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Clear Memories
February 25th, 2013 – 09:06
Clear Memories,
I share your grief and anger at the terrible case of a nine-year old White, English lad taking his own life because of bullying. The media reported the bullies, incorrectly as ‘asians’, but they were not Chinese, Japanese, nor any other asians, but the usual rascists, Pakistanis.
Clear Memories, I however find your paragraph, copied below. as nasty and not worthy of your usual high standards.
” Can we expect the Dugmore family to become the Lawrences of the 21st Century? Can we fuck! The Mail has already moved the story onto the back pages and the BBC have ignored it completely. They might have become cheerleaders for the oppressed if their son had big rubbery lips and an excessive suntan. As it is, they’ll be surrounded by ‘Community Officers’ to keep the BNP away and then, quietly, removed from their home and relocated where they can’t cause any trouble.”
“They might have become cheerleaders for the oppressed if their son had big rubbery lips and an excessive suntan” This is an especially ugly sentence, written along the lines of the editor of Der Sturmer, Julius Streicher . The Lawrence boy was a pleasant looking youngster, with neither distorted features and a with normal complexion for his ethnicity.
So along with many others you deride Mrs Doreen Lawrence? Do you find her refusal to just accept the death of her child and her refusal to lie down and shut up a thorn in your side? Would that more of the native white population had Mrs. Lawrence’s tenacity, intelligence and refusal to forgive and accept. Unfortunately, most of the white population, and not just the benefits dependent ‘chav’ sector, have no self-reliance, no pride and no solid family backgrounds. They breed casually without marriage, have no pride in who they are and who their children are, the majority today are illegitimate, and bear no resemblance to the upright, proud and decent English of generations past.
If they haven’t the determination to stand up for themselves and their children, will anybody else bother? No, Clear Memories, keep your anger for the very people who by not opposing, give the go-ahead to any aliens who enter this country, to take over the control of all aspects of British life, leaving the native population castrated, powerless and completely lacking in hope.
Sultan Knish has written on capital punishment in the United States.
Of one convicted mass murderer’s lawyers he writes:-
“..They claimed that his trial lawyers were incompetent, that he was abused as a child and that he had mental problems. That same claim is made by the defenders of nearly every murderer on death row. There has yet to be an inmate on death row who isn’t a mentally ill child who was sexually abused by his incompetent lawyers…”
Mr Greenfield is definitely the Sultan of Swing
http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/to-kill-murderer.html
“The First Thing We Do, Let’s Kill All the Lawyers”
– always excepting our esteemed co-pundit Mr Barry of course.
And Boot, do see Boot, in the land of the insane we, the less mad, are saner than the lunatics running the asylum, maybe.
And truth is relative to the ones in dire straits, if not in the straight jackets from which they have slipped, abeit that relative is a native bred mutant, mucolipidosic 75% Bradford born first cousin relative whose staring you in the face with three eyes.
http://alexanderboot.com/content/reading-papers-such-fun-especially-psychiatrists
AWK – thank you for a superb, articulate and thoughtful post above.
It raises the question (again and again and again) of why the British, in one generation, allowed themselves to be bullied into giving up their country, for which thousands, or it may be tens of thousans, gave their lives for.
How did it happen that the left and its toxic mindset – masquerading as saint-like broad-mindedness – prevail? Why did the British let the left – when so many thousands sacrificed their lives to defeat Hitler – prevail? It beggars belief.
How did the British population at large decide to vote for national suicide? The one exception was Margaret Thatcher. Other than that, since the horrors of WWII, the British have descended into what we now term “political correctness” but is really just base surrender in exchange for free medical, free housing a<nd (work-)free money.
It couldn't have happened without the bien pensants … but tell me, what motivated them? What so twisted normal thinking that they beavered night and day to destroy Britain and the British … far worse than Hitler would have done had he succeeded, as he admired Britain.
Yet we have had 50 years of the hard Left (special credit to the toxic BBC which I would like to see blown up. Not just closed down, but blown up. Get the cleaners and security guards out, then press the plunger. It sprayed the toxin around lavishly and tirelessly.
So what did our brave fighting men and women – and all the innocents who were "bombed out" as the phrase had it – make their sacrifices for? To make the world safe for paki and African immigrants? To assure them of a good, pleasant, work-free life with accommodation, food and fags paid for by the British worker?
This is why I left Britain. It made me sick.
What is more, the BBC is every bit as controlling and merciless as Hitler (although they make an exception in the case of paedophiles). You will spout the Thought Nazi line or you will be chucked out, or they will mount an ongoing broadcast campaign against you.
I have written here before that it is possibly the most toxic entity in Britain and should be blown up with all hands on board (save the security guards and canteen workers) and left to detox for seven years before any building permits are issued for new build.
Inappropriate – I hate that word. The Cardinal is in trouble for “inappropriate behaviour” ; And that fact libdem Lord is accused of “inappropriate behaviour” (both according to BBC news just now).
It’s one of those words which, like ‘abuse’, can be used to describe something relatively trivial while always conferring the greatest condemnation.
And anyway, it doesn’t actually mean what they seem to think it means.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 February 25th, 2013 – 11:17
Hello Anne.
Anne I invariably agree and concur with your posts and comments and I, like you do find some of what Clear Memories wrote as somewhat vulgar and not to his usual high standard.
However he is correct in his assumption that the crime against the Dugmore boy will soon disappear from the media and will very quickly be a non event but then he is a white English boy and as such does not and will not attract the attention that he would most certainly have had were he to be an innocent little black boy.
You have accused him and unspecified others of deriding Mrs Doreen Lawrence.
I am not too sure that he did; nor that it was his intent and we can all agree that this unfortunate lady has had to endure the dreadful unimaginable horror of loosing a much loved son and the break up of her marriage as a result of a dastardly crime.
However I do wish that in her campaign to root out racism from our society she might just occasionally find words to condemn the black on black and black on white killings and ever present violence in our larger cities.
Finally you were right to upbraid Clear Memories for the use of intemperate language but then you went a smidgen over the top with you’re:-
“Unfortunately, most of the white population, and not just the benefits dependent ‘chav’ sector, have no self-reliance, no pride and no solid family backgrounds” etcetera.
I am sure that is not true.
O-oh, I do love it when the newspapers report that the LibDems are going to get to the bottom of something…anything.
It’s déjà vu all over again…The seventies were such fun.
Austin Barry (01:21) & Ostrich (occasionally) (14:30)
Glad to see you back – and in peak form, Austin.
I can only agree that this latest attempt by the LibDump ‘party’ to prove that there is a slight trace of testosterone in the entirety of their meat package is hilarious. The FSA (the food one – not the financial one) should conduct the ‘party’s’ ‘independent’ enquiry with the help of a forensic lab managed by a UKIP supporter.They should insist that Rennard should supply a sample of his Oaten Hair Gel or maybe a 100ml of his Golden Rain). They should be able to get a result from either.
Remember – Cleggover pulled a similar stroke when he was vying for the ‘party leadership’ and ‘confessed’ that he had shagged thirty different women.
Bwaaahahahahahahaha! I wonder if that was in thirty different wet dreams
or just one reverie of an orgiastic gang bang at a Great George Street wankfest?
If the people of Eastleigh fall for this wheeze they deserve any ensuing misfortune that befalls them. But then: they voted for Huhne, so nothing would surprise me. Must be all those yacht club folks and ex-matelots that wash up in the area from Soton, Pompey and the I o W.
(Present company excepted O(o), I accept your word for it that you mercantile marauders were awash with machismo). 🙂
Btw. where’s ACP when the Oaten Hair Gel is flying.
You’ve coined a beauty there Mr Barry. Real mileage in that one.
Ostrich (occasionally) writes: “O-oh, I do love it when the newspapers report that the LibDems are going to get to the bottom of something…anything.” … or someone.
Frank P February 25th, 2013 – 14:38
“I wonder if that was in thirty different wet dreams or just one reverie of an orgiastic gang bang at a Great George Street wankfest?”
Or possibly as a result of having the occasional massage at some venue where one might well ask for extras?
I note the word ‘vulgar’ is being bandied about in this parish today. Hmmm….
Lest we forget:
From the Online Dictionary:
vulgar·ness n.
Word History: The word vulgar now brings to mind off-color jokes and offensive epithets, but it once had more neutral meanings. Vulgar is an example of pejoration, the process by which a word develops negative meanings over time. The ancestor of vulgar, the Latin word vulgris (from vulgus, “the common people”), meant “of or belonging to the common people, everyday,” as well as “belonging to or associated with the lower orders.” Vulgris also meant “ordinary,” “common (of vocabulary, for example),” and “shared by all.” An extension of this meaning was “sexually promiscuous,” a sense that could have led to the English sense of “indecent.” Our word, first recorded in a work composed in 1391, entered English during the Middle English period, and in Middle English and later English we find not only the senses of the Latin word mentioned above but also related senses. What is common may be seen as debased, and in the 17th century we begin to find instances of vulgar that make explicit what had been implicit. Vulgar then came to mean “deficient in taste, delicacy, or refinement.” From such uses vulgar has continued to go downhill, and at present “crudely indecent” is among the commonest senses of the word.
[end of quote]
And ‘pejoration’ is at the root of ‘political correctness’. So steady up, guys ad gals. Delete ‘vulgarity’, in all its shades of meaning above, from this platform and it would become akin to the Parish Magazine.
In fact most of us here would immediately qualify for the AdLibDumb Party, particularly those of us ‘of, or belonging to, the Common People’. Just sayin’.
Frank P
“And ‘pejoration’ is at the root of ‘political correctness’. So steady up, guys ad gals. Delete ‘vulgarity’, in all its shades of meaning above, from this platform and it would become akin to the Parish Magazine.”
A fair point; well made.
David Ossitt (15:27)
Yerrrss! “Massage received. Over and out.” (as the masseuse dismissively said to the punter, handing him a tissue and pocketing the ‘extra’). In the case of the LibDems, perhaps that should be ‘masseur’!
I wonder whether or not David Sullivan and his crew have latched on to the idea of bottling Oaten Hair Gel for sale at his ‘Adult Warehouses’. That is the correct spelling for ‘Warehouses’, isn’t it?
AWK: I too applaud your distrust of the language used in Clear Memories’ post but like David Ossitt I find your assertion that what most whites are like to be insulting and over the top and frankly beneath what we know you are capable of.
The British are, like most Europeans and now the Americans, witnessing a kind of leftish coup and the system is not working for them. They don’t have clear cut political choices and find themselves unable to decipher the situation.
And if you are going to accuse ppl of sounding like Der Sturmer, then I have to say that you yourself sound like an intolerant fascist when you describe lesbians and gays as “freaks and oddballs” which you did last week.
PS – AWK, I am not in favour of gay marriage or ideological gay politics. I just find that ad hominem attacks against mostly harmless people tends to empower political correctness and strengthens our enemies.
Dean Street, having read your second post, above, to AWK, I tend to agree with you. I agree that most gays just go about their lives, turning up to work or running businesses, paying their bills, enjoying an occasional dinner out … just like everyone else.
Sky News on Cardinal O’Brien: “…this is not the messy end he would have chosen!”
Hmmnn … Does nobody edit the wordage of their on-camera reporters? Or do they do it deliberately?
Verity 16:39 “I agree that most gays just go about their lives ….”
Apart from the star performers:
http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/the-coffee-house-wall-14th20th-january/#comment-15588
David Ossitt
February 25th, 2013 – 14:19
Dear David, I used strong language and went over the top because I am very angry with people who because of ‘good manners, it isn’t nice to yell’ have allowed Britain to become the preferred home for the scum of the world. Verity comes nearest to my stance with her hurt and rage at how the demolishment of all our ethics, standards and way of life has occured with hardly a peep from the establishment. I repeat, where is the white man or woman who as Doreen Lawrence fights for the black youth, will stand up and be counted? I haven’t seen any white citizen actively demanding that our children be safe. Where are the guardians of decency to protect poor unloved white girls, abused, branded and subjected to abortions (some at the age of 12)? Yes, if it had been black children there would have been public outrage, because unlike the white sector, despite all their faults (and who is faultless?) the black community has more than one Doreen L. rooting for them. I apologise for my rough language, and should edit posts before sending them.
Dean Street
February 25th, 2013 – 16:1
Dear Dean, the posting above to David Ossit is also for you. Yes, I am intolerant of lesbians and homosexuals. I don’t object to what they do providing its ‘not in my face’. I am heartily sick of their running the BBC and a lot of the media and pushing their message under my nose. I admit I am very against same-sex marriage, it is against the teachings of both my own religion and the Christian church. Civil partnerships, well that is a different ballgame. Doesn’t concern me, and has no religious context. That should be enough for them, and more than a majority of the population even bother with today. No, I am against the mores of today. I believe a child needs a father and mother who are married to eah other and not ‘partners’who just change when the going gets rough. Yes, I am a woman nearer eighty than seventy, so in this modern world I am not a respected wise woman but a rotten old fogey, codger, old bag et al. Anyway, I like you Dean, and hope we are still friends.
Verity: Thank the Lord for you Verity. We seem to sing from the dame song sheet. I have a silly idea – maybe a fun one. When you return to the UK maybe we can meet up in London for a traditional English tea – scones, sandwiches, and proper tea. We could pick a date and time, and wear a red carnation (Noel Coward’s favourite button hole flower) as we both admire his work. We could go to Fortnum & Mason (Lyons Corner House no longer exist) and the Ritz teas are not what they were. If we are both broke we could pick a greasy spoon at one of the London train stations! If you think it is a good idea we could ask Peter of M. to facilitate our meeting.
AWK – A outraged white person would not be “allowed” (as in given mega-negative publicity) if they spoke up for white children, and would be dubbed “prejudiced” or, more damning still, “racist” on the BBC. The (publicly-funded-at-the-point-of-a-gun) BBC would broadcast nothing but negative coverage if a white mother tried to fight her family’s corner, as Mrs Lawrence did.
frank p – 17:14
Indeed, Frank, as I tried to insinuate at 14:30
AWK1 – 17:57
“We seem to sing from the ‘dame’ song sheet.”
Yessss!!!
AWK – Thanks for the suggestion and we will have to figure out how to do it. I will be going up to Scotland, to be with my family. I am not sure, but I think the final leg of our flight goes direct to Edinburgh. I would love to meet you, and perhaps once I have found a flat and am settled in, we could arrange to meet half way. York, pehaps? If that doesn’t suit you, I am willing to entertain an alternative proposal.
“That is the correct spelling for ‘Warehouses’, isn’t it?”
You’re on fine form today, Frank.
🙂
Frank P – ha ha ha ha ha!
Loathing Rupert Murdoch as I do, I picked up a frayed copy of The Sun on Sunday yesterday to read about Aaaron Dugmore.
What struck me as I flicked through the wretched rag was where the story was.
It was buried in the middle.
This is the paper whose own editor at the time of 7/7 admitted publishing a story about the Queen’s rubber duck on the front page a few days after 7/7 to quell public anger.
They know full well the significance of that story and they buried it.
Because the boy was white.
He died. For being white.
How blunt does this LibLabCon’s genocide have to be before people wake up?
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 at 17:33 and 17:50
Hello Anne, wise words and I do understand your anger and frustration.
Your written opinions are very similar to those that my own wife repeats to me on a daily basis and in the main I agree with both of you.
Chin up.
Watching Inside Out on BBC1.
Thousands upon thousands of garages and sheds in Brent Council (where they’re filming – there are loads elsewhere, mainly in London) converted into illegal dwellings.
All the illegal dwellings in back gardens they have shown are owned by…
And when they went to the estate agents, were rented by…
You can fill in the gaps.
AWK1 (17:50)
Right on Anne! Sock it to ’em!
As for ‘most gays just going about their lives’, of course some do. And with the homosexual cult the ‘nicer’ they are, the more dangerous they are in my opinion. This opinion is based on what I have observed through both personal experience and professional observation.
To let the cult loose in schools, or take holy orders; or infiltrate social services and childrens’ homes – without let; or to adopt children by any method, natural or IVF, are crimes against humanity, imnsho. Marriage is the latest target of its predatory advance. Madness!
Hasn’t the recent history of the scandals of perversion wised up you ‘tolerant’ folks? The cult of homosexuality relies on tolerance, but is never satisfied with that, it demands that the perversion be regarded as ‘normal’. It wants the intolerable not only to be acceptable, but anyone who disagrees with that p.o.v to be outlawed. It is most dangerous when children (and a child is someone who has not attained the age of 18 in my opinion), of either gender (and there are de facto only two) pass through the early stages of sexual awareness (earlier and earlier it seems). Grooming is much easier then. The sexual urge can be channelled and nurtured in the hands of a practised pervert. Many have boasted to me about it – of both genders. The rescinding of Section 28 was a serious mistake. The left have facilitated this, because it is part of the plan. Useful idiots of all minorities have been used by the left – and those minorities have, overall, consented to their politicisation because it gives them power to both recruit and pervert.
The number of people who are born with skewed gender is minimal; innate ‘homosexuality’ is not nearly as prevalent as claimed by activists. Nature deals some a bad hand genetically and sympathy is appropriate in those cases. But nurture is the bigger problem and the vulnerable should be protected from predators. Homosexuality has become a back scratching mafia. Just take a look at the BBC as just one example. As for the Catholic Church? Ask the outgoing Pontiff and the unprovidential Scottish Pope. Don’t take my word for it. And don’t think it’s confined to Catholicism. Abused trust in all denominations is prevalent.
It’s about opportunity and exercise of power over the vulnerable.
Its infiltration of all the Offices of State continues apace – as part of the Long March. And one of the ploys of the perverted is to accuse anybody that expresses antipathy towards sodomy or Sapphoism of being ‘a latent queer’ themselves. which is why most folks don’t speak out. Now the ‘gay’ activists within the police are only too keen to frighten off stated disapproval by ‘visits’ to dissenters. It is all deeply insidious.
Don’t be fooled by ‘nice’, keep your backs to the wall or your hand on your ha’penny – as my old granny would have put it – and most of all – know where your kiddiewinks are – and with whom they are left alone.
Unless, of course, you are as bent as a clockwork orange; in which case get outta my face! Both socially and politically. I am not your friend.
Ostrich (occasionally)
February 25th, 2013 – 18:05
It was a typing mistake and not a Freudian slip 😉
AWK1 – 19:55
“It was a typing mistake and not a Freudian slip 😉 ”
Oh, what a pity…
And the line I SHOULD have added, if my mouse finger hadn’t been too itchy:
“There ain’t nuthin’ like a dame.”
Frank P
February 25th, 2013 – 19:44
Great post, Frank.
You explain the situation so well. What have we ever done to bring such madness upon us? The BBC has done and is doing a lot to assist this evil.
A note on UKIP in Eastleigh.
I have not followed the by-election until this weekend.
I had hoped there was method in what Nigel Farage was doing and I think there is.
I think he has learnt from Rotherham not to go to the mainstream media.
The MSM knows Farage is an adept interviewee and so instead focus on smearing inexperienced UKIP candidates.
It’s called sniper journalism. You just pick the weak spot and watch it melt in the media spotlight.
If the Eastleigh UKIP candidate went on TV or gave heavyweight press interviews they’d be toast by now.
The Tories even stopped their candidate going to the hustings, because she was a novice.
They know exactly what happens to novices.
They do character assassination themselves, usually with the help of their mainstream media allies, which non-mainstream parties don’t have.
It always strikes me as a massive mistake for any non-mainstream party to try to get an equal footing with the mainstream parties either on TV or in the heavyweight media.
They have the internet now and that is their best chance to get a fair hearing in public.
The BBC, for example, pretends to ‘give people a platform’, but all it ever does is rig the debate and conduct covert character assassinations with ‘unbiased’ presenters using a tone never used with LibLabCon.
The heavyweight papers, for example The Telegraph and Spectator, constantly moderate (censor) reader comments or erase them completely.
This is why the elites hate the internet.
It’s the closest the non-mainstream gets to a fair hearing.
I’ve also noticed since The Spectator and Telegraph switched to a reader comments system called Disqus, how much it actually seems slanted towards monitoring readers’ views, as opposed to allowing them to be aired.
It looks as though it’s all collated very efficiently for the authorities.
That’s why they like people to log in.
Big Brother can read your complete Disqus file, all under the guise of being ‘user friendly’.
I am not a fan of Nick Griffin but he really made his biggest mistake by going on Question Time.
I cannot understand why he thought that would symbolise his entrance into the mainstream political fray.
He was, quite predictably, destroyed. I think that night destroyed his party.
Back to Farage, I don’t think UKIP will win, but the internet represents the best hope they have (before Leveson censors and closes us all down).
I think they’ll have decent showing.
LibLabCon have no grassroots now. The majority of people who might be inclined to politcal party grassroots (ie, they are engaged on a daily basis) are in cyberspace now.
The further away from mainstream media sites they operate, the better.
Interestingly, in pre-internet days, MPs used to pass constituents’ letters to Big Brother after 8 or so had been received.
I think 8 used to be the point at which they’d think ‘this person is politically active, we need to know what they think’.
If you were writing about immigration you might get an automatic referral.
I read recently that almost all post World War II serious art is about colonial guilt.
I look at the Oscar shortlist and think, yes.
Lincoln, Django Unchained, Argo, Zero Dark Thirty. All of them, to a greater or lesser extent, are about demonising the West.
What really astonishes, though, is the idea of collective guilt.
Who signed up to colonialism in the UK, for example?
A handful of the rich. The people in charge. No one else.
But if there is ever a suggestion of colective guilt by Muslims for Muslim terrorist atrocities, it’s ‘stereotyping’.
Yet every Muslim reads The Koran (many learn it off by heart), so they know every word of what they are signed up to.
Every one follows the Muslim faith follows this teaching from The Koran: ‘Make war on the unbelievers’.
But there’s no collective guilt expected of them.
But everyone – even the descendants of peasants – in the UK bears collective responsibility for colonialism.
I think we’re being fed a pack of lies, politically and culturally.
Steven Spielberg thinks most of the films made in the past 20 years are well below the standard before then.
I think this is true. I have not seen any of this year’s Oscar films, nor do I want to.
Even the bien pensant reviewers say no one could watch Argo twice.
I think a lot of this has to do with politcal correctness. So much is off limits. How many white villains can you have?
A fair bit is to do with the fact that Hollywood churns out films like a conveyor belt, but I do think nobody is allowed to put anything daring on screen any more.
I notice the latest fashionable musical in London is The Book of Mormon.
Why Mormons?
Anyone been threatened by Mormons, lately?
Anyone’s lives so impinged upon by Mormons they need to satirise them?
It’s just another safe target dressed up as being daring.
As much as I enjoy reader comments on the Telegraph and Spectator, the posters must beware that all their hard work is only propping up the mainstream media.
People only re-visit those pages to see the debate. Not because they particularly like the original post by the journalist.
The Mail’s comments are much poorer.
Whatever, I do wish people would use non-mainstream sites.
I was told recently that MailOnline’s profits have gone up dramatically.
I asked why.
Nearly every news story now has to carry an embedded video and the story will say ‘see video of…’
Before the video plays, an ad plays. That’s how revenues have soared.
It’s also why there is almost nothing worth watching whenever the Mail has an embedded video.
By the time you realise there’s nothing to look at, you’ve watched the advert!
I clicked the other week on footage of the Birmingham terrorists being arrested.
There was nothing to see.
The only thing of note was that to avoid any bad publicity the police just pulled the car over very casually and got them all to step out very casually.
All the show offy shouting and screaming that used to happen on such arrests has stopped in case Shami gets the video.
No matter. She’ll find something else to whinge about.
Rhian – 21:09
What really astonishes, though, is the idea of collective guilt.
Who signed up to colonialism in the UK, for example?
A handful of the rich. The people in charge. No one else.
Hm-m…yes, I see the point you’re trying to make.
‘Way back in the past, when we arrived in Malaysian ports and were entertained ashore by our agency, the lunch would start off nice and politely,
lots of pleasantries but, after a couple of Anchor beers one of our hosts would usually try to engage us in discussions about English colonial crimes. (It didn’t help that our Chief Engineer had exactly the same name as someone from the
18th century East India Company, whom they are taught in school to demonise.) Anyway, it totally rocked then back on their feet to find that we, personally, felt no guilt, nor felt any moral inferiority to them over the colonial era. It was an education to them to discover that we felt the past was “nothing to do with us.” that we’d had no part in it and that we simply wished to be treated as they found us.
They must have accepted our viewpoint, because on later visits the lunch invitations still continued.
The problem with Malaysians is they’re islamics. I don’t know whether you know, but Malaysians get a pass on all exams at school and university with only 80% of the required marks. They have recognised that most of them don’t have the intelligence of the Indians or the Chinese (the Straits Chinese, who sailed down from China to escape persecution and stopped at the Straits of Malaysia, hence the name) and the Indian descendents of the people the British brought out from India to work on the rubber plantations.
Two very clever races.
I think it was Prime Minister Mahathir, himself a Malaysian, but exceptionally clever, articulate and astute, who brought in a law that native Malays, or Bhumiputeras (people of the soil), could get pass marks at school and uni with only 80% of the required marks.
The Wily Orang-Utan
“Affirmative action” is built into the Malaysian Constitution. May be we should try it for the English?
I must admit to never having read the Malaysian Constitution, Malfleur, and I realise that your comment that we should try it was wry … but it wouldn’t work because we are the intelligent people with an old society and the incomers are the primitives (except the Indians).
It strikes me that Britain has, in any event, already followed your suggestion by dumbing down curricula so that even the dimmest incomer can get a pass mark.
What is needed is a revolution. This government is treacherous, as are all its appendages. You could start regaining control of your own country by dismantling every quango and dismissing every leech “serving” on them.
Just for kicks, I googled “quangoes” and note that there are 766 quangoes in Britain. Headed by unelected people, and officed andstaffed up on your taxes. To govern you. Yet are, being unelected, unaccountable to you.
You are paying for the knife that is slitting the throat of your country and your ancient, indigenous society.
How long are you going to let governments use your ancient country and society as their milkiing cow?
If I had voting privileges, such as you accord the flood of “immigrants” (invaders) to your shore, I would campaign to remove all “immigrants” aka “malicious, spiteful, ignorant free-loaders”, from Britain’s shores. There must be some capacious cattle boats for hire somewhere. You could jam them in and ship them to their cesspit of origin, or you could simply ferry them and their crap belongings over to France, or anywhere, really … and see what happens.
Whatever, I hope UKP wins the upcoming election in wherever-it-is.
Meanwhile, I wonder if there are any all-night supermarkets around here. I might swing over for some bananas.
The Wily Orang-Utan
I am sure that, in principle, you don’t need voting privileges to start campaigning in Britain. What else can be holding you back…?
It was an eye-opener for me when I went to live in the USA many years ago how I was able to do pretty much everything an American could do, except vote.
The Wily Orang-Utan
Of course, depending on the target of your campaign, you may encounter a little unconstitutional tsouris…
http://www.newenglishreview.org/bloga.cfm/blog_id/47756/Six-Men-Plead-Not-Guilty-to-Plotting-Terrorist-Attack-Against-EDL
Zowie! Sultan Knish has a dynamite blog running right now, on the death penalty!
http://sultanknish.blogspot.mx/ Go thither and gulp it down … and that includes the comments column – especially the last comment (as of this writing) about Singapore. http://sultanknish.blogspot.mx/
(I don’t know why his address has .mx in it, but his blog seems to pick up whatever country someone is in and morph into that country’s address. I think you can just type sultanknish.blogspot though. Or perhaps add .uk or wherever. I orignally keyed in sultanknigh.au the first time I went there that is what I copied, although I wasn’t in au. But anyway, just go!)
Anyway, go thither!
Forgive me if I abandon my customary vulgar (see 15:30 above) and flippant modus operandi and morph into really serious shit mode … as I am occasionally wont to do (or at least attempt):
Something has just been passed on to me that makes extremely interesting reading, as it touches on the politicisation of the police, which has been oft discussed here by several of the regular renegades – including myself. The essay is a comprehensive analysis of the class system in America, in the context of the rise and fall of previous Empires/Civilisations; its prognostications are chilling and in many ways pertinent to our own society and government.
The preamble is by David Galland of the Casey Research Blog (motto: ‘Personal Freedom Through Financial Freedom’) which purports to advise citizens of the USA about what they should do to protect themselves in these times of global financial instability.
You could, though, skip the intro by Galland (interesting though it is – if you’re a geek) and cut to the chase, which is the essay I refer to in my second paragraph, by Pete Kofod, captioned “The Rise of The Praetorian Class”:
http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/rise-praetorian-class
I found it utterly riveting; it chimes exactly with what so many of us have tried to project in our whimsical ways on this and other blogs over the past decade. It is a cracker! Essential reading if you really want to figure out where we are headed.
Nicholas, in particular to note (and Well Wisher :-)) with whom it will chime in particular, given their erstwhile essays on history and matters military hereupon and at the ‘other place’. Noa too has something in common with Kofod and I’m sure our two stalwart ladies will agree with much of it, particularly in the parallels drawn between the Third Reich and what is fast approaching in the West.
The advice thereafter is only really pertinent if you are a US citizen and if you have money invested, or to invest (though I suppose the general principles would apply here given that assumption).
As one of the erstwhile ‘Praetorian Class’ having participated in three discrete (and at times discreet) modes thereof, I can vouch for the truth of many of Mr Kofod’s assertions about the nature of the armed services, policing, and the present day’s security agencies; their recent commercial ‘security’ tack-ons, jobsworths and divers day-glo jacketed oiks who have granted authority over hoi polloi.
