The Coffee House Wall – 25th/31st March

Posted on March 25, 2013

This is the Coffee House Wall for this week. I won’t say that it is your chance to communicate with us, as we are all in this together. It is, nevertheless, the Conservative Blog post that has no particular theme, and where everything is on topic. Let’s just remember that we want to avoid ad hominem attacks on others. We don’t want to engage with trolls. We want to moderate our language ourselves as responsible and mature adults, choosing to use fruity language only where it is necessary. This is our opportunity to show what the Spectator Coffee House Wall could have been like.

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247 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 25th/31st March”

  1. Re. last week’s discussion on the tiddlywinks:

    “Professor Huang Jing from Singapore University and a former adviser to the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) says a rising cadre of officers has slipped the leash and picked up attitudes all too like the Japan’s firebrand officers in the 1930s, when they defied orders from Tokyo. He said these young bloods are on a “collision course” with the US-dominated global system. ”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/9950791/The-dangerous-drift-towards-world-war-in-Asia.html

  2. I Skyped my brother in Cyprus last week, things are grim, nobody has any money and can’t get any from abroard. I asked him if he had any deposits in Cyprus other than his monthly transfer. This was the answer I received. he did not keep funds in Cyprus his accountant had warned him not to. Now that was eighteen months ago. If that was known to a provincial accountant in North Wales, how much more did those higher up the financial chain, not to mention governments and brussels? This problem has been known about for some considerable time and was ignored, what more is waiting to come out of the woodwork. As for the confiscation of funds from Cypriot banks do not fool yourselves into thinking it could not happen here, these things have a habit of establishing a life of their own, remember what happened with income tax. I rather think that Cameron and co are thinking of ways to do the ame here and using the proceeds to boost the foreign aide budget.

  3. Boot’s on the ground in Ascot:

    http://alexanderboot.com/content/another-one-bites-dust

    Very droll, though perhaps a little funereal.

    Closing paragraph of the eulogy:

    “One can only hope that his death will help our useful idiots to become less idiotic, to learn to recognise monsters for what they are. Mind you, I’m not holding my breath. ”

    No … for God’s sake don’t do that, Alexander. It would certainly generate another conspiracy theory.

  5. Letter in the Mail, in response to the link I posted directly above:

    “This guy infuriates me!! I’m a trainee teacher who is due to graduate this summer and because of this man I often regret my career choice before it has even began!”

    – kerri55 , Lancashire, 25/3/2013 13:42

    I’m sure parents of your pupils also regret your career choice KerriSS.

    “

  8. I think anne wotana kaye@March 25th, 2013 – 14:58 is advocating a life of wine, women and song!

  9. Alexandr.
    Buying gold is what I have been thinking of, Glad to know that you can buy it online, which is far more subtle than pushing a wheel barrow down Hatton Garden while shouting “Any old gold?”

  10. Haven’t seen Farage responding anywhere to Cameron’s speech on immigration today. The Ukip site is silent on the subject, too. Everybody hungover, perhaps? Let’s be ‘having ya! U kipping?

  11. From the Telegraph;

    “DAVID CAMERON’S IMMIGRATION CRACKDOWN UNRAVELS.
    “A major crackdown by David Cameron on immigration was unravelling rapidly today after it emerged that it would only affect a small minority of foreigners in Britain”.

    Why am I not surprised? Cameron is all hot air and no action, or “all hat and no cattle”. Big, tough words, from Tough Action Man Cameron. If half a dozen immigrants are deprived of councill housing because of him, that would be a miracle. Does this idiot actually succeed in fooling anyone? Go now, Dave, you have “delighted” us long enough.

  13. What would the EU have said about a third world government that decided to Rob banks of savers money.

  16. Frank P.

    “Haven’t seen Farage responding anywhere to Cameron’s speech on immigration today.”

    Hello Frank the BBC 6pm news did show a very short clip of Farage, where he gave us his opinion that this was Cameron’s response to how popular UKIP is becoming.

    Thirty seconds, no more; it stinks that the BBC will not give the man a proper voice.

  18. John birch
    March 25th, 2013 – 17:36

    What would the EU have said about a third world government that decided to Rob banks of savers money.
    =====================
    The third world do it all the time. Rob us tax payers to support their despots in stretch limosines, and work a scam with those rattling charity boxes for starving children. They rob savers in every way, amd the EU is their greatest advocate.

  20. Stephen Maybery @ 10.14, Max Keiser has been warning of this for ages in his excellent YouTube videos. Keiser is understandably cock-a-hoop today.

    The key point for British people will be British jurisdiction: when push comes to shove, governments will look after their own voters – they’ll buy votes if they have to.

    The entire Evening Standard is now nothing but Lefty propaganda funded by a bien pensant oligarch, Alexander Lebedev, trying to ingratiate his way up high society’s politically correct pole – but today Lefty nitwit columnist Hamish McRae had a home truth I have long known and acted upon:

    “If we are seeing the limits of German willingness to support eurozone bailouts when the numbers don’t matter, what will happen when the numbers do matter very much?

    “We cannot know when that test will come. Rationally, given what has just happened, it makes no sense for anyone to hold a large balance in a Spanish or Italian bank if they could avoid it. The risk may be small but it is not negligible, and you want to sleep at night.”

    http://www.standard.co.uk/business/markets/hamish-mcrae-time-for-anger-but-no-euro-crunch-yet-8548523.html

    The day will come. It may be a slow-motion car crash but it is a car crash.

    There’s a constant effort at trying to pretend everything’s normal and then people realise again it’s not.

    One of the big ones will fall one day – and then what?

    Santander has worked tirelessly through the onslought of this car crash to enmesh itself in the heart of the British banking system by offering the best rates possible, all in the hope it will force the British government to save it (well, the Spanish government won’t), but will it be saved?

    The principle of depositor protection is clear enough, but what if there is – at the bottom of the small print – nothing in the pot?

    Watch out with Santander, Credit Agricole and so on – we don’t know what will happen in the worst case scenario. If you own shares, check you personally own them and they’re not in a conduit owned by a bank like Societe Generale.

    Does that mean the British government will not steal from exclusively British-based banks? No.

    But George Osborne and David Cameron are like Raffles, the gentleman thief.

    They will do it through money printing and inflation so that their poor victims won’t notice.

    I guess staying in a British bank is the lesser of two evils.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX7ZXNJZMrE

  21. C4 News tonight had a piece on the situation in Alleppo in Syria. One of the groups featured was a bunch of young fighters under the tutelage of an older ‘teacher’. They were shown praying but also playing football on a computer game (see! they’re just like us!). And what did they remember being taught about by their ‘teacher’? – Adolf Hitler – a fact that went totally unremarked by Jon Snow.

  22. Hexamgeezer 23:36 — “(see! they’re just like us!)” Well spotted! The British media are sickening. Manipulative and spiteful. Nasty.

  23. From The Mail, Quentin Letts writes of Boris Johnson, “But female voters like Boris rather more than they seem to like the more conventionally handsome, modern-man Cameron.”

    Wha’?? The Rt Hon David Blancmange-Face is “handsome”? Hello? Well, if flabby vacuity topped by inexplicable self-regard is “conventionally handsome”, then I would have to cede the point. I mean, “handsome”? Like Gary Cooper? Cary Grant? Roger Moore? Tom Cruise?

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2298529/Nasty-Not-exactly-But-TV-ambush-Boriss-rise-doesnt-look-quite-irresistible.html#ixzz2ObdQBFaM
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  24. Verity
    March 26th, 2013 – 02:18
    You took the very words out of my, er, keyboard. I was going to post a link to his column in two minutes! He might be wrong about slimy Blancmange-face, but that man is one of the funniest Parliamentary sketch-writers ever IMNSHO, PLUS he famously got up the nose of that ghastly little creep “Lord” Sugar a couple of years ago!

  26. One million plus people in Paris get their arses out of the seminars and onto the boulevards to protest against same sex ‘marriage’.
    And such direct action is the only way to change anything in the face of home ploiticians and EUrocrats who simply argue about how to cut the cake, not to divide it.

    Should UKIP organise such protests? Well, if not them, who else?
    Should the rest of an ineffectual Right continue to splinter and turn cannibal, or should it coalesce around a coherent centre?

    The ever incisive Boot on form:-

    http://alexanderboot.com/content/do-french-show-us-way

  27. So…Eddie Mair asked Boris to respond to the charge that he’s “A nasty piece of work”?

    Rearrange ‘black’, ‘kettle’ and ‘pot’ to form a sentence, adding the necessary articles and verbs.

  28. Tres bon pour les francais!

    Where did this notion of “gay marriage” come from, anyway. It hit the US at the same time … and France. Sounds like a destructive, fast-lspreading virus that eats away on settled civilisations.

    I wonder who is the agent? Who is behind this?? Any ideas, Coffeehousers?

    My own feeling, going on no information whatsoever is, it is not a gay agenda. This is someone or some organisation using the gays as a tool. The promoters need to be exposed so we can identify a destructive underground global element. They won’t like that. They don’t like it up ’em! Oh! … wait a minute …

  29. Ostrich(occasionally) 13:15

    Or, as I put it on the thread on Trolltopia – ‘the haggis calling jellied eels indigestible’.

  30. Tres bon pour les francais!

    Where did this notion of “gay marriage” come from, anyway. It hit the US at the same time … and France. Sounds like a destructive, fast-lspreading virus that eats away on settled civilisations.

    I wonder who is the agent? Who is behind this?? Any ideas, Coffeehousers?

    My best friend of 30 years is gay and, like a lot of women who live in big city environments, I have gay friends who I know quite well. My own feeling, going on no information whatsoever is, it is not a gay agenda. This is someone or some organisation using the gays as a tool to to unravel cohesive societies. The promoters need to be exposed so we can identify a destructive underground global element. They won’t like that. They don’t like it up ’em! Oh! … wait a minute … Most gays I know live settled lives, own their own homes, are high up on the career ladder and are conservative in their outlook They vote Tory or, in the US, Republican.

    My guess, this malign, manipulative movement will eventually be dropped with a dull thus. (Peter Tatchell won’t abandon it as his entire career has been carved out of “gay rights” and gay agendas … and gay grievances, which he has thought up himself (or his coterie thought up for him).

  31. Verity, I (with no proof) suspect this may be going on in other countries as well, it cannot be coincidence it’s going on in these countries at the same time.
    Something stinks.

  32. Verity (13:15)

    Who? I’m surprised you even have to enquire. The answer is of course, the vanguard of the Long March, which comprises Academia, the MSM, think tanks by the score and the product of the conspiracy, which has continued and prevailed for several decades, polluting the entire raft of institutions of Western Civilisation. The resultant crop of useful idiots has proliferated exponentially and now represents a vast majority of the potential electorates. It follows, of course, that the consensus of opinions expressed here, by the folks who are but the remnants of what was a proud culture and heritage, are but the chirrup of a blue tit against the clamour in the Tower of Babel. Suck it up!

