The Coffee House Wall – 9th/16th June

Posted on June 9, 2014

This is the Coffee House Wall for this week. I won’t say that it is your chance to communicate with us, as we are all in this together. It is, nevertheless, the Conservative Blog post that has no particular theme, and where everything is on topic. Let’s just remember that we want to avoid ad hominem attacks on others. We don’t want to engage with trolls. We want to moderate our language ourselves as responsible and mature adults, choosing to use fruity language only where it is necessary. This is our opportunity to show what the Spectator Coffee House Wall could have been like.

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146 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 9th/16th June”

  1. Malfleur
    June 9th, 2014 – 01:15
    Madame Defarge speaks:
    “‘Do I have to go on my knees?’: grovelling apology from IMF head for incorrect warnings on UK economy.” (Daily Telegraph)
    WITH A FACE LIKE SHE HAS ONE CAN GUESS HOW SHE CLIMBED THE GREASY POLE!

  2. ‘The Education Secretary will now ask Sir Michael Wilshaw to look into allowing any school to be inspected at no notice, stopping schools having the opportunity to cover up activities which have no place in our society.’

    Should be looking at people who have no place in our society.
    We have imported millions of them.

  3. John birch June 9th, 2014 – 16:03

    “Should be looking at people who have no place in our society.
    We have imported millions of them.”

    Too true, when will the powers that be recognise the truth, that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, we should refer to these as believers in a primitive medieval cult who at any time could turn on the majority they can never assimilate with the population of the UK.

  5. So Paw Broon is whingeing at what David Cameron’s doing, is he? Maybe CMD’s
    doing something right after all!

  6. Teenager, 18, used Facebook while abroad and racked up £3,000 bill

    via MailOnline for iPhone

    Carissa Grice, 18, from Greater Manchester, used the Orange network mobile, which is in her mother Ellen’s name, while they were on a fortnight’s break together in Antalya, Turkey.

    Nail technician . Har har fucking har.
    This is the generation who are going to save us is it.

  7. John Birch, well I think there is also an issue around our own generation allowing telecoms companies to rip us all off in this way. Perhaps we know to turn off mobile data, but why are we in a monopoly situation where we have to!

  9. Peter from Maidstone June 9th, 2014 – 19:05

    I have always been observant, I always see what is happening in my immediate vicinity and my observations convince me that the young are to a very dangerous degree totally dependent on their mobile telephones, both male and female, however I reckon that the girls and young women are probably five times as bad, than the boys and young men.

    Every day you can witness young women pushing their push-chairs oblivious to the child in the chair prattling nonsense into these telephones.

    I have mentioned before that whilst sat waiting for my wife as she tried close on in M&S I witnessed a young woman who was waiting for her mother to come out of the changing room, from her jacket pocket she took out then put back the phone a dozen times over the space of five or six minuets.

    It was an agony to watch.

  10. The Gove-May spat, its coverage in the MSM, the Labour intervention once again confirm that for the political class issues of grave importance for the nation are for them just tools to be used to beat each other, to advance their careers. What the two should be doing is combining forces, kicking those responsible, not heaping dirt on one another.

  11. David Ossitt @ 19:35

    Last week, in a town near Baron’s abode, a young mother was showing a picture on her i-phone to another teenage mother when her child, not more than three, walked across a street, got nearly hit by a cyclist in a hurry. The cyclist fell, the child was unharmed, the mother screamed, grabbed the little boy, and smacked him on the bottom. The reaction of the crowd pleased Baron, everyone had a go at her, young and old, and deservedly so.

    The ‘healthy core of Englishness’ still has common sense, and shows it when the time’s right.

  12. Could anyone enlighten Baron why the opposition to Junkers for the presidency of the European Commission? ‘He’s a staunch pro-federalist’, say all the papers. Well, show us then who of the apparatchiks isn’t, they’re all the same, it’s silly to waist political ammunition on an issue like this, does anyone think a body adamant to go federal will appoint someone who’s against it?

  13. Baron 9th, – 19:57

    Indeed, Baron; there have been enough articles in the press this last weekend suggesting Cameron is wasting his powder blasting at a stuffed dummy instead of keeping it dry for the next real battle.

  15. Baron

    You refer to the President of the United States of Mexico as Michael Savage sometimes calls him. Savage is banned from entry to the UK by two successive Home Secretaries, in each case for no stated reason. He is a talk show host in the US with a considerable following of conservative persuasion. On Monday, his stand-in, Jeff Kuhner, called for the citizen’s arrest of Obama for treason.

    There is a catastrophe unfolding in the United States, but it seems little noticed in the United Kingdom.

  16. Baron June 9th, 2014 – 23:41

    “http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/obama-trades-all-gitmo-detainees-for-magic-beans-t14061.html”

    My computer will not let me access this link, my McAfee says no.

  17. Mallfleur @ 05:50

    The Republic’s hoi polloi has always been confrontational whatever the issue, and here the issue couldn’t be any bigger. One listens to the one you so admire one gets closer to a point where the risk of slipping towards a civil uprising gets real, a danger that because the popular vote at the last Presidential election was split very close to 50-50. They, the American unwashed, start killing each other, it will go forever what with almost the 320mn people at it evenly sliced.

    What’s wrong with a democratic mechanism like election? Baron prefers the ballot box, it’s safer for everyone, and more often than not, it works.

  18. David Ossitt @ 10:11

    It happens to Baron, too. It’s either a clever form of censorship, oir the site does genuinely present a risk, government spooks infiltrating it with hidden bugs. If your security guard says no, you’ll better stay out, David. Not worth it messing up your gadget for abit of satire with a shelf life of a week or so.

  20. John birch @ 10:29

    The lot of those at the conference should be kicked out of our society as soon as possible.

  21. And how many of these Muslim extremists at the schools have been arrested.
    You know as well as I do.
    There always used to be some vague ancient law that could be found when the establishment wanted to throw the book at someone.
    But not it seems where Muslims are concerned .

  22. John birch @ 18:08

    Baron has already planted the video in two Spectator’s blogs, John. It should be shown to the likes of Gove and May, too. This is what they should focus on rather than spitting at each other.