Painful to read in parts for those of us who have been there, done that and got the T shirts, putty medals and accolades, but I’d plead that it was different 30 – 60 years ago when I played my part in less politicised; more independent and objective set-ups. Anyway, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it, but the full historical significance of the recent developments has never been more cogently argued, in my humble opinion, than in Pete Kofod’s analysis. I recommend a glass of Laphroaic as you read it, Austin, if you’re still around. Don’t be a stranger. btw. I miss the foil.
O (o) – hot toddy for you. David O – read it to the missus, she’ll love it, mine did.
Peter, you’ll find him more interesting than Antonio G (always supposing you haven’t been converted and joined the Long March) so please put those prison scribblings down and give your eyes a treat with the above link). 🙂
As for Malfleur, he may even extract from it some comforting stimuli to discuss further the plight of the young and feisty Paul Harris.
Clear Memories will not doubt agree with many of the assertions of Pete Kofod and probably paraphrase them a little more colourfully.
WTF is ACP?
EC is excused, I know he’s busy with real life at the moment. As for the rest of you renegades – enjoy. I know you will. If you don’t – it would be interesting to read why not. My only disappointment with the piece is that the MSM are not really castigated, but I suppose it’s implied and he probably has to make a living with his keyboard and doesn’t want to bite the hand that feeds him.
Now I’m off to have nightmares about the Fourth Reich; mind you if Angela is wearing her jackboots – no, belay that! Achtung! Perish the thought – not even if they were thigh length, I still wouldn’t.
There I go again, back into to default mode.
Before I boot out, here’s another blog and piece by Pete Kofod:
http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2011/12/15/fascism-for-dummies.html
Another little historical masterpiece.
As a disinterested observation, I would say that if, as alleged, six gentlemen named Mohammed Hasseen, Jewel Uddin, Omar Mohammed Khan, Anzal Hussain, Zohaib Ahmed and Mohammed Saud spent time between May and July of last year trying blow up the EDL, Paul Harris must have been doing something right.
Malfleur (03:35)
Perhaps his trip to Norfolk was undercover as a Fed Witness – what better place to
hole up? Interesting. 🙂
Health warning! If you keep clicking into Kofod’s sub-links you will arrive in a world that frightens the shit out me – and I’m not easily frit. So beware!
These labyrinthine intertubes all lead, look good intentions, to Hades.
His video about the Fed Reserve is mind boggling. even worse than Angie in thigh-length jackboots. Now I really must hit the sack.
I wondered how long it might be. Now the allegations against Lord Rennard have been referred to the Met’s ‘Special Investigations Command’.
And does anyone else think it somewhat suspicious that allegations against Cardinal Keith O’Brien, made by other priests, suddenly emerge after the resignation of the Pope and in a power vacuum where the conservative and “progressive” factions of the Roman Catholic church are in conflict? O’Brien was targeted as ‘Bigot of the Year’ in 2012 by Stonewall for his opposition to homosexual marriage. The allegations were made 3 priests and a former priest in February before the Pope’s resignation was announced. O’Brien would have been the only British Cardinal to vote in the election of the new Pope.
I’m guessing, just guessing mind, that the new Pope will be a “progressive”.
Frank P – 03:42
“..Perhaps his trip to Norfolk was undercover as a Fed Witness – what better place to
hole up? Interesting.”
Are you trying to tell us something Frank? 😉
AWK1 – for whatever reason, I have not been able to raise the site today. But now the sun is over the yardarm, dinner has been consumed, along with a couple of bottles of home-brew beer (the Aussies only make piss) and a bottle of local Sauvignon Blanc, I can respond to your offended post.
In the first instance, I don’t actually know who Julius Streicher is and I can’t be bothered to look him up – I took my irony re Afro-Caribbean’s from a famous NTNOCN sketch, but left out the curly hair reference. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO8EpfyCG2Y). Look a little further into the interweb and you’ll find the photos of the ‘lovely boy’ were cropped to hide his fingers making gang signs. Whilst that doesn’t necessarily justify his death, let us be clear that nothing is as black and white as the Lawrence supporters would have us believe.
As for Mrs Lawrence, she has, at best, been manipulated by the leftist intelligentsia and at worst colluded with them. Never have I seen her commenting upon the black-on-black violence that besmirches the UK, nor even mention the massive disparity between black-on-white violence against white-on-white violence. I suggest you check the Home Office figures for the correct statistics. I’m afraid the old adage relating to jungles and savages etc etc is sadly proven correct. While you’re at it, you might ask yourself why we have Operation Trident, an operation that exists only to deal with the rampaging ni**ers on our streets – oops, used the N-word and that’s only available to blacks. Can’t even call a Labrador by his traditional name now.
And your attack on the whites? “..breed casually without marriage, have no pride in who they are and who their children are, the majority today are illegitimate….” Can you hear yourself? Are you not describing the major problem that afflicts the descendants of the Windrush or simply stating the problem that afflicts Africa to this day? Just because we have an underclass of white scum, that doesn’t in any way justify what has happened. That white scum has arisen because the left, the BBC, the Guardian and all the other media shites have colluded to tell them how useless they are. They have been sacrificed upon the altar of political correctness, being told as working class whites how useless and bigoted they are (remember Mrs Duffy?) and passing through the education system looking up from the bottom of the pile as all the monies are poured upon those with big, rubbery lips and tight, curly hair.
Sorry Lady, the Lawrence incident has been exploited by the left for far too long; it has done irreparable damage to UK society and tarred (ho-ho) far too many with the brush of racism. In this latest case, a white 9 year old has terminated his life because of the bullying of Muslims. Kids at that age know nothing, so whilst young Dugmore had his mind at home filled with, perhaps, James and the Giant Peach, his schoolfriends were being told by their Fathers that they were the inheritors of the Earth, the followers of the true religion and that the whites were just scum and would burn in hell. They were brutalised and forced to learn by rote the most disgusting document written by man after Mein Kampf. And accept it as truth.
Again, sorry Dear Lady, it is all one and the same, much of a muchness. I don’t care how much Doreen Lawrence has ‘suffered’ because she has more than made up for it by damaging the UK, possibly beyond repair. I do care about the Dugmores because they, most probably, fell for the stories and thought their little boy was perfectly safe in the multi-culti mess that is Birmingham’s education system. And, like Doreen, they lost their child.
My argument is that they won’t get a good seat in Rio. They won’t even be remembered by then.
Well, here it is at last…the ribbon for the new Arctic Star:
https://fbstatic-a.akamaihd.net/rsrc.php/v2/y4/r/-PAXP-deijE.gif
🙂
Sorry, that link doesn’t work. Should have tested it before posting.
Here’s one that does…
http://www.rfa-association.org.uk/images/misc_pics/Arctic%20Star.JPG
🙂
It is pointless attacking Cameron or contributing to right wing factionalism. The real enemy is the real left and in the UK that means Labour and their runt party the Lib Dems. By focussing all and every attack on them Cameron’s appeasement and mimicry policies will be indirectly attacked and undermined anyway.
By focussing on Cameron and UKIP factionalism, Labour are getting a soft ride, able to exploit the idea of splits, able to characterise the “far right” and able to evade scrutiny of their own appalling record and dangerous policies.
If you want to attack Cameron, then attack the source of his policies, attack Labour. If Labour win the next election we get the organ grinder rather than the monkey. Focus on the monkey and the organ grinder continues making his music.
Attack Labour. Always attack Labour.
Clear Memories
February 26th, 2013 – 09:30
Good morning,
I hope we are debating in a civilised manner snd not arguing! Before we commence, I must say that I envy you ‘down there’, sunshine, a whole new life and above all away from the miseries driving many of us to despair. I’ll just reply to a couple of your points: “While you’re at it, you might ask yourself why we have Operation Trident, an operation that exists only to deal with the rampaging ni**ers on our streets – oops, used the N-word and that’s only available to blacks.” Trident was formed by the same PC wankers who allowed a Black Policeman’s Organisation to exist. The so-called liberals are determined to maintain segregation ON THEIR TERMS. Next, the horrible sexual and social mores now prevalent here are imitations of the ‘shacking up’ society introduced by uneducated immigrants to Britain. Unfortunately, illegitimacy is the nom today, and if you can move yourself to check up you will find that at least 48% of the babies born today do not have married parents. Rather sadly, you say you are not interested in whom Julius Streicher was. Please do look him up and you will find out what a monster he was. He published cruel and obscene articles and drawings of Jews in Nazi Germany, a clever man who used his talents for pure evil. He was sentenced to death at the ed of the War. Finally, “I don’t care how much Doreen Lawrence has ‘suffered’ because she has more than made up for it by damaging the UK, possibly beyond repair.” Well, that is you, and it is not for me or anybpdy else to abraid or condemn you.
Frank P
Many thanks for the link to Mr Kafod’s post on the Praetorian class. It’s an interesting and, as they say, inciteful piece and having skim read it, I will certainly re-read it at a slower, thinking pace.
I can agree with much of his hypothesis. Though I think his model of the state and its three components of an Economic class, a Political class and the Praetorian class, is partial and flawed.
He surely forgets his Coriolanus though, as he has entirely forgotten his plebeian class! Far more than the productive Economic class, which sustains them, and so means it is in the interests of both the Political class and the Praetorians to protect, the plebeians produce nothing-except votes.
As the Political class wanted to retain power so it was necessary for the plebeians to be bribed, the non working Roman citizenry, were promised free grain and public games and so the welfare state was born!
Of course the source of the grain and games was the out voted and now disenfranchised milch cow Economic class. It is pillaged by the Praetorians at the behest of the Political class, which requires its created wealth to bribe both Praetorians and Plebeians.
And look at our plebeians! Over 4 million of them don’t work and subsist upon the efforts of the ever dwindling band of schmucks who do. The number on disability and ‘benefits’ is even greater. And the plebeians are joined by an ever enlarging horde charging in at the rate of half a million a year from Africa, Eastern Europe and Asia, most notably the pernicious and acquisitve Indian sub continent. Add in the delights of an alien, theocratic culture, entirely anithetical to the host, which it is successfully subverting and you can watch the replay of Gibbon’s Decline and Fall unwind before your very eyes in high technology fast forward mode. In the UK and Europe, as in the United States the tipping point has been now reached, where the number working is exceeded by the parasite Political, Praetorian and Plebeian classes who feed off and out vote them.
And at that point, all bets are off. A nation may take a long time dying, but die it will.
In fact one could argue that the essence of successful democracy lies in maintaining the balance between the four classes in acceptable tension. If the Economic class is not receiving adequate rewards it will join the ranks of the Plebeians. The enduring role of the praetorians is to enforce taxation from the Economic class and order from the plebeians. In times of political and economic unrest it then becomes somewhat more focused on the latter role than the first; beating skulls rather than emptying empty wallets. After all, the reason why it has contempt, and fear, for the political class is because it knows that in the last resort they can always lie and print their own money to keep the system going for a little while longer.
Democracies! You’ve got to say, who’d have ’em eh?
Not us, not any longer.
Noa on February 25th, 2013 – 13:26
A.Boot: Let patients die so the NHS may live.
And let Europeans die, so the Euro may live.
Looks like the Italians are the first €uro-country to have taken their tanks out of reverse gear. Bravo!
O/T – have you noticed that having the €uro, as well as exacerbating financial problems, does little for the country’s rugby fortunes, though I did like the Italians beating the French; they deserved it, both of them!
AWK 1
26th, – 10:26
Bravo! What an excellently composed answer.
Just a footnote to the Lawrence case – in Stephen’s last minutes he was comforted by a white Christian couple returning from a Prayer Meeting who told him he was loved.
The best Stephen’s pal could do was scream “Pigs” at the police when they arrived.
I’ve mentioned this before but as I only ever saw one report of it, I think it worth repeating.
It’s interesting to see that at least one old regime is showing signs of growth in one area of its economy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9894275/North-Korea-expanding-gulags-satellite-images-show.html
RobertC Good news from Italy
“… The social disaffection caused by youth unemployment has been strikingly reflected by the surge of the Five Star movement. This can only embolden anti-establishment and euro-sceptic parties in other countries with high and rising unemployment. Such groups have already proven themselves at the ballot box in Greece….”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/debt-crisis-live/9894176/Debt-crisis-Italian-election-impasse-reignites-euro-fears-live.html
One looks forward to an emboldened UKIP delivering a similar Grillo type “Vaffanculo Day” at Easliegh to Cameron, Clegg, Miliband and their ill-assorted collective of catamites, sh*t stirrers and gello-queans.
Has anybody else noticed how much the Liberal Democrats females all look alike? Wishy-washy, dwalflike, with prudish expressions? How about a Chorus Line musical with Lord Rennard in top hot and tails prancing around with a twirling cane, as he feels each one up in turn 😉
correction: should be hat not hot!
Anne 12.45-no doubt he’d have a hand up their freudian slips! 😉
Malfleur @ 0204
Thanks for the link re those lovable mu$l!m$ and yetanotherterroristplot. I can hear the defence case now;
“M’Lud, my peace loving clients, held back for so long by the restraining guidance of their Holy Book, sadly lapsed, and in a moment of madness got together a little organisation, known only to about 64 of their closest friends, and gathered equipment and materials sufficient only to kill a few score to give their long suffering 1st cousins a few brief days of respite from the siege under which they buckle each and every day from the rampant !$lamophobia and violence they all endure”
Incidentally, a few days ago while reviewing yetanotherterroristplot the one of the Beeb’s tame security experts went a bit off piste and reminded us that since 2001 ther has been at least one major mu$li!m plot foiled every single year since then.
Noa
February 26th, 2013 – 12:48
Very good! The fox indeed in the hen house
Frank P @ 2.54
An interesting and novel take on societal progress, the ‘Rise of the Praetorian Class’ except that it seems not to touch much if at all on the one thing that drives it all, always, the economic efficiency of the society itself. Money, or the lack of it, has been the key ingredient in every society’s rise and fall. By starving the Economic class of funds the Praetorian class cannot survive for long. The USSR may have had arguably the best ever Praetorian class, it didn’t help in the end.
Also, there’s a small but unfortunate mistake; it wasn’t the end of WW2 but WW1 that saw the emergence of the Third Reich idea.
Dear All
I have been banned from The Spectator website. After months of posting there I logged on to find that my permission to post had been removed.
I have never said anything abusive or racist on The Spectator website. I have, in fact, gone out of my way to make sure that my posts were beyond reproach.
I have, however, been highly critical of The Spectator’s articles and journalists (Hardman, Forsyth, Nelson etc) and their increasingly unashamed pro-Cameron Left-wing bias.
It seems that as far as The Spectator is concerned, free speech is verboten. What sad times we live in.
EJ, join the club. I think the Spectator had banned a large proportion of those who were critical, while allowing trolls free rein. This does rather suggest that the trolling is deliberate.
Noa (12.48)
That woke me up – you’re in fine fettle today.
And thanks too for your development of Pete Kafod’s history lesson/ prognostication. Excellent post – I’m grateful. Obviously the thing that caught my eye was the armed services/police/security etc. angle which made me look very critically back on my own life and made me wonder how much of a useful eejit I had been myself, despite being at least partly aware of what ‘the powers that be’ and their puppeteers behind the scenes are up to. The fascism essay by Rockwell seemed to sum up very neatly what Nicholas and others here constantly point out – that Fascism is not Right in a political sense , au contraire.
Anne and Clear Memories.
Good exchange, which exposes the schizoid feeling we all have about predicament we find ourselves in as a result of the clash of cultures and years of political manipulation of the brainwashed politicians of all parties. I feel that I can in all conscience broadly agree with you both. How fucked up is that?
The current ‘sexual’ distractions are all a gigantic pink herring and the Scottish Pope does seem to have been hoist with his own petard. But he and Papa Ratzi have definitely been stitched up by the Gay Mafia. However, if this Kafod dude is even half correct, we’re all sitting in the path of the ‘train that is a’comin’ down the line’ and I can already smell the sulphurous steam upwind. My only query about the ‘Fed Reserve scam’ already lasting 100 years, isn’t it likely then, that they have the power to keep it going for another 100 years? I’ve lived through about ten ‘global apocalypses’ in my lifetime. What say you economic eggheads?
Later. Duty calls.
Just before I go: my Naughty Niece has just opened the floodgates. I’ve picked the easiest one to forward as I’m under the cosh from the memsahib: it’s a comment on the times and very, very vulgar:
Turn up the volume, as the sound is a little muted.
http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=23312
That’s more like it!
This one’s short, too:
Love a good Catholic joke …… (Mother Angelica)
An old nun who was living in a convent next to a construction site noticed the coarse language of the workers and decided to spend some time with them to correct their ways. She decided she would take her lunch; sit with the workers;
She put her sandwich in a brown bag and walked over to the spot where the men were eating. Sporting a big smile, she walked up to the group and asked: “And do you men know Jesus Christ?”
They shook their heads and looked at each other. very confused..
One of the workers looked up into the steelworks and yelled out, “Anybody up there know Jesus Christ?”
One of the steelworkers yelled down , “Why?”
The worker yelled back,
” Cause his mum’s here with his lunch.”
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The picture didn’t make it. Now I’m off to confession: “Coming Dear ….!”
Gawd, I’m so pussy-whipped. 🙂
It is interesting that the most senior black judge in England has been arrested and is on bail for lying to the police, and has not been called as a witness in the Pryce case because she cannot be considered truthful.
More interesting (without disputing the fact that Briscoe seems to have got on with lots of personal effort), she is one of 11 children born to Jamaican immigrants and she can’t remember either her father or her stepfather ever working.
“Anne and Clear Memories.
Good exchange, which exposes the schizoid feeling we all have about predicament we find ourselves in as a result of the clash of cultures and years of political manipulation of the brainwashed politicians of all parties. I feel that I can in all conscience broadly agree with you both. How fucked up is that? ”
Very very much like me Frank- trenchantly expressed and those views and sentiments fully seconded by inmate Noa of the Asylum for Wayward Boys and Girls. I’ll be banging on the pipes tonight with my tin mug!
David Ossitt@February 25th, 2013 – 15:27
or mebbe he simply shagged some hookers, an activity that is 100% legal in the UK
Who cares?
Clean joke time.
IKEA have discovered horse in their meatballs – but it gets worse – they’ve discovered their flooring has laminate.
Gerard draws attention to the latest Bill Whittle voice over on a cracking animated cartoon; Bill (and the cartoonist) certainly get it: thanks for the heads up G:
http://theothermccain.com/2013/02/25/yes/
The Other McCain is another good blog btw, can you add it to the blogroll Peter, please, to remind us it’s worth regular visits
Gerard also manages to weave into the theme an Auden Poem which is also worth a reprise – Auden can be a kinda serious version of Ogden Nash sometimes:
The Unknown Citizen
by W. H. Auden
(To JS/07 M 378
This Marble Monument
Is Erected by the State)
He was found by the Bureau of Statistics to be
One against whom there was no official complaint,
And all the reports on his conduct agree
That, in the modern sense of an old-fashioned word, he was a
saint,
For in everything he did he served the Greater Community.
Except for the War till the day he retired
He worked in a factory and never got fired,
But satisfied his employers, Fudge Motors Inc.
Yet he wasn’t a scab or odd in his views,
For his Union reports that he paid his dues,
(Our report on his Union shows it was sound)
And our Social Psychology workers found
That he was popular with his mates and liked a drink.
The Press are convinced that he bought a paper every day
And that his reactions to advertisements were normal in every way.
Policies taken out in his name prove that he was fully insured,
And his Health-card shows he was once in hospital but left it cured.
Both Producers Research and High-Grade Living declare
He was fully sensible to the advantages of the Instalment Plan
And had everything necessary to the Modern Man,
A phonograph, a radio, a car and a frigidaire.
Our researchers into Public Opinion are content
That he held the proper opinions for the time of year;
When there was peace, he was for peace: when there was war, he went.
He was married and added five children to the population,
Which our Eugenist says was the right number for a parent of his
generation.
And our teachers report that he never interfered with their
education.
Was he free? Was he happy? The question is absurd:
Had anything been wrong, we should certainly have heard.
[Excellent – loved his poetry – but his pouffery stuck in the craw – well in somebody’s craw, no doubt]. They were thankfully little more discreet in those days.
Also picked up this Arthur Koestler quote from the Other McCain blog, perhaps we should use it as the motto for this one:
“One should either write ruthlessly what one believes to be the truth, or else shut up.” — Arthur Koestler
I get the feeling, from over here, that something is building up. There’s going to be some sort of conflict or showdown.
On the issue of the upcoming bye-election they’re all talking about when is the bye election with a UKIPper running? If he wins, or places 2nd even, beating one of the corrupt mainstream parties, this will serve pour encourager les autres and there will be, I predict, steep increments in the UKIP share of the vote in subsequent bye elections.
Verity.
“On the issue of the upcoming bye-election they’re all talking about when is the bye election with a UKIPper running?”
The Thursday of this week, the 28th February.
Verity0
The by-election is on Thursday.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastleigh_by-election,_2013
If I was voting, for other than UKIP of course, both Howling Laud Hope and a Mr Hall, of the Beer, Baccy and Crumpet Party seem to offer reasonable alternatives to the Lieral Dems, (a freudian, but I liked it so let it lie), Labour and Conservative candidates.
and here’s the man himself:-
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/nigel-farage/eastleigh-by-election-ukip-straight-talking_b_2761008.html
I am going to stick my neck out here and state that I think that UKIP will do far better than anticipated at Eastliegh. My reasons for thinking so are twofold, the media with no honerable exceptions have sidelined Ukip to oblivion, it is almost as if it does not exist. Secondly do not underestimate the English talent for hypocracy, they wil not say that they would vote UKIP when some nice, oh so refined woman puts that question to them on the street, but I am damned sure they will say something different in the voting booth.
Alexsandr February 26th, 2013 – 14:51
David Ossitt@February 25th, 2013 – 15:27
“or mebbe he simply shagged some hookers, an activity that is 100% legal in the UK
Who cares?”
Believe it or not Alexsandr but that is precisely was my post was suggesting, ladies of that said profession do frequently work at their trade in massage parlours, or so I have been told.
David O – thank you, and fingers crossed. Nigel is a straight shooter and very articulate and wry. And for the nitwits who say he is a Little Englander, he is married to a German woman and speaks fluent German. Like Coca-Cola, he’s the real thing.
My fingers are crossed for UKIP.
Ooops! I thanked the wrong person! I meant to address Noah! Apols.
IRISHBOY.
“I’ve mentioned this before but as I only ever saw one report of it, I think it worth repeating.”
Keep it up.
Have you also noticed that the much used photograph of this youth was cropped to hide his clench fisted salute on the left and another (I think his brother) similarly posed on the right?
That judge has been arrested for ‘lying to police’. (The Telegraph front page)
Do ‘the quotes’ imply a ‘cultural defence’ is imminent?
David O @ 16.34 & IrishBoy
Talking of media distortions and hagiography of the alleged aspiring ‘architect’, there was an all too brief interview soon after the murder with a friend talking of how master L was just an ordinary geezer. In it the firend talked about how they used to go up to Oxford St on a saturday and just lark about and be a ‘nuisance’ (I think those were the terms used.
Anyone who has seen groups of black youths ‘larking about’ there, or in any town centre for that matter will know just how intimidating this can be and, more to the point, how quickly it can escalate to something much more serious.
On the general point of genuflecting towards Doreen Lawrence because of her loss, this would be justified were it not for the fact that her pronouncements and campaigning have explicitly tarred the police and the whole of society as racist. As others have noted, the Lawrence enquiry has been a massive wrecking ball wielded by the Left. Mrs L has made herself a political figure with her cohorts using Stephen death as a shield to deflect justified criticism of their well armed Long March and political figures deserve criticism.
We really are entering into Alice in Wonderland territory. The Telegraph has:
The Bank of England is considering negative interest rates in an attempt to force banks to lend more to small businesses.
Come to think of it, the banks could lend money to those who didn’t need it, like most of us, for nothing, and we could put it in some building society accounts, and earn, say, 1%.
I could manage that! What is the catch?
Frank P – 13:49
re Pete Kafod’s analysis.
“…Obviously the thing that caught my eye was the armed services/police/security etc. angle which made me look very critically back on my own life and made me wonder how much of a useful eejit I had been myself, despite being at least partly aware of what ‘the powers that be’ and their puppeteers behind the scenes are up to…”
Two further thoughts on this:-
1. The patrician, praetorian merchant, model appeals naturally to the military mind, But it’s not a complete societal model; in Rome there was a slave class which did most of the work. Our modern equivalent, I suppose, are our graduate and post grad Europeans, after all somebody has to fix our broken laptops fast or cut celery, shell peas or, if they understand us, give us a drink of water, for £6.50 per hour or shell peas, whilst living in a caravan outside Newbury.
Cicero probably had similar problems with his quills, or when his abacus went down. Until, that is, the politicans and their enforcers ran him out of Rome.
2. If we’ve worked for a living we can all ask ourselves that sort of question. That is, to what extent we’ve compromised our values and beliefs. Group ethos and team bonding is an essential prerequisite in any organisation, public or private and you don’t remain long unless you maintain, indeed live the values. Witness the fate of the police and NHS whistleblowers over the past week.
There will always be compromises between we would like and we have to do, to survive, to provide for our families and ourselves. Only we as individuals know whether we really should have done. And conscience and belief are not the best guide. That was Philby’s excuse. Now there was a praetorian, verging on patrician, who should have been hung!
What defines what is ‘right?’
It isn’t loyalty to one’s ‘class’; whether patrician, praetorian, merchant or working.
For Phiby and his fellow long marchers, it was and still is the communist ideal, the international ‘rights’ of man. Ultimately such values always prove fatuous, unattainable and contemptible. And as a lonely alcoholic and alienated Philby found, they trampled by practicality and a lack of trust from his Russian comrades, who unlike him, couldn’t bridge that ‘invisible’ but existing nationalist gap, considering him to be a traitor regardless of shared ideology.
For most it is family, country and honour. And I’d include my job and the company I worked for within my definition of country as long it it shares my values.
As an Englishman and a nationalist, that is sufficient for me
Wonderful news, the earnest, dull BBC is bringing us a new comedy! ( Fanfare, music, singing celestial choirs). “Heading Out” is an innovative comedy on BBC 2, especially for the artistes the BBC promotes. Sue Perkins wrote the series and plays the leading role of a 40-year old lesbian who is afraid to tell her parents where her love interests lie. Shouldn’t be too hard for Perkins to fit into the role, she has spent enough time boring us with her Sapho doings.
We need an independent internet radio service that provides original radio interviews, news, current affairs, book readings and comedy.
It is not beyond the technology of our times. It just needs organising. It could even be funded by advertising.
Peter-18.45
You may want a signature tune, just don’t tell Jim or Nick…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYAZE6ZQt3Y
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 February 26th, 2013 – 18:38
“Shouldn’t be too hard for Perkins to fit into the role, she has spent enough time boring us with her Sapho doings.”
Hello Anne, my beloved has asked me to record this program, so that if when we eventually watch it, it is as bad as it might well be we can quickly hit the delete button.
However we do find her marginally less irritating than her friend with whom she does a double act, she (the friend) during the ‘Great British Bake Off’ had me screaming at the television set.
The Lib Dems – are they really a party for change?
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/lib-dems-too-sexy-2013022560910
Anne Wotana Kaye 1
“How about a Chorus Line musical with Lord Rennard in top hot and tails prancing around with a twirling cane, as he feels each one up in turn ”
Would that vision be improved if he were naked from the waist down, apart from long socks with black calf suspenders?
You have to beware all mainstream news reports on Eastleigh because of their LibLabCon bias.
Remember, they will all trot out opinion polls and fail to mention the polling organisations’ political connections, YouGov’s Peter Kellner being the most infamous (he is married to Labour’s Baroness Ashton – most powerful woman in Europe, and so is, of course, unelected).
Those opinion polls matter because it looks like a very tight race and so they will want to tease the electorate into losing their nerve and voting Tory because UKIP are a bit behind.
The Mail are doing all they can to help the Tories win.
Lord Rennard was timed for Sunday just gone, that was obviously embargoed until the Sunday before the election.
Today, the Mail says Camoron will cut access to Legal Aid for immigrants. That’s another bogus promise and timed now because he promised last week to open the floodgates to India (and the UK thought it was already flooded with Indians).
I have to say the worst thing is commentators making out Nigel Farage isn’t pure as the driven snow.
No doubt he isn’t.
But how does that make him worse than LibLabCon?
I really will be walking on air if UKIP win in Eastleigh. Anything to open up the sheeps’ eyes and make them go ‘duh, I don’t have to vote LibLabCon anymore?’
That’s all I want from a UKIP victory – a weapon with which to destroy the big parties.
As a sidenote, it looks as if Labour will come 4th and I do think if they’re not picking up Lib Dem votes then that’s because the policy of indigenous gencoide has finally caught up with them.
There are indigenes reliant on benefits who are part of Gordon Brown’s benefit-paid-for Labour voting clientele.
But I think with incidents like the death of Aaron Dugmore, the genocide is on their doorstep and I think that may be the final straw for them.
That and all the Muslim-raping paedophilia.
David Ossitt – 19:42
“…Would that vision be improved if he were naked from the waist down, apart from long socks with black calf suspenders?”
David. A most unsettling vision.
Surely you must know that no gentleman would wear BLACK suspenders in such circumstances.
