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Peter from Maidstone
April 1st, 2013 – 08:45
Malfleur, yes, I agree that the state will eventually run out of money, but I can imagine it both printing a great deal more and stealing more from those who work before it gives up. Like a starving man, the state will take whatever it can find until the very end in an attempt to stay alive, active and in power.
*****
Agreed, and the starving man is distributing stones in exchange for bread. Printing money not represented by valuable assets is another way of stealing as it robs the existing paper money of value. Holding interest rates at close to zero is another way of stealing, as the practice deprives savers (especially pensioners) of a commercially-determined return.
Malfleur 31st, – 23:40
“As long as people cannot get the name of its leader right,”
Seems that is also a problem for its leader…
‘Depositors money safe in Cypriot banks’ said the Cypriot Central Bank.
http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=83767
And it also transpires that the President moved EU 21million of his own cash to London on 15th March.
http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=83770
Malfleur
If, as you say, the EDL is a single issue pressure group it is a curiosity and irrelevance. Whereas if it develops into a single issue political party which continues to led by Mr Lennon-Hutchinson, it is also a curiosity and will remain a political irrelevance.
At last! An apt and a fitting role for the EURO symbol.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66666000/jpg/_66666424_017598655-1.jpg
Ostrich (occasionally)
April 1st, 2013 – 09:38
‘ “As long as people cannot get the name of its leader right,”
Seems that is also a problem for its leader…’
I would imagine that he has no more nor no less of a problem keeping track of which name he is using than Ostrich does.
Noa @ 10:32
“If, as you say, the EDL is a single issue pressure group it is a curiosity and irrelevance. ”
Post hoc non propter hoc fallacy.
Noa @ 10:24
I understand that the Russians also found ways to move vast amounts out of Cyprus even after the stable door was closed.
Malfleur
One might as well argue whether it’s the wood, the glue or the screws that hold a coffin together.
If we are agreed that it is irrelevant does it matter whether it is as a result, or because of its policy, structure and leader?
And whilst wary Russian businessmen were moving their cash out of Cyprus, and trusting UK expats were leaving it in, one may look forward with pleasure to the thought of Russians, Britons and Cypriots joining hands together in unity to haul on the rope which hoists Mr Anastasiades to the top of the lamp post outside the Cypriot Parliament.
Noa
But we are not agreed that it is an irrelevance because such a conclusion does not follow, as you seem to think it does, from the premise.
But on to areas where we are agreed: all hands to the rope indeed!
While awaiting the happy moment, an opportunity for gentlemanly terror presents itself, striking a blow against the distributors of bog paper everywhere. Consider and research the case of Mr. Bernard von NotHaus and the Startling Case of the Liberty Dollar. “While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_von_NotHaus
Malfleur
April 1st, 2013 – 09:34
Our political class no longer have a long term planning frame,in fact their idea of strategy is tomorrow’s headlines.Maybe it is a legacy of the 60s generation growing up expecting nuclear war to bring civilization to an end.
Anyway I believe they will continue to borrow and pass the bill to the next generation.As we also,in the west,have a decreasing and ageing population a generation made up of immigrants and their children may be rather reluctant to pay for old whites to live in luxury.
Malfleur 1st, – 11:24
“I would imagine that he has no more nor no less of a problem keeping track of which name he is using than Ostrich does.”
Except when entering the USA?
“..we are not agreed that it is an irrelevance because such a conclusion does not follow, as you seem to think it does, from the premise.”
Res ipsa loquiter.
There was a vile piece by James Kirkup on the Telegraph a few days ago (part of its propaganda onslaught about ‘immigration is OK, really, and, anyway, the Tories are sorting it out, honest’ – they really are frit of UKIP now!).
One of the comments below it was of the cut out and keep variety.
Do copy and paste to those being bullied by the local Muslims.
How To Stop A Mosque Being Built
(or How To Stop A Mosque Get Planning Permission)
Posted by
flud
Today 01:41 PM
You are right, and the indigenous population are not aware of what damage mosques do to the liberal flagship policy of “community cohesion”.
