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With respect, you need to make up your minds. When I ban him a load of people leave because I am against free speech. When he posts a load of you leave because you don’t want him to post.
If you have all decided to leave then that is pretty much up to you. I’ve enjoyed reading your posts but nothing has to last forever if people don’t want it to.
I am happy to ban him, but I will then face opposition from those who think that is totalitarian. So make your minds up. I’ve kept this going for you to post what you want and I have only been an email away.
I vote Ban.
“GIVE ME THREE GOOD REASONS TO STAY IN EUROPE.” (Queen Elizabeth)
SORRY MA’AM, WE CAN’T THINK OF ONE. (The Sun newspaper)
Headline in the Sun today.
Peter,
Why ban him? just do not read the drivel he posts, it is not obligatory to do so, and by reading and reacting to the prat he is awarded the attention he so obviously craves.
No don’t ban him, he keeps you aware of what they are like and he’s not going to change opinions here.
If the vote goes to stay in I see a massive shift of conservative voters to ukip. Because the conservatives in the remain camp are not conservative.
Nigel should accept all out people and leave two broken party’s to squabble amongst themselves
John Birch,
Well said John, what we are seeing here is not so much a referendum on the EU but the entire political establishment cutting its collective throat, which can only be to the benefit of the entire nation.
It’s your blog and your decision Peter.
News from Italy.
5 Star Movement wins Mayoral elections in Rome,Turin,Parma and !6 other cities.
Is it true that Thursday’s referendum is not legally binding on the UK government ?
That even if Brexit wins, the powers that be will ensure that Britain stays in the EU ?
PS Don’t ban tele, just scroll past him. It’s bad for your blood pressure to read through all the stuff he posts.
postergirl @ 18:40
It is true the referendum isn’t binding, that’s the escape door for the boy because the majority of MPs are for continuing with the nibbling away of sovereignty, gradual enslavement of the unwashed by the anointed, ultimate transfer of power to the Mutti’s powerhouse.
We must vote brexit, we must.
The barbarian has only now scanned the postings towards the end of the previous week (he wasn’t in), in principle, he cannot but agree with Stephen and John, but as his old time guru Burke had it ‘principles shouldn’t be followed slavishly, should merely inform’, one should use them as a guide, and if circumstances demand it, one can go against them to attain a higher goal.
To have the blog without Frank, the Colonel, EC and Noa would be unthinkable, we might as well pack up, go do some knitting.
Telemachus has plenty of exposure elsewhere, he won’t be deprived of his voice, he will continue to receive pummelling elsewhere.
One can only hope, Baron certainly does, that neither Stephen nor John, nor anyone else who hasn’t yet declared will not leave the blog if Peter decides to cut telemachus off.
If Baron may suggest, Peter, before you make any decision you should also consider whether anyone else, not just Declan (however much one appreciates his interest in the blog), the MI5, has been visiting our blogging patch, the number of such visits and visitors, and above all whether it’s financially prudent for you to run it.
The thing is will banning our socialist pet now bring the four giants back?
But as Noa says, Peter, in the end, the ball’s for you to play.
If by some miracle the Remain crowd prevails, Baron reckons the Brussels apparatchiks will be far from magnanimous, that word isn’t in their dictionary. On the contrary, they and their UK Quislings, will go for the kill, the incorporation of Turkey into the EU could be it.
Those objecting will be told to shut up, the country has voted to remain in the happy family of the 28, those in charge of it have always wanted Turkey to be next to join the ‘successful’ construct, (remember the boy’s speech ‘from Ankara to whatever’?), after the 23rd endorsed by no other than the British voter.
And they will have a point. What better time than after Britain votes to remain to rub in it the brexiters’ nose. Arghhh
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/22/eu-begin-fresh-talks-turkish-membership-days-brexit-vote/
In the commentary on the last big shot by the two opposing camps, the commentator says (about Boris’s final words):
“Suddenly voting leave became about democracy, self-belief and those who were denied a voice. The idea of leave became aspirational and even heroic. Making his hand into a fist of resolution, he declared that if we vote leave tomorrow and take back control, ‘I believe that this Thursday can be our country’s independence day!’”
Quite, it should have always been about democracy, the government of the people, for the people, by the people’. This is what’s at stake, has always been at stake. The brexit leadership should have rejected the emphasis on economy or anything else, push and push and push again what has always underpinned the existence of every nation – the self governance, the ability of the unwashed to dismiss those who don’t deliver, the judiciary that draw on the past cases before it, a fully accountable House of people’s representatives, not a bunch of appointed apparatchiks.
In the spirit of the ancient Magna Carta, in honour of those who lost their lives in the last two World Wars, to ensure our children, grandchildren can elect as well as boot out those who govern them, vote tomorrow any way you like but remain, PLEASE.
And this:
Frank, Colonel, EC, Noa, please, reconsider, come back, the country needs you.
‘INDEPENDENCE DAY.
SUN SAYS BACK BREXIT We urge you to make history and win back Britain’s freedom…believe in yourself and our country’s greatness – vote LEAVE’
https://www.thesun.co.uk/
DAILY MAIL
‘Nailed, the four big EU lies: Talks with Turkey WILL start in days, Germany says Brexit WON’T spark trade war, Brussels will NOT reform on open borders and deporting jobless migrants is a myth’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
DAILY TELEGRAPH
‘EU referendum: Race ‘too close to call’ as four polls give different sides the lead on final campaign day’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
THE TIMES
‘Final polls leave Britain’s future on a knife edge ‘
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/
DAILY EXPRESS
‘Your country needs YOU: Vote Leave today to make Britain even greater’
http://www.express.co.uk/
DR. PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS – IN THE FINANCIAL BLOG, KING WORLD NEWS
‘…Cox’s Murder Used To Drive The Propaganda
The UK government and presstitute media used Cox’s murder to drive home the propaganda that violent racists were behind Brexit. However, other witnesses gave a different report. The Guardian, which led with the propaganda line, did report later in its account that “Other witnesses said the attack was launched after the MP became involved in an altercation involving two men near where she held her weekly surgery.” Of course, we will never know, because Cox’s murder is too valuable of a weapon against Brexit.
There is no doubt that many in the UK are disturbed at the transformation of their country…
…Why The Elites Had To Stop Brexit At All Costs
Wall Street understands that the defeat of Brexit means a shortened lifespan for London as a financial center, as it is impossible to be a financial center unless a country has its own currency and central bank. As it is impossible for the UK to be a member of the EU and not operate under the European Central Bank, once the Brexit referendum is defeated, the process of gradually forcing the UK into the euro will begin.
The other powerful interest is the interest of Washington to prevent one country’s exit from leading to the exit of other countries. As CIA documents found in the US National Archives make clear, the EU was a CIA initiative, the purpose of which is to make it easy for Washington to exercise political control over Europe. It is much easier for Washington to control the EU than 28 separate countries. Moreover, if the EU unravels, so likely would NATO, which is the necessary cover for Washington’s aggression.
The EU serves Washington and the One Percent. It serves no one else. The EU is a murderer of sovereignty and peoples. The intent is for the British, French, Germans, Italians, Greeks, Spanish, and all the rest to disappear as peoples. Brexit is the last chance to defeat this hidden agenda, and apparently the British will vote tomorrow without having a clue as to what is at stake and what the vote is about.” ‘
http://kingworldnews.com/paul-craig-roberts-just-exposed-terrifying-reason-elites-stop-brexit-costs/
ZERO HEDGE
‘The true fear lies with those who stand to lose the most, in this case the countries who hold the Euro currency together with the thinnest of threads. As Britons head to the polling booths, they should hold their heads high, rightly insulted at the feigned notion that the UK cannot stand on its own. After all, much of the civilized world we take for granted today is rooted in the British rule of law.’
LORD CHRISTOPHER MONCKTON – VOTE FOR BRITISH INDEPENDENCE AGAINST THE EU TYRANNY OF CLERKS BASED ON A SOVIET-STYLE CONSTITUTION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFF-Zvxa3h0
About 7 minutes into this Second Hour of Wednesday’s Alex Jones Show
BREXIT!
LEAVE!
Tele is an annoying bugger but he does draw out some explosive put downs from some of our giants (Barons word )which makes entertaining reading.
COLUMNISTS
ROD LIDDLE
Can a nutter also be a terrorist?
When is a nutter not a nutter, but a politically motivated terrorist? And are those two states of being always mutually exclusive? Or are they always the same thing?
That first question was asked, in a fairly gentle manner, by a Muslim mate of mine on a social media site. The thread had been about the murder of the Labour MP Jo Cox — and my friend was a little surprised to note the ease, if not eagerness, with which other commentators were ready to describe the alleged murderer as being simply a ‘loony’.
I do not know, and will not pre-judge, the state of mind of Thomas Mair, the man now charged with the murder of Jo Cox. The fact that he gave his name in court as ‘Death to Traitors, Freedom for Britain’ might or might not suggest that he is mentally ill rather than politically motivated. What is interesting is that so many people, at least on social media, appear to discount so readily the possibility of a political motive when a non-Muslim kills someone. My Muslim friend pointed out that if the person who killed an MP had been a different colour, had one of those stupid radical beards and had shouted out ‘Allahu Akbar!’ then people would be in no doubt that they were dealing not with a maniac, per se, but with a Muslim. And they would have come to that conclusion regardless of whether or not the man in question had a history of ‘mental health issues’. It would have been another Islamist crime, to add to all the others.
Muslims have become just about the only people who can murder and maim for political or ideological ends without us immediately conferring a diagnosis of madness upon them. Perhaps that is because they tend to do it quite a lot — and so we assume that because there are so many of them happy to blow themselves up or chop people’s heads off, they can’t all be mad. Or perhaps it is because we do not want to allow them the leeway of being ‘ill’.
Muslims are the only people who can murder for political or ideological ends without us proclaiming them mad
The far right can get quite nasty from time to time, though, can’t it? As it happens, the same sort of debate took place in implacably liberal Norway, when Anders Breivik murdered 77 people, 69 of them members of the Workers’ Youth League enjoying a summer camp on the island of Utoya. The country, in its immense and immediate trauma, craved for Breivik to be a lone nutter, a mental case, despite his very clearly stated political aims and aspirations. He was from the furthest reaches of the far right, a man who idolised the Norwegian Nazi traitor Vidkun Quisling and wished for the liberal political establishment to be wiped out. A first psychiatric assessment quickly decided that he was deranged — narcissistic, paranoid, psychopathic and so on. But by the time that assessment had been published, the mood in the country had changed: now his politics had begun to be taken seriously and the threat seen as rather greater than just one lone madman with a gun fixation.
A second psychiatric test was ordered, which dutifully enough found him sane. Perhaps this was mediated not only by the change in the public’s attitude, but also by Norway’s exceedingly liberal approach to crimes carried out by people considered to be mentally ill. They are not considered responsible for their actions and so, if only a few months later it can be demonstrated that they have overcome their psychotic episode and can now live a peaceful and productive life in society, they are set free. This happened to a Norwegian murderer shortly after Breivik carried out his atrocities. The killer had eviscerated a friend and daubed weird slogans in blood all over the walls. He was out and about a year after he was certified mad. People didn’t want Breivik out after a year, so he had to be sane.
There is an interesting reverse Catch-22 about the Breivik case. Breivik demanded he should be considered sane. But the rational course of action for him would have been to plead insanity, given the laxity with which he would have been treated. So you might argue that in demanding to be considered sane, he was rather neatly demonstrating his insanity. I spoke to the psychiatrist who helped compile that second report, a chap called Agnar Aspaas. He found Breivik rather weird, for sure, and somewhat narcissistic, and suffering from an antisocial personality disorder — but not mad. ‘The attack itself does not tell me if he is sane or not.’
It is a difficult issue, muddied still further by our experience of Islamic atrocities. One of the psychiatrists who produced that first report on Breivik, the one which pronounced him insane, effectively discounted his political opinions: ‘My theory is that violence is the primary thought and that the political ideology comes along afterwards. His political world exists just to have a world to be psychotic in.’ One of the crucial differences between those two psychiatric assessments of Breivik was the issue of ‘psychotic neologisms’. According to the first report, he made up strange words to describe political events and political parties — but the later report discovered they were not necessarily made up at all by Breivik, nor were they neologisms — they were very au courant on neo-Nazi and white supremacist websites. So this stuff was revolving around not only in the head of Breivik, but among hundreds — possibly thousands — of others across the world.
Do we decide such people are not mad, then, because others share their delusions? Just on a somewhat smaller scale than the jihadis, with their beards and their bombs and their implacable cruelty?
Were there any CCTV cameras at the scene of the attack on Mrs. Cox?
FEATURES
Britain’s great divide
The referendum has exposed a huge rift between the metropolitan elite and the rest
JAMES BARTHOLOMEW
In Notting Hill Gate, in west London, the division was obvious. On the east side of the street was a row of privately owned Victorian terraced houses painted in pastel colours like different flavoured ice creams. These houses, worth £4 million to £6 million each, were dotted with Remain posters. On the west side a sad-looking inter-war council block, Nottingwood House, which had dirty bricks and outside staircases and corridors. No posters there. But that is where my fellow campaigners and I headed — down to the basement entrances with their heavy steel gates. We looked up the names on the canvassing sheets and rang the bell of one flat after another until we found someone who would buzz us in. This was the hunting ground for the Leave campaign.
The referendum has revealed a great divide in Britain. According to YouGov polling, the overwhelming majority of university graduates — 70 per cent — have been for Remain. But among those with nothing above some GCSEs, a similarly big majority — 68 per cent — has been for Leave. The highest social classes have been for Remain (62 per cent). The lowest have been for Leave (63 per cent).
There has also been a city versus country divide. Parts of London have been well over 70 per cent for Remain, whereas country areas — particularly on the coast — have been for Leave.
Every election is divisive, but none has pitted rich against poor like this one. The social divide is far more dramatic than the divide between the two main political parties. In general elections, the professional and managerial classes favour the Tories by a margin of four to three. The difference is nothing like as marked as the social divide in the referendum vote. As a generalisation, the split has been between the educated ‘haves’ on one side and the working class on the other. The Remainers found ways of making this point — casting themselves as cosmopolitan and ‘open’ against the crude and (presumably) closed-minded Leavers.
Globalisation and large-scale immigration have affected different classes in contrasting ways
I came across quite a bit of scornful self-righteousness among the rich Remainers. In one street of private houses, a woman repeatedly shouted at us: ‘You’re all bonkers! Get out! You are not wanted here!’ A prosperous-looking man at the doorway of his private house informed us that immigration was a good thing and was economically necessary: the implication being that those who seek controlled immigration are both anti-immigrant and ignorant of the economics of the matter. His irritated parting shot was: ‘I hope you lose!’
The divide shows how changes brought about by globalisation and large-scale immigration have affected different classes in contrasting ways. For the ‘haves’, it has been a boon. The Notting Hill crowd now has cheap, highly qualified Polish builders, well-educated Polish cleaners and perhaps a Romanian nanny for their children. They go to Caffè Nero and are served by polite Italians. They feel deliciously international and open-minded while enjoying cheaper, better services than they otherwise would. When they arrive at Pisa airport for their holiday in Tuscany, they join the EU queue for passport control and feel part of a cosmopolitan club.
Without looking at the detail, the ‘haves’ readily believed the forecasts of the Treasury and others that leaving the EU would damage the economy. They looked down on Nigel Farage and thought how, by not being on his side, they demonstrated that they were not racists. They were global-minded, not Little Englanders.
One Remain poster suggested that to be for Remain was to be ‘kind’, ‘open’, ‘inclusive’ and ‘tolerant’ which, of course, implies the opposite about Leave. Yet some of the Remainers I met while out campaigning were anything but tolerant. After feeling their contempt a number of times, I got to the point of thinking: ‘Oh God! I hope we don’t have to knock on any more doors of the bloody haute bourgeoisie!’ I got far more grief from them than in the council blocks.
I offered car stickers to drivers at a junction, and soon worked out who the takers would be. There was no point bothering with Porsche Cayennes driven by elegant ladies. At the other end of the spectrum was Gladys, who I met at the door of her council house on Monday. She was reluctant at first to say which way she was voting. She got her council house in 1975 after two years waiting for it. But now she worries for her sons and grandchildren. How are they going to afford somewhere to live? The cost of mortgages just goes up and up, she said.
There is precious little chance of council housing. Immigrants have helped increase the demand while the supply has stagnated. So where are her grandchildren going to live? Her son was waiting in accident and emergency recently. Waiting and waiting. Ahead of him was someone for whom a translator had to be found. She didn’t want people to think she was a racist. But she evidently felt that this was her country and her family was being squeezed out of housing and having to jostle for care from an NHS that was overstretched, in part, by the large and sudden influx of immigrants. Getting the children into a good state school was also a problem.