Verity (02.36) (today):
See Noa at 13:04 of yesterday; and you are coming on like you’ve only just found Daniel Greenfield; we’ve been linking him for yonks. “Wake up at the back there!” 🙂
His “To Kill a murderer was indeed a great post btw (as always). As an abolitionist myself, regarding CP, I find his post weakens resolve. Idealism is fine, but what about the victims? And the case of the Irish vet in Wales is a cruncher, too. It is obvious that we can’t trust judges and shrinks to protect us from the innate evil that exists in some members of the human race. Only a wafer thin and flimsy barrier exists between civilisation and barbarism. Amassing a chronicle in the way he did it, with cold blooded objectivity was cleverly done. Excellent stuff.
We’ve suggested this before Peter; could you please add Sultan Knish to the blogroll, to remind us that it should be a daily click.
EJ, by commenting on Fraser Nelson’s cesspit you are only helping to bring in readers who would otherwise not bother to re-read those web pages.
Leave them to their politically correct globalisation-stinking echo chamber.
Constance Briscoe, I’ll say no more. Sub judice and all that.
What I will note is that a man called Rohan Pershad QC was today jailed for 3 years at Blackfriars Crown Court for not paying £600,000 in VAT on over a decade’s worth of legal fees he earnt as a barrister in complex financial cases.
He ran the defence of he didn’t understand!
Why do people like that reach the rank of QC, might it be something to do with political correctness?
I’m sure it makes people feel untouchable rising up the ladder on the back of nothing else apart from a politically correct ethnicity.
Further to my post at 19.51, the Telegraph ran a piece today about a surge for UKIP, but underneath it was littered with Tory trolls.
It looked very much like a piece commissioned to get lots of clicks from readers (they like UKIP, so would be interested in that story), but then to host a big debate underneath it in which a load of Tory trolls – not normally there – curiously surface out of nowhere.
It just stank of a joint spin operation thought up by bigwigs and executed by troll pawns.
You just cannot trust the MSM an inch these days.
I feel very sorry for the Pope who has stepped down.
I am not a Catholic but I always pick up my ears when I hear good sense and he knows the social disaster that Europe has unleashed upon itself with the spread of Islam.
I do feel sorry for him and will miss his insights.
For those of you interested, here is what may lie behind all this (I have to say, I never believe anything about ‘I’m ill, guv’ – people don’t get that high without being a fighter):
http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2013/02/24/papal-resignation-is-the-pope-gambling-that-a-younger-man-can-win-back-the-churchs-soul/
James Delingpole has already exposed Tim Yeo on his Telegraph blog, but the Telegraph was always going to be soft on Boris Johnson’s Tim Yeo connections because he’s their writer and – more importantly – the Barclay twins want him to replace Dave before the next election. So does Paul Dacre.
That’s why neither of those papers has mentioned this:
http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/crony-capitalism-boris-johnson-tim-yeo-conflicts-of-interest-ignored-evidence-and-utterly-pointless-london-taxi-regulations/
or this:
http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/why-londoners-have-the-silver-tongued-mayor-to-thank-for-the-new-unecessary-silvertown-tunnel/
Rhian 25th- 21:09
“I read recently that almost all post World War II serious art is about colonial guilt.
I look at the Oscar shortlist and think, yes. Lincoln, Django Unchained, Argo, Zero Dark Thirty. All of them, to a greater or lesser extent, are about demonising the West…”
And lo! The Sultan posts on this very issue:-
http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/hollywood-is-dead.html
Anyone for a classic?
I believe ‘Destry Rides Again’, with gay icon Marlene singing Boys in the Backroom’ and ‘The Third Man’, are incredibly popular at Lib Dem get-togethers.
That is how you spell ‘third’, isn’t it?
Colin
The Spectator hosts some good writers, Douglas Murray is one.
Here he writes in the Jewish Chronicle on the ‘equivalence’, normally a literary weapon favoured by the left, between the courage displayed by Lars Hedegaard and that of Richard Dawkins, professional secularist and God basher.
http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/comment/102653/facing-uncomfortable-truths
Noa, I do like Douglas Murray, but I do sort of feel he is being used.
He seems to be there to pull in the readers, rather than represent anything that the magazine actually believes in.
As such, he seems to be Fraser Nelson’s attempt to replace Melanie Phillips (who I also like).
The bulk of the magazine, Nelson and Forsyth in particular, is nothing more than propaganda and access journalism.
Nelson and Forsyth are to this wretched Coalition what Andrew Rawnsley was to Blair’s government: poodles to be fed titbits for being nice about the Pwime Minister.
Much of Forsyth’s Mail on Sunday column is obviouslt fed to him by Tory spin doctors. It really is such unctuous rubbish.
A measure of how close Fraser Nelson is to Cameron was seen in the party conference photo when Nelson handed Cameron a glass of champagne.
That particular conference there was to be NO alcohol. For anyone.
But who was in the private bar and on such personal terms with Cameron he felt he could saunter up to him with a back-slapping glass of champage? Fraser Nelson.
Talking of photos that give much more away than they intended.
The defining photo of the 90s has to be the photo of the ‘architect’ and all the airbrushing and doctoring done to it.
Why was that fist airbrushed out?
It screams significance. And it was a case that defines the very way we all live today.
The defining photo of the 2000s, to me, was Cameron’s now censored Bullingdon photo.
It was already in wide circulation when it vanished. Even with a copyright on it, for a photo like that to vanish was North Koreanesque.
Even a rock star would have difficulty censoring a photo of themselves.
And in a digital era too.
And then there was this Bullingdon photo, which also appeared at the same time. The airbrushing and pasting on this is extraordinary (it has still never been explained):
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2008/10/who-doctored-th.html
Again, it is North Korean in its unabashed visual spinning.
Who the hell votes for people like this?
Noah 20:54 … “I read recently that almost all post World War II serious art is about colonial guilt.”
Whoever wrote that is an ignorant lefty. There was no “post-colonial guilt” in the West. The countries that we colonised got good governance, sound laws and sound organisational standards, which they were free to continue to employ when we left. That they couldn’t organise themselves, either through lack of will or lack of skill isn’t relevant. We left a precious gift behind and they all buggered it up. (Except Singapore.)
The “post colonial guilt” should be suffered by the populations of the countries we colonised, and later, when we left, left behind the precious gift of organised societies and a capitalist ethic. That they all buggered it up (except Singapore) can’t be laid at ourdoorstep. The Africans still aren’t organised, 70 years later. No one buys anything from Africa except produce and ores. Whose fault is that? I personally don’t feel a shred of the made-up “post-colonial guilt” and I’ve never met anyone who does.
Colin
I agree with much of what you write. I feel that the Speccie has moved to the Left.
Why?
Probably for commercial reasons, just like the Conservative party. The demographics are against conservatives, apparently. Which is why one has a suit like Cameron patronising our intelligence by serving an unchanged new labour menu with a mere soupçon of conservatism to appeal to the new, left leaning voters. (If you find out what the conservative elements are please do let us know.)
I find this puzzling, Fraser tells us the Speccie circulation is on the up. Is that because it appeals to that new leftie audience? Or is it because the aging population is moving to the right?
Still I like the Speccie and most, though not all, of its content, for the moment at least, the sum of its parts is greater than the whole.
I think the Spectator circulation is going up because e-book format allows for cheap distribution around the world, much easier than trying to ship a hard-copy out to Mongolia. This is why I asked them if their UK circulation was falling while their overseas was temporarily rising. But I didn’t expect an answer. I would have thought that there is easily a market of 60,000 really conservative British people to support the Spectator but there has been a decision to move to the left, I would have thought for ideological grounds, not least because the staff inhabit a leftist, metropolitan world unlike the one we live in.
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This wretched woman wrote two autobiographies, the first called “Ugly” in which she described how cruel her mother was. When I first read it I thought she was a cunning liar, and a slapper who would do anything to reach the top. A terrible book, but in contemporary Britain her ploy worked!
Noa February 26th, 2013 – 19:38
A picture of a tosser!
Was it Shrove Tuesday?
Or, out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Da-Daaaaa!
Here’s a pic of Dave in all his Bullingdon self-regarding splendour, but revealing, even in the height of youthful virility, an effete stance caused either by some am-dram ambition to be the heir to Sebastian Flyte, or more likely, he probably hasn’t read much, by the early onset of that terrible fast-acting and irreversible degenerative disease, Flaccid Backbone.
http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/the-bullingdon-club/
IrishBoy – Yes, Dave Blancmange-Face has a flaccid bckbone, extremely high, and inexplicable self-regard, a lordly disregard for the truth and an ugly wife whose father is milking the British taxpayer for his “wind farm”.
BTW, doesn’t “farming” mean growing and producing something? Jes’ askin’ is all.
Farming also means making money from some governmental contract. So you would pay the government to collect some official fee off people and then be allowed yo charge much more to make a fat profit.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2284843/Tony-Blair-admits-people-abusive-10-years-ordered-Iraq-invasion.html
People still abuse him because of the Iraq War.
No Tony, it’s because you’re a c**t.
“Why do people like that reach the rank of QC, might it be something to do with political correctness? ”
Well…QC comes after PC, but before RC…alphabetically speakin’, of course.
Verity 26th – 21:52
Yup, gal, you said it all!
“That is how you spell ‘third’, isn’t it?”
Plagiarist!
It goes without saying that “they” – the lefties – chose the word “farm” with malign deliberation.
“Farming” carries with it the meaning of physically producing something from the earth, with early rising, hard work, tilling the soil, driving tractors, long hours, animal husbandry and so on.
“Wind farming” is a deliberate and malign misnomer. Workmen put windmills up on someone’s property. That’s not farming by the broadest definition or flight of imagination. It’s a deliberate lefty lie. They cannot, cannot, cultivate the wind.
God I hate this concept and loathesome people involved in using this sickening definition of farming. We respect farmers. They produce food for us to eat. Wind “farming” (ha ha ha) doesn’t produce anything but cheques. Wouldn’t you know that Davey “Call me Dave would have someone in the family with a wind farm? Could it be otherwise?
The word “farm” does have some form in being used for things that aren’t real farms. Sewage farm, for instance, or how about that bleak Victorian practice, “baby farming”?
My paternal grandfather, who begat 13 children (from the same woman) called himself a baby-farmer. Takes all sorts of farmers to service the human race. Wind farmers, though? Hot air!
Sorry, Frank, we typed our similar posts simultaneously. Must be telepathy!
Verity
February 26th, 2013 – 21:52
“There was no “post-colonial guilt” in the West”. Quite! As I’m fond of telling my (few) lefty chums; I refuse to feel guilty over something that happened a couple of hundred years ago; or fifty years ago for that matter.
The term “sewage farm” derives from the fact that effluent was sent out of the major cities and spread on real farms as a fertiliser. That was how they got rid of the human waste.
Farming in the sense that was mentioned derives from the fact that farm has its origins in the word for rent, and so a farmer was one who paid a rent for his agricultural land, then it came to mean the one who collected rents in general, and then by extension one who made money out of collecting money for other people. Zacchaeus was a farmer of taxes, for instance. He creamed off an additional income for himself on top of what was due to the Romans.
Ostrich (occasionally)- 23:46
“That is how you spell ‘third’, isn’t it?”
Plagiarist!
‘You got me bang to rights gov’. Put the cuffs on, I’ll come quietly…
“Farming in the sense that was mentioned derives from the fact that farm has its origins in the word for rent,”
What an educational blog this is!
Anne has been sugested she has a get together with Verity, now this got me to pondering. Why do we not organise a wallers annual outing, you know the sort of thing, hire a bus, stash the back with crates of beer and Cherie Blair belting out “Roll out the barrel” on the kareoke machine. A run sown to South End then back to Whitechapel for a fish supper and a session round the Blind Begger to ensure we are all suitably legless, the whole thing to be topped up with us on the Jeremy Kyle show effing and blinding. Surely that is an offer you can not refuse?
Stephen, I hope to organise some ‘Evenings with …’ later in the year, and these could certainly be opportunities for Wallers in the south to meet.
A beautiful fairy appeared one day to an immigrant claimant outside the Social Security Offices.
‘My good man,’ the fairy said,
‘I’ve been told to grant you three wishes, since you’ve just arrived in England with your wife and seven children.’
The man told the fairy:
‘Well, where I come from we don’t have good teeth, so I want new teeth, maybe a lot of gold in them.’
The fairy looked at the man’s almost toothless grin and — PING !!!
He had a brand new shining set of gold teeth in his mouth!
‘What else?’ asked the fairy, ‘two more wishes, to go’.
The refugee claimant now got bolder.
‘I need a big house with a three car garage in Birmingham with eight bedrooms for my family and the rest of my refugee relatives who still live in my country. I want to bring them all over here.
PING ! – In the distance there could be seen a beautiful mansion with
a three car garage, a long driveway, a walkout patio with a BBQ, and a sparkling swimming pool and a BMW, full of his nephews playing their music.
‘One more wish left for you’, said the fairy, waving her wand.
I want to be British with British clothes instead of rags, and shawl and I want to have white skin like the British.’
PING ! – The man was transformed, wearing worn out jeans from ASDA, a dirty Primark T-shirt and a greasy baseball cap.
He had his bad teeth back and the mansion had disappeared from the horizon.
‘What happened to my new teeth?’ he wailed. ‘Where is my new house? Where’s my Visa Gold Card?’
The fairy said.
‘Tough luck. Now that you are British, you’re entitled to sweet f*** all like the rest of us.
And she disappeared!
Stephen Maybery – why spoil the beano with Cherie Blair? Still, the rest of the program sounds quite fun.
Trouble is, like seeing what actors in a radio play actually look like, face to face meetings could lead to disappointments.
Frank P
“…Wind farmers, though? Hot air!”
And there is the real triumph of international socialism, for, instead of selling us hot air, which has its uses in cold northern climes, for heating and for powering machinery and creating diry, smelly industrial revolutions and such. Many of them, most notably our AGW politicians, have found a way to make money from us by telling us that they can harvest cold air!
Truly, the lineal descendants of Marx and Lenin are a wonderment.
Peter, that is great news, let’s hope it all comes together.
stephen maybery
Super idea Stephen, but alas the chippie at Whitechapel folded its tent and slipped away a long time ago. The Blind Beggar was still around in my wild student nurse days, and also the pub by the old London Hospital where we met up with medical students and sang bawdy songs. But why the hell spoil a good outing with that horrible Cherie Blair? I see Frank Sutton shares my horror!
Anne-“…why the hell spoil a good outing with that horrible Cherie Blair?”.
Oh I dunno Anne, one can always take a spare string out of the old joanna for use after she’s finished caterwauling.
On the subject of An evening with…. I notice that US websites often set up Internet-thons to cover speakers and debates.
Perhaps that’s something that could be adopted for the UK, at least then the disenfranchised north, and south and east could cackle and heckle at the screen in two way communication whilst we drink milk stout and the nice Phillipino nurse changes our colostomy bags…
Noa
February 27th, 2013 – 12:35
If Cherie comes, then I won’t! So there…Boo Hoo…..Not fair……
Noa.
Listen out – Young Cherie gave Tony the steel balls to get him and George to face off Saddam.
Never forget that.
Anne,
The Italians found piano wire has multiple uses…hang around for the trial at least.
JJ Burns
If you are arguing that GW II you’ll get no sympathy from me. Other than ego and crass stupidity there was no cause for a re-run of Desert Storm, in which I participated incidentally.
Only fools and idiots bought the WMD arguments of Bush and Blair. The latter is still in denial and instead of angling for a golden throne in Brussels the barsteward, along with his conniving unelected spouse, should be chained to a dock chair in the Hague.
Correction JJ Burns
“..If you are arguing that GW II was good and holy and necessary you get no sympathy from me…”
Noa – 12:39 – “at least then the disenfranchised north, and south and east could cackle and heckle at the screen in two way communication.”
And overseas-
Frank P.
“As an abolitionist myself, regarding CP,”
Frank, I never would have guessed, I would have had you down as a supporter of capital punishment.
In my opinion removing CP as the ultimate punishment was the start of the rot, some can now kill and almost have immunity from punishment.
If it were up to me all police killers, child killers, in fact all who kill wilfully and uncaringly whilst committing a crime, all sex related killers, all gang related and those who commit so called honour killings should hang.
Noa.
“along with his conniving unelected spouse, should be chained to a dock chair in the Hague.”
No let them both have the same treatment as Ceausescu and his Mrs.
Noa 12:56 – “..If you are arguing that GW II was good and holy and necessary you get no sympathy from me…”
George Bush was an outstanding president. He was also an outstanding Governor of Texas. And he was reelected Governor for a second term by the cynical Texans. I believe that was a first ever. He did an outstanding job. What is more, he brought in the “right to carry concealed” law. Meaning, if you had a (licensed) gun, you didn’t have to keep it in your glove compartment when driving or your briefcase or similar when you were afoot. You could have your gun on the car seat next to you. Or, in your purse or anywhere handy and open.
George Dubya believed that the law-abiding citizen deserved every chance to defend himself (and others) from malfeasants. They sstill believe tha in Texas and you can still carry your (licensed) gun out in the open. You’d be surprised how courteous Texas society is. You don’t let the bank or Post Office door slam in anyone’s face. An armed society is a poilite society.
Jphn Jefferson Burns – “Listen out – Young Cherie gave Tony the steel balls to get him and George to face off Saddam.”>i>
George W is a Texan born and bred. His father was President of the United States. Trust me, George W did not need the gurning, self-righteous, ugly, trashy Cherie Blair to teach him how to be a head of state. He had an excellent role model in his father, former President Bush. The very thought is ignorant and ludicrous.
Incidentally, Noa, if you’re going to write derogatory rubbish about fine people, get their names right. George W Bush is George W Bush. He is not
The computer froze then posted by itself when I was posting the above.
By the way, Noa, if you ever go to Texas don’t cut a little old lady out in traffic, or let a bank or shop door slam in her face. A lot of these li’l ol’ Texas gals are packin’ heat. I once saw two of them in the hair salon seated waiting for the hairdresser, with their guns out, comparing qualities. Do. not. mess. with.
Noa, Verity
You are right that Gearge W is the best thing since Texan Ribs but he was wavering until bolstered by Tony and Cherie.
If left to himself Bush would still be wavering while Saddam was gassing more Kurds.
Just like wet Obama is prevaricating on the Iranians.
Tell me also what your so called Conservative Cameron is doing.
David Ossitt 12:33 – “n my opinion removing CP as the ultimate punishment was the start of the rot”. Recent history validates this claim.
British louts and Thiird World garbage need tobe reined in with a heavy hand.
Islamic louts need to be returned to Pakiland. A guilty verdct should mean deportation after the prison sentence is served. And prison, as we never tire of saying, should mean “prison”, not Butlin’s.
What is the justification for having TV available to them. Have a prison library and let them read if they want to take their “minds” off things. I understand that in some prisons, they get a choice of entrees. Excercise should mean a daily walk around the courtyarad for half an hour, under the vigilant eye of men in uniforms with guns. Exercise should be half an hour, twice a day, of walking around the courtyard under the vigilant eye of officers with guns. There should be no TV. The prisoner should be aware every instant that he is in prison, that he has zero freedom, and he did it to himself by committing a crime. Soft prison sentences and conditions will not drive a prisoner to swearing to himself that he will never be back.
I’gve just had a brilliant idea! Third World garbage should, of course, be deporting to its hellhole of origin, but listen! Why not send our indigenous criminal garbage over on the same ship? I mean, they send their own garbage to Britain, don’t they? The Great Garbage Exchange!
Sorry about the terrible typing. The sun, despite pillowcases up in the windows, is shining directly onto the computer screen and I can’t read what I’ve typed to correct it.
I’m on my way to London for a lecture and so am finally getting to read Secret Affairs by Mark Curtis which has been in my Kindle account since it was recommended here.
I am not philosophically against CP but I would not vote for it in light of those who would wield this power being entirely unfit to do so.
Verity
February 27th, 2013 – 14:30
Sorry about the terrible typing. The sun, despite pillowcases up in the windows, is shining directly onto the computer screen and I can’t read what I’ve typed to correct it.
Dear Verity, you are going to get a bad reputation having bed linen exposed like that! 😉
I was all for the Gulf War. Only pity they left too many of the ass holes around to fight another day.
Verity
I enjoy and generally respect your posts. But if you are going to fire broadsides aim them at your enemies, or at least read my posts properly.
.
GW II is short for Gulf War Two. The misdirected Bush junior, Blair sponsored farrago of lies that has decimated the middle east, aroused the muslim world and is directly responsible for the muslim brotherhood sponsored Arab Winter that, domino like, has seen the re-creation of a host of old enemies on Europe’s flank and doorstep.
As for the rights of US citizens to carry concealed arms-very nice and I’m pleased for them. But it may have escaped your notice that, whist that was happening in the States, Blair was completing the disarmament of UK citizens.
Noa, I regret that my post was based on a misunderstanding. GW (or G Dubya, if you’re a Texan) is commonly used as a shortcut for George W Bush. To think that anyone would automatically relate GW to the Gulf War of at least a decade ago – especially as you did not prefacee GW with the definite article, seems a little far fetched.
And no, Noa, it most assuredly did not escape my notice that the British were being disarmed and I considered it unconstitutional at the time. In fact, I was surprised that no one of the time researched our unwritten Constitution … very difficult, of course, as there’s nothing in writing, so we have to search for intent … for evidence that Brits have a right to self-defence by whatever means possible.
Noa, you also write, “As for the rights of US citizens to carry concealed arms-very nice and I’m pleased for them. ”
US citizens IN MOST OTHER STATES do NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CARRY CONCEALED. Texas (and pehaps a couple of other of the 50 states – I don’t know) do have that right, thanks to G W Bush. And the right to carry concealed was brought in by George W when he was TWO TIME elected Governor of Texas. (I suspect, although I haven’t research it, that citizens of Utah may also have the right to carry concealed, given that prisoners being executed have the right to choose between lethal injection and the firing squad.)
Cherie Blair? you mean ‘Satchel-mouth’? Wasn’t Satchmo quite good…and famous?
Oh, wait, that’s the original…been brown bread for a while.
JJB 27th, – 12:40
“to get him and George to face off Saddam.”
There was no need to…he’d have rotted on the vine in good time, him and his regime.
The thing you should “Never forget” is the deaths of thousands of young, innocent western soldiers, sent there to do a job that didn’t need doing.
AWK1 – D’accuerdo. We should have finished the job in the Gulf, but instead, caved in to aggressive, self-seeking and ignorant, self-seeking, self-righteous “peace” protesters. The best way to ensure peace is with a gun or other heavy arms, like nuclear, in the arsenal and a will to use them if necessary. Let us hope and pray that the people of Eastleigh (I think) have the vision to deliver the correct vote this coming week: UKIP.
Anne, just to keep you up to date on Whitechapel. there is a chippie oposite the hospital, not your traditional model, this is a kebab house which also sells fish. The Blind Beggar is still in business but mainly as a tourist venue for punters on Kray tours. The Royal London is now closed and rumour has it that it is to be transformed into a hotel, it’s replacement stands behind, a mass of contrasting shades of blue which looks like nothing so much as model made from Lego bricks. The pub you mention as being next to the hospital is the Good Samaritan and is still there. Much else has changed, I mean to say, call the Police these and you do not get a local Bobby, the Bengal Lancers turn up.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1.
“I was all for the Gulf War. Only pity they left too many of the ass holes around to fight another day.”
So was I, but stupidly they did not have the common sense to finish the job first time, whilst they had some semblance of a legitimate reason.
Both Bush 2 and Blair are guilty of war crimes Gulf War 2 was an illegal act.
Archie Ponsonby 7:40 a.m. – Agreed!
David O 15:43 – “illegal” according to which law?
So Labour’s Eastleigh candidate, ‘writer’ John O’Farrell, has said he wished Margaret Thatcher had been murdered in the IRA attack on Brighton’s Grand Hotel.
Is this so Labour can blame their poor showing tomorrow on the candidate?
But then again, perhaps not.
Verity
“…To think that anyone would automatically relate GW to the Gulf War of at least a decade ago – especially as you did not preface GW with the definite article, seems a little far fetched…”
Not on a UK website, where we are interested in British and not American affairs. Most of us are content to let the US compound its own misunderstandings- except when our craven politicos drag us into wars over which we have no influence and from which we derive no national benefit.
Ostrich O 15.33 and David O 15.43 -re Gulf war II (or GW II for GW Bush afficionados)
-Absolutely my point.
David Ossitt (13:33)
“Frank, I never would have guessed, I would have had you down as a supporter of capital punishment.”
Well David, we’ve been down this road before, but here we go again.
I would not be prepared to connive in cold blood to do something as a ‘punishment’ that I am deploring in another, which has been done in hot blood, or through madness and evil mindedness .
I have always subscribed to the notion that is therefore unfair to ask Juries and Judges to connive in it; the State should have less barbaric solutions and there is nothing more barbaric than judicial homicide, imho. But I do think that in almost cases of murder, actual life imprisonment is essential.
I say that in the full and personal knowledge of inevitable police incompetence, cock-ups and corruption. Like humanity, the judicial system is flawed and therefore mistakes are made and sometimes venal conspiracies entered into. As I wouldn’t be prepared to put the noose around anybody’s neck, inject the lethal dosage or be part of a firing squad, I wouldn’t ask anybody else to do it.
But as I said in my previous post when someone lays out hard cases as Greenfield did in his article, the resolve is sorely tested. But that is because the judicial system and the prison authorities have failed to do what they should have done, rather than any blood lust on my part.
Then we come to war. Well that’s a different kettle of fish. War occurs when law and logic fails. Then it’s every man for himself; I am not a pacifist and if someone wages war on me, my family and my country, then I would fight to the death and kill any adversary intent on killing me or occupying my country if I could. I am not a pacifist and do not admire pacifism in others.
But when you have removed the sting of any person; evil, hot-headed, weak or mentally unstable and have absolute power over them (as I have had – it is a humbling experience) it would be barbaric to kill them in cold blood and I therefore don’t want the State to do it.
But if they are guilty of homicide with malice aforethought or through insanity, the State has a right and a duty to detain them until they die – to protect the wider community.
As I get older and continue see terrible things happen – injustices proliferate – I often waver about my ‘principles’ and wonder whether the expedient solution is not preferable, particularly with repeat offenders. But remember – the only reason they are repeat offenders is because they weren’t adequately dealt with in the first place.
As for capital punishment for police killers – why? The police are trained to defend themselves and usually have the means to do it. A bank clerk, liquor store attendant, petrol pump attendant, etc. – far more vulnerable to murderous attack. Prison officers? They are responsible for making sure that prisoners are rendered harmless. That’s their job. No – differentiation is nonsense. And I say this having looked down the barrel of a robber’s gun. But I was quick in those days and could dance like a butterfly and sting like a bee. 🙂
As for Police Chiefs who send out young women to answer calls in areas which they have allowed to become ruled by feral, murderous gangs – well I might just give them a special dispensation from my principles. Pass me that rope, David.
David Ossitt- 13:40
Noa.
“along with his conniving unelected spouse, should be chained to a dock chair in the Hague.”
No let them both have the same treatment as Ceausescu and his Mrs.”
That was implicit in the first sentence of my 12.55 post.
“Decently tried, decently judged and decently hung.”
On reflection though, rather than have the proto-quislings of the EU trying them I would prefer a trial in an English criminal court for treason, murder and malfeasance in office. Someone in the Judge Jefferies could do the job nicely.
Verity.
“David O 15:43 – “illegal” according to which law?”
Illegal in that Blair lied and lied again in order to have his actions approved, we went to war for reasons that were not sound and have been proved since to have been gross distortions of the true facts.
Frank P.
“…But if they are guilty of homicide with malice aforethought or through insanity, the State has a right and a duty to detain them until they die – to protect the wider community.”
Leaving aside insanity-the law is well defined on that point-the question of detention for life-and its cost- becomes a serious practical consideration when life expectancy is increasing dramatically.
Imprisonment for 40 or 50 years will cost up to £2 million per prisoner on that basis -and the lack of a death sentence arguably encourages, or at least fails to deter other murders.
I wonder, for example, how taxpayers would react if the option of the death penalty was available by public voting? Or, less high mindedly, if the cost of detaining such people was actually quantified, and optionally, added or deducted from their taxes according to whether they were pro or anti-death penalty? I imagine the families of Ian Brady or the Soham children would not moralise over much on the matter.
Indeed it is one reason why life sentences are no longer for life, as the imprisonment of frail, geriatric and demented prisoners is in itself a cruelty imposed by the state.
I’m pro capital punishment myself. Logically, to hold that position I have to be prepared to execute the sentence myself, believing that if the state abdicates the right to execute such murderers it has also abdicated its duty to protect its citizens. Leaving them, ultimately, to defend themselves.
The injustices perpetrated on Tony Martin and numerous others when they seek to defend themselves demonstrates the logical imbalances when the state fails to distinguish between liberal principle and practice in applying them to the innocent and injured parties.
David O – Fair enough. The war may or may not have been justified, but Blair lied. There should be the death penalty for lying heads of state. They were voted into a position of incredible trust, and they betrayed it. The death penalty is apt.
Frank P 27th, – 16:31
“we’ve been down this road before, but here we go again.”
Beautifully expressed, Frank.
Given that miscarriages of justice continue to occur even today I believe we should reject a sentence that can’t be ‘reversed’ (I know that’s not a satisfactory word but it’s the best I can come up with right now.), just in case we have to. Pour encourager les autres is so-o last century. But what if you’re 100% sure? I hear some cry. Well, I’m no lawyer (that’s obvious) but it seems to me that justice should prohibit two different sentences for what are, fundamentally, the same two offences…people are dead. Even the (allegedly) 100% certitude of guilt can never truly be so. So the only thing to is for ‘life’ to mean life. Lock ’em up and throw away the key.
