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Some great posts over the weekend; sorry I missed the craic, was somewhat snookered one way and another. Will catch up later, in the meantime here’s Douglas Murray firing from his Gatestone platform. I know we’ve chewed this bone of contention already, but its good to see the ‘professional journalists’ eventually catching up:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4920/britain-unrequited-love
Got some goodies from the Naughty Niece, too, but I have to fly just now. Med appt.
later.
The Northern League in Italy comes out against the West’s reckless inception of commercial war with Russia, the country which forms the main bulwark against the spread of international islamic terrorism.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/12/we-are-the-forefront-against-the-european-monster/
Not to mention a hot war.
Who is it behind this “call to arms” and is it really necessary? Are tens of thousands of Russian tanks about to swarm across Flanders field heading for the Channel ports?
Could it be our old friend, Eisenhower’s military industrial complex and its hired hacks? :
“Congress Declares War Against Russia … Bipartisan Ridicule Follows
Posted by : George Washington
Post date: 12/07/2014 – 22:56
Congress Desperately Tries to Stir Up War … Even Though Public Doesn’t Want It”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-07/congress-declares-war-against-russia-%E2%80%A6-bipartisan-ridicule-follows
Malfleur, here’s is the answer to your post at 21.41. It appears at the tail end of last week, in case you’ve missed it, here it is again:
An error on Baron’s part, Malfleur, and an apology, the barbarian assumed you’ve talking about an armed uprising.
No point repeating Peter’s posting at 22.32, Colonel’s at 23.43 (Baron has no argument with it) except that the personnel at arms was always assumed to be deployed in the command of those in authority.
This goes back to statutes of Henry II and Edward I when the defence of counties was entrusted to the Sheriff, with enlarged powers, as the Head of the county forces. Each adult man was required to furnish arms according to his estate. In the reign of Mary, the Sheriff was replaced by the Lord Lieutenant of the county.
At the Restoration, this militia was declared (with all other forces by sea and land) to be under the sole charge and control of the crown, and it was then and has been ever since often reorganised, restructured and renamed (eg the Dad’s Army in WW2), but in substance since Mary’s time, it has always been an auxiliary force of the Crown (militia, yeomanry, volunteers of any sort).
Btw, even though the principle that the Crown could not raise and keep a standing army, in time of peace, without the consent of Parliament was established by the Bill of Rights, the existence of a permanent military force has never been recognised by any statute. Since 1969, only annual Acts known as Mutiny Acts (since 1881 as Army Acts) have been passed limiting the number and type of forces the Crown may raise and maintain in that year. The same annual ritual remains in place today.
Apologies for the lecturing, but the idea that people possess arms to form a militia not under the control of the Crown or its agents has always been a non starter here.
Frank P @ 12:16
Baron’s fingers crossed for you, Frank, all of them.
From the message boards:
On the subject of ‘food banks’
serialluncher: I wonder if Diane Abbott and Tom Watson have any spare food.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/12/food-bank-report-is-a-chance-to-end-the-toxic-political-stand-off/
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Deputy Judge President Jeanette Ttaverso has ruled that Dewanis is not guilty of having his wife murdered. This convinces me that all judges, black, white, male or female and all combinations of the above are vile corrupt creatures who should be tried by ordinary people who will not bribe them. This is certainly not just South Africa, and Britain can hang her head in shame at the base swine we call judges.
AWK – Oh, I don’t know. Some of the Irish ones are all right.
Meet Judge Barney. He takes no blarney.
http://www.rollonfriday.com/TheNews/EuropeNews/tabid/58/Id/3616/fromTab/36/currentIndex/6/Default.aspx
Why are the apparatchiks allowing Prince Willy and the Duchess of Cambs to be used to spice up Obama’s lame duck half-term and distract attention from his tyrannical imposition of Marxist policies? Puke making!
Andy Car Park @ 15:06
The more food gets shifted from the likes of Waitrose to the food banks the greater will be the demand for it.
We will never solve the poverty trap running centralised Welfare, the Frank Field chaired report and whatever the Government may do, will only result in more of the taxpayer money getting spent on more bureaucracy, miss most of those who genuinely need help, benefit the cunning ones who spend money on TVs and i-phones.
The only solution is to push the running of welfare down to the level of parishes where those who offer a helping hand know well the circumstances of those who need ahelping hand. It was what we did in the past, it worked reasonably well, didn’t require an army of administrators, cost the ratepayer (then) less than the cost on the taxpayers today.
Frank P @ 16:58
This is what the special relationship’s all about, Frank.
The first executive order issued by the messiah when he became President was on the removal of the bust of Churchill from the Oval Office, and its dispatch back to the UK. Puke making to the power ten?
Andy Car Park (16:34)
Best medicine I’ve had this week. LOL x 10!
The missus is busy checking my antecedents again to see whether there’s anyway he could be related to me. Bloody cheek! Seeing as how she was only born four miles from Derry herself.
Don’t worry, Anne. The tide will turn ere long. Glad to see you’re keeping the game going for the fairer sex. We all miss you’re old comrade at arms from Mexico. I fear the worst; if she is still extant, I’m sure some of the events of the last few months would have tempted her out of purdah.
Hold up, I’m on my tablet at the moment; I’ll inject some more female help by revving up my PC and copying the Naughty Niece’s latest gems. You’ll like these, I’m certain. She been very busy with the poppy appeal. Give me five minutes.
And thanks Baron. Same old, same old. You know the drill. ‘Fraid you’ll have to suffer a few column inches from me, yet. Jiggling the junk is a fine art for yer man up at the meat factory. He appears to be good at it, despite the bad press the poor bastards are bombarded with these days.
Baron.
Looking forward to tomorrow, but I was a bit off the mark in nominating Val’s, I should have suggested Claridges for tea and tits,
Frank P
December 8th, 2014 – 17:53
Hi, Frank,
I miss Verity and just hope she is safe and well, and simply has grown tired of trying to put the world to rights. Maybe the Naughty Niece can step into her shoes?
Malfleur @ 13:04
The Western political elites were in love with the vodka loving Boris even though he was a top apparatchiks in the communist hierarchy, one who gave orders. They cannot stand Vlad, who was a minor clog in the communist nightmare, one who only executed orders.
The Western leaders have no interest in the Slavonic tribes, the ordinary people. If they did, they would accept that the ordinary Ivan of Russia today doesn’t compare that he has with that we have, but that he had when the Red Menace was in charge. He may not be fully happy, the one of the waist striping habit may be a dictator, but compared to the dictators before the nightmare collapsed, he’s like Mother Teresa him.
And this:
From next February, the second in command in NATO will be a Czech general, who joined the Security Services in the then Czechoslovakia two years before the communist regime collapsed in the country. No problem for the West, and Baron agrees. Virtually nobody believed in the creed of communism after the 1968 invasion of the Warsaw Pact countries of the land of the Czechs, it was but inertia of the system that propelled it, one had to take it, have a career, or leave it, and shovel coal in a mine.
The guy would have carried orders, competently, orders issued from above by the communist thugs then. From next year, he will carry out orders, again competently because he seems an able guy, orders issued from above by the progressives of the West. Not much difference for him then.
Funny world, ha?
anne wotana kaye – 16:05
… “swine we call judges”
I don’t suppose that Lord Justice Merriman lived up to his name on the day a defence barrister very nearly killed him!
From The Times obituary [April 29th, 2000] of Irish Barrister Terence Read. (now hidden behind The Times Paywa£l)
… er, um… the obituary is hidden behind the paywall, NOT Terence Read.
e&oe
anne wotana kaye December 8th, 2014 – 16:05
“Deputy Judge President Jeanette Ttaverso has ruled that Dewanis is not guilty of having his wife murdered.”
This makes a mockery of South African justice.
One must hope that his own conscious eventually catches up with him.
David Ossitt
December 8th, 2014 – 18:57
Only the innocent have consciences. Just hope Anni’s family arrange for poetic justice.
The Wall is definitely a bit sticky today Peter….
For the third time, NN (2):
Yiddish Proverbs [You probably know ’em all] so bear with us goys]:
If the rich could hire other people to die for them, the poor could make a
wonderful living.
The wise man, even when he holds his tongue, says more than the fool when he
speaks .
What you don’t see with your eyes, don’t invent with your mouth.
A hero is someone who can keep his mouth shut when he is right.
One old friend is better than two new ones. [indeed!].
One of life’s greatest mysteries is how the boy who wasn’t good enough to
marry your daughter can be the father of the smartest grandchild in the
world.
A wise man hears one word and understands two.
And here’s a couple from Golda herself (1898 to 1978):
“Don’t be so humble – you are not that great.”
– to a visiting diplomat
Pessimism is a luxury that a Jew can never allow himself/herself.
[Nota bene!, Anna].
Sorry … Anne … not Anna, Freudian slip – I was getting into the latino shtick about to vigorously there. 😉
Standpoint Magazine [@StandpointMag 37 minutes ago]
“Muslim subjugation of Christians and other minorities is not some geopolitical accident. We can debate it but please let us not pretend and lie.”
http://standpointmag.co.uk/dispatch-december-14-islam-and-innocence-canada-predicament-michael-coren-terrorism
“Crime is going down – officially. The trouble is that most people don’t believe it: they feel that society is becoming more crime-ridden. So what could explain the discrepancy between the claims made by politicians and the everyday experience of citizens?
In this hard-hitting exposé, Rodger Patrick, former Chief Inspector of West Midlands Police, shows how this has come about. He unpacks the gaming behaviours of police forces under pressure from central government to reduce crime rates and increase detection rates by any means – including some that are unethical and even criminal.
A Tangled Web takes the reader into the arcane world of ‘cuffing’ – making crimes disappear by refusing to believe the victims; ‘nodding’ – inducing suspects to ‘nod’ at locations where they can claim to have committed crimes that will be ‘taken into consideration’, sometimes in return for sex, drugs and alcohol; ‘stitching’, or fabricating evidence, which allows police forces to obtain convictions without ever going to court; and ‘skewing’, or concentrating resources on offences that are used as performance indicators, at the expense of time-consuming investigations into more serious crime.
Rodger Patrick cites the now considerable number of official inquiries into police forces that have uncovered evidence of these practices on such a scale, and over such a wide area, that they cannot be put down to a few ‘rotten apples’. He argues that the problems are organisational, and result from making the career prospects of police officers dependent on performance management techniques originally devised for the commercial sector. Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary has long taken a relaxed view of the problem, putting a generous interpretation on evidence uncovered in its investigations, although in a small number of cases officers have had to resign or even face criminal charges.
“Whilst the police continue to engage in the forms of perverse behaviour outlined in this book, the public will no doubt continue to draw their own conclusions about crime levels. The criminal fraternity are the main beneficiaries of such a situation.”
http://www.civitas.org.uk/crime/ATangledWeb
Baron @ 13:36
I don’t think I wrote that the formation of a militia was a constitutional right of the people – although our experience over the two or more centuries in America suggests that there is a solid foundation for it to be recognized in England as a right a priori to authority. Perhaps Noa will do so in the declaration of his republic.
Instead, I was pointing out, without the following elaboration, that there was a TRADITION in England of people from civil society forming up from time to time into ad hoc but temporary military units – essentially amateur in character, though often trained by regulars – often with arms which they brought along, bearing them as of right as they did,.
I am not denying that this was, in England at least, usually under an “authority”, though Peter points out that it originated with the fyrd (militia) in Anglo-Saxon times and goes back well before Henry II and the beastly Normans.
The regular army is the force of last resort for dealing with domestic disorder and there remains considerable distaste for a standing army in Britain out of traditional, ingrained fear of abuse in that regard by the authorities. If the trend towards a European military, subsuming our national military, were to continue and were to threaten our constitution and if in these circumstances some ideological minority were to be discovered armed and opposed to traditional civil society, where would we be? “The[..] purpose and function [of trained bands] would of course be to prevent a nightmare rather than to cause one.”
That is why the Second Amendment of the United States constitution does not fail to emphasise that the purpose of a militia is for ” … the security of a free State” itself in turn predicated on an uninfringed right to bear arms.
Which is why these rights are under attack today by enemies of liberty. And yes, there are such people in circulation – sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Do we need fewer moles – and if so dare we say it?
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/57949/Wilders-Defiant-Statement-Before-his-Interrogation-by-Dutch-Police-on-New-Prosecution-Charges
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/08/A-Third-of-Brits-Self-Censor-Thanks-to-Britains-Culture-of-Silence
I’m just home from a 12 hour drive to Stoke and back. Sorry if the site has been slow today. I’m looking at the hoster’s website to see if there was an issue.
Nigel is correct. The motorway network anywhere south of Manchester is totally clogged and knackered, isn’t it. Unless one travels at around 3am on a Sunday morning, that is.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-force-refuses-deny-reports-4772600
Of course, no mention what the actual threat is, which usually means it’s the desert perverts. If one one Officer cops a Rigby-style attack, then perhaps the rest might stop and think before they protect Muslims and the UAF from the righteous indignation of the larger population.
If it wasn’t for the Police, Choudrey would be hanging from a lamppost and the obnoxious rantings of the rest of the so-called extremists would be silenced at a stroke. A few mosques burnt to the ground might indicate to them that they and their views are not appreciated.