Gladys was not xenophobic or racist. What bothers her isn’t immigration, as such, but the government’s inability to respond to immigration and the resulting shortage of housing and school and hospital places. The rich folk across the road could get round these problems. Hector and Harriet could go to a private school if necessary. If there was a two-week wait to see their NHS GP, they could go private. They have already got their own flat or house, which has gone up nicely in value, thank you very much.
I can’t help suspecting that part of the contempt of the ‘haves’ was fuelled by knowing ‘I’m all right, Jack!’ although, of course, they would never admit it. The European Union has worked out very well for them — and, to be honest, for me. And (knowing the demographics of those who read current affairs magazines) probably for you too. This is why it’s odd when David Cameron urges older voters to think of their grandchildren: they do that anyway. What he should be doing instead is asking wealthy voters to consider those who compete with immigrants for jobs: those who are heavily dependent on the welfare state for housing, healthcare and education.
There is no wallet-powered escape route for the working classes. They are trapped. Their lives are damaged. They are also the ones who have to compete with the Poles, Romanians, Croatians and so on for the low-paid jobs. The wages paid to those in skilled trades are down more than 10 per cent over the last six years. Again, this may be a net economic benefit, meaning lower prices, greater corporate profits and more tax on those profits. But we ought not to forget those for whom it means lower wages.
There is danger in all this. We have seen in Greece the rise of a far-left government. In Spain, there is a similar upsurge. In France, Marine Le Pen and the Front National are closer to power than at any time previously. In Britain, the anger of the ‘have-nots’ has so far been contained — probably because unemployment has been kept down. But it would only take mismanagement of welfare benefits and an excessively high national living wage to change that.
When David Cameron was re-elected last year, he committed himself to a ‘one-nation Conservatism’. And yet the campaign he has just led has shown up the divide in Britain, pitting one side against the other. Disraeli never used the phrase ‘one nation’, but in his novel Sybil he did refer to the two nations: the rich and the poor. Nations, he wrote, ‘between whom there is no intercourse and no sympathy; who are as ignorant of each other’s habits, thoughts and feelings, as if they were dwellers in different zones’. These are the two worlds I’ve seen on the campaign trail over the last few weeks.
We ought not to ignore, or sneer at, those who feel this process leaves them (and their families) behind. Soon, Britain’s £9 minimum wage will rise above the average wage in several EU countries, which will only attract more immigration And with that will come an increasing sense among the ‘have-nots’ that no one in power cares about what life is like for them. Britain is a divided nation and that should worry the elite a great deal more than it has so far.
James Bartholomew coined the term ‘virtue signalling’ in The Spectator and is the author of The Welfare State We’re In.
Baron
The Dark Tower
You raised questions on last week’s Wall prompted by Paul Craig Roberts’s assertions that the European Union is in origin a CIA racket – after we had become used to agreeing with the late Mr. Ridley that it was a German racket.
Now to the rescue in Zero Hedge today comes chapter and verse in support of Mr. Roberts’s position.
It may take a bite out of time allocated to the study of imperial Russian dwarf orgies and be too late for any good it may do in today’s battle but, leave or remain as the vote may go, I do not think that the question of British independence will be resolved today – some might say it is a battle that must always be renewed.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-22/who-european-movement-and-why-answer-may-change-how-you-vote-brexit
June 23 2016,whichever way the vote goes, will not be the end of the argument. At least it will be said that when we arrived at the Dark Tower, we blew the trumpet.
The problem with Mr Liddle’s analysis and comparison is that Muslim use of violence as an aspect of Islamic religio-political thinking is on a vastly greater scale, and with entirely greater authority than any of the musings of tiny, very tiny, neo-Nazi groups. Hundreds of thousands of the most vulnerable in the Middler East have suffered brutal violence, rape, slavery and death in the name of Islam in recent years and until the present. Where is the comparable violence from neo-Nazi groups, though any violence being instigated is equally to be condemned. People I have met, Christian leaders, have actually been killed, kidnapped, disappeared. This has been perpetrated by those holding to a particular and very popular form of Islam. A third of UK Muslim undergraduates believe that violence such as suicide bombings is legitimate in the name of Islam. What is the comparable number of Christian undergraduates who would sanction violence against the innocent in the name of Christianity? It must approach zero. And what proportion of undergraduates in the UK are neo-Nazis? Not a great many I would imagine.
This is the problem when even a single disturbed individual is found in a community, and then used to suggest that an otherwise relatively docile community is just the same as a very violent one. Does anyone suggest that neo-Nazis should not also be monitored by the authorities? But it is a fact that almost all the threat we face as a nation is not from the hands of neo-Nazis but from followers of a particular form of Islam that is hundreds of times more populous and therefore dangerous in the UK. Hundreds of terrorism trained Muslims have returned to the UK. How many terrosism trained neo-Nazis are in the UK? Each one individually is a threat but it is bogus to suggest that the combined threat is comparable.
I have always been happy to ban him. But others who have now said they cannot stand him have been among those insisting that he be allowed to post. And he has been fed, unceasingly, by those who should know better than to feed a troll.
So I guess I need to know who will leave if he is banned, even if this is temporarily as a trial and as a break for a few months. I would hope that no one will. Otherwise I am left with a choice that is not much of a choice. And which illustrates why the forces of conservatism are so weak.
Peter,
What would Mr. Boot do?
Please don’t trouble yourself on my account.
Many thanks.
EC, over and out.
I will stay . The opinions of posters here are too good to loose.
can you not have a script that makes tellytubbies posts appear in pink?
(He never engaged with going postal. clearly frit)
If its a leave result and politicians drag their feet i suggest a civil disobedience campaign. Just little things to make your point. Especially spamming MP’s inboxes. But I am sure we can all think of stuff to piss off the state apparatus.
I will continue reading, and occasionally posting, whether T. gets banned or not, it makes not the slightest difference to me. I never read anything he posts anyway, just scroll over it, and can’t see why others can’t do the same.
Will by staying up till at least 4.00 am tonight, but am feeling quite depressed at the way the polls have moved back in favour of the remainiacs. I expect to feel positively suicidal in the morning, but miracles do happen.
I voted Leave, but my husband, who originally was going to vote Remain, decided to vote Leave a couple of weeks ago, but today changed his mind and voted Remain after all. Traitor 🙂
sorry, the second paragraph should start “Will be staying up”.
lesley. go to bed early. set alarm for 2:30. nowt will happen before then
Lesley, whatever happens things won’t be the same. Separation has occurred and this cannot be brushed aside.
I will stay, and I hope that those who have left will return.
“In a twist worthy of a soap opera, just minutes after Sky and the major newswires reported that Nigel Farage said “looks like Remain will edge it”, a Nigel Farage spokesman told Bloomberg that “he never conceded. He looked at the prevailing weather and was honest. We’re not saying it’s over. We haven’t had a single bloody vote counted”, even as just moments later, wires reported that Nigel Farage told the Press Association he thinks Britain has voted to stay in the European Union based on “what I know from some of my friends in the financial markets who have done some big polling”.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-23/farage-denies-conceding-we-havent-had-single-bloody-vote-counted-sp-futures-spike-10
This false story that Nigel Farage conceded within seconds of the polls closing, and featuring as the headline in the Mail online inter alios, has the same scent about it as the lie that Ted Cruz spread about Ben Carson conceding in the Republican nomination race when he had not. The same mindset operates among these people from London to Los Angeles.
Then I had to make a couple of conference calls. When I came back to Zero Hedge a bit later, the following was the new first story:
“Update… The Sunderland results are in and it’s a Leave tsunami with Leave crushing Remain in a 61% to 39% vote
Remain: 51,930, or 39%
Leave 82,394, or 61%”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-23/nailbiter-continues-here-are-first-official-results-and-they-give-bremain-some-hope
It’s those damn Little Englanders again!
I point you to the twitter page of Britain Elects for the latest updates.
https://twitter.com/britainelects
Thanks!
What ever happens we must now demand equality.
We must demand that transgender employees of the BBC be about 50% ant-EU.
We must demand that about 50% of all one-parent-Black Lesbians at the BBC be ant-EU.
England and Wales (which is one legal entity ) so far going Leave.
It will be interesting to see how Batley and Spen go.
At the last election it was Jo Cox 43.2%/Con 31.2%/UKIP 18%.
Bill Cash : “Article 50 is from one of the EU Treaties . If we have voted against the EU why would we want to implement that ?
Nottingham:61 thousand + to Leave / 59 thousand +to Remain.
So how is it for Ken Clarke down in Rushcliffe?
Bunch of darkies vote to keep their cousins out of the county.Maybe they know something;or maybe they is stupid.
Tower Hamlets: Leave 32.5%
Whatever the result – and it’s looking good for us – England won!
As a postscript, Fuck Scotland and Fuck Gibraltar – let Yurrop have the former and Spain have the latter. Traitorous arseholes.
BBC raises white flag….surrender imminent.
This comment item is fuelled by a bottle of Manzanilla from Jerez De La Frontera,Cadiz (via Asda;which is near the polling station) along with an English Pork Pie and a Black Pudding. I’ve nothing against free and fair trade between nations.
98% Aryan area of Rushcliffe (Ken Clarke’s fief) is 57.6% Remain.
Middle of the day here, middle of the night in the UK and I’m starting to celebrate. The utter delight of watching the BBC lefties and their assembled leftards and regressives facing a growing realisation that the little people have spoken, that they don’t give a flying fuck about the elite and those who consider themselves their betters and have voted to stick two fingers up to the EU.
Dimbledore can’t wipe the shock of his usually-smug visage. Worst of all is the recognition that Farage was right all along. Fuck ’em; fuck the elite, the Notting Hill set, the socialists of the left and the right. The oily Vaz has just woken up to the fact he is wrong, that democracy is not what he thinks it is, it’s what the public decide. Every single remain MP should now resign and slink away from public life. The BBC should be cleaned like the Augean stables with all the lefties like Izzard flushed down the drains like the shits they are.
Oh happy day!
(Oh, and fuck you teletubby, Gibralter and the Scots)
Through-out Notts. (except Rushcliffe) vote is to Leave ;especially in the old industrial areas where there is around 70% to Leave.
… and btw CMD and Boy George – clear yer fuckin’ desks. Security will see you out!
Kirklees (the nearest we can get to Jo Cox’s constituency) :Leave 54.7% /Remain 45.3%.
BREXIT!!!!
How do you like them apples, Tetley?
What a night.
We have driven a stake into the rotten heart of the Vampire.
So what’s going to happen now, is London going to announce Independence from England .
Get ready for the buts.
What’s Cameron doing at the moment?
I suspect he’s locked in the loo in No 10, pulling one toilet roll after another out of the fridge.
As for Brussels. Recession time. Salaries and pensions cut.
Time to appoint Nigel as the British negotiator-after he receives his Dukedom for saving England and Britain.
Are we looking at a re-united Kingdom, with Ireland having its own devolved Parliament?
22/23 June 1941.First Secretary ,Comrade Stalin,disappeared into the depths of the Kremlin after finding he had been spurned by the only man he had ever trusted.(See Operation Barbarossa).
There may be some kind of message there.
`The Times` has removed its paywall for today.
Well done, boys, have one o n Baron.
Time to make the traditional presentation to Cameron :a bottle of whisky and a revolver with one bullet in the chamber.
Put two in , he might miss with the first.
Scotland knows where the money trees grow.
G O A L !!!
That’s England & Wales 3 Germany 0
I’d like to think that Winston Churchill is lighting up one of his La Palma a cigars in heaven this morning!
We now ought to talk to Spain about handing over Gibraltar.
Cameron has resigned !……..No he hasn’t ! He will go by October,he says.
Parliament must make it clear to the EU that anything Cameron agrees may not be honoured – he only speaks for vested interests, not the British people (& I’m an Aussie and even I can see that)
As Frank has posted, so will I.
I’m sober about this result. Although I’m happy with the result I was disappointed that the gap between Leave and Remain was not greater. It is a worry that so many people appear to have swallowed “progressive” propaganda and hold so cheaply the self-determination and sovereignty of the country that they choose to live in. There is a bloc of unelected left wing movers and shakers in Britain who have a strong hold on the public narrative and who have still not had their wings clipped after six years of non-Labour governments.
I’m disappointed that Cameron has not invoked Article 50 immediately as promised and that as a PM who has already given himself notice he plans to begin preliminary negotiations with the EU. The 3 month hiatus Cameron has engineered feels very much like Gordon Brown’s attempt to delay the result of the GE in 2010. After Cameron’s forcefully partisan position to Remain negotiations should have been entrusted to Leave politicians from the outset. It is they who now represent the will of the British people. It concerns me that Cameron will be negotiating as a loser and a man on his way out. The fresh breeze of new leadership should be blowing across the negotiating table.
C M 10.08
Absolutely , no one who supported remain should have anything to do with exit negotiations
Colonel Mustard 10:08.
I agree. As I said earlier, he should have cleared his desk forthwith — under suoervision – and Georgie Boy, too. Those two twats conniving for the next three months could undo much of tbe good achieved yesterday.
Yesterday was jacks for openers. There’s an awful lot of poker to be played and remember who holds the marked cards. Remember what Junker said, “Deserters will be punished.”
The economy will sort itself, the gnomes of Zurich will just use another set of books, but the politics is poisonous and we ain’t seen nothing yet.
As for Cameron’s replacement, that mad cow Nicky Morgan just threw her hat into the ring. DMAFF!!
Nigel should lead a new party and call it the Brexit Party. It’s already a winner. 🙂
But let’s give ourselves a break and spend a day or two in semi-EUphoria.
Haven’t felt as good about an election result since Winnie made a comeback and ousted Clem Attlee. A real tonic and just what the doctor ordered.
June 24th, 2016 The Donald jets IN, Dave fizzles OUT.
It is the first day of the rest of our lives!
The Third World War hasn’t started yet, though Project Fear is still lingering around those who haven’t yet realised just what a dreadful situation we have ended up in, and from which we are now able to be set free. Most young people have only have known the EU and we have all been exposed to its insidious agenda for over 40 years, like the Jean Monnet Programme and the Erasmus Project, and paid for by us!
Cameron has done the ‘right thing’, but it isn’t what he said he would do, so many will have to deal with two shocks: it will take time.
I have heard from people interviewed on the radio that we need to be in the EU so they can travel and work abroad (like those from Australia and Brazil?) and from a Remain MP who thinks that his job is to ensure schools and hospitals run smoothly – he should be in local government, not national government! The good news, though, is that Boris, Gove, and even Cameron, have given good, measured, inspiring speeches, so I think things are looking up. (Though the BBC did describe Boris’s speech as his first campaign speech to be PM, someone considered as a joker: typical BBC, missing today’s national topic in their eagerness to ‘move along there, nothing to see and savour’.)
Although much needs to be reassessed behind the scenes in the short term, a cooling of period would benefit everyone, if only so that those in rEU, and its provencies 🙂 , can also reconsider their positions. The World is different today, and for the better, and it has been done with little bloodshed.
On the night Cameron became Tory leader, I seem to remember that the explanation given was that he persuaded many Tory MPs that he was Eurosceptic but, in spite of careful monitoring, I haven’t seen any evidence of it. Cameron’s (and Osborne’s) Project Fear only adds to the evidence that he has always been a Remainer.
That was his first mistake, especially with a Eurosceptic nation, even after Project Fear, backed up by state resources and international ‘experts’, (though many of those have been counterproductive 🙂 ). So many who should have understood how important having an elected government that obeys its own laws have buckled under the pressure and are now tainted by it. Fed up with Elitism, it was the peoples last chance to escape; everyone from Cameron, Schulz and Juncker made it that very clear. Did Cameron have any idea how much the Elity would harm his campaign? 🙂
I still cannot understand the MPs, (especially those who have come to live in Britain), who are elected to form our government, to govern us, to declare that they will give up the powers that we have temporarily given them and give them to a bunch of stateless, unelected, political bureaucrats that have, to put it diplomatically, no interest in our well being, now or in the future. So bravo to Gisela Stuart MP 🙂
I have been busy elsewhere 🙂 helping to make the voice of the people heard, which is partly why I haven’t been posting here. And those voices have been heard. The voices of unreality have been drowned out by those who live in the real world. What we need is a discussion, with Brexit accepted, on how we move forward on our international relationships with all countries, including Europe! We need to ensure that honest questions are heard and answered, while saboteurs are dealt with swiftly. Something I hope will occur on the BBC, and here!