Now I’m going to be naughty…
Isn’t a death sentence really a ‘life’ sentence anyway? I mean, between conviction and execution, isn’t the prisoner is in jail for the rest of his life anyway? 😉
Verity… “two of them in the hair salon… with their guns out, comparing qualities.”
Looks like you’ve been coiffing in the last chance salon.
stephen maybery
Thanks for your information on Whitechapel. Haven’t been there for over a decade since I found it less than a shadow of its former self. Doubt if I will ever go back since I have learned that the past is indeed a foreign country.
What a lot of milksops and mealy mouthed characters we have mutilating the expressive and rich English language. Today I have heard several times that ‘buzz’ word inappropriate several times with reference to persons from churchmen to polticians. In the good old days the vocabulary was far richer, ‘dastardly’, ‘bestial’, ‘caddish’.
Noa – (27 February 15:08)
As you’ve probably noticed, I seldom dissent from anything you write, but this is the second time this month!
I’m writing this because I feel uneasy about your having written this –
“The misdirected Bush junior, Blair sponsored farrago of lies that has decimated the middle east, aroused the muslim world and is directly responsible for the muslim brotherhood sponsored Arab Winter that, domino like, has seen the re-creation of a host of old enemies on Europe’s flank and doorstep.”
I don’t disagree for an instant that Blair sponsored the farrago of lies that you mention nor about what followed.
But when you describe his lies as “directly responsible” and refer to them as “arousing the Muslim world” it gives the impression of laying the main blame on the victim (i.e. the west, personified in Blair) rather than identifying the real source and cause of the events you refer to.
It seems to me that nobody in the west – no matter how foolish or ill-intentioned – bears the fundamental responsibility for what has emerged from the Islamic world in recent years. What has emerged is founded in the doctrines of Islam – the everlasting and unextinguishable belief that it is Muslims’ duty to Allah and Islam’s ordained destiny to conquer the entire world by whatever means will work.
It is an ambition that has simmered for centuries, and that is in no way founded in western thinking or policies, no matter how daft they may be.
Herbert Thornton
February 27th, 2013 – 18:27
Absolutely!
Herbert Thornton – 18:27
I always welcome the opportunity to read your posts and consider myself better informed for doing so. Your comments and critiques especially so.
And I accept your reservations in that spirit. We must surely agree that any attempt to summarise the recent history of the middle east and muslim world and its consequences, is doomed to failure!
Nevertheless, whilst some other trigger would in due course probably have ignited the events we see today, the wrongful invasion of Iraq in 2003 can be seen as the start of the chain of specific events which has brought us to where we are now.
Islam is of course the unifying banner under which the enemies of the West, both within and out, rally as the course of events presents itself.
Correction to my post of 18.50
Herbert Thornton – 18:27
“…We must surely agree that any attempt to summarise the recent history of the middle east and muslim world and its consequences, in one sentance, is doomed to failure!
Herbert, I am just reading secret affairs and the author lays some of the blame at our goverments fault over a great many decades through the direct support given to Islamic groups in many places.
Herbert Thornton 18:27 … Well put! I agree with every word. Blair is to blame for basically everything else that is wrong with Britain today, including signing up for the fascist EU superstate that no one voted for, but offending islam wasn’t one of his crimes. He couldn’t crouch low enough, wagging his tail. Islam (only capitalised because it’s the first word in the sentence) is a very primitive and angry belief system. The “religion of peace” is actually the religion of conquest, cruelty, freelance beheading, dimution of the status of women and girls, and silly hats.
Tony Blair kissed islamic arse, leftard arse and EU arse figuring one or the other had to pan out.
Verity. Of course Blair isn’t to blame on his own. This end point has been coming for centuries. Read Mr. Boot. The British people signed up to it and were happy to allow politicians to do anything as long as there were bread and circuses.
PfM 19.00
Googling ‘UK government sponsored islamic groups’ and ‘Muslim sponsored UK islamic groups’ respectively throws up (sic), 103 million and 90 million hits respectively.
I wouldn’t necessarily draw the conclusion that our taxes are funding the promotion of militant islam and the establishment of the world Caliphate to an even greater extent than the Saudi and Gulf princes, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was so.
Noa – Good grief!!!
I agree with you and have long believed that British taxpayers were funding the invaders. I think this point of view is pretty widespread now. 103m hits! Looks like Tony ‘n Cher were on a roll.
I notice there is a play-“The Iraq Dossier”-on Radio 4 next Saturday at 2.30pm constructed from emails,memos,first hand testimonies to Lord Hutton…..As I saw it at the time Hutton gathered all the evidence against Blair and came to the conclusion he was innocent on the grounds that the Prime Minister can’t lie.
Verity
UK Government and EU funding to islamic groups is a given.
I think people would be very shocked indeed if the total paid out, through local and central government could be established.
But funding for Islamic education, madrassas and mosques is also augmented by arab oil weath-which is in turn paid for by the mostly kuffar UK motoist.
I’ve finally finished Mark Steyn’s ‘After America’, after Frank P’s recommendation. It’s been sitting on my shelf for over a year, waiting patiently in the queue.
It’s been worth the time invested, despite its somewhat diffuse structure. A primer for the Right and the issues which face us, both in the UK and in the States.
Mr Steyn’s style is wry and to the point, with lots of examples to reinforce his conclusions.
Those points are striking and well made. One thought-provoking example was his comparison of between subjects (of Canada and of course the UK) and citizens (of the US).
In the former the Crown is sovereign and power is leased down through nations, province and municipality to the subjects. In the US power is leased up from the citizen to town, county, state and nation, ever more sparingly at each stage.
The difference is simple but profound.
cont’d
…and ultimately justifies the citizen’s right to withdraw the consents he has given previously.
Bottom up versus top down central government control, how can we fight it?
Well, if you want to know that, you’d best buy (or borrow you tightwad!) the book.
You won’t be disappointed.
Noa et al –
It may be that the most effective way, nowadays, to spread Islam is the one you mention – i.e. spend money (i.e. Arab oil wealth) on it, and persuade – (or is it bribe?) – politicians among the victims to spend the victims’money on it too.
It makes me wonder though whether they will try to use those tactics and strategies among among the Chinese? And more importantly, will they work? I incline to think they won’t – and hope that I’m right..
But they’re certainly working in Britain. Having looked on the Internet for the presence of Mosques and similar institutions around my own place of origin (Garstang) I see that they now exist in all the nearest towns – Preston, Lancaster, Morecombe, Blackpool, and Fleetood.
It makes me wonder how soon Islam will establish itself even in Garstang.
And then what? Will Singletons be accused of insulting Muslims by publically selling the excellent Singletons’ pork pies?
I can certainly testify to the enduring quality of Singleton’s pork pies, having acquired and consumed one last weekend.
Unfortunately islam is esconcing itself very comfortably indeed in the county and the country.
It’s not just money, the original population is aging and failing to reproduce itself. Islam, by contrast, is fecund. At the school in Preston where my wife teaches just 2 children, out of 30, are of white Prestonian origin, the rest are Indian and Pakistani origin muslims.
Correction to my post of 21.44
“…At the school in Preston where my wife teaches just 2 children, out of 30, in her class, are of white Prestonion origin, the rest are Indian and Pakistani origin muslims.”
That situation is commonplace throughout the post industrial towns of Lancashire and Yorkshire, where people feel more and more that they are resented strangers in their own country and as such, are being rapidly replaced.
Noa et al
Us kuffars are most definately directly funding the cancerous spread of rather well appointed mosques here. Check out a lot of the signs outside these places (when they deign to have English versions). time after time you will see such and such mosque AND ‘education centre’ or somesuch wording. this gives them enough of a fig leaf for tax breaks and grants from an establishment all to willing to ‘promote diversity’.
What would be an iteresting study and/or investigation is to how mosques are selected for Saudi largesse. In my old East London stamping grounds you find anonymous back street majids transformed into massive gleaming edifices which look like they cost a fortune. Politely enquiring into the ability of the ability of chicken shop and drapers to fund this was guaranteed to raise the hackles of hitherto ‘moderate’ and peaceloving’ mohamedans.
…apologies for typos…can’t multitask.
Noa (21:54)
More white flight – and who can blame them? A self fuelling prophesy?
Herbert Thornton 27th, – 21:26
“they will try to use those tactics and strategies among among the Chinese? And more importantly, will they work? I incline to think they won’t – and hope that I’m right..
But they’re certainly working in Britain.”
Well, maybe there’s a solution in your question. Newcastle and Northumbria universities (400 yards apart) seem to be importing Chinese by the 747load, and quite a few of them appear to be staying.
Which might be just the thing to put a spoke in islam’s wheel.
Hexhamgeezer @ 22:35
There seems to be a measure of resistance shown here: http://lawandfreedomfoundation.org/
Ostrich (occasionally) (27 Feb – 23:11) –
I wish I could share your optimism.
Other things being equal, the presence of more Chinese in Britain can only be a Very Good Thing. The Chinese are highly intelligent and have a good claim to be the most civilised people on earth.
But sadly, other things are not equal at all. Consequently I cannot see that Chinese who are brave enough to settle in Britain will be enough to turn back the Islamic tsunami that is rising and bent on subjugating the entire population.
Wonderful stuff on this link:
“Founded by geniuses and run by idiots”
http://www.economicnoise.com/2013/02/27/founded-by-geniuses-and-run-by-idiots/
Pearls of sardonic wisdom.
There is an interesting video here of Simon Hughes addressing a Muslim audience and insisting that we need Muslims to ‘be the leaders’…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1ugsVMarRA
TRANSCRIPT
“…because we want you fully to participate. This is YOUR place. Every country in the world is YOUR country. You are not strangers, you are not aliens, you are part of this country and we want you to participate fully in this country. But not just as voters. We want you to be the leaders, we want you like my friend Fayez who is here, and my friend Ashmal and my other Muslim friends. We want you to be standing for Council, we want you to be standing for Parliament, standing for the European Parliament, to be cabinet ministers, TO BE THE PRIME MINISTER. I want the sisters and the brothers, particularly the sisters, to come forward and say ‘I will lead in the political sphere’ because we NEED you, we NEED you to lead our politics and we want you to come forward to be part of the political leadership in this country.”
Herbert Thornton @ 00:38
On the other hand: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2285676/How-China-enslaving-world-Beijings-ruthless-leaders-subjugate-armies-foreign-workers-opium-plunder-resources-globe–theyve-got-Britain-sights.html
I have to say that I don’t want loads of any incomers being looked to for salvation. Why would I want to become part of a Chinese client state just to have prevented becoming a dhimmi state? I want to be English. That requires decisions to be made that restrict and reverse the flow of all incomers save those manageable numbers who will contribute to our English society and embrace our own culture.
Look at the video by Simon Hughes – this is the future he looks towards – it is people like him that need to be dealt with (in a peaceful and non-violent manner).
PfM 10.38 Hear hear!
Peter (09:32)
Good catch. Gob-smacking! I always knew the man was a traitor, but didn’t realise that he’d left this sort of evidence around to prove it. Of course there’s no such thing as the offence of treason any more, we’ve already surrendered any national rights to Europe in particular and the Long March in general.
That link needs to go viral, particularly today as the Eastleigh fiasco unfolds. Disseminate, disseminate!
As for “Look at the video by Simon Hughes – this is the future he looks towards – it is people like him that need to be dealt with (in a peaceful and non-violent manner)” …
I fear it may already be too late to resolve anything in a ‘peaceful’ manner; but the non-peaceful manner has to be well thought out in a way which achieves your general manifesto of stopping the flow and curbing the enemy within in very large numbers, to boot).
Btw a number of other linked videos that appear after the clip are worth the time, too. Great stuff, but who’s listening – not hoi polloi, it seems.
Even I find that outpouring by the perverted a-hole Hughes, almost beyond belief – you’re sure it not’s a photoshop jobbie?
Malfleur
February 28th, 2013 – 09:47
Herbert Thornton @ 00:38
On the other hand: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2285676/How-China-enslaving-world-Beijings-ruthless-leaders-subjugate-armies-foreign-workers-opium-plunder-resources-globe–theyve-got-Britain-sights.html
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Why am I thinking Opium Wars and Boxer Revolution (in reverse)!!!!!!!!
Simon Hughes? A classic case of the Tertiary stage. Ugh!
Well at least some people in Ireland are starting to see that the the EU is much worse than the British Empire (May peace be upon and flow from it) ever was.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9898920/EU-Troika-rule-in-Ireland-worse-than-British-Empire.html
Anne Wotona Kaye 1 (12.16)
In your days of training they called that GPI didn’t they? It was common then, particular among his ilk. Now they’ve sanitised it by giving it a fancy other acronym and worked a gigantic global charity scam on the back of it (so to speak).
But it’s not their fault, y’know; it’s those dirty needles that heteros use wot dun it! And the spread in Africa among all those heteros? Nobody ever mentions that buggery among ‘straights’ there was an easy form of contraception, when that epidemic started. Dutty barstewards – all.
I just remembered the old barrack room joke yhat circulated when the RSM lectured us on ‘antisocial diseases’ and prophyactics, when I was a boy:
“I was gonorrhoea wot the doctor had to say, but I went to see Phyliss instead.”
sri – prophylactic – it just slipped off my -er – finger!
Noa (13:04)
Thanks for that D Tel link about Ireland’s predicament. I remember when Ireland voted “No” to the EU first time around and I opined (on Melanie’s blog before the Speccy let her go) – and I paraphrase, because her archive has been erased,
“Don’t think they’ll let you get away with a refusal, my Irish friends. They’ll be back soon with their sweet talk and get you from behind. So let me quote the famous Irish sex manual – ‘ Brace yourself, Bridget’. There’s worse to come.”
There was! And there still is.
There are three main reasons why HIV/AIDS is so prevalent in Africa. One is the sexual promiscuity which is encouraged from a very young age. Another is the very widespread experience of sexual violence (in many countries young girls are more likely to have been raped multiple times than have a secondary education). And yet another is the fact that a large proportion of African men have large numbers of sexual partners and refuse to use barrier contraception with their wives, so that even if the wife is faithful she is likely to be infected by an unfaithful husband. Of course HIV/AIDS is also transmitted from mother to child in many cases.
These facts are rarely if ever mentioned when HIV/AIDS in Africa is discussed. The only time I have heard it raised is by an African chief who pointed to the promiscuity of his people as one of the main causes of the epidemic, and insisted that it could not be controlled until his people changed their behaviour.
It is not an AID issue, it is a moral issue. (And this certainly does not mean that all infected are morally culpable. I attended a small conference at the WCC headquarters in Geneva and was able to come to understand to some extent the experience of African women who were faithful in marriage and were infected by faithless and often violent husbands).
If any Wallsters have friends in Eastleigh they may want to remind them that a vote for the Tories will let in the Liberals.
Do please urge them to vote UKIP and start the long march back to help save Britain.
And talking of aid (foreign)…
“…Many forget that DFID is not a department which even existed the last time a Conservative Prime Minister was in office. Nor did many of the array of charities and NGOs which now operate and rely on its largesse. All are, and will be increasingly seen as, a relic of a time when Blair thought he could single-handedly change the world (for the better), and the Government thought we, as a nation, could afford to pay for his crusade…”
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2810/blair_s_britain_by_the_conservative_party
Peter from Maidstone (13:44).
I deeply distrust, because of the manipulation the corrupt charity industry and its insidious propaganda, the diagnosis and analysis of the whole phenomenon of ‘AIDS’. And the fact that the modern medical and pharmaceutical behemoth is riddled with apologists for sodomy makes the equation even more difficult to unravel.
STDS have become indeed more complex, as have all viruses, but many of the simpler forms of the Tilbury’s have now become encompassed in the multiple scams also. I agree that promiscuity is at the root of it all, but tell that to the gingers. Sodomy’s suicidal course has cost the taxpayer – and altruistic donors to charity – untold billions. And public ostracism and denunciation – in a way effective prophylactics per se – have been outlawed; all part of the problem.
It is apparently their ‘ooman right’ to be suicidal in their hedonistic depravity.
Then when nature fights back, crooks step in and throw them a lifeline – and who pays the bill and suffers from the wider consequences?
‘Polite society’ in the West has been fucked into frenetic foolishness, at best, and ultimately buggered into barbarity. I’d be tempted to think that the Muzzies have it right in their attitude to sodomy; but of course, it’s probably as prevalent in their society if not indeed worse than in among the infidels. They’re just more hypocritical about it, lying sods!
‘So who is George Laird?’
‘no idea, but i think on a drunken night i’d probably do nicola’
http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=20725
The subsequent discussion would look out of place in a novel by Henry James and I mean that as a compliment.
Gospodin Boot, our adjacent sage, is at his absolute peak with his latest example of satire at its very best “You’re on the right track, comrades”:
http://alexanderboot.com/content/you%E2%80%99re-right-track-comrades
and as I see you lurking, Andy Car Park, may I reiterate my grateful thanks for the hours of joy derived from your introduction to Mr Boot’s legion output. Now as I always follow your heads ups, I’m off to see what GL is up to.
Btw I see that Alexander has now adopted our EUSSR acronym for our totalitarian masters o’er t’channel.
Andy Car Park (15:44)
Great link! Moreover I picked this up in the comments (superimposed over an appropriate illustration):
“I am wracked with such hearty guffaws that in addition to rolling to an fro on the floor, my posterior has separated itself from my body”.
Indeed so. That’s a first, too. were you responsible?
And Littl’Nero continues to fiddle whilst Roumanians (and Bulgarians) remain a burning issue:-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2285366/Smoking-ban-public-places-extended-cars-protect-children-plan-considered-David-Cameron.html
Cameron reminds me more and more of his hero. As another destructive mega-psycho once chillingly said;
“…he hasn’t gone away, you know…”
No, indeed not, more’s the pity.
Frank P
February 28th, 2013 – 13:22
Yes, Frank GPI was the term that was used, and if we look around both Houses, Lords and Commons we can see prime examples.
Frank P
February 28th, 2013 – 15:33
I’d be tempted to think that the Muzzies have it right in their attitude to sodomy; but of course, it’s probably as prevalent in their society if not indeed worse than in among the infidels. They’re just more hypocritical about it, lying sods!
Most surely, Frank. Why do you think there are so many devoted Arabists in the Foreign Office and BBC? Rather tragically, the results of congenital syphillis are very common amongst moslems. Combined with too much intermarriage for many generations, the results do not make for prety offspring. Deformed bones, saddle noses, Argyle-Robertson pupils, idiocy, yes, it’s living proof of their depravity!
Andy Car Park – 15:44
Taxi driver’s forum? – ‘You talkin’ to me? You talking…?
Thanks for that ACP- it encouraged me to do some internet spadework. After translation from its Glasgae edition I used to enjoy some of George’s posts on the Speccie and reading this was like bumping into an old fiend:
“Still It seems that Scotland’s unpopular Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon ignored “warning bells” about how health boards were meeting her waiting times targets.
This is according to the Auditor General for Scotland.
So, after failing at one task, Alex Salmond moved her to be the ‘face of independence’, and as we currently see by poll after poll, she is failing that task too!
Time for a quote by Alex Salmond:
“My problem is that I have too many talented people and not enough Cabinet positions”!
Maybe in future, he should removed the word ‘talented’ and replace with ‘ass licking cronies’, call me visionary!”
Hilarious? Yes! Gay? No, that’s a guid Glasgae heid frae yon baldie man.
http://glasgowunihumanrights.blogspot.co.uk/
And this extract from twitter
” I would like to see Alex Salmond turn so fast he ends up with his head up his own arse, and then left on NHS trolley”
https://twitter.com/GeoLaird
Go George!
Here’s a considered take on the Birmingham bombers from a military perspective.
“..Eight years after the 7 July bombings, and almost 20 years after their ideas first inculcated themselves in the United Kingdom, we continue to see young Britons radicalised to the point of wanting to join terrorist groups and networks abroad. And in some cases they are willing to plot and carry out atrocities at home. The supply side of the terrorist threat in the UK continues to prove a problem.”
Young Britons my A@rse!
“Being born in a stable,” as the Iron Duke said, “does not make one a horse.”
Interesting site though, RUSI, and worth a rummage round for how both the Boys with their boots on the ground and the FCO strategic fantasists see things
http://www.rusi.org/analysis/commentary/ref:C51278ADD39311/#.US-VVFc5ztM
PfM 28th, – 10:38
Yes, and as it so often is, my tongue was firmly in my cheek.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2285935/Frances-black-Muslim-cabinet-minister-faces-jail-electoral-fraud.html
Jes’ sayin’ …
Anne Wotana Kay 1.
“Deformed bones, saddle noses, Argyle-Robertson pupils, idiocy, yes, it’s living proof of their depravity!”
Anne please do explain in more detail, precisely what are ‘saddle noses’ and even more intriguingly ‘Argyle-Robertson pupils’?
Do tell.
Anne.
PS. Does Ed Miliband have a saddle nose?
That does look like a stitch up.
King Hamad Hall
Emirates Old Trafford
A counterpoint to the somewhat idiosyncratic article of Mr. Alexander Boot on Abraham Lincoln entitled ‘Why I won’t go to see Lincoln’ can now be read in this piece:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/02/getting_lincoln_right.html
David Ossitt
February 28th, 2013 – 19:40
Hello David,
If you are interested in saddle noses and Argyle-Robertson pupils’, I suggest you check them out on Google. Google gives an excellent precis and also has photographs. By looking at the pictures, you can decide for yourself which politicans have them. Oh, and yes, there are also Hutchinson’s Teeth, quite a few can be seen on M.Ps!
Blimey! George Laird. Wasn’t he the bloke who always posted over at the other place and included all his titles? Some Uni or other as I recall.
Fingers crossed for Nige today!
Archie Ponsonby – It sounds like the same fellow …
Noa (17:43)
Good link. Thanks. Coincidentally – and to dovetail with your post, at about the time you were digging that out, the following link fell into my lap as I was surfing You Tube for a Waylon Jennings clip, as a diversion from the daily grind of political intrigue and their sexual shenanigans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=K375rwCgTSs&feature=endscreen
It’s the video of Mark Steyn being interviewed on March 14th 2007, by Harry Kreisler in the series ‘Conversations with History’. I remember seeing it at the time and decided to watch it again (all 55 minutes of it) to see just how prescient it was , with hindsight, given the six years that have elapsed, bearing in mind it was pre the Obamage, when Steyn had just launched his book ‘America Alone’, which I had just bought and was in the process of devouring.
I was not disappointed with the reprise and as you’ve just read his sequel, ‘After America’ (enjoyed your review btw – excellent), I’m sure you would enjoy the interview.
It is also an excellent primer for budding writers – and a dreadful rebuke for an old codger like me, who like his dad, always put as a last item on his ‘to do list’ ‘finish my book’.
Steyn is one of the very few geniuses left in journalism and this interview proves it.
As it has s.f.a to do with Waylon Jennings, I am convinced that my rig, or this blog, is under surveillance and that a mischievous geek from Echelon slipped the Steyn clip in, knowing I would be tempted and that you were at that moment linking the RUSI link on Islamic terrorism.
If my speculation is true, I’m heartened to think that the Echelon crew might be on our side. 🙂
You chaps or chapesses from E; GCHQ; NSY (little room) – or whatever are today’s equivalents, send me an email and let me know if I’m right? We’re all pro bono publico here you know – how about you? The times, they are a’changing.
btw, for Waylon Jennings fans – this was the clip I was looking for when ‘fate’ (ha!) intervened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbkWkHlVRaA
Archie, if I remember, he was a right blether. He had an intricate opinion on absolutely everything.
I always liked Boris Johnson and gave him credit not only for intelligence, but for that rare quality in a politician, integrity. Now, however, I wonder if I have been weong, swayed perhaps by his charm and wit. He has stated that if we do not pay the bonuses demanded, the bankers will fold up their tents and steal away to the States and the East. I think that no savvy bank would be falling over themselves for these spoilt darlings. China and India, let alone the States, are full of capable, bright, educated bankers, far more gifted than those who have mangled our once great banking institutions. The British taxpayer has had to bail out the RBS, and yet millions of pounds have been reserved by this greedy bank to pay bankers’ bonuses. One would think their craws would be full, but no, they still want to claw yet more taxpayers money into their greedy snouts.
They are not bankers, are they. They are gamblers. And they gamble with our money.
Malfleur (20:08)
How are using ‘idiosyncratic’ there; in the ‘genius’ connotation, or in the pejorative sense? Hope it’s not the latter? He’s a one-off alright, but in the nicest possible way.
Anne WK1 (20:21)
Put ’em straight, gal! Some sheltered lives hereabouts it seems. Commercial Road, circa late 50’s presented all the symptoms of sin and debauchery among both the ladies of the night and their clientele, I’m sure.
I think I once related the story of one famous lady of the night from the Shaftesbury Avenue/Great Windmill Street Pitch, who continued to ply her trade in the tertiary stage – and had cancer, too. She collapsed one night and was taken to Charing Cross Hospital. When asked for a diagnosis ‘for the record’, the houseman at the Cross, told the young copper reporting the incident, “Well she has Tertiary Stage Syph, colonic cancer, and gingivitis of the gums. Dunno how she makes a living, the only orifice that might be serviceable is the colostomy opening. I’ve heard of making a bit on the side, but that would be ridiculous!”
The quacks and the cops got very cynical, very young, in those days.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 on February 28th, 2013 – 22:12 “bankers folding up their tents”
There is a difference between being a banker and working in a bank.
So many of the recent headlines have been about those working in a bank who have had success elsewhere, in another ‘discipline’, and have persuaded a bank that they have that magic extra ingredient that will bring forth success. The magical experience could be advertising, law, marketing or whatever, but the important ingredient was that they hoped they would be lucky! And the unluckiest banks were those where the new recruit was lucky, because they invariably practiced the old adage: if you don’t fail the first time, try, try again!
Paul Moore, from HBOS, WAS a banker! He was a whistleblower in 2004, well before the financial crash, warning his employers that they were taking excessive risks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Moore_(banking_manager)
Those who ‘worked in a bank’ are too numerous to mention!
Malfleur (28 Feb 09:47) et al –
The article that you refer to certainly paints China in a bad light, but it relies mainly on forecasts about international trade and alleged exploitation of other countries & their rescources. There seems to be little hint of ambition to conquer places outside China by military means and to turn them into colonies as several European countries and Japan did.
But far more importantly I perceive no sign that China is intent on the kind of ideological conquest that Marxism was dedicated or the kind of religious conquest that Islam is even more implacably dedicated to.
I would not like to live in a world dominated entirely by Chinese business interests, but on the other hand if I had to choose between that and a world where I was compelled to submit, in one way or another, to Islam, I would certainly not choose the Islamic ruled world. I wonder what the rest of the CHW feel about that?
AWK1 22.12hrs
As so often in these matters a picture paints a thousand words.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/cartoon/
Stopping bonuses is like trying to stop the tide.
But whether it’s right to regulate such bonuses is surely not the function of the EU. And I have severe reservations about whether the UK government should be doing it either.
The root of the problem is that governments didn’t properly regulate bank lending and practice national prudence. They took the opportunity during the good days to tax and spend; effectively buying votes with borrowed money.
Politicians created and failed to control the problems in the first place. Remember Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and the insanity of the Fed forcing banks to loan money on property to anyone? Or Gordon Brown disastrously forcing Lloyds TSB to buy HBOS?
The politicians have been adept at doing what they know how do best. Which is, of course, blaming someone else, indeed anyone else, for what went wrong. Responsibilities flies off their shoulders like the water of a duck’s back.
Where wrong has been done it should be punished, either by the criminal or the civil and company law in order for shareholders need to be able to control their appontees’ pay.
The producers of Question Time tonight are in fine form. They’ve managed to put together an audience in Eastleigh which will enthusiastically applaud an ossified old Lefty like Ken Loach calling for a command economy and decrying our market economy.
Herbert Thornton – 23:21
“…I would not like to live in a world dominated entirely by Chinese business interests, but on the other hand if I had to choose between that and a world where I was compelled to submit, in one way or another, to Islam, I would certainly not choose the Islamic ruled world. I wonder what the rest of the CHW feel about that?”
What a choice!
To choose between living in 6th century Arabia and the Chinese equivalent of Lancashire in midst of the Industrial Revolution, with the added complication of a Marxist ideology honoured as much in the breach as in observance.
On balance it would have to be the latter, where at least there is some hope of and progress in financial and societal improvement for the individual and where the system may evolve; whereas the alternative is a theocratic, agrarian based, medieval cult dedicated to the complete and utter subjection of the human spirit.
Noa
February 28th, 2013 – 23:25
Good post!
Herbert Thornton
February 28th, 2013 – 23:21
Good morning, Herbert
The choice you offer is between a rock and a hard place, and I would not accept either. Rather like the situation in pre-World War II Germany. To avoid the real menace and evil of communism, the desperate citizens allowed Hitler to take over. To accept either is to drink from a poisoned chalice, and I would endeavour by all means to smash to vessel.
Noah – islam’s agrarian based? Who knew? Where did they grow things? (I know Egypt was fertile, but surely the rest of the core beginning of islam was in the desert? Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, etc.
I do agree that it’s a medieval cult
The Chinese, incidentally, are not Marxists. They are capitalists down to their bone marrow. Communism was imposed on them. Anyone who has lived in China, or worked among Chinese, will readily agree.
I see that the LibDems are claiming to have won in Eastleigh. That they would return another is beyond belief! Some are mentioning some postal vote hanky-panky, but how to find out? As I repeat ad nauseam; never overestimate the intelligence of the great British electorate, and it’s not the votes that count, it’s who counts the votes!