Throughout Europe, the Muslim issue is not going to be resolved without blood flowing freely in the streets. Violence and intimidation are the only messages the death cult understands. I guess it really is blind faith that keeps the Christians turning the other cheek in the face of 1400 years of history proving appeasement of Muslims doesn’t work.
I haven’t seen the word catherderal used in this way.
But it makes sense, especially when comon purpose is involved.
So I thought I would copy and paste this guys answer.
OK, I’m going to be helpful to someone who doesn’t ‘speak the language’ on forums like this one. ‘The Cathedral’ is neo-reactionary guru Mencius’ Moldbug’s coinage. It is increasingly accepted by non-left wing commentators to describe the loose alliance of the universities and teaching profession, the mainstream media, especially the BBC in Britain, the various NGOs and QUANGOS, pressure groups like WWF, RSPB, Greenpeace, CRE etc etc, and increasingly both the police and the judiciary. Together these comprise a vastly powerful entity, so much so that politicians are regarded by many as ‘living downstream of the cathedral’. This, in effect, means that no politician would dare to promote any policy with which the cathedral disagrees. Hence the recent change in the old Conservative party to a centre-left social democratic party, more or less indistinguishable from Blair’s ‘New Labour’.
On-message progressives are what all left-liberal (cultural Marxist) types are.
I hope this is useful.
“buycott” – a new word?
h/t Pat Condell [@patcondell 7 minutes ago]
“An interesting idea from Australia. Buy and return halal goods until they stop imposing a religious tax on our food.”
http://islam4infidels.com/buy-and-return-halal/
Further to @00:42
The M25 is closed in both directions this morning. Chaos.
Re: “Roger Bird” – it’s all a matter of timing, reportedly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30390554
EC, how many of these publicised ex-Labour women UKIP supporters turn out to be sleepers of some sort? There have been other women who have joined UKIP seemingly only with the purpose of resigning shortly afterwards!
Shock Horror!Muslim woman finds alcohol in steak and ale pie in Asda cafe in Grimsby.No warning was given in the menu.She was much disturbed being a convert to Islam and an ex-alcoholic.
When first finding the story flagged up,the link took me to the South Wales Evening Post.I suspected it was being put around in all the newspapers in the group.The main share holder is the Daily Mail and it has papers in the Midlands,the South West,South Wales,Lincs.,London,and Kent.The company operates under the name `Local World`. You may find one of their titles in your district.In this case the Nottingham Post at least found a local Mullah to justify printing the story.He said it wasn’t a sin to unknowingly consume alcohol.
The main story and photo is in the Grimsby Telegraph,with many comments to it.much the same comments are to be found on the other sites.
http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Muslim-disgusted-taste-ale-steak-pie-Asda-story/story-25412987-detail/story.html
EC
As far as I can see Roger Bird is the victim of a scorned Labour feminist and the media PC lobby.
The papers belonging to the Daily Mail-Local World can be found at
http://www.localworld.co.uk/ourbrands/
I read this in The Telegraph’s iPhone app and thought you’d like to read it:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11281103/Germans-take-to-the-streets-to-protest-against-Islamisation.html
Hit big business where it hurts for kowtowing to Islam-
http://islam4infidels.com/buy-and-return-halal/
Peter from Maidstone – 08:39; huktra – 09:31
Yes, agreed, but given their experience over the last 12-24 months, surely all UKIP members, especially their high command, should’ve been at DEFCON 1 as far as expecting dirty tricks from the political/media establishment.
Driving home from Stoke last night I had plenty of time to listen to Radio 4 but found myself continuously being annoyed.
On a nature programme about East Africa they had to wheel our the obligatory global warming expert from East Anglia. He offered some interesting projections.
i. There is a 30% risk of a month being drying than usual (so surely a 70% chance it will be normal or wetter)
ii. There is a 10% risk of a month being significantly dryer than usual (so surely a 90% chance of it not being significantly dryer)
He presented his projections as indicating general doom, and then the Green MP came on saying we should return to a stone age economy to save the planet. But what annoyed me was that the presenter never challenged his statistics and asked why a minority risk should equate to a definite disaster?
Another annoying incident was a piece about Shrien Dewani, now acquitted of murder. In the first place he was referred to as a British businessman about 10 times, rather deliberately. Of course he was born here, I don’t deny him his passport, but his family are migrants from India and retain entirely an Indian culture. They are Indian businessmen from Britain.
Much more annoying was that the presenter spoke about the trial for about 30 seconds before introducing two homosexual Indians, gay activists, who then had the floor for 10 minutes to speak about homosexuality.
One final annoying incident was the head of the Arts Council or some-such. He has decided that funds will be given only to groups that introduce proper levels of diversity. This means that staff need to be diverse, works performed need to be diverse, and the audience needs to be diverse. There are clearly not enough plays being funded by the tax payer about the experience of migrant, Muslim homosexuals with disabilities.
In other countries it might have been expected that an Arts Council would fund the preservation of the very best of indigenous culture. But under our LibLabCon anti-British and anti-English and anti-Christian state it seems that the subversion of our own culture is to be advanced by all means.
Peter from Maidstone – 10:41
All BBC presenters are, or pretend to be, fully paid up members of The First Church of Settled Science. Their jobs, and thereby mortgages & families, depend upon it.
To quote Verity, “BBC delenda est!”
I don’t know how many fellow CHWs travel by London buses, or whether this posting will elicit much interest. I have found the recent ruling that women with their obnoxious ‘buggies’ do not need to make way and give their places on the bus to the disabled. Fine, so the disabled are to have equal rights, and these dreadful sprogs can take up place that good manners would give to adults. But then how can we expect courtesy from women who are mainly busy filling the city with bastards? If we keep to the rules, women with buggies are supposed to enter buses by the back door, and not squeeze past people sitting in the front of the bus, banging into them and going over their feet. I do not see drivers insisting upon this.
PfM – 10:47
Shrien Dewani is as British as Cliff Richard is Indian.
PfM – 10:41
A lot of people are annoyed:
Matt Ridley: Beware The Corruption Of Science
Environmental researchers are increasingly looking for evidence that fits their ideology, rather than seeking the truth.
http://www.thegwpf.com/23657/
Testing, testing (very!) Sticky Sticky Sticky
RobertC – 11:35
It’s been like that and getting worse for at least 30 years. Junk scientists turning aout junk science.
Yesterday, referencing the single tree, YAD061, that had its attributes attached to the business end of Mann’s infamous Hokey Shtick, Mark Steyn remarks:
Mark’s latest retrospective on Copenhagen/Climategate five years on here:
http://www.steynonline.com/2729/the-emperor-new-carbon-credits
Also: more information on “The Tree Of (hokey shtick) Life” here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/02/a-hands-on-view-of-tree-growth-and-tree-rings-one-explanation-for-briffas-yad061-lone-tree-core/
Science? You couldn’t make it up! But they did…
Frank P
I’m writing this to you as an ex-police officer, of the old school. What do you think of the latest advice police have been given after the latest security risk? The powers that be have warned police officers not to travel in uniform when off duty. I’m only surprised that they haven’t been asked to dress with tea cloths on their heads with women officers wearing veils.
Test
WBGTDWI?
Testing
Stand by Wallsters; Agitprop is on full throttle throughout the MSM, using a bombardment of ‘progressive’ issues. You are right Peter; Sky News has turned the Dewani aquittal into a full-blown ‘gay’ ‘rights’ campaign. It is announced that the item will be repeated at two hour intervals throughout the day. A bit like the call to Muezzin’s prayer, perhaps?
This morning I saw the repeat of Hard Talk on BBC; a ‘black civil rights campaigner’. No sign of any balanced reporting on that ‘ishoo’.
And many many other instances throughout the last 24 hours of an upsurge of progressive propaganda to fill your Christmas shockings.
The release of the senate report on CIA interrogation methods and rendition ‘conveniently’ released as a stocking filler. All designed by Obama’s Alinski disciples!
West Midlands has upped its security warning level due to creditable threats to patrolling policemen. Anything to do with the Civitas report mentioned above by Noa, I wonder? What have you been up to in the Wild West Midlands, Peter? 🙂
The ‘Cathedral’ has indeed pressed the ‘go’ button it seems.
FSMO, Wallsters! At the ready!
TFFT! Made it (at last).
Andy Car Park (14:28)
Weeeelll … I’m feeling well and truly b*******d meself today, but when I posted a ‘Sticky Sticky Sticky’ message earlier, I assure you it had no sexual connotations -either on or off a (cue Flanders & Swann) 97 horsepower, etc. etc.
I merely meant that I was having difficulty penetrating this box (as the Bishop said to the Actress (ack. Les Charteris).
Just for the record I, like Nigel trace my forbears back to the Huguenot persecutions- mine from Holland via the Cape arriving here in the auspicious 1776
*
I do not describe myself as either a Dutch Business man from Britain, nor a South African Businessman from Britain
No, like Shrien Dewani, I am a British businessman full stop
When I travel to southern Russia occasionally folks there whether they originate from any of the multiple ex countries of the USSR or Warsaw Pact or from Russia itself are proud to describe themselves as Russian businessmen
Well well well.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11282327/Roger-Bird-text-messages-that-he-says-prove-relationship-with-Natasha-Bolter.html
Anne (13:38)
I observe with increasing wonderment and dismay the ill-led rabble that now comprises HM Constabulary acroos the whole nation. In fact I am sickened to the stomach, as each day more and more emerges to indicate that Common Purpose have had their way with it. I’ve been preparing an essay for several weeks now which amounts to a lengthy analysis of malaise, but each time I think I’ve got it sufficiently polished to fire it off, something else happens to indicate that even I don’t know the half of it; or the frailty of the flesh strikes again and thwarts my intentions to finish it. My apologies to all. I’m not doing a Frasier-Neather cop out. I promise you, it will happen, if not by me then an appointed surrogate, who will let you know if I’ve gone on ahead to the depths of Hades to harass the bastards with my screams from the hellfire.
As for the West Mid. lot, you remember the horror stories of yesteryear; imagine what it must be now like with the multi-culti mix and the multi-sexual Common Purpose, Bramshill-brainwashed schoolboys now allegedly leading it.
To be brutally honest (and I do try) I am now ashamed to admit that I was once part of any of HM ‘Peacemakers’. The cowardice; the political conspiracies; the venal corruption – all seems to be far worse now than I saw from inside the Met. at the depth of its depravity when the Scandals of Scotland Yard broke in the late 60s and 70s. I promise you that I did my utmost to warn the PTB of what was up and how it could b addressed and in subsequent careers continued so to do. But since then the constant navel-gazing (not to mention the navel-piercing), the newspeak; fiddling of figures to satisfy political pressure on the promise of positions on the red benches for fat arses below pin-heads – have all taken their toll! Egregious in myriad ways! As for Judiciary and all all sail in her …. I leave it to you to address it in your inimitable fashion – which I greatly admire. Just what I expect from a counterpart of the fair sex of my generation.
As I have repeated ad nauseum: the CPS phenomenon, the dregs of academia at the ‘apex’ and reduced recruitment criteria these days are all to blame (where DO you recruit from these days FFS? – you’ve seen the QT audience and observed callow, scrufy tattooed, face-pierced – and presumably prick or labia pierced – morons that proliferate among us in this miscegenation of a nation). We’re already t’ird world – just give it another decade. In that respect I’m glad I’m in The Reaper’s waiting room.
But mostly, the real culpability lies with an electorate that has swallowed the bullshit wholesale of the Long Marchers – and now march like lemmings to the abyss with a stupid sneer on their ugly faces.
I was once proud to serve among the ‘salt of the earth’ even though it was spiced with in small pockets the vices and venality of the community at large. And thoroughly enjoyed the esprit de corps and the dedication and bravery of a band of brothers that held the shit together. No more, I’m afraid.
O tempora O mores!
Or as we used to say, “Honi soit qui mal y pense” [ trans. “Honest work killed many a ponce.”]
And for ‘afters’ – I offer this from my pal in NJ, who is half a generation behind me, but did a lot for transatlantic cohesion in his day (despite the politicians, not with their help). He sent me this today – I’m not at all keen on NYT, but this essay makes some good points – even the NYT seems to be waking up (probably anticipating their own demise if things continue the way they seem to be heading over there):
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/09/opinion/the-cop-mind.html?emc=eta1&_r=0
Frank P
December 9th, 2014 – 18:33
Thank you, Frank, what a wonderful essay. I shall copy and cherish it for as long as I too remain out of Hades! An extract below for some reason, really sums it all up.
“on the promise of positions on the red benches for fat arses below pin-heads – have all taken their toll!”
Thank you Anne – and thanks for geeing me up, I needed to get that off my chest.
As for you EC: leading me to Steyn’s masterpiece about the Danish whores’ freebee offer back in 2009 again, almost did for me. ROTFLMAO!!
Rather than the Mann-made fraud receiving a Nobbled Prize, Steyn should have been awarded a Pulitzer for that piece of utter genius.