  34. Noa12:45

    Another great rallying call from our Russian guru. Nigel and he should organise a rally. And Nigel should discard that friggin’ titfer before he appears on TV next time. I’m only too aware how parky it is out East presently, but his al fresco bg on News night last night, while his adversaries were cosily tucked up in the studio (outnumbering him three to one, BTW), was a stitch up and ergo a disaster. The beatle-eyed, leathery lefty, Emily Maitliss, ambushed him with Lord Cobra of the subcontinent and the Marxist hag whose name escapes me; you know the one – Jo Brand’s body double. Who is Nigel’s PR man? Volunteer for the job, Noa. He needs some advice!

  35. Frank P 11.35 – Yes, yes, of course i realised that this is a weapon (not “fairness”) against our Western civilisation! It is obvious. And The Rt Hon David Shameron is a useful tool. It is douby efficacious, because they can smear opponents as “prejudiced” and “intolerant” and blah blah blah blah blah. (The usual lefty boilerplate.)

    Noa – Good morning, my time. Before I bother to go to the link, what is SSM?

    Frank P, it’is morning here! Please! The mention of Jo Brand, so close to breakfast, gave me the dry heaves!

  36. Frank P 26th, – 14:33

    “beatle-eyed, leathery lefty, Emily Maitlis”

    Has any character, in any novel you’ve read, ever evoked a particularly clear mental image? La Maitlis reminds me of one such: Anthea Vere-Toombs whom, in “The Tribe that lost its Head”, Nicholas Monsarrat described as “a haggard blonde”.

  38. “Emily No-mates” as she is known to Private Eye! Incidentally, and apropos of nothing much, has anyone seen Roberto Rosselini’s “India”? Evidently he was invited by Nehru to make a documentary on the tenth anniversary of independence and what an absolute eye-opener it is! The streets and buildings appeared to be in excellent repair, the streets swept and the streets relatively uncrowded (much like England at the time). Compare with the absolute chaos and shabbiness that appear to be the norm now. Any old India hands – or others – care to comment?

  39. Frank P
    I’m a little distracted at the moment, as I’m caught up in the middle of local elections: identifying, managing and supporting the sheer administrivia of the electoral process. Mad candidates, bad candidates, dangerous candidates and lazy ones who can’t be ar@ed to fill in their bloody nomination forms. Mr Farage is visiting Blackburn next week, but I’ll be too busy canvassing and getting forms into the Electoral office to worry about the likes of him;-))
    BTW he’s normally pretty efficiently supported and briefed on the PR side. There’s a small but very good team there.
    Have just been spouting off on a local radio interview for the NW (OMG-North West for you my dear Verity!); I could get to like the sound of my own voice. But then, my long suffering Missus and family have been saying that for a while… ho hum!

  40. Ostrich

    “beatle-eyed, leathery lefty, Emily Maitlis” That Frank P, he’s a one i’n he, eh?

    Conjures up visions of No-mates husking in a bone filled pterodactyl clifftop nest, feeding tripes and offal to a brood of no-matelets.
    Which, come to think of it, defines most of the BBC’s political commentators.

  41. Verity
    March 26th, 2013 – 13:41
    Mention of Peter Tatchell sends my mind winging to a question that I have pondered often, to wit; why do those ego-challenged nations of the Antipodes export so many to the UK to wreak havoc? I’m thinking of Germaine Greer, Clive james, Richie Benaud, Rolf Harris, Barry Humphries (those last two cultural havoc!) and that ghastly woman who runs the Greens now. Along similar lines I wonder why Peter Hain doesn’t live in Rhodesia, now that it’s been transformed into the Nirvana that he always agitated for?

  42. Actually Noa, I wrote ‘beetle-eyed’ but once again my poxy tablet changed it without prior permission – obviously whoever set up the auto-spellchecker software for Google is infatuated with Lennon/McCartney. Personally I can’t stand the feckers – dead or alive – most overrated ‘entertainers’ that ever lived (and died – I’m hoping to outlive ’em all and that most of their caterwauling will then cease). Does anyone know how to switch off this auto-correct function on a Nexus 7 Tablet? Its a PITA. Bit like those mobile phones texting functions, that try to guess what word you are about use.

    Now I must go googling NW Radio soundbites, as you’ve blown your cover. 🙂

  43. I’m really getting quite concerned over the amount of hope that is being placed in UKIP to solve all the world’s, or at least the UK’s, problems, by peopl who really should know better, such as my old favourite doomsayer, Moraymint.

    Come on chaps-and chapesses. If Nigel won a general election tomorrow with a 50 seat majority and handed notice of EU withdrawl in 24 hours later, it would still take years before the holed below the waterline SS Titanic that is the UK could patch the hole and start to pump out the bilge.

    http://moraymint.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/nigel-farage-please-slip-your-underpants-over-your-trousers-fast/

    Still, getting out of the UK and a moratorium on immigration wouldn’t seem too unreasonable, would it?

    Just for starters.

  44. Frank P 26th, – 19:38

    “is infatuated with Lennon/McCartney. Personally I can’t stand the feckers”

    When he was with the ‘Travelling Wilburys’, even George Harrison is quoted as saying something like, “I’ve played with a few bands now and I don’t think the Beatles were that good”.

  45. I’m completely bamboozled; you could’ve knocked me down with a feather!

    vimeo.com/m/62422161

  46. O(o) 20:43

    Yes – Harrison was great after he left the untalented ones. Dunno how McCartney manages to continue to get away with it.

  47. So the Millipede is off to the States. Once, such a Marxist would have been refused admission. The charity racket certainly is home to the most uncharitable characters.

  48. Did anyone enjoy “I Claudius” on the Beeb on its first, second or even third outings? It’s on again, and the recording is in excellent condition… try it on BBC4…its just like modern politics!

  49. Ostrich (occasionally)
    March 26th, 2013 – 23:13
    Just finished seeing Part 2 – Brilliant! Loved it when it first came out, and it still is magic.

  50. Given the current interest in kiddie-fiddlers brought about by Saville, I’m surprised Harpie hasn’t had her collar felt. She would seem to be a better candidate than Jim Davidson. As an aside, there is a photographic record of the vile Tatchell demonstrating in support of the pervs at a Unison rally. And one of the biggest backers of the Labour party is ……?

    “After qualifying as a lawyer, Harriet Harman worked for Brent Law Centre in London. Her husband is Jack Dromey MP. She is the niece of Lord Longford.

    Between 1978 and 1982, Harriet Harman was employed as the Legal Officer for the National Council for Civil Liberties which later became Liberty.

    At the time the National Council for Civil Liberties was officially affiliated to two organisations, the Paedophile Information Exchange and the Paedophile Action for Liberation, whose members argued openly for the abolition of the age of consent.

    When Harriet Harman first entered politics this matter was brought up, but a friendly media and other politicians accepted her claims that the NCCL no longer had any connection with P.I.E. /P.A.L. when she was Legal Officer between 1978 and 1982. However it later transpired that P.I.E./P.A.L. had been officially affiliated with the NCCL until 1982, when Harman left and P.I.E. /P.A.L. went underground.

    She has since repeatedly veered between denying any connection with P.I.E. and P.A.L., and claiming that as a Legal Officer for the NCCL she had no choice in who she represented.

    Patricia Hewitt ex MP was General Secretary of the National Council for Civil Liberties from 1974 to 1983.

    As with a lot of liars Harman has different versions of events for different audiences.

    Let’s look at the first lie that she was never connected or in contact with P.I.E. or P.A.L. in any way:

    Documents now in the Public Domain show a NCCL letter signed by Harriet Harman objecting in the strongest terms to any laws against child pornography, unless it could be proved by the prosecution that the child was harmed.

    The NCCL also submitted a response to the Government arguing for lowering the age of consent and stating “Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage.”

    When the Government moved to crack down on child pornography, the NCCL’s response, again signed by Harriet Harman, claimed the new law could lead to “absurd prosecutions and increased censorship”.

    As Legal Officer for the NCCL she also argued to abolish incest laws. Jack Dromey served on the NCCL Executive Committee from 1970 to 1979.

    There are allegations that Lord Longford was part of this lobbying but no documentary evidence has emerged yet.

    So having nailed the lie that she was never involved in P.I.E. or P.A.L. let’s have a look at the lie that she had no choice but to represent paedophile groups as Legal Officer for NCCL.

    Well this is also obviously not true as visiting the NCCL/Liberty website will show that NCCL/Liberty state:

    “Liberty receives thousands of requests for legal advice and assistance each year.

    Because we’re a small organisation with limited resources, our lawyers are unable to take up all of these cases actively.”

    So clearly NCCL/Liberty don’t have to take up every case they are approached with.

    P.I.E. went underground in 1982, but resurfaced in June 2012 mounting a demo in support of Muslim paedophiles outside Liverpool Crown Court led by a Labour Party Councillor and Labour Party Activists.

    For more Labour Party paedophile scandals Google “Labour25”.

  51. This from the Daily Mail isn’t really new –

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2299374/Cyprus-crisis–weekly-limits-cash-withdrawals-UK-government-stops-pension-payments-Cypriot-banks.html

    However, it did make me respond. I doubt whether the DM will publish it, so here’s a version for the Wallpeople –

    “Confiscating/stealing – call it what you like, but can you take comfort that it (so far) only applies to your MONEY?

    But once having done that what’s the next step?

    Knock knock at your front door.

    Yes?

    We’re from the British Housing Agency. Starting tomorrow, you will own only half your house, but we’re not unreasonable. Do you want to keep the upstairs or the downstairs?

    But, but……

    O.K. we won’t waste time arguing. Most people choose to keep the downstairs so that’s what we’ll put you down for. The upstairs will be transferred to an immigrant family. You’ll be entirely comfortable with them. There are only nine of them and they’ll be out most of the day on Fridays. Good day to you.”

  52. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2299627/Girl-8-shot-arrow-climbing-life-sized-whale-sculpture-outside-California-science-museum.html

    Instant ban called for. Oh, wait, don’t the indigenous people use bows and arrows? Well, we can’t ban them then! Let’s blame the NRA. And the Tea Party. Oh, and we’ve not forgiven the Japanese yet. You know how they love whalemeat.

    So, problem solved. It was fundamentalist Japanese whale hunters, urged on by the NRA, Tea Party and white Republicans.

  54. Abu Qatada has friends on high. He cannot be deported from Britain as he would ‘face torture’ in his own country, Jordan. He should be released from prison, is the verdict! Simple solution: Let him have the same fate as the Russian Berezovsky. He too can ‘commit suicide’ and be found hanging, or whatever. A few terrorists meeting this fate, and they may not be so keen to leech off the taxpayers here and live in luxury whilst laughing at us.

  55. Archie Ponsonby 19:12 – Actually, I have liked almost every Aussie and Kiwi I have ever known, so from my point of view, your blanket slur is not just unjustified, but peculiar.

    AWK 12:09 – “Abu Qatada has friends on high. He cannot be deported from Britain as he would ‘face torture’ in his own country, Jordan.” WHAT????? Jordan is by far the most civilised, well-run, freest, most democratic country in the ME!

    HM Queen Rania does one day a week (it may be a month, but no matter) as an ambulance driver. She wears a Red Crescent uniform and does her bit at accidents and emergencies. She does the scut work as well as driving. Jordan doesn’t toture people There may be other countries in the ME that don’t torture people, but I am absolutely confident about making this claim for Jordan.