Frank P
February 28th, 2013 – 22:15
My eyes are dim I cannot see, I have not brought my specs with me……
Sorry, I’m so tired I’m off to bed. If I have nightmares, it will be your fault, Frank.
Hope to awake to a new UKIP day!
AWK – 1 March 00:25
Yes, indeed – your example of Communism versus Hitler can be called a choice between a rock and a hard place.
But not all rocks are equally hard, nor are all hard places. For instance, I wonder if you would also call it a poisoned chalice if you were asked whether you would prefer to live under Marxism or in Spain with General Franco in charge? I should have thought that on balance General Franco’s regime was preferable. He at least had the common sense to stay out of WW2.
I think Noa sums up the difference between Chinese economic dominance and submission to Islam rather well when he refers to “the complete and utter subjection of the human spirit”. I forget exactly where it is in the New Testament, but I think it has the same thing in mind when it tells people to fear those who can destroy the soul more than those who merely destroy the body.
Herbert Thornton et alios
I agree with your final paragraph; though I hope it won’t come to that. If we try a rough analysis using ‘capabilities’ and ‘intentions, I would say that islam has the intentions, but its capabilities will run dry. China has the capabilities for a longer and longer reach and its intentions can change overnight and we should not expect their power to operate always conventionally.
Andrew Roberts gives a glowing review of Mr. Max Boot’s new work, Invisible Armies:an Epic History of Guerrilla Warfare from Ancient Times to the Present at http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-63-8-solution/ The book is not, except indirectly of course, about who will conquer Britain, but Roberts quotes Boot as follows: “the spread of democracy, schools and colleges, communications technology, the mass media, and international organizations—all of which have sapped the will of states to engage in protracted counterinsurgencies, especially outside their own territory, and heightened the ability of insurgents to survive even after suffering military setbacks.”
If we consider how this weakness might be unconventionally exploited, it is possible to imagine a race on among “invisible armies” in Great Britain which are, unlike most insurgencies, an arm of external powers and can change faces between civil and military as required. Peter from Maidstone’s link to Simon Hughes gives a taste of what shape this might arrive in from islam. The flavour is something akin to a meeting in 16th or 17th century England among devotees of one of the two great channels of Christianity that were from time to time having to organize underground.
Of China, it has been said that the country does not have a tradition of invading others. This may be partly true,and of course the country has been geographically circumscribed on the east. On the west, an animated historical map might show a different story, though largely halted for the time being by the Arab army in 751AD at the Talas River, now in the country which the Secretary of State for the Free World mispronounced earlier this week, Kyrgyztan.
Be that as it may, what is unfolding now is the terrible logic of the industrial market economy on the Chinese scale, sucking in hecatombs of raw materials from America, Africa, and the USSR on a scale never seen, and blowing out howling winds of stuff which must be bought or the assembly belt will back up to doom. Nothing can stop this except something which would itself be a colossal disaster. If we do not consider that the process may transmit demands through economic, political, cultural and military means on our already creaking and buckling polity, then we will not have learned much from our own imperial history.
The political, cultural and ideological structure of Great Britain is being honeycombed by ethnicities and commercial entities who owe no first allegiance, and by political interests which warp true allegiance against the line of the best of the country’s idiosyncratic character and culture; this situation is part caused and part exacerbated by the European Union.This weakens the central resolve and identity of the people and leaves them prey to stronger ambitions. My sense is that the country, and perhaps the West is up for grabs. Is there an invisible army that wants enough to keep it? I don’t see one.
Gentlemen in England? Nobody out of bed to read the headlines yet?
I’m up and making packed lunches for the children at the moment.
I guess I am interested in knowing whether more could have been done to secure a UKIP victory, and the effect of 14,000 postal votes cast before the full extent of the LibDem shenanigans had been made public.
A good result for UKIP, but it will, to some extent, simply produce a whole raft of lies and deception by the Conservatives promising to investigate and initiate and begin to look at etc etc all manner of things which they hope would make them look like UKIP a little, without doing anything that UKIP would want to do.
I note that a police chaplain has been told his services are no longer required because he supports marriage and opposes ‘gay marriage’ and the Strachclyde Police say this breaches their equality policies…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9901134/Police-chaplain-forced-out-after-criticising-gay-marriage.html
Herbert Thornton
March 1st, 2013 – 01:04
AWK – 1 March 00:25
Yes, indeed – your example of Communism versus Hitler can be called a choice between a rock and a hard place.
But not all rocks are equally hard, nor are all hard places. For instance, I wonder if you would also call it a poisoned chalice if you were asked whether you would prefer to live under Marxism or in Spain with General Franco in charge? I should have thought that on balance General Franco’s regime was preferable. He at least had the common sense to stay out of WW2.
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Sorry, Herbert, Maybe my sentiments are out of date, but as far as I am concerned no dictator is bearable. I was born free, and am prepared, indeed, demand to die free. In the words of the greatest Englishman of our times, I repeat:
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender,
I agree with Anne. Why equivocate. No totalitarian state is acceptable or worthy of support.
“The Eastleigh by-election result significantly bolsters the authority of the Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg, who made a string of personal visits to the town.”
I stared long at this sentence which leads off the front page of The Independent, hoping for a shaft of light to illuminate the path in that jungle into which, to be true, I do not normally penetrate without trained mind readers and smooth-muzzled gun dogs, but without being able to grasp cognitively the numina which had descended on the pen of, it is to be presumed, Mr. Christopher Blackhurst, possibly in a marriage of effort at the highest level with his young deputy-editor, Archie Bland.
The jungle canopy parted! …a light thesaurus sprinkled down bringing hope if not of light, then fertility!… but that great centre arch of the arm of prose:the three words: ‘significantly’, ‘bolster’, and ‘authority’. stays fixed, immovable, and I begin to think like Richard ll in Pomfret Castle: “Thoughts tending to ambition, they do plot Unlikely wonders”.
Help me out, countrymen! What is this sentence doing?
Peter from Maidstone @ 08:19
The Strathclyde Police have devoted their lives to upholding the Law; you can’t expect them to change just because the Law has changed. For the non-uniformed though, these are customs which are more honoured in the breach than the observance. otherwise, you have to change the law back. A modern policeman is like a cork in a bottle – if you stick a corkscrew in him, he will turn.
Great result at Eastleigh
Massive swing to UKIP from con and the limp dems.
Why this is seen as good for clegg defeats me. Why is no-one saying a 14% swing would mostly wipe out the limp dems at the next election. They won cos Eastleigh is a massive Limpdem safe seat.
Disaster for Cameron. His centerist bollocks has been rejected. Good.
Disater for Milliband. OK o’Farrell is damaged cos of his comments about the IRA and Thatcher, and also the Falklands, but what a damp squib for labour.
Lets be careful about extrapolating Eastleigh to a 2015 GE cos there are special local factors.
Alexandr
Agreed! Now UKIP has to get serious and start a real campaign – and not accept too many dodgy donors who will now start to oil out of the woodwork drawn by the sweet smell of success.
Herbert Thornton 28th, – 23:21
“I wonder what the rest of the CHW feel about that?”
I’m really uncomfortable with your perception that the Chinese aren’t attempting to achieve a hegemony over lands outside their current borders.
But I wholly agree with your final paragraph!!!
“Help me out, countrymen! What is this sentence doing?”
Talking sh*t?
I am glad to see that Mr. Farage gave the lie to Colonel Mustard at the Other Place in Forsyth’s thing when he said: “success in the polls was not the result of a protest vote, but because his party connects with people who want it to speak for them”.
Malfleur
“…and not accept too many dodgy donors who will now start to oil out of the woodwork drawn by the sweet smell of success.”
Damn! I had thought I might get at least a back garden wind turbine out of last weeks £50 back hander.
I loved farages line that the tories split the UKIP vote. Classic!
Guardian headline:
“Michael Gove makes Thatcher analogy as he insists PM will not lurch to right due to Ukip’s surge into second place”
Yes, but will he lurch to the centre?
It will be all or nothing, so it will be … !
Peter @ 7.38
14,000 postal? Is that correct? If so, UKIP, or anyone else out the slug 3 have zero chance in any election.
I AM DELIGHTED but the result for UKIP in Eastleigh.
This is now the LAST CHANCE to save our country from total collapse under mass immigration, Islamisation and the fall of all our institutions to The Left.
There is NO HOPE for the Conservative Party while the charlatan Cameron is in charge. The Conservative Party will not take any concerted action to defend the indigenous people of this country, take on the tyranny of the EU, cease unlimited Third World immigration or stand up for law and order.
Our only hope is UKIP – and may they go from strength to strength!
Hoobloodyray! UKIP pulls it off. One of the most telling points on the doorstep was peoples concerns over immigration and the refusal of the mainstream parties to address this issue, a very dangerous stance to take in a democracy. This result was a shot across the bows for the main parties, England has started to fight back, and we won’t stop until we have won.
Alexsandr
March 1st, 2013 – 10:42
I loved farages line that the tories split the UKIP vote. Classic!
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Well, don’t forget you read it here first, yesterday, at 14.19, on Coffeehouse Wall.
As possibly, did Nigel Farage.
RobertC – 11:03
“…Yes, but will he lurch to the centre?”
Lurch? Ah yes, the butler from “The Addams Family”.
“You rang?”
Malfleur (1 March 09:07) –
Here are my thoughts on your question. –
“Thoughts tending to ambition” are what we might call wishful thinking – combined with lust for power. ”Unlikely wonders” are what can follow from that.
Unfortunately, in our modern world, the media have the power to induce wishful thinking. It’s called brainwashing.
I think that the sentence you cite is part of a brainwashing campaign to induce people to believe that Clegg and his party deserve public support.
Ostrich (occasionally) (1 March 09:38)
It isn’t quite accurate to say that I have a “perception that the Chinese aren’t attempting to achieve a hegemony over lands outside their current borders”. In fact I think that the Chinese regard economic hegemony as something that is going to become their natural due.
What I do say on the other hand is that I perceive no sign that the Chinese want to use military force to establish and actually rule, as a sovereign power, over colonies.
Malfleur writes: “China has the capabilities for a longer and longer reach and its intentions can change overnight.”
No way.
No way.
No way.
The Chinese do not do anything overnight. They do things only after intensive planning and replanning. They plan and plan and decide and decide and decide, and when a final decision is reached, it is solid and they stick with it. If there is one thing you can trust in this life, it is Chinese planning.
I don’t know how the communists got hold of the people at the top and how they tolerated 50 years of misery, but they are back and will become the world’s number one superpower within 50 years at the outside. Perhaps 25 or 30 years.
Noah 11:50 – Butler from the Addams Family. V good!
Malfleur 02:09 – I actually wouldn’t mind if China became the world’s super power, partly because they are not really interested in non-Chinese, except as customers. My view is, that, with the one child policy they so far-sightedly imposed, and the population’s obedience to the edict, China will become the superpower of the world and will hold that position for a long time.
By this, I mean economic power. I don’t think they are interested in conquest of land. They’ve go their population under control and they are now ready to exploit, for economic gain, the rest of the world. Chinese planning is awesome. Everything works.
Verity, most Chinese live in utter poverty under totalitarian rule, and the communists are still in charge.
All it takes is for the world to refuse to pay debts owed to China and to take back businesses invested in by China and it will collapse. All of the great wealth it has accumulated is as bogus as the wealth of the West, though in China’s case it is built on slavery.
Verity
The Chinese are, in the words of The Who, will “…die before they get old”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China
PfM @ 14.06
Not forgetting their keeping their currency artificially low so as to accelerate factory (and job) relocation for long enough to establish themselves as THE centre of manufacturing.
And also when necessary operating as the most cynical and ruthless colonialists in Africa since the Belgians.
Malfleur 20:09 – “China has the capabilities for a longer and longer reach and its intentions can change overnight …”. Ha ha ha ha haha! The Chinese don’t do anything overnight! They plan, and plan, and plan, and plan and plan. They have patience. They are cool-headed. They lose face if they make a mistake, so they don’t make mistakes.
Trust me. The Chinese aren’t going to make any sudden moves. They are pragmatists and they know that they need the grweilos, and other wealthy tribes, to continue their economic expansion.
They and the Jews are the two most intelligent races. Trust me, the Chinese are not going to chance losing face by making any sudden moves.
Your final para – agree.
Alexander 10:42 – Classic indeed!
P from M – Could you please make the date stamp stronger? The sun is GLARING AGGRESSIVELY onto my computer screen and I am not really able to read the date stamps, so I may be quoting people in the wrong post. I have two pillowcases hanging up, one over the other, in the window, but cannot stop this aggressive glare! Please put the date stamp in normal type.
“What I do say on the other hand is that I perceive no sign that the Chinese want to use military force to establish and actually rule, as a sovereign power, over colonies.”
Go and tell that to the Tibetans.
Can’t help wondering if Farage himself had stood in Eastleigh, whether he would have actually won. We will never know.
Regarding Cameron “lurching” to the Right, Centre or anywhere else, the only place I would like to see him lurch is off the edge of a very high cliff. Maybe the Tories will now come to their senses and remove this charlatan. After all they did that with IDS, a much better man than Cameron, IMHO.
It doesn’t look as if the Tories have the remotest chance of winning the GE in 2015 outright, not with that creature in charge. With a bit of luck, Eastleight will prove to be Cameron’s Waterloo.
Verity, I have modified the style of the site as you requested.
Reading through the posts here today, I’m beginning to wonder whether what I observed last night, as I sat up and watched the result of the By Election down in Yachting club territory unfold, was indeed a dream – nay – a milder than usual nightmare.
In that dream, the LibDumps, despite having been utterly rubbished by personal and party scandals for the last month or so; despite their previous MP for the constituency being exposed with strange sexual proclivities, having a very strange attitude to his own marriage and marriage in general, having extremely dodgy connections with regard to the AGM/Green energy scams, having to resign and perhaps facing imprisonment after pleading ‘Guilty’ to a very serious criminal rap (but not before lying to his back teeth and constituents, his Prime Minister and the world); despite the LibDump Party Leader being caught out lying and lying again and then lying yet again (ad infinitum) about his ennobled Party Chairman who resigned in face of complaints by ‘females’ within his party; despite P f M publishing a video yesterday of another prominent hierarchical and depraved LibDump MP traitorously offering his country lock-stock-and-barrel to Islamic jihad: despite all of that – the esteemed denizens of Eastleigh in the Southern County of England voted this rag-tag-and-bobtail of queers and liars into power again (and I’m sure the actual candidate is a very nice nice man, it the weird mob he represents that is he problem).
And unsurprisingly their partners in crime in the current administration, having also lied to their back their back teeth whilst in office and continued to leach power to the totalitarian EUSSR (pretending to do otherwise) being led by an oleaginous ex TV PR wonk from the latest outcrop of the Eton/Bullington Mafia, got beaten into third place – and by a parvenu party with a populist leader who knows how to talk the talk and walk the walk, but unfortunately hasn’t yet got his shit together in way that stands a dewdrops chance in Hades of making an difference whatsoever to the current grip on politics of the entrenched elites from the Co-Lib-Lb mafias.
A straw in the wind? Maybe. Good luck Farage (and the nice lady from his party who almost won the seat and whose name I have already forgotten as she fades into obscurity after her brief spell in the limelight as ‘runner up’); I hope you eventually succeed in your quest to wrest our country back from the clutches of the Brussels behemoth. But being a brave and promising loser don’t amount to jack shit in politics. UKIP did not win the Eastleigh by election; the fucking LibDumps gobsmackingly retained the seat! Or was I indeed dreaming?
If not there are a few stalwarts here who are apparently having wet dreams which will, I’m sad to say, end in an anti-climax. What does this result say about the electorate of England, is the question that I need an answered? A little realpolitik is in order maybe?
Actually, the Milibrat will be laughing all the way to the bank. His ultimate tenacy of No.10 is now assured. There’s the rub … surely?
Frank P, both the LibDems and the Conservatives lost over 5,000 votes each. That seems hopeful and significant. On the day UKIP gained the greatest number of votes cast, it was the postal votes, sent in before the bad news about Lord Groper, which won the LibDems the election. If 800 more LibDems had chosen to vote for UKIP, and/or a few hundred more electors had been persuaded to come out and vote, then UKIP would have won.
This was in a context in which NO major press or news outlet was supporting UKIP.
What matters is the next byelection, and what we are all going to do to support UKIP in getting a UKIP MP elected. If my hopes to turn this site into a more magazine format are able to come to fruition then I would want to swing whatever tiny influence we have behind UKIP. And if more feet on the ground are required then I think we need to try to support that as well.
Where does a popular uprising begin? Perhaps we see it beginning at Romford, and Eastleigh and wherever else is next? What work must begin NOW to ensure that my own MP is not re-elected?
Peter
If? If my naughty niece had testicles, she’s be my nephew! Actually I wish I had read Alexander Boot before I posted; his analysis is much more detailed, cogent and as ever, more whimsical than my little rant, but his conclusions, though somewhat more nuanced, are very similar – we’re fucked! To paraphrase Clinton’s cry, “It’s the electorate, stupid!”
http://alexanderboot.com/content/ukip-can-destroy-tories-then-what
He may say that. But whenever I am fortunate enough to be able to discuss these things with him he always reprimands me if I adopt a hopeless attitude and insists there is always hope. And for the one with faith there is always hope. Things can change. The battle is against spiritual forces of darkness who use those who willingly give themselves to darkness.
Archie Verity it is him; George Laird The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University.
Frank, if!
Its a necessary part of reviewing an event to consider how a stronger outcome might be achieved in the future.
If we had 800 votes is a different question to if we had 8000 votes. UKIP has clearly done something right because we are asking the former question not the latter.
For instance, if 2000 UKIP supporters had moved to Eastleigh temporarily when the by election was announced and registered as electors then UKIP would have won.
And reading Mr. Boot it would seem that he is also happy to use the word IF and propose future actions to increase the possibility of UKIP influence.
Stephen Mayberry 11.19 (I think) – Well said and agreed. Yes, possibly they voted UKP to give Cameron a punch in the face, but every vote is a building block for the credibility of UKIP. There’s no going back.
Incidentally, Nigel Farage is the most quick-witted leader. The rest are duds. I can’t even remember who is Labour’s front man. It’s not even on the tip of my tongue.
Hexamgeezer writes: “Not forgetting their keeping their currency artificially low so as to accelerate factory (and job) relocation for long enough to establish themselves as THE centre of manufacturing.”
So? No other country manipulates its currency?
Lesley C 14:49 (Thanks, P from M!) Agreed!
David Ossitt, thanks! I hadn’t realised that the denizens of Glasgow University have no human rights and are dependent on George Laird to fight their corner.
Peter
If?
If ‘its’ and ‘ands’ were pots and pans, there’d be no work for tinkers’ hands!
– as my old granny was wont to say – and to iterate it more politely than I did previously.
Lol! It’s a pretty pointless saying though. There are plenty of other old sayings about not giving up. You seem to be proposing giving up just because a UKIP MP was not elected yesterday. Mr. Boot doesn’t give up, he says ‘IF’ UKIP do this and that then there is hope.
BTW – how can I stop this ‘tablet’ (Nexus 7) from emending words without my bidding? 🙂
It changed ifs to its in the above quoted proverb.
Peter , Peter …
The obvious, when it’s staring one in the face, shouldn’t be ignored. The US electorate voted for Obama – TWICE! Yesterday, the idiots of Eastleigh voted for a LibDem candidate, despite all the considerations enumerated above. Hope springs eternal? It does indeed, which is probably why they respectively did it. And it’s also why we’re in deep doo- dah. Even Papa Ratzi cashed in his chips when confronted with ‘the bleedin’ obvious’. Flatulation agin thunder. I don’t blame him.
Well-wisher and Verity
The Chinese are not by nature expansionist. In the case of Tibet, they have always – rightly or wrongly – regarded it as Chinese territory. The one recent military foray they tried dealt them a bloody nose, i.e. into North Vietnam in the 1970s I think it was. Nevertheless I have to say that Napoleon was right. “Let China sleep, for when she wakens the world will surely tremble”!
Lesley C. 14:49 “If Farage himself had stood in Eastleigh”
I think that strategy has trumped tactics, thankfully!
If Farage had stood in Eastleigh, and won, what would UKIP have done, with him needed in:
1) Eastleigh, as a new constituency MP, and to increase the UKIP presence at all political levels, just as the LibDems did so successfully
2) Westminster (with cameras and high expectations from the media) where he would need to learn the ropes PDQ before he could give his speeches knowing he hadn’t tripped up on some parliamentary ettequette that would reverberate though the BBC
3) in his Euro-constituency
4A) Brussels as UKIP leader and
4B) Brussels as the leader of the Europe of Freedom and Democracy (EFD) euro-group.
If he had come second, it would be ‘another loss’, after fighting the Speakers seat. UKIP also need to get more people in the public eye and ‘on the ground’, and he isn’t local.
Hence, he didn’t stand. Today, Diane James is an extra UKIPer, with a lot of experience under her belt, and known to the public.
As I have read from some good posts recently, do what the the Chinese do: plan, plan and plan, making the correct decisions, until the inevitable happens.
Frank, the people of Eastleigh didn’t vote for a Lib Dem candidate. The vast majority voted for someone else. In fact only 16% of the people of Eastleigh voted for the LibDem candidate. So it is a bit unfair to say that the people of Eastleigh voted for a LibDem candidate.
Multiple posters – “Chinese planning”
I think, though, one can over plan. That is what too much centralisation does.
Where as many political philosophies have easily visible rules, Capitalism, (which may not even be a philosophy), has rules that are not so visible. Many are revealed only by working in a system that acknowledges capital as a scarce resource and that it can be accumulated by everyone, though the effort needs to be accompanied by some smart thinking. Examples of the rules include: money is a promise that someone will deliver wealth, to you, at a future date, that promise requires trust on both sides, so making a free market. To my ind, it follows that currencies should be allowed to float. (Hence the Euro-mess!)
Just as all the telephones in the world need to be part of one system, (otherwise you won’t be able to phone them), the world currencies need to be part of one system, so that wealth can be exchanged across currency boundaries. North Korea may be an interesting exception, in both instances.
Making widgets all day does not generate wealth if they are of not of sufficient quality, at the right price, and wanted by those with wealth of their own. Adding in our Government’s cut into the equation can also upset the delicate balance that is required for a buyer and seller to make an exchange.
I wonder if the Chinese need a better understanding of this anecdote: If I owe the bank £1000 I have problem, but if I owe the bank £1,000,000, the bank has a problem.
To help them understand it a little more, I could add: If I owe the bank £1,000,000,000,000, it is the Government that has a problem.
I’m thinking off developing a local politics website, and then using it to critique local and national politics, in so far as they affect the constituency. I am thinking that it might be possible to gain a local following and visibility, and then use the site to promote, even subvertingly, a patriotic view point, such that it is presented discretely but repeatedly that voting for the Conservatives, Lib Dems or Labour is a bad thing, and other people will look down on you and laugh at you if you admit to doing so.
I wonder? All things are possible IF we give them a go. This is why I am not yet a member of UKIP. I want the freedom to subvert.
Frank P 16:50
‘Peter, Peter …’
Who do we think we are then, Sir … ?
Bloody Greta Garbo, stark naked save for a shortie nightie, hanging on to the window sill, and I could see her knuckles all white, saying ‘Peter, Peter’. You know how those bloody Swedes go on …
I have come across another forgotten soul: forgotten by the media, forgotten by the system and forgotten by those who want justice:
http://englandcalling.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/what-has-happened-to-emma-west
“It is now 14 months since Emma West was charged with racially aggravated public order offences after she got into an argument on a tram which led her to make loud complaint about the effects of mass immigration. This was captured by a passenger on a mobile phone and uploaded to YouTube.”
Slight Precising: “Despite being put into a high security prison for more than a month and having the risk that her son be taken into care, Miss West has made it clear throughout that she wishes to plead Not Guilty. The reason for the delay probably lies in that plea. The liberal elite rely on people charged with such offences being intimidated into pleading Guilty. A full blown trial would mean public discussion of the consequences of mass immigration and the ruthless measures which the liberal elite use to suppress such debate.”
Interesting that it is being suggested on this thread at the other place that a Conservative MP is about to join UKIP?
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/03/eastleigh-result-tories-arent-panicking-but-that-doesnt-mean-they-wont/
PfM
Somebody over at Guido suggests it might be that Mordaunt bloke.
Peter
As long as FPTP is regarded as ‘democracy’ in this country’ it seems fair enough to put it the way I did. But as we’ve all been asserting that, in any case, the real power resides in Europe, and It does, this dog and pony show is irrelevant. Another distraction, while the puppeteers over there do as they please – what has Nigel done to change things from inside the loop? They sit and listen to his eloquent rants, then smile cynically and get on with ‘business as usual’. Theatre – not politics. He needs to get out of his comfort zone and recruit real conservatives to his movement – he blew his chance yesterday – he could have been the first Ukip MP today – he blew it. Lacks cojones, I’m afraid. His rationale today is phoney.
I’v often said I won’t vote for the Conservative Party until it is lead by Christina Hamilton.She has now joined UKIP,and has just been on PM[Radio 4] giving the conservative spokesman a sound thumping.She said to the effect:Cameron should apologise for his `loonies,etc`remark to all the normal people who have voted UKIP;Cameron can’t `renegotiate`relationship with the EU….and other good stuff said with even more force then Thatcher in full flood.
ACP 1st, – 17:28
“and I could see her knuckles all white”
You were looking at her KNUCKLES???
🙂
ACP
Heh, heh, heh. Stop lurking and let’s have the benefit of your considered opinion, Bruce.
And btw, it’s ‘dumplings’ in these ‘ere parts, not ‘Swedes’. Remind me – did her shortie nightie expose her dumplings – so long ago, I can’t remember. And don’t fret, my resolve is about to peter, peter out.
If you haven’t seen this, you may find it interesting….. –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfqU_0Ph2X8
Robert C 17:37 “I wonder if the Chinese need a better understanding of this anecdote: If I owe the bank £1000 I have problem, but if I owe the bank £1,000,000, the bank has a problem.”
How patronnising of you. I have never been to China, but I have been to Hong Kong several times, where capitalism is so intense you’re almost swept away, and Singapore, where I worked for four years and where, in the commercial centre, you don’t have to wait for traffic lights to cross the road because that would separate you from commerce for two or three minutes, as they have escalators going over the roads and they debouche you directly into a stores and shopping centres.
Mega rich Singapore was built from NOTHING. NADA. And now you have Westerners going down to Immigration to renew their work pass, being extremely courteous and agreeble to the Immigration offficers on the other side of the window.
Please don’t be silly.
Local newspaper web-sites are a good place to post comments,more so then the national press where they are lost in a deluge of others.
Verity, Hong Kong is not China. China is a totalitarian slave state. It has nothing to teach us unless we want to learn totalitarianism.
Peter f.M. –
You say that Hong Kong “is not China”, but I believe it would be much more accurate to say that Hong Kong is a rather special sort of China but is nonetheless essentially Chinese to its very core.
I see too that you disagree with Verity but I don’t. I lived & worked in Hong Kong between 1989 and 1995; I have a friend who has recently spent several years teaching in China (in Cheng Du); and my son has several friends who have been in China for several years teaching English. Their experiences and mine make it very difficult for me to agree with your characterisation of China as “a totalitarian slave state”.
To my mind China is hardly more a totalitarian slave state than was Britain in the 19th century. The early 19th Century British Establishment and the current Communist Party of China – to my mind – closely resemble each other. And, for that matter, the current British Establishment is now reverting more and more towards a form of totalitarian government.
I should have thought that North Korea – (not to mention Saudi Arabia where they both outlaw Christianity & actually do have slaves) – were more deserving of being called “totalitarian slave states”.
Territorially China is not at rest. Witness their claims on the Paracel and Spratly island groups in the South China Sea
Herbert Thornton (18:24)
Seems to be the same meeting that Simon Hughes attended and offered up Parliament to the collected members of the jihad. How long O Lord & when?
And you wonder why I’m dispirited?
Abandon hope all ye who enter here. 🙂
Watching him simpering away to Brillo last night on the BBC by election coverage, with the image of Peter’s video clip still fresh in my mind, was puke inducing.
And I noted that our erstwhile Deputy Prime Minister was in fine syntactic form. HTF did Brillo and Portillo keep a straight face when he embarked on one of his unintelligible, vacuous circular unfinished everlasting sentences? And I note, judging by the ample flesh hanging over his belt and his fourteen chins, that he seems to have shaken off the bulimia shtick. When they started to discuss the behaviour of the ‘elderly powerful political gropers, exercising power over vulnerable young political groupies’ and he solemnly nodded, with no discernible sign of irony from anyone present on the BBC couches, I changed over to Fox News for a break. Of course none of them had ever done it, nor witnessed it, themselves.
Westerners made Singapore and Hong Kong. And in the latter case Chinese people flocked to it from all over the mainland for over 150 years to escape a succession of corrupt and brutal Chinese regimes because the British administration there offered the chance of freedom, security, justice and prosperity. And they were still doing so after Tiananmen Square in 1989 from a Chinese regime that murdered its own students with the PAP in the border zones still shooting them and beating them to death when they were caught.
So please don’t write drivel about subjects you know nothing about except from a few cloistered and privileged years as an expat eating dim sum, enjoying the shopping and listening to the anecdotes of friends.