The chances of that, of course, are about as slim as someone getting nicked for the greatest consiracy ever perpetrated against the economy – of Western civilisation, for the enrichment of the most obnoxious bunch of bastards ever to crawl from under a stone in the entire evolution of the Universe. And you and Alex urge me to believe in a Just Creator, Peter.
I rest my case, m’Lord.
John Birch (17:58)
Thank God for that, anyway. Refreshing to know that someone aspiring to the political milieu is not as ginger as a nine-bob note (albeit somewhat gullible). The quicker they ram that one past Miliminor’s falsetto vocal chords the better. If they want dirty politics, bring it on! Capital to be made there … Unless, of course ….. Nah! Perish the thought!
Peter, have we been hacked again? Or is the incoming now so intense that the host server can’t handle it? 🙂
It took seven tries to get my list post through the cybershit. Bit like trying to post on trolltopia ere the revolution.
Not be only that, but the vowels get switched en route … ‘last’ not ‘list’. Geroff! Fuckin’ gremlins! If it’s GCHQ (or even CCHQ) … We. Know. Your. Address.
Frank, the site is hosted with many others. We can’t afford a dedicated server. So slow responses can be caused by a massive attack on the hoster, or on another site hosted on the same server, or finally ourselves. I have backed everything up again just in case.
Just pop over to the window, take a long look at the Amey’s army’s new ‘green’ lamp-posts and let your imagination run riot.
Sorry Peter, not you … I was still talking to GCHQ. I’ll take my tin foil hat off when normal service resumes.
O tempora, o mores!…Nos autem fortes viri satis facere rei publicae videmur, si istius furorem ac tela vitemus.
More indicators of what’s to come:
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/russell-simmons-america-has-not-seen-protests-those-are-coming-if-justice-doesnt-start-come
Unless the rabble rousers are brought to book; indicted for inciting riots; we’re going to see a 1967 reprise. Organised – or as they say – Organized Crime was behind that: in cahoots with the race baiters; it always travels east – with a little help from their friends:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7u6n7_newark-riot-of-1967_news
Then this:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7u6n7_newark-riot-of-1967_news
Oh dear, not again…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2866973/Banker-dies-impaled-railings-60ft-fall-central-London-home-door-John-Lennon-s-former-house.html
Does CMD want to get reelected?
David Cameron: I still want Turkey to join EU, despite migrant fears
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11283924/David-Cameron-I-still-want-Turkey-to-join-EU-despite-migrant-fears.html
Malfluffy (22:07)
Foxtrot Oscar. I don’t usually rise to your faux snide bait. There are folks to whom I doff my cap, when it comes to confronting both spears and scoundrels in both the cold war and the culture war, in the days when youth and energy were on my side I did my bit. Get back in position behind your demagogues, and don’t criticize an Eskimo until you’ve walked 200 miles in snow shoes. I thought you had learned your lesson. Beside you, Telemarxist is benign. Sniping douchebag!
You misread my intention yet again. It was not about you, if you can grasp such a possibility.
Robert C @ 22:54
Patere tua consilia non sentis, constrictam iam horum omnium scientia teneri coniurationem tuam non vides?
Note for FrankP: This is not about you either.
And with regard to your 23:16 post, I once was obliged to witness a young lady who thought she could fly from a third floor in Arundel Gardens, impale herself on similar railings be!ow while under the influence of LSD (not the type the banker died for, the type that Lennon and his scouse associates espoused). While shitheads like Lennon were urging callow youth to “turn on; tune in; drop out.” she fell for it – literally!
In my view Lennon deserved his cumuppance, more than her. She was beautiful and impressionable. He was ignorant, stupid and basically evil. He and his oppos deserve eternal damnation for vandalism to music alone. “Imagine” this!! He has a blue plaque. She still has very blue relatives, as many like her.
23:39
Bullshit!
23:48
It has escaped your owlish vigilance that the Montagu Square story was about a banker, neither about John Lennon nor your career.
Also not on your radar is the fact that something like 40 western bankers have died unexpectedly this year. Even Dr. Watson might have been roused to ask himself whether or not there was a pattern of some kind forming here.
23:51
Well of course if you say so, Sir.
Malfleur
You have the last word, Sir, on that score.
But while you’re down there, so to speak; here’s something that inspired me and I know you are a fan.
Truce by the way? It’s been a bastard of a day. Some things we’ll never agree about, as you know already:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4940/geert-wilders-police-interrogation
Btw, I posted a duff link (the third one of the 22:45 post). It was meant to be the You Tube vid of the Grosvenor Square jamboree; you perhaps don’t need a reminder of that folks, but you get the drift.
RobertC (22:45)
Hahahhaha. Well, would you want to get elected, considering what’s acoming on down the line? One suspects that George will greet Ballsie with the words attributed to Liam Byrne, when they finally occupied the hallowed halls. “There still isn’t any money left.”
Let’s hope that UKIP has enough clout to call some shots this time. The though of wee eck outsmarting them all is pthetic. ‘Tis a dilemma. Three or more years of Miliminor before we can get a real conservative government to get us out of the EU scam and start to re-build. Can we really afford that? Lots of dithering twixt friends and neighbours, even among family members. Never seen such a fragmented scene in politics in the 80 years of my life. Even the 70s had clear election choices on GE day.
UKIP has certainly made ground this week imho. Resilience is starting to creep in along with success. The distractions are trivial and can be turned on the perps. But the bastards are deep rooted in the undergrowth. They’ll take some shifting. Best of luck with that.
Well – there ya go!
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/grace_notes/harvard_prof_if_you_take.php
I’m off to say my prayers and turn in. TFIWANF.
As you all know ad hominem attacks are the bankrupt results of absence of arguments to negate the message
I will therefore take Frank’s 23.16 comments as compliment
Meanwhile Turkish Politician from Britain Boris Johnson has finally come out as a clown
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The show to discuss London’s New Year’s Eve fireworks but was soon drawn into a discussion about a recent performance by Jessie J.
After revealing that he’s a fan of the odd Jessie J tune, Mr Johnson was asked to perform his own version, which, after being tweaked by producers, also included some Cher-style synthesiser.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2866941/Is-BORIS-set-Christmas-No-1-Tory-mayor-shows-singing-skills-covers-Jessie-J-hit-Bang-Bang-live-radio.html#ixzz3LTiddgp0
Baron tried to psot this few days back, failed. It’s just for the record:
Malfleur @ 22:33
Nothing to disagree with, Malfleur, and an apology again.
In Baron’s piece at 13.36, there is a glaring error. The first Army Act was enacted in 1689 and not 1969. How this idiotic mistake crept in Baron cannot say, but it suggests the barbarian he should think more, post less, and more carefully. He will stick to it, that’s a firm promise.
This has nothing to do with any of our threads, Baron posts it here because the Spectator has censored it, will ask the one for whom it was intended to look it up here. Is it OK, Peter?
What you reckon, Weaver, was Britain’s alliance with the Stalin’s Russia after Adolf pushed the button on Barbarossa a bad move? Did Winston get it wrong?
Baron has no illusion about Putin, the wholesale corruption in the contemporary Russian society, its other failings. Russia would not be his top choice of a place in which to spend his life, but the barbarian (arrested, jailed by the KGB when Nikita was in charge) has learnt that in real life Orwell’s dictum rules’ ‘We choose between evil and good only in novels’ the great man said, ‘in real life we more often that not have to choose between two evils, and it’s up to us to pick the lesser one’.
If the KGB colonel gets kicked out, greater evil will run Russia, the unwashed will suffer more, possibly a much as when the communist thugs were in power. Trust Baron on this, he follows what’s going on in Russia more than many of the MSM pundits that pontificate on the country, he has a feel for the division of power, the forces that may top the KGB man. It won’t be the Pussy Riot lot, but the ones at the opposite spectrum of politics who will turn Russia into the dark ages again.
It’s, of course, a judgmental issue, the barbarian may be wrong, only time will tell, (and it’s a pity one doesn’t have enough time ((and ability)) to articulate the case better.
Baron, of course post anything here you want.
Frank P @ !:49
Truce. Or as we used to say on the school playground when I was six or seven years old, “Pax!”.
In truth, I picked up on your ‘O tempora! O mores!” because I had been interested that Ted Cruz had attacked Obama a couple of weeks ago on the floor of the Senate by quoting that speech in English translation with the president’s name substituted for Catiline. I thought I would read Cicero’ speech again which I found in Latin and English. I believe that in England and much more so in the United States there is indeed an “enemy within the gates” and so the old question asks itself again, ‘what is to be done?’ and, by extension, ‘are we doing enough?’.
Cicero’s words which I quoted were I thought something for all of us to mull over and the best translation I have found for that extract is this:
“Shame on the age and on its principles! … And we, gallant men that we are, think that we are doing our duty to the republic if we keep out of the way of his frenzied attacks.”
I don’t think that you and I are that far apart on most questions, though I would agree that I am more decadent and your style is more robust. But I don’t, knowingly, follow demagogues and would not have difficulty, I believe, in demonstrating that Alex Jones an Michael Savage are none such.
I wish you a better Wednesday than your Tuesday
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/10/The-PC-Police-State-Is-Finally-Terrorising-Even-the-Police
John Birch (11:54)
Thanks for that link. A brilliant piece. One hopes he’s drafting the UKIP manifesto.
Interesting piece in the Telegraph, I now realise how wrong my opinions have been…
“The NHS would be in “dire” straits without immigrants and Britain has “masses of room” for more people, Britain’s official economic forecaster has warned. Stephen Nickell, one of the leaders of the Office for Budget Responsibility, said that the urban area of Surrey occupies less space than its golf courses as he rejected claims there was not enough room for migrants”.
Peter (13:19)
Mind-blowing, isn’t it? I suppose they operate on the assumption that if they repeat the canard often enough, not only will hoi polloi believe it, but that they will begin to believe it themselves.
I just watched a recording of a Daily Politics from a couple of days ago,, wherein both the matter of Nigel Farage stating that he believes traffic problems were worsened by untrammeled immigration – and also the allegation by a female Indian UKIP candidate complaining of sexual harassment by a UKIP official, were discussed.
The bias of Norman Smith, their beady-eyed leftie ‘reporter’ who ‘investigated’ was breathtaking, particularly in view of the facts which have since emerged., which clearly indicate that Farage was not only correct in the context of the conversation, which was partially a witty riposte to a remark about his tardy arrival, but that the second ‘issue’ was a complete stitch up by a Labour Party plant. Brillo was not involved, his lugubrious, horsed-faced female oppo was running the show. He should get a grip of her knickers. He would have dug deeper, I’m sure, before letting it run. For all his faults, he is a good interrogator.
I wonder how many more bona fide journalists, like Gerald Warner, are yearning to get from under the yolk of the progressive leftist bias of the Beeb and the other MSM string-pullers, and report and comment on the news fairly? There is a glimmer of hope from the defection of Warner, Delingpole (and others, like even Rod Riddle) who have begun to kick against the pricks.
Re. John Birch at 11.54
The Breitbart article,in the Comments,contains a link to a Enoch Powell video.This is an interview with David Frost from 1969.It goes on for an hour.It can be found at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPze0dRgW8#t=65
Just imagine being married to Malala and having to listen to that voice every time you came home .
Politicaly correct, sorry.
Douglas Carswell MP (UKIP) has promoted a Parliamentary Debate in Westminster Hall this afternoon on Energy Policy & Living Standards (at 4.30pm).It can be seen at
http://www.bbc.uk/democracylive 21006888
Correction:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/21006888
“When constabulary duty’s to be done, to be done,
A policeman’s lot is not a happy one.
When the enterprising burglars not a’burgling
When the cut throat isn’t occupied in crime
He loves to hear the little brook a’gurgling
And listen to the merry village chime”
On the beheading of the constabulary, and other matters
“…the unpalatable reality – to doctrinaire liberals – is that the enforcers of the politically correct, multicultural fascist state that shamelessly usurps the title “parliamentary democracy” are in turn falling victims to the forces they have nurtured. The police who directed the heaviest sanctions of the law against anyone who dared to criticise the “diversity” the political elites imposed on this country are now as beleaguered as the rest of us.
This situation, which amounts to an existential crisis for Britain, did not simply happen. It was not Act of God, nor an unforeseen misfortune that came as a bolt from the blue. It was engineered over half a century and foreseen from the beginning. By a supreme irony, it was most notably foreseen and denounced as long as 46 years ago in that same city of Birmingham whose police force is now in terror-inspired lockdown.”
It would be the most excellent news if we were currently witnessing the implosion of cultural hegenomy, as Gerald Warner’s superb little essay alludes. However it will take more than the beheading of a Constable or two to put a stake through Gramsci’s malign doctrine of cultural hegenomy confound the tele-machinations of the followers of cultural annihilation, and redress the consequences of the mass invasion enabled by his myriad followers amongst our political class.
It will be a little time yet, one suspects, before the constables and jihadists of Birmingham still down together by the little gurgling brook to listen to the Imam’s merry chime.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/10/The-PC-Police-State-Is-Finally-Terrorising-Even-the-Police
A very interesting article by our co-rider, Alex Boot, on libertarianism; so called ‘gay marriage’ and the consequences of amorality. I don’t feel intellectually qualified to argue with his thesis, but it strikes me as being sound sense so I wouldn’t even try, anyhow.