For example, how many posting here are aware that:
Once a mosque is built, it can never become anything else, be demolished or used for another purpose?
Every mosque should be higher in stature, bigger, and more imposing that any surrounding buildings?
This is purely a matter of triumphalism.
If you see mosques in any Muslim inhabited large city, for example Birmingham – look how they tower over other buildings, completely transforming the skyline.
Have you ever experienced what happens when planning permission is granted for a mosque?
The ones wanting the mosque very rarely state on the application form that it’s for a mosque – they call it a community centre for the surrounding community.
Trouble is, if you’re a non-Muslim, you wouldn’t be very welcome.
They are careful to abide by planning permission law at first, but they are also careful to be economical with the truth about for example parking facilities, and the numbers of “faithful” who will be using it.
Invariably there are more adherents to Islam using a mosque than there are parking spaces.
This leads to noise, traffic holdups, illegal parking.
Don’t forget, these good people arrive to pray five times a day, the earliest at around 4 o’clock in the morning.
They park in front of houses so householders can’t get their cars out.
When approached they invariably resort to verbal abuse.
If somebody in the vicinity has the misfortune to have to work nights and needs peace and quiet during the day – tough.
A more sinister aspect is when they say they don’t need all the parking spaces because the people using the mosque are or will be living in the area so they can go there on foot.
In some cases this is true, but mostly not – what is most likely to happen is that they get the mosque built first, then move into the area.
They use intimidation to “persuade” the non-Muslims to move out, or “persuade” them to sell their properties to them, often at a loss.
Another reason for stopping mosques being built is what goes on in them. As happy boy says, they instill the words of the koran into the congregations, many of whom can’t speak Arabic so the imam can tell them what he likes.
Most of the content of the koran is what Muslims should do to non-Muslims.
When the people who thought up the Prevent Strategy against extremism suggested it would be a good idea to make visits to mosques to find out what is being said by the imams and others – the Muslim Council of Britain went off on one, refused to co-operate and started whining about this breaching Muslims’ human rights because it was spying on them.
Mosques can be stopped, but it needs constant awareness.
Anybody, anywhere can protest about a mosque application in their area, you can protest even about mosques in other towns and cities – it’s your democratic right.
All you have to do is go on to your local council’s planning website, then either write voicing your objections, or email.
It’s easily done if you mention lack of parking facilities, congestion, and if there’s a school nearby you can mention road safety aspects when lots of Muslims arrive and park all over the place.
Look on this website. It tells you all you need to know, and how to do it:
http://lawandfreedomfoundation.org/category/new-mosque-applications/
PS, I think the Telegraph’s paywall has gone up today, so only 20 free articles a month (I will not be paying):
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100208823/immigration-if-only-politicians-would-lead-not-follow/
Alexsandr
April 1st, 2013 – 13:39
anne wotana kaye@April 1st, 2013 – 09:12
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Dear Alexandr,
Another contender could be the would-be thief who died on the job from a heart attack. He was robbing a jewellery shop in Oxford, and passers-by held him down before he passed out and died. My question: Can his dependents claim compensation as this was a work involved incident? Or, can they sue the brave passers-by for agitating his system and causing him to have a heart attack?
AWK – I think that counts as an occupational hazard and something he could legally be expected to have taken into account when he embarked on this project. Same as being beaten up by an ex-boxer, say, if the store owner or staff happened to be an ex-boxer or a boxer for sport. Stupid people do not think ahead.
Alexander dons his football Boot to kick around the ‘fascist’ v Marxist match and gives both Di Canio and Milimajor a red card in the process. (See his latest post).
Dhimmitude Danish style.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2302312/Muslims-declare-victory-fight-anti-Islamic-lego-Denmark-promises-axe-Jabba-s-Palace-toy.html
I am surprised at them. I thought they were tougher than that. As we know, Sweden and Norway have gone the dhimmitude route … and now Denmark. That leaves Holland and France as the countries in Europe that are pursuing their national interests in the face of the pyjama-wearing fascists.