    Itt’s possible some British Muslims may have also attended this ‘peace’ conference, some of them may have been teachers. One can only hope that the MI5 lot keeps a track on the lot.

  27. Baron
    June 10th, 2014 – 10:19

    I don’t think that you have by any means the full measure of what is unfolding in the United States and your eye is on the messenger rather than the message – or as the Chinese sage would put it, on the finger not the moon.

    Just one aspect (of many others) pertaining to the ballot box, the stability of the nation, the burden on the middle class, health and cultural considerations resultant on the criminal acts and omissions of the White House and its puppets can be seen in today’s headlines at Drudge (if you read it)|

    Kids Complaining Burritos Making Them Sick…
    Chicken pox, staph infection fears…
    Widespread sexual activity…
    Feds violating child abuse laws?
    Valerie Jarrett in secret meetings with activists…
    PAPER: Influx ‘threatens to transform nation’…

    CONDITIONS DETERIORATE AT AZ SHELTER

    http://www.drudgereport.com/

  28. “A Birmingham head teacher says that warnings over an Islamist “Trojan Horse” plot to take over state schools in Birmingham were first raised with the Department for Education in 2010″

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10861282/Government-knew-about-Trojan-Horse-plot-four-years-ago.html

    The connections should be made here with Neathergate. Will Fraser Nelson try his hand?

    Essentially the policy is the same as the one which is creating disiater in the south west of the USA though there, as often the case with America, eveything is on a much grander and dramatic scale.

    The main aim is one however – to manufacture a constituency of immigrants and like-minded nationals dependent on middle-class taxation or the funny money of the central bank and whose loyalty will be to the big state parties at the expense of civilised life.

  29. If you see what I mean:

    “Britain’s first female Muslim Cabinet Minister, Baroness Sayeeda Warsi, has come under fire for exclusively speaking in Urdu during a local meeting that was supposed to encourage people to become part of the political process.
    Residents in Stourbridge in the West Midlands complained that the minister spoke in Urdu, a language native to Pakistan and India, for the entirety of the meeting. Warsi is the Minister for Faith and Communities, a somewhat spurious position that critics have argued is only hers so that the Prime Minister could claim the ‘first Muslim woman in the Cabinet’ prize…”.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/06/09/uk-cabinet-minister-urdu

  30. RobertC @ 21:49

    Well done, Robert and David, we should give it as wider coverage as we can. Baron wwill save the link, use it in the future at every opportunity. Sooner or later someone in a position of power must spot it as has happened with the Birmingham’s schools where, as Malfleur posting says, the first complaint was made in 2010. It has taken four years for the authorities to make a move thanks to PC and the fear of the ROP. Scandalous.

  31. Malfleur @ 22:33

    Posturing, Malfleur, nothing but posturing. If the Yanks try anything they may end up with egg on their face, not unlike the U-2 fiasco in 1960.

  32. Malfleur @ 23:38

    Baron reckons if she spoke in English the immigrant contingent would not have understood her. So much so for cohesiveness in our rainbow society.

    One fears this will not end well.

  34. Baron
    June 10th, 2014 – 10:19

    ” One listens to the one you so admire one gets closer to a point where the risk of slipping towards a civil uprising gets real…”.

    Come on Baron old chap, educate yourself in this area. Surely you learned about disinformation and manipulation and character assassination and outright political murder of free citizens when you were living in Czechoslovakia under the Soviet and Quisling occupation? This is only one hour and addresses your innuendo.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6K9J6MyVEg

  36. Baron

    June’s edition of Standpoint, which just arrived here in hard copy a couple of days ago, has an editorial headed Living in Truth focusing on a Czech priest called Tomáš Halík and “multiculturalism” in Britain. You be interested.

    I like the magazine very much, but the editor has taken a strong anti-Russian, or should I say anti-Putin, stand on the new “East/West” crisis. In particular, serious attention obviously has to be paid to the series of articles published under the headline “Ukraine Betrayed” in the April issue and George Weigel’s piece in the May number. I will have to re-read them as I am still persuaded that Russia is more sinned against than sinning in this case.

  38. Baron,
    You say what is going on in Brum is scandalous, no, it is treasonous, there is no other way to describe what is going on. Nor can the politicians claim ignorance in this, they are perfectly aware of what is going on, but have not acted for fear of the metropolitan intelligentsia. Like the aristocracy in pre-revolutionary France they have an absolute contempt for the opinions of ordinary folk, and what happened in France is more than likely to happen here. Let nobody be in any doubt about this, we are sitting on a powder keg. Those who ignore the lessons of history are condemned to repeat it’s mistakes.

  40. Thanks for the link to Halik, Malfleur. His writings look very interesting and I will certainly get hold of one today. I am working on plans for a day conference in 2015 and he might be a possible speaker by the look of it.

  41. stephen maybery @ 05:00

    Your adjective fits what goes on in the schools with the predominance of kids whose parents follow Allah much better, agreed. You are also right that everyone knows, (or at least should know, what do we pay them for), does BA to stop it.

    Baron reckons it’s because those in charge, at whatever level, are caught in a pincer movement, on the one hand, there is the legislation encasing the progressive shibboleths of PC, moral relativism, the rainbow soceity (every criticism of any ethnic group and the left leaning loonies shout ‘whaaacism’), and on the other hand, there is the real fear some deranged mullah issues a fatwa, or a deranged follower of the ROP, brainwashed by the jihadist teaching, takes it into his own hands, goes does harm to the one who opposes the extremes of the ROP publicly. We have enough examples of it, and one has to have some sympathy with those exposed to it. Would anyone enjoy life looking over one’s shoulder 24/7?

    Baron has said it before, we have to remove both these two bumps before we can successfully deal with the issue of sharia infiltration into our secular society. The former hindrance, i.e. the legislative mindcuffs, should be easier to do, the other would necessitate either kicking out of the country not only the one who does serious harm, but the whole expended family of his, too, or at least jailing the thug for life, no chance of parole.

  44. The article below appeared to be a reasonable article until I read the excerpt below. It is ‘agenda creep’, with some added fear, uncertainty and doubt!