But the paradox obtained thereoin should exercise the minds of the libertarians among the Wallsters:
http://alexanderboot.com/content/libertarianism-opposite-liberty
Noa (17:10)
See John Birch (11:54) and reactions various et seq.
The link is well worthy of a repeat though, and your comment expands it beautifully. Don’t miss RadfordNG’s extra link at 15:58 which reminds us of an oft quoted and revered son of Birmingham who never fully lost his city dialect. Gerald Warner is becoming something of a treasure, isn’t he?
Mixed messages can be inferred here! Apparently, she claimed to have attended Wadham College, Oxford, but the university thinks otherwise:
Natasha Bolter: Oxford University deny sex scandal Ukip candidate ever attended
“Natasha Bolter claimed she was a student at Wadham College and graduated with an upper second class degree is philosophy, politics and economics.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11285916/Natasha-Bolter-Oxford-University-deny-sex-scandal-Ukip-candidate-ever-attended.html
Joe Biden v Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
From the Gorbli’me to the sublime! She walked out, it is pleasing to note:
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/biden-lectured-ayaan-hirsi-ali-islam
More evidence that nothing is planned by our Elite, apart from our destruction:
Mass polygamy in UK Muslim community – claim
Peer warns widespread polygamy being ‘condoned’ as report claims many Muslim women trapped in legal limbo
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11284421/Mass-polygamy-in-UK-Muslim-community-claim.html
It is only a small sample, and not necessarily typical of the whole group, but surely it is enough to warrant further investigation and also question those involved in this area ‘for decades’ why it hasn’t been addressed, even though we know the answer.
Yes, you are right. The Barclay Bugle is trying to play this one both ways, by keeping the Ukiphobia intact, despite the dirty tricks by the Labour party. Capital for the coalition I suppose. Cunning bastards! It will be a feisty fight right up the GE, though the silly season will cool it down a bit, stand by for blasting after the New Year. UKIP should clear it up forthwith and discredit the ‘complaint’, rather than keeping him in suspense. Isn’t it a crime to offer duff credentials on a CV? Trying to gain an advantage by false pretenses, or some such?
It’s still like walking through treacle uphill when trying to get the ‘submit’ button to accept comments, Peter. At least ten times a shot and then some on occasions.
You have gremlins Peter, the last post was mine and I am not bearded. WTF??
so the press recognition panel has been set up with staff, a webby – http://pressrecognitionpanel.org.uk/word/ – etc and no-one has joined.
how much of our money are they pissing against the wall with that charade?
Robert.
I was going to post but you beat me to it.
Natashas lies get worse and worse.
Frank P – 17:22
I shall don my libertarian hat, and comment!
AB: “For libertarians … abhor the restraining power of traditional institutions, such, for example, as the Church with its moral absolutism.”
I dislike moral absolutism when that is all there is. For example: Before crossing the road, Look Right, then Left, then Right again. Instilling this into children is a good idea but, what about when they are in France, or in a one way street in England? Intelligence is required, and moral absolutism needs to let it in!
The Authority needs to have intelligence, permission to use it, and the knowledge and confidence that improved understanding is the goal. The other party needs to be receptive and to understand that failure to understand can be detrimental to themselves. Not instructing a road user in the best way of being aware of other road users is the absolute, not the sound bite, not the moralising, not the power the Authority uses. It is imparting understanding. The problem that we have is that so many use recipes, without any understanding.
If, while I was teaching young children about the sound bite I have chosen, someone interrupted me, and trashed my efforts by trying to explain the more complicated bigger picture, I would probably classed as an absolutist. But then, being in the middle of teaching is an absolutist position. The whole point of being a teacher is that, being in an absolutist position, it allows being challenged to be safe, for all concerned.
What about driving on the Left hand side of the road? Does the Libertarian choose the Left or the Right on a whim? At least he has a better chance of survival than two approaching Middle-of-the-roaders!
If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?
The answers is four: it doesn’t matter what you call a tail, a dog has only four legs.
It is all about the meaning of words, which is how subversive political movements take control: changing the meaning of words.
Much of the Church of England (with honourable exceptions) does not have the words ‘moral absolutism’ in its vocabulary.
Mr Boot is not an Anglican. Nor am I btw.
PfM – 19:00
I wasn’t sure, but there still may be honourable exceptions! 🙂
Yes, there are lots of honourable exceptions. I don’t know how they hang on in there.
RobertC/PfM.
If I may intervene from a pragmatic viewpoint, does not moral absolutism merely mean dogma: creed – a set of rules purported to emanate from the scriptures, which in turn were the inspired and recorded utterences of those who were allegedly entrusted with messages from God?
I can see that these are useful tools for keeping a form of civilization intact (in some cases for 2,000 years or longer – not necessarily peaceful years), through teaching, obeisance and faith, when it works pro bono publico. But if it becomes oppressive as a means of imposing ‘discipline’ then moral relativity will surely rear its ‘ugly head’. When offshoot cults, such as – well let’s say Islam – ensue, then we get the last millennium and a half of bullshit and the upshot that now prevails.
My puny intellect won’t wrap its head around the implications of everlasting life as a reward – and Hades via the Styx as a punishment, with ‘just God’ as arbitrator and Old Nick as the tempter and tester of conscience.
On the other hand libertarianism doesn’t solve any problems either, human nature being the frail phenomenon that it is. As for ‘conservatism’,
‘leftism’ and all the other gradations of political secular shades – I suspect that none of us adhere ‘religiously’, so to speak, in those leanings, trimming our sails according to needs of the moment.
We need government to hold the shit together. Whether we also need the fear of God still remains arguable. Particularly when viewed from a notion of determinism, which I lean towards: cause and effect, where the ultimate cause, the kick-off, is beyond me and I fear beyond all but those with divine perception. Perhaps Alex And our host Peter are so privileged? But sadly, they still have to convince me, as I still wouldn’t join any club that would have me as a member, lest I have to break its rules in order to complete my stint on terra firma.
I think libertarians want it both ways. Anarchy can ensue and we all know where that leads. But I’m just a bosky – a hairy-arsed ex-bogeyman and uneducated dolt, so what do I know – ee-arr-ee-arr …
Frank P -17.48
Thank you for that Frank. I trust you’re well. I tend to skim read posts whilst having a working lunch-hence missing Radford NG’s earlier posting of the link, also the Wallsters’ different ‘takes’ thereon.-And hence also, the poorish punctuation. As to Mr Warner, yes, he writes well, interesting to see that the quality of rightist journalism is rising, may it become a torrent!
The creature Blair is now summoned to give evidence to a select committee after evading them for 6 months. Far too slowly, the net begins to tighten.
As with the Rotherham scum, make sure he is formally cautioned before he even opens his lying mouth.
Frank P – 21:22
islam has the problem of having dubious statements as the truth, and being arrogant with it.
I thought that moral absolutism had a problem when perfectly useful statements are used as a weapon. Thou mustn’t steal should encourage neighbours to give work to the unemployed, assuming they do work! It used to happen, but today there are so many rules and regulations, it is impossible to do.
Before the 1960’s, out of work people would get ‘unemployment benefit’, after they had swept the streets. Not so long ago it would the ‘Street Sweeping Union’ objecting to this, and now it is the outsourced company.
Our village had some spare land and wondered if it could used for low cost housing, until it was pointed out that it would stand little chance of being used by locals: it would be commandeered by the nearby large conurbation to house the ‘recently the arrived’. It is invisible, but Socialism restricts people’s generous behaviour.
We have atomised down to the individual, and so only the fully functioning can survive in the current system. The State has enveloped us, and isolated us. If we don’t have a family around us, it is very difficult, yet the State wants to take over this role. They know best: they have the experts!
This is what Libertarians dislike. We want to minimise State interference, not throw away all the rules. We want to be in charge of them and to be able to modify them when we want. This cannot be done when we have over 25 countries, each with at least one culture, and no power to change the underlying political philosophy that is destroying every culture within it, not just our own. And culture is what people do, freely, without authority.
The real dilemma is what to do with the intolerant. Are the Police are there to put away the intolerant or ensure that the intolerant are not attacked by those who find the intolerant are intolerant?
Offering everlasting life as a reward for reasonable behaviour used to work! It is still a powerful metaphor. Though it never worked for me, I can see why it was used. What I cannot see is why some think that, because it isn’t part of popular culture, it gives them licence to be unreasonable and dismiss History.
I have recently read an article (but cannot find it now) that quoted work that said that the most successful strategy at work was to start off being generous, and continue being generous, but withdraw it from people who are found to be ‘uncooperative’. And then, on occasion, for no reason at all, be extra generous to an ‘uncooperative’ person. I think they called it the Jesus strategy. You could have read it in the New Testament, but it’s not popular culture, but a research paper is!
RobertC (00:02)
Much food for thought there. But the question of belief and faith in a Benign Creator Whose omnipotence is unquestionable; the Son of Whom came to earth and preached a set of tenets that are immensely impressive and what we call humane, but when practised can lead to submission to utter barbarity, is still problematical. ‘Loving thy enemy’ is too tough for me, when the enemy is far from lovable, particularly in the case of our current enemy – the cult of Islam. Some of your assertions above appear to coincide with that general view.
And both Alex and Peter have displayed no metaphorical turned cheeks to either the Mullahs or even Vlad the Terrible, another potential enemy. Can’t say I blame ’em, but it don’t jig with the teachings of Christ. That’s the confusing bit. Personally, as I said above, the bigger picture, the one that can rationalize both necessarily ruthless self defense and Christian principles, is beyond my gift. So I’m probably confined to the somewhat unsatisfactory experience of life on earth; that in itself is sufficiently complicated, without the implications of the philosophical questions of who of us earthlings deserves to pass beyond the perceived Pearly Gates and those who don’t. Nothing I have experienced so far makes me believe in real choice. What we are and what we do was written in the stars when the big, big fuckin’ BANG, went orft, some 13 billion yonks back into the mists of time.
As a species, it seems doubtful there is not enough time left to solve the Big Conundrum, IMHO.The rest of it is just a polemical exercise – interesting, entertaining, but utterly futile. Or as the Bard put it, the rest is silence. In the meantime small but firm government is essential and the law that was in the book in the early 1950s, when I first took up enforcement as a full time occupation, was sufficient to keep the rogues more or less curtailed from their worst excesses. More law has meant less success in that regard. As for the disgusting moral and sexual laxity that has developed in the last half century, which some libertarians would defend as personal choice of lifestyles: crap. No man is an island and social interaction has consequences for society. So we must legislate to prevent wider harm. That opinion is based on a plethora of case histories that I could elicit, but won’t. It would take me more than my allotted time on either this blog, or indeed the mortal coil.
Sorry – in the last para first line I should have written … “it is doubtful that there is enough time” …
Frank, just a brief note to your thoughtful posts. In my own understanding, as an individual I have the ability to respond to evil done personally to me in a variety of ways. If someone steals from me, and they are caught, I can ask that they not be charged. If someone cuts me up on the motorway I can respond by blessing them. If a member of my family is killed, I can even seek to forgive the killer.
But… Christianity is not pacifistic in the modern sense. The law has a proper place, and also justice. There is no contradiction between welcoming any Muslim who comes through the door of my church (and most of those who have done so have caused us harm), while also having a view about the larger risks and threats of Islam.
There is no contradiction, as far as I discuss it with other serious Christians, between accepting some hurt myself, while also believing that women, children, the wider population, should also be protected from having to face such a choice, especially if the threat offered is violent and deadly. Jesus also said that we are to render to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and this has been understood to certainly mean that the laws and justice are not to be abrogated.
I was at a military show in Kent a while back, and in the mock battle (which the organisers had decided to let the Germans win for the sake of fairness!) as the German troops crested the hill, I knew I had no theological issue at all with resisting them with lethal force in defence of the wider British population.
I don’t see these views as contradictory. It is possible to forgive those who wish us harm and have done us harm, in a personal sense, while also resisting evil with force when it encroaches on others. And forgiveness does not eliminate justice. I might forgive a mugger and also testify against him so that he faces the consequences of his actions and is prevented from harming others.
I’m troubled that Max Boot is still troubled about WW2 bombing.
http://dc-web2.commentarymagazine.com/2014/12/10/the-torture-report-and-american-values/
But his Dad’s argument is more nuanced.
http://alexanderboot.com/content/it%E2%80%99s-wrong-say-torture-wrong
Dad worries about torture becoming ‘compulsory if legalised’, but it was more or less obligatory if you were unfortunate enough to be detained by the Okhrana/OGPU/NKVD/GESTAPO/KGB/STASI etc. etc. Also, it’s been a national pastime for centuries in the Middle East, and theocracies luxuriating under Islamic Sharia Law. Also, more recently, in the various Right/Left wing dictatorships of South/Central America.
Speaking of “Render unto Caesar that which…” etc. did not the CIA go to extraordinary lengths to ensure that their guests feel at home and interrogated by the locals? Some of their guests must have clocked up a fortune in air miles.
hirsutism P, December 10th, 2014 – 18:35
Are you able to offer an opinion as to whether the incredible growth displayed by Glenda Jackson in Ken Russell’s “The Music Lovers” was in fact all her own, or if it was a wig.