Verity
April 1st, 2013 – 15:27
Yes, you may be right, but if his family find a good ambulance-chasing lawyer, their ‘uman rights will be protected.
Yes, AWK, you are right. But in the case where a perp puts himself in danger of his own free will, there cannot be a role for an ambulance chaser, except to say that the jewellery shop should not have been allowed to exist as it presented too great a temptation to crap individuals.
Verity@April 1st, 2013 – 16:03
I did laugh at ‘crap individuals’
Further to my post at 14.33 above, I here present a textbook example of how the decoy of ‘community centre’ is used to gain planning permission for a mosque.
This story shows how the smoke and mirrors of ‘community centres’ unfolds into a mosque.
A building is sold. The planning application is for ‘community centre’:
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/home/2010/may/25/boozy_pubs_call_to_prayer.aspx
What’s key is how the public are hoodwinked.
Look at the comments below that story as the public are fooled.
The one at the bottom of that local paper hyperlink reads:
“john s alford wrote:”
“Its [sic] not a mosque but a community centre open to all religious [sic]”
Three years later it’s 2013, and with the building converted, it is now – hey, presto – “Muslim Community Centre & Mosque (Chatham, Kent)”.
Notice the little “& Mosque” – like it was an afterthought!
That label supersedes its status as a ‘community centre’ (ho, ho, ho) and means that building gets all sorts of Muslim privileges.
Here it is today, described as mosque in a mosque directory:
http://www.mosquedirectory.co.uk/mosques/england/kent/chatham/luton/Muslim-Community-Centre-&-Mosque-Chatham-Kent/3037
And, of course, thanks to cultural sensitivity, innit, the mosque can never be converted into anything else.
I wonder how many people have been fooled by these planning applications?
Be on your guard.
Anne. I posted the reply below to you at the end of the last week’s wall.
“Does Miliband find it too much of a distraction?”
The millipede needed a get out, it was reasonable for him to pretend that his directorship at Sunderland was not just a ridiculously highly paid sinecure whilst he was living in England and pretending to represent the people of South Shields.
But once he has decamped to richer pastures; it would be seen for what it is, if he continued to take Sunderland FC’s filthy lucre.
Frank P
April 1st, 2013 – 15:36:
Mr Boot spot on about the nonsensical “left-right” spectrum. As I may possibly have said here before, the idea that every policy, philosophy, action and belief has a place somewhere on a one dimensional tramline is simplification to the point of meaninglessness.
As for the Benito-loving Iti footie bloke, his arrival in Blighty was the subject of agonised disapproval on Radio 4 news just now. Is it “acceptable” for such a prominent ball basher to hold such “inappropriate” views, wondered the Beeb lady, thereby getting two weasel words into sentence.
The word “inappropriate” is almost always used inappropriately. As for acceptability, since the appointment of football managers has ever been offered up for my acceptance, I’m unlikely to be in a position either to accept or to refuse it.
David Ossitt
April 1st, 2013 – 18:45
Apologies, David
The four day holiday and clocks going forwards has confused me as to dates when new Walls go up or down. By the way, hope you had and are still having a good Easter. Regarding the wretched Miliband, some idiot on BBC Radio 4 this morning said the fascists killed many people in World War II, yet made no mention of the many killed by Stalin! The Stalin-look alike, both physically and politically must be cashing it in with his new job. What next for the Great Distractor? (Sing to the tune of “Yes, I’m the Great Pretender”) How about Head of the United Nations!
Frank, the terms Left and Right are an absolute godsend to Labour and the Conservatives because the psychological trick it plays ‘if you’re not with them, you’re with us’ fits neatly into the first past the post system.
Most people can spot the psychological trick, but then, at election time, are forced into a choice of the lesser of two evils.
