, if the producers of QT even considered booking him, it is ample evidence that they have no business running what they deludedly believe is a serious political programme. Any future prospective guest must surely consider, before they accept, “Do they really lump me among the same rabble as JB?”

  219. Baron May 29th, 2014 – 17:02 gives us the link to the reporting of the stoning to death by her own family of Farzana Iqbal, I have cut and pasted the main gist of the article below.

    Farzana Iqbal, aged 25, was stoned to death by members of her family in broad daylight on the steps of a courthouse in Lahore, Pakistan, because she had married a man with whom she was in love. This was an “honour killing” and perpetrators use sharia law to justify their murders. Some 1,000 women are killed in this manner in Pakistan each year and an overwhelming majority of the population seems to be in favour of them. Some 91 per cent of honour killings worldwide are “Muslim on Muslim” crimes. In Pakistan, laws introduced in the 1970s, by Zia-ul-Haq, and based on punishments recommended in the Koran and Sunnah, mean that women have almost no recourse in law and the male members of the family can do with them as they will.

    This latest horrific case was reported last night on the BBC Ten O Clock News.

    The following words did not appear at any time in the report: MUSLIM, ISLAM, KORAN, SHARIA, the BBC are week snivelling bastards who collude in murder.

  221. “The Flying Inn”

    The Muslim Conquest of Britain.

    A novel by G.K.Chesterton. (1914)

    Chesterton wrote a novel of the Ottoman conquest of Britain in which Sharia law is imposed including the banning of alcohol;except in traditional inns.An Englishman and an Irishman take advantage of this travelling the country with a portable inn sign.

    Apparently the theme of the book is a satire on `progressivism with a liberal Lord Philip Ivywood justifying Mohammedism and the actions of the Turks.

    There is a review at the link below.Clicking on `The Flying Inn`leads to a free download of the novel available in various formats including a page by page scroll-down version for p.c./laptop.It looks as if will be worth reading.

    http://www.danielpipes.org/14394/chesterton-flying-inn

  224. Do the English outsource everything?

    “Mohammed Rashid, a 67-year-old market trader and landlord who settled in Page Hall from Pakistan half a century ago, expressed views that are typical.
    He said: ‘This is our area and we feel we are being pushed out by these new Roma people. There will be a riot here very soon. I fear that this place might blow up like an inferno. I want back the England I loved.’

    One 28-year-old Roma man whom I met in Popple Street, a road of 140 houses in the heart of Page Hall where three-quarters of the homes are now occupied by Slovak families, complained bitterly about the bias against them.
    ‘It is us who are frightened by the hatred against us. Coming to this country, we thought that England would treat us with respect,’ he said. ‘Instead, the locals despise us. What’s more, we are stopped by the police all the time.
    ‘The Pakistanis and Arab people make complaints about us because we are Christians who enjoy a drink and parties. They do not approve of alcohol. We are two different cultures who are being asked to live alongside each other.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2644280/The-new-face-racial-tension-As-ex-Home-Secrteary-David-Blunkett-warns-clashes-Roma-locals-Sheffield-bitter-irony-previous-generation-immigrants-angriest.html

    Who is asking for two different cultures to live alongside each other and who is paying for the extra Policing? I bet it is part of the current deficit.

  225. “…yesterday I was back in Brussels, and I went into a meeting with the president of the European Parliament and the leaders of the big European political parties and groups, and their intention is to proceed as if nothing had happened …

    …every week we are paying one billion in interest on our national debt. And it’s quite a thought that by the end of the lifetime of this government in the United Kingdom next year, just in that five-year term, our national debt will have increased 40 percent. “.

    http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2014/5/30_Nigel_Farage_-_The_Entire_Western_Financial_System_Is_A_Mirage.html

    The KWN site has an audio of the entire interview here:

    http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2014/5/31_MEP_Nigel_Farage.html

  227. A letter to the Guardian (28 May) protests against Cameron instituting an inquire into the Muslim Brotherhood.At the top of a long list of signers are Bruce Kent,Clare Short,Jeremy Corbyn,Ken Livingstone and Michael Mansfield.

    All of these are former Leninist useful idiots,if not active Soviet agents.Kent was the head of CND–which I regard as a Soviet front organization–campaigning for British nuclear disarmament, removal of US bases and of cruise missiles.

    Before it is thought Cameron is doing something right;it is being done [it is claimed] at the behest of Saudi Arabia:and the Ambassador to Saudi is heading the enquiry.The sons of ibn Saud are very much part of the problem,obviously.

  230. Radford NG 1st, – 05:00

    We-ell, Radford, CMD’s reasons for instituting an inquiry may be a bit suspect but, given that list of signatories to the protest letter, it might be a lot better than doing nothing.

  231. ‘Jail my jihadist son’: British Mother’s heartache over Muslim convert son who she would rather was behind bars than fighting for al-Shabaab terror group in Somalia

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2645200/Jail-jihadist-son-British-Mothers-heartache-Muslim-convert-son-bars-fighting-al-Shabaab-terror-group-Somalia.html

    What does she expect the British taxpayer to do: keep him in prison until he changes his mind? Is she worried about him dying there or returning and continuing his new found role? I assume “behind bars” means prison.

    I do wonder how children in muslim families cope with the British way of life, with its concept of being independent, yet being accountable, compared with the rule obeying life that their community inflict upon them.

    She could become a Christian and show him the Right Way, but I doing something yourself isn’t considered worth the effort today.

  232. RobertC – 19:12
    Just seen that the son converted, so his Mum isn’t likely to be a muslim. What a dreadful situation for her to be in!

  233. “Ms Evans added that she hardly ever met any of her son’s Muslim friends but does remember meeting another convert, Donald Stewart-Whyte.
    Mr Stewart-Whyte was the son of a Conservative Party agent but turned his back on his middle class, Methodist upbringing in favour of becoming a Muslim.
    He too changed his name, going by Abdul Waheed, grew a beard and started wearing traditional Islamic dress.
    He was arrested in 2006 in connection with the liquid bomb plot, which planned to use liquid explosives disguised as soft drinks on planes.
    However, he was cleared of any terrorism offences.”

    Another family colliding with Middle Eastern culture!

    We used to have a wonderful country and now we are sliding towards a civil war mentality where the risks that our children are subjected to are now just run of the mill, where our police, social services and teachers turn a blind eye, and gangs are the new communities.

  236. A couple of references to the Breitbart article on Blair above:

    “The former prime minister, who is said to be worth £70m from the business interests he has taken on since leaving Number 10”

    Might that by any chance be for services rendered while Prime Minister?

    This exchange among the comments on the article:

    “henrietta • 4 hours ago
    I confess that in 1997 I was taken in. I (enthusiastically) voted Labour. I expected a referendum on our EU membership – does anyone else remember that promise? I expected an era of democracy, and a country ‘at ease with itself’. I expected education to be top of the agenda, and an end to the authoritarian nonsense of the National Curriculum, ie, what is taught in the classroom being dictated by politicians.

    I got: war, authoritarianism, erosion of free speech, MPs making money out of rising house prices, lies and constant immigration….

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    BlueScreenOfDeath henrietta • 2 hours ago
    “I confess that in 1997 I was taken in.”

    I wasn’t.

    I voted for Goldsmith’s Referendum Party, and haven’t voted “Conservative” since.
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