    I fear Islamic extremism in these schools is just the tip of the iceberg By MANZOOR MOGHAL, chairman of the Muslim Forum, who warned 10 years ago in the Mail of militants targeting our schools

    “Personally, I would also take religion out of state schools altogether, as happens in France.
    I know Britain is a Christian country and that some Catholic and Church of England schools are among the best in the land. But, for me, faith should belong to the private realm rather than the educational structure.
    It is wrong, I feel, for the taxpayer to be required to support different types of religious ethos.
    True, not one of the schools in the Ofsted Birmingham report is a faith institution and each is run by the local authority.
    But the very fact that Muslim faith schools exist has been eagerly used by the radicals to further their campaign. If we had an entirely secular state system, it would be much harder for the zealots to gain ground.”
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2654598/I-fear-Islamic-extremism-schools-just-tip-iceberg-By-MANZOOR-MOGHAL-chairman-Muslim-Forum-warned-10-years-ago-Mail-militants-targeting-schools.html

    There are so many misconceptions, I wonder how he managed to publish it!

    He thinks that because one religion is unable to control its adherents, all religions must be barred! This should, according to his own faith, earn him the death penalty, so I would be surprised if he were a member of Mensa!

    He also states, “faith should belong to the private realm”, which shows that he does not understand that teachers,in Britain, are in loco parentis, and not an agent of the theocratic State! Given the religion, it is understandable!

    If he likes the French solution, he does have the choice to go there, though I don’t think France is in a much better situation! Britain has, over the centuries, has ended up with what we have. Why change it for the recently arrived and disappoint everyone else?

    He could always go to Morocco, Afghanistan, Tunisia, Iraq, Jordan, Somalia, Azerbaijan, Maldives, Niger, Comoros, Algeria, Palestinian territories, Saudi Arabia, Djibouti, Libya, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Senegal, Gambia, Egypt, Turkmenistan Syria, Mali, Kosovo, Middle East-North Africa or Bangladesh, where he could enjoy his own religion. Yes, really enjoy it!

    But he doesn’t; he wants to help destroy our own VERY SUCCESSFUL culture.

    And what has he been doing for the last TEN YEARS? Shouldn’t he have been campaigning for moderation everywhere, on the BBC, in the mosques, explaining to the ‘equality quangos’ how dangerous this religion is?

    But then, we have to remember JB’s link:
    http://youtu.be/egjo70WM4Oc

    If the chairman of the Muslim Forum, no less, says, “I know Britain is a Christian country and that some Catholic and Church of England schools are among the best in the land.”, why not let all children in this country have a Christian based education.

    It doesn’t need to be evangelical. The C of E is very good at that! 🙂

    It is what used to have, and not so long ago!

  45. RobertC – 15:37

    I have just reread the article and seen this:
    “We cannot allow the Islamic radicals to use their pernicious influence in our schools to deepen divisions in modern Britain. We should be pushing in the opposite direction — towards a harmonious Britain, irrespective of faith.
    That is why the senior members of the Cabinet, especially Education Secretary Michael Gove and Home Secretary Theresa May, should be presenting a united front against extremism rather than indulging in point-scoring as they jostle for position.”

    Does one infer that this guy is not a ‘radical’?

    I don’t – he is creating confusion to help his ultimate goal!

    And getting Secretaries of State to present a united front is what we have had for decades so, no wonder, he wants THAT to continue!

    When he says that “We should be pushing in the opposite direction — towards a harmonious Britain, irrespective of faith.” he should remember that the indigenous population haven’t been allowed to – because we are White!

  48. From comments at above link

    Islam dictates that the Qur’an is read in the original classical Arabic which few understand. At the madrassas children are taught to recite it by wrote without understanding it at all. They have to rely on the teachings of Imams to tell them what the Qur’an says, and they in their turn have learned from other Imams.

    Their learning is incomplete, and open to huge manipulation – if someone wants peace then they only teach those verses which appeal, if they want violence then there’s a whole book to choose from.

    This isn’t a case of someone knowing the teachings of their religion and following a peaceful course, it’s a case of ignorance of their own religion and its teachings.

    They are not ‘moderate’ Muslims making a choice in the way Christians can & do, nor are they ‘lapsed’ or choosing not to follow the teachings again as many Christians do. They simply have no knowledge of what their religion demands and neither do their Imams.

    If you want an example of this then listen to the recording of Robert Spencer and the Imam who clearly had little knowledge of the Qur’an or Islam.

    To summarise, this is not a case of ‘moderate’, ‘extreme’, or ‘fundamentalism’, it’s a case of ignorance – sometimes wilful and tradition. You can only be an extremist or fundamentalist if you understand the fundamentals. How can someone like Anjem Choudary be arrested for hate speech when he is only preaching from the Qur’an? To do so would be to find that Islam is indeed a hate filled violent religion and that simply isn’t going to happen in this Politically Correct environment.

    Says it all in my opinion.

  49. Probably going to be an unpopular view here but I think all religion should get out of state funded schools. I think the problems they had/have in northern ireland are made far worse by segregated schools.
    OK the ethos of church schools is good, but I am sure that could be made to happen in a secular school
    I think the secular education the French have is right.

  50. Alexsandr, have to disagree. I pay taxes, why should I want my son raised in an atheist environment, which is what secular education means. He is presently benefiting from a brilliant education and ethos at my local Catholic school. The attitude of staff towards their charges is a model for all schools. There is no segregation. That is absolutely a red herring. I want the sort of education he is getting. I pay taxes. Why should the anti-Christians get to educate my child?

  51. I agree Peter. This is a Christian country.
    I never would have called myself Christian 15 years ago but the world is changing .
    I now call myself Christian to make it clear what side I am on.
    This is going to be important in the future.

  52. Peter and John
    You can raise your son to be Christian. But that doesn’t meant he has to be shut away in a ghetto school. surely his education would be broadened by being with people of other faiths and atheists.
    and if it is so important for you to give him a narrow religious education, then there are private schools
    Do you not think that if there had not been segregated schools in NI in the 60’s and 70’s then the troubles would not have been so bad. Its easy to do nasty things to strangers. but to your classmates???