  56. Re: Abu Qatada – For starters the housing allowance and benefits which support this criminal, his whore wive and congenitally defective family in a mansion can be stopped. Put them in one room in an area where there are none of his ilk, preferably where the flag of St George hangs from windows, and the locals walk around with fierce dogs. Publish his address, and let the public know where thee pig and his family move around.

  57. I see the creep who disrupted the Boat Race – having had no regard for the weeks of intense training the oarsmen had endured, and how much discipline is employed to give one’s all, as a team member – has been described by The Speccie as the “Boat Race protester”. He was “protesting” something? Who knew? Whatever it was he was “protesting”, he was using it as a vehicle for his hefty ego.

  58. Anne:-
    “…Put them in one room in an area where there are none of his ilk, preferably where the flag of St George hangs from windows, and the locals walk around with fierce dogs.”

    You mean Buckingham Palace 😉

  59. Noa
    March 27th, 2013 – 13:52
    Yes. Noa,
    I understand the corgis give quite a nasty bite. But this plan fizzles out because Charles is too much of a fellow traveller. Still. perhaps Philip can finish the bugger off!

  60. From the vaults (04.09.09)

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2009/09/obama-and-cameron-who-thought-what-about-whom/

    Oscar

    There was chemistry between Obama and Cameron at their first meeting – it was evident from all the pictures. And despite the massive press operation around Obama’s G20 visit I detected none of the genuine warmth beween Obama and Brown that was so evident between Blair and Clinton and Blair and Bush. Blair made lasting friendships with both these men, but there was no sign of any personal bond between Brown and Obama. And yes these things do matter. They help turn the all important wheels of international diplomacy. The value of these social/political skills in our PM seem vastly under-rated by the readership of Coffehouse.

    Frank P

    ” The value of these social/political skills in our PM seem vastly under-rated by the readership of Coffehouse.”

    Well, foxtrot, Oscar! How can you under-rate non-existent social/political skills?
    Pompous prick!

  61. anne wotana kaye
    March 27th, 2013 – 12:09
    “Abu Qatada has friends on high. He cannot be deported from Britain as he would ‘face torture’ in his own country, Jordan”.

    Does anyone in the UK actually care if he gets tortured in Jordan?

  62. Noa . Ha ha ha ha ha! Andy Carpark, and a “ha ha ha ha ha!” to you, too! Good to see you back! Re your post, there is never any “genuine warmth” between egoist-driven opportunists who are aware that they are not adequate for the task and fear being found out.

  63. Ignorant British judge. According to The Mail, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2299862/Abu-Qatada-Will-rid-Hate-cleric-told-STAY-Britain.html, that Al Queda thingy, or however you spell his name, can’t be deported to face charges in Jordan, because the lofty British judge fears that this naive innocent would not get a fair trial.

    Ignorant judge. If he had read anything about Jordan, he would know it is a beacon of civilised thinking and behaviour. The arab arsehole would get a fair — AND PUBLIC — trial in Aman. In fact, it would probably be televised for the world to see.

    The solution to this arsehole (the terrorist not the judge, although him, too) is to send him back to Jordan for trial. I believe they have the death penalty (not sure), but the trial would be open and fair.

  64. Re the recent self-determination poll of the Falkland Islanders, in which they voted over 94% to stay British? Do you think Argentina will still perservere in its fantasy that it “owns” the islands?

    Is the Pope Catholic? Oooooops!

  65. I see Michael Mann – of Climate Hockey Stick fame – is bleating about “life as a target” in The Scientist magazine.
    Looks like he’s dropped his claim to be a Nobel laureate; and no mention of Mark Steyn among his persecutors.
    He signs off with the standard eco-doom-warnings – which will ring more hollow than usual in sub-zero Blighty.
    A comment claims the arctic ice sheets have gone missing. Had I been able to get through the tortuous registration procedure (I think you have to a paid up subscriber to the mag to comment) I would have pointed out that the missing ice has migrated south to England – they’re welcome to have it back.
    http://www.the-scientist.com//?articles.view/articleNo/34853/title/Opinion–Life-as-a-Target/

  66. Verity.

    Re the recent self-determination poll of the Falkland Islanders, in which they voted over 94% to stay British?

    Much better than that Verity, see the full list below.

    Falkland Islands sovereignty referendum, 2013
    Choice Votes Percentage
    Yes 1,513 99.80%
    No 3 0.20%
    Valid votes 1,516 99.87%
    Invalid or blank votes 2 0.13%
    Total votes 1,518 100.00%
    Voter turnout 92.00%
    Electorate 1,650
    Source: Falkland Islands Government

    And then read the poison emanating from the bloody Guardian at:-

    Falklands’ referendum fools nobody – it amounts to a rigged ballot …
    http://www.guardian.co.uk › Media › Greenslade

  67. Lesley C.
    March 27th, 2013 – 14:50

    anne wotana kaye
    March 27th, 2013 – 12:09
    “Abu Qatada has friends on high. He cannot be deported from Britain as he would ‘face torture’ in his own country, Jordan”.

    Does anyone in the UK actually care if he gets tortured in Jordan?
    =================================
    Cannot speak for anybody else, but personally I’d like his agony (and that of his wife and family) to go on long and hard. Jordan is far too civilised, send him to an African country where they use choppers!

  68. I know it’s my own fault, I should just pick up the zapper and change channels, or simply pull the plug out of the socket when it starts; but curiosity keeps me staring at the mind-boggling bullshit that spews from the rectangular sewage outlet that pollutes my living space for far too large a proportion of each day – sometimes on into the small wee hours.

    Even after that, the Sky box is programmed to pick up and record transatlantic effluence, during the few hours of troubled semi-conscious disturbance that I foolishly describe as ‘sleep’.

    Take this morning, for instance: finally accepting that I may as well rise from my reverie of the usual rueful re-visitation of regretful reminiscence of my own sins of commission and omission – and busy myself with the mundane tasks of the day, I stumbled into the lounge, after the appropriate daily ablutions, to find my dear wife already hanging on the words of Dermot Marzipan, the Sky News morning confection. He was informing the world that a Marxist Milibrat was renouncing his Membership of Parliament in order to emigrate to New York and join a lucrative international charity scam that would entitle him to travel the world in luxury and spread his Marxist message – even more effectively than he had already done from his privileged pad in Primrose Hill, or wherever he now nests in London.

    I thought for one delicious moment that the leader of the Labour Party had been discovered embezzling its funds and was being banished to New York in order to recoup some of the losses, never dreaming that the activities of the lesser of two weevils would be worthy of such attention on TV. But no! Sadly, it was the loser of the two sons of Adolphe ‘Ralph’ Miliband (the erstwhile communist ‘intellectual’ con-man), that was under discussion; so I swallowed my disappointment and persevered, in order to ascertain why the next career move of a has-been failed politician could warrant the attention of a major news channel, thinking that all would be revealed in a 15 second sound bite – about the time it should have required to exhaust the interest of anyone with two synapses enjoined in passing consideration.

    Alas – and I return to the first sentence of my essay: I should have known better. What followed was some 20 minutes of pointless ‘analysis’, with vox pops – and a protracted and pointless interview with the Labour Party Chairmen from his constituency ‘oop n’w’rth’: an extended labour party political broadcast – with dark threats of even further ‘insight’ from Adam ‘Piggie’ Bolton, the other Labour Party propagandist – who has an hour’s slot at 1pm. And of course it has been a continuous stream of Milibollox since, no matter which way one zips and zaps to escape it. Now I’m imposing it on you lot – forgive me, but I need catharsis.

    We berate the Beeb for its bias, but there now seems to be little to pick and choose. It’s a wall-to-wall wireless wankfest. The MSM here is in the tank lock-stock-and-barrel for Marxism; Marzipan should be shit-canned for milking this non-event for twenty excruciating minutes of unjustified boring bio-bollocks. Who gives a shit? One down, one to go!

    My missus thinks Miliband D is positioning himself to join Hill’s team when she makes her bid for POTUS. She’s probably right. Correction – she’s always right! I’m sure Milimajor and Hillary must have met long ago at a Saul Alinski appreciation evening; or maybe at an annual get-together of the Antonio Gramsci Association.

    The only saving grace of the day was that when I watched my recording of Bill O’Reilly’s ‘The Factor’ a little later, Nigel Farage had a 15 second clip discussing the Cypriot stitch up in the context of the egregious EU conspiracy. And the Miliband mischief didn’t feature. Maybe there’s some hope for us in that juxtaposition, but I doubt it!

  70. I am aware of the fact that as I get older the more fractious and crankier I become.

    Of late as we dine at 6pm and listen through the door into the sitting room to the BBC 6pm evening news I find the language used, to be more specific; words or groups of words offend the ear.

    At least three or four times in the past week we have heard ‘Train Station’ in place of ‘Railway Station’.

    There are many other examples of sloppy talk creeping into use.

  71. Frank P@March 27th, 2013 – 16:14

    Get a TV with an off button…..

    I have given up on breakfast telly. just scan the headlines on the red button.

    Unless Susannah Reid is looking all sultry………..

  72. Noa, The Telegraph has been behind a paywall for some time. The only thing free has been the blogs. I hope they’re not going to put James Delingpole behind a paywall!

  73. If you haven’t read it already, don’t miss Sultan Knish on Nationalism and Internationalism. Monday 25th March. Powerful exposition.

  75. Noa — Oh, really? I didn’t know. I assumed it was universal. There’s been a paywall overseas for around a year! The blogs are the only area of the paper that is freely available. Everything else is sequestered behind a wall.

  76. David Ossitt 16.29.
    Here’s another one – why has the phrase ‘ahead of’ almost replaced the simple word ‘before’ on BBC radio news (probably telly too!)?

  77. Frank Sutton
    March 27th, 2013 – 18:32

    David Ossitt 16.29.
    Here’s another one – why has the phrase ‘ahead of’ almost replaced the simple word ‘before’ on BBC radio news (probably telly too!)?

    You are quite right Frank.

  78. Frank Sutton and Noa — the BBC has always been enamoured of America and they think American usage sounds “in” and “trendy”. I noticed this habit when I had returned to Britain (then scurried off again pronto). The BBC thinks anything to do with Americn usage is cool. They think “ahead of” sounds more urgent and “happening” than “before”.

  79. Frank Sutton and Noa — the BBC has always been enamoured of America and they think American usage sounds “in” and “trendy”. I noticed this habit when I had returned to Britain (then scurried off again pronto). The BBC thinks anything to do with Americn usage is cool. They think “ahead of” sounds more urgent and “happening” than “before”. They pretend to sneer at the US, but they want to be mistaken for Americans or feel trendy using American usage.

  80. Apropos American versus British usage, I think that after living long enough in North America, we former U.K. residents tend to adopt American usage quite unconsciously – and begin to feel uncomfortable with British usage. ‘Petrol’, for example, instead of ‘gas’ now sounds (to me) bizarre – as do ‘bonnet’ and ‘boot’.

    I don’t know about ‘pronto’ (just now used by Verity) but is that another example of an American word unconsciously adopted?

    Nothing to do with the foregoing, but no explanation that I’ve read of how it came about that Berezovsky died – or even how he died – sounds plausible.

    The whole affair reminds me of the similarly mysterious death of Dr David Kelly. I’ve begun to wonder whether he was actually involved as a go-between – on behalf of the Russians – in Russian plans to establish a naval base in Cyprus?