WOW – somebody must have poured a lot of alcohol and vitriol into the Wishing Well.
frank p 17:46 ‘Nigel blew his chance’
Please see my post at 16:52 for the reasons that I disagree with this.
Nigel has always said his mission was to go to Brussels and report back what was happening, though I expect this focus has changed recently!
It has taken a long while for his, and others, reports to sink in and there is still a long way to go. There has also been the job of creating a party, from scratch, and avoiding people attracted to a quick gain at the expense of others.
Also, UKIP contains many people other than ex-Torys, and while much of the Tory party, the conservative values bit, is sound, I think there is much to offend. Some is due to a lack of understanding of Capitalism and the idea of a Free Market, but some is not!
Nigel does get out and recruit, but many of the new recruits are new to politics and many were Labour or LibDem voters. There are some Tories as well, but they are the people who still have a soul, and a brain!
The old Tory party might have had much in common with UKIP, but they have moved passed the centre to the left and they have always loved the EEC (Heath), EC (Major) and now Cameron (Lisbon). Many Tories don’t get it.
The EU is not our friend and I think the Tory Party ‘infrastructure’, as it is now, is infected beyond the point of no return. What is stopping Redwood, Hannan, Carswell and others from making, at the minimum, friendly noises?
FPTP has been an obstacle, but with the Eastleigh results in, it looks like that is changing.
Well-wisher 20:06
“the British administration there offered the chance of freedom, security, justice and prosperity”
Wow! They could do it here, given a chance!
I’ve given up on Hannan. He was trying to say yesterday that the Conservative Party was eurosceptic. I don’t think so. And that he would pretend that was the case seems to me to indicate he is happy to play along for future prospects.
No alcohol, Thornton, the comment was made whilst stone cold sober. Vitriol? Yes and stronger stuff than the scorn you are pouring.
Redwood showed his true colours on QT when he slithered behind a facade of appeasement. Hannan waxed lyrical about the strengths and qualities of American conservatism (true) but has made no effort whatsoever to encourage or represent those strengths and qualities here. Most of them are more interested in their political “careers” or second jobs in the media than in the dangerous integrity of standing for something they believe in come what may.
If UKIP represents the only hope for true conservatives then God help us. There will be a national crisis with the bombshell of Scots independence in 2014 that will leave them high and dry. What’s left might still pretend to call itself the United Kingdom but won’t be any more.
Well Wisher –
Pour as much concentrated vitriol and shout as much abuse as you like, but the Chinese and their country will continue to occupy their rightful place as one of the world’s greatest civilisations – and Cameron and the other fake Conservatives will continue to be part of the Establishment conspiracy to destroy Britain.
Herbert Thornton 1st, – 19:13
What you’ve written seems to chime OK with my own (relatively limited) experience
of the place.
RobertC 1st, – 21:36
“The EU is not our friend and I think the Tory Party ‘infrastructure’, as it is now, is infected beyond the point of no return.”
So what do we do…sit on the handcart to Hell as it rolls down the hill, or scrabble around looking to see if it’s got any brakes, or, by doing anything that might allow Labour to get its cretinous hands on the steering wheel (and that includes flawed ‘tactical’ voting), find ourselves driven by a lunatic with his foot hard on the accelerator?
Cameron and his cabal have wasted 3 years constraining themselves to work within a frame, and a language, written by labour; redefining the problem in the terms now perceived among that moiety of the British population that isn’t brain-dead should have been their first priority. Now they’ve left themselves with insufficient time to do anything but damage limitation.
Its very hard to see in what way China is a great civilisation. It may be a large state but that isn’t the same as being civilised surely. 70% of Chinese are living in rural poverty.
Frank P is sounding a bit of an Eeeyore today on this Eastleigh business. Of course we all have moods, and earlier yesterday if I read him aright he was mildly contemplating the necessity for armed struggle, but when I read his link to Mr. Alexander Boot’s essay I thought I must be looking at an entirely different article from the one he had mentioned.
Invoking Lenin’s pamphlet ‘What Can Be Done?’, Mr. Boot comes up with a robust if challenging 4-point plan for UKIP’s next phase:
“First, UKIP must come up with an all-embracing political philosophy, positioning itself as the true conservative party, the only one capable of upholding the country’s ancient constitution, making it prosperous, just and free…
…Then UKIP must translate this philosophy into the kind of sound bytes that can penetrate the consciousness of a public that has been systematically and, one suspects, deliberately corrupted and dumbed down….
…UKIP must employ the best talent to carry the sound bytes to the populace – widely, incessantly and effectively…
…Finally, the party must contest every election, communicating to voters its seriousness of purpose. The electorate must be made to realise that UKIP’s intention is to form the government…”
Sounds like a plan!
Verity 18:27 “If I owe the bank £1000 I have problem”
We have a local Capitalist in our village. He runs a garage. I went to get a bulb replaced and he only charged me for the bulb; the labour charge was zero. Why? Because they are my local garage. They have been for years, because they provide me with a good service.
This is similar to what you describe in your post about China.
Unfortunately, our National Government and Local Government do not have the same attitude as the above. China also does not have this attitude. Their government does not understand that trading with another country, with different currency, means that the two become part of a system that needs to adjust according to the situation and not keep a constant exchange rate. It is impossible for every country to have more exports than imports. Germany thinks it can force the other Euro zone countries to pay back their loans. It isn’t working. The investor has to take responsibility. After all, it is his capital!
The Chinese should have allowed their currency to increase. You may say that it would devalue their holdings in dollars, and it would be true, but this is what has happened in the West (on and off) for centuries. China has caught up with the west, and they think they are in a financial battle, and winning, just like Germany. Just as the wealthy will have to pay for our current malaise, so the Chinese will have to give a little. The alternative is not nice to think about!
Ostrich (occasionally) on March 1st, 2013 – 23:22 ‘So what do we do’
Join a political party and get involved! I don’t think it matters too much which one, though intelligence can be used when making the decision! If you find it unbearable, switch!
You may never know what you missed unless you try!
Not Communist? No territorial Ambitions?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/6235406/China-60th-anniversary-of-Communist-rule-biggest-celebration-in-Chinese-history.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/01/china-military-60th-anniversary-parade
An MP confesses:”…..my friends…..the activists who helped get me elected….are emigrants.”:Gavin Barwell,MP;Croydon Central(Con.). EMMA WEST is one of his constituents.He has said of her:”This is one English woman we can do without”.[I hope readers may have looked-up the link to her case given by Robert C ;Mch 1st,17-37.] Barwell has never had a job outside the Conservative Party.He has founded `Emigration Matters`to counter calls for an end to it.
P.f.Maidstone (1 March 23:22)
I hesitate to get into an argument about what “rural poverty” means, because it can raise such emotions, but I have read horrendous descriptions of famines in 19th century rural China when starving people could be seen who were reduced to skin and bones and were close to death. I’ve never, thank God, witnessed anything like that, but I do remember that around 1934 when I was 4 years old seeing children in Preston with shabby clothes and no shoes, and much later in the 1950s in Dar es Salaam (East Africa), where I lived for 8 years, seeing Africans with no possessions whatsoever except a few rags to cover themselves.
I guess I’m saying that the meaning of “poverty” is relative – but having said that I believe that it’s reasonably clear that for a good number of years now, people in rural China have longer had to face starvation.
But what now, in China, is considered to be “rural poverty” I won’t venture to say. Can you give us your assessment of what it now actually means?
Herbert Thornton 19:13 – Agreed! I worked in Singapore for four years and I was the only gweilo in the company. The Chinese are not only entrepreneurial but terribly good at it. They are also hard workers. If they have started on a task and the clock hits 5;30 or whenever, no one leaves their desk until they finish the task they had started and drift off around 6pm or later.
Recently, there were photos in The Mail showing people bicycling with huge loads .. in one instance, cans to recycle stacked in gigantic bags, on both sides of the motorcycle and huge backs tied one on top of the other, towering on the pillion. Dangerous, of course, but one entrepreneurial man or, more likely, family, had scoured the streets and collected all these tin cans for recycling. For money. You can’t separate Chinese from entrepreneurial. And they are damned good at it.
Robert C 21:40 – Well said that man!
Herbert Thornton 23:00 – Well said that man!
Ostrich (occasionally) 23:22 – Agreed. The Tories are infected beyond return. And the weird and repulsive David Cameron has indeed wasted three years implementing Labour policy. I can only say that I loathed him on sight. He looked like the school sneak.
Well Wisher 20:06 – Singapore was made into the dynamic place that it is by the Straits Chinese. Are you saying that the British invented Peranekan food, as well?
Malfleur 23:53 – …”Finally, the party must contest every election” presumably using the expensive tactics suggested by Alexander Boot. What he fails to mention is how the hell all this is going to be funded. UKIP is operating – and doing it well, with a lot of volunteer help – on a very limited budget. If Mr Boot wants to send Nigel some money, I am sure it would be acknowledged graciously.
Radford Ng 1:40 speaking of UKIP .. …”Finally, the party must contest every election.” And they are going to get the money for this how?
Although I think that now they have proved that they can win an election, more funds will come siphoning through, but they will be operating on a shoe string, I think, until they pull off another victory. I think then real money will begin to trickle in.
Another one bites the sand!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2286899/Feared-Al-Qaeda-commander-Abou-Zeid-killed-French-forces-Mali-mountains.html
Verity @ 3:56
Paying for it: first things first – ‘no revolutionary practice without revolutionary theory’ – no customers without something to sell.
Thornton: “Pour as much concentrated vitriol and shout as much abuse as you like”
Shouting online is held to be the use of block capitals. They are absent from my comments. Abuse was suggesting that my comment was fuelled by alcohol. It was not. You clearly admire the modern Chinese state. I don’t. Great civilisations do not murder students or execute dissidents. A great civilisation would not do what the Chinese authorities are doing in Tibet or in other minority regions of China such as Xinjiang. There is no democracy in China. There is not even benign or enlightened rule. There is rampant corruption in both business and government, as there always has been. But recently the two forms have combined in a particularly cynical exploitation domestically and internationally. Maybe you have missed the ongoing disputes and abuses in regional development, enforced land acquisition and the way “petitions” work?
Your comment about Cameron and fake Conservatives is irrelevant to the subject in dispute and I take no issue with it anyway.
Verity – read some history about the founding and development of Singapore. It’s not just about the food you enjoyed on your travels. It can’t all be neatly wrapped up as just the dynamism of the Chinese. It was a British trading post first and foremost and the Chinese flocked to it for the same reasons they flocked to Hong Kong – to secure better lives and to make money for themselves. In the first 24 years the Chinese population expanded from barely 30 to over 80,000. It wasn’t their “planning” that created that but the promises offered by British sovereignty, an escape from the brutal and suffocating hierarchies of Chinese administration.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/03/why-david-nicholson-must-go/
So let’s be clear, not only did the one-eyed scottish bigot sell our gold for SFA and flood the nation with TB-riddled, self-detonating rag’eads, he also covered up the fact that the NHS, the jewel in the crown of UK socialism was happily murdering the population in order to meet the targets of his coalition of dumb-fucks.
And where is he now? Why is he not being summoned by select committees to explain himself? Even Murdock was made/deigned to appear before Leveson.
Surely DC (dozy c**t) should be having him subjected to inquisition, if for no other reason than to direct criticism away from the total ineptitude of DC and his mates? The worst PM in British History needs dragging back into the limelight and made to explain himself.
Radford NG 01:40 “Barwell has never had a job outside the Conservative Party”
Some years ago, I realised that much of life is subtle when I read something alone the lines of:
More company directors need to become (Tory?) MP’s, NOT more (Tory?) MP’s need to become company directors.
(I cannot remember whether the (Tory?) was explicitly said or just implied.)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/cartoon/
Yersss!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9903911/Philip-Hammond-cut-welfare-not-troops.html
NOW he tells us! Schmuck!
I find Hammond’s intervention unconvincing. The DT says that it will please backbenchers and that is clearly the intent. There is no way that Hammond would speak out independently of No. 10. This is all part of the game.
Clear Memories
March 2nd, 2013 – 09:18
They are all in it together. Brown, Cameron, scabby-eyed Clegg. D.C. wouldn’t dare to demand Brown be brought to justice because they are all feeding out of the same trough. Said it before, but we need s good old revolution!
I posted a comment in response to Thornton and Verity this morning. It has disappeared. I don’t mind but it would be good to know if it was “redacted” or just a glitch, thank you.
I don’t delete anything
It was in pending for some reason
Oh, after my 11:13 comment it suddenly re-appears! How magical. Coincidentally, in this week’s Speccie there was mention of the Black Kiln scandal of 2007. The two starry-eyed admirers of communist China really ought to acquaint themselves with the “planning” that went into that.
Also, around 4000 executions a year pretty much tops the world rankings. But of course those are all deserving criminals and no doubt the resident admirers will approve of such determined maintenance of law and order. This “great civilisation” has always sponsored the state determination of life or death, the judicial penalty of public dismemberment by gradually slicing away parts of the body lasting well into the photographic age.
Herbert Thornton:Mch 2nd;02-54…..Paul Merton(British comedian and satirist) made a documentary tour of south Asia for C4.He said:”America today[under George W. Bush]is more of a socialist state then China”.If 20 or 30% have been taken out of poverty,in rural areas things have got worse with the break-down of the commune system leaving the peasants to fend for them-selves;although they may not mind much. They may offer up the prayer:`God bless and keep the Communist Party…..as far away from us as possible`./—–/As for Shang-hai,that appears to have gone back to the 1920’s in it’s decadence.
From the RFA website:
Yes, it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ spend less on defence,
But who walks the streets of Basra when the air is getting tense?
When the air is getting tense, boys, from Kabul to Kosovo
Who’ll say goodbye to wife and kids, and shoulder pack and go?
Well-wisher 2nd, – 11:37
“This “great civilisation” has always sponsored the state determination of life or death,”
Aye. Like Texas, then?
“Well Wisher” –
Your recent intemperate comments disclose a hatred of China so extreme that it parallels the hatred that Muslim extremists harbour for Jews.
Your commenting to PfM – “ Oh, after my 11:13 comment it suddenly re-appears! How magical.” is also very nasty, implying as it does that PoM is a liar. You clearly owe him an apology.
Well Wisher, thanks for the advice to read the history of Singapore! Zowie! Why didn’t I think of that!!!!!!
I have read “From Third World to First World”, 691 rivetting pages by Lee Kwan Yew. He lived through it and was the the key player in the forming of modern day Singapore. He worked very closely with Mahathir, PM of Malaysia during that time. Not many people know that. People thought they were rivals. But they were not. They were colleagues.
Today, Singaporeans (which includes tens of thousands of native born Malays and Indians, by the way) continues to be a paradigm of governance. He was wonderful in TV interviews … clarity of thought and articulation was one of his many strong points … and also singleness of purpose. He was determined to pull this little backwater, made up mainly of native Malays and Straits Chinese up to be a world player. And he did it.
BTW, it is cheering to read that people possessing any amount of an illegal drug are executed. This ensures that they won’t do it again. See? Clarityi of thought! They are sent to Changi Prison and are generally executed (hanged by the neck) on the following Friday at dawn. A small notice appears on the front page of The Straits Times. Pour encourager les autres.
Anyone who wants to get stuck into a good, rivevetting read, could get “From Third World to First World, published by Crescent. It’s a mighty tome, but once you’ve got stuck into it, you won’t want to put it down.
PS Well Wisher, you would do better to refrain from making trite assumptions about people you don’t know. You tell me Singapore isn’t all about the food I enjoy! Gosh! Really? Basically, the only food I truly enjoy is Indian food, and you can get excellent Indian food in just about any big city in the Anglospher. To suggest that I based my political observations about Singapore, during the four years I lived and worked there, on figments of my my liking for Indian food is desperate.
I gave a sane and rational summing up of what I concluded about Singapore from my four years of working there. To suggest that my observations are worth nothing because I liked the food is desperate.
Clear Memories 09:18 – Applause! And raises an interesting question… Why have Tony Blair and Gordon Brown not been hauled up before a Parliamentary select committee to determine how much knowing, malign damage they caused to the UK?
Surely soulmate Cameron should at least have made the right noises?
Well Wisher – I can’t be bothered to do the math, but what percentage of the population of 1bn plus, is 4000? Among 1 bn people it is highly likely that you are going to have 4,000 rapists, murderers and diverse violent people who have deliberately harmed others and have to be removed. I wish Britain would do likewise. I think for Muzzie murders, rapists and maimer should be hanged by a female executioner. For that extra je ne sais pas …
Herbert Thornton 13:55 – Your last sentence, seconded!
Ostrich (occasionally): (10:06)
Funny cartoon – superficially – but hardly an apposite analogy, I’m afraid.
If you knew the true story behind the GTR and the complex web of official/commercial corruption and skulduggery that simmered beneath the bullshit version that has endured over the years, not to mention the chicanery involved in its subsequent investigation(s) you would know what I mean. Two questions in that regard: cui bono? and cui culpa? Answer to both – none of those who were ‘punished’ for it. They were set up. And remember what happened to the stooges who were set up to do the deed? Where are they now? All two-bit villains who fell for the scam before they unknowingly perpetrated it and who tried, but failed miserably, to build a criminal reputation on the back of it afterwards.
So trying to fit the analogy of that around Mr Farage’s attempted political blag (remember – he lost; came second – and put somebody else up front j.i.c., to boot) and the prospect is not good, even if you contort the facts, as the cartoonist did, to draw the analogy.
So “Yerrrss!” indeed! But maybe my “Yerrrss!”would convey a different sentiment to yours? Unless, of course, I have misread yours, which is possible, as you’re a shrewd old sailor and may well be on the same wavelength as me.
If so … QRV shipmate!
As for Malfleur’s take of my interpretation of Alexander Boot’s analysis of UKIP’s Eastleigh venture, as usual Malfleur is selective in his data. Using Boot’s previous writings as a guide, I infer that what our Russian sage is opining about is what could be done, and should be done by UKIP, rather than what can or will be done. Thy will be done, Alexander, on Earth as in Heaven (and with about as much chance of success as the original plaintive cry).
Surely what Boot is pointing out is that given the history of attempts previous upstart politics in the UK, at least since WW2 – e.g. the ‘Gang of Four’; Jeremy Thorpe (Little bunnies will go to Paris); David Steel (Go Forth an Prepare for Government), Paddy Pantsdown (choose you own caption for that Kuwaiti Tanker). et al. – all of whom were hailed by the hopeful as being capable of ‘breaking the mould of UK politics’ it is unlikely that Farage, together with his rather unprepossessing crew, will do it either; that their hopes will eventually, rather like John Brown’s body, ‘lie mouldering in the grave’ – yard of politics.
As I have often said, good luck to Nigel; like his fervent supporters here, I hope he succeeds, but I still think he blew his chance to get his foot in the door of the Westminster Gasworks and start the long road to comparative success. He decided instead to play it safe. He will therefore very conveniently keep his EU perks as an MEP and remain a class comedy act in Brussels to lighten the utterly boring, albeit relentless, evil of the bureaucratic behemoth that continues to gorge our national resources and pride, in its inexorable passage to neo-Marxist totalitarianism. And part of that, I’m afraid, is Mr Farage’s discerning appetite for cordon-bleu cuisine, free travel and accommodation.
Eeyore? Perhaps! Full of sawdust? Yep, the way I feel at present – probably! But remember, I was good at Poohsticks – and better sawdust that horseshit, of which I often get a whiff, in Malfart’s disguised flatulation. I bet he always blames it on Piglet, too.
But this one of those instances where I would be pleased to have to eat my own sawdust. So why not have a go at the Boot plan now, Nigel? You never know …
A Piglet will than fly and Eeyore can be consigned to one of Tesco’s finest frozen (AA quality) Milneburgers.
Thornton. No it doesn’t. It was intended as a factual counterpoint to your sweeping generalisations. I have great admiration for the Chinese as a people and culture as well as many close Chinese friends, but I distinguish between them and the workings of the modern totalitarian communist Chinese state. My concern for what happens in China is rooted in that distinction. Freedom House’s rankings for human rights score 5.51 to 7.0 for its (worse) “Not Free” category and the PRC rates 7 for political rights and 6 for civil liberties.
http://www.freedomhouse.org/event/upcoming-event-human-rights-challenges-china
As for the disappearance of my comment that is indeed a mystery but I have not accused Peter of anything and certainly not lying. I have always had the impression that he is a man of integrity. If you wrote a comment, saw it appear immediately on the site only to disappear some time later then to re-appear after you had posted a question about it you might be surprised and intrigued too. Nothing nasty about it – certainly nothing that approaches your verbal contortions.
Verity – I thought you would approve of the executions. As with most biographical histories Lee Kwan Yew writes from a perspective which is both personal and subjective. It is only part of the story.
Ostrich O – I wasn’t aware that Texas state executions included dismemberment or mass shooting in the head with an AK-47 but you live and learn. Even so 46 executions in USA vs over 4000 in China…
Given the sulphorous miasma hanging around the wall for the past coupla days, might be good to add this to the blogroll, Peter. (Just in from NN). 🙂
The link suggested – sorry:
http://www.weeklygripe.co.uk
PS Well Wisher, you would do better to refrain from making trite assumptions about people you don’t know. You tell me Singapore isn’t all about the food I enjoy! Gosh! Really? Basically, the only food I truly enjoy is Indian food, and you can get excellent Indian food in just about any city in the Anglosphere. To suggest that I based my political observations about Singapore, during the four years I lived and worked there, on figments of my liking for Indian food is desperate.
I gave a sane and rational summing up of what I concluded about Singapore from my four years of working there. To suggest that my observations are worth nothing because I liked the food is desperate.
You write, in a later post, “Verity – I thought you would approve of the executions. As with most biographical histories Lee Kwan Yew writes from a perspective which is both personal and subjective. It is only part of the story.”
Of course I approve of the executions. Individuals who prey on others, as druggies do, have to be removed by the government, otherwise, people will be driven to taking justice into their own hands.
Do tell us, with your megawatt intelligence and vast experience what LKY left out that you judge should be left in. How long did you live in Singapore, btw? My gues is, never. Everything you write strikes a false note to one who lived there for three years. You have never enjoyed safe streets … In Singapore, if I had gone to a party or out to dinner and couldn’t get a taxi, I felt absolutely no fear in deciding to walk home at midnight or after.
Once, when I took a taxi home from Orchard Road or somewhere, I left my bag in the taxi. Apparently a subsequent passenger found it on the back seat and handed it to the driver. The driver didn’t know which fare had left it and, after dropping off his passenger, took it straight to the police station. Probably about an hour after I had gone home, the doorbell range and it was the police asking if this was my handbag, andf asking to see my passport and work pass as ID.
The Indian driver hadn’t even had the temerity to open a bag that wasn’t his to determine who owned the bag and get a possible reward.
Did any of you do as we did yesterday evening and waste one and a half hours of precious time by watching ‘Mary and Martha’?
To be fair the Radio Times did give reasonable warning of the sheer politically correct drivel that we were about to see by stating:-
“First and most importantly, you will KNOW (their capitals) that you’re being manipulated by ‘Mary and Martha’ because it is written by Richard Curtis. It bears all of his hallmarks – it’s not subtle etcetera”
It was dreadful over sentimental drivel, it had me spitting tacks, my wife advised me to just watch it as a story as she was doing, however I just could not and so completed two crosswords whilst trying very hard not to hate everyone involved with this utter rubbish.
If you have not seen it I do strongly advise you not watch it in the future.
Yes, even my wife wondered if Mary and Martha had been written especially for Comic Relief, and she is not very poltically observant usually.
The “sulphorous miasma” is usually inevitable if one should dare to openly disagree with Thornton of Hong Kong fame or Verity of Singapore fame when they are engaged in their travelogues and ridiculous racial stereotyping.
Thornton’s appalling accusation of hatred is offensive enough but it is positively brazen in the light of his own rants about a certain religion. “Intemperate comments” indeed!
Some interesting stuff here on UKIP, theory and strategy and pipefuls of dreams.
I can certainly testify to a shortage of brass, having been tapping up members and supporters all week for funds to fignt the forthcoming elections. There are plenty of potential supporters out there but the existing ones have to do the legwork in contacting them.
When it comes to numbers and members-it’s put your boots on and get out time!
A big sponsor would be nice-perhaps the likes of Lord Ashcroft may be considering it more seriously after Easleigh, though I suspect the test will be the May elections and the support generated then.
The intention is to have a candidate in every seat, paper or active and we are on the way to achieving that.
And the party members may still be predominantly-but by no means exclusively-hideously white, middle aged, middle class and business people, but funnily enough, I’m as comfortable with that as some of my new fellow Lancastrians are with their belonging to Hizb ut Tahrir.
Funny that, how like cleaves to like in times of threat.
Oh and I’m working with a couple of ex-Labour party guys as well, good people concerned for their country’s future.
Should Farage have stood in Eastleigh? I support RobertC’s view, that the party is now bigger than one man. If he had won he would have been one cog in the Westminster machine.
As party leader and in Europe, he has better things to do at the moment. I think his not standing was a sign of mature judgement. It shows that the party isn’t the one man band a once complacent, now fearful Conservative High command claims.
Does UKIP have flaws? You bet!
I’m not privately in agreement with all the policies proposed, but at least on two key issues it represents my views; on self determination for the UK-or for England if the Scots sidle off into the EU Socialist Republic and an effective moratorium on mass immigration.
And if if doesn’t pan out, well, I can always leave it. But at least I’ve done something and not just moaned, wind bagged and blogged about things!
Frank P 2nd, – 14:57
“Funny cartoon – superficially – but hardly an apposite analogy, I’m afraid. ”
Oh, I wasn’t looking into any deeper meanings; knowing that Bruce Reynolds’ death was probably high in the artist’s mind as he drafted it I simply admired the quickness of his wit.
Just to weigh in with the Sinophobia/Sinophilia debate, I note that the Sinophiliacs (sounds like a nasal disease, dunnit?) chose to ignore my link at 01:26 which seems to contain some very hard evidence in the form of very hard ware, to support Mr Well-wisher’s assertions.
I like a nice Clispy Duck with flied lice, meself – even with a side dish of Fuk U Ching, up at he local chinky; but … as for their ‘enlightened’ Homeland “capitalist’ benign administration: I’m with Well-wisher and Peter – Fuk them’s guardians of freedom!
The filthy lucre of the Sino-Soviet propaganda machines is still flowing into the coffers of the disparate international fellow travelling comrades around the globe and also, don’t forget that Chinese Organized Crime is one of the most ruthless, successful and disparate outfits ever to exist I too get worried when the propaganda seems to be working, even among some esteemed Wallsters. I fear that, like their food, the propaganda is easy to swallow, but not very satisfying to me personally and makes me prone to a dose of the shitz, too, when viewing the videos such as I linked. Far from being inscrutable, they seem to be making it pretty bloody obvious what they are and what they want.
And I’ve got a couple of chink friends who escaped from oppression who agree with that point of view. Apart from that, the fact that they now hold all the markers of the Western World in the Great Game; means we’re already holed below the water-line, despite Verity’s life-jacket of the old adage that ‘if you owe the bank £1,000 and can’t pay them, you’re in the shit, but if you own them £10m and can’t pay them, they’re in the shit.” When their ideological aim is to destroy Western Civilisation, theirs is a win-win situation, surely? They can always cut their own benighted subjects’ cloth to suit the available economics and murder as many as necessary to make it fit.
Well-wisher 2nd, – 15:11
“I wasn’t aware that Texas state executions included dismemberment or mass shooting in the head”
That’s why I only referenced the first part of your sentence.
At least in Texas they’re presumed to be unconscious when they start to be dissolved from the inside by the sodium hydroxide. So that’s OK, then?
Verity, when you write “You have never enjoyed safe streets” and “you would do better to refrain from making trite assumptions about people you don’t know” in the same post does it ever occur to you to stop and think about the juxtaposition?
Since I have never, to the best of my knowledge, published an account detailing every street in the world I have ever enjoyed throughout my life, and you have hardly read it, there is little basis for your assumption (I hesitate from describing it as trite).
And on another factual point, I did not write that Mr Lee had left anything out but only that his account was written from one personal and subjective perspective, which it was. There are many other biographies and historical accounts describing various events in Singapore and Malaya for well over 150 years and not all of them agree, for example Mr Ban Kah Choon’s illuminating and fascinating ‘Absent History’ to name but one.
Verity, I had a similar situation in china.
Because of a mix up as to where I wanted to go (its a long story and not necessarily relevant ) I got out of a taxi a little frustrated and without realising I had left a camera in the cab.
Where I had been dropped off turned out to be the wrong place and when I realised I returned to the road to get another taxi.
When I got there the taxi driver who had taken me there was waiting for me, some one had found my camera in the back seat and he realised it must be mine.
He had come back and waited in the hope of finding me to return my camera.
He absolutely refused every offer of a tip i tried to give him . He just wanted to return it and shake my hand.
This was in southern china , but I found in general taxi drivers good all over china. It’s a good job for them and they don’t want complaints registered against them.
Ostrich O – I don’t believe in any state executions whether they are in the USA or China so not ok.
David Ossitt
March 2nd, 2013 – 15:42
David. hello there!
Another weekend filled with TV drivel – save for “Dad’s Army”, “Call the Midwife” and just sometimes, “Casualty”. What I read in the “Radio Times” was enough, and I went to bed with a good book. By the way, “Red Nose” makes me bloody sick, stupidity and sick-making nonsense. If one wishes to support a charity, does one need this gormeless nonsense ?
My previous post was just a small personal incident, but In the light of the way conversation is going I would just say that the chinese look after the Chinese interest.