Most people fight on their ballot paper in the UK ‘against’ something.
They are very rarely voting in general elections ‘for’ something.
Peter Hitchens argues that one of the reasons he wants the Conservative Party to disintegrate is because the nature of the voting system demands a huge block of votes to reach victory.
His tactic at the last election, therefore, was to hope Labour would win, watch the Conservative Party die and then begin again.
Sever all old political allegiances (in their many shapes and forms) of convenience and begin again.
Compromise after compromise has led us to where we are: hell.
His view on UKIP is it won’t do any good, but it won’t do any harm either, so people may as well vote for them.
I have to say I am loving his new habit of calling the Mayor of London by his real name: ‘Al Johnson’.
It’s rather fitting, don’t you think? And it’s more accurate than Al’s voter-friendly label.
I used to think First Past The Post was the best system, but I see now that it is nothing but a marriage of convenience for Labour and the Tories to try to share power eternally.
I was sad the referendum failed to change the voting system a few years ago, but hope is not lost.
Nigel Farage still has way too much work ahead of him to break this voter monopoly (and he can do nothing about all the postal vote gerrymandering that seems to always put his party just out of winning distance).
For me the hope is Scotland 2014.
That’s the one that, if successful, will end all of the marriages of political convenience we are all forced into or forced to witness.
There is the most pathetic air of desperation from the Torygraph and the Dacre Mail about that referendum.
One minute they tell us the UK is broken Britain and everything is failing. The next story, when the Scottish referendum crops up, it’s all a sunny Union and shouldn’t be broken up.
Fancy!
It is truly desperate propaganda.
Although many seem not to appreciate what it would mean for the people in England if Scotland gets its independence – that is the one that, I suspect to the Englsih people’s surprise, will free them in a way nobody can yet imagine.
Let’s face it, though, the mainstream media aren’t likely to flag up the advantages of Scots independence to the English.
We can’t have the political elite and their propaganda machines losing their cartel of political power dressed up as ‘democracy’ – can we?
Who ya gonna call?
Mosque-busters!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261623/Mosque-buster-claims-stop-tide-Islam-giving-free-advice-block-building-plans-new-places-worship.html
As per above at 14:33, this is what happens when Muslims take over an area.
They don’t just want to buy people’s houses and get rid of the non-Muslims.
They intimidate and bully them with violence to buy the houses at a knock-down price (as if the price wouldn’t have fallen enough once people know what Muslims are doing there to the non-Muslims).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5HpQyflZN4
This is a two-minute update:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl79iu4eH0A
A straight pinch from the Taxpayers Alliance budget analysis:-
TAXES
The new allowance for Employers’ National Insurance, the cut in Corporation Tax, the freeze in Fuel Duty and cut in Beer Duty are all to be welcomed
Many of the tax changes are sadly adding to the complexity and instability of the tax system, which the Government has thus far failed to reform and simplify
In January 2013, the TaxPayers’ Alliance revealed that the Coalition Government had implemented or planned 299 separate tax rises and 119 separate tax cuts since it came to power; after yesterday’s Budget, our preliminary estimate is that at least 413 separate tax rises have already been implemented or are planned before May 2015 compared to just 166 separate tax cuts.