    I wonder what Wallpeople think?

  81. Herbert Thornton – I use American usage most of the time because the Mexicans who speak fluent English learned American usage, obviously, and of all the expats in the area, most are American or Canadian, so we all tend to use American usage as the lengua franca.

  82. Having just watched Newsnight, I do think that Mervyn King would make a better music commentator (on Eurovision?) than Paul Mason did as an economic commentator on the banking crisis in Cyprus.
    Mason kept telling us that we didn’t know what would be happening tomorrow when the banks open for the first time in over a week, but he did find that a cheese making factory has its money in the bank, so he is learning on the job.

    I don’t know how a Marxist musician journalist managed to get that job. Perhaps he whistled the right tune!

  84. Frank Sutton @- 15:43

    From the ‘Watts Up With That’ climate science website is an interesting article talking about the results from a newish satellite (ICEsat) that so far is showing that the amount of Antarctic ice is actually increasing.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/10/icesat-data-shows-mass-gains-of-the-antarctic-ice-sheet-exceed-losses/

    The comment you mention at the end of the uber narcissist Mann’s whinging is I think referring to yet another alarmist report on the Arctic which, when the data was re-examined showed virtually no ice loss (not found the link yet unfortunately).

  85. “…so we all tend to use American usage as the lingua franca…”

    Er, right oh, Verity. At least it’s not double dutch you’re all speaking amongst yourselves. 🙂

  86. Noa :30 – What’s wrong with my comment that it drew a response from you?

    BTW, we may be going to get rain here! It’s not due until the end of April, but it rally looks like rain!

  89. http://tabloidtrolls.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/the-hysteria-around-lucy-meadows.html

    It would help if the Press got things right once in a while. As Verity is so fond of opining, this was a man. No matter bits they cut off, pumped up, hollowed out or lasered away, he would always have been a man.

    He doesn’t have the chromosomes, his bone structure is wrong and, no doubt, there are a thousand other differences.

    I have no problem with people wanting to change their lifestyle but its time we started to hold fast to facts and the truth.

    A/ Genetically, you are what you are born as.

    B/ Only genetically-correct males and a females can procreate. You can twist and turn, adopt, invent new words and insist on misappropriating long-standing traditions, based upon common sense – but you still ain’t gonna change that simple fact.

  90. Clear Memories – Yes. You cannot change your DNA. If you were born with the male chromosome, sorry, Fluffy McDuffy or whatever name you adopt, you are still a man. This is one reason drag queens are so much fun! They play up being men kitted out in women’s ckithing and women’s mannerisms, and some of them are so witty, plus being cleverly disguised. In other words, they are not trying to “pass” as women. I used to know a drag queen … still do … and they are so clever at imitating – and exaggerating — female characteristics, but they never think they really are women. They revel in the dresses, the high heels, the feather boas, but they share a joke with the audience … they’re really men.

    Dream on, Peter Tatchell. There is absolutely no such thing as “transgender” no matter how many ops they pay for. (Or probably get free on the NHS in Britain. A completely pointless waste of money.

  91. Verity
    March 27th, 2013 – 13:32
    Then I must have been unfortunate in those Ockers and Kiwis that I have met who, with the exception of a couple of their womenfolk, have been objectionable in the extreme!

  92. Oh, the copper-bottomed, white-hating hypocrisy of the Main Stream Media. Can you imagine the headline-grabbing, leading news story if any white politician had said the inverse of this? It would have echoed around the liberal media gaining power and distortion with every lap for months to come. As it is, it rates an inside page on a right-leaning newspaper and not a mention on the BiasedBolloxCorp website.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2300114/Joseph-Mitchell-Alabama-lawmaker-emails-racist-rant-gun-rights-constituent-entire-state-legislature.html

    I did find this though. I wonder if she will spend the upcoming public holiday in prison and be threatened with losing her children, like Emma West?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2191075/Racist-rant-London-bus-Police-investigate-outburst-passenger-posted-YouTube.html

  94. An inquest into the death of Russian tycoon Boris Berezovsky has heard he was found lying on his bathroom floor with a “ligature around his neck”.
    =======================================
    I am not a detective, but this sounds very odd. On the BBC News I have just heard that traces of the ligature were found on the shower curtain rail. Must have been a very high, and very strong curtain rail!

  95. anne wotana kaye
    March 28th, 2013 – 10:03

    Perhaps Chris Evans could advise us on the potential weight-bearing durability of the shower rail? He must have contemplated such things during his own matrimonial/financial problems. One assumes it was tall enough for the short-arsed Boris to achieve voluntary suspension. Obviously the ligature was only just suitable, as according to the press reports, it snapped at some point, but not before it had done the trick – obviously.

    There seem to be a plethora of reasons why he would top himself – about £3b of them arising from direction of Stamford Bridge; plus an avaricious ex-spouse, whose affections diminished along with the moolah, no doubt. But equally there is one very powerful reason to suggest that he was suicided: the ire of another Boris.

    Then again, if he was a double agent, as is quite likely, the ire of his MI6 handlers have to be taken into account, given his proclivity for sensational publicity.

    At least they don’t have to work out on this occasion how a nekked spook can zip himself up in a locked hold-all. On the other hand, somebody has to figure how a supposed assailant can bolt a bathroom door from the inside when he leaves the scene of his dastardly deed. I’m sure the guy that kicked the door in has a few questions to answer. A body guard who allegedly was ‘worried that he had not seen him for some hours’? Hmmm.

    A dream case for the forensic chappies/chappesses, this one: много overtimeski!
    Pity the poor Coroner.

  96. Verity, et al. re Americanisms and the ‘lingua franca’ of Mehico; I thought I’d share this with you:

    The was a young man of Madras,
    Who had a magnificent ass;
    Not round and pink,
    As you probably think –
    It was gray, had long ears, and ate grass.

    🙂

  97. Frank P@March 28th, 2013 – 11:40

    Madras and ass rhyme, but grass rhymes with arse, surely 🙂

  98. “Mehico”

    An’ I thought it was “Mekkyco”…at least, that’s how Adam Faith pronounced it when he did his appalling cover of “La Bamba”!

  99. awk

    Further to BB mystery; if you read this article, which at some point mentions him, one wonders why the precautions included in his Central London gaff weren’t also installed in his Berkshire dacha. If theye were, btw. then it should be easy to trace all his movements and those of others. even if it was ‘an inside job’ the absence of such evidence should raise suspicions.

    The article will also make your heart bleed, because of what is happening to London real estate.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/society/2013/04/mysterious-residents-one-hyde-park-london

    The in-depth probe also indicates where the real power of London resides and the hypocrisy of the government’s whining about offshore tax evasion. You don’t have to wonder why such detailed reporting doesn’t appear in the UK MSM, do you?

  104. Frank 11-40
    Every one I knew had that limerick as
    There was a young girl from madras.
    No disrespect to any group but I prefer the image above.

  105. “no disrespect to any group” ??

    You’re lurking on the wrong blog then, old chap.

  108. Frank P 28th, – 12:37

    …”and those who can’t tell the difference between their ass and their elbough.”

    Or as Spike Milligan, in ‘Puckoon’, described a Captain of limited navigational ability who didn’t know Madras from Elba.

  110. Ostrich occasionally … It’s Mayhico.

    Frank P — Indians don’t have pink arses, silly!

  111. John Birch

    Don’t you start explaining your jokes, FFS. Alexsandr explaining mine is enough for one week’s pedantry, thank you.

  112. I could name people who think the sun shines out of their elbow – many of them in Westminster.

  113. The man, who had attempted to murder both of his parents and his disabled nephew by intentionally driving into a canal but failed, and so a month later resorted to shooting and killing both parents with a sawn off shotgun, his nephew unbeknown to him was attending day care and so survived has been sentenced.

    He has been given a minimum of forty years in prison; he will be 86 years of age before eligible for parole, better that he be hung by the neck until dead methinks.

  114. David Ossitt 28th, – 16:02

    “better that he be hung by the neck until dead methinks”

    Maybe Arnim Meiwes can offer an acceptable solution?

  115. Frank P
    March 28th, 2013 – 12:02
    Frank, with such neighbours, I am better off living amongst normal everyday chavs. ‘Lady’ Shirley Porter has an apartment there – Fah!

  116. David Ossitt
    March 28th, 2013 – 16:02
    Hi, David.
    I’m surprised his lawyer didn’t suggest that he plead for mercy on the grounds of being an orphan.

  117. in my northern accent, “ass” and “grass” rhyme perfectly! Only a Londoner would perpertrate “grass” to sound like “grarse”.

    I see that Oscar Pistorius has been given the green light to travel abroad, doing athletics and whatever else he does. Only facing a murder charge, of course. What kind of laws do they have in SA? He wouldn’t get away with that in the UK.

  119. Lesley C

    “in my northern accent, “ass” and “grass” rhyme perfectly! Only a Londoner would perpertrate “grass” to sound like “grarse”.

    Quite so! As in the US of A, where in some parts ay-is and gray-is are phonetically matched. In fact is the hinterlands, the latter is often used to wipe the former, I believe.

  121. David Ossit 16:02 – Personally, I favour guns. In Utah, murderers get an option of lethal injection or firing squad. That’s for those who want to go out with a bang.

  122. Verity

    What about Red Indians? Perhaps some of their parts were a lighter shade of red?

  123. Anyway, who said he was Indian? You’re not Mexican are you? And I wouldn’t be indelicate enough to enquire as to the hue of your – er – beast of burden.

  124. Lesley – pronounce might be better? You had me looking your previous verb up, just in case.

  125. Frank P – You write: What about Red Indians? How the hell would I know? I’m not American or Canadian. But here, around 18,000 or 20,000 expats live among the indigenes of my state, and my area. An Indian from Madras would almost certainly be a Hindu, not a scuzzie muzzie.

  126. Actually, the expats live all over the place. In Mexico all together, there are over two million of us.

  127. I don’t know if truth is stranger than fiction, but the recent case of the cruel man who killed his parents is very strange. I am foolish enough to be a fan of “Doctors” an afternoon soap on BBC TV1. After all my years in the field, I know it is absolute rubbish, but I am hooked. Anyway, the main story lines always iunvolve doctors, nurses, even receptionists involving themselves helping patients, over and above their medical needs. Often this happens at great personal risk of danger or even death, but the medics plod on. This brings me back to the cad who commited both patricide and matricide. Seems the father realised after the failed drowning escapade that his son planned to murder him and his wife. He went to his GP and told him, but the very next day the son killed the parents. In “Doctors” the medic would have dashed around to the house and faced the murderous son, and at the eleventh hour the police would have arrived. In true life, we know nothing. Did the GP investigate or report to the police, or did he think the father was paranoid and starting to develop senile dementia? I would truly like to know.

  128. AWK – A horrifying post, but a vivid illustration of the deconstruction of our society and our identity.

    I have just read an outstanding blog by Sultan Knish — he’s on the blogroll, to the right – on the deconstruction of marriage and he writes about what the end game is. It is a shiver-inducing look into a bottomless, roiling pit, where nothing means anything. This is one shiver-inducing blog post and all the more horrifying because we are already in the middle of it and we are moving towards the end-game.