Frank P – 01:57
Part of the skill in understanding the world around us is to reject the misinterpretations of the dim, especially the sound bites they parrot!
Jesus told parables to encourage people to think and not just obey rules. He wanted us to use our intelligence, and use it for the good of the community! Rules are for the dim to obey and the intelligent to guide, if only because the intelligent know that they need to be willing, and able, to pick up any cost of failure.
Pacifism isn’t particularly intelligent behaviour. It doesn’t benefit the community, or the individual. And survival is a fundamental wish and, once that has been more or less granted, prosperity is usually the next thing on the list, and this offers better food, homes, environment, relationships.
The Jesus Strategy (my post at 00:02) is better than being nice to everyone, all the time. It improves the community, the baddies do not get a continual free ride and it stops the individual from being taken advantage of, and possibly bitter, and all without the need of an Authority.
Jesus wanted us to interact as friends, acquaintances, not as small cogs in a large machine, the obvious one at the time being the Roman Army. So, as you say, “More law has meant less success in that regard” because it becomes detached from the people, and a tick box culture develops within an elite that ceases to apply judgement.
Forcing ‘Thou shalt not kill’, which is intelligent, to ‘Thou shalt never kill, even if you are to be killed is not intelligent. There is no rational solution if you do not value your own life.
I found this quote one that I would have liked to have found as a child:
“If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, what am I? If not now, when?”
http://throwinginthetowel.wordpress.com/2012/03/31/if-i-am-not-for-myself-who-will-be-for-me/
Much good copy since my last post, from the heavy mob of the Wall renegades, to provoke further debate. I’ll let it sink into the turgid, muddy waters of my cerebral sump before responding. Meanwhile back on terra firma, David Horowitz waxes profound in today’s communique from Truth Revolt:
HOROWITZ: The Left’s War Against Justice And Peace: What Conservatives Still Must Understand About Progressives
“When rioters and “protesters” defend criminals and attack the police it is not a protest. It is an attack. When radicals and rioters defend the guilty and attempt to prosecute the innocent, it is not a protest. It is an attack. When they make race an issue when it is clearly not an issue, it is an attack. When whites are regarded as guilty before the fact and blacks guiltless even after the facts show they are guilty, it is not a protest; it is an attack. It is a calculated attack and the target is America, is us.
“No Justice, No Peace!” is the cry of modern lynch mobs. It means “Our Justice, Or Else” – or else we will burn your city down. Or else we will burn your system down. This is the agenda of the left in the streets and of their supporters in the White House and the Democratic Party: “We are going to fundamentally transform the United States of America: your system of justice, your system of governance and your system of laws. If we can’t do that, we are going to burn it down.
Conservatives need to stop dropping their jaws when progressives say “My mind is made up don’t confuse me with the facts” – and mean it. Conservatives need to recognize that the only facts that matter to progressives are the ones that justify their attacks. The mobs who have occupied our streets are not protesting injustice. They are a lynch mob demanding their due. They want officers of the law handcuffed and hung, and criminals (aka “political prisoners”) set free. They want honest juries disbanded, and racist judgments the rule.
Understand that our president and his chief civil rights officer, who are encouraging the “protests,” are racists, as is the Democratic Party which exerts monopoly control over every major inner city in America. Why else would Obama and Holder look to Al Sharpton, who is certainly the nation’s most prominent racist, as their chief adviser on race relations?
Al Sharpton is author of the fundamental transformation of the civil rights movement into a racial lynch mob, which took place decades ago. It probably began with the teenager Tawana Brawley, who accused white cops of raping her because she was afraid of being beaten by her mother when she failed to come home. Sharpton led the charge, whose self-appointed posses ruined these officers careers and lives. The progressive phrase of the day was: “Even if Tawana Brawley was lying, she was telling the truth.” (Because white men regularly raped black women – a bigger lie than Brawley’s own tall tale.)
Sharpton has made his career as a slanderer of whites in too many cases to list. Think only of the innocent Duke LaCrosse players whose careers and reputations he and his minions destroyed for a year while defending their criminal accuser who was black. Think of Paula Deen, who voted for Obama voter and gave millions of her self-made fortune to poor black children, but was falsely and successfully framed as a racist by Sharpton and Co., until her multi-million dollar empire lay in ruins. Nor are apologies ever necessary for black lynchers like Sharpton. There are probably more cases like this of whites who have been destroyed by black racists than there are of blacks being shot for being black by law enforcement offers. And there are surely a lot more cases of blacks being shot for being black by other blacks.
The trigger of the current progressive assault, which has inspired mobs in over 100 American cities, is the Eric Garner case in New York. Many conservatives eager to be reasonable have suggested that the racial arsonists may have a point. Actually they don’t. Most conservatives realize that the “Hands Up Don’t Shoot” slogan, which pretends that the Ferguson criminal, Michael Brown, was innocent and the white police officer Darren Wilson guilty is false. But the Eric Garner slogan “I Can’t Breathe” which suggests Garner was choked to death because he was black is equally a lie. Garner wasn’t choked to death, and he didn’t die because of the color of his skin.
The police sergeant on the scene directing the arrest was an African-American woman. Garner was not choked or strangled to death. He died in the ambulance from a heart attack, a consequence of his morbid obesity, asthma, heart disease, diabetes and resisting arrest.
The demonstrations are Orwellian, fueled by made up facts, and deliberate disregard of the facts. But they have already inspired a racist Attorney General to send the Feds in to punish law enforcement and handcuff the police. Never let a travesty go to waste. The federal reforms proposed by Holder, if implemented, will cause a lot more African-Americans to die in the high-crime areas of the city as similar measures have in the past. And this will continue until conservatives begin calling things by their right names; that would mean fighting fire with fire.”
[end of quote].
Horowitz, who purports to be an apostate from the Left, sure knows how to cut to the chase. I’m still puzzled as to why he and the Glaznov gang took against Diana West’s, if they truly are ‘apostates’. Like Hitchens minor, they may have rejected the folly of their youth at the upper end of their cerebral spectrum, but the visceral sympathies seem to ooze up when the apparatchiks of the USSR take against the Great Satan, or someone delineates the part that the leftist Jewish thinkers did between the two world wars and WWII itself. I know about the invidious nature of authors in general and political writers in particular; not to mention the fierce cannibalism of political hacks, but I found Diana’s book a brilliant, assiduously sourced examination of the influence of the Left in the West in their dealings with both Hitler and Stalin and he analysis right on the button. The vicious attack on her, post publication of her book ” American Betrayal: The Secret Assault on Our Nation’s Character (St. Martin’s Pres.12/10/2014 .” left me and many others utterly gob-smacked. I am grateful to Alex Boot who, when I drew his attention to the furore that ensued, wrote a excellent review of the book.
[Sadly my search this morning for the article on his web site drew a blank; it was sometime after December 2013 when I asked him to review the book. I’ll consult and return to the subject later].
But the mystery remains unsolved – why attack the messenger when so much of it was manifestly true and continues to be prescient. Of course none of that necessarily detracts from the truth of the words of Horowitz above in the quoted Truth Revolt piece. But I would say that, wouldn’t I? Being ex-Fuzz ‘n all that!
EC (12:13)
“hirsutism P, December 10th, 2014 – 18:35
Are you able to offer an opinion as to whether the incredible growth displayed by Glenda Jackson in Ken Russell’s “The Music Lovers” was in fact all her own, or if it was a wig.”
heh, heh, heh.
I’ve no doubt she is probably proud of her snatch and flashed the gash plus foliage with some pride. Can’t remember whether the under-arm area was shaved or not; sussed her out from day one; and the reported sight of her in congress would probably have put me off watching the fillum. Particularly as that old luvvie Ken Russell directed it.
What exercises my curiosity even more than the question you raise, is how in f***’s
name my blog moniker got jumbled into ‘hirsutism P’ during my efforts to penetrate the sticky wicket of our platform that day. Peter deigned not to answer my query in the subsequent post. As you can see, I raised the possibility of ‘gremlins’, but paranoia urges me to wonder whether in fact GCHQ is not only keeping an eye on us, but that one of the hackers there has a weird sense of humour. 🙂
Btw Peter- you seemed to have loosened up the flow: what laxative was it that did the trick?
Bugger! I spoke too soon. That last post took five pokes to fire off. Sticky, sticky, sticky!
ditto
Frank P – 15:39
Re: Truth Revolt,
Here’s Andrew Klavan giving the full low down on “community leader” the “Reverend” Al Sharpton:
“Who is Al Sharpton, and why?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSnveeeE7A8
By way of revenge for the disappointing inaccessibility of this message-board yesterday, here is a pungent article about DOG FARTS.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/dog-spies/2013/12/04/dog-farts-part-1-what-are-dog-farts-made-of/
EC (17:20)
Great skit – thanks. Trouble is the the subject of the piece is not unique; we have had – and still have – our own versions of the phenomenon, equally venal and toxic. And we have political apologists (like O’Bullshit) for the bastards and myriad useful eejits to extol their message. Horowitz’s last line in his rallying call today is on the button. I just wish I could be a part of the physical that must surely come. History insists that it will.
Must say, I completely walked past this one, probably due to the demise of shirtlifter extraordinaire, Jeremy J Thorpe.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11256521/Frankie-Fraser-obituary.html
It’s like September 1997 all over again, that trollop Princess Di overshadowing Mother Theresa, overshadowing Sir George Solti, overshadowing Jeffrey Bernard.
IMO, the coverage should have been the other way around. Candle in the wind? Candle without a wick, more like.
Andy Car Park (18:09)
Bwaaaaahahahaha! Definitely wins the week’s WTF!!?? Award.
Mrs Frank P ( or as Jonah Goldberg would say – ‘the Couch’) remarks, “Well! He sure got through with THAT ONE. Tell him to behave himself, or I’ll drive to that handy car park and let his tyres down. That’ll sort him!”
She refuses to let me read out part two of the piece, BTW. The first part was trial enough. :-). Eeewww.
Andy Car Park (18:24)
Ahhhh! Jeff Bernard! Makes me wanna get into my loft again and disinter the old Speccies (from when it was a proper literary organ – before it was taken over by the limp organs that have now usurped it) for a re-read of some of the crafted copy of yesteryear. Makes yer weep, dunnit? Trouble is, if I got in my loft now, they’d have to fetch the fire brigade to get me down.
[“Who says I’d bother!” – The Couch. ™ JG.].
A scale down model of the US government, totally useless, but makes alot of noise:
https://www.youtube.com/v/XTAULdznHug%26autoplay=1%26autohide=1%26showinfo=0
This villain Fraser doesn’t score highly on Baron’s scales, ACP, he disliked animals, dogs in particular, tortured them when a human victim wasn’t at hand, and avoided serving in WW2.
To constructively enlargeon your thoughtful, impressively well informed, in parts mildly- deeply (you decide) depressing pontification of the deeper meaning of life of the one species capable of self destruction, here’s something that should encourage you to ponder some more about what we are about.
On the way home from meeting stephen, Baron picked a copy of a magazine. It was lying on the seat in fron of him, abandoned by one of our hoi polloi who purchased it at a cost of £2.50 (in Greece EU 4.00). Entitled ‘CLOSER – the place where celebs meet real life’, it had a front page covered with busty, muscular, fat to slim, heavily made up women accompanied by headlines one could scarcely resist: Bitter bombshell – Jordan angers Michelle as she hints at secret past with Mark – Michelle grills fiancee as she demands answers – Charlotte hits back over lipo claims – Brad & Ange: the truth behind their explosive row – Strangers love my muscles, beg me to marry them – J-LO’s bum deal ….
Are we missing something, boys?
Must’ve made Roy Castle’s eyes water a bit:
[from an old copy of Viz – which was lying around at the garage where I used to have my car serviced]
Peter, it really is near impossible for Baron to keep on annoying anyone logged in. The postings refuse to flow in, when they do it takes eternity. Have again few harsh words with the lot that hosts your blog, please.
EC @ 20:14
This beats hands down Baron’s contraption posting, EC . Should not no10 adopt the canine as a permanent pet?
Btw, what is 503 service unavailable? Anyone knows?
Is he right, Frank?
https://www.youtube.com/v/RUUZ2fKVqcs?version=3&f=videos&app=youtube_gdata
@20:14
… I hasten to add that the reading matter at the establishment where Mrs EC’s car gets serviced is slightly more upmarket. Cotswold Life, Shooting Times, Fieldsports Magazine etc., and no “garage industry” calendars, whatsoever. 🙁
Baron (19:52)/ACP
I knew Fraser in his Soho days: a two-bit thug: a freelance razor for Billy Hill or anyone else who needed a useful eejit to do their dirty work for them. Obnoxious little scrote. Thick as a brick! In later years I crossed swords too with the younger members of his tribe. They inherited his sweet characteristics. Thereby hangs many a tale.