SPENDING
Government departments have been significantly underspending against their original budget allocations but, crucially, the Chancellor failed to address the continuing overspend against the government’s revenue base
Relative to our economy and its capacity to bear taxation, government overspending is worse than it appeared when the Coalition came to power
Despite the substantial shortfall in economic growth and revenue below what had been expected, the Coalition Government has not cut spending below its original trajectory
Given recent growth performance, the continuing problems in Europe, our broken banks, and high energy prices, the convergence of spending and revenue which the Government predicts may not happen at all
Without new controls on pay increases, there is a serious risk that public sector pay will not be contained to a 1% rise since the total public sector pay bill has continued to rise over the last three years, despite a supposed pay freeze and a fall in public sector headcount
DEBT
By 2017-18, even on the OBR’s optimistic forecasts, the Coalition Government will have more than doubled the official national debt it inherited
According to the Office for National Statistics, the government’s overall liabilities amount to well over £7 trillion, equivalent to five times GDP
All of the government’s liabilities require servicing, and if we add in pension payments and PFI, total debt servicing is already around £170 billion a year, and is set to increase to £220 billion a year by 2017-18. By then, over 30 per cent of government revenues will be earmarked to service past liabilities rather than to pay for current services
CONTINGENT LIABILITIES
There are enormous economic risks with the Government’s new £12 billion policy of guaranteeing mortgage loans on a substantial scale through “Help to Buy”, in a manner reminiscent of the arrangements in the United States which are thought to have contributed to the build-up of subprime debt that triggered the financial crisis
Between “Help to Buy” and the National Loan Guarantee scheme announced in last year’s Budget, nearly 14 per cent is being added to total guarantees
The Government should be far more open and transparent about the contingent liabilities it is taking on so that such commitments – which take a significant risk with taxpayers’ money – are subject to proper scrutiny
http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/home/2013/03/budget-2013-takes-total-number-coalition-tax-rises-400.html
Vis-a-vis the way binary thinking drives naive political views, Peter Hitchens writes this Sunday gone:
“When I was a Revolutionary Marxist, we were all in favour of as much immigration as possible.
“It wasn’t because we liked immigrants, but because we didn’t like Britain.
“We saw immigrants – from anywhere – as allies against the staid, settled, conservative society that our country still was at the end of the Sixties.”
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/04/how-i-am-partly-to-blame-for-mass-immigration.html
Exactly.
The economic arguments for Communism and socialism fell apart.
I must be careful not to fall into the binary thought trap and think this has made Friedmanite economics a bed of roses.
Indeed, I think that model is collapsing around our ears permanently.
I have no idea what will replace it.
Leaving economics aside, then, the Labour Party and chums were far too afraid to take on the power of the Establishment in the shape of the German welfare spongers in Buckingham Palace (busy learning Arabic these days, so they can read The Koran!).
So what was left?
Kicking the weak. The white working class. It was the only thing that was do-able.
And people didn’t understand the ‘culture war’ that was unleashed to do all this.
And there was the easy shorthand of ‘racist’ to end all arguments and opposition with a smear.
If that one smear can successfully be applied – please leave the battlefield of the culture war. You are finished.
To this day, ‘racism’ remains the ultimate smear. It is the weapon of choice in the culture war.
And it is what has been used to change Britain beyond all recognition.
Very useful information, Noa.
I understand that the Help To Buy shceme is a deliberate smokescreen to retain confidence in the housing market (people think it will keep prices high), but that, in practice, it won’t help that much.
The first of the Help to Buys that kicks in now, will sell homes, but only the massively overpriced rubbishy new homes that are so dreadfully built these days.
The Tory party has to help its funders a little bit!
The second one though, which kicks in next year, supposed to apply to all potential homebuyers will exist in name, but not in practice.
It will be there, but will be largely inoperable.
Why?
The banks have been told they need more capital, so how can they lend more? See here:
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/bank-capital-push-could-hamper-063047333.html
Having understood that, how can lending go up?
If they need more capital in the long term, the banks need to know (unlike yesteryear) how buyers will repay their mortgages.
The government will only ‘underwrite’ those mortgages for three years.
So when the buyer fills out the mortgage application, they will need to say how they will meet mortgage payments three years hence, when the government underwriting stops.
It isn’t just that credit is shrinking as the banks are told to hold safer capital to loan ratios.
It’s that the mortgage screening process is totally different from the boom years, when banks would automatically assume house prices rises forever.
Banks never used to care about how mortgages would be repaid, but that is changing to the point where they’re even backdating their enquiries to mortgages written up in the boom years and asking: ‘How will you pay off your loan?’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-2301674/Interest-mortgage-borrowers-say-repay-loan.html
So Help To Buy exists.