  53. Alexsandr, the experience of NI is a red herring. It is not the experience in any school I know. My own son has friends in many of the local schools, and his girlfriend goes to a different school. It is not NI in the 70s. And his school is certainly not shut away or a ghetto. He meets plenty of people from different backgrounds already. Forcing him to be taught in an atheistic culture is to have already subverted our British Christian culture and heritage. Why on earth would a young man in 2014 being taught in a brilliant Catholic school want to do anything nasty to anyone?

  54. RobertC @ 16:48

    Good piece, Robert, and an even better clip with the great Mark.

    The thing is though, listening to him, one gets a sense of abit of woolliness here and there, he should brush things up particularly when it comes to the key question the anchorman asked: ‘Why is the European culture so weak that the Muslim newcomers are reluctant to assimilate with it’.

    Mark should adopt an answer not unakin to what Baron has been pushing for some time. It was that the cultural elites, mostly after WW2, and predominantly for good motives, embraced the notion so neatly encapsulated in Susan Sontag’s ‘the white race is the cancer of the human history’.

    By subscribing to this take on the world’s history, the elites hoped to not only eradicate a rise of another creed similar to the Nazis’ supremacy theory of the Germanic race (hence all cultures became morally equal), which they hoped would avoid another race based military conflict like the WW2. It was also supposed to atone for the wrongs committed by the white race of Europe on others when colonisation, slavery were in vogue (Africa, Latin America, Australia).

    As inevitably happens with well meaning left leaning experiments, the exercise has misfired, and in some cases massively so. How do we, for inst. square up Islam as the foundation of state governance with secular ideas of governance. It’s not doable, one cannot have secular institutions married to the ideas scribbled down many centuries ago by a man most likely under the influence of poisonous mushrooms.

  55. John birch @ 17:13

    Good rant, John, and Baron uses the noun in a positive sense, you understand.

    But consider this:

    What is then that makes well over 1.5bn people to stick to Islam, to defend it with their life, to kill for it? It cannot be all ignorance, not all Muslims can be imbeciles, it cannot all be the inertia of history. What is it then?

    And also this. We have no hope of changing Islam, cooling it down, turning it into something akin to reformed Christianity. The vast majority of us, Judeo-Christians have little knowledge of it, and as Baron said before, we are not members of the club.

    More to the point, we have no hope to eradicate it in the world, a nd given we live in an ever shrinking world, we have to find ways of living with it. How do we do it?

  56. Baron@June 11th, 2014 – 19:44

    they are all scared of being accused of apostasy. Its like a secret society. no-one dares shout ‘the emperor isn’t wearing any clothes’

  57. Baron.19.44.

    I can only think of one way.
    Us to leave their countries and them to leave ours.
    Islam is not compatible with our way of life and our way of life is not compatible with theirs.
    Their religion makes no concession to anyone else’s .
    They are very clear in their beliefs unlike us, which gives them a clear advantage.
    No poncing about worrying about atheist and homosexuals , there all nonbelievers . Job done. All in the same group.
    If the powder keg is going to explode the sooner the better because every year that passes there are more of them and less of us.

  58. I should add I have no problems with any other religion .
    There are quite a few we could take lessons from.
    But the Islam problem worldwide is escalating and they know we don’t know what to do about it.
    They have the advantage when we understand their grievances even after 9/11.

  59. We do not need to understand Islam, just remember how the Spanish dealt with the problem. Everyone outside the gilded halo of the metropolitan intelligentsia understands this, as the Muhamadun leaders understand only too well, and will press on regardless until stopped in the only manner they understand. The Reconquista might be a little distant for some folk, in that case fast forward to Sakhalin 1945, when Stalin turfed 600K Japanese back into the arms of the rising sun.

  60. Baron > telemachus • 10 hours ago

    You don’t get it, telemachus, the stuff you mention that Labour did is akin to the crew on the Titanic switching to bigger buckets to get the water out of the sinking ship. Where Labour fugged up, again bigger than big, is when they set up the NHS, a small replica of communism in the first place.

    This, my sparring partner, is the crime. The paradigm of ‘free at the point of delivery’ on which the NHS rests isn’t doable in real life, the NHS like the Red Menace of the East will also collapse. Rationing treatment through NICE ukaz will be seen even less palatable that allocating it by money.

    telemachus > Baron • 6 hours ago

    Funnily enough I agree with you
    However the NHS is a sacred cow and change to a workable system will be difficult and could only be delivered by a socialist government
    Continuing to try and deliver everything via the NHS is unaffordable
    We must start the debate about what is NECESSARY as opposed to what is desirable
    There are many issues including whether an ageist policy which used to limit expense is in fact reasonable

  62. TELEMUCUS- OBVIOUSLY HE TRASHED YOU AGAIN.
    Truly you’re a glutton for punishment and, as an invincible idiot, incapable of knowing when a size 11 Loake has been so firmly buried up your Stalinist fundamental that there aren’t enough pages in Das Kapital to wipe away the illogical derivative crap you pollute cyberspace with.
    Try a little logic from a cold eyed, objective pragmatist:
    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/?ico=columnists^editors_choice

  63. The bald Yorkshireman is worried. ‘I’m worried, very worried’, he said in an interview on the ITV 10 o’clock news about the unfolding Iraqi disaster – tens of thousands of the Iraqi forces equipped and trained by the messiah’s men running away as fast as they can as few thousands Al Qaeda jihadists march happily towards Baghdad virtually unopposed.

    Here you have a good example why the ordinary followers of Allah are so reluctant to join in, to give up on a vile creed, to become civilised. Would you take up a subscription to a club that behaves as the West does?

    In the good old days when people talking about lesbians would ask ‘but what do they do together?’, the days of boat diplomacy, we would have dispatched few of them and hit the deluded jihadists with all we had. Of course, today, we no longer have the boats, but our ‘special friend’, the messiah has drones. A two dozen of them flying 24/7 missions would have dispatched the armed thugs to the place of the 72 virgins easily. Instead, the messiah (or his wife, which is even better) will do a tweet ‘stop behaving nastily, embrace democracy’, and the taxpayers of the Republic will pay for the shipment of military hardware that is likely to end up in the hands of the jihadists and, not to be left out, the taxpayers of the EU will send tens of millions of Euro as a humanitarian aid most likely enriching few shysters charged with the distribution of it.

    Madness.