Let us just remember, with the help of the Daily Express, some of what David Cameron didn’t achieve:
1. Bring law making powers back to Britain
2. No more powers to Brussels without a referendum
3. Reform the European Court of Human Rights
4. Treaty change before the referendum
5. End EU laws that are damaging to the NHS
6. Not paying the £1.7billion bill
7. Secure and sustainable immigration
And the four big EU/Project Fear lies:
1. Talks with Turkey will start in days
2. Brexit WON’T spark trade war say Germans
3. Brussels will NOT reform on open borders
4. Deportation of jobless EU migrants is a myth
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/682516/EU-referendum-Brexit-Jean-Claude-Juncker-David-Cameron-vote-leave
Until these sink in, discussion will not be productive.
Radford NG – 07:01
You forgot Osborne!
Colonel Mustard – 10:08
As Project Fear fades, the Remainers will hopefully realise how they were duped. I was in 1975, when nothing was said about the CFP.
A cooling off period is required, and time is needed to decide whether invoking Article 50 is the best course of action. Remember, there has been no known state resources investigating this option before today.
John birch – 10:32
“Absolutely , no one who supported remain should have anything to do with exit negotiations”
You have to find them first! 🙂
Are there any in Whitehall? 🙂
Peter, Are you accepting money? 🙂
I get this error message when I click on the Donate button:
This recipient is currently unable to receive money.
I felt that Sturgeon’s decision to declare UDI for Scotland in front of the EU and Scottish flags without a Union Jack in sight was appalling. She hasn’t had her second referendum yet and the current democratic will of the Scottish people is to remain part of the UK.
Her offensive action insults both the democratic will of the people of the UK and the people of Scotland who voted to remain part of the UK.
Her decision to mention Sadiq Khan as joining her in her maverick discussions with the EU on behalf of a UDI London was also preposterous.
I am very pleased about Leave vote.
No idea why the result up here, in Scotland, was so strongly for Remain but still a large number of us voted Leave too.
Being British is still an important concept here. However, were my fellow-Scots to choose a future Scotland being a tiny part of the EU, then hell mend us.
On question of having comments from Telemachus etc. banned, I’d prefer not: I believe in free speech and like to hear and cogitate on views of those with whom I disagree.
RobertRetyred at 12.23.
The pay link has not been active for some time.
At my prompting `telemacus`posted that he had not been able to make a payment via a money-shop,where payment can be made in cash over the counter.
My heart is in my mouth! I am on tenterhooks! My curiosity is killing cats left right and centre!
Can nobody tell me what Jo would have thought about all!
Jo who . . . . . . . . . ? Yeah, that Jo.
I had a run in over Brexit in HSBC this afternoon. I knew the result because a Swedish friend sent a text message saying Sweden would miss me.
In the bank, this big old guy with long white hair asked me where I was from. I said ‘England’ and he made some comment about the falling pound and how I would be losing money now.
I asked him where HE was from and he said ‘Holland’.
I responded, perhaps injudiciously, that I thought that Holland was now part of Germany.
He got very shirty at this point, not seeming to appreciate that I was simply pointing out my understanding that the ever closer union, in which he was presumably a believer, was proceeding apace in his neck of the woods.
I wished him ‘Aufwiedersehen’ and left.
Actually, my comment to him on the falling pound was that a few points off the spot rate was a small price to pay for freedom.
No doubt though the EU will be changing the price labels on another few items very shortly.
Well done Sir Nigel Farage!
Well done Wallsters!
Irishboy at 15.25.
The nearest we can get to Jo Cox’s Parliamentary constituency is Kirklees. The vote was 54.7% Leave ;45.3% Remain.
Jo Cox’s election result was : Labour 43.2%/Con 31.2%/UKIP 18%.
Congratulations !
Now let’s hope you will be allowed to go. Is the Big State going to give up so easily … ?
postergirl
No, but it is time for the New World Order to join the FU.
Mine at 15.42.
The `Islamic Republic of Dewsbury`is part of Kirklees.
Luton (home of Tommy Robinson) voted 56% Leave.
Tommy Robinson reports : Home Office have taken my passport until after the Euro Championships….Harder for me to watch Euro matches then for (Isal) trained jihadis to return to UK.
Colonel Mustard 10.08
I’m not convinced that the immediate invocation of Article 50 is the best course of action.
The UK does not currently have an effective leader and negotiation team assembled and in place to understand, represent and articulate our initial position and negotiate our goals and requirements. Though it should not be so that is the position. The Leave result was not expected and we are not currently prepared for it.
Immediate discussions with the EU seem to be the obvious course but a wider perspective is required: negotiations first need to be conducted from a global, international perspective.
Should we not consider; for example, friendly overtures to Ireland for a preferential trade agreement, with a view to possibly, leading even to political reunion? It would cost little to match or better the benefist Ireland currently obtains from the EU and could force demands for an Irish referendum, which would be a delightful complication for the EU.
Similarly we have bridges to mend with the US, and Donald Trumphas offered an olive branch which should be taken up. Discussions with Holland, Denmark and Sweden concerning the reactivation of EFTA should be inaugurated. The re-establishment of friendly trade and business arrangements with Russia would similarly strengthen our hand with the EU.
As to the EU itself, in particular a bellicose France and Germany, time will exacerbate their problems. They wish to reach a rapid settlement, but the status quo will work to our and not to their advantage as the Eurozone and other problems intensify.
In summary, a clear leader, direction and strategy need to be developed. And most importantly our Parliament needs to emerge from the dark of political dependency to cold, clear thought; and like Palmerston and Sir Francis Bacon, the identification, implementation and achievement of our national interests.
This process need not take long, but it is necessary, indeed essential. What I fear is that the precious time required before Cameron departs to prepare for negotiations will be wasted in securing the parochial interests of the Conservative party, and its febrile grip on power, rather than the essential interests of our nation.
Radford NG – 06:46 ‘Free Times’
Thanks for the information, but I don’t think it was worth the zero purchase price. 🙂 At least I know not to subscribe, with …
Philip Aldrick: Britain has just committed an act of self-harm.
Matthew Parris: Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Iain Duncan-Smith, propped up by Nigel Farage, are not viable as a new British government. They just aren’t.
Philip Collins: It will take an age to recover from this victory for the exit fantasists
They must have been Remainians or Remaniacs: and it looks like they still are!
Kinnock the Younger has just stated that he will support a “no confidence” motion against Jezza next week. So Kinnoch II now becomes a prospect. An everlasting dose of the kinnocks? Ugggh!
Tony Blair appeared on Fox this morning and slagged of Britain for five minutes before the early mornimg crew cut him off to cover Trump’s press conference at Turnberry, which was a measured masterpiece of diplomacy and his most ‘presidential’ performance so far.
Blair really is a traitor. It’s time the Chilcot Report was released and his boat race pummelled by a couple of hard copies of it. The man is a slug.
Noa – 16:34
Very sensible musings! ‘Political reunion’ might be a phrase too far, but we end up bailing out Ireland anyway (even giving them three points when they most need it!), as we own quite a lot of their businesses and we pay the medical expenses of any S. Irish in Ireland, if they have enough connection with Britain: it’s either National Insurance or pension payments, I think, so it would be sensible to start formalising a loose arrangement and possibly incorporate it into a reconfigured E,W,S and NI.
It doesn’t have to be linked with our Brexit negotiations, either.
We are now in unplanned territory because Cameron and the Posh Boy Mob didn’t expect to lose. 🙂
Usually a political party campaigns for a set of policies and, once in power, implements them, so the policy and its implementors are inextricably linked. Cameron thought he could throw a Brexit bone to wavering Tories before the last election, and still win the referendum, especially by delaying his party’s MPs from campaigning, keeping the negotiations secret for as long as possible, and running Project Fear, which meant that all the normal experts were out of reach from the Brexit team.
I think all the flavours of Brexit did a marvellous job: from every political corner of the political spectrum they appeared and fought their own battles, many at different times of the campaign, yet their was a unity of purpose and a unity of message. I suppose it wasn’t that difficult when that was the reality. 🙂
The Brexiters could only respond to the PM of the day, backed up by the Civil Service and the BBC, on an ad hoc basis because so little of the initial conditions were known, so any lack of continuity or unpreparedness for the post-vote process must be laid at Cameron’s door.
If truth be known, I don’t think much has been prepared, so a pause would be well worth the wait. it would also annoy the French, so win-win! 🙂
Noa – 16:34
Good points, but I think that Cameron has to go sooner than later. He shouldn’t be allowed to dictate the timetable for his departure. No “Remainer” should be allowed to apply. How could they be trusted with the job negotiating our exit? I bet Theresa May wishes she hadn’t pissed on her chips now. 🙂
Robert Retyred – 16:42
Matthew Parris is not the gay, humourous chap he once was when he was employed as The Times’ Commons sketch writer. He’s turned into something of a waspish, bitter old queen of late. His partner just losing his job as CMD’s speech writer can’t have improved his mood much either. 🙂
Andy Carpark
Schadenfreude: I’m sure that the tiny tears shed by SamCam outside No.10 this morning were a drop in the ocean compared to those shed by Dave’s backroom boy, Daniel Krapski. Hopefully he will have been awarded a DCM today. (i.e. Don’t Come Monday)
🙂
Brexit: WBGTDWI? might now take on a dual connotation.
Redford N G
Thank you for that. Pity that in tribute our Jo and the democratic process, that her constituents are being denied any actual democracy in the coming by-election.
But no matter. As Ayn Rand said, you can ignore reality but you can’t ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.
And in case some of you didn’t come across this, it’s worth watching. Especially to see a podgy, self-satisfied, smug, arrogant cnut of a Tory Prime Minister having to suck it up whilst a wholly superior intellectual dynamo shows him what a real politician is made of!
Deja-vu all over again!
https://youtu.be/gHIidBgwyTA
Robertretyred- Thanks for your thoughts. Indeed Cameron got it arse over tit, but he’s a shambolic, rambling character.
EC- agreed. Weepy, wimp boy Cameron should go now. Green miles and dead men walking come to mind and the country deserves a live ‘helmsman’, as Mao said.
As for Krapski, succession to Jessa’s bullsh*t provider calls
Noa –
It’s nearly 11 a.m. here in western Canada & according to my computer, a few minutes ago, Cameron has actually, for real, resigned.
Noa –
Further Internet searching casts doubt on Cameron’s “resignation”.
In my opinion, instead of making a speech outside 10 Downing Street, it was his duty to go to the Queen, submit his resignation, and then leave it to the Queen to send for some other M.P. (Boris Johnson would be as good a choice as any) and ask him whether he can form a government.
“I’m no longer the right man to lead the country so I’m I’m going, but not until October.”?
To my mind, that usurps the Queen’s prerogative.
Constitutional crisis anybody?
Redneck – 1247
I think the Scots are more fimly affixed to the public teat than any other part of the UK. They are weaned on free stuff and think they’ll get more if they are in the EU. They’re too stupid to realise that only the English fund free stuff for them (or perhaps they’re not stupid at all, just grasping) and if the end up in the EUSSR in their own right, they’ll be providing the free stuff for the likes of Turkey.
Build a bloody great wall, dig a deep ditch and send them on their way. England has a second chance to be rid of the mean-spirited and resentful buggers, don’t waste this one by persuading them to stay. Let wee Jimmy Kranki lead them off to oblivion.
Can anybody remind me how motions of no confidence in the government can be initiated in these circumstances, if at all, under the Fixed Term Act?
Clear Memories,
Absolutely, let’s get started on rebuilding Hadrian’s Wall, and no foreign aid for the Scots, or for anyone else for that matter.
The Spectator is in praise of the boy, well, why not, but they’re missing it.
One shouldn’t kick a man who’s done, but said it must be. The boy lost because he has no spine.
The most recent example:
After he failed to secure what he wanted in his rounds of negotiations, he should have done what he said he would do before the talking began – recommend brexit. If he did, he would be today closer to the room that houses the best of the PMs this country has produced in her illustrious history, the brexiters would have won by far bigger margin, the country would have been more united, the Tories would have gilded him after the vote, adorned him more than Margaret.
He didn’t, became toast.
Herbert Thornton
“Constitutional crisis anybody?”
There speaks the lawyer!
Yes, I’m in agreement wit your assessment. Modern politicians, even or especially ones like Cameron, who are subservient to the wishes of their Party grandees, do make the impertinent liberty of assuming that “L’etat? Ce moi!”
Erskine May will be spinning…
I for one would derive great pleasure if it came back to make David Cameron wipe the glycerine off his flabby cheeks.
Which image in turn causes me to regret that the sharp wit and acidic analysis of Verity are no longer present to grace, inform and enliven the Wall’s observation.
To absent friends, but especially Verity.
(Apologies for not joining the wait, the lively debate after it, the barbarian was stuck in one of the outfits that delivers heath to the poorly).
Isn’t it nice that Frank and the Colonel, and EC together with Noa have re-joined the pack, even if temporarily?
Still, an immediate reminder to one of the barbarian beliefs:
Te ‘healthy core of Englishness’ seems to be around, has spoken, just in the nick of time. Yup, it was Englishness because London, now virtually a foreign city, The Scotts, The Irish have voted against brexit.
If the political class truly had the future of Britain in mind, they would let the same core to sort out the mess that Westminster has become whilst the Brussels unelected apparatchiks were in charge.
Irishboy 17.40
I understand that Jack Buckby of Liberty UK, an interesting and forthright character, (see their website for some interesting videos by him), shares you and my view of the Kirklees by-election deficit and intends to contest the seat.
They are appealing for the necessary funds and I intend to bung a contribution, especially if Pixie Ball-Cooper’s other half is the chosen shoo-in.
With Cameron nearly gone it could be entirely possible that his successor could decide to contest the seat and remedy the democratic deficit. In turn UKIP might then decide to stand.
Noa @ 23:28
To absent frieds, Noa.
Seconded, in a hope she may be watching it all, sipping a cup of tea (something stronger?), having a quiet chuckle.
Hard to digest all, even some of what’s being said, but the barbarian doesn’t much like the idea the current crew should be in charge until the Tory Autumn conference.
They’ve nailed their remain colours to the mast, could one trust them not to sabotage the process of withdrawing from the undemocratic construct? The booing of Boris by a bunch of Notting Hill bikers suggests the remainers, instead of accepting gracefully the verdict of the people, may be determined to work against it. We may well find others, like business, investors, the Soroses of this world joining in more surreptitiously, the months ahead may indeed turn into a series of small disasters blown up by the MSM into unimaginable catastrophes, come the Autumn, MPs may still be debating the exit, and it is they who have the final say. Boris & co should be be aware of this, the bunch of the anointed is capable of it, just look how they milked the sickening murder of the MP.
Baron 23.26.
An excellent assessment indeed eulogy of the narcissistic Cameron; who in choosing his priorities has always steadfastly placed himself before the nation.
How we shall miss the peevish puckering of that hens arse, that momentary stillness preparatory to the wobbling lips delivering another cobbled-together miscellany of partially digested Korkski’s best corn feed.
Baron – 23:26
I had included a 0.001% chance that he would return from the renegotiations and announce Brexit, but alas, even that proved to be an over optimistic value. 🙂
Herbert Thornton – 19:59
Is CMD following Michael Howard’s plan, to allow for some jockeying for position before firing the starter pistol? That brought CMD foward, at the expense of Davis.
I think CMD stretching his No.10 occupation to October is over shadowed by Juncker, Hollande, Merel, Tusk, etc, etc demanding that he leaves immediately. What a bunch of wasters! CMD should say he will be out before they fix the Greek problem. 🙂 The result was a shock to many and only happened earlier today (Friday), and we have a weekend ahead of us.
I think October is too far into the future, but the party needs to progress under its own steam, not under pressure from the Euro-Elite.
A confession to make – the barbarian was expecting a bigger gap, everyone he talked to before the count said he was mad, ‘few thousands if we’re lucky’ was the most common answer. Still, well over one million difference ain’t bad, one mustn’t be greedy what with the years of brainwashing, broken promises, the cunning of the anointed.
The last thought before he turns in, stops boring you:
In the hospital someone cut a piece from a newspaper (impossible to say which, no indication of it, it was around, Baron only glanced at it) that said euthanasia should be a human right.
Sorry to tell you about it, but doesn’t it make you feel good about today’s ‘humanity’?
Baron – 23:57
I think (hope ?) many Remainers will see that the sky hasn’t fallen in: they will be able to have holidays in the sun and go skiing, and WWIII hasn’t started, yet!
I think not being in the EU, and specifying what we do sign up to, rather than withdrawing, and only specifying what we are not signed up to, is key.