Who can blame them , they are not interested in the lefty one world , all brothers under the sun nonsense that we are plagued with and why should they be.
To them chinas interest comes first.
It would be a good idea if we did the same.
365 posts so far this week.
The debate may be fast and furious but at least it’s enlivening!
And taking things personally is generally not good for the liver, the duodenal or the blood pressure.
Hey, by and large your amongst friends around here! Try the new Statesman if you want educated and informed idiocy by the horse box forkful!
There’s not a poster whom I wouldn’t be happy to have a long discussion with. All the Wallsters I read have plenty to offer. Having your views challenged and your knowledge broadened, though ultimately we agree to differ, is surely the whole point of this Wall!
But enough of this peace-nik stuff!
I came here to raise a beef with the no-neck stretchers!
How is it that you are prepared to accept the ‘guilty beyond reasonable doubt’ decision of a jury and judge and sentence a murderer to the living death of life imprisonment, but unwlling for that same burden of proof to prevail when capital punishment results? Where is your logical consistency? If that test is insufficient for the death sentence its equally inadequate for the Life sentence!
So, logically, you must free all these people convicted of murder immediately!
By the way, don’t shoot the messenger, I’m only holding up a mirror to your own logical inconsistencies and liberal squeamishness!
I think that my own view of UKIP is perhaps that what is required is more than a properly conservative party, though that is needed, rather a movement to ‘reboot politics’ in this country and take political power from the very few hands that hold it and dispense it. I think that there are many on the left (the looking after people left not the state totalitarianism left) who also want to see a ‘rebooting of politics’ so that a proper national political life can be established again.
There are legitimate discussions which can take place concerning all manner of things, but these are impossible for all of us on the right and left while our British society is overwhelmed with large numbers of migrants, with a submission to alien cultures and foreign authorities, and while too great a number of our populace are dependent on the state. The working and tax paying people of left and right share many of the same objections and frustrations. I think that UKIP can and should target all such.
The problem is not this or that policy, it is that we are unable to conduct politics, just as it is impossible in all totalitarian states.
Noa, if it is shown an injustice has taken place then a man sentenced to life imprisonment may be freed. The one who has been executed is beyond such remedy.
I am not against the death penalty but I do not trust our judiciary or politicians to justly apply it. In the case of a very, very manifest evil it might be appropriate, but even so, I am not sure that it would not be applied for party political ends rather than for justice.
The death penalty is a useful tool for states who wish to eliminate opposition.
Peter
But you don’t, indeed you can’t, refute the logical inconsistency being applied because of the sentencing tariff.
I contend that it’s as wrong to send a man to prison for life as to execute him if you don’t believe he’s guilty.
And the matter of totalitarian states using the death penalty is irrelevant. We are considering the matter of evidence based guilt proved beyond reasonable doubt.
“How is it that you are prepared to accept the ‘guilty beyond reasonable doubt’ decision of a jury and judge and sentence a murderer to the living death of life imprisonment, but unwlling for that same burden of proof to prevail when capital punishment results? Where is your logical consistency?”
No, Noa; given the number of times in the last quarter century that murder convictions have been declared unsafe I feel that a sentence should be limited to one where, in the case of error, some restitution can be made.
Ostrich (occasionally) (16:11)
Thanks for the heads up on Bruce Reynolds; I had missed his obit.
But even Bruce, who claimed he was the ‘mastermind’, probably doesn’t know who ‘grassed’ them; that was the one who was the go-between between him and real Mr Big.
Both Mr Big, who resides mainly in a fortress on the Costa del Crime and the Go-Between, who still lives in London or thereabouts, will be smiling wryly at the Telegraph’s yarn today in their reprise of the GTR.
I often wonder if the real Mr Big has his post-mortem memoirs already prepared and who will publish ’em. And I also wonder whether the ‘W’ for his arrest is still locked safely in the safe of the Fraud Squad guv’nor, or whether he framed it when he retired; or whether the descendants of Angie Bruno still want their £10m back from another deal Mr Big reneged on. As for the Go-Between, he’ll never cough to what he did in the GTR. That would destroy his reputation as the Gangster of Gangsters. He would become the Grass of Grasses instead. Honour among thieves? Bollocks! (I was about to exclaim “Pah!” but realised if I did, that ACP lurker would be on to me like a ton of bricks – “Who do you think you are, Sir … Ebenezer Scrooge?”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/9900331/Bruce-Reynolds.html
Now, like you, I appreciate the topical congruence of the cartoon. Thanks again, I’m spending too much time here reading the ding-dong about China rather than keeping up with the hard skinny. 🙂
Well Wisher has become so indignant, and so often, these past few days that the temptation to bait him is irresistable. So I draw attention firstly to his writing –
“No alcohol, Thornton, the comment was made whilst stone cold sober. Vitriol? Yes and stronger stuff than the scorn you are pouring.”
What can be said to that? Well Wisher doesn’t just admit to pouring vitriol – he boasts about it. Gracious me – if that how his mind works when he’s sober, the mind boggles about what he might write if drunk.
And now, later, he writes –
“Thornton’s appalling accusation of hatred is offensive enough but it is positively brazen in the light of his own rants about a certain religion. “Intemperate comments” indeed!”
Golly! If we put our ears to the ground we can hear his indignation bubbling over no matter how far away we are from him. He sounds more and more like Telemachus on steroids – and even more muddled, as well as mealy mouthed. “A certain religion” indeed. But aside from that and considerably more importantly, will he please explain why he so objects to reading truths about Islam and what flows from it, that he calls them “rants”?
Noa, my objections to the death penalty lie in the subjective, based on personal experience, and I’m not suggesting they are right. Seeing another human being being deliberately killed when in the power of others (as opposed to the equalised heat of battle) is bad enough but I find the ritualised extinction of a human life by the state especially repulsive and demeaning for all concerned, however it is conducted. That is not to say that some scumbags don’t deserve that fate.
Plus, what Peter said. If you could always be certain of guilt – but even our judicial history is littered with miscarriages of justice.
Noa, it seems to me that you would like the test not to be ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ but ‘beyond any doubt at all’.
Re The China Debate: The Chinese people, spirit and character, are not the same thing as the Chinese state, I humbly submit.
Ostrich (occasionally) – 17:17
They are one and the same. Woolmington v DPP [1935] UKHL 1
Actually Thornton my fist comment was made in response to your accusation that alcohol and vitriol had been poured in the well. You brought the two liquids up (so to speak) – not I. You were probably correct about the latter but not the former. So it was more concurrence than boasting. As far as I am aware lacing a comment with vitriol is not yet “inappropriate behaviour”. When I drink to excess I tend to become mellow and unlikely to rise to your baiting anyway so you can stand down on that one.
My second comment was again in response to your unwarranted accusation but was not motivated by indignation. If I had to describe the imperative it would probably be mild astonishment.
As for baiting. So to you. So to I. But at the end of the day the contents of the relevant comments speak for themselves.
And finally your final demand, I might ask why you so object to reading truths about China? The reference to your “truths” about Islam was there to highlight your astonishing hypocrisy – not to dispute them or start another tedious argument with you.
So, I hope that answers your feverish hyperbole about me. How is the BNP these days btw?
And grievous though it is to admit, when it comes to some people here, telemachus probably had a point…
😉
Well-Wisher
“..I find the ritualised extinction of a human life by the state especially repulsive and demeaning for all concerned, however it is conducted. That is not to say that some scumbags don’t deserve that fate…”
Acknowledging then, as you seem to do, the need need for a death penalty, who should carry out the sentence if not the state? The victim’s family. Just, but not dispassionate.
And what of its main benefit, which is deterrence, dscouraging and preventing further murders?
http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN03805.pdf
Would the conscience which equivocates sleep so well if it was responsible for future deaths?
Noa
“But at least I’ve done something and not just moaned, wind bagged and blogged about things!”
Not just – no … but also, definitely. 🙂
Now that I know you are actively hooked up to NF and his Ukippers (he’d better not use that initial,or he WILL be in trouble) I will pay more attention and try to spot you in the public gatherings.
Hope you’re not either Paul Nuttal, or that bewhiskered hair-parted-in-middle Party Chairman, Steve Crowther, who were singularly ineffective in their TV appearances during and after the Eastleigh junket.
I like Monckton because of his stand and work on AGW, but his thyrotoxic appearance does make him look quite bonkers, poor man – the latter a common characteristic of most politicians I suppose, but in his case a bit scary, too.
Lord Willougby de Broke has an unfortunate moniker to say the least and Stuart Wheeler seems to shuffle his excess riches around like a mad alcoholic at a Roulette Table at the Vic Sporting Club. All I can say about him is; what’s in it for you?
Lord Pearson threw in the towel as a front man, after making a bit of a dick of himself on TV; Lord Stevens looks like Cpl Jones from Dad’s Army and that Dave McNarry looks a bit too much like that old commie bruiser John Reid, to me: if I met him and Paul Nuttal in dark alley at the back of the Anglo-Irish Bank, I’d nick them both for sus and turn their drags and drums over for traces of gelly.
But in all seriousness, if you’re part of the set-up, then there’s hope for us all. If I wasn’t so clapped out meself I might join you in your wild adventure; I was always a one for lost causes, when I was young and fit. But don’t be bollocking me off for doing nowt now but whitter and whinge. I’ve done my bit up the sharp end in my time; my assignment here to keep you activists amused from my cubicle – as a swan song; if I start to get the beer-mats thrown at me, I’ll fuck off to the pub up the road and see if I can get a PAID gig there.
Noa, I think there is a distinction to be drawn between the death penalty being deserved and its actual execution (so to speak). Much is demanded these days in terms of human infallibility but in many cases it cannot be given. One of the more unfortunate aspects of the Christian withdrawal from public life is the diminishing understanding of that reality.
I remain unconvinced that the death penalty deters not least because I would not trust any statistics from the Home Office gathered over so long a period since the methodologies have changed and been massaged by successive governments.
The one thing that I’m convinced has life after death is the debate on the merits or otherwise of Capital Punishment. As I’ve said ad infinium myself, I’m not prepared to volunteer for the job as hangman, firing-squad member, or injector of lethal substances, so I’m not entitled to ask anyone else to do it, least of all “The State” which I wouldn’t entrust with the killing of a mosquito, as they might do my canary in by mistake. And if you pro-CP advocates had worked with some of the colleagues I worked with when of the Melton cloth, you wouldn’t either. Or perhaps you would. That kinda certainty scares me more than any potential murderer. As for you, Master Noa, I’m sure you’re just being provocative and that you could argue the other case just as well, if you chose so to do.
Frank P
Ha ha! Crackingly good post Sir, and I will now hold you responsible for the innumerable spelling mistakes my chirruping shoulders will make from my fingers!
Who said a blame culture was bad!
And so to, “… if I met him and Paul Nuttal in dark alley at the back of the Anglo-Irish Bank, I’d nick them both for sus and turn their drags and drums over for traces of gelly…”
I assume that you mean the gelly that goes ‘bang in the night’. No, damn it, that’ll only encourage the smutsters and double-entendre merchants around here even more! I mean, not the KY variety but the explosive stuff, why else would they be behind a bank in the middle of the night? Why indeed?
But who knows? One only has to look at the many wierdos in the HoC and HoL to realise that its become a national repository for the criminal insane. Why we now even pay for their treatment there.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21442047
No disparagement was intended by me of any Wallster- and no egos should have been harmed by the making of that post of mine. 🙂
As I said, one’s amongst friends here. But those who can’t do can always feel free to donate a few bob to the cause for replacement shoe leather.
As to some of the plonkers out representing UKIP; I can only say that the sum of its parts is greater than the whole. And I’m not sure how I might fare if I was the stooge on QT either, permitted only to show the ‘good sense’ and decent sensibilities’ of the bien pensant lefties to the right, left and in front of me.
It’s the message wot counts, not the medium, to rightfully hang Marshall McLuhan by his heels.
“…As for you, Master Noa, I’m sure …. that you could argue the other case just as well, if you chose so to do.”
I would hope so Frank, out of truth comes light.
Noa @ 16:07
A good, reasonable, positive comment. The trend’s the thing and it makes no sense to try to second guess its trajectory by condemning it to failure in advance. If it happens, this is how it happens.
Today’s (Saturday’s) National Post has several excellent pieces criticising the Supreme Court of Canada’s new and deeply misguided decision about Canada’s anti-hate legislation – one that can only encourage the Canadian Thought Police called “Human Rights Commissions” to resume their persecution of people – especially Christians – whose opinions they are determined to suppress.
Conrad Black’s Saturday column doesn’t address that topic, but he is, nonetheless in good form. I especially enjoyed this sentence in it –
“Italy’s election last weekend produced a refreshingly preposterous result.”
Here’s the link –
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/03/02/conrad-black-italy-sends-in-the-clowns/
Ostrich (occasionally) March 2nd, 2013 – 17:15
“No, Noa; given the number of times in the last quarter century that murder convictions have been declared unsafe”
Hello Ostrich can you name a few examples of these, say half a dozen?
Well-wisher.
“Plus, what Peter said. If you could always be certain of guilt – but even our judicial history is littered with miscarriages of justice.”
Hello there, list half a dozen of these miscarriages of justice please.
Well Wisher, There is all the difference in the world between Chiina, which is full of intelligent, disciplined, energetic people, and the sons of the desert prophet, who married Aisha when she was six. You may not know that she was being pushed on a swing by her mother when mohammad passed and saw her and sent for her immediately. Apparently he was a big noise in the village because her mother pulled her off the swing and hastened with her to his house.
There, he said he wanted to marry her. (It’s in the q´ran.) So he “married” the little six-year old and added her to the various and sundry other “wives” he had. He held off raping her until she was IRC, nine, because she was “too small”.
BTW, you know that mohammad was an epileptic, I assume, and a lot of the q’ran is what he mumbled and gargled while he was having a seizure. The scribe took down what he thought he heard, or what he thought mohammad had probably meant if only he pronounced the words clearly …
And addressing Herbert Thornton with “How is the BNP these days?” was surreal. How is a Canadian living in British Columbia supposed to be keeping tabs on the BNP, and why??
Verity….
Child brides resurface in China with shortage of females
While the adoption of child brides (girls adopted into a family as future daughters in law) is no longer common in Taiwan, the practice is still prevalent in modern Chinese society, leading to a sharp increase in kidnapping cases involving young girls…..
A Southern Metropolis Weekly report focusing on the traditional custom of child bride adoption in Putian, a coastal city in the province of Fujian, was recently published. The practice is common in the city. According to a survey, between 120,000-600,000 people out of the city’s population of more than three million people are adopted child brides, accounting for between 4-20 percent of the total population.
While some of the adopted child brides come mainly from impoverished families in Putian and adjoining areas, the majority are from the remote provinces of Guizhou, Sichuan and Yunnan. Most of them were brought to Putian by human traffickers, according to the report….
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20110530000003&cid=1503
There is usually at least a couple of interesting items on China to be found here at any one time:
http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/
…grist for all mills.
I have asked both Ostrich (occasionally) and Well-wisher if they would be kind enough to list half a dozen miscarriages of justice where had they been sentenced to death a rather than life in prison a true miscarriage would have been the result.
In the spirit of fairness I list my own half dozen where I am utterly convinced that real and proper miscarriages of justice were perpetrated by letting these evil guilty people live.
On 4 August 2002, two English girls were murdered in the village of Soham, Cambridgeshire. The victims were Holly Marie Wells and Jessica Aimee Chapman, both aged 10, murdered by Ian Kevin Huntley.
Peter William Sutcliffe (born 2 June 1946) is a British serial killer known as “The Yorkshire Ripper”. In 1981 Sutcliffe was convicted of murdering 13 women and attempting to murder seven others.
Dr Harold Fredrick Shipman a British doctor and one of the most prolific serial killers in recorded history by proven murders with 250+ murders being positively ascribed to him. On 31 January 2000, a jury found Shipman guilty of 15 murders. He was sentenced to life imprisonment and the judge recommended that he never be released.
David Francis Bieber also known under the alias Nathan Wayne Coleman is an American convicted murderer. He murdered PC Ian Broadhurst and attempted to murder PCs Neil Roper and James Banks on 26 December 2003 in Leeds, he was given a life sentence and the trial judge recommended that he should never be released.
Sharon Beshenivsky, Beshenivsky was a West Yorkshire Police constable shot dead by a criminal gang during a robbery in Bradford, West Yorkshire, England. Another police officer, PC Teresa Millburn, was also shot in the incident, receiving serious wounds to the chest. PC Millburn had joined the force less than two years earlier. Six suspects were arrested and convicted.
Shafilea Iftikhar Ahmed was a 17-year-old British Pakistani girl from who was murdered by her parents. They were imprisoned for life in 2012. The possibility of others having helped them to dispose of her body was raised.
I obviously do not have the qualms that some here express because I would have quite happily dispatched any or indeed all of these.
David, the problem with your post is that it doesn’t really address the issue, and some of the cases you mention seem contentious to me in any case.
Most people might not have a problem executing Hitler, but what about his Generals? What about his Colonels? What about his Majors? etc etc. Where does the manifest evil cease to be quite so manifest? Most of those who sought to assasinate Hitler were actually also anti-semitic, they just felt that Hitler was dooming the German people to defeat. To the extent they wanted to get rid of Hitler they are good guys, but to the extent they were happy for Jews to be dealt with in one way or another they are bad guys. Are they complicit in the Nazi regime? If not why not? And if yes then why are they not manifestly worthy of execution.
It has to stop somewhere. And it is where it stops that requires more thought that I think you have given. It is easy to start killing people, especially if the state gets to choose who dies.
David Ossitt -March 2nd, 2013 – 19:54
To which, in addition to the sentiments and nominations listed, I would add Dale Cregan, who has pleaded guilty to the murder of two innocent unarmed women.
Not an unsafe conviction in sight.
There is no need to accept all of these cases. But here is a long list…
http://www.innocent.org.uk/cases/allcases.htm
Being an ill-educated Anglo-Saxon who has neither the mental capacity nor the inclination to to base his opinions on well researched discourse, I have come to the conclusion that until we reach something approaching the Epicurean ideal the death penalty argument(s) comes down (IMHO) to this . Until we end the industrial destruction of innocents by abortion we absolutely must have the death penalty as a kind of quid pro quo. I am not primarily interested in deterrence (although that can be a useful occasional side affect) but economics. If lovely cuddly liberal folk are sanctioned to destroy the unborn I see no reason at all that evil rightist thugs should not be able to remove more worthy candidates. Miscarriages of justice? They must be balanced against the destruction of females and those with, fr’instance, hare lips.
Hexhamgeezer
March 2nd, 2013 – 20:15
Quite right! Why do the Bleeding Heart Liberals condemn the death penalty for even the most perverted murderers, yet feel no compunction in murdering innocent babies in the womb? These Liberals are most usually against the sanctity of religious marriage between heterosexual couples, and support bastardy. Yet, again conversely, they are fervent in their support of same sex marriage and ‘gay’ churchmen and churchwomen.
PfM
“…Where does the manifest evil cease to be quite so manifest?”
It seems that we are doomed to Hamlet-like inaction and its consequences, by our own relativism and reluctance to fight evil by all the means necessary and available to us.
How much of such intellectual paralysis is the result of cultural relativism one can surmise, but cannot know. But the unrelenting propagation of a doctrine of equivalence and self-doubt seems to induced a national malaise of indecision and a lack of desire to assume responsibility for the consequences of our decisions.
Well-Wisher 18.10 dismisses an analysis he couldn’t possibly have read and digested in the 9 minutes between my post and his reply, not becuase he disputes it’s (ultimately anti-hanging) conclusion because, like one of Napoleon’s soldiers he doesn’t believe Government bulletins and analysis! Oh well, at least that’s consistent in term of maintaining a subjective appraoch in the face of evidence.
So Peter, I would add Hitler to that list of David’s and without listing them, a lot more too, those who didn’t necessarily pul the trigger, but certainly pointed the pistol and penned the danse macabre. Now let’s move on to Stalin and his little friends, and afterwards Tony and Pals too, for it is the lack of accountability and the consequent lack of penalty, that allows evil actions to be taken without account of their consequence.
Of course it is only of this world of which I write. I cannot be responsible for forgiveness in any other.
Noa, I think that there is a difference between no penalty for evil and the death penalty. I am quite happy for full life sentences to be imposed. This is a necessary means that is not used.
Anne, I note the understandable revulsion at those who suggest the disabled should be killed. But in fact something like 95% of unborn children with Down’s Syndrome are indeed killed before birth already.
I’ve always been struck by the apparant congruence between the numbers aborted by the NDS and the number of immigrants imported to replace them.
At a rough average of over 200,000 per annum, actually three times less than Labour’s enriching imports, our politico have collectively and cumulatively murdered more of their own nationals than the Nazis murdered Jews in the camps.
I wonder if David steel considers himself to be 4 times a worse mass murderer than Rudolf Hoess? But I doubt it.
And is he worse than Harold Shipman? Manifestly, he is responsible, like Himmler, for
many more.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-unitedkingdom.html
P from M – Your post implies that the men marry these children with a view to having sexual congress with them when they become women (probably measured by when they have their first menstrual period). They are not raping six year old children, like mohammad.
Noa – Chilling.
David Ossitt, in addition to the well known execution cases – Bentley, Evans, Kelly, Mattan to which some add Ellis (debatable), between 1988 and 1999 there were 8,470 successful appeals against conviction. Some of the well known cases include Birmingham six (Mullin, 1986), the Guildford four (May, 1994) the Maguires (Kee, 1986), Judith Ward (Emmerson, 1999), Stefan Kiszko (Pattenden, 1996), the Tottenham three (Rose, 1992), the Darvell Brothers (Hill et al, 1985) and the Taylor sisters (Peelo and Soothhill, 2000). Almost certainly within the record there would have been executions of the innocent not appealed or subsequently found to be wrongful, especially in the early years. I did write “miscarriages of justice” not wrongful executions per se but even one wrongful execution is one too many.
Noa, I did not “dismiss the analysis” and I have seen it before. I could not see any “conclusion” in that briefing paper to dispute. I wrote that I would not trust the HO statistics – referring to page 5 – I did not write anywhere that I don’t believe “Government bulletins and analysis”. Thank you.
Verity, in the past comments have been written here and at the other place under the name Herbert Thornton advocating the BNP. Here are two, posted in December 2009:-
“In short, the BNP do not portend disaster – they in fact offer us very reasonable hope of rescue.”
“The only two parties that have sound policies are the UKIP (though it it somewhat half-hearted) and the more realistic BNP”
From these I presumed him to be at least a supporter and wondered as to his present position since it has not been mentioned so often.
Well-wisher – 22:04
No need to thank me, your point made – and accepted.
Verity, here are other Thornton + BNP comments, posted here in May 2012:-
“The BNP may not have been blessed by the inclusion of people of Enoch Powell’s intellect, but I should have thought that their long standing grasp of the evils of multiculturalism, of unrestricted immigration, and of the ruthless ambitions of Islam – and their steadfast opposition to them – are a clear demonstration that they not only have have common intelligence (or common sense if you want to call it that) but also that they have the best interests of the British people firmly at heart?”
and
“When it comes to today’s BNP they may or may not espouse some socialist policies, but the question I have is – does it matter? Who else is there who is steadfastly determined to oppose and remedy multiculturalism, immigration, political correctness and the growing presence of, and threat posed by, Islam? Certainly not the Conservative, Liberal or Labour politicians. I believe that the extreme dangers we are facing are far more important than worrying about whether or not the BNP are socialists.”
Then:-
“I regard the BNP in a similar way. Our Labour, Liberal and Conservative politicians are hell bent on allowing the degredation and destruction of Britain to continue. The BNP are (in my opinion) unlikely to be worse and on balance are likely to be better.”
During the week 15/21st May there was a considerable exchange between Thornton and Clear Memories on the subject of the BNP. I remember it well because it was the same week you rudely took me to task for having the audacity to post a link that I thought might be of interest (and which some were kind enough to acknowledge as interesting):-
“Well-wisher … if you think people are arsed to go to a link that some stranger has recommended, without a clue what it’s about, you are naive. There are tens of millions of links on the internet. People only go to links when they are recommended by someone whose judgement they respect, or if the subject is obvious and is one of their interests.”
😉
Verity, how do you know? Who marries a child? On what basis do you know that siz year old girls are not being subject to sexual advances?
PS Verity, 东汉末年，军阀并起，各霸一方。孙策年仅十七岁，却年少有为，势力逐渐强大。
公元199年，孙策欲向北推进，夺取江北卢江郡。卢江易守难攻，而且占据卢江的
军阀刘勋势力强大，野心勃勃。于是孙策想出了一条妙计。
军阀刘勋，极其贪财，孙策便派人给他送去一份厚礼，并在信中把刘勋大肆吹捧一番，
还以弱者的身份向刘勋求救，请其降服上缭。刘勋万分得意。上缭一带，十分富庶，
刘勋早想夺取，今见孙策软弱无能，免去了后顾之忧，决定发兵上缭。孙策见刘
勋率领兵马去攻上缭，城内空虚，心中大喜，说：“老虎已被我调出山了，我们
赶快去占据它的老窝吧！ 于是顺利地控制了卢江。
😉
Verity – (2 March 19:16)
Well said.
When he gets his knickers in a twist, Well Wisher sounds quite ridiculous – as for example his reaction after I’d told him – “Pour as much concentrated vitriol and shout as much abuse as you like.”
His reponse was –
“Shouting online is held to be the use of block capitals. They are absent from my comments. Abuse was suggesting that my comment was fuelled by alcohol.”
So, he accused me of writing abuse (which I didn’t write it in block capitals) but so long as HE doesn’t use block capitals it isn’t shouting and therefore doesn’t matter?
The expression “takes the biscuit” comes to mind, and seeing that it’s now mid-afternoon I’m going to treat myself to an extra biscuit with my cup of Darjeeling.
Verity –
I see Well Wisher has now introduced something in what look like Chinese characters. That too reminds me of Telemachus who once accused me of transliterating some Russian sentence wrongly, thus implying that he knew Russian and I didn’t. Richard of Moscow then pointed out that my version was correct.
Thornton, you seem to be confusing shouting with abuse. You better have a nice lie down after your tea and biscuit.
They are Chinese characters. As a renowned expert on Hong Kong I thought you might recognise them. It’s the idiom about luring the tiger out of the mountains…
😉
Sun Tzu
-more comprehensible in translation; but that’s not the point of course.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-Six_Stratagems
May I most respectfully suggest that taking some deep breaths and a period for reflection is now in order Well-Wisher? Otherwise it’s duodenal time for you and some merciless tiss-paking from more than just those accomplished tiss partists Herbert Thornton and Verity.
Why me, Noa? Why not offer similar advice to those two accomplished “tiss partists” and well known experts on the Chinese?
“Accomplished”, really? You think?
Goodnight all. Mind how you go.
😉
W-W.
“…Why me, Noa? Why not offer similar advice to those two accomplished “tiss partists” and well known experts on the Chinese?…”
Why do you think?
Frank P February 28th @ 22:15 “idiosyncratic”
The position that the American Civil War was won by the wrong side, which Mr. Alexander Boot takes in his article “Why I won’t go to see Lincoln”, can of course be argued. I infer that you share it. The link which I offered gives a few pointers to what I think is the better view. In particular, Mr. Boot’s belief that, left alone, slavery in America would have been abandoned like serfdom in Russia is a view no doubt influenced by his Russian upbringing and seems to me, well, idiosyncratic. It also rather misses the point of the War. The link I provided explains that Lincoln was elected president in order to prevent the extension of slavery to the Territories.
I thought the US Civil War was about state v federal power?
Frank P 17:15. You’re obviously the go-to man (“suppository of knowledge” !!!) on the GTR. Do you know who was it called Roy John James ‘the Weasel’.
First thing he did when he got out of jug and had a mike thrust in his boat race was to say, ‘Who was it called me the weasel?’.
He had spent his stretch pacing up and down, no doubt dashing his palm into his fist, exercising himself into a frenzy about ‘oo was it called ‘im ver weasel.
He also had raised eyebrows in his mugshot IIRC. Looked a proper Charlie.
Anyway, here’s the Greta Garbo clip for you nightbirds. 3:20 ff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR2o2YYqEck
Peter, Peter. Why do you prop up these shiftless deadbeats? Peter, Peter …
Andy Car Park @ 23:45
I seem to be having a similar problem.
Well-wisher
March 2nd, 2013 – 22:42
“Thornton, you seem to be confusing shouting with abuse.”
Not at all. I’m only pointing out that you seem to think that one excuses the other.
They don’t – though they are often associated. Just like you and Telemachus.
Well-Wisher 22:38 – So what?
’tis great to arise on a Sunday morning and see so much comment.
Taking one subject only, we absolutely must return to both Capital and Corporal Punishment.
When the only options available for society/state to show their disapproval are either incarceration or financial penalty, there is no incentive for the terminally anti-social to control their actions. And, as has been noted, it is beyond perverse for liberals to oppose Capital Punishment whilst supporting abortion.
Being a supporter of both CP and abortion, I particularly favour the termination of criminal life followed by the harvesting of suitable body parts for the greater good of society. I accept all the miscarriage arguments but they do not, in my opinion, outweigh the fundamental good that CP does for society as a whole. Further, the ever-increasing advances in DNA evidence and expansion of the surveillance society will decrease these so-called miscarriages of justice.
By removing access to the ultimate sanction society can apply to miscreants, all punishments are denigrated until we reach the lower levels of misbehavior with no realistic restraints to apply.