  64. Alexsandr @ 18:32

    You are worried unnecessarily, Alexandr, the CoE religion tastes so mild it can do no harm to anyone. Except for the ROP, all the other religions aren’t much different either.

    The biggets boil on our schooling stems from both the Tories and Labour (who started it) embracing the comprehensive model hoping to beat Nature, a sign of deep delusion.

    Take any human ability you can think of – swimming, reading, jumping, running, thinking, counting, singing ….., get a big number of people together, test them, plot the outcome of the tests on XY axis. In every case, the result will resemble a bell curve, the shape of it may differ, but it will always be unmistakably that of a bell, the left rim representing people who have low scores in any of the disciplines (5%-10% of the total), the right hand rim the best ones (10%-15%). Most of us will fit the fat middle. It’s the Nature that slices us into such positions, one can do BA about it except accept it, structure education around it.

    The comprehensive model failed mostly because it ignored this simple, common sense view of life. Those of low ability to learn mixed with those on the opposite of the spectrum, the former pulling the whole lot down,

    The model did, however, reflected one of the key idiotic ‘axioms’ of the Left, namely that we’re all equal. We are not, and unless we shake off this imbecilic notion, we will never get the education of our kids right. Whether the running of schools that reflect what Nature endows us with is doped with mild doses of reformed faiths is of secondary importance.

  65. Baron 00.20

    We are all equal is the most ridiculous part of the last 50 years of left wing nonsense .
    On its own this has done enourmous damage even when you have examples all around to show that it is blindingly obviously not true.

  67. Although I fully support Grammar Schools and went to one myself, my son attends a Catholic Comprehensive School which uses proper streaming by ability and I cannot fault its desire to produce the best in each child, even the least able.

  68. A piece on the morning news. Calls to classify obesity a disability, and obese people to get the protection of discrimination laws with all that entails, lawyers stampeding to the high court to sue on behalf of fat bastards who in a rational society would have been told to lose weight. But, as we all know so well, we do not live in rational society, we live in one where the lunatics have taken over and caused normalcy to be classed as a sexually transmitted disease. Will this madness ever end? If I knew then what I know now I would never have become an engineer, I would have gone to law school and made a fortune for half the effort I put into building Saddam’s nuclear shelters.

  71. I think we should send in our first battalion of health and safety officers to sort this situation in the Middle East.
    Backed up if needed by the women against rape front line troops.
    That is of course after a twitter campaign of don’t do this your nasty. And Not in my name.
    That should make them stop and think.

  72. John,
    Great idea to send the health and safety walahs out to the Middle East, within a week they would have blown their brains out in shock and proved to the World that the Arabs do have some uses.

  73. The world gets stranger and stranger!

    Well, I suppose it’s CMD and the EU, so perhaps not:

    Tory Choice for EU Parliament President is Ex-LibDem Who Called Eurosceptics the ‘Taliban’

    “Sajjad Karim, a Lancashire-born Muslim of Pakistani descent, has previously denigrated eurosceptics by repeatedly calling them “anti-EU Taliban.””

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/06/11/Hubris-Tories-in-European-Parliament-back-MEP-who-insults-eurosceptics

    It does rather show how dedicated CMD is to his cause.

  79. Malfleur @ 00:11

    It fits one of Baron’s paradigms perfectly, the one ‘at every stage of human development there never is anything ideal, no ideal car, pizza, mistress, societal construct …., but there are cars, pizzas, mistresses, societal constructs that are closer to it than others.

    There has never been a question that our political cum economic set-up beats any other one known to mankind, be it one anchored in Marxism, Hinduism, Islam ….. We just have to redust our confidence, self belief, pride in how we’ve enriched humanity, and we”ll be OK.

  80. RobertC @ 22:29

    There should be more compilations of this kind, Robert, people forget, and the political gnomes get away with it.

  81. RobertC @ 22:17

    Unless the Tories get rid of the boy, change course, there is no chance Baron will ever give them his vote.

  82. Reports are coming in that the flood of scores of thousands of children from South America across the Mexican border into the United States, where the Border Patrol on the US side has been made to stand down, is a cover for “mules” and is organised by the drug cartels.

    One remembers that HSBC was recently found guilty of money-laundering for drug cartels though no bank officer was jailed. 2 + 2 = 3

    Meanwhile the Department of Homeland Slavery run by the criminals in the White House, aided and abetted by Congress, has stated that it will act “in the best interests of the children” by reuniting the juvenile illegal immigrants with their parents IN THE USA!

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/06/12/Dept-HS-on-Border-Crisis-We-Will-Act-in-the-Best-Interest-of-the-Child

    What would America’s policies look like if the republic were to be restored and policies adopted at home and abroad in the best interests OF THE UNITED STATES?

  84. Coalition policy, that’s largely ours and the USA’s, has collapsed in Iraq along with the Iraqi army in the face of islamicist militants (funded by whom??).

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/06/12/iraqi-army-collapses-against-al-qaeda-spinoff-in-mosul

    One can imagine already the human cost of this debacle. I can already hear the calls of Cameron, Clegg, Hague, Milliband and George Soros for a generous emergency quota of Iraqi refugees to be allowed into England this summer.

    What possible reason could there be without the proponent losing the moral high ground to nay-say our leaders? We are all multicultural now. N’est-ce pas?
    对 不对? Nicht wahr?

  85. Perhaps the Iraqi refugees/immigrants to England could, as in the USA with the South Americans, be housed in air force bases here?

  86. Malfleur
    June 13th, 2014 – 00:11
    Very good article
    People are starting to feel able to say these things again.
    Thank Christ .

  87. Desecrated! Fury as travellers turn park into a rubbish dump

    via MailOnline for iPhone

    Piles of waste, including a piano, sofas, mattresses, prams, lawn mowers, dirty nappies, toys and vast amounts of building rubble, were left in Gunnersbury Park, Hounslow.

    Read full article

    The original group of people that the law of the land never applied to.
    Now we have multiple groups.

  89. Baron
    June 13th, 2014 – 09:40
    One sometimes wonder if the jihadists need a treatment in psychiatric wards:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgUX9A-gSjg
    Good morning, Baron. Those in the greatest need of psychiatric treatment are those Westerners who wish to offer sanctuary to the barbarians and take sides in their clan wars. The whole damn lot should be smashed to bits, as should have happened in the Gulf War, but the powers that be were too wimpish to finish the job!