  129. Verity
    March 28th, 2013 – 22:23
    Thanks, Verity
    I will read it tomorrow since I find it hard enough to sleep, so don’t need to be even more moserable! Seems like we are living in a drama by Samuel Beckett.

  130. Frank P
    March 28th, 2013 – 18:54

    “Lesley – pronounce might be better? You had me looking your previous verb up, just in case.”

    Frank, you are absolutely correct. I had a feeling that the word I used wasn’t quite right! Must do better.

  131. Verity, (28 March 22:33)

    The deconstruction of marriage is even more destructive because it necessarily includes also the deconstruction of the family.

    The only thing that gives me some comfort is that the Chinese civilisation seems (so far) to be adhering very firmly indeed to maintaining the integrity of their immensely strong family system.

    Mao Tse Tung aimed to deconstruct it but it survived even his efforts. I think that it was the strength of the Chinese family system that in effect put a stop to his urge to destroy civilisation’s underpinnings. For which we should give thanks.

  132. I’ve been away, doing a bit of actual work, for many weeks but have visited every day to share the sanity, goodness and humour posted here every day. Thank you everyone, especially Peter for maintaining this bolt hole.

    And as it’s Good Friday and perhaps we sense a certain contemplative melancholia about us, here are two items of sheer beauty. Another form of meat and drink to the Irishboy.

    Palestrina’s great setting of the devastating poem Stabat Mater
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8-IrXDAm8I

    And Robert White’s setting of Christe qui lux es et die
    White was organist of Westminster Abbey at the same time as Thomas Tallis and William Byrd were Gentlemen Extraordinary of the new Queen’s Chapel Royal, but suffers not by comparison.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45SfxG6AokE

  133. Did I hear this right?
    On Radio 4 news just now, they reported that a strike by journalists had curtailed Beeb news coverage (of dear, what a shame!) but the hacks would return to their duties if Nelson Mandela’s condition worsened.
    No disrespect to NM, but – is this some perverse form of reverse censorship?

  134. If y’awl haven’t been, I beg you to go to Sultan Knish (blogroll on the right). His post on gay “marriage” is absolute aces. And this gay”marriage”, being promulgated by the very honest and non-muzzie Obama and, coincentally(!) by British PM Davy Duh at the same time is all about — in the cause of “fairness”, you understand, doing away with the bedrock of humanity: stable marriage and children with two parents.

    Do go thence. You won’t stop reading until you’ve finished it. Guarantee.

    In case you’re too lazy to go to the Blogroll, here is the link:
    http://sultanknish.blogspot.mx/

    It is outstanding … possibly his best ever.

  135. Verity
    March 29th, 2013 – 02:16
    Excellent. Well written and unfortunately, very prophetic!

  136. Frank Sutton @ – 00:42

    I’m told that the BBC have already consulted North Korean TV on how to convey the requisite level of grief when Mr M dies. I also believe that Barbara Plett will ‘deliver’ additional training based on her tearful performance in reporting Ya$$er Arafat’s departure from his terrorist kleptocracy in 2004

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4471494.stm#

    I myself have decided, in tribute to his possible impending death, to submit all posts in black text on a white background symbolising the unity of Zuma’s peaceful RSA (apart from the stratospheric murder rate, particularly that of white farmers)

  137. Yes, AWK and thanks for mentioning it. Please, anyone who did not go to the Sultan Knish thread I posted yesterday, go. He has summed up the deconstruction of Western civilisation, especially advanced in N northern Europe, with chilling precision. Please go and read it because also has an acute understanding of what their agenda is.

    Sultan Knish says it is a planned, organised deconstruciton of Western civilisation. Please go to this chilling post. AWK, just above this post, deemed it “Excellent”. You will have a clearer idea of what’s underway, and what we think of as “pointless” or “silly” and doesn’t make sense, will suddenly make sense.

    To save you the trouble of going to the blogroll, I am posting the link again.
    http://sultanknish.blogspot.mx/ You will note, just above, that AWK deemed it “prophetic”.

  138. I think the Sultan’s address carries the abbreviation of whatever country you are in when you forward it. The one on the blogroll ends in “au” for Australia. I’ve seen others, inlcuding, this morning “mx” for Mexico when I posted it. Anyway, please go there, I have never read a piece of such clarity of the state we are in.

  139. Verity,

    That is an excellent article. he puts what I’ve always said, but far more eloquently. If marriage is not 1 man 1 woman, it is nothing because there are a ridiculous number of permutations once we factor in the de facto recognition of the 1 man 4 woman formulation because we surely could not discriminate. We will see the inevitable emergence of ‘rights’ allowing 1 man X 2 women & 2 men, or why not 2 men X 1 woman?

    One of the ways in which homosexuals are often lauded is their apparent superiority in the creative fields and it is a question I’ve often asked online (usually removed if on a BBC site) that if that is the case why can’t the activist lobby create their own new institution?

    Leftist progressives have spent years denigrating marriage and yet it has remained stubbornly, extremely popular. Knish points out the result – destroy it from within.

  140. Hexhamgeezer
    March 29th, 2013 – 13:25

    I believe Polly Toynbee is hoping to wangle a VIP place at any funeral, so that she can throw herself onto the coffin of the patient icon of the guardianistas as it is lowered to rest.

  141. Frank Sutton.

    “No disrespect to NM, but – is this some perverse form of reverse censorship?”

    The media but in particular the Marxist BBC treat this old man as though he were a cross between Mohandas Karamchand (Mahatma) Gandhi, Anjezë Gonxhe (Mother Teresa) Bojaxhiu, and Martin Luther King, instead of the good kind frail old man that he undoubtedly is.

  142. This article can be found in “The Times” or “The Sunday Times” online, and other newspapers. Heard it briefly on Radio 4 News, but BBC website draws a blank. I suppose the douche bag Orna Guerin is disappointed she cannot blame Israel.

    Three British women taking part in an aid convoy have been kidnapped and raped by militiamen in Libya, officials said today.

    The victims are in “very bad shape”, according to Awad al-Barassi, the Libyan deputy prime minister, who visited the women in a Benghazi hospital. Two are sisters and their father witnessed the rape, he said.

    The victims, who are of Pakistani origin, were travelling with two men on a convoy bound for Gaza to break an Israeli blockade.

    They were kidnapped on Tuesday on their way to Benghazi airport after deciding to return to Britain.

    The ten-vehicle overland convoy

  143. Re Sultan Knish – an incisive analysis of the gender agenda.

    As I asked (possibly here on CHW) as the “gay marriage” question was raging, “Once you remove the condition that marriage is the union of a man and a woman, what is left that makes marriage so appealing to (a few) homosexuals?”

  144. And what an absolutely stunning coincidence that Davey Dim and non-muzzie Barak Hussain Obama both started their campaign for gay “marriage” at the same time! Whoaaah! Coincidence, eh?

    Frank Sutton, I don’t know that any gays have been advocating gay “marriage” except those who make their living out of being gay rights advocates. They have their civil partnerships rights and that gives them everything the vast majority of them wanted in terms of legal issues. They can visit their partner in hospital when the doctor’s order is “family only”. They can be the presumed inheritor in the case of the deceased partner not having left a will. Etc. That’s all most of them ever wanted.

    Davey Dim got it wrong yet again. That’s because he doesn’t relate to ordinary people. Plus, he’s a creep.

  145. I forgot to add, in my post recommending today’s Sultan Knish, that the comments at the end of the piece are excellent.

  146. AWK @ 15.48
    C4 covered this quite extensively tonight (it might be on 4oD if you’re interested).
    The Deputy Libyan PM described the men as ‘filth’ although they are allegedly part of a pro-Government militia. It seems like it was a particularly brutal act done, as it was, in front of their father.
    As a minor point I am always interested in these cases when they talk of the victims being of ‘Pakistani’ or whatever else origin because it begs the question as to what passport these people were travelling on. We accept dual nationality and often people get caught up in trouble while travelling as their alternative nationality but, as if by magic, their ‘Britishness’ comes to the fore when help is required.

  148. Hexhamgeezer
    March 29th, 2013 – 20:11
    I am pretty certain that these Pakistanis have British nationality, British passports, and all benefits and at the same time are anti-British, fanatical muslims. I am even more certain that their ‘humanitarian’ planned trip to Gaza was to agitate a volatile situation and to assist terrorists. Egyptian border control refused them permission to enter Egypt, and I can understand why. Of course it was ‘a particularly brutal act ‘ but from such people what can one expect? Personally, I couldn’t give a damn!

  149. A headline in today’s Mail … “Japanese man charged with ‘poisoning woman’s shoe’ … Wha’? Did the woman eat shoes? If she did, couldn’t he have just divorced her? What a heel!

  150. Verity
    March 29th, 2013 – 23:48

    Perhaps she had round heels and behaved like a toe rag!

  152. AWK – Perhaps she just wasn’t his sole-mate. He should have abjured poison and used a stiletto.

  154. awk 00:27

    Time for Farage to embrace the Christian cause? Perhaps the Anglican Church could switch its allegiance and become the UKIP at prayer (rather than the Tory Party at prayer as it was once labelled). Maybe the Methodists might swing away from the Labour party too, which has also apparently abandoned its erstwhile Judeo-Christian links in favour of secularism and Marxism.

  155. Agrerd, Frank P. Farage is the man! And David Cameron is our best ally! Every time he opens his mouth, or there is a photo of his flaccid, character-free face in the papers or on TV, he wins a few more votes for UKIP. It has been many years of grinding labour for little reward, but it is paying off now for Nigel, who has stolidly stuck by his guns and never softened his message. Nick Clegg’s already a has-been. So is Camoron, really.

  156. Frank P
    March 30th, 2013 – 01:12
    Frank, as I am not a Christian I think it would be improper of me to say how the Church is run. I sent off that link as I hoped it would encourage postings, which have been a litle slow today. I do, however, agree with you entirely, and Carey is such a fine man that Farage could only do well to follow his message.

  157. Verity, I’m off to bed now. Just wanted to give you a silly footnote: Mary Jane has paired with a Correspondent. Goodnight!

  158. I am responding to the following exchange with Frank P from last week’s Wall and in a subsequent post I hope to briefly state my position on foreskins for the benefit of Alexandr and Herbert Thornton:
    _____________________________________________________________________
    March 23rd, 2013 – 23:25

    I am pushed for time,so briefly:

    Alexandr and Herbert Thornton
    I have just one word: adenoids

    Robert C
    Apologies, I was distracted by foreskins and from whence. I especially liked “Meanwhile, parts of white working-class Britain have been left feeling neither valued nor useful, believing that they have been displaced by newcomers not only in the job market but also in the national story itself”.