Here is Paul Joseph Watson’s personal view of the Brexit vote,expressed provocatively with a Union Jack as background, which he argues is ‘a complete rejection of the political establishment after months of endless fear-mongering and propaganda’. But ‘don’t expect the political class to take this lying down’, he says, and continues with some thoughts on what the political class will now do in response:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XKJ2mcdVmQ
“Banks Had Largest Gold Short Positions In History Heading Into Brexit As “Leave” Vote Sent Gold Skyrocketing”
(King World News)
A stray comment by a Northern Ireland voter going to the Polling Station and caught on Newsnight:
“… I couldn’t wait to get in, to get out…”
Baron. 23.49
As in business so in politics. The day’s victory enjoyed. The work now starts to ensure its effective delivery. Observing how the temporary alliances on this great issue between MPs of different parties in both camps have already dissolved back to the traditional dead party lines, Peter Hitchens echoes many of your thoughts, here:
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2016/06/first-thoughts-on-the-referendum-result.html
Already the backsliding has started by lukewarm Leavers. Bothe Chris Grayling, on TV today and Dan Hannan on Newsnight, virtually reneged on one of the two key issues upon which the Referendum was determined, namely immigration, (the other being Parliamentary sovereignty), by saying that the principle of freedom of movement for EU citizens would be retained, albeit with some controls. It is hardly
an auspicious precursor to the commencement of negotiations of such moment, even by two people who are unlikely to be allowed participate in them.
Whilst his comments echoed mine above on the need for the appointment of a leader and clear objectives before negotiations, Tony Blair’s former CofS also pointed out on Newsnight that Boris Johnson has previously mooted the possibility of a second referendum following the completion of negotiations. An option which would at least have the dubious merit of taking, however temporarily, the strident wind out of Sturgeon’s sails. Hannan’s rebuttal sadly lacked real conviction.
It appears that the Conservative Leavers were such by convenience rather than conviction; that they were appointees to preserve the debate from UKIP’s contagion and a domestic disagreement to be resolved by arbitration.
We will see in the future whether, as I suspect will happen, that the resulting negotiations are to be conceded almost before commencement; their results to be sufficiently mellowed to a hideous blandness acceptable to vociferous Remainers and vengeful European politicians. The opportunity to address the existential threat of mass migration to our sovereignty lost in a codicil to a sub clause in an appendix to the final Treaty.
Finally, it has been fascinating to watch the re-alignment of views, the careers now broken, or finally interred, those energised or re-woken, the old friends betrayed, the new allies forming.
It is as though a light has suddenly been switched on in the cellar of Westminster; caught momentarily in its light; the various species of Blattodea are frozen in their various activities, to vanish almost instantly back under the long forgotten barrels.
Baron. 23.49
As in business so in politics. The day’s victory enjoyed. The work now starts to ensure its effective delivery. Observing how the temporary alliances on this great issue between MPs of different parties in both camps have already dissolved back to the traditional dead party lines, Peter Hitchens echoes many of your thoughts, here:
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2016/06/first-thoughts-on-the-referendum-result.html
Already the backsliding has started by lukewarm Leavers. Bothe Chris Grayling, on TV today and Dan Hannan on Newsnight, virtually reneged on one of the two key issues upon which the Referendum was determined, namely immigration, (the other being Parliamentary sovereignty), by saying that the principle of freedom of movement for EU citizens would be retained, albeit with some controls. It is hardly
an auspicious precursor to the commencement of negotiations of such moment, even by two people who are unlikely to be allowed participate in them.
Whilst his comments echoed mine above on the need for the appointment of a leader and clear objectives before negotiations, Tony Blair’s former CofS also pointed out on Newsnight that Boris Johnson has previously mooted the possibility of a second referendum following the completion of negotiations. An option which would at least have the dubious merit of taking, however temporarily, the strident wind out of Sturgeon’s sails. Hannan’s rebuttal sadly lacked real conviction.
It appears that the Conservative Leavers were such by convenience rather than conviction; that they were appointees to preserve the debate from UKIP’s contagion and a domestic disagreement to be resolved by arbitration.
We will see in the future whether, as I suspect will happen, that the resulting negotiations are to be conceded almost before commencement; their results to be sufficiently mellowed to a hideous blandness acceptable to vociferous Remainers and vengeful European politicians. The opportunity to address the existential threat of mass migration to our sovereignty lost in a codicil to a sub clause in an appendix to the final Treaty.
Finally, it has been fascinating to watch the re-alignment of views, the careers now broken, or finally interred, those energised or re-woken, the old friends betrayed, the new allies forming.
It is as though a light has suddenly been switched on in the cellar of Westminster; caught momentarily in its light; the various species of Blattodea are frozen in their various activities, to vanish almost instantly, back under the long forgotten barrels.
LONDON/BERLIN (Own report) – The British people’s vote yesterday to
take their country out of the EU is shaking up the EU, and Berlin’s
plans to use the EU for its own hegemonic policies. With a 72 percent
turnout, 52 percent of the British voters opted to wave good-bye to
the EU. This vote has a major impact on Berlin, not only because
Europe’s second largest economy – after Germany’s – and a prominent
military power will be leaving the EU and therefore no longer be
available for German hegemonic policies imposed via the EU. It also
can lead to a domino effect. Calls for referendums are being raised in
other EU member countries. In several member countries, the EU’s
growing unpopularity is reinforcing centrifugal forces. The Swedish
foreign minister has explicitly warned of a “spill-over effect” that
could lead to a Swedish EU exit. In the German media, demands are
being raised to simply ignore the referendum and let the British
parliament vote in favor of remaining in the EU. Berlin has already
begun reinforcing its national positions – independent of the EU.
more
http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/58952
THE ALEX JONES SHOW (1ST HOUR) CELEBRATES OUR INDEPENDENCE DAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_fVvl1j4hA
THE ALEX JONES SHOW (2ND HOUR) CELEBRATES OUR INDEPENDENCE DAY
.The final minutes of the interview with Roger Stone which began in the 1st Hour.
.Paul Joseph Watson from London – Brexit is a victory in a political war that must continue to be fought.
.Dr. Steve Pieczenik – why Brexit is a major revolution for America and the world and why there is nothing to fear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=c5fed218-4039-470e-97b0-5a16cc4699bb&feature=cards&src_vid=k_fVvl1j4hA&v=MOrwb5H7bVU
Trying to post a response to Noa at 01.41, this is what the barbarian gets:
A potentially unsafe operation has been detected in your request to this site.
(The fifth attempt without the FT address):
Noa @ 01:41
Excellent précis of the current stalemate, Noa.
The mind more than boggles when one considers the enormity of the task facing the political classes both here, and on the Continent, (and over in the White House) i.e. the working out of a new relationship between the world 4th largest economic entity held down on both budget and trade deficits, and the chastised EU, controlled tightly by Mutti presiding over the largest ever German current account surplus, as well a massive budget surplus this year. The barbarian mentions money as the single descriptive feature of the face-off because, whether you like it or not, as ever, it all boils down to money, the power that furnished a greater range of options.
But, and that may be an equally tough nut to crack, there also are the implications for the individuals who’ve been feasting at the EU trough (Nigel’s there, too). Hence the nibbling at the edges of the out decision already by the likes of Hannan, others.
Still, without going deep into it (no time anyway), it may well turn out that whatever we, the British, get out of the new status quo will turn out to be not that different from what we would have had had we remained except for one key thing: when all said and done, it will be the House, who will have the final say what goes and what doesn’t, and we, the people, will be able to either cast a vote for them, or not. No more Commissars telling us to digest the right shape of bananas. (Not that the election process, or rather its parts i.e. the selection, the FPTP, the rest of it are without the need of repair, but that’s a task for another day ((for the ‘healthy core of Englishness’)).
A quick explain: if you need the data for current account (trade plus services), budget status google FT and the headings. For some reason it was impossible to post with the url attached.
Malfleur @ 05:03
Does Alex do summaries of the marathon talks, Malfleur, these would sell like hot cakes.
Don’t know where telly is. Banned or gone shy ???
If banned I apologise for this cut and paste from the spectator comments.
telemachus Cecelia O’brien
3 hours ago
What sticks in my craw is the hubris * It started with racist Farage in the wee small hours * And now Islamophobe Douglas * My worst fears were confirmed by the newscasts yesterday when they wheeled out epsilon minus males in the street ”It was the immigrants that swung my vote, the Muslims”
We are now ruled by the likes of the evil Gove backed by Milwall supporters
*
The strong backing of the result by Donald Trump demonstrates the moral degeneracy of the events of the last 48 hours
rtj1211 telemachus
13 minutes ago
Any time people do something you profoundly disagree with they have to be moral degenerates, do they?
What are we allowed to call you when your lot do things we profoundly disagree with?
A pig-ignorant, bullshitting, patronising, paternalistic group of self-aggrandising petit bourgeois snobs??
If he’s banned I promise I won’t do it again.
Paypal have put my account into a locked state while I prove who I am again after about 10 years. I shall hopefully do that early this week.
Alistair Campbell down with the kids, declares Leave campaign a breach of contract because it was all lies (supreme irony there as well as jumping the gun), adding yet another layer of shame to himself. They smell the scent of grievance and disorder like hyenas and out they come in packs.
Noa June 24th, 2016 – 16:34
It would be impolite not to respond. Yes, good points and you may be right but I’d be more inclined to relax about 3 months of preliminary negotiations if they were in the hands of a new Leave team rather than the ‘dead men walking’ of the government’s Remain rearguard.
Cannot suppress the suspicion that there is the hope of some kind of Europhile brinkmanship and deal, especially with Farage banished, Johnson and Gove pledging no coup and Hannan back-pedalling on immigration. 3 months of festering hangover in which Labour can produce the usual spanner engraved ‘Party Political Advantage’ and the empowered elite can reflect on and undermine the Leave win. That has already started with wall to wall BBC and media doom and gloom, inciting huge dollops of outrageous ageism and classism which ought to be laughable when considered by sentient beings but is lapped up by kidults and the media idiocracy.
A very strong, principled and determined leader is required to give the mob a whiff of much overdue grapeshot. The anti-democrats should be purged and put out to grass. Instead we face a weak rump government beset by the leftist collective. Watch Labour and the SNP find common cause in Westminster as they re-invent themselves as the saviours of the EU and the friends of British yoof, whose future has been so dastardly stolen by old white racist men.
John birch June 25th, 2016 – 08:09
Would never have imagined that Millwall could muster 17 million supporters. One lives and learns.
Baron June 24th, 2016 – 23:33
Thank you. I’m feeling a bit conflicted now. I hope Frank returns because I enjoy it when he gives the reds both barrels of well deserved invective.
I’m sure the troll will return too because guerilla fashion he likes to choose when and how, provoke a reaction then depart. Anyone who thinks that is commenting and offering an alternative viewpoint has my sympathy, but I am guilty of feeding him when he does. Mea culpa.
Baron @ 07:42
I think I have hinted previously: you don’t have to watch it and if you start to, you don’t have to watch ALL of it. It is there to the extent that the Wall is a kind of alternative media pf record in the fight against the Remainers and all their works. Some, if few, may be secretly watching and becoming addicted. Feel free to scroll on by…
Colonel Mustard @ 12:29
In clearing up some of the Remain agitprop, Colonel, a single page leaflet there was amongst other pamphlets that said “Vote Remain, decide your future for yourself”.
This is a free country, one can say almost enything one wants to, but how could anyone, anyone but someone who wants to deliberately mislead say such a thing? The two parts of the sentence are totally contradictory, it is a lie, a falsehood, a deliberated deception aimed (this one) at the largely apolitical, but engaged young.
Other dishonest information was pumped out to, too, but this one was at the core of what it was all about, at least for the barbarian. Not just ‘no taxation without representation’, but no law making without the right of the governed to dismiss, to eject, to vote out.
Colonel Mustard @ 12:41
You’re right, Colonel, a strong leader is needed, but there aren’t many runners Joe the public can recognise, know something about, have affinity with. The one contender, the bookies favourite, is Boris, and this time round they may be getting it right. Baron’s for him, too.
You may recall the barbarian making a comparison between him an Winston, not many of you were enthused by it, but given the deflation of the pool of politicians since the war one’s choices are limited. Saintly Teresa’s out, she should stick to Blahnik shoes, they suit her, Gove is generally disliked, Farage is off (but could do as a consultant in the negotiations, he surely knows the ropes of Brussels, he’s been there many years), Redwood has too-a toffy an the image, and that’s about it.
Boris may look cuddly, but that’s just a smokescreen, deep down he must be ambitious, driven, with a streak of the killer instinct, Baron reckons, all fine features for a leader. On top of it, he was a DT correspondent in Brussels, his father was an MEP (still is?), he must know about the outfit more than anyone else. To negotiate in Brussels, he needs someone skilful to help, the Brussels bureaucrats are seasoned professional liars, it will require a tough negotiator to beat them.
A couple of jokes to cheer you up, one totally PC, the other the other way round:
Trudeau the PM of of Canada: “I shudder to think what the future of feminism in the UK looks like now that it has chosen to leave the European Union.”
Not a particularly sober husband comes home well after midnight, a gorgeous young blond in tow, knocks on the door. The wife opens it, freezes stone dead. The man leans over, whispers into her ear: “Come on, love, be a sport, tell her you’re my sister”.
Useful set of date this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-how-the-results-compare-to-the-uks-educated-old-an/
The one aspect of Brexit not many (if anyone) have even touched upon is the impact on the unwashed in Europe. The Germans are beginning to realise they will have to fork out even more when we’re out, the Hungarians are re-joicing, thinking of doing the same if out exit pans out well.
The Czechs are beginning to talk about a referendum, too (they would, wouldn’t they, last year the country’s contributions to the EU budget were above cash they received back from the EU for the first time since joining in 1994). The voices against joining the Euro have also grown noticeably stronger, even the political elite is having second thought on joining the synthetic currency except for the top finance man who is suspected widely to be closely aligned with the governing EU clique.
The recent Czech experience may be a lesson to us, too, particularly now when sterling has lost ground after Brexit.
Few years back, the country of the Czechs wasn’t doing particularly well, the economy like the rest of the EU, was stagnating, unemployment was high, wages didn’t move. In steps in the Central Bank with a policy of gradual weakening of the country’s currency (it’s called the crown, or CZK). The idea behind it was simple. Exports are a major component of the country’s GDP, it was argued that stimulating the exporting sector should give a push to the rest of manufacturing, in turn to services, too.
The Bank has managed to manoeuvre the crown from some CZK 26 against the sterling few years back to around CZK 35 now (other currencies e.g. the dollar, the Euro underwent a similar adjustments), and voila, the economy has revived, it’s doing as well as the German’s, and certainly beats that of Greece and other countries locked up in the Euro zone.
If sterling remains at the current levels we’re likely to see a similar boost to our exports, will be able to pay the poultry duty of 2.5% that the EU imposes on ‘associate’ trading partners, of which we may be one as we leave.
Malfleur @ 12:50
Good tip, Malfleur, thanks.
In fact, Baron has been doing exactly what you suggest when he encounters hours of video, but he lives in a deep wilderness of Suffolk, internet speeds here could hardly beat those of an escargatoire of snails, so when he moves the runner at the bottom of the page it takes ages before the new section comes on.
Colonel Mustard @ 12:50
Please do stay, Colonel, the blog needs you, there aren’t that many contributors, and you’re one of the most knowledgable and readable ones. If only you could ease off when it comes to our resident pet, do as Joh and others have suggested. Skip his postings, ignore him, let him stew alone.
Scanning the MSM sources often depresses the barbarian, you have the ability to cover the same ground, and surprisingly cheer the poorly educated Slav up. Frank’s in the same league, his wordsmithing ability often dazes Baron, as are many of the others, EC, Noa, Redford, Robert, John, Clear Memories, and of course Malfleur who never ceases to amaze with his penchant for long videos.
Herbert, Stephen and Peter almost never visit now, and are missed, and postings by Redneck, Irishboy and postergirl here are more rare than rocking horse manure (that’s a joke, no reflection of the postings themselves).
What Baron would like to know, have asked before, is number of non-contributing visits. Peter seems reluctant to let us know. Why? It may tell us if the ‘guardians of free speech’ are watching over us, as they should, no?
Baron, here’s a small stool of rocking horse manure!! I’m sorry I don’t write more, though this last year has been personally very difficult and will I think continue to be so. But I visit daily, often many times and get a huge amount of information, articulation, humour and succour too.