  90. Anne,
    Absolutely. The job should have been finished in the first gulf war, it is a tragedy that Maggie no longer had the power and Bush never had the guts to do so. They call it the American century. which has to be one of the great jokes of history. The Americans deliberately destroyed the British Empire, they wanted the trade which went with that institution but were unwilling to accept the accompanying responsibilities and we and so many others are living with the mess that is their creation. Some century.

  91. stephen maybery
    June 13th, 2014 – 11:12
    stephen, agree. but we cannot keep blaming the Americans. We should just go and melt the Chocolate Soldier! :=)

  92. All those British and American soldiers killed and maimed – for worse than nothing. Heads should roll. But will they?

    Has Hague made any statement about this shambles?

    Of course it was all good business for the arms dealers. May be Noa could speak to that.

    Has UKIP taken a position on this bloody farce?

    Who is funding the Islamic State of Iraq? Let’s get this out in the open!

  94. “Angry villagers warn of riots unless police act on Roma: Residents say they will take law into their own hands if authorities do not take action over anti-social behaviour”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2656728/Angry-villagers-warn-riots-unless-police-act-Roma-Residents-say-law-hands-authorities-not-action-anti-social-behaviour.html

    We don’t want this! We want to take this home to Cameron/Clegg.Milliband!and the jobsworths in their parties! They caused this. They want it. There have to be consequences for THEM! Kick them out! Criticize them! Hold them up to public obloquy! Identify their paymasters!We don’t want our country torn about by the manoeuvres of these sons of bitches!

  95. “The development of European civilisation, Guizot concluded, was characterised by an irresistible advance towards the equality of conditions. As Guizot’s narrative closes, however, his attention turned to England. What he had to say here merits quotation at length. “When we glance,” Guizot wrote, “at the state of the free institutions of England at the end of the 16th century, we find first, fundamental rules and principles of liberty, of which neither the country, nor the legislature had ever lost sight; second, precedents, examples of liberty . . . sufficing to legalise and sustain the claims, and to support the defenders of liberty in any struggle against tyranny and despotism; third, special and local institutions, replete with germs of liberty; the jury, the right of assembling, of being armed . . . fourth, and last, the parliament and its power.” Moreover, in this, Guizot wrote, the political condition of England showed itself to be “wholly different from that of the continent”. There, by contrast, the principle of absolute royalty, be it in Spain or France, had aspired to create a universal monarchy. The state had taken a bureaucratic and tyrannical form. And this, Guizot believed, remained the case to his day. In short, England was the aberrant case.”

    http://standpointmag.co.uk/critique-march-14-what-do-we-mean-when-we-speak-of-freedom-jeremy-jennings-christian-morality?page=0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C2

    “…OF BEING ARMED…”.

    We are less than the Swiss today? We have nothing to learn from the Swiss? Switzerland is beset by gun crime? Come on! Bill of Rights! Bill of Rights! Bill of Rights!

  96. Malfleur – 13:34
    “All those British and American soldiers killed and maimed – for worse than nothing. Heads should roll.”
    They are, but not those that deserve it!

    “Has Hague made any statement about this shambles?”
    He is too busy campaigning against using rape as a weapon of war with Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt to worry about people loosing their heads, literally! While it may be a good cause, it doesn’t really get to the bottom of the problem, with so many cultures thinking it is OK and one even condoning it! Shouldn’t that be addressed head on, again, literally?

    “Has UKIP taken a position on this bloody farce?”
    I would have thought, at the moment, the least said the better. At the moment they are negotiating with like minded European parties to form an ‘EU Party’ so they can sit on some of the EP committees (and get some EU cash!) The Tories have been ‘nicking’ some of the members from the grouping that UKIP were in in the last parliament, so Nigel has his work cut out on that at the moment.
    The bloody farce, the situation in Iraq rather than Brussels, is changing very quickly and none of the other national parties can say anything of any substance without ‘borrowing UKIP policies’ from the past. Until countries get back their national sovereignty, there is little they can do. I don’t think an EU army would amount to much, especially after the Ukraine ‘success’!
    UKIP, officially, have no national policies and are working on creating some by the Autumn so, as the public at least know what UKIP stands for, I don’t think a period of relative silence would damage the party. There is a general consensus that there is little that Britain can or would want to do in the immediate future, apart make some meaningless noises to support Obama.

    The current lot, Blair, Brown, CMD, Clegg (by omission), Obama and Baroness Ashton really have done a wonderful job of spending a pile on money to get us up a creek without a paddle!

  97. RobertC

    Ok. But perhaps the least we can is to publish three lists of names on the Wall:

    1. British servicemen killed in thie Iraqi hostilities; and,

    2. British servicemen incapacitated in the Iraqi hostiilties; and.

    3. Unemployed servicemen who participatedin the Iraq hostilities.

  99. Anyone in the market for a load of old fashioned codswallop? Try Mathew Parris’s latest offering in this weeks specie. The comments on this piece are delightful, what in my crude way, I would categorise as a boot in the balls. That is assuming the old quean has any.

  101. Malfleur – 15:01

    Good idea.

    I am not suggesting UKIP say nothing, it is not in my remit (I don’t even HAVE a pay grade!), but I do have an idea of just how much it takes to get the show on the road, especially after winning so many local elections and being so successful in the euro-elections. It is something that the three legacy parties have, even if that is all they have!

  102. stephen maybery – 17:52

    He is no better in The Times when I get my complimentary copy from JL.

  105. Peter from Maidstone
    June 13th, 2014 – 16:29

    Appreciated.

    RobertC
    June 13th, 2014 – 20:00

    I agree; but if UKIP has ambitions in general elections, it will have to develop a coherent foreign policy – very tricky in a time of accelerating flux.

  106. Border Patrol changing diapers, heating baby formula for surge of children
    By Stephen Dinan – The Washington Times

  108. Malfleur – 21:11 ‘Foreign Policy’

    I hope that they think about what Britain needs and come up with strategy rather than tactics: I haven’t seen any logic since 2007!
    The policies for finance, internal and external affairs and defence need to be integrated. We don’t have the resources that we used to when we had an empire, but the MoD appear to have thrown money away during my lifetime. Better to attempt 80%, do it once, and do it 100%.