    Frank P and Peter from Maidstone
    And yet despite his ‘cut the crap’ position on Iraq and acting in a timely manner to oppose the threat of tyranny, Frank P wasn’t prepared (assuming health permitting) to drive 30 minutes to find out if Tommy Robinson was a fit leader of the English Defence League because years before the EDL was founded Robinson had punched a plainclothes cop who intervened in a an argument with his wife and pn the anniversary of 9/11 last year had visited New York for a day to speak to a counter-Jihad group on a friend’s passport…

    Frank P
    March 24th, 2013 – 00:26

    Malfleur,
    Your infatuation with Paul Harris is touching, but why do you insist on trying to seduce me into a menage a trois?
    Football hooliganism diverted a great deal of police time and resources away from serious crime fighting in the late 70s and 80s. Gangs looking for a rumble on the terraces or for confrontation with the police on the streets just for the sheer hell of it are a menace. I’m not in the least convinced by the patina of ‘politics’ that some of these yobs have adopted, as police have cracked down on the football gangs. Same old shit. Hooliganism is what it is. If you consider that to be the spearhead of resistance to jihad, good luck with that!
    _____________________________________________________________________

    Frank P’s use of “infatuated” rather than “preoccupation” or “concern” and the overall sexual innuendo of his first paragraph is one of his “silly billy” moments. Is Frank P “infatuated” by Mr. Alexander Boot because of his frequent references to his writing? I think not; and it would be silly of me to suggest it, even to score a point. Why the “menage à trois”? I have clearly said why I thought Frank P should have made an effort to visit Mr. Robinson in a nearby prison. We do not know whether Tommy Robinson is a football hooligan, an MI5 agent, a serial cocaine sniffer, a Zionist, an informer, a freedom fighter, racist and all-round bad egg, businessman,patriot or yob. Frank P could have helped assess these possibilities. He chose not to. He chose not to as far as I can see because of his preconceptions of the kind of man Mr. Robinson is, some of them, as we see, going back to the 1970s and 1980s and his experience of fighting crime, and which he therefore thought called for no further investigation.

    The second paragraph of Frank P’s post is more serious. Frank P appears to have been gulled by, or at least to have left unquestioned, propaganda of United Against Fascism, whose membership runs the gamut from Mr. David Cameron to the Socialist Workers Party. As the UAF website states “THE EDL IS VIOLENT. Its core supporters are members of football hooligan firms who have joined forces to form a racist street army”.

    Why do I say that?

    Two weeks ago, I posted a link to the study of the English Defence League by Chatham House. This “Briefing Paper” is tendentiously entitled “The Roots of Extremism: The English Defence League and the Counter-Jihad Challenge” and Chatham House can scarcely be seen as the EDL’s friend. Frank P however does not seem to have thought it necessary to read this paper. If he read it, he does not seem to have absorbed it. Frank P’s uninformed prejudice is that the membership of the EDL is composed of football hooligans which have opportunistically adopted a “patina of ‘politics’ “. This is irresponsible.

    I am not going to quote chapter and verse of the Chatham House analysis of the membership of the EDL which throroughly refutes Frank P’s view. I will say though that if you can’t be buggered to read the Briefing Paper, you can listen to a short audio summary of “the findings of the paper and their policy implications” by its author, Matthew Goodwin at:

    http://www.chathamhouse.org/publications/papers/view/189767

    We can fool around on this Wall, that is one of its attractions; but when we are discussing serious matters we should bloody well do our homework first, or what are we?

  159. The references to the Sultan Knish comments about the aim behind the deconstruction of marriage rings a very frightening bell indeed.

    The bell is the Obituary of Ieng Sary in the Weekly Telegraph. It describes the aims of the Khmer Rouge –

    “They aimed to transform the country into a pure socialist society. To this end they abolished money, private property, religion and traditional culture.”

    Their methods of achieving it included the mass extermination of millions of their own people – the atrocities that we call ‘the killing fields’.

    Compare their aims with the aim behind the “deconstruction of marriage” that Sultan Knish describes. All aim at the destruction of civilisation.

    Much of the present publicity concerns the deconstruction of marriage – but what of Christian religion, traditional culture, and the right to own property including money? Do our rulers and our Establishment aim to preserve them or do they aim to deconstruct them too?

    Do the smirking dictators in charge of the EU (not to mention our own arrogant politicians and Establishment) despise and detest their own fellow countrymen just as Pol Pot and his co-conspirators despised and hated theirs?

    I believe that the answers to both those questions are terrifying. The desire to “rub our noses in it” sounded offensive enough, but I think it was an omen of something far, far worse.

  160. Herbert Thornton

    I agree.

    On the economic front, here is a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury of the United States in the Reagan administration calling for “whatever level of violence is necessary” by the Cypriot people to save democracy from destruction by the European Union – and giving his reasons.

    http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2013/3/24_Dr._Paul_Craig_Roberts_files/Dr.%20Paul%20Craig%20Roberts%203%3A24%3A2013.mp3

  161. The Spectator (a formerly conservative magazine) wields a Rod for the backs of the anti-Borisites:

    “… [Mair] ‘So, in 1961, with several others, you founded a vicious terrorist movement, Spear of the Nation, carried out bombing after bombing and pledged that if these tactics failed you would resort to guerrilla warfare and terrorism…’

    Mandela looks askance: ‘Excuse me, I thought this was that programme where you choose records and a book…’…

    Mair shakes his head, face wreathed in disgust. ‘Pretty nasty piece of work, aren’t you?’ …”

  162. Herbert Thornton and Alexandr

    Ok: foreskins and clitorides, position on removal of, Malfleur’s:

    I agree with Verity that the major distinction which clearly exists between the two operations is that the clitoris is the fundamental source of women’s sexual pleasure (and that of female ostriches apparently), whereas without underestimating the 80 years of sexual pleasure, so far, which his has given to Mr. Thornton, the foreskin is a tertiary erotic site, below that (I would estimate) of the male ear lobe.

    To circumcise the foreskin can bear no comparison with the excision of the clitoris which permanently robs a woman of the opportunity for orgasm, or just in case sensitive earlobes are involved, the opportunity for primary orgasm. I am willing to stand corrected on the point.

    The question of consent is therefore a major factor where a clitoridectomy is proposed, but of secondary importance where circumcision is the issue. I do not think there could exist any circumstance except when health is an issue where a clitoridectomy should be permissible without first obtaining the informed consent of the woman involved; hence clitoridectomy of infants should be banned. The removal of the foreskin on the other hand, for the medical benefits of which there is some evidence, raises moral questions on perhaps more or less the level of the routine removal of a child’s adenoids for which the child’s prior consent is not required.

    In the Philippines, and no doubt in other countries, circumcision is usually performed when the child is fifteen or sixteen and is more or less able to weigh up the consequences of the operation. Curiously, but perhaps because of peer pressure and a sense that the operation signals in some sort a coming of age, it seems unusual for the teenager to refuse and more normal for a degree of enthusiastic anticipation to be expressed. Whether for infant male or young man, anesthetic has now largely removed the infliction of pain from the moral equation.

    The question of whether circumcision or clitoridectomy is barbaric or ritualistic seem beside the point and even to beg the question. Clearly religious significance should be taken into account. Some might argue that, in respect of certain religions, it is the modern pagan who is the more “barbaric”. My own view however is that no religious tradition would override the force of the argument that only the woman herself should decide whether to undergo a clitoridectomy, because the decision affects her very being as a woman. She should be able to decide the question free of pressure from others. I am told that in any event, where islam is concerned, there is no reference to clitoridectomy in the Koran.

    I am not aware of large numbers of men regretting the loss of erotic pleasure as a result of an earlier circumcision and I am therefore inclined to minimise such loss as a factor in an argument against a religious tradition which calls for it for infants.

  163. Malfl @ 6.35.

    I agree that there can be no comparison between the effects of cliterodectomy and circumsion but there are a lot of men who would rather they hadn’t been ‘done’

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/health-they-took-my-foreskin-and-i-want-it-back-some-men-feel-their-circumcision-at-birth-was-an-assault-now-they-can-be-uncircumcised-without-surgery-writes-cherrill-hicks-1458890.html

    It seems to be common in America and much less here (the UK).

  164. The clocks go forward tonight. BST. This means, in theory, that the mornings will be a little darker. Considering the weather we are having, and the gloom we face each dawn, perhaps we will be consoled with the Northern Lights.

  165. Malfleur

    Heh, heh, heh …. glad you got that out of your system; is the catharsis now complete? Perhaps you will now stop sniping away (as a device for your EDL propaganda). If not, well … snipe away to yourself, as I shall not bother to take the bait again. The fact that your are also an advocate of Chatham House crap is just another indication of your gullibility, imho. You should know by now what I think about think-tanks in all their various guises. Parasites all.

    My final comment on the ‘EDL’ is a repeat of an assertion I made some time ago; if the salvation of England is dependant on a party led by the multi-monikered Mr. (whatever he chooses to call himself on whichever passport he happens to be using, for whatever purpose), then we are even more cattle-trucked as a country than I already feared. And that opinion is based on the experiences of the real world, rather than the virtual one we have created through the medium by which I am posting this response.

    As for my little quips designed to ward off your persistent attempts to commission my investigative services; perhaps I should have been more direct and said, “Fuck off, Malfleur! Do your own ‘homework’!” But I decided instead to attempt whimsy, in accordance with my customary m.o. and the prevailing banter of he band of piss-takers hereupon. If I hit a raw nerve (which obviously I did), then I’m sorry you misinterpreted my intent.

    The last sentence of your post contains a question that in general terms I would not even attempt to answer. The first person plural pronoun encompasses far too many unknowns – and even the knowns (if indeed there are any) involved would defy a collective definition. As for the second person singular: politeness prevents me from opining further than I already have in my ripostes to your carping. To be brutally honest, even the first person singular is not only beyond definition to himself – never mind others – but is also certainly beyond salvation and unlikely to formally espouse any of the current bunch of politicians currently vying for the votes of the bruised and battered electorate of England.

    Farage makes all the right noises and so far hasn’t employed a bogey passport to travel, so I shall keep on eye on his progress, hoping that he manages to make a real challenge when the General Election arrives. He needs to get rid of that hat, though.

  166. anne wotana kaye

    Anne why have you switched to lower case and removed the final 1?

  167. David Ossitt
    March 30th, 2013 – 14:57
    Hi David,
    You are very observant. It happened a long while ago, when for some reason I was denied entry into one of these magical kingdoms. I believe it goes back to the time when I posted to ‘the other place’ and they were getting nasty and moderated whatever I wrote. By the way, are you Oxford or Cambridge? Don’t envy the crews in this chilly weather.

  168. On numerous occasions; I like quite a few here, have had occasion to complain about Question Time, the sad excuse for a chairman David Dimbleby is anything but impartial, in fact in my eyes, he is quite brazen with his partiality to all things left wing and the audience is now always predominately socialist.

    Up until a couple of years ago Jonathan Dimbleby’s Any Questions though having a bias to the left this was much more subtle.

    However over the past six months things have changed dramatically, not so much with the chairman Jonathan Dimbleby though he is far from impartial but with the make-up and behaviour of the audience, at times parts of the audience sound like a rabble.

    I listened to the repeat of yesterdays Any Questions in my shed, whilst I finished a small project that she who must be obeyed had commissioned, admittedly Dimbleby was not in the chair but that does not explain why; what sounded to be a very large number of the spectators were all acting in unison by clapping too loudly, shouting, whooping and roaring their approval each and every time a socialist point was made or when any panel member made light of or pored scorn on a Tory opinion.

    It spoilt the program; the acting chairman Ritula Shah did nothing to control this rabble, who reminded me of nothing more than those Clacks of old who were paid to disrupt theatrical performances of competitors.