I’m in Japan at present. Even here in Tokyo, well a little way out of the very centre, I have to say I’m not missing any diversity in fact I am the cultural enrichment, literally! Well, that’s if they judge me to be doing my job well, me bringing a wonderful Benjamin Britten role here. I find the people I see out and about to be private, courteous, self-possessed, gentle, accepting. But then I’m not gang-raping, insulting, or demanding they change their country to suit me because it actually does suit me very nicely.
And talking of being as rare as rocking horse manure, I am among a dozen British colleagues the only Brexiteer. When the result came through I let them fire off their salvoes against the old, the stupid, the fucktards before I mentioned which way I voted. There was a certain back-pedalling in that they acknowledged that some had good reason for ticking the wrong box. But what I had to say cannot be disputed. My argument is why would you want to have your laws made by those who grant themselves immunity from all legal and judicial processes. The European Arrest Warrant when discussed in Parliament was passed on a raft of measures, the Government taking the vote on the whole as “indicative” of the Common’s view on the EAW, so without a vote in Parliament, the principle of Habeus Corpus and the presumption of innocence were superseded by the tyrannical notion that you can just bang someone up for years without having to present them to a magistrate or present a scintilla of evidence. My vitriolic colleagues, all much younger of course know nothing of this, or of that other tyrannical EU instrument, the European Stability Mechanism. But to a man, they think that to deny entry to the UK to anyone makes me and them a racist. Stupid fuckers. You can’t argue with those so indoctrinated. How have the bastards done it? They will not, refuse to see reason, or the evidence of their own eyes. They are delusional, that is, they are mentally ill. Dear Lord, we may have stopped for a moment the ratchet of tyranny but what hope is there when so many willingly embrace it.
And reading Fraser Nelson just wants to make me throw up. The Speccie came out in favour of Brexit though you’d hardly notice that it was the editorial line by reading the shite they publish. But the only reason Nelson could do so and retain any respectability in his bubble was because others, Farage principally, have soaked up years of opprobrium. And the rest, BoJo, Gove, Hannan, the treacherous shit Carswell are all too posh, too concerned with avoiding that opprobrium to mention the thing that absolutely must be addressed pretty bloody quickly. The invasion of the towel heads. Well, if Farage has become semi-respectable in the last five years, the man we now need is Paul Weston.
Well, Baron, you provoked a burst of heat at least! There’s nobody here needs any light from me. Till soon!
Colonel Mustard – 12:50
“I’m sure the troll will return too because guerilla fashion he likes to choose when and how, provoke a reaction then depart. Anyone who thinks that is commenting and offering an alternative viewpoint has my sympathy…”
The last part of that was deliciously Boot-esque, if you don’t mind me saying. 🙂
Baron – 14:58
Baron, I think well all deserve, and need, a weekend off while we consider how to best use our time and energy Even James Delingpole has taken himself off to Glastonbury to wallow in the mud, smoke (cigarettes one hopes!) and listen to loud noises they like to call music.
None of us are getting any younger, and some of us have underlying physical health issues. I’m one of the younger ones here, and I feel quite tired. My BP has been far too high recently, resulting in all the usual side effects.
The way I see it, is that I’ve used my vote to give the nation a last chance to escape the jaws of servitude and fascism. I have very little influence over what comes next. I suppose I could join the Conservative Party and vote for the BoJo-Gove ticket, and I now feel almost duty bound to join the Labour Party to rescue Jeremy Corbyn for the part he played in securing the Leave vote.
The nation is drinking in the Last Chance Saloon, the politicians have been a final opportunity to not fuck things up. Given the overweening self-interest, malignity and lack of patriotism in the political classes, and breathtaking ignorance of at least 48% of the electorate, I’m not feeling too optimistic.
Irishboy – 15:48
Good points about the draconian legislation the political cabal have got through parliament either on the nod, or under the radar. eg. EAW, and anti free speech legislation contained in the ironically entitled “Equalities Act, 2010”
Mr. Cameron!
WE THE PEOPLE DEMAND THAT OUT ANCIENT RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS THAT WERE ENSHRINED IN MAGNA CARTA AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS BE REINSTATED.
WHEN DO WE WANT THAT? NOW!
“Just one more thing…” as Columbo was wont to say.
I do wish that Dismal Dan Maris, battery car enthusiast, was around to see this…
The new Mercedes AA Class electric car:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arQ8_PW-RiA
WTF has happened to George Osborne? Has he already purchased an Island somewhere and decamped already with the pile he has made?
Let’s discuss replacements for Cameron/Osborne:
Firstly it’s a shame that Farage can’t exploit his success. He and the Labour rebel John Mann are mainly responsible for the Leave turnot and success, imho. Gisela Stuart also played a blinder and deserves to be considered for leader of the Labour Party. It might lead to saner politics from HM Opposition. Can’t understand why she didn’t run as Tory. Far too sensible to be a socialist. 🙂
Cameron’s cunning ploy to resign – but not until after he has cut a covert deal with the Gnomes of Zurich and the rest of the Global weevils in the woodwork – must be thwarted. We must keep up the pressure. I don’t trust Boris, either. His earlier admission that he would use the BRexit vote as a negotiating ploy, rather than a fait accomplis is worrying. The shysters are already lining up to make a killing by making our exit much more difficult that in should be. We need someone – a leader – to look after the interest of the BRexiteers, rather than the political parasites and nest featherers in general. We must remember who the Remainers were and punish them accordingly at the polls.
I can’t see a mature Leader among the Leavers, sadly. Inspire me someone, please. I’d like to think that UKIP could broaden it’s base in a GE and attract other Tory Brexiteers in which case Farage might make it to No. 10. But the existing FPTP means that the established order have a strangehold on power. It’s so sad that a real leader has not emerged within the Tory Party. We need a firebrand to cut through the Brussels bullshit and implement the Great Escape, before the bastards start in invoke compromises that will mean business as usual.
As I said yesterday – there’s still a lot of poker to be played and we need a player with some skill and chutzpah to take the pot. Who?
Irishboy @ 15:48
Arigato, arigato gozaimasu, young sir, what a fantastic piece.
You should enjoy your stay in Tokyo, although the weather may be testing now, but the food’s superb if one’s willing to eat raw fish, right?
If you have the chance, abandon the Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya triangle (the habitat of four out of five Japanese, they seem to like living on top of each other), go south to Kyushu, better still because of the weather north to Hokkaido, experience the countryside, you’ll like the country even more, the regional differences in living, custom, food are amazing.
And you so right on voting out, the youngsters will thank people like you when they grow up, wise up.
Baron – 12:51
The same with ‘Little Englander’, when Leaving will give us greater access to the Rest of the World, without Brussels interfering, and it isn’t as though they get anything right!
It also means the Soft Left from CMD, Leftward, will have one less layer of international hubris to protect them.
‘Take the pot’ for ourvBRexit syndicate, I hasten to add, rather than self interest, which is what I suspect with all the current contenders, except Nigel, who sadly may well rest on his laurels as the ‘One Wot Done It!”
The world is going mad!
There are some young voters who ‘didn’t realise that their vote counted’, some are blaming the older (and wiser?) voters for voting the wrong way and some are suggesting that the HoC could ignore the referendum result when it was set up by Parliament itself by a long term, devoted Remainer, to give power to the people, and even politicians are guilty of this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3658352/ScotLond-Remain-supporters-launch-online-campaign-Scottish-Londoners-join-stay-EU-voted-against-Brexit.html
It won’t be the first time that a referendum has been ignored in a European country! 🙂
If the young had tried to persuade their elders, they might have been found that their facts were not facts at all! They have been brainwashed by our schools and universities: no wonder Blair wanted 50% to go to university!
While there are rumours that some politicians are having second thoughts, I think some of it is just the media creating more heat than light, but that doesn’t mean that the breaks aren’t being applied. Farage, while he ought to get some recognition, eventually, may be more effective on the outside of the tent 🙂 as there is still a chance for group think to set in.
I think, just as Project Fear worked for the opposition, so will any ‘non-cricketing’ behaviour now.
Frank P @ 16:16
That would be the winner in the competition of the bleeding obvious, Frank, that we need a powerful personality, that’s a sure winner, keep it in mind.
No question about it we need someone who has the ear of the people, a man or a woman, or even a gender fluid mesomorph (yup, the barbarian would go that far provided he, the gender fluid, was dirhinous, which, by and large, they are), but of the caliber of Winston to get us moving on the right track.
Like you, Baron doesn’t know of such individual. The list he has gone through above is about all that’s on offer, and is mildly passable amongst the 330 MPs. The young Rees-Mogg is sometimes mentioned, too, as are Nicky Morgan, Javid, Liam Fox, or the surprise one, Dominic Raab (ever heard of this one?).
When you consider what we can be lumbered with, Boris isn’t that bad a choice even though he may not be an eurosceptic at heart, is overly keen on the other well defined sex, and not averse having Turkey in the EU (we’re out of it, so good luck to the EU).
Amongst the blind, the one eyed is king, no?
At last I feel free. Thanks to Gisela, Michael and Boris. And Dan and God.
RobertRetyred @ 16:45
Spot on, Robert, the young have a queer take on democracy, they don’t accept anything that goes against their blinkered view based more on the love of virtues than life experiences, well, tough titty, that’s the result, they have to take it.
What puzzles is the attitude of the Scots. If they think they get more money from Brussels than from Westminster they’re mistaken. The tourist trade from the English south will get dented if they leave us, and not many from the European nations are willing to eat haggis, drink whisky whilst avoiding midges. Not much oil is left offshore either, and the Highland games may be the thing for HM, but are there other admirers in numbers large enough to matter for the communities that stage them?
Great posts above from the usual suspects while I was knocking out that last effort (plus qualifier) together.
I would urge Peter to keep the troll at bay, btw. The blog’s disinfection since his last malign visit and our joint response has been refreshing. It isn’t the fact that we can all ignore him by scroll; it’s the fact that it is another facility for Agitprop that we can and therefore should block Bad enoigh having to plough through it on the BBC to get to its better output. Free speech is not a justification for facilitating inimical propaganda. My last word on the subject, I promise. And please no more second hand troll stuff, Mr.Birch. Those who wish to look for crap know where to find it, even when it’s only to use as fartiliser. 🙂 A fuckwhit free zone, please.
huktra @ 16:59
Welcome back, huktra, nice to hear your voice again. Baron missed you on his list of contributors. Remind us when it was you posted last? Was it this century, or the one before? (only joking).
Btw, you may have left Nigel to thank, you know, the bloke who loves drinking beer, smoking cigarettes, telling jokes?
Baron
I like young Rees-Mogg. He is the most articulate and knowlegable MP on the green benches. And his sardonic wit is delicious. He never seems to show interest in taking the wheel on the bridge, though – and I suspect that his obvious intellect is too invidious to attract support of fellow MPs in a leadership contest. Also his toff image might put off some punters in a GE. Sadly! Class devision is pernicious, as we know.
I agree with Col M and others about the urgency of consolidating the result of the referendun to ensure that it doesn’t become’ the deferendum’. The Scottish question is already being exploited by the malign stream meeja. How did the sane and well educated scots allow the rabble to take over their politics. Wee Alec, wee Krankie and now the mouthy Tory dyke. I have some great Scottish friends and relatives who are similarly appalled.
Baron – 17:06
They forget, or is it they can’na forget, that the Union was precipitated by Scottish financial troubles. They also have a problem with wind! Too much of their National Grid is dependent on it. There is a fair bit of oil, but not enough profit on it to fritter away on Socialist fantasy projects.
And, by St George, they make very good whisky in Norfolk 🙂 which is a lot closer to civilisation.
Sorry frank, but I enjoyed the response to his post.
No more though.
Radford NG June 24th, 2016 – 15:42
Colonel Mustard.
I agree that the wet Tory leavers cannot be trusted. The three month interregnum is an exercise in re-structuring the Conservative party and protecting the Civil Service and in particular Sir Jeremy Hayward. One suspects that no preparations have been made for the Brexit result and that a brief and strategy have to be hastily cobbled together. In any event the tarnished Sir Cover Up should be sacked immediately.
It’s clear that the Tories will try to take Nigel out of the fight by ennobling him, which would leave UKIP rudderless at a time when the real fight has only just begun. In UKIP’s case a post referendum strategy is also required, offering an alternative home for Conservative Tory and Labour MPs.
As a start the Kirklees by-election should be contested on a Brexit implementation ticket.
Peter
The troll conundrum (In or Out)can be simply resolved by the re-activation of the Bogey Hole to which his posts were consigned last year.
In that way those who wish to inspect his various stools can do so in the privacy of their own cyber conveniences.
Frank P 17.31
Like yours my sane Scottish friends are similarly appalled by the completion domination of their politics by the SNP midget and screeching Tory and Labour lesbians.
Scotland offers a view of an alternative, dystopian reality; the males suitably neutered and replaced by a job lot collection of remaindered Ann Summers dildoes.
Is the now witless, spavined and benefits dependent population, this sorry rump in the northern outpost of Britain, the cumulative result of successive post Clearance waves of migration by its best, or the end product of a brutalised post industrial society?
Peter Oborne proposes a second referendum following completion of Brexit negotiations. I would prefer the consideration of suspending Horse Wynd and the imposition direct rule.
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Noa June 25th, 2016 – 19:17
The delay might well precipitate a constitutional crisis especially as the ‘silly’ re-run petition is now over a million and rising at circa 100,000 an hour. It could get to a point where it will be hard for the government to ignore, where their small majority and the manipulative conniving of Labour and the SNP to try to legitimise the petition become a serious factor. Labour are already beginning to fly the kite of ‘Tory leave’ and ‘Labour remain’. Also some of the politician and media commentary has been inflammatory and irresponsible. For politicians to undermine their own law and incite subversion on the scale currently seen is extremely dangerous. The sort of thing experienced often in Europe but seldom in the UK.
The Referendum Act 2015 makes no provision for the result to be legally binding on the government or on any future government due to the principle of parliamentary sovereignty although the decision was to be final. The result of the referendum was to be a single majority vote of all four constituent countries of the United Kingdom and Gibraltar with no super majorities, double majorities or any minimum turnout threshold required for the vote to pass which was declared by Chief Counting Officer (CCO) Jenny Watson at Manchester Town Hall on Friday 24 June 2016.
The act does not specify any specific consequences that would follow the result of the referendum. In the event of the Leave vote, the government will decide under what circumstances to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty to begin the two-year process of negotiations for Britain to leave the EU. European Law will remain enforceable in the United Kingdom unless the European Communities Act 1972 were repealed.
The total of eligible voters was nearly 46.5 million, of which nearly 39 million were in England and just under 4 million in Scotland. Scotland is a constituent part of the UK and there was no provision that the vote in Scotland would take precedence in any way over the overall UK vote. The SNP reaction to the result is a consequence of badly conceived devolution for which Labour are responsible. A half-arsed quasi-federal “solution” that simply creates constitutional problems, especially where Scottish representation has been “captured” by nationalists with an axe to grind.
Further, the behaviour of the EU is premature given that the referendum is an internal matter for the British government and does not officially concern them until Article 50 is invoked.
Like so many aspects of law nowadays the politicians and the media seem to think it is ok to jump the gun and to raise all sorts of speculative outcomes and interventions before official and legally binding processes have even been initiated. I think this happens partly because of the nature of digital media and partly because politicians are so immature and ignorant of constitutional history and practice. When confronted by this they tend to be weak and appeasing, defensive rather than taking control and firing warning shots across the bows of all the clamour. Unsurprising when they have abandoned gravitas, desport themselves shamelessly on Twitter and sit in TV studios chummy and giggling with Westminster bubble media operators. The only one I have ever seen attempting to put them in their place is IDS and it is so unusual and isolated that it has little effect.
The BBC could have been tamed by Whittingdale but fearful of the inevitable left wing backlash he and the regime drew back from the brink and went the same weak, half-hearted way as the EU “re-negotiations”.
There is a left wing monster in this country, totally out of control, and I can see no leader willing to slay it.
I went to Tesco to do my shopping this morning and the cashier asked this foreign couple in front if they wanted help packing their bags today…. I thought flippin heck this is happening quicker than I expected….
Presumably the ‘petition could reach circa 16,000,000 the total of Remainiac voters. So fucking what?! If democracy (such as it is – and Christ only knows it’s an imperfect arrangement) is to be overturned every time there is a election, because of petitition of losers, by internet, then I’m for a coup d’etat. something has got to stop this socialust rot and the first step of extracting ourselves from the Franco-German scam is only the start. We must reject the cursed ideology by rejection, ostracism, ridicule and suppression of Agitprop; which is why I recently got so exercised by our erstwhile intruder, whose posts are straight from Agitprop’s play book
Moreover we mustn’t let this distraction take our eye off the other enemy – Islam. Through jihad and infiltration they continue apace, so the replacement for Cameron should have the anti-jihad credentials necessary to combine wirh the policies of Trump should he make it. We must pray that he does: if HillBillary regain control of the levers, we really are cattled.