He was elevated by the MSM in his dotage to celebrity status – like many others of his ilk. Low-life in spades. He was often mixed up with another FF from the detritus of the ‘sarf Landin’ undergrowth – an even more ruthless and much shrewder iron hook, who has many hits to his name and whose connections with the Philadelphia Mob have been mostly unreported. Fraser enjoyed being put in the same category, particularly when the letters ‘FF’ were whispered in awe on bugged telephone conversations. The other FF was in a different class, at a deeper level of depravity than Fraser. Fraser spent most of his life in stir, as I’m sure you know. I didn’t bother to read his obit as I knew it would be 90% unaldultered bs. Perhaps I should, and Fisk it?
Mind you watching John Brennan walking a tightrope between the CIA and O’Bullshit, makes all other villainy discussed hereon look like very small beer indeed. What a dog and pony show. Cue (yet again) Cur Richard Mottram!!
Wish my name was Lazarus. How I’d like to pick up my bed and get among ’em again. The new crop on both sides of the thin blue line are ‘bleedin’ ammer-chewers’ (as FF1 would remark and FF2 would echo dutifully).
Peter is quiet today, ennee? Hope he hasn’t been nicked by C13 (now SO 13 – I believe), because of the content of his blog; or perhaps whacked by the Animal Rights Army for the remarks about dog-fartin’!
Perilous business this blogging. And the CIA are bemoaning their unhappy lot – nuffing near as dangerous as bloggin’ , ennit?
BTW TM, if you’re being kept up to speed with my satirical scribblings, be afraid, be very afraid! Repeating canards is a perilous game, even when couched in the padding of complimentary hypocrisy. Hang your head in shame!
That’s scotched another urban myth then.
For years and years I’ve heard people reciting the canard that Jack “The Hat” McVitie, whose body was never found, was an extra ingredient one of the bridge supports on the M1 motorway. Tonight I read that the other “FF” confessed to dumping him into the channel somewhere off Newhaven. How dull is that! That’s why they always “print the legend”, I suppose.
Just realised: Telemachus might think that last crack was directed at him. Not so sunshine, it’s an in joke (sorta) with an ex-professional who should know better. Now otherwise referred to in the loop as a-h.
Baron (20:27)
Used to be that way; perhaps still is in the round. But thank you for bringing it both to my attention and to the attention of the wider world. Hope it ‘trends’. It’s certainly much truer take than most of the propaganda directed against the sharp end, aided and abetted by the politicized Ponce’s now entrusted with running HM’s Bobbies. MTRIH.
Thank you kind ,Sir. It’s pity you had to get a second opinion though, ennit?
Frank P
Good to see you’re seeing off the PC crew.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/11/Stop-sending-me-sex-change-requests-says-84-year-old-retired-policeman
‘Mad’ Frankie! He’s got nothing on the North London Adams family. The worst they ever got convicted for was tax evasion and cannabis supply. There was a story that a con who cut someone up in the way only a professional could must have been employed by Terry Adams to cut up all his victims. The con got cocky and decided to do someone over himself but although he was expert at cutting the person up, he didn’t know how to get rid of the parts and people kept finding them in fields. Division of labour. Terry A knew how to do that. And he never had his fingerprints on anything. And the other big family in North London was the Arifs. Turks. Heroin. Bodies. It’s the ones yet to have films made about them that were the worst. The Krays and FF were Mickey Mousers next to the pros who would never go near a camera.
If it’s the Vic Kellagher I once knew, it’s funnier than you could ever conceive. 🙂
BTW, by sheer coincidence and apropos your 20:27 – I just saw this on FNS (Neil Cavuto):
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/10/alabama-cop-buys-shoplifting-grandmother-dozen-eggs-and-video-goes-viral/
Hope it wasn’t a rig-up, as some may aver. In my experience it’s the kind of commonplace occurrence that goes on throughout policing the world over. It’s a bit convenient just at this time I must confess, but why should the devil have all the tunes?
Most con’s have ‘ACAP’ tattooed on their fingers. It’s bullshit. Just as suggesting that corruption surges from below. It doesn’t. It is gravity fed and stops at the first level of straight management. There have been times when, as with society at large, depravity prevails in pockets of various size. Humanity is flawed and the police has its share of the flawed from time to time. But without the boys in blue and their sleuths in mufti, we would have been even more fucked than we increasingly are. I can tell it how it is now. And perhaps it’s time I did, before it’s too late.
Chimp Smoker (22:00)
There you go – glorifying another group of overblown thugs. They are well known through press coverage, albeit under-convicted. There are those whose ‘straight’ businesses, football clubs, etc. etc whose seed corn came from the proceeds of crime, or laundered by them for a cut, who are the most despicable.. And of course the real ‘Mr Bigs’ are the heavy proportion of bad bastards who are incumbents of the strongest mafia of them all: the Palace of Westminster and the Marble sewage factories of the EU.
As for the warm-mongers – even my bade scatology cannot describe their venality. I leave that to the ubermeister – St Mark of Steyn. Aided and abetted by our own EC of course, who may well evolve to canonization in that field. Keep it up EC!
As for the warm-mongers – even my base scatology cannot describe their venality. I leave that to the ubermeister – St Mark of Steyn. Aided and abetted by our own EC of course, who may well evolve to canonization in that field. Keep it up EC!
Did you know Peckham in the old days Frank? It’s where I was born. And my Dad worked in a cafe as a teenager where the Cray’s would sometimes come in for a bite.
There’s a mug shot of Vic Kellagher here:
http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Exeter-policeman-8216-Stop-sending-sex-change/story-25540453-detail/story.html
The gender clinic is at Dix’s Field, Exeter. YCMIU !
Peter (23:13)
If the Crays came in I hope your Dad availed himself of that item on the menu. Very good, but lots of pepper needed, I find.
OTOH, if the Krays came in, they were probably visiting Joey Pyle or Ginger Tilley. 🙂
I knew Peckham’s criminal scene pretty well; spent mamy hours in cramped obo vehicles watching the the pond life. Many of the specimens from beneath the pond weed there regarded themselves as part of the Gentry of Crime. JP was a collector and enforcer for the US mob, GT was into pub ‘protection’ and illicit booze, one of GT’s apparatchiks: unfortunately there was a time when some a-h’s from the Yard decided they were ‘good cocks’ and fell under their corruptive influence. They finished up the dock of the Old Bailey, partly as a result. Both the cops and the Gentry, that is. You’re stirring my sump again. You did tee up that spelling mistake for me, didn’t you, you cunning old blog host? A hole in one?
EC (00:32)
Hehhehheh. No, not the Kellaher I knew. He gets a mention in this amusing, but a bit OTT website, scroll down some if you don’t find it interesting. The Kellaher I know had no g in the name, but he made a ‘g’ or two in the Job.
But as you say – cue Richard Littlejohn “Dix Field” indeed …..
Sri – link:
http://londonlowlife.wordpress.com/lowlife-library/from-hell-2/
Another report from my old pal John Sopko, this time via PJ Media:
http://pjmedia.com/blog/audit-finds-reconstruction-mess-104-billion-with-projects-military-that-afghans-cant-sustain/
Still stirring the shit, God Bless him. Just hope it’s not a Parthian shot on behalf of O’Bullshitter to bolster the anti-CIA crap engendered by the ‘woman scorned’ Dianne Feinstein. Timing is bad. The political atmosphere over there is foetid at present. Perhaps Feinstein will regret that she has shat on her own floor because she appars to have fallen back in it.
In my interaction with John S he was as straight as a die, apolitical and a very effective prosecutor of Mobbery (and Robbery). A good friend too. Many exchange visits. I would say his findings are a true bill, regardless of the timing.
And while we are on the subject of Diannes with only one ‘n’ I assume you all caught the Twin Terrors – QT and ‘This Week’ – tonight? Although confessing that I have oft gone against the grain of Wallsters here – and posited that the mix in the audience is sadly probably a true representation of hoi polloi in ‘Great’ Britain – I must accept that tonight that audience cannot possibly have not been rigged. IT. WAS. BENT. In-yer-face and arrogantly so. It was set-up against Farage, of course, always a given. But as ever, he played a blinder and despite a hostile audience and panel, he made Brand look like the Kuwaiti tanker and cottager that he self-confessedly is. In the end Nigel had him cowering behind his clenched wanking paws, like a frightened rabbit. The comment from Brand that he had a good education at his comp. school was uttered without a trace of irony “like wot I wrote” no doubt. Sorry, now I’m giving him oxygen, Baron, but I promise there’s a whiff of cyanide gas with it this time, I hope.
I thought the Cavendish girl from the Times was good. But the labour harpie was straight out of the Milibollocks mould and issued all the old Marxist clichés by the bucket-load. Verbal diarrhoea, too. Almost as bad As Ballsie’s bint.
As for TW, we’ll have to change the name ‘FatBot’ for you know who. I think we have gotten through to her and she appeared to be on a slimming diet, when she claimed her ‘seat’ on the couch beside Portmanteau. Probably Gobby would be better, now, because that will never change – the girl can’t help it! .. as the song goes.
Douglas Murray tore her to shreds; though a bit light on his loafers, he has quite a sharp tongue, (as the Bishop said to the Bishop – not quite L Charteris this time, but ack, anyway, he would have adapted it to suit the Zeitgeist by now).
Portmanteau choo choo was his usual ‘play it both ways’ self. But the real pisser was that other light loafered twat dressed as Santa from some obscure blog that had made some mild comments about the This Week Show on his blog. I refuse to name it, to give the idiot any more footfalls (light loafers or hobnail boots); but one wonders what BBC exec laid that on for him. In true Kenneth Williams style he purported to be father Christmas or summat with a list from the various politicos. The double entendre of ‘A new supply of fags’ on the list from Nigel Farage was coyly deflected when he verbally read it as ‘cigarettes’. But I have little doubt that he would be able to fill anyone’s stocking with either. Poor man’s ‘Round the Horne’, except it was unfunny. He’s no Ken Williams (or even Dale Winters if that is what they are trying to set up for him – watch that space.
I fear The CHW will not be invited to the next episode – the Christmas Party, A bona (ha) fide Christmas, I’ll bet! Despite the fact that we review the programme regularly. Ye Gods! Go on EC – cue Richard Littlejohn again. And btw, I didn’t – it’s all freakin’ true!
And there was me thinking Brillo was beginning to show signs of being a real journalist of the old school of objective interrogators. You blew it tonight,Andrew – big time! The silly season is no fucking excuse. Why don’t you invite your Irish Jig expert to the party next week, he must be rich by now.
Apologies for hogging the thread for the past coupla days. I’ve little else to do except click on the button ten times each post to get my shit through the maze. I’m not sure my patience will prevail. I smell a rat. Particularly when there is a sub-link at the bottom of the box which says “Convert or Die” (greyed out). If I didn’t know it was a link to Peter’s last proper post, I could take that as a threat. Not much of incentive to convert though as the second part of the imperative is all too obvious. But not yet! I’m having too much fun here. It’s being so cheerful that keeps me going. A bottle of Cava to the first one who can name whose catchphrase that was – but no Daily Politics mug with it, I promise. And certainly no Blue Nun. Arrrggghhh!
I’m gonna try my pit now, Good night.
Last nights QT up on YoTube by 2-00am here – usually takes several days (BBC blocks iviewer to Oz).
Brand just confirmed what a dumb pillock he is with his affected accent and faux gangster affectations, whilst the BBC once again demonstrated how it packs the audience with bigoted lefties without manners or arguments. Shouting ‘racist’ has lost it’s impact and the sooner the blue-haired bitch learns that and gets some decent arguments, the better far all.
Best comment by a random audience lady (to the above blue-rinse bitch) “You are the rudest women I’ve ever met”
Frank 21.18
I am travelling but in monitoring mode
Beginning to dream of Peace at this auspicious time
Kent-on-Line provides a review of BBC QT.Also a poll as to who came out on top.So far Farage scores 55% and Brand 25%.You don’t have to have seen the show to vote.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury/news/brand-v-farage-your-verdict-28511
When, at his comprehensive school, Russell Brand told them he was going to be a comedian everybody laughed. Well, they’re not laughing now…..
[is that a Bob Monkhouse gag, somebody earlier, or trad. ?]
Nigel Farage on 58% at the moment!
Error 503 – Service Unavailable.
It really is !
“Former London Bus Route 503 (1988-1991) – South Kensington – Knightsbridge – Hyde Park Corner – Marble Arch – Oxford Street – Bloomsbury – Clerkenwell – Moorgate.
Last Operated By Red Arrow”
BTW. If anybody is into “bus porn” then this is the site for you:
http://londonbusesbyadam.zenfolio.com/p636546788
Travelling where Tele?
Do GCHQ know?
Testing for the tenth time. Fuck it! Happy Christmas and a quicker New Year. I’ll check back in to see how things are about mid-January. That should please some, but for the stalwarts – all you wish for yourselves.
Now to persevere at least ’til this one makes it!
I see that Nigel has reportedly accepted Desmond’s dollar. Oh Dear! Due diligence? Must have been arranged by the coalition apparatchiks. That should sink the ship. What a shame!
EC December 12th, 2014 – 09:00
[is that a Bob Monkhouse gag, somebody earlier, or trad. ?]
Yes it is.
Frank P December 12th, 2014 – 03:23
“It’s being so cheerful that keeps me going.”
Tommy Handley.
Two hillbillies walk into a restaurant. While having a bite to eat, they talk about their moonshine operation.