  169. Anne I remember you having to add the ‘1’ at the old place, if I remember rightly you were posting with a new computer and so had to slightly change your moniker hence the adding the ‘1’ but I thought that you had posted here as Anne Wotana Kay 1, or have I imagined it?

    Cambridge every time.

  170. David Ossitt
    March 30th, 2013 – 15:46
    Too much water under the bridge. I don’t think I used the ‘1’ here, but maybe you are right. Still onto wartery matters, I was always Cambridge until I read “Brideshead Revisited”. Heard “Any Questions” over a late lunch, and it spoilt my appetite (untrue, it was a good meal)! It was really vile, full of paid-up subscribers of the marxist brigade.

  171. David Ossitt 30th, – 15:38

    “the sad excuse for a chairman David Dimbleby”

    This morning I received from the Royal Mail an advance notice of the publication of their next set of stamps, entitled “Great Britons”. It is a set of six, so they must needs have been very selective. Clearly, though, not selective enough, because it includes that unctuous lump of lard Richard Dimbleby, whose great disservice to this nation has been siring…well, anything at all, really.

  172. From the DT website: “Christians gather to celebrate the crucifixion of Jesus on Good Friday.”

    Hmm – something not quite right about that!

  173. The little girls or around 10 or 12 who suffer a clitoridectomy suffer it because her family has made a financial arrangement with the parents of a son that she will be delivered for marriage (usually money involved) a virgin. She will never be tempted to stray, or get pregnant before marriage, because she has no sexual organ that produces arousal. She thus becomes a vessel and a breeder for her husband. Those creeps like bin Laden et al who have several wives have several vessels for his sexual activities. That is all.

    When Nigel is PM, I believe he will have the parents and these slicers arrested. They are usually old women in the neighbourhood with a knife or a pair of scissors and the parents of all hte little girls in the neighbourhood get her in. I am not sure if it is supposed to be before their first period, or at the advent of their first period, but anyway, their sexual sensations are over before they began.

  174. Malfleur –

    W.r.t. the circumcision discussion, your arguments defending it are ingenious, but not persuasive – and especially so when you refer to earlobes. That sounds as though you are citing the Hollywood example of the Farengi in Star Trek as some sort of proof.

    You also include what seems to me to be an entirely unnecessary reference to my sex life. Since you have done that it seems equally fair for me to say that you appear to be obliquely telling us that you are yourself circumcised – which in turn indicates that your personal experience knowledge of being uncircumcised is non-existent.

    Most disappointing of all however, your arguments ignore the fundamental objection to the circumcision of helpless baby boys – which is that it is performed without the victims’ consent.

    Your arguments are lengthy and even elegantly expressed, but I think they they are the parallel of a House of Cards.

  175. Hello Anne you last posted using capitals at the start of each word and also using the’1’ on the 11th/16th Wall on the 17th at19:04 but then on the 18th at 06:12 you dropped the ‘1’ and your first posting using all lower case was on March 20th 20:36.

    Not that it matters.

  176. David Ossitt
    March 30th, 2013 – 16:52
    Not guilty! It’s written in the box marked Name (required) above Email and Website. But it’s still me 😉

  177. I wrote a post in reponse to Malfleur’s post above, and it has not gone up. What happened?

  181. I note the massive expectations being (mis) placed on UKIP here as elsewhere.

    But does anyone posting here seriously think that, even if UKIP gets 40 seats and hold the balance of power in the next UK government it can achieve even 30% of the expectations placed upon it?

    Speaking personally I would be content for one promise being achieved: that would be EU exit being a pre-condition of supporting a new Coalition. That alone would take all the energies of the next Parliament to organise and implement.

    But, having regained sovereignty, much of the rest would follow as inevitably as water flows following the unblocking of a dam.

    And I speak as a flat cap wearing UKIP supporter.

  182. Noa (20:17)

    Agree. But he needs encouragement, doesn’t he? Hope springs eternal. Best I’m hoping for is that it gees the conservatives in the conservative party to insist on popular policies he espouses; a vain hope perhaps, given that the party has the LibDems riding on their shoulders with their fat little legs around their throats.

  183. Noa

    “Flat-cap wearing supporter”. 🙂 C’mon – Nige’s titfer is a bit OTT isn’t it? Tell him to save it for the Royal Enclosure at Ascot when he makes it to No. 10.

  184. Frank P -21.01.

    Sadly, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of conservatism in the Conservative party, even in its most threatened MPs’. They continue to trip over each other in their Loakes shod race to be the first off the cliff in 2015.

    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3100/is_this_conservatism

    God help us all, but those demographically challenged ‘fruitcakes, closet racists and loonies’ continue to represent Britain’s last best hope in challenging the Left’s stranglehold on what remains of our culture and values, indeed our very soul.

    So, for want of something better Hat tip to the flight of the Phoenix Nigel Farage.

  185. I’ve been out canvassing for the local elections today, on a cold but sunny afternoon.

    It was interesting, at least it was to me, that of the 40 households i spoke to, 23 said ther weren’t interested in supporting UKIP, 3 said they would seriously consider doing so and 14 said they would be voting for UKIP.

    I may be in serious danger of getting elected.

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://generalelection.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/nigel-farage-cat-in-the-hat.png&imgrefurl=http://generalelection.wordpress.com/&h=606&w=1061&sz=1038&tbnid=gtwPSywTTMrsTM:&tbnh=69&tbnw=121&zoom=1&usg=__HbyvbR_0_RNDUR5WJnCvx3v1RDQ=&docid=fSniEzFrba7C_M&sa=X&ei=F1lXUb-jIIrYPLmAgcAG&ved=0CHUQ9QEwCg&dur=384
    ;

  192. Malfleur (30 March 22:22)

    First it was Adenoids, now it’s A Cavalier. What are you getting at? Are you making some sort of claim?

  193. Herbert Thornton, 23:18.
    But wasn’t your discussion with MF to do with cavaliers and roundheads? I’m a cavalier meself, but quite few class mates at my primary school back in the ’50s were roundheads – clearly not for religious reasons, since it was an RC school.

  194. Noa @ 20:17

    Projections for UKIP’s share of seats following the next general election rest on the assumption that life is going to trundle on in the same old way that we have been accustomed to since the end of WW2. My view is that the world political economy is shortly going to undergo upheavals that will create a new heaven and a new earth – and not necessarily very pleasant one.

    Yes, I am a doom monger.

    With regard to the U.S. economy for example, Christopher Martenson projects a 60% collapse in the next three months and Robert Wiedemer foresees 50% unemployment, a 90% stock market crash and 100% inflation.

    Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst should be UKIP’s maxim. Who can say who will be raised and who thrown down?

    Incidentally, while preparing a recent post, I had occasion to visit the English Defence League site. It carries an analysis of what is meant by “the far right” which some might consider long overdue in the country’s political discourse. It is a label stuck on too often at random. Similarly, Chatham House in its briefing paper on the EDL uses “extremism” as a given without defining the term. The EDL piece is well-written and by someone, one would guess, other than Tommy Robinson or Kevin Carroll. It sets the EDL apart from the far right as follows:

    “The reason we should be worried about the far right is because their love of freedom can, at times, make them difficult to detect. They might, for example, claim, as we do, that our freedoms are under attack. But rather than stand up for liberal democracy and for the rights and freedoms of all, they advocate violence or try to suppress views that they don’t agree with. These are tactics they share with the far left, even if their motives are completely different.”

    http://englishdefenceleague.org/edl-news-2/1868-who-are-the-far-right-and-should-we-be-worried-about-them

    That statement by the way is the key to understanding why a group like Unite Against Fascism can coalesce from groups as mutually unsympathetic as the Conservative Party and the Socialist Workers Party.

    The distinction drawn by the EDL is one which should be learned by supporters of UKIP as the thrown muck comes in faster as its star rises and UKIP supporters are placed in the position of having to rebut charges of being fascists in blazers.

  196. Completely confused! I keep trying to post and am told I have “Duplicate”.So if this gets through, good night children everywhere,

  198. Frank Sutton (30 March, 23:30) –

    But of course – now the penny’s dropped. We didn’t use those expressions at my school, & I heard them for the first time during my articles – from a fellow articled clerk who’d been to a different one.

    Now I find it even more difficult to understand Malfleur’s apparant nonchalance about the practice.

    Incidentally, I’ve read that that the Ancient Greeks used to regard the non-cavalier condition to be a disqualifier from the Olympic games because they considered it to be obscene.

  199. Another report on the English Defence League mentioned and linked in this 30th March article at:

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/03/keeping-a-close-eye-on-the-right-wing-part-2/

    From the introduction to the article:

    ” …the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation and Political Violence (ICSR) held a conference in London on March 13 to study the “New Far Right” in Europe, with a special focus on the English Defence League. Paul Weston has described the event as preparation of the virtual battlefield in advance of a takedown of the EDL by Prime Minister David Cameron and the British government.

    Based on the conference report, “A Neo-Nationalist Network: The English Defence League and Europe’s Counter-Jihad Movement”, the EDL was indeed the major focus of the ICSR event. But was the conference convened to launch the report? Or was the report commissioned in advance to help justify a predetermined conclusion, namely that the EDL needs to be banned?

    In either case, the paper fails to provide meaningful documentation of any dangerous tendencies in the English Defence League and its allies. The authors seem to be of two minds, analyzing the EDL using loaded terms, yet providing a great deal of material that is intended to be positive. The result of their efforts is a schizophrenic document…

    …If Hope not Hate, under the umbrella of ICSR, has come around to a more sensible view of Tommy Robinson and the English Defence League, then more power to them! Despite the report’s reflexive scowl at the EDL and all it represents, the actual data presented reflect quite positively on Tommy Robinson, Kevin Carroll, and the European Counterjihad.

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    Now let’s get down to the report itself,…”

    Read on!

  200. I visited this beastie in 1990 – my friend, the poster, lives just up the road.

    I challenge you not to shed a small tear when the first Merlin catches and roars. The true sound of freedom.

    http://vimeo.com/15498493

  201. Wishing a peaceful and a very happy Easter to one and all.

    But not to the Vicar who has opened his church to the overflow of Muslims from the mosque down the road.

  202. Clear Memories (12:38)

    Thanks for that experience; thanks to your friend also for making it possible and deepest gratitude for all the brave souls that manned those marvellous machines, particularly those that went down with them in the attempt to maintain our freedoms. Wonder what they would think now if they were able to survey the current European scene and its geopolitical structures?

  203. Good news.

    If you are lazy non-white yank living in a public housing project suffering from raci$m (and aren’t they all?) you no longer have to move off your fat arse to report discrminination. There’s now an App for your i-phone or i-Wotsit so you can fill your face on the sofa AND stick one on whitey at-the-same-time.

    See via this link (and, btw, it isn’t April 1st yet.

    http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/press/press_releases_media_advisories/2013/HUDNo.13-031

    Maybe they can use their ‘Obama Phones’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr201FqTP4w

  204. Noah – 20:17 yesterday – “But does anyone posting here seriously think that, even if UKIP gets 40 seats and hold the balance of power in the next UK government it can achieve even 30% of the expectations placed upon it?”