Sorry Colonel, our posts and thoughts crossed there, hence the similar condemnation of the socialist scourge.
Noa (20:28)
Sorry Noa, I appended three smileys there, but for some reason the wall only accepts the punctuation method of appending them. Not sure why that is.
https://pjmedia.com/diaryofamadvoter/2016/06/23/brexit-vote-has-huge-ramifications-for-us-politics/
Good o’er t’Pond support.
Btw. Nobody seems surprised that Liverpool voted Remain. Another nest of fucking traitors.
Colonel Mustard
The shambolic leftist collective that encapsulates the serial incompetence of the Cameron government and administration has been caught cold by Brexit.
The result should have activated a pre-prepared plan.
Clearly none such plan exists.
In the true spirit of British liberal incompetence and the servile self interest of the Conservative party, the electorates will is being suborned; I suspect that despite its manifest faults, the EU is somewhat better prepared.
Baron, I used to regularly post visitor statistics. There was never a secret. And I’ve not noticed you ask before. I am running the statistics module and will post some figures early next week.
It is interesting that the only comment I have seen Osbourne make is that the best news he has heard in the last 48 hours is that Greening has announced that she is another homosexual in the Government. Rather an odd thing to make a public statement about. And of course Cameron said his greatest achievement was undermining the institution of marriage.
Does the number of homosexuals in Parliament exceed the proportion of homosexuals in society as a whole? Any stats on that?
Peter from Maidstone @ 22:02
Thank you, Peter, and the barbarian did ask, cannot remember when exactly, but always in an oblique manner, not directly i.e. what is the number of … but rather he would like to know la, la.
Colonel Mustard @ 22:19
Someone like Guido Fawkes probably has the numbers (declared and closeted), Colonel, but one would guess the percentage in the two Houses will be at least ten times that in the society as a whole. What is it that attracts them to politics only they know.
Way back in the last century, in the Upper House, Lord Arran was the sponsor of Leo Abse’s 1967 private member’s bill to decriminalize homosexuality between two consenting adult males. He also sponsored a bill for the protection of badgers. When asked by journalists in the House why the badger bill had not received enough support to pass, but the one decriminalising homosexuality had, he told the press ‘just look around, you see many badgers here?’
Noa @ 21:11
The same point was made on one of the radio stations by a retired civil servant, Noa. He said in 1975, they had contingency plans for either outcome, suggested the Head of the Civil Service should be sacked if he failed to do the same this time round.
Wishful thinking on his part, both on the planning and sacking, Baron reckons, what with the quality of the Service today. The Germans, however, said they had planned for either, can go ahead as soon as next week, in fact may insist the talks start next week (or was it next month? Baron cannot remember, and cannot find the original site of the info), the Mutti contradicted the Foreign Ministers from the six founding members of the outfit who met today, wanted the push ahead, she said brexit should happen soon, but there was no need to rush it.
Frank P @ 20:50
You reckon everyone voting remain is a traitor, Frank?
Someone Baron knows reasonably well voted remain because a member of his family owns (or co-owns) a country house cum vinery in France. The barbarian was trying to reassure him nothing would happen to the property if we leave the Brussels bureaucracy, but he wanted to make sure, stuck to remain. Didn’t work for him, did it?
Noa @ 19:22
Good idea that, Noa, in fact, a perfect solution.
Colonel Mustard 22.19
By extrapolation declared homosexual Parliament MPs exceed the population three times over the homosexual proportion of the population.
“Just one in 100 people in the UK say they are gay or lesbian, according to statistics on sexuality published for the first time today.”
A further one in every 200 people are bisexual, according to the data published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS).”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/official-statistics-reveal-uk-gay-lesbian-and-bisexual-population-2087829.html
33 MPs including the newly self outed Greening.
A pity she thought that outing her sexual preferences was more principled than supporting the outing of her country from the EU dictatorship.
The obverse of the morals and values of the British people.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11604778/Commons-has-more-gay-MPs-than-any-other-parliament-in-the-world.html
Frank P @ 20:36
You are right, Frank, the Mayor of London was on the BBC1 News tonight, suggested, almost insisted, he should be present at the negotiations with Brussels on the basis that London voted to remain. He wants to ensure the continuation of ties with the monstrosity. The barbarian thought the job of a mayor of a city was to run the city, not Britain’s Foreign policy. What a cheek of the man.
In the same programme, they went to Leister, found mostly people who wanted to remain, one, a young man, said he was very angry about the outcome. The interviewer should have pointed out to him this is how democracy works, but didn’t, let it pass.
The Tories had a chance to whip the BBC tossers, missed it, may be regretting it now.
Noa /Baron
This administration – and the last one – have been run by graduate spads whose immaturity and gauche ineptitude is widespread and obvious. The mature members of government have been suppressed and muted. Which is testimony to their invertebrate impotence. I cannot therefore see a Phoenix rising from the scorched earth that BRexit has inadvertently produced. After the initial euphoria of victory yesterday, today the harsh reality has hit home: that the same douchebags are still in charge of our economy and laws and the cynical wheeling and dealing that has already begun, overtly and quite arrogantly. As the young eligible voters were apparently 75% Remainiacs, why in fucks name are we still trying the save the twats from their own stupidity. We had to learn the hard way. Perhaps we should should just enjoy life as best we can, with the experience that we have – and let them arrange the fucked up future for themselves.
Watching the meeja today has been something of a depressing experience. What’s more, the days have started to draw in. What happened to summer, FFS? Independence Day my arse! We’ll never be free of the shackles of one bunch of bastards or another.
And from that cheerful round up of the ‘momentous events’ of the last 48 hours or so, you’ll perhaps deduce that my pain killers aren’t doing the trick.
Noa @ 23:52
It seems though, Noa, the voting public are rather benevolent about it, it doesn’t bother them. Perhaps because not many ever come to deal with their MP face to face anyway, for most of the voters it’s just a name the party they support puts forward in elections.
Baron 23.18
ROTFLMAO!
23,28
Peter Oborne says pretty much the same in Saturdays Daily Mail, unfortunately there’s no link on its website.
Colonel Mustard @ 20:07
An excellent summation, Colonel, but it’s highly unlikely the petition for another referendum can get anywhere whatever number of signatures it collects, the boy cannot reverse what he said yesterday, he would look a complete twerp if he did, the powers of Brussels must have been told about his decision to resign before he spoke, have no desire to have us back. It seems that instead on reflecting on the reasons for which we pulled out, they’re as determined as before to push ahead with deeper integration. Good luck to them.
Baron 00.13
I have no objection to homosexuals per se. I know many, and find them to be in general reasonable people, though often narcissistic.
However I profoundly Gramscian reject its political collectivisation and weaponisation of homosexuality by the Long Marchers in order to attack and destroy the basic tenets of morality and Western society.
Baron – June 25 @ 14:33
“Escargotoire”! Lovely word! Is that for real?
But I have to point out that it should be “paltry duty” in your at post at 14:26. Just for a second when reading that, I saw you in my mind’s eye as a disgruntled Suffolk chicken farmer.
Frank P 00.12
The young are always petulant when they don’t get their own way and don’t want to hear of the experience that their elders possess.
Nevertheless we owe a duty to both them and ourselves to protect them as much as we can to protect them from the adverse consequences of their own stupidity, up to and including their and our own extinction.
Hitchens on Brexit
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3660282/Boston-Lincolngrad-saw-seething-resentment-time-finish-revolution-says-PETER-HITCHENS.html
Irishboy, June 25 @ 15:48
Your friends in Tokyo should not fear – the European Gendarmerie may arrive in the nick of time….
To those who have reverted to type after the initial satisfaction at the Brexit vote and sunk back into their default, cynical pessimism, I would point out that there is a respectable number who see Brexit as starting something in the EU at large which cannot be stopped, the breakup of the entire edifice.
If Sir Nigel and his followers are looking for a task, it should be to build a cross-party presence in the House of Commons, hold the government to the decision of the people or call for a vote of no confidence, and to reach out both to the nations in the EU who want out and to the Anglosphere to make proposals for increased cooperation with an independent Britain.
Malfleur June 26th, 2016 – 01:38
“To those who have reverted to type after the initial satisfaction at the Brexit vote and sunk back into their default, cynical pessimism”
Well, I see that you have reverted to type!
Wall to wall Alex Jones’ Info Wars output probably couldn’t be characterised as entirely “trusting optimism” either!
With that and after the empirical evidence of the last near 20 years of British political behaviours I’m mildly surprised that you would not be just a tad suspicious of the possible activities and outcomes of the current churn, especially as Johnson. Gove and Hannan appear to be busy freezing Farage out of leave negotiations. All three are currently back pedalling on the immigration issues having denounced Farage’s poster.
As for “Sir Nigel” building a cross party presence in the HoC that might be a tad difficult with only one MP there who seems to be busy undermining his leader! Much of Carswell’s recent output appears conflicted as to whether he is really a UKIP or Conservative MP.
Of course a week is a long time in politics and there are the inevitable “events, dear boy” but I shouldn’t like to speculate further on the possibilities in this period if uncertainty lest I sink deeper to default type!
Sooooo, lovely wild flowers this morning as the sun paints the uplands with glory, birds tweet, and bunny rabbits and dear little squirrels gambol. Just waiting for Snow White to appear and sing me a lovely song.
😉
Noa June 25th, 2016 – 23:52
Thanks. Like Baron it is the aspect of politically weaponised identity groups that concerns me, where a minority get to wield disproportionate influence over policies that will affect the majority.
And the Conservative government does seem to be obsessed with this particular sexuality to the point where I wish they were as concerned with many other pressing issues.
Baron June 26th, 2016 – 00:27
Oh, I don’t so much consider it will get anywhere as to be exploited – mythologised – in order to manipulate outcomes. The Labour party are especially adept at such activity, creating a head of steam from a lot of hot air and seeding buzz words into the BBC and thereby public conscience. Especially anything that can involve ‘outrage’!
Although this morning the sacking of Benn from cabinet might divert them to internal affairs.
Colonel Mustryarder
I am not sure what your own sources of news are, but I think one could do worse that go to Infowars.com.
I was really referring in my post at 01:38 to your co-guru. Frank P is a self-declared cynic, pessimist and determinist as the exchanges here a few years ago on Pascal brought out. So again, if you were aware that I was talking about him, I really don’t get why you are having a go at me – unless of course you feel that you can’t operate here without a telemachus substitute…in which case I understand; online PTSD, common among some bloggers who have recently had a sharp engagement with the enemy.
You will be providing your own proposals for Brexiters to ensure constructive implementation of last week’s vote. I am sure that they will be better than mine, and I look forward to reading them.
After my previous post. I went for my weekly breakfast in a local restaurant that does an “English” (sort of) after buying the FT Weekend at an international hotel. I had my blood pressure raised by the numerous articles and editorials on Brexit mostly, but with the exception of Iain Martin’s, viciously Bilderbergian and globalist in slant and content – especially Mr. Martin Wolf’s contribution. As every Sunday, I started off with the intention of collecting my thoughts for the benefit of the Wall when I returned home (I know, I know!) and made some detailed notes. I then moved on to the reviews of new books on the Somme, which put my mood a little further down and my bp a few points further up – some 420,000 British dead in the 141 day campaign whose 100th anniversary falls next Friday. We do what little we can, even Alex Jones, to avoid butchery on this scale, or worse. without sacrificing freedom.
When I returned home a short while ago, I did appreciate however your final pastoral paragraph, ignoring any unworthy suspicions I might have had that the bramble of irony be concealed under its flowery surface.
The reason for my pleasure was that a heavy shower of rain had cooled the asphalt outside the cafe. The scent of the fresh rainfall brought home thoughts from abroad to an Englishman in this urban landscape and made him relish the more the final article.
The article is ‘David Hockney at the Royal Academy’ by Jackie Wullschlager and it ends as follows:
“…“Unfortunately they gave up teaching painting and drawing. What’s going to happen? If you stopped teaching mathematics, bridges would fall down. Well, I’m an optimist even though I know the world’s a terrible place. I like life, I like people. When I’m painting, I feel 30. I came out of Tate’s Matisse Picasso show and there were some big photographs and I thought, ‘the world looks very dull in a photograph but Picasso and Matisse made it exciting.’
“I think the world is exciting and I think the world is beautiful, yes I do!”. “
Colonel Mustard @ 07:29
A piece of genteel chastising has never done anyone much harm, and the ending is delicious, Colonel.
The ‘freezing out’ of Farage may be partly self-inflicting, Baron reckons, he may want to wrap it all up, ‘enough’s enough, let’s get out when the going’s good, collect the gong, enjoy life without fear of getting hit’.
On the issue of immigration:
The barbarian has said it before, you’ve ignored him because it’s hard to stomach, but you shouldn’t live in denial, it only eats at you, furnishes no answers, no solutions.
Immigration has always been part and parcel of the globalising of the world. It’s there together with the freeing of capital movement, containerisation in distribution of physical goods, the internet. All that package has brought greater prosperity, but has benefited predominantly (but not exclusively) the middle classes e.g. the likes of Hannan’s, Goves, Carswells.
Few weeks back, the barbarian went to a private party, everyone was as concerned as we’re here about how many immigrants are arriving, but then a guest with well known socialist leanings (he likes Corbyn, arghhh) turned to one of the other guests. ‘Who cleans the houses, looks after the kids of your three sons?, he asked.
In he end, we counted how many foreigners are doing jobs for everyone at the party (or their families), there were nine of us (four pairs, one single guy, the socialist). Shall Baron tell you the number? In total 15 or 21 depending whether one includes a group building a fence i.e. a transient employment, all foreigners, nationalities unknown, the man employing them thought they were Polish, (the guy with three sons accounted for seven of the employed foreigners including a personal trainer who comes form the Republic, but was born in Iran or Iraq, Baron forgets).
The middle classes may rant against immigration, but they’re the major beneficiary of it. It really is, in a sense, the same as as colonisation was in the 19th century except the travelling arrangements got reversed.
You know the barbarian story, in the past, the sons of middle class families got boarding a boat, settled down in distant lands where the local served, worked the fields for them, looked after their kids. Today, it’s the locals from the countries afar (and also close i.e. from eastern Europe) who come here to serve the middle class sahibs as waiters, nannies, vegetables pickers.
The immigrants in Europe perform the same menial jobs there as they do here, the middle classes of Western Continental Europe, who largely missed on the colonising ventures of the 19th century e.g. the Germans, have now also discovered the benefits of cheap, obedient, often reasonably well educated immigrant labour, are exploiting it, too.
What raised the temperature about immigration was the ME conflict, it boosted the numbers, got virtually everyone angry because of the danger of jihadism. Who wants to employ, however cheaply, a man who can blow one up.
Apologies for the long rant, but like you, Colonel, the barbarian doesn’t expect the society to suddenly change because of brexit. The good thing is that we’ll have our mendacious lot making the rules in the House, we can, even if with difficulties, kick them out. This we couldn’t do with the EU appointed bunch. For Baron, it’s as good a start as a couple of lawyers chained together at the bottom of the sea.
Btw, the Peter Hitchen’s piece was good, but not exceptional, too long, and kind of waffling alot, he can be and has been much better.
At the moment I am looking at face of the boggle-eyed little twat who ‘leads’ the rag-tag-and-bobtail of what is left of the Libdums. I cannot hear his voice, because the TV is muted, but a caption tells me that a new referendum ‘is being triggered’ by a 2m plus on line petition. Earlier the sight of a large contingent of the Extremely Ugly Club, aka HM Loyal Opposition, seated around a green baize table, reminded me of the last time I raided the Hop Garden illegal spieler, in Blenhiem Crescent, just off Ladbroke Grove – except that the armed robbers who frequented it, were better dressed and statesmen-like by comparison, except for the two dykes they always had in tow, who bore a strong resemblace to two of the ladies of ‘shadow cabinet’ whose stubbled chins are probably the cause of that sobriquet.
Cut to that nice Hillary Benn being chased by blood thirsty hacks along a leafy London suburb, which now reminds of when he was still a pompous little twat arriving home in Notting Hill Gate from Holland Park School Comprehensive, which had been built specifically so that Daddy could display his egalitarian credentials. I hate to think what havoc those original thousand or so spawn pores of Labour Luvvies have wrought upon the benighted Metropolis.
Lets hope what is ‘triggered’ by the ludicrous petition, are the guns of a firing squad, after a coup d’etat. On with your FSMO Mr Kemp!