  110. They want your savings; and they are not too particular about how they get them.

    “Pensioners and others saving for a rainy day have reported trying to access their savings only to discover their money had been seized by the government because it had been dormant for three years or more….State of Georgia to seize bank accounts that are dormant for 12 months…”.

    http://investmentwatchblog.com/wtf-bank-run-in-australia-dormant-account-for-3-years-now-the-governments/

    Aren’t you glad you have a government that you can trust?

  112. A modest proposal to encourage thrift and austerity among Cabinet Ministers, inspired by the entry in Samuel Pepys’ Diary 13th June 1661:

    “I went up and down to Alderman Backwell’s, but his servants not being up, I went home and put on my gray cloth suit and faced white coat, made of one of my wife’s pettycoates, the first time I have had it on…”.

  113. Tommy Robinson – June 12th.

    It seems that if you have been framed by the political class for mortgage fraud and jailed, you may be able to negotiate early release on condition that you undertake to have no contact with the anti-islamicist organization that you led so effectively.

    Well that has its own logic I suppose:

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/06/free-at-last/

  114. Perhaps, just perhaps, Bliar, Bush, Cameron and the inept communist Golliwog have inadvertently done us a favour by destabilising large swathes of the Islamic world then running away.

    It seems tens of thousands are slaughtering each other in the name of their particular version of the rantings of the desert paedophile across Iraq. Allegedly, hundreds more of the brain-washed have left the civilised world to join in. The (so-called) worry is that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and all the other Gulf states will be drawn into the conflict. I suggest that we ensure all aid is sent in the form of arms and ammunition.

    As long as they misbehave in the dusty desert, I see no problem. If Bradford threatens to invade Birmingham, then perhaps the UK might have to bust a few towel-wrapped heads, but other than that, let us all hope for a long and bloody conflict ridding the planet of as many of the sub-human loons as possible.

    And as for the usual cry of ‘what about the innocents?’, there are none. Removal of future jihadists and the breeding stock is no bad thing.

  115. Clear Memories
    June 14th, 2014 – 06:54

    I suspect what you say is being thought by many people who would not dare to say it.

  116. John Birch,
    I dare to say it John, loud and clear. It is about time the West took action against the al Saud, for they are the bacillus breeding this, and not just in the Middle East, their bile spews out of the East London mosque every Friday. If the gormless crew who govern the West can freeze the assets of a few Russian oligarchs, who pose no threat to us then they certainly should be able to seize the loot of the al Saud and grab their London palaces.

  117. Richard Dawkins wastes his time and efforts – Islam is proof evident that there is no God or Intelligent Designer.

    What sentient supreme being would allow this deviance to either commence or continue?

  118. stephen maybery – you miss the point, there is no need for the West to do anything other than confine these deviants within the borders of the lands they currently occupy. (Although a steady supply of arms wouldn’t go amiss)

    That action alone will ensure they destroy themselves. Thereafter, it is only a matter of ensuring the loons within western borders are neutralised. Intelligence and western liberals will achieve that for us.

  120. Malfeur@June 14th, 2014 – 09:01

    WE need to stop buying oil from the mid east. We should get fracking now and reduce our energy dependancy on falkey foreigers, and cut funding to islamists.

  123. Is it just me or has the absurdly inapposite phrase ‘Religion of Peace’ now become such an obvious idiocy that even our supine politicians have given up on it?

  124. Austin Barry
    June 14th, 2014 – 21:52

    I am sure your correct.
    No one spouts such obvious nonsense any more.
    Which is why I do.
    At every opportunity I use the phase in the mocking manner we should,
    As in , i see the religion of peace HA HA FUCKING HA is busy beheading captives again.
    Don’t let them get away with slipping this one under the carpet.
    I already feel my comments are seen as not helpfull.
    The

  125. Ah, the good old days, when gentlemen breakfasted on beer!

    “I to Whitehall, and there with Captain Rolt and Ferrers we went to Lambeth to drink our morning draft, where at the Three Mariners, a place noted for their ale, we went and staid awhile very merry, and so away…” Wednesday 12 June 1661

    http://www.pepysdiary.com/

  126. This guy doesn’t realise that he is an apostate and, because of this, he is in danger of loosing his life:

    “People in Alum Rock [Birmingham, England], including many of The Sunday Telegraph’s sources, told us that they resented hardliners’ attempts to pigeonhole them by their faith. “Islam is part of my identity, but it’s only part,” said one father. “I want schools that don’t try to put my son in a box that says he’s a Muslim first and above everything else.””

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10899804/Trojan-Horse-how-we-revealed-the-truth-behind-the-plot.html

    Until this is better known by more people, and they understand the consequences, progress will not be made.

  127. The second story on the front page of the Weekend Financial Times concerns “Food Babe”. The FT cites her very rapid success in forcing Anheuser Busch and Miller-Coors to post the ingredients of their beer on a website as testimony to the power of “social media”.

    This achievement of the website owner, Vani Hari, followed her success earlier this year with a petition calling on Subway in the USA to remove plastic from its bread.

    http://foodbabe.com/

    Food Babe announced the launch of her beer petition, and its success a couple of days later, on the Alex Jones Show earlier this week which had also been the first to carry news of her petition to Subway. The FT does not mention that. May be they think Jones is a ranter and a conspiracy theorist. His circulation is somewhat more impressive than the FT however.

    Incidentally, the FT also carries a shill by Edward Luce of Hillary Clinton’s latest ghost written book, “Hard Choices”. For those Americans who still require another reason not to support Clinton’s presidential ambitions, the support of the Financial Times – the Eric Cantor of the dinosaur newspapers – provides one.

    With he US Border Patrol complaining that Obama is freely allowing Mexican gang members to enter the United States and banks like HSBC found guilty of money-laundering for drug cartels, the rot at the heart of the western political and state-corporatist class is only italicised by the news that “…Starting this year, the government of Italy will add the mafia’s “contribution” of goods and services to its GDP….” and that “…illicit activities like smuggling, prostitution and narcotics will now factor into the growth calculations of the U.K. as well”.
    http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2014/6/14_This_Is_When_All_Hell_Is_Going_To_Break_Loose_In_Major_Markets.html

    Citizen journalists should study how free access to the Internet can be protected and its power engaged to beat back the waves of corporate-state corruption and authoritarianism that are washing over us.