Suddenly, a woman at a nearby table, who is eating a sandwich, begins to cough.
After a minute or so, it becomes apparent that she is in real distress. One of the hillbillies looks at her and says, Kin ya swallar?’
The woman shakes her head no. Then he asks, ‘Kin ya breathe?’
The woman begins to turn blue, and shakes her head no.
The hillbilly walks over to the woman, lifts up her dress, yanks down her drawers, and quickly gives her right butt cheek a lick with his tongue.
The woman is so shocked that she has a violent spasm, and the obstruction flies out of her mouth.As she begins to breathe again, the Hillbilly walks slowly back to his table. His partner says, ‘Ya know, I’d heerd of that there ‘Hind Lick Maneuver’ but I ain’t niver seed nobody do it!’
“Passengers are facing widespread disruption after a serious computer failure at the UK’s air traffic control centre grounded and diverted flights. London flight delays after glitch”
I smell a rat, or rats wearing tea cjoths on their heads. Am I paranoid, cynical or possibly correct?
anne wotana kaye December 12th, 2014 – 18:37
“I smell a rat, or rats wearing tea cjoths on their heads. Am I paranoid, cynical or possibly correct?”
I would say 100% correct.
David Ossitt
December 12th, 2014 – 14:53
Frank P December 12th, 2014 – 03:23
“It’s being so cheerful that keeps me going.”
Tommy Handley.
Ah, ITMA! Those were the days. Not a filthy scruff like Brand, but brilliant comedians. I used to lay in bed with my ear to the wall listening to my mother’s radio. There was also “Monday Night at Eight O’Clock” I’d better stop now, because I am recalling “In Town Tonight”, “Appointment with Fear”- all wonderful programmes which the bolshies running the BBC today wouldn’t know ass from elbow how to produce.
some of these old radio shows were filthy. barely disguised innuendo. and quite a few cracks about homosexuality -amazing cos it was illegal then.
damn funny tho.
David Ossitt, December 12th, 2014 – 14:53
Frank P December 12th, 2014 – 03:23
“It’s being so cheerful that keeps me going.”
Tommy Handley.
ITMA was a little before my time, but according to my chum Dave(*) the retired Postie, and my occasional brain care consultant, it was “Mona Lott” (Joan Harben) wot said it.
(*) It was Dave that pointed me into Chic Murray on YouTube. Old school, very funny and no swearing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-q2cKR3_yo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CFgaNSJe_w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz2wRjlsS8U (with Eric Sykes)
alexsandr – 20:00 “innuendo. and quite a few cracks”
LOL You’re not doing too badly yourself! 🙂 🙂
Before I post this, let me be clear that I do not support Dick Cheney in everything. I think the war in Iraq was pointless and benefited only multi-national oil companies etc. It was an exploitation of the necessary response to Islamic terror.
The number one response to Islamic terror, though, should be to get all Muslims out of non-Islamic countries. I think that’s worth saying in a week when Dave has been trying to up the ante on getting Turkey into the EU.
Headline: Former Vice President Dick Cheney blasts Senate torture report as ‘full of cr**’ and says CIA tactics are ‘totally justified’
Report is a ‘terrible piece of work’ that is ‘deeply flawed,’ Cheney said
It is ‘not true’ that President Bush didn’t know that aggressive interrogation
techniques were being used on terrorism suspects until four years later
‘So the notion that….the agency was operating on a rogue basis and we
weren’t being told….is just a flat out lie,’ he stated
What really happened, according to Cheney: ‘We asked the agency
to…catch the ba****** who killed 3,000 of us on 9/11’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2869337/Senate-torture-report-s-cr-say-former-Vice-President-Dick-Cheney.html
On this count, Cheney is right. I post this news story because I think it contrasts so well with Theresa May’s power grab over all of us – especially those of us who see Islam for what it is. Theresa May took the killing of Lee Rigby, which was designed to be unspied upon (it used the most primitive of methods) and then said that because these two Islamic terrorsits spewed hate of the West on Facebook beforehand, she needed to spy on everyone. Rubbish. That murder was designed so that the pre-planning would not be anywhere near a digital device.
As to spewing hate of the West on Facebook, what do you think these people – generally speaking – do? That’s why they shouldn’t be in the West in the first place. But that would bring us to the subject of border controls. Remind me whose job that is again, Theresa? Facebook is a swamp for that sort of thing. Some might be active terrorists. Most are just digital gobsh***s.
The West does not need to spy on its own citizens. The only reason Theresa May really wants to do that is to mute criticism of Islamic terror. What the forces of law and order need to do is the opposite of target everyone. They need to do exactly what Mr Cheney says: When you know who they are – and it’s obvious – take them down the local nick and knock the daylights out of them until the pips squeak. There is a war on. These people are not American or British. They are the sworn enemies of the West.
How on earth is it that we have Theresa May conning people into believing they should be spied upon and we are asked to condemn what is obvious? Beat the daylights out of them and they might spill the beans and at the very least they’ll go back home and discourage more Islamic terrorists emigrating to the West. Think of it as a cheap way to control the borders, Theresa, since you can’t be bothered.
The problem of Islamic terror requires the singling out of Islamic terrorists for methods we would not use on anyone else because Islamic terrorists are so unbelievably wicked. It does not require everyone to be spied upon so Theresa May can keep a little black book on people who don’t want Turkey to join the EU and so on. It’s as simple as that.
Chimp,
I could not have put this better myself, there is only one language these people understand and respect, and that is brute force. Beat the crap out of them, that at least will deter some, what would be even more effective is a promise to bomb those countries who actively support Islamic terrorism back to the stone age, an era they should never have left and where they are most at home. I write this as someone who has spent half his working life in the Middle East, therefore I know what I am talking about, which is a damn side more than do our effete rulers.
Stephen 01.34
Totally agree Stephen, anyone with experience of these countries knows what they are like ( and I don’t mean as a tourist)
The simple answer is they should not be in the west, and to talk of turkey joining the EU is utter madness.
Apart from making the situation worse what do they expect to happen.
Utter utter madness.
A 35 year old mother who dreamed of sending her eight-year-old son to fight in a holy war has been jailed for more than five years for using social media to incite terrorism. Runa Khan, who lives in Luton, said the UK was “the last place I would want to live” and wrote to friends of how much she wanted to travel to Syria to join IS fighters.
According to the Express, she used Facebook to urge male Muslims to take up arms for the extremist Islamists who have caused misery to hundreds of thousands in Syria and northern Iraq.
One such message was posted on 30th July with an image of a suicide vest with the phrase “sacrificing your life to benefit Islam.”
And Khan, who is a mother to six children, had even taken photos of one of her children – who is only a toddler – holding guns and swords.
She had taken to an extremist website to say that one day she would send her sons to fight. “I pictured the future while I was zipping up his jacket, in aha Allah I’ll be tying the shahada bandana around his forehead and handing him his rifle and send him out to play the big boys game,” she wrote.
I wonder how much it’s going to cost to keep her in prison, against the cost of granting her dream and shipping her and her entire bloody family out there.
I should have included this part of the case, so here it is. !!!
Khan was even allowed to appear in the dock wearing a niqab meaning that just her eyes were visible. She admitted four charges of disseminating terrorist publications between July and September 2013.
Her barrister, Jo Sidhu, described his client’s religious beliefs as “inflexible” and said she was “extremely insecure, unsophisticated, binary in her thought processes” and “devoid of any proper” and “reasonable” Islamic teaching.
I thought the barristers comments were illuminating. What a benifit to this country.
On Thursday I took possession of my new glasses, for the fist time in over two months I could see clearly, to celebrate I took a short stroll along Whitechapel Road. I could hardly believe the changes, first I saw two, yes, two white faces! if that was not bad enough they have erected a Christmas tree in the market. Christian symbolism? what next I ask myself? carol services in the mosque? handing out bacon sarnies for the Eid festival? I tell you the place is going from the wogs to the dogs.
The reports in the wake of the death of Jeremy Thorpe were physically sickening. This man was scum, and the Establishment covered up for him. Whenever you are told there is a public enquiry being overseen by an ‘independent’ judge, you are being lied to. And as to judges in high-profile criminal cases, they are the same ‘independent’ judges who preside over these public enqu-white-washes.
For people who say there is no conspiracy, these people act like wasps in the nest, they know what to do. And they know what happens if they don’t do it. They know what side their bread is buttered on.
From Thorpe to paedophile MPs to torture, the ruling elite ALWAYS try to cover up their sins. That is why bids to constrain the media are so insidious
Tom Mangold was first journalist to learn about Jeremy Thorpe conspiracy
He believes Special Branch and Scotland Yard were well aware of the truth
But they instinctively knew how to cover up a scandal to protect the MP
Mr Mangold received calls from other Liberals warning him off the story
He believes the ‘right’ judge was hand-picked for the sensitive Thorpe trial
Mr Mangold was ordered to destroy his evidence or told he would be fired
Whitehall did not want another homosexual scandal incase it damaged
Britain’s relationship with the U.S
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2872344/From-Thorpe-paedophile-MPs-torture-ruling-elite-try-cover-sins-bids-constrain-media-insidious.html
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4951/germans-islamization-pegida
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Chimp Smoker:
Here’s a penetrating interview that Tom Mangold did a little earlier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1Qc_8DoUCs
Tom Mangold answers critics of his Silent Conspiracy programme about Thorpe (on Feedback,Radio 4).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04tlys1
Lost and Found.
https://pic.twitter.com/NuhicbjwgW
Do you know this man? *Are* you this man? Is this`telemachus`.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhEFuq62-I
I see that Abel is backing Cain for Prime Minister. Ugh!
Mine 12.44 : Who is this man?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAhEFuq62-I
‘This video doesn’t exist’, or ‘blocked plug-in’ said the caption when Baron clicked on your links to the mystery man.
Baron:my link at 12.52 ought to work;otherwise look-up *wealdstone raider*.
Interesting that Desmond has decided to support UKIP with the Express and Star. It seemed odd to me that no MSM wanted to support a popular movement. Will this now accelerate the influence of UKIP?
Many thanks EC and Radford NG for the Tom Mangold links. I’ve been thinking about his Daily Mail article all day and I think it rather explains why – even though he is long dead – we will never be told the truth about Ted Heath.
If the Establishment went out of its way to protect minor political figures like Jeremy Thorpe, Cyril Smith and Peter Righton because, in Tom Mangold’s words, they were frightened of ‘the deleterious effect it would have on the balance between rulers and ruled’ then anyone higher than their level of office would also be protected until death and possibly beyond.
It is simply too much to say to the British public: this person in the highest office in the land did this. And we all know the names of many still living who laugh themselves to sleep at night knowing this and are getting away with similar crimes.
And when Mangold writes about how his boss was in fact an MI5 agent:
‘With the benefit of hindsight, it now becomes more than a mere suspicion that we investigative journalists at the cutting edge of the story were being gently manipulated by others in powerful positions — people who were anxious to know how much information there was about the developing scandal, how accessible it was, and what could be done to shut it down.
‘After all, how much easier to use unwitting real reporters than get spooks to pose as reporters to dig for information.’
That tells me something I’ve long thought: no LibLabCon government will ever abolish the state broadcaster. Its use to them is simply too powerful.
It’s not that commercial news companies don’t have MI5 people in their midst (there will always be at least a handful of them working as opinion columnists on each major newspaper) – and beyond news organisations there are FTSE 100 companies with MI5 people at the helm.
In the case of the BBC, it is simply too powerful a propaganda tool to ever be dismantled. The internet has flushed out the bullying on the doorstep of the TV licence inspectors (look at the YouTube films) and that is what has prompted a re-think about decriminalising non-licence fee paying. But the licence fee tax will remain – probably as an add-on to council tax. There will never be a dismantling of the BBC, though; the security services can use it as a two-way mirror: throwing into public reflection what they want seen and using it to snoop and act like an all seeing eye. Strange to think that those entrusted with ‘national security’ are least qualified to defend it.
I’ve just watched the Question Time episode and it wasn’t quite as exciting as I’d hoped. The woman with the blue hair screaming ‘racist’ is, the Mail reports, Bunny La Roche, a socialist who runs ‘Thanet Stand Up To Ukip’. That is not a joke. Farage plans to stand there and the outrider political groups are already there, as they were in Rochester and Strood, only a lot earlier. They want Farage’s scalp. It’s a ‘get the leader’ strategy now.
I thought the most interesting part of the show is that the Left’s meme of ‘racism’, ‘you blame immigrants’, ‘you have a fear of “the other”‘ etc has run its course as being accepted among the masses.
That’s not true of the media and the elite (Russell Brand would not get the platforms he does if he suggested otherwise). But I noticed the audience were sympathetic by arguments about being screwed over by the white collar fraudsters in the City of London, but the Left’s use of ‘racism’ to close down all debate was when the white working class in the audience lost it with Brand.