That would be a wonderful sequel to Brexit, would it not? But ‘not British’, I suppose. Shame!
FMOBB!! I obviously did not survive the operating table skirmish last week. This is my personal version of Dante’s inferno, ennit? My hitherto determined determinism is now thoroughly undermined, EC.
Colonel Mustard,
I’ll leave you to deflatulate Malfart, if you don’t mind. I simply can’t be arsed!
Oh Gorfuckme! Now that parody of herself, the green Ozzie, Natalie Bennett is full frontal on my TV screen. Those rubber lips and craggy Hampsteads! I’m off – back to bed! Please Richard Kemp, the time has come! You surely can’t resist it. The Zeitgeist is ripe for it. Much better than when Cecil King and Mountbatten muttered about it back circa ’68.
Both he Govt and the Oppo are crumbling.
btw – Bennett – I forgot to mention the lank mousey hair and watery mince-pies. Apologies – very remiss of me.
otoh – how can you effectively lampoon a parody? Beats me.
Malfleur – 00:47
Our friend Baron, CHW co-commenter and international man of mystery, is a master of many languages and, being something of an autodidact, he is not so poorly educated as he would have us all believe !
Baron, June 25th, 2016 – 23:40
Your acquaintance must take his lead from the venal politico classes who would sell out the entire nation for narrow personal self interest and gain. Similar to, but far worse than, Judas, imo.
Returned by popular demand, Frank?
Colonel Mustard, June 25th, 2016 – 22:19
Re HoC:
I’m certain that all minorities are overrepresented in the “Westminster Gasworks. (© Frank P) The tail wagging the dog!
Frank P – 10:07
“The boggle-eyed little twat who ‘leads’ the rag-tag-and-bobtail of what is left of the Libdums”
Although the general demeanour and the rather disconcerting gurning expression of the Member for Westmorland and Lonsdale might give some cause for concern, I’m fairly certain it’s only the nation he’s hellbent on fucking. He is considered to be a conscientious MP, and is well regarded by the sheep and goat shagging community in his agricultural constituency.
EC on Escargoy\toires and Baron
I LOVE the word, EC – even to the point of looking it up:
‘Escargatoire a nursery for snails, 1705, hence, a large number of snails.’
Whether things have moved on since 1705, I caanot sa; but the URBAN DICTIONARY has:
‘A snail hostelry; being a place where snails can snuggle up to each other and relax without fear of being trodden on with the hobnail boots of a passing deity, rather like as with mankind with his relation to a country inn on coming back from a hard day’s labour.’
Frank P 10:07
“This is my personal version of Dante’s inferno, ennit? My hitherto determined determinism is now thoroughly undermined, EC.”
You are not alone in the maelstrom that is currently engulfing us, Frank!
Also, regarding determined determinism, my daughter, who I hazard may know more than Stefan on that, says that it is perfectly possible. She also said that it was probably better not to think about it! 😉
Apologies for the typo above. It was fat finger syndrome – not an aspersion on non-Jewish snails.
Malfleur June 26th, 2016 – 08:48
Thanks for your most comprehensive reply. I shall indeed try harder.
“I am not sure what your own sources of news are, but I think one could do worse that go to Infowars.com.”
An interesting place indeed, but I fear that you have missed my point. Which was not a criticism of Infowars as a source of news per se but simply an observation in the face of your sudden aversion to those qualities that much of its output might also be described as “cynical pessimism”. My main issue with the place is that the red raw meat has to be reached through copious layers of fat and times a’wastin’ and all that.
“I was really referring in my post at 01:38 to your co-guru. Frank P is a self-declared cynic, pessimist and determinist as the exchanges here a few years ago on Pascal brought out. So again, if you were aware that I was talking about him, I really don’t get why you are having a go at me – unless of course you feel that you can’t operate here without a telemachus substitute…in which case I understand; online PTSD, common among some bloggers who have recently had a sharp engagement with the enemy.”
Thank you for the clarification. I was confused by your reference to “those” which I took as plural. Perhaps I would have done better had you called a spade a spade rather than reverting to type? As for the troll the peculiar symbiosis between you has already been noted on occasion. A case of my enemy’s enemy perhaps.
“You will be providing your own proposals for Brexiters to ensure constructive implementation of last week’s vote. I am sure that they will be better than mine, and I look forward to reading them.”
I am by no means confident that Brexiters will be empowered to ensure any constructive implementation. Cameron is still in the wheelhouse and the Three Amigos are back pedalling furiously. They don’t even have the guts to drag him out and kick him over the side. Any proposals might therefore be irrelevant to the realpolitik that develops here on.
“After my previous post. I went for my weekly breakfast in a local restaurant that does an “English” (sort of) after buying the FT Weekend at an international hotel. I had my blood pressure raised by the numerous articles and editorials on Brexit mostly, but with the exception of Iain Martin’s, viciously Bilderbergian and globalist in slant and content – especially Mr. Martin Wolf’s contribution. As every Sunday, I started off with the intention of collecting my thoughts for the benefit of the Wall when I returned home (I know, I know!) and made some detailed notes. I then moved on to the reviews of new books on the Somme, which put my mood a little further down and my bp a few points further up – some 420,000 British dead in the 141 day campaign whose 100th anniversary falls next Friday. We do what little we can, even Alex Jones, to avoid butchery on this scale, or worse. without sacrificing freedom.”
Jolly good. I went for a walk in the woods with my late uncle and then had a light breakfast of muesli, orange juice and tea whilst reading the Spectator’s Arts pages.
“When I returned home a short while ago, I did appreciate however your final pastoral paragraph, ignoring any unworthy suspicions I might have had that the bramble of irony be concealed under its flowery surface.”
Heaven forbid! Brambles are for Sleeping Beauty and I am most unsuitably turned on by Malificent. Snow White blows you a delightful kiss and banishes such thoughts.
“The reason for my pleasure was that a heavy shower of rain had cooled the asphalt outside the cafe. The scent of the fresh rainfall brought home thoughts from abroad to an Englishman in this urban landscape and made him relish the more the final article.”
It was especially wonderful this morning. That unique combination of abundant verdant foliage, an earthy aroma fragranced with blossom, soft light turning from grey to saffron, a slight mist and chrystalline summer rain. It almost seemed as though England were breathing again.
“The article is ‘David Hockney at the Royal Academy’ by Jackie Wullschlager and it ends as follows:
“…“Unfortunately they gave up teaching painting and drawing. What’s going to happen? If you stopped teaching mathematics, bridges would fall down. Well, I’m an optimist even though I know the world’s a terrible place. I like life, I like people. When I’m painting, I feel 30. I came out of Tate’s Matisse Picasso show and there were some big photographs and I thought, ‘the world looks very dull in a photograph but Picasso and Matisse made it exciting.’ “I think the world is exciting and I think the world is beautiful, yes I do!”.”
Me too! Snow White is nodding and the bluebirds on her shoulder, just in from the White Cliffs, are trilling in delight.
Frank P June 26th, 2016 – 10:18
I have attempted a detailed response but it is “now awaiting moderation”. Can’t think why as there is nothing offensive in it and no dodgy links.
EC June 26th, 2016 – 10:53
Suddenly all the kidults and SJW campaigners in our puppet Parliament are having to face the scary prospect of actually governing this country alone, for the benefit of its people rather than to the benefit of their various causes, without the crutch of the EU.
Colonel Mustard – 11:26
True! This weekend we are witnessing the results of the infantilisation of British politics that was enabled by a dumbed down education system, and aided and abetted by the media!
The pre-existing 1997 rot got far worse under New Labour and is now probably terminal.
Colonel Mustard – 11:24
In my experience, any comment specifying more than two links automatically goes into ‘awaiting moderation’. Repost as two comments.
Frank P, not that anybody GAS about the the minutiae but…
@11:08 should have been “…nation as a whole.”
@11:18 should have been ” …it is perfectly possible, probably…”
Yet another two cases of more haste, less speed!
EC June 26th, 2016 – 11:36
Thanks. There were no links in it and no forbidden words that I could see. It was just a bit long.
Does Peter check the moderated comments?
Peter from Maidstone,
Hi Peter,
Please can you re-introduce the threads/replies feature that Verity found so baffling.
I’m certain that the rest of us are up to speed with that format by now.
Also does WordPress have an “edit” facility a la Breitbart/Guido, or is that just Disqus?
Colonel Mustard – 11:43
Mm, I think an email to peter@coffeehousewall.co.uk bring about a speedier resolution.
EC. I hesitate to make changes unless people are in agreement as changes tend to lead to people being annoyed with me. It is possible to edit comments if a person is a logged in user. But there was a resistance from some to providing any details at all to facilitate having a registration.
You can become a registered user if you would like.
It seems to be resolved – 11:20 – thanks Peter.
I check in fairly regularly and get notification of things needing moderation.
Colonel Mustard,
Brian Paddick was born before his time. We have a future Met Police Chief or London Mayor here…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3660020/He-said-yes-Heartwarming-moment-police-officer-breaks-ranks-London-Pride-parade-propose-boyfriend.html
Re Anniversary of the Somme, although not specifically about the battle I can recommend Fire-Power by Shelford ‘Ginger’ Bidwell and Dominick Graham. An old book (1982) but it provides some interesting insights and revisions from the perspective of the artillery and the tendency in 1916 always to make plans for offensives too ambitious and thereby doom them to failure because the communications infrastructure was just not up to that. Brigadier Bidwell OBE FRHISTS was an artilleryman who fought in North Africa and Italy and wrote probably the best book so far on the China-Burma-India campaign and the Chindits. Not to be confused with the inventor from “Naarfak”.
Tonight Channel 4 are showing lost-to-history wartime footage of 14th Army soldiers “phoning home”. Post-1997 they will seem like aliens from another planet and we can mourn the lost manhood of their passing.
Clear Memories,
If you have enough time please can we prevail upon you to do a “Letter From Oz” as an occasional or regular feature? It would be interesting.
For starters, please can you enlighten us as to what this is all about?
https://snag.gy/STuRr6.jpg
Frank P -10:30
See above, the Aussies have got plenty more where Nuttalie Bennett comes from!
Far Flung CHWsters,
How about an occasional “Letter from…” giving us an insight on what it’s like in your neck of the woods?
Outlaw postal or electronic voting!
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/26/questions-raised-3m-remain-petition-activists-encourage-foreign-signatories/
With the heir to the Kinnoccios leading the way!
http://www.alexanderboot.com/the-domino-effect-of-idiocy-has-already-started/
What policies would we want to see on the agenda of a government formed by a new party constructed out of the Conservative and Labour Brexiteers following a no-confidence vote turning out Cameron?
I’ll make a start.
Cancellation of the ban on construction of further fossil fuel clean energy power plants and the reinvigoration of the British coal industry
Malfleur at 12.24
We need underground coal-gas production. This is not being promoted by various protesters because it produces carbon fuel chemically the same as the town-gas we used until 1973. Basically:drill two holes;pump steam down one which gassifies the coal;pump the gas up the other. There are vast coal reserves below Doggerland ;the lands drowned 8000 years ago off Lincs. and East Anglia. There are more energy reserves there then in the oil and natural gas fields in the north. I need to look-up references for this.
Malfleur June 26th, 2016 – 12:47
Restoration of the UK’s maritime power, especially as it relates to coastal border defence and the protection of fisheries, as a priority over foreign aid.
Another island nation with a fisheries heritage, the Japanese Coast Guard has 121 patrol vessels, 234 patrol craft, 63 rescue craft and 73 aircraft including 46 helicopters. The JSDMF (Navy) also has a role in patrolling Japanese territorial waters with 154 ships and 346 aircraft.
By contrast the current Tory caretaking of UK maritime issues is pathetic, sidelined by their focus on what is happening in Canary Wharf rather than all the other wharves around our coastline. The UK Maritime and Coastguard Agency operates rubber boats and has no maritime or coastal defence role. The UK Borders Agency operates just 5 ‘Customs Cutters’.
The UK government approach seems to be in line with everything else they do. A free for all for all foreigners with just some token protection of their own people using inadequate resources.
Colonel Mustard @ 11:20
Quote: “That unique combination of abundant verdant foliage, an earthy aroma fragranced with blossom, soft light turning from grey to saffron, a slight mist and chrystalline summer rain. It almost seemed as though England were breathing again”.
and, quote again:
“… Snow White is nodding and the bluebirds on her shoulder, just in from the White Cliffs, are trilling in delight”.
Colonel, you’re turning into a writer of best sellers for the masses here, any more of it and the image your moniker hints at ought to be replaced, no?
You should couple with Frank, his acerbic wit entwined with your poetic prose would sell faster than hot cakes on a (cold and rainy) British Summer day.
Btw, is it rainy anywhere else, or only where the barbarian happens to reside. It’s been pissing for days here, the garden looks like a swimming pool, the grass needs cutting, understandably Baron’s Honda wasn’t designed to work in water. Where TF is the global warming when one needs it?
Colonel Mustard
“Symbiosis”*? Me? No; you, perhaps. I will though sign up to the oubliette solution so that you can focus on your more interesting contributions and not run off so often.
I envy your access to the English countryside. Here, until I can regain mine, I have to whistle while I work.
*word check – ‘symbiosis’: interaction between two different organisms living in close physical association, typically to the advantage of both.
Baron
The image you conjure of the Colonel coupling with Frank is novel, but not lacking in imaginative power.
EC @ 12:44
Not that it matters what Baron thinks, EC, but he reckons Mr. Boot is Full Monty on the money in this piece, on the weaker sterling, the Kinnockio’s son’s self interest, the Russian pundits of either political orientation, the lot.
We shall see what the outcome of the deal with the cutback EU is soon, but does anyone think the Germans will do anything that will put a stop to Aldi and Lidl flogging stuff to us?
Germany has been out greatest trading partner for years, and also the country with which we’ve recorded consistently the greatest trade deficit (China, and Holland follow), the other EU countries matter less in trade, but even less in influence in the EU, it’s the Mutti who runs Brussels. How likely is it she’ll cut Germany off, ha?
Radford NG @ 13:04 and Colonel Mustard @ 13:04
Excellent!
Peter, may be we could nail the living list to the Coffee House Wall?
Traitor Heseltine has just been strutting his stuff and already floating “another referendum” (if you can call the dithering old fart’s expostulations as ‘strutting’) . He can stuff that idea up his arbour. Love the way he now talks in overblown Orksford varwells rather than in his native yakki da.
I remember the cunt when his main business was in Bayswater ‘property’. I wonder if he still acknowleges the contribution of ‘The Wizard’ in the the New Court Hotel to his family fortunes? The ‘arbour’ outside that gaff could tell a tale or two.
Miserable start in Kent but brightening up a bit now, still cloudy though and windy.
Malfleur June 26th, 2016 – 13:28
Yeah, ok I’ll give you that then, although I know what symbiosis means.
I freely admit my antipathy (not symbiosis!) to the troll and that I find it difficult to let his provocations go without response. It is the orchestrated aspects of his interventions, his disguises and his sly references to his “team” that set me off. As of he has some ordained business to monitor and intrude upon this place, rather than self-appointed mischief making. As you suggested – must try harder.
It is the English countryside that brought me back and keeps me here. I abhor its creeping urbanisation.
Baron June 26th, 2016 – 13:10
Nothing wrong with my monicker, dear old Baron! From Taillefer (“Wie wollt’ ich singen und klingen mit Schilkd und mit Schwert!”) and “Ja nus hons pris” to Thomas Moore’s minstrel boy the warrior poet has a long heritage.
The minstrel boy to the war has gone,
In the ranks of death you’ll find him;
His father’s sword he hath girded on,
And his wild harp slung behind him.
Baron 09.53
“The middle classes may rant against immigration, but they’re the major beneficiary of it. It really is, in a sense, the same as colonisation was in the 19th century except the travelling arrangements got reversed.”
Those middle classes! In reality we are talking about their replacement of the old upper class, whose boys were killed at the Somme, Passchendaele and other industrial bloodbaths. Bankrupted by the post war recession, high taxation and social change the old estates could no longer discharge their noblesse oblige.
Now they have been supplanted by the wealthy new servants of globalisation and beneficiaries of an exorbitant, protected public sector.
With a significant difference.
Unlike the old estates, which supported and provided work for their local communities The migrants provide cheap labour at low direct cost, with the extensive indirect costs of supporting their families, housing health, education etc handily transferred to the taxpayer. In the meantime UK unemployed total 4 million.
There is a fundament misunderstanding which arises when we consider the subject of ‘migration’
The rights and benefits of citizenship have now become almost inextricably entwined with the requirement to address fluctuations in the Labour market.