  128. so prostitution is to be to be calculated as a factor of our economic progress. There will be dancing in Soho. I’ve heard of tooling up for growth. but this is bloody ridiculous, even for that prick Cameron.

  129. stephen maybery@June 15th, 2014 – 14:09

    why should it not be? Its perfectly legal in the UK (Not sure about NI actually)
    and its quits a large scale activity
    a well known adult advertising website has 13953 women offering escort services in the UK who have been logged on the site in the last week.

    just because you find a business distasteful doesn’t mean it has no economic significance. I find Tescos business model distasteful but I am quite sure it should be in GDP.

    anyway, its an EU ruling.

  130. Alexandr.
    I do not find it distasteful, I find it hilarious And as for the EU ruling, then what else could one expect, especially as our rulers specialising in buggering up the economy.

  131. stephen maybery
    June 15th, 2014 – 14:09
    so prostitution is to be to be calculated as a factor of our economic progress. There will be dancing in Soho. I’ve heard of tooling up for growth. but this is bloody ridiculous, even for that prick Cameron.
    Why, Stephen? Cameron, Osborne and the whole bloodycrew are masters of prostitution and buggery!

  132. “ISIS – the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant” What an oxymoron. The ancient Egyptian goddess represented far different values than the scum of today’s barbarians.

  133. Whatever Cameron says about British values, and we as individuals beleive , can you imagine these conversations 18 months ago.
    Whatever happens to UKIP we now live in a before UKIP and post UKIP world, where things can be said that would never have been said and accepted before.
    For that alone we owe Nigel a massive thank you.

  134. If you wish to see a thought provoking film about modern china and the stress behind the headlines this is a film to watch,
    Not easy viewing , but as I and my Chinese wife know very realistic.
    Based on 4 true stories of people pushed beyond the limit it shows the tension of the normal people of china.
    We watched it at Ipswich arts theatre .
    The film is banned in china due to concern about the content.
    Google it to read reviews.

    If you have the stomach for it, “A Touch of Sin” is a stunning travelogue of cruelty and vengeance. Even if you can’t relate to the anthology-like narrative and would have preferred to spend more time with individual characters, the film’s glimpses of China today intrigue. Smaller towns now have a neon sheen. The countryside is strewn with humming construction equipment re-making the landscape. Even the brothel where a displaced factory worker (a poignant Luo Lanshan) finds work has its moments. Catch the spectacular march of sex workers in theatrical costumes being paraded before the cash-rich patrons; don’t blink or you’ll miss a witty cameo with the director as one of them.

    None of this may want to make you go to China. “A Touch of Sin” is hardly an invitation to look-see. It does explain some of the contradictory information we’ve gotten: spectacular wealth and growth, but terrible factory accidents, low wages, and human abuse issues. It’s also a kind of plea to the Chinese government. I’m always suspicious of a movie where you have to have a creator’s quote to figure things out, but Jia, who was on hand for a Q & A at the screening, had an apt one. “The expansion in China has been so fast,” he said, “there’s been no room for the system to catch up with any kind of humanity.”

  135. Anne,
    Regarding Isis you are closer to the truth than you possibly realise. Many of the deities of the Roman pantheon were co-opted into Christianity, chief of these was Isis, the Egyptian goddess was the most popular deity amongst women, she was adopted as the Virgin Mary, and as with Isis, Mary is always portrayed in a blue robe, and venerated down to this very day. We can be certain these Islamic freaks are not aware of this. Talking of freaks, that bloody Blair is banging on about how right he was to to aid and abet Bush against all the advice of the experts.

  136. stephen maybery

    Let’s hope that Blair will now therefore urge the government to release all the documents until now withheld so that the Chilcot Inquiry can find him blameless in its long-awaited report.

  138. stephen maybery
    June 15th, 2014 – 22:26
    Hi, stephen, speaking of deities, surely we must soon see the realisation of Saint Blair, the god who has two mouthpieces and two anuses (ani?) which both perform simultaneously

  139. Anne,
    On the subject of the putrid one and Roman gods, how about Janus, the god with two faces? or, if you prefer, the Egyptian Anubis, the jackal headed god.

  140. stephen maybery
    June 16th, 2014 – 00:48
    stephen,
    Either are apt, but the actual Blair is the one that gives me nightmares! On second thought, Janus is too limited as he only has two faces. Will now try to sleep, goodnight.

  141. David Ossitt
    June 14th – 19.32e
    Yes, David. But the question remains who would try him? Can you trust anybody in the establishment? Can you actually name anyone?

  142. Let’s hold a séance and bring back Henry VIII. That old devil knew exactly how to deal with traitors. He’d probably chop Cherie’ head off while he was at it and do for Harriet Harman for good measure. Oh, those were the days.

  144. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 June 16th, 2014 – 04:52

    “David Ossitt
    June 14th – 19.32e
    Yes, David. But the question remains who would try him? Can you trust anybody in the establishment? Can you actually name anyone?”

    Anne I must be loosing it, what did I post?

  145. We must have all noticed that the malignant maggot Tony (I’m a straight kind of guy) Blair has resurfaced peddling his lies and obfuscations whilst giving us all his warped version of recent history.

    Does this slime bag have no understanding of just how much he is loathed?

  146. Good morn,

    You would have thought that a Prime Minister who has warned the country that would be a grave mistake to ignore the threat to this country posed by Islamist extremists returning to this country, would have had emergency legislation prepared for immediate action placing these traitors in custody upon their return.

    But having a weak man in charge with a joke as Foreign Secretary I suppose we shall have to wait until we have a succession of Lee Rigby slaughters on our streets before they wake up and do something!

    I notice the Muslim Council of Great Britain have said absolutely nothing.

    After Cameron’s about turn over Iran and selling more of the country to China we could open up talks with Russia for a trade agreement and joint military ventures.

    Life is getting rather confusing. Has anyone any news on dear Verity?

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