The reintroduction of Corporal Punishment for crimes such as drunkenness, shoplifting/minor theft and general anti-social behaviour will, in a swift and simple manner, bring our wayward youth back onto the straight and narrow. By having Magistrates sit around the clock, a drunken and anti-social night out will send them home with both empty pockets and the proverbial pain in the arse. No need for drawn-out court appearances followed by appeals etc, just the word of Plod coupled with some CCTV evidence will be construed as adequate. If said miscreants want to waste their money on an appeal, let them – but no legal aid. (Lawyers supporting their position should also be caned for interfering with the judicial process. If it transpires Plod was a bit of a fibber, apply the cane.)
I guess with CP, the major debate is not whether it should be applied, but to whom. Personally, I’d terminate all drug dealers and all who kill in support of the profits of that trade, murderers of little kiddies and the seriously mentally unstable. (In the latter case, I think the abortion argument comes into play – if one supports the abortion of imperfect or inconvenient un-borns, how can one oppose the same for those that reach adulthood and turn out to be an uncurable threat to society?).
I would not apply CP to the followers of the vile desert cult – it martyrs them. Lock them away for ever, forbid them access to their book of hate and floor rag, reach an agreement with Saudi to export their extended families there and demolish any mosque they were associated with in the UK.
Whilst one abhors the lack of personal freedom in many of the desert and Communist states, nevertheless, their approach to crime and punishment, which inevitably involves the rope and the cane, leads to a safer and more ordered society.
Anybody who seeks to take the higher moral ground that, somehow, punishment coursens society needs to get out more, particularly in our town centres on a Friday night!
Looking back several postings I see that Well Wisher has reproduced some of my favourable comments about the BNP.
I’m most grateful to him for doing it because I stand by every word of them, and I sincerely request that he reproduce many more of them.
At the same time though, if I sense that the only party with a realistic change of ousting the disgusting Labour/Liberal/fake Tories from power has become UKIP led by the excellent Mr Farage, my support will then be wholly for UKIP.
God knows what party Well Wisher will support. Maybe some nutty group that wants to pressure Pakistan & Bangladesh to infiltrate Tibet and thus get rid of Chinese rule by there by converting the people to Islam would appeal to him?
“…If you feel for some odd reason that voting is a duty, vote for UKIP. Britain’s Left-wing elite truly fear the destruction of the Tory Party that would follow a thumping defeat of the kind it deserves.
They rightly see its existence as a barrier to the birth of a truly pro-British party, one that could sweep New Labour, the Liberal Democrats and all their works into the sea.”
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
Noa – take a look at this –
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287183/A-great-day-British-justice-Theresa-May-vows-UK-European-Court-Human-Rights.html#comments
Who can possibly believe that Cameron and his fake Tories, intend to carry out a single word of it?
When I lived in India, one weekend, I caught a bus to Kashmir, planning on going to Western Tibet, which was part, if memory serves, of Nepal. It may be Chinese now, I don’t know. It was an overnighter and I stayed at a hotel along the way. The place was called Leh, and indeed, it looked like every picture of Tibet I’d every seen, including the monastery and the lamas.
Herbert Thornton 1:25 a.m. Exactly what I thought. Pull the other one, Blanc-Mange face, you greedy, sneaky, nauseating creep!
Roll on UKIP!
A late post because I have been stripping the willow, from the bottom up!
Peter from Maidstone on March 2nd, 2013 – 20:04
“Most people might not have a problem executing Hitler, but what about his Generals? What about his Colonels? What about his Majors?”
And what about his privates?
Clear Memories
“…Being a supporter of both CP and abortion, I particularly favour the termination of criminal life followed by the harvesting of suitable body parts for the greater good of society. I accept all the miscarriage arguments but they do not, in my opinion, outweigh the fundamental good that CP does for society as a whole…”
Personally I’m unable to accept the logical inconsistency of a government which can sanction the termination of the lives of the unborn on an industrial scale, yet sermonises over the sanctity of preserving the very worst murderers.
But then, what has logic to do with a system and elite which deems it sensible to destroy its own population by encouraging the mass immigration of a culture as destructive as the Black Death to its host?
Andy Car Park (23:45)
Heh, heh, heh. Thanks for clearing that up – I was puzzled: didn’t really have you down as a 1930s Hollywood film buff.
But congratulations on your absolute recall of the Cook/Moore genius; were you one of their script writers, or something? Glad my little reproving/patronising repetition of our host’s given, triggered your memory – and thence that clip. I had completely forgotten it; it was great to watch it again. Streets ahead of today’s current crop of TV ‘satirists’ and snide stand-ups.
The moniker ‘Peter’ sort of lends itself to gentle rhythmic repetition, doesn’t it? Wouldn’t work with Frank, Frank … or Bruce, Bruce … would it?
Roy “Weasel’ James? Dunno who dubbed the alias on to him. May have been Tommy Butler. It was an expression he used for short-arsed villains he didn’t like. Roy was certainly a rodent:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/great-train-robber-tells-court-of-regrets-man-in-shooting-case-flipped-his-lid-after-disastrous-marriage-1409417.html
Nice guy!
Herbert Thornton 01.25
A similarly cynical view is being displayed by the posters over at t’other place.
Why have these little people so little gratitude to the munificence of Dave’s Team?
Why do they persist in misunderstanding his generosity?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lc86JUAwwg&playnext=1&list=PL600ECD1FEAC70C2B&feature=results_main
Dave has a team? Who knew?
Wow! Daily Telegraph readers do not like David Cameron! (tee hee) The comments column is awash with vitriol re “call me Dave”.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100204876/eastleigh-five-reasons-why-the-conservatives-deserved-to-come-third/#disqus_thread
Hitchens right as always. (http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/ soft policing)
“If we follow this rule, it will be impossible to prosecute anyone, for fear that the defendant will be so distressed that he takes his life when arrested and charged…..”
Indeed. And what to do with the fuckwits from the desert when their plan is to take their own lives and take as many kaffirs with them as they can?
Suggestions on a postcard to Theresa May, …….
Herbert Thornton 01:25 “Who can possibly believe that Cameron and his fake Tories …”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287183/A-great-day-British-justice-Theresa-May-vows-UK-European-Court-Human-Rights.html#comments
Copying UKIP policy, yet again! But, as HT and Verity comment, who would believe him.
Isn’t it such a pity that this long planned announcement has been over shadowed by the Eastleigh result? Such poor PR!
Verity on Feb 27th @ 19:07 “Blair is to blame for basically everything …”
It was the prefect storm!
When Blair first entered Number Ten, the situation wasn’t perfect but the problems looked fixable. He was supported by (nearly all) the country, by his Party and pretty much by the Cabinet. (There was Brown and his followers, but they had little support elsewhere.) There was also money rolling into the Treasury and The Opposition were in disgrace !!!
And he blew it!
Also, because of the Blair era, people forget how little support Mrs T. had within the cabinet, so little money in the nations coffers, and how run down the nation had become, when entering Number Ten for the first time.
Peter from Maidstone March 2nd, 2013 – 16:57 “a movement to ‘reboot politics’ in this country”
And that requires thinking outside of the box.
Everything has to be questioned and, I think, that is where the Eurosceptic members of the Tory party are weak and could even be a liability, especially if they manage to obtain positions of authority in any post-EU government.
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Peter from Maidstone March 2nd, 2013 – 16:57 “I think that UKIP can and should target all such [the working and tax paying people of left and right]”
It looks, from the Eastleigh result, amoungst others, that that is what is happening.
“…UKIP can and should target all such [the working and tax paying people of left and right]”
And let us not forget to target the postal vote, the churches and nursing homes (and the cemeteries and mosques of old England and India) can yield a rich electoral harvest.
Clear Memories 07:29 “Hitchens right as always” (http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/ soft policing)
Too many quotes to quote, but I cannot resist:
“Weakness is not the same thing as compassion.” And I might add, compassion is not the same thing as weakness either.
“The Tories are now (in my view rightly) loathed and despised by people from all political viewpoints and all walks of life.”
“[Tory Party] will never again win a UK Election.”
“Don’t work or vote for it, [the Tory Party]. If you feel for some odd reason that voting is a duty, vote for UKIP.”
And I do like the analogy between plans to replicate the Titanic and Cameron’s attempt to replicate the Major years (only without all the good bits).
But he is still not a UKIP supporter as, for example, Mary Riddell is of the Labour wing of the LDLL’s.
Is it because UKIP’s momentum is not enough? (But he would add to it!)
Is it because too many columnists who have supported a Party now find it is a liability, a liability to be associated with the LibDemLabCon party?
Is it because the consensus has reached that ‘the country’s government is in a mess’ , but we are struggling, trying to put new wine into old bottles, and are coming to terms with the sea change that is needed, as put so well earlier in this week’s thread?
Mr. Theodore Dalrymple has two fine, short essays in the March edition of New English Review.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/134867/sec_id/134867
http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/134801/sec_id/134801
(Aesthetics: spiritual condition)
Lots of other good things too. For instance:
“If you were wondering about the vector of American foreign and military policy in the next four years; you could do worse than examine the new national security team: John Brennan, John Kerry, Charles Hagel, and Martin Dempsey….”
http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/134449/sec_id/134449
The last sentence of the dour conclusion to the article at my last link (awaiting moderation as I type) applies as much to us as to the Americans about whom it was written:
“…we continue to be seduced by the shibboleth that Islam is one of the “world’s great religions” and not just another mutating variant of political fascism.”
Anyone still at a loss why our working class lads have to take the initiative and try to lead the political class from behind need only contemplate that paradox for a while.
Douglas Murray has an article on immigration in the March edition of Standpoint.
“…it seems to me that the vindictiveness with which the concerns of white British people, and the white working and middle class in particular, have been met by politicians and pundits alike is a phenomenon in need of serious and swift attention.”
http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/4868/full
Fraser Nelson of the Spectator magazine, please note.
Hallo-oo? Is there anybody up there?
Is the war over?
Is the radiation down to a safe level? Can I come out of my shelter yet?
Have Well-Wisher, Herbert Thornton & Verity survived?
Or has there been a ‘coup de trois veuves’?
It’s been the angriest week I’ve yet seen on the wall.
He’s already noted it Malfeur. It’s on his list of things to ignore!
Ostrich (o) (13:25)
“Angriest week?”
But the busiest! Remember at the outset I presaged that if trolls were excluded we’d finish up fighting among ourselves? Great stuff! Ten or so people agreeing with other constantly leads to deep ennui. Let the sparks fly, one of them might start a real conflagration.
Btw: the 1st Anniversary of the inauguration of the Renegade Wall passed with no celebratory comment; no annual report, either from the Director or the Treasurer (one of the same, I assume). Are we still viable? I think we should be told. We all seem to know what we are against, but what are we for?
I agree with Frank. And with everyone else.
I’m out with my wife at the moment but when I get in I’ll put some statistics together.
I have plans for the site but am seeking comments from a few folk before I say anything.
Malfleur (12:35)
Is your ‘last link still awaiting moderation’ the one posted subsequently?
Anyway, “Anyone still at a loss why our working class lads have to take the initiative and try to lead the political class from behind need only contemplate that paradox for a while.” Hmmnn.
Another one of those little raspberry tarts dropped under breakfast table, along with a kick and a sideways reproving look at poor little Piglet?
The “working class lads leading from behind” (aka: a bunch of football hooligans on the prowl for machismo violent confrontation that have now developed the cloak of a ‘political movement’ as a new wheeze) had better make sure that they don’t present the stasi wwith valid excuses for banging them up if they wish to survive in the cut-throat world of national politics and corruption. Declared but bogus motivation can be a front for many little schemes and scams, I’m afraid, Malfy. But who knows? Maybe, like many con artists of the past, they have started to believe in their own spiel. That’s of course when they start to over-reach and the house of cards come tumbling down.
Whatever; even Nigel has a better chance than that outfit (and you know what I think of his chances). Btw, NF started off well in his little tête-à-tête with Dermot Murnaghan today, but then displayed the rabbit-in-the-headlights syndrome towards the end and tailed off. Some way to go yet, sadly. Have a word with him Noa. “You’ll have to wait for our manifesto”, is the ploy of the other three established outfits when they’re stumped for a glib reply. Same old, same old …
Frank P 14:01 “… but what are we for?”
An answer from Canada:
Choosing self-esteem over freedom of speech
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/03/02/rex-murphy-choosing-self-esteem-over-freedom-of-speech/
To avoid any doubt, I have already chosen the ‘freedom of speech’ option, but what do we do about spreading the word? The removal of any obstacle to giving everyone freedom of speech would not only help ‘spreading the word’, it would also show that we were winning the fight.
This just in by means of semaphore from ‘a friend of ours’ who is en route from there to here and can’t post for the moment:
http://www.pjonline.com/blog_entry/%E2%80%9Cdecus_et_tutamen%E2%80%9D
Said consigliere points out:
“Given the somewhat draconian punishment meted out to Thomas and Anne Rodgers in 1690 for their amateur efforts, then don’t Brown & Bliar, Bush & O’Bummer and Bankers various, deserve the same punishment for their part in deliberately debasing the value of money ?”
Indeed so. Suck it up folks. We’re cattled!
Malfleur 13:18 Well-noted! Dave the Knave is trashing the aspirations of the middle class in orderr to impose … uh …. impose …. uh …. err, well he is trying to execute a clever plan … but governing the British qua Britain and not an outpost of Bruxelles is not in that plan. I have always thought that Gordon Brown and Tony Blair tiedf for first place in the worst governance in British history, but now I think that Dave is a strong contender. In fact, I think he takes first place. And he is even nastier than G Brown.
Look at Dave’s smooth face, unlined by care or thought. The unlined face, the unfurrowed brow, speak volumes.
Peter from Maidstone March 2nd, 2013 – 20:04
“David, the problem with your post is that it doesn’t really address the issue, and some of the cases you mention seem contentious to me in any case.”
Peter I simply picked six cases where no body can dispute the culprits guilt, I could have mentioned dozens just like these.
You say that some of these are contentious, how precisely are any of these contentious?
You then go on to cloud the issue by talking about Hitler and Hitler’s Germany, that has ne relevance to this argument.
Hexhamgeezer
March 2nd, 2013 – 20:15
Well said Sir.
STATISTICS
Over the last year there have been about 250,000 visits to this site, and about 850,000 pages have been viewed.
I am happy with this as a start. But I hope to see these figures much increased by various developments over 2013, and with your help.
Shoulders to the wheel, P from M!
This week’s seriousness about the comparative virtues of Islam and Chinese civilisation put me in mind of several experiences that strike much lighter notes – all to do with the more general topic of language and idiomatic expressions.
One experience (long ago in the 1950s) was when one of our Russian interpreters’ school tutors asked our little group what we had done over the Christmas holidays. One of us (not me) replied (in Russian) that he had spent a lot of his time at a public house.
The tutor was a large Russian man with a huge voice to match – and moreover (which may appeal to PfM) he was a Russian orthodox priest. Tutor slaps the table in shocked outrage – SHTO! (WHAT?).
Meekly and hesitantly he was asked what was so wrong that?
The tutor, now calmer, but still quivering a bit with clerical indignation explained that the Russian “Publichny Dom” is NOT the translation of the English “public house”. It means “BROTHEL”.
The two more recent (in the 1990s) experiences were in Hong Kong. One was during a restaurant lunch with several Chinese colleagues. The food was excellent, and from my very rudimentary Cantonese I ventured to try to say so – Haih nidouh di choi gogo dou janhai hou housihk.”
Result – a roar of laughter from everybody followed by a good many equally enjoyable giggles – with me of course looking mystified. Then they explained – I’d used the word “choi” which means both “vegetable” and, roughly “food menu item”.
But in colloquial Cantonese what I’d said was – “All the available women here are pretty good.” I should, instead of “choi” have said “sung”. That would have conveyed the idea that I was praising the restaurant’s cuisine. I guess there are parallel coloqualisms in English – e.g. “crumpet” and “dish” – though they aren’t quite so raunchy as “choi” was.
The other time was when I tried to ask our taxi driver to turn left at the next junction, and then stop outside the first big building down the hill. I can’t remember exactly what words I used, but the driver collapsed over his steering wheel in a fit of suppressed giggles. I’ve no idea of the nature of my gaffe – but I’d dearly like to know.
Another experience wasn’t mine, but that of a gwailo colleage whose wife was Chinese. He told me that he & his inlaws were eating at restauaurant. Chinese restaurants are always quite noisy places. Anyway, as he saw a particular dish – prawns or some sort of seafood that he was especially fond of arriving, he said, rather loudly “Ah -………..” To his consternation THE WHOLE RESTAURANT FELL SILENT.
He said his wife told him that he’d in fact said something very obscene indeed.
Herbert 18.59
So easily done. My Chinese wife tells me jokes where the tiny change in word or tone has them in stitches as we would say.
It seems that shanghianese find Taiwan speakers the most amusing for twisted meanings .
There are times when the deliberate attempt to ridicule the traditional institutions of this country by deliberate choices of staffing in high profile situations are so egregious that somebody should sack those responsible.
As I’m sure all here know, the Queen has been admitted to King Edward VII Hospital with a nasty dose of the skitters – there’s a lot of it about in the UK at present and HM obviously needs to be in good care, at her age. In view of the last security protection fiasco at at King Ted 7’s clinic when The Duchess of Cambridge was admitted in the early stages of her pregnancy, it could be thought that more care would be taken this time about choosing those Ossifers of the Leuw deputed to make sure there is not a repeat.
So what do we get? There positioned on the front door, exposed to the Cameras of the World, is probably the tallest ever PC to serve in the Met (obviously employed to rescue cats from tall trees without a ladder) and paired with him, what must be the shortest-arsed PC ever employed, obviously employed, like the sweep boys of old, to go up chimneys – in his case no doubt to search for hidden contraband. Together they appear to be straight out of casting for a Brian Rix farce at the Whitehall Theatre.
Is Bernard Hogan-Howe taking the piss, or what? I realise his contempt for the Met. must have unfathomable depths, given what’s been landed on his plate since he took over; but surely he must have some aesthetic sense of proportion. He’s got a double barrelled name, when all said and done! Is he a Republican, or summat?
Charlie – get them to Change the Guard. Have you no respect for your Old Mum? Pick up the trombone! – Sort it, FFS!
Herbert Thornton, 18:39 “This week’s seriousness about the comparative virtues of Islam and Chinese civilisation.” Islam (capitalised because it begins a sentence) and Chinese civilisation? Comparative virtues? Hello?
Please name one virtue of islam. OK, the men can look quite dashing in kefyas, especially if on a horse a camel – the man, that is, not the keffya, although I did see a camel in a burqa once. And … uh … where was I …
Oh, yes, Chinese civilisation. They, like other civilisations, build and organise. The muslims destroy … they destroy other people’s monuments, of course, because they think no one can create anything but their allah thingy.
Anyway, back to the camel in a burqa that I saw in Cairo, this proves, if anything does, that the burqa is ancient desert attire, as I have so often said, designed to keep fiercely blowing sand and dust out of the nose, mouth and ears. It predates allah, mohammad, whoever.
Frank P – Charles is a drip. Always was and always will be.
Verity
One doesn’t need to go to to Cairo to see camels ibn burquas (a typo, but I like it, so it stays).
The local Sainsburys has herds on a Saturday morning.
Verity – (3 March 19:36)
I wrote “virtues” quite deliberately. I considered writing “characters” or even “evils” but concluded they wouldn’t have the effect I was looking for.
I chose to write “virtues” as a challenge. I wanted to see who (especially Well Wisher who sees none in China) might reveal that they would rather be governed by Islam.
I can’t say that I’ve ever formed the impression that any man in a kefya looked dashing.
In fact your mentioning it puts me in mind of a visit to Zanzibar when I hired a taxi driver (ethnically a coastal Arab/African) who was offering tours of the Island.
It was quite interesting to see the clove plantations and the Sultan’s palace & such and he even showed me the Cathedral where there was a some sort of memorial to David Livingstone, but he as a muslim he coudn’t resist telling me with a sort of quiet triumph that Christian missionaries had completely failed to make any headway there.
But as the culmination of the tour he took me to what turned out to be a sort of night club/dance hall. It was men only, and most of them Arabs. After a few minutes of sitting watching them dancing an especially gross and fat Arab wearing a dirty Kanzu stopped in front of us and wiggled his hips at me, obviously inviting me to dance too. At that point I told the taxi tour man that it was time to get the hell out of the place.
I still shudder at the recollection of it.
Frank P @ 14:21
“Malfleur (12:35)
Is your ‘last link still awaiting moderation’ the one posted subsequently?”
No.
Don’t forget that if you post several links in a comment then it goes into the moderation queue to check it isn’t spam. I pick up the comments on my phone about 20 hours out of the 24, but if I am taking a few moments rest or am busy in Church, as this morning, then comments get moderated as soon as I am able – if they do go in the queue.
Be nice to see us hit 500 posts before the new week.
Football Hooligans.
Confucius said when a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9904640/Arsenal-poised-to-be-subjected-to-1.5bn-takeover-bid-from-Middle-East-consortium-within-the-next-few-weeks.html
Noa
March 3rd, 2013 – 21:04 “Be nice to see us hit 500 posts before the new week.”
Remember we are still after quality and conciseness!
On the ‘virtues’ topic, I viewed it in the same way as the ‘advantages’ of having Cameron as PM.
RobertC
“Remember we are still after quality and conciseness!”
These are always ‘virtues’, but often subjective!
Herbert Thornton – Thanks for an illuminating post. I meant men in the movies in keffyahs, riding horses. Lawrenc of Arabia, for example. They look dashing. And, to be honest, when one is in the Middle East, it is interesting to see all the different ways they tie the keffyah. As I said, I saw a camel in Cairo once, wearing a mask covering its nose and it looked quite intersting. I may have photo somewhere.
It is so sad that the Malay women in Malaysia have taken to wearing the burqa. When I was there, they were the saron kebaya, and their shiny black hair loose around their shoulders, and they looked gorgeous. Then the fundamentalists began to target them and little by little, you would see more and more women in headscarves until anyone not in a burqa was stared at. This was after Mahathir had resigned his long term in office, during which he took Malaysia into the modern world. How quickly they reverted!
Harking back to the discussion earlier in the week Sultan Knish wrote recently of the difference between islam and communism, albeit not of the Chinese variety.
“…While Islam shares some common denominators with Communism, as well as Nazism, it is also a quite different entity than either one. For one thing it is not Western in any sense of the word. It does not rely on a centralized leadership. It has had over a thousand years to seep into the culture of the regions it has conquered. That has made Islam into an identity in a much more profound way, than Adolf or Vladimir could have ever managed with their own crackpottery…”
A salutary read for those who haven’t already seen his post.
http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/the-mirage-of-moderate-islam.html
Verity
March 3rd, 2013 – 21:45
Rudolph Valentino – The Sheihk of Arabi……….or another sanatised version, but certainly not the real thing, sans soap and water!
Big Brother (oe Big Sister) BBC’s headlines tonight were about the sad story of the disgraced Churchman. This before the hospitalisation of our Queen. I wish her a speedy recovery and hope she will soon be home with her family.
Sorry about all the typing errors. The letters have all vanished, fallen off or faded away from my banging at them. It’s a laptop so I can’t buy a new keyboard. What with Verity’s pillowslips doubling as venetian blinds, and my keyboard crumbling before my eyes, things have come to a terrible pass. 🙂
Anne Wotana Kaye 1
I remember that a few years back when five or six letters had been knocked off my computer by children playing games too energetically, I was able to buy individual letters or keys and stick them on. You might take a look around to see if these are available where you are.
Noa 21:39 “[Quality and conciseness] are always ‘virtues’, but often subjective!”
It is why they are so satisfying when they are attained, and even more so when others agree!
Objective qualities, such as word count, can be so unsatisfying, even when attained. Though, when placed under duress, the relief, when conforming to agreed criteria, can be bring rewarding feelings.
This may help Anne
http://www.prlog.org/11064369-fix-for-worn-off-computer-keyboard-keys.html
or this
http://www.inclusive.co.uk/alphabet-keyboard-stickers-p1995
It might be of hep to Verity too. I have visions of that pillowcase wearing out.
You can get replacement keyboards for laptops Anne. I’ll even come and fit it for you.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 22:28 ‘Broken and lost keys’
As I have a Dell, I googled “broken keys Dell XPS” and found this site:
http://www.laptopkey.com/Guides.php/Dell/XPS/M1330/D1
It has a film clip that explains what needs to be done for most keyboards.
Fitting the keys does look fiddly, but you may have some young potential experts, with nimble fingers, who, with a bit of training, may surprise themselves with what they can achieve.
Dame Helen Ghosh. The wind turbine lover who is now the CE of the National Trust.
An excellent analysis by Quentin Letts of one who obviously likes to ‘lead beyond authority.’
Would you renew your subscription after reading this?
bhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2286825/Will-Lady-Calamity-wreck-National-Trust.html
Anne Wotana Kaye 1.
Never mind Rudolph Valentino in The Sheihk of Arabi…
I miss Desert Song star John Hanson.
David Ossitt 3rd, – 23:19
“I miss Desert Song star John Hanson.”
He were good in ‘The Student Prince’ too.
Noa 3rd, – 22:47
Bl**dy h*ll, I never thought of googling for those; I’ve been using a U.S. origin keyboard for ages, but plugged into a U.K. computer it definitely doesn’t always do “what it says on the tin.”
Thanks loads for the tip!
“The local Sainsburys has herds on a Saturday morning.”
🙂
Noa (3 March – 22:04)
Thanks for the link to the Sultanknish material. It’s like reading about a deadly virus against which immunisation has no chance of succeeding – which means that the only thing that will work is the total elimination of the virus itself and of its source.
David Ossitt, the movie version of The Desert Song starred Gordon McRae. And Lawrence of Arabia starred Peter O’Toole in a keffiyah.
Well, this was a perky week, wasn’t it, Herbert Thornton? We are probably the only two posters in N America and still operating in daylight.
Malfleur
March 3rd, 2013 – 22:35
Thanks. I think your solution is the easiest and cheapest!
Peter of Maidstone:
Thanks for your kind offer, but I will try Malfleur’s idea, as it seems the simplest and also inexpensive.
Noa and Robert C.
Many thanks for your kind suggestions.
David Ossitt
March 3rd, 2013 – 23:19
Hi David,
I saw a great production of Desert Song at an Empire Variety Theatre just after the war. Corny and shabby cpstumes, but the music and voices were fantastic.
If you can avoid being distracted by the open middle button of his waistcoat and other aspects of his ensemble, this history lesson from Dr. Darryl Robert Schoon is good value in basic Iranian political history since WW2 and an amusing 30 minutes’ exercise in geopolitical reality and the best laid plans of mice and men expressed in user-friendly American demotic…:
“Why Iran Went Bonkers, Dollars and Sense Show 51”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWen9rChnuA&feature=youtu.be
(I think there must be at least another 50 of these – perhaps we could commission him to do one for the CoffeeHouseWall – ‘How the Coalition Government Pulled it Off’, or ‘the Empire Inside Out: British Demographics and the European Union’…?)
Verity (3 March 00:34) –
At the time you wrote that, I guess we were!
The best part of the week has been our not suffering fools gladly, eh?
American Football Hooligans- at the 35 Yard Line
“For a long time, since 1945, American “monetary policy” has been one of deliberate malfeasance. It is important to keep in mind that the Bretton Woods Accords (BWA) were ratified and passed into law by Congress and the President in 1945. Its $35 an ounce gold clause is still the law of the land. It cannot be repealed with a simple Presidential executive order issued in 1971! The fact that the IMF and World Bank still operate within the United States, and the US Dollar is still the international “reserve currency” is only because the BWA is still in effect. The only aspect of the BWA that Nixon canceled was its most important; the gold convertibility clause. With the ratification of the Bretton Woods Accords, the US in 1945 promised the world that it would only issue $35 paper dollars for each ounce of gold held by the US Treasury. … a more accurate description of American “monetary policy” since WW2 is one of deliberate and criminal malfeasance….
… In July 1938 the US National Debt was only $37.1 billion dollars. Warren Buffet’s net worth is now greater than the entire US National Debt in 1938! I see these things, these inflationary perversions and my mind reels! Where’s the media’s outrage? Oh I forgot, they are still stuck-on-stupid. Anyway, by the time “Nixon closed the Gold Window” in August 1971, the big spenders in Washington had increased the National debt to $412.83 billion dollars, at a time when gold was still legally money and pegged to $35 paper dollars an ounce. No wonder the US saw a run on its gold. And as is so typical of Washington, they blamed the consequences of their incompetent “policies” on an intended victim who successfully slipped from their grasp: Charles de Gaulle of France.”
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_12/lundeen030313.html
Malfleur, he has a website…
http://www.drschoon.com/default.asp
His religious views are a bit too left field for me.
Thanks Peter. Doc Schoon is not someone I would resort to for religious advice!
I was invited to the Anglican church here yesterday, which apart from my excursion to Canterbury Cathedral for Evensong in January and occasional family funerals, I have not been to for decades. It was rather like entering an old room and finding that all the furniture, pictures and wallpaper had been changed. The bishop however seemed a good man and gave a moving sermon. He had grown up in the Austrlalian outback where he had had a vision, which did not go down to well with his father, a farmer. He stuck to it though – and in fact I think I was told he had a subsequent one. Anyhow, I told someone that I considered the bishop lucky, as a vision is presumably like being given an Euclidean proof – like Pascal travelling across the Pont Neuf in the thunderstorm which we discussed here last year. Apart from the sermon though, I was not in a state of grace.
I won’t be going to him for any financial advice though!