Having worked as an expatriate I never expected or felt entitled to citizenship of the country in which I was working. I and where applicable my family were there on sufferance, my work visa subject to revocation and under the direct responsibility of my employer for my employment. Upon the completion of my work I was required to leave. I was subject to local laws and customs. I thought all of these requirements were fair and I had no wish to change them.
How would your friends respond if, instead of you and I picking up the indirect costs of their labour, they had to stands as guarantors and for pay all the costs?
I suspect their innate business acumen would augment their new found sense of social responsibility to their countrymen and they would seek to use local people to service their requirements.
Frank P 14.15
The Wizard, Frank? Was Heseltine the indirect beneficiary of immoral earnings? I suspect I missed another strand from your fascinating tales of the Met, in the days before the majority of London’s villains and rogues weren’t in Westminster.
And where are your memoires?
I want to place an advance order to secure my copy.
Just imagine if after every general election, the losing party cobbled together a petition with 1,000,000 or more signatures, to contest the result.
To all the remainiacs; a win is a win. Get used to it and stop whingeing, whining and wailing.
North Korea calls for 2nd EU Referendum/so does Vatican City/and British Antarctica/along with every body in the Cities of London and Westminster……shum thing wrong here shurly? As they used to say in Private Eye.
Doubts being cast as to the validity of the latest petition. Parliamentary Committee for Petitions to investigate claims of fraud .
Noa
I’m quite certain he would say, “Up with that I would not put.” As did the Church Commissioners who ultimately owned most of the knockng shops in Paddington. Mens rea was always the stumbling block, legally speaking, but phoneticslly speaking, quite easy to buy in similar locations. 😉
Frank P – 17-06
Can you recall any high profile NOTW cases involving clergymen claiming they were only inspecting church premises?
eg. “The bishop looked agitated on the way in, and left in a state of flux.”
Paul Joseph Watson
“The Truth About Popular Music”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP0wuwJBdMI
So much for the claims that the older generation “stole” the EU from millennials.
imo, this video is 12 minutes of evidence based reasoning why millennials should not be allowed to vote on anything until they’ve been de-programmed!
Paul Joseph Watson
“The Truth About Modern Art”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANA8SI_KvqI
I remember Fyfe Robertson doing a “Tonight” special feature on Modern Art, which he branded “Phoney Art” or “Phart” for short. He didn’t last long at the BBC after that. Where are the reporters of his ilk now?
EC
“Where are the reporters of his ilk now?”
Brarn Bread!
A pie chart for your delectation:
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/driveby/a_trillion_here_a_trillio.php
And they are trying scare us into rescinding the BRexit vote because the pound has slightly devalued against the dollar.
The whole friggin globe is a bust-out waiting to happen. And guess who the creditors are that will be left in the lurch – you goddit folks – we the fucking peepul! The banks’ depositors.
The Beeb’s rearguard action this evening, a special QT, exposed beyond doubt what the fuckers are up to. BRexit my arse! They have no intention of allowing it to happen.
And this:
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/5minute_arguments/brexit_the_background.php
I always sussed Carswell and Hannan as Trojan Horses. (Read the comments and the Breitbart link). This is descending into a farce. Richard Kemp – where are you? Gird your loins!
Boot on BRexit and bolshie brats:
http://www.alexanderboot.com/the-young-are-the-barometer-of-a-nation/
Seems to have nailed it. Realistic pronostication is not pessimism, it’s a call to arms. What alternative have we when politicians refuse to honour a vote. The totalitarian bastards have to be ousted. This makes the MPs expenses scandal look like stealing paper clips.
Frank P @ 21:57
What a set of links for someone still in recovery, Frank.
On the debt: The $60tr of the world’s debt is still below the world’s ‘national’ product (WNP) of around $70tr plus. The debt itself though massive is not a threat in itself, the cost of servicing it is currently manageable. Baron has no idea about the cost of the servicing, but let’s assume it’s a more than generous 5%. This means that each year, the world has to find $3.0tr to pay the interest (5% on 60), which takes from the $70.tr WGP just over 4%, the other 96% or $67.2tr is still available for consumption, trade, investment, welfare, military spending and stuff of this sort.
The weakness of the above is that the argument is made at the aggregate level, in real life, it may well be that some of the smaller debtors in the pie chart may have much higher level of servicing, any default may impact those countries whose banks have it on their books, and also in that at some point in the future interest rates worldwide are likely to go up. This is when the fun will begin.
On Hannan: As a speaker, the guy would be hard to beat, here’s there with the Honorary Muslim, the short presentation was polished more than a mahogany desk in a royal household.
More to the point, his argument for brexit is exactly what mattered, still matters for the barbarian – regaining sovereignty, the placing of lawmaking into the hands of people we can vote in and out, and not about the mistakes of Schengen, immigration, the Euro or whatever. The House may have made the same mistakes, there’re enough nutters here who would have gone for it, but the beauty of sovereignty is in that we could have then kicked those who made those mistakes out of the House, go for a different team. In the EU set-up this chance exists not.
Frank P @ 22:27
Excellent argument by Mr. Boot, Frank, but akin to pissing against the wind, which is good only for someone who doesn’t mind wearing wet trousers.
Nobody serious enough to reach for a public office will ever suggest lowering of the voting age. It would be the quickest political suicide possible.
One cannot rule out that either the EU, the pro-remain MPs, or some other lobby group backed by shyster lawyers of the ‘uman rites’ phylum may have a go at revoking the result, but the likelihood of it is small. What worries the barbarian is that instead of uniting the nation, those politicians that stand to lose alot will sabotage the transfer of power, not openly, but with cunning, clandestinely, behind the closed door.
There’s a political vacuum in the country and it doesn’t solely reside between Dave’s ears. eg. BBC QT tonight – Ye Gods! – Flabbot and Soubry make a right pair!
The country is leaderless at the moment. Dave retreated into the Downing Street bunker with his muse, and
Martin Bormanerr… sorry, George Osborne appears to have done a runner.Meanwhile the Blairites are staging a putsch against Jezza, their last opportunity before the Chilcot Report is published and hopefully damns them into oblivion!
We need another Churchill to arise, but is Boris up to the job?
EC @ 18:01
Superb rant, EC, one of his best.
Years ago, on one of the BBC’s art programmes they interviewed people who had acquired pieces of this shite. One young man paid £10,000 for a white empty canvass, just that, nothing on it except the canvass itself painted over in white. The barbarian doesn’t remember what reasons he, the ‘art lover’, gave for spending that amount of money, but he remembers the sum.
One hopes he’s still enjoying looking at it.
EC @ 17:48
This lament of his, EC, links very well with Mr. Boot’s piece about the infantility of letting the young vote, because the predominant consumers of the dumbed down pop are the young.
Radford NG @ 16:56
That convinces the barbarian, Radford, the demand by North Korea to have a re-run of the vote. Let’s have it before they nuke us then.
“One hopes he is still enjoying it”
More likely he’s still enjoying the twenty grand that an even bigger twat paid for it when it ‘gained’ value. Isn’t that what this shit is all about? Barnum and Bailey flourished on the old adage. Throughout my Constabulary stint, every day at Marble arch, ‘find the lady’ tricksters worked the patch, shared the fines when nicked – and drove home st the end of ths day in BMW’s which had been parked in the Portman Hotel car park (at increasingly exorbitant rates). There are more than one born every minute, in fact. Barnum indulged in a conservative estimate.
Noa @ 16:17
Well observed, Noa.
The puzzling thing is, Noa, that after years of attempts to break the class structure here it hasn’t been dented much, it continues to flourish. The only change may have been the loss of self respect of the formerly ‘working class’ phylum, very likely because they’ve lost the means of providing for themselves, depend on the State to keep them going, no?
And though it is the young that are born every minute, a vast number of them never grow up and wise up. Greed is the motivator ‘As You Well Know’ as the troll would say.
Btw Baron, me old flower. It’s not just Boot who is pissing agin the wind, we all are and mine is still bright red currently (so to speak). 🙁
Frank P @ 23:55
Good point, Frank, but there always may not be a bigger dimwit round the corner, the tulip mania (others also) got busted eventually, and this arty crap will meet the same end, Baron reckons.
Frank P @ 00:04
Funny you should say that, Frank, the barbarian suffers from the same. Not yesterday or on Friday or Thursday after the procedure, but this afternoon it turned red. Why?
Baron blames the bloody football. Boring, even the Belgium Hungary match. The most memorable event of the tournament have been so far the fire crackers thrown into the pitch by the Croatian crowd.
What personal courage is all about:
Husband returns home, lightly drunk, smelling of perfume, lipstick on his shirt. The wife is not amused. He smiles, smack her bottom, says: ‘Now, it’s your turn’.
Have a good night sleep, boys.
Judge Janine was in fine form this week. Very keen on Brexit and thinks Trump will capitalise – and that the Septics will follow suit. So perhaps we will have a double whammy. Always supposing our treacherous bastards don’t sabotage the transition, which on day four looks all too likely. If they do, we will have to organise a 17m Independence march on Whitehall. Burst the Westminster Bubble once and for all. The fuckers are already rigging the markets and currency to prolong the scare tactics. Are there not any hackers who favour Brexit? The online petition is a piss take that needs adjustment.
Baron (0008)
Dunno yet, but tomorrow I shall again submit to the one eyed stainless steel snake to discover. I suspect a premature discharge (ha!) fom the meat factory in my case. Not enough flushing after the act, I suspect. Octagenarian bed-blockers are discouraged from hanging around. The production line can’t be halted in the NHS. Stop the fuckin’ world, I wanna get off!
On Pissing Against the Wind
Perhaps I misread Mr. Boot’s piece, but is he arguing for absolute monarchy, since everything went to the dogs in British history after Charles 1?
Frank P @ 00:26 – the double whammy
We can hope.
A media source of mine…pointed out recently that only a fraction over 3% of the population in the American colonies actively opposed unrepresented rule from London. In our present quandary,52% for Brexit (including a nod and a wink from the Queen) looks like encouragement to keep on keeping on.We do need to capture London though.
Hands across the sea Brexiters! Time for Sir Nigel to redouble his efforts! Brexit!
http://img.ozgameshop.com/posters/general/signs_+_signals/keep_calm_and_carry_on_union_jack_mini_poster_raw.jpg
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html
And behind the CIA, the globalists?
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Meanwhile, here is the article on Hockney which I quoted from to Colonel Mustard.
https://next.ft.com/content/fe1c59dc-386b-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7
Postal Vote Fraud
I was going to frame a question about this. No Wallster had mentioned it as a factor in the Brexit referendum, although I know that concern was expressed in earlier years. Then I came across the following:
3M+ ‘Remain’ Petition Uses ‘Script’ To ‘Fake’ Signatures: 25,000 From North Korea, 2,800 From Uninhabitable Antarctic
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/26/questions-raised-3m-remain-petition-activists-encourage-foreign-signatories/
This should immediately void the petition. And the usual suspects, from whom I would not exclude GEORGES SOROS and all his works, should be investigated.
Sir Nigel should state the maxim for all Brexiteers ignored disastrously (for the French) by Marshall Grouchy before Wavre: “march to the sound of the guns”
“Please, please, please, do not listen to the distorted views of the mainstream media. Yes, immigration is a major problem. But not THE REASON why the we voted to leave the EU. We as a people have demanded our country back from the unelected elites which have become our masters. An unelected EU government with no opposition, with the power to make our laws and determine how we live our lives. Immigration is a secondary topic, the economy is secondary, if we are worse off we will live with our decision. If we suffer, so be it. Our freedom and the freedom of our children is much more important. People have died in the millions to fight for this basic right. We have given a shining example of democracy to the world. We have put our country and our future above our individual interests. The British lion has awakened from a long sleep. Today I have never been more proud of the silent, decent Briton who stood up to be counted.”
— From a King World News reader in Yorkshire
http://kingworldnews.com/a-stunning-email-about-brexit-vote-as-elites-panic-and-global-collapse-edges-closer/
BREXITEERS – HANDS ACROSS THE CHANNEL!
“Civil Uprising Escalates As 8th EU Nation Threatens Referendum ”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-26/civil-uprising-escalates-8th-eu-nation-threatens-referendum
EC at 23.17
You should just hear what Anna Soubry’s constituent are saying about her.
Malfleur @ 02:34
And what’s exactly new in this piece, Malfleur?
To a man, we’ve said the same, Hannan articulated it beautifully, the unwashed backed it with their vote. Stuff like the tsunamis of immigration is but a syndrome of our inability to govern ourself. Had we been on out own the ghastly Blair would have already faced the judge, he started the open border nonsense, could get away with it because it’s the EU official policy. Let’s hope the Chilcot report gets published before we all pass away.
Not really for the barbarian to comment, Malfleur, others are better equipped, may have more to say, but that’s a rather sweeping statement to make, it ignores what came in the centuries that followed him when, if memory servers, this little, rain sodden island did reasonably well running not an unnoticeable chunk of the world, no?
Frank P @ 00:41
Good luck, fingers crossed, young sir, just keep calm, carry on.
Some of us are at that stage of our lives where the doctors patch one up, one goes on for a couple of years or so, then something else needs mending, removing, cutting , the doctors get at it, one goes for another couple to years, and so the cycles repeat. A bit of bother, but then, that’s how life is at its tail end, Frank.
Malfleur @ 02:28
That’s tricky one, Malfleur, because both sides are probably at it, (not here but in the Republic). Or is Baron wrong saying it?
Malfleur, June 27th, 2016 – 02:28
Concerns regarding Postal voting, e-Petitions, e-Polls, and manipulation of conventional polls have been mentioned several times on the CHW in the the run up to June 23rd.
Widespread concerns regularly articulated on Breitbart, Guido, and Twitter to mention a few of many other forums.
Even Dimblebore on QT yesterday couldn’t deny the fact that Vatican City only has 800 residents.
Over the years Peter has also regularly addressed these and other voting issues.
eg. http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/heres-a-policy-for-ukip-only-british-citizens-vote/
All of our concerns continue to be vindicated by skewed election results, most recently, at home in London, and abroad in Austria.
I thought the Snowflakes saying that the over 60’s shouldn’t have had a referendum vote was bad, because they had so little of their lives left 🙂 , but I have just heard a very smug Re-maniac believing that the Brexiters are only just now coming to terms with the enormity of the problems created by voting for Brexit.
Baron June 27th, 2016 – 00:08
Thank God my two episodes of red water last week turned out to be due to over indulgence in Aldi pickled beetroot!
RobertRetyred – 09:34
Freedom is so powerful it can generally only be handled by adults.
The political classes have had their noses in the trough for so long they can only focus on where their next bung or sinecure is coming from. They will not willingly give up the EU, not without a fight.
I wish that HMQ would invite Col. Kemp to take over for a while!
How typical!
The Guardian is trawling for “victims” again!
The Guardian @guardian 3m3 minutes ago
Any people from eastern Europe experienced racism in the UK since referendum result? Email sarah.marsh@theguardian.com
Let’s us all email her to give her some home truths!
Frank P,
“I always sussed Carswell and Hannan as Trojan Horses.”
Add BORIS to that list!!!
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/27/boris-floats-associate-membership-freedom-movement-maintained/
And so it came to pass…
It’s exactly as most of us feared when the EU compromised Electoral Commission awarded OUT franchise to Vote.Leave.
The establishment had an each way bet!
I do hope that Nigel Farage has got some reserves of fight left in him!
Half the shadow cabinet resigns.Dear,dear.
What a pity.How sad.
News: Osbourne tries to come in from the cold.
i think Leave means leave in English. And if you add the Leave votes that were fraudulently reversed that means a Leave vote by perhaps 60% of the voters in a 70% turnout.
If we are to have associate membership of anything, I would start negotiating with the Republic Texas in anticipation of its secession from the Federal government rather than deal with the fascists in Brussels a day longer than it takes to kick the door shut behind me..when I LEAVE
We will have to negotiate with the EU, but why do people want to negotiate what we stop doing?
I thought the whole point of the referendum result was that we started with a clean slate, with no hidden agreements about fishing, no subservience to the EU Hell Hole, and worked out what we wanted, then negotiated, as a sovereign nation should, knowing that the rest of the world still wants to do business with us, and the EU is on the road to oblivion.
EC – 10:23
Surprised that the cat is out of the bag so soon.
It might, just might, be one too many reason to not vote for this particular Eton lad, apart from not being a member of the Tory Party 🙂
Please go to next CHW for 27th/ 3rd July.
Sorry not to catch any of you chaps at “Glasto”, but I couldn’t see much through my uncontrollable tears of gratitude. When Jezza appeared on stage, with his arms outstretched, I felt as if all my birthdays had come at once.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40399192