“But let me see how much money I have to loan you. Sorry, it’s shrinking in front of my eyes. And tell me, how do you know you can repay all your home loans for the next three years and beyond?
“Application denied.”
And lo, Gideon giveth out with one hand, what the bank retracteth with another hand.
That’s kind of how Budgets work!
Ostrich (occasionally) @ 13:25
Different names didn’t seem to hinder Tammy Hoofington from entering the USA with the nefarious intent of speaking at a conference on the anniversary of 9/11, nor of leaving that country without let or hindrance the following day mission accomplished. There was a time, long in the past now though still within the memory of some, when Englishmen used to celebrate this kind of derring-do. Of course this may mean that he is indeed an MI5 agent who was allowed to slip in and out for reasons of state; in which case he will probably, when the time is right, get a gong.
Noa @ 13:53
Res ipsa indeed! As why would some government-connected chappy think to pen a 72 page report on an irrelevance? I’m not saying it has never happened, but…
Change of Topic, Possibly – Obama’s Generals – The Second Boot Drops
“We can only hope that President Obama’s cavalier attitude toward the loss of their institutional knowledge, their leadership abilities, and their complex understanding of a dangerous world does not prove to be a tragedy for the nation.”
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/how-america-lost-its-four-great-generals/
Roseanne
Can you throw any light on why the Law and Freedom Foundation site states that it is not connected with the English Defence League? Is that a tactical decision or is some matter of principle involved?
Re Roseanne’s post, the British government and opposition are in the advanced stages of dhimmitude and need to be relieved of their duties stat. I don’t know how this can be done, given that the enemy is accorded a vote in how our country is run and what is permissible. They don’t even have to be citizens to vote, which is so clearly insane it beggars belief. What is more, hundreds of thousands of them are being supported by the taxpayer, whose vote is gradually being swamped by aliens with no roots in the country, nor any loyalty.
I would say, “Why not just hand it to them on a platter” but…. oh, wait a minute … they are.
This item at the Gates of Vienna may amuse Frank P.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/04/a-change-of-heart/
Unfortunately, it’s dated April 1st…
http://www.safeshare.tv/w/UAGOcLSuLX
The real answer to the problem sits in the White House
While it is no surprise hearing David Milliband spout nauseating hypocrisy it is ones duty to remind folk about where his values lie.
He has resigned from the S*Land board because of their appointment of Italian Paul de Canio, who is on record as being a supporter of fascism and Mussolini. This may be understandable coming as he does from a marxist family but one must remember that this same manis the weasel who was happy to employ terrorist sympathisers like Mockbul Ali in the FCO when he was in charge there. People like Geert Wilders had the FCO wanting him barred from the UK, while people like Mockbul Ali lobbied to have I$lamic extremists allowed entry into the UK.
The likes of Wilders and de Canio have done us no harm and cost us nothing and Milliband hates them while I$lamic terrorists and their friends both inside and outside the country are supported and given a voice by the likes of this weasel.
Malfleur 2nd, – 00:16
“There was a time, long in the past now though still within the memory of some, when Englishmen used to celebrate this kind of derring-do.”
Indeed. But that time is supposed to be past. If we are to condemn illegal immigrants for securing entry to our country through use of passports that are not legally theirs, then we must apply the same to those of our citizens who try the same elsewhere.
In my case, if I’d tried that at immigration in Houston and the passport scanner had picked it up (as it undoubtedly would) I’d have been in the nick and out of a job in a trice! But to some people that doesn’t seem to matter.
O (o), I think that although penalties may be imposed on people for various actions, nevertheless the same actions do not carry always the same moral value. Someone entering a third country for the sake of the anti-jihad movement is not the same as someone entering a third country for personal gain. Otherwise we d have to say that the Raid on St Nazaire was a matter of illegal immigration and the soldiers should properly have been arrested for that, rather than laud them as heroes.
There is a war taking place. We may well face penalties and sanctions