    Yes. That pushing over of chairs and huffing and pufflinig of scrambing you would hear would be the pushing, shoving and jockeying of Lab-Con MPs jockeying for places on board the bandwagon. Politicians, as we are well aware, are self-serving above all else, and the pushing, shoving and shouted insults you would hear would be non-UKIP MPs scrambling each other out of the way to get on board the band wagon and the dull thuds would be their “principles” dropping as they ran.

  205. It’s hard to believe, but there may be a form of moderation here whilst Peter from Maidstone is away. Yesterday, I tried many times to post a comment about the general secretary of the national union of teachers. It may be her name, which is as unfortunate as her face. I tried again this morning – no success!

  206. anne

    I think the spam filter collects some links when Peter is not able to invigilate and override it. Your posts without links seem to be getting through.

  207. Frank P 30 Mar 21:01 … “a vain hope perhaps, given that the party has the LibDems riding on their shoulders with their fat little legs around their throats.”

    Image of The Day! I’m just sorry I was eating my breakfast when I read it.

  208. Malfleur

    I doubt the Government has any great need or inclination to ‘outlaw’ the EDL. Indeed it has no need to, for as long as it is led by Tommy Hutchinson, its influence and impact, for reasons previously identified here, will continue to be marginal.

    Most meaningful political support for and from the Right will continue, for the immediate future, to be caught in the centrifugal force of UKIP.

  209. I have had a dynamite idea and am sorry I’m not in Britain to help perpetrate it: indigenous Brits should start filing police complaints for discrimination. Every time a favoured and pampered minority (that would be the muzzies first; blacks come second) get a job over them, or give them a dirty look in the street or … well, anything really (works for the muzzies!) lodge a complaint with whatever authority in the government accepts such complaints. for “discrimination” or, if it was just a dirty look, go to the police and file a complaint against a “hate crime”. The beauty of this is, anything can be a hate crime these days! It doesn’t have to be on the statute books! As long as you believe it was a “hate crime”, that makes it a hate crime!!

    Works for the the mohammadan cult!

    This has to be implemented fast, while we are stil in the majoority!

  210. Verity

    “…That pushing over of chairs and huffing and pufflinig of scrambing you would hear would be the pushing, shoving and jockeying of Lab-Con MPs jockeying for places on board the bandwagon…”

    I would see that stampede of lemmings as a clear and present danger, a threat to achieving what needs to be done; immediate withdrawal from Europe, the restoration of Parliamentary sovereignty and full control over the UK’s budget and borders.

  211. Noa … and the restoration of our borders and our right to determine who we want in the country and who has to go. I wonder how long it would take to clear the country of the “bums-in-the-air-for-allah” hordes.

    Here’s an item from The Mail today, in case you haven’t seen it.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2301874/Bushra-al-Rahimi-Jobless-Iraqi-benefit-queen-sublets-taxpayer-funded-2m-flat-4-000-week.html

    Whoever accorded her that flat should be fired and their pension sequestered.

  212. Frank P
    March 31st, 2013 – 14:23
    No, Frank, ir was a simple comment without any links. I will try it again, but look up the name on Google, you will have a laugh. Trying to send it now.

  213. Whenever I hear the name of the NUT general secretary, I distinctly smell a dyed in the wool socialist!

  216. Verity@March 31st, 2013 – 15:33

    Mebbe we should start making complaints about the ‘Asian Network’ on the BBC. Why do they have a separate network when ther isnt a white british network, or a Polish network or an Latvian network. Time the Asian network was abolished

  218. From Black Dog in today’s Mail. If you have savings, be very afraid.

    “Asked about George Osborne’s decision to let the Bank of England’s new Governor, Canadian-born Mark Carney, pump more cash into the economy, one of the Chancellor’s aides confided: ‘It’s simple: Carney’s job is to turn on the printing presses and not turn them off until the recession is over.’

    A cynic’s translation might be: Cause as much inflation as you want if it wins us the next Election – we don’t give a damn what happens afterwards.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2301800/BLACK-DOG-Tories-inflate-chances.html#ixzz2P8W3QREr
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  220. There is something in Anne’s post, or in the repeated efforts to post it, which has roused the spam troll from under the bridge. There is no moderation here in general. Just the exclusion of trolls, and the management of automatically processed spam filtering. I am back home now, but while away only had internet twice so I didn’t bother using the time to try to catch up here.

  221. Peter from Maidstone
    Glad you are safely home, Peter, and trust your trip was all that you wished it to be.

  222. I was going to find out the odds for UKIP getting, say 20, seats at the next GE, but their site is very complicated.

  225. David Ossitt
    March 31st, 2013 – 19:18
    Thanks, David.
    I guess that ugly socialist woman has friends in high (low) places. They must be upset that UKIP is gaining more interest.

  226. Verity.

    UKIP seats at the next General Election.

    I can’t find the odds on 20 or more but William Hill are offering odds of 2/5 for none, 11/4 for one and 6/1 for two or more.

  230. David Ossitt

    6/1?

    Yes, definitely worth a flutter given today’s poll showing 13 possible seats. Personally I feel that is an underestimate. Perhaps even deliberately so:-

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

    Must be down to Nigel’s tifter. 😉

  231. Correction – UKIP on 13%. Lib Damned on 12% . i can’t estabish how this translates in terms of seats.

  232. Noa, unfortunately it depends on the spread of UKIP voters. If they were all concentrated entirely in a small number of constituencies it could be a large number of MPs. If it is spread out uniformly across all constituencies it would be zero MPs.

  233. OK, Noa, Lib Dumps on 12% and UKP on 13% — that leave 75% for the taking. From reading the British papers, I get the feeling that there is no hunger for Labour or Shamoron’s mess of a Tory party. If they dump Shamoron, the Conservatives may pick up a few seats … but who would be an electoral good bet to replace him? Given that they couldn’t even win the last election, now that the voters have had a chance to judge the grossly unelectable Shamoron, they are not going to flee to grossly unelectable Labour.

    I sense a UKIP bonanza-rama coming up!

  234. I wouldn’t be surprised if UKIP came in 2nd, given how disaffected everyone is with their own parties which are now driven by thet personal agendas of the coterie at the top in both major parties, not by the good of the country. (I don’t count the Lib Dumbs as a real party – just a bunch of useful tools for people who own “wind farms” and similar cons.

  235. Verity, I don’t see that most people are disaffected with the two main parties. The large client base is happy with them. Why would someone on benefits, or an immigrant, or someone working for the state vote for UKIP? This means that there is always a built in bias for the status quo.

  236. Peter from Maidstone
    March 31st, 2013 – 21:52
    Alas, you are right. Apart from the postal voters and others air freighted here to vote labour, the majority are too apathetic to do anything. The benefits changes due tomorrow will drive even more back to the labour fold, and even a rocket up their behinds would have little effect.

  237. The candidate that has as a well-pubiclised part of his agenda the removal of the vote from non-citizens will stand a good chance of getting in. This has to be done stat, as they are rapidly gaining on us as the majority.

  238. Noa @ 15:27

    I agree with you that the focus should be on UKIP and yesterday I expressed the view that future political and economic events were likely to revise upwards its chances in the 2015 election.

    At the same time, I have tried to point out that the English Defence League is not a political party. It is a single issue pressure group. As long as people cannot get the name of its leader right, it seems that it will be difficult to get this point across; but it is not in competition with any political party.

    From time to time CHWs express a concern, sometimes a warm concern, at the influence of islam on life in the country; not enough to get them up off their arses, if I may be permitted to snipe without breaking any of the rules of this hallowed temple of free speech. Nonetheless, as a group of varied ages, education, religion and income which is, so far as I am aware, the only one in the country to have organized such concern, it is one in which CHWs should have a natural interest rather than feeling that it is a far away country about which we want to know nothing. The government, in the broadest sense, does however seem to consider it worthwhile to invest a certain amount of time, effort and money in weighing up the EDL and the views and standing in society of its members. That interest has generated three reports: one by Chatham House (although as Frank P says this can be left unread because Chatham House is a think tank); the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation and Political Violence, probably to be damned and ignored on the same ground, and in any event 72 pages in length; and a report by the University of Nottingham, which of course is the seat of the writer of the Chatham House report and therefore…yawn. This does however suggest that government is not simply content to leave the dismantling of the EDL and the views to which that organization gives expression to the blind workings of the evil Mr. Hutchinson.

    There is a sense on these pages that UKIP is a static entity, and I think that the same can be said of the attitude here (such as exists) towards the EDL. UKIP however seen as a trend takes on a more dynamic significance as it responds to and acts on events which now threaten to be seismic. I would not yet count it out in 2015.

  239. Peter from Maidstone @ 21.52

    “Why would someone on benefits, or an immigrant, or someone working for the state vote for UKIP?”

    Because the government will run out of other people’s money.

  240. Jam tomorrow

    Very little jam is made in the country where I am presently living. I don’t know why, perhaps church bells at Easter, but I was thrown back to my childhood when my mother used to take us children on a picnic which combined weeding the grave of my grandparents and picking blackberries from the hedgerows. These berries were later made in the kitchen at home into scrumptious blackberry jam which would last through the winter and most of the following year. Does this still go on in England?

  241. Malfleur @ 23.55

    Rest assured harvesting blackberries isn’t dead. I remember at school the 1st holiday after summer was called ‘blackberry week’ up here in the North East. The wonderfull thing about them was that they grew on the most inhospitable land. Around quarries and slag heaps and tips you got the most fantastic crops.

    Unfortunately the demise of our industrial landscape and Govt funded prissification of open spaces has much reduced our ‘blackey’ crops.

    Never mind. I still go hunting for them as one of natures best bounties is blackies and wild apple pies which my kids absolutely love although it takes much longer to gather.

    And on wild fruit. The EU directed farming regime over the last 40 years has virtually destroyed hedgerows. This has almost eradicated wild gooseberries which were another feature of our late summer and early autumn diet. Along with swarms of sparrows I guess they will never return.

  243. Malfleur, yes, I agree that the state will eventually run out of money, but I can imagine it both printing a great deal more and stealing more from those who work before it gives up. Like a starving man, the state will take whatever it can find until the very end in an attempt to stay alive, active and in power.

  244. On April 1st, April Fool’s Day, I see the following headdlines from the BBC website:
    Ex-foreign secretary David Miliband has resigned from the board of Sunderland football club over new head coach Paolo Di Canio’s “past political statements”.

    Mr Di Canio has previously described himself as “a fascist, not a racist”.
    I fail to understand that a fascist is not acceptable, whereas a marxist/socialist is. Does Miliband find it too much of a distraction?

  245. Peter from Maidstone@March 31st, 2013 – 20:45

    Lets wait and see how UKIP do in the council elections this year and euro ones next year. If they do well then it will give them the traction to do well in 2015.

    well I hope so anyway…

  246. anne wotana kaye@April 1st, 2013 – 09:12

    I thought the April fools day joke was the police woman claiming damages from a bloke who dialed 999 because there were burglars on his premises, tripped and is claiming from the 999 caller under health and safety laws.

  247. Anne.

    “Does Miliband find it too much of a distraction?”

    The millipede needed a get out, it was reasonable for him to pretend that his directorship at Sunderland was not just a ridiculously highly paid sinecure whilst he was living in England and pretending to represent the people of South Shields.

    But once he has decamped to richer pastures; it would be seen for what it is, if he continued to take Sunderland FC’s filthy lucre.

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