It’s very rare to see ‘telemachus’ argue over anything else, and the same is true of other Leftists. Racism, racism, racism. What happened to taxing multi-nationals? What happened to fair pay? What about nationalising utilities so that they are not owned by, er, other foreign utilities who shove them in their pension fund? We see Labour wants to fight the next election on the NHS, which it hopes will neutralise its race replacement programme. Labour will say the NHS cannot run without immigrants. But hold on. They all need public services too that need paying for. It’s a Ponzi scheme of sorts to keep importing people who cost so much. And who hold back British children because the teacher has to cope with the fact that most of the class can’t speak English as a first language. And what about the mass paedophile rapes? And the cost that runs up in law and order? And the damage done to the children? And the general all-round stinking unpleasantness that the UK has become? And if immigration is all so good, why has a first world country turned into a third world cesspit?
As I say, it’s not over in media land, where the meme of screaming ‘racism’ is a pre-requisite to getting on TV and in the papers. But, after decades and decades of it, the public I think are finally realising how duped they have been by it.
The strange thing is that the Left – if it would abandon its race replacement ideology – could actually make some ground with the voters if it promised to tax the tax dodging multi-nationals and nationalise a few utilities. But they won’t. They are so committed to race replacment and screaming ‘racism’, they cannot think differently. One can have see their thinking: it is such a simple way of closing down debate and has reaped such dividends: look at London – a foreign city. But I think those dividends have gone. They had better hope the voters they have shipped in – and their fraudulent postal votes scam – makes up the shortfall, because belatedly I think the indigenes have woken up to the Left’s fraud.
As to the Tories. They plan to fight the election on the platform that to risk voting UKIP or Labour is to risk losing the economic ‘gains’ they have made in office. These ‘gains’ and this ‘recovery’ are the same as Labour’s benefits of immigration. Outside the spin of TV and newspapers, they don’t exist. They are a real as the Christian name that Gideon pretends he has.
A fascinating article on Bunny La Roche (and the people connected to her – Labour). All the comments support UKIP, as they did in Rochester and Strood reports until the by-election properly got underway. Then, in a matter of minutes, pro-UKIP comments got thousands of thumbs down and an army of anti-UKIP trolls appeared from nowhere thanks to Lynton Crosby.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/thanet-stand-up-to-ukip-21736/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Thanet-Stand-Up-To-UKIP/712783448792278
Chimp Smoker@December 14th, 2014 – 00:43
renationalisation is a big problem. Sounds easy but the reason stuff was denationalised in the first place was the massive investment necessary to build the businesses. Look at what the private sector has invested in rail & telecoms
If these were renationalised then their investment would be in PSBR and would have to compete with health and education. Just read back at the problems BR had getting investment from the treasury when in the public sector.
For anyone near Paris;an entertainment to raise funds for (Syrian) Yezidi refugees from the Islamic S.S.
http://pic.twitter.com/0u7opN5Dzc
As an ex-pat, I don’t normally read Kent Online, but reading up on Thanet Stand Up To Ukip, I started reading the sidebar and some other stories. There really is a massive digital strategy under way at the moment in the UK, which is LibLabCon pulling the police’s strings via Common Purpose connections. The police have, in effect, have become digital thought police. There is a story on Kent Online about this person being shut down.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/herne-bay/news/edl-djs-anger-as-officers-28472/
(interesting levels of support for the victim below in the debate section)
Where do the police find the time for this? As the public turn on LibLabCon, the LibLabcon placemen hidden away in the police and Ofcom do their dirty work for them and close down free speech. The streets are closed off due to anti-protest laws so even in the blogosphere, people are now targeted.
“Don’t forget the diver,sir.Don’t forget the diver.”
(From Winchester ?)
http://pic.twitter.com/GU87SSCPyZ
A further expos(e-accent) of `Bunny`La Roche [BBC.QT] is found below;dated 12 Dec.
This is an independent pro-UKIP site mainly aimed against Hope not Hate and Tell Mama.
http://www.nopenothope.blogspot.co.uk
Excellent link Radford NG. These fringe groups are hugely powerful for LibLabCon because they can do the dirty work the LibLabConners want done.
They want to call UKIP racist but often daren’t so the ‘bad cop’ element is syndicated to Hop Not Hate, UAF, La Roche. They are often funded by the unions or Labour. Hope Not Hate is, I believe, funded by trade unions. That’s their core Common Purpose: do the real mud-slinging that LibLabConners have to do mutedly for fear of insulting the voters too much on a daily basis.
And then there’s Theresa May’s taxpayer-funded spoiler party, Britain First. If you think there is any independent journalism in Britain then ask yourself why no newspaper or TV show has done a thorough and exhaustive investigation of this year’s An Independence From Europe Party, formed at the last moment for the European elections. And if you think it’s not co-ordinated, why did the Labour-controlled Electoral Commission allow ballot papers to be folded so UKIP was not seen when folded but spoiler party An Independence From Europe was? The myopia of the MSM is very interesting.
The odious ‘Sir’ Martin Sorrell is leading the business leaders’ charge against UKIP in the general election and against EU-exit in any referendum. As spelt out above. It’s all about ‘locking in gains’ made by the Tories. Sorrell lavishes praise on Gideon Osborne and warns of ‘isolation’ from Europe, that immigration is a good thing ‘you can trust me on that, I’m a business leader’. And he warns of the ‘uncertainty’ of having a hung parliament. Goodness me, we wouldn’t want that, would we, Sir Martin. The sky might fall on our heads. Whatever you say, Sir Martin, we’ll do.
What is wonderful are the comments underneath. No-one belives this spin any more. My own put down to people who say immigration brings economic benefits is that if that is true why are parts of the UK now resembling the third world, complete with poverty, disease (sickle cell anaemia going through the roof in certain ‘communities’, TB), no go areas for non-Muslims, paedophile rape epidemics, rampant crime, unemployment and even ritual killings, in one case with a British soldier beheaded in the street.
But I think this is a far better put down (delivered to ‘Sir’ Martin): ‘this is a country, not a business park’. I will use that from now on.
Telfennol
“Along with others, I have previously urged political leaders to stand up for
what they believe in and make the positive case for immigration.”
They’d have their work cut out for them. Controlled, skilled migration can be beneficial when we have shortages, but mass migration benefits no-one except migrants themselves, and businesses who profit from a larger total market and the wage suppression that an expanded pool of workers allows.
The House of Lords report of 2008, which is about as authoritative as these things come, clearly showed that although mass migration grows total GDP, net GDP stays about the same – or to put it another way, the economic pie grows but our individual slice shrinks accordingly. That just leaves us with the downsides – pressure on housing, infrastructure, the welfare state, and the water supply, ever more crowded roads, problems with social cohesion and a country that feels less and less like our own.
To put it in a nutshell, Sir Martin, this is a country, not a business park. The welfare of businesses is important, but not at the expense of all other considerations, including the fact that this is our home, precious beyond measure, and not yours to give away.
bobbyboyce
When you say immigration is good for Britain, I think you mean good for you. Tell that to someone who faces high rent, low wages, probably less than you earn in 5 minutes.
If you lot want certainty you should have made sure there had been a referendum on the Lisbon treaty and all the other anti democratic actions which have been perpetrated on the British people in the past. You and your kind have created uncertainty and you show no signs of treating the British people with the slightest bit of courtesy.
Stop bleating, it is you, and people like you who are at fault, the blame is yours.
Alan Llandrindod Wells
How does this wrong-headed trougher get column space?
He went on and on about us joining the Euro or ending in poverty.
He was wrong then and he is wrong now.
Big business loves big government where they can help impose the tyranny of the status quo.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/11292426/The-clouds-over-Britains-future-that-wont-budge.html
An an old quote: “If the Government rules out membership of the euro… [it] would be damaging for British-based businesses.” ~ Sir Martin Sorrell, WPP Group
So there’s a ‘development’ at Elm House, but, as ever, it’s only the low level ones in the frame. The politicians can sleep easy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2873081/Now-police-investigate-two-undercover-officers-claims-abused-former-child-actor-guest-house-used-VIP-paedophile-ring.html
Elsewhere,
New blow for May’s sex abuse probe as Diana inquest QC agrees to lead rival investigation because of government’s ‘serious shortcomings’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2873053/New-blow-s-sex-abuse-probe-Diana-inquest-QC-agrees-lead-rival-investigation-government-s-shortcomings.html
Leaving aside Michael Mansfield’s political bias in the Macpherson inqiry (he is a self-confessed radical lawyer), this is by far and away the best thing that can happen. The Establishment is not going to broadcast the fact that MI5, MI6 and the Houses of Parliament, judiciary and so on are riddled with industrial-scale noncery. These people are not going to be put on trial. Theresa May is only ever going to organise a whitewash anyway.
But at least let the victims’ stories be recorded so that people can understand how many of the Great and Good spend their spare time xxxxing minors.
Chimp Smoker
Sir Martin Sorrell has done much much more for the UK economy than any failed stockbroker
*
It astonishes me that apparently intelligent people are taken in by the negative largely racially inspired message
What do we know of UKIP
*
1. They are not LibLabCon
2. They are not the Establishment
3. They do not want to stay in Europe
4. They do not want immigration
5. They want to stop Overseas Aid
I struggle to see anything positive
Anything they are not against
*
Except, I understand, they are in favour of Woad
tellytubby@1900
1 true. how is that not a good thing as liblabcon have misled and failed us for decades
2 well establishment = liblabcon so true.
3 false. we cannot leave Europe as it is a continent. They do want to leave the dysfunctional, socialist, undemocratic, beaurocratic rubbish EU. which is a good thing.
4 false. they want to control immigration, not stopit all together.
5. false – not stop. target and cut back. they beleive HMG should spend money on its people, not borrow to send money overseas.
You really need to research before posting this rubbish.
‘Sir’ Martin Sorrell has done for himself, tele, as the posters below his propaganda point out. Sorrell’s message is I’m All Right, Jack.
But the rest of the country is not all right just because he wants more consumers flaoting about. Too many incomers disobey the law (or want to replace it with Sharia), they need housing, schooling, the transport system can’t cope. ‘Sir’ Martin doesn’t want to pay the taxes for any of this. He’s happy to sell stuff into it for his clientele, but he don’t want to pay for it with tax. And boy does it eat up a lot of tax.
That is why so much of the UK has turned from a first world country into third world cesspit. There is no quality of life when people have to walk down the street wondering whether someone is about to cut their head off with a meat cleaver and cries of Allahuah Akbar. If the price of not having this is that ‘Sir’ Martin’s clients sell a few less Mars bars, that’s tough. The rest of us want to live in civilization, not some open prison under 24 hour surveillance because of the people who shouldn’t be there in the first place.
Terrorist situation reported in Martin Place,central Sydney,N.S.W.
Aaah, that’s better; a little quieter!
I was reading the posts by Radford NG and Chimp Smoker above and thinking to myself “Why doesn’t the United Kingdom have its Alex Jones, its Michael Savage, its Jeremiah of the air-waves etc”. One reason may be that no one has been prepared to put in the 20 years hard graft of those gentlemen; or no one has the spiritual and intellectual equipment or drive or taste for research, reading, facts. Or it may be that that they are all “demagogues” anyway and Englishmen don’t listen to demagogues…
And then I turned to the link offered by
Chimp Smoker
@ 13:49 – Kent Online
“Where do the police find the time for this? ” Where indeed? They seem to have been allocated a generous budget of the stuff when EDL is in their sights.”As the public turn on LibLabCon, the LibLabcon placemen hidden away in the police and Ofcom do their dirty work for them and close down free speech. ” There you go! UKIP can expect to be targeted as vpgorously as was the EDL, indeed in spades.
More alternative media is needed – more but better; not less. Davey Russell does not look to be Britain’s Alex Jones in the making, but I was puzzled to know what he was doing or would have been capable of doing with those bits and pieces of equipment which were seized. Perhaps Peter could say?
In the meantime, Mr. Russell says he is not planning to apply for a radio licence. Is a licence necessary to broadcast using the internet? If so, someone would be breaking the law each time he used Skype.
This is an interesting area, especially with general elections coming up. I am also reminded of Radio Caroline. Any charitable shipowners pro-UK?
Currently,from Australia:ABC News 24 Live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvzpSvyyZis
Alexandr
Truth is often dismissed as rubbish by those whose ears and minds are closed
And yet
Yet
As each day passes the reasonable realise as in the dying days of the Weimar Republic that time and tide are against them
Kneejerkism from Martin’s place today will ensure the forward march of your views
While the Telegraph tells us that even Miliband has been cowed into silence on immigration
No, it’s not the Sydney Street Siege, it is the bloody islamists once again wrecking civilisation. A siege is taking place in a cafe in Sydney, and the cursed black islamic flag has been raised over the building where the hostages are being held. Heaven forbid, if the wog is shot, because then the bleeding hearts will be whimpering about torture, etc. Here, I expect the crawling Malcolm Rifkind will be preparing his complaints.
anne wotana kaye – 08:47
“No, it’s not the Sydney Street Siege, it is the bloody islamists once again wrecking civilisation.”
You wait, it’ll be declared yet another case of ‘lone wolf syndrome’ by the end of the day. Even if the body count = 0 it’s job done in terms of terror, no matter what form of words (taqiyya) Sydney’s islamist leaders come up with.
On the news this morning – Al Jazeera – the premise was already that it was a lone wolf and that the vast majority of Muslims completely condemn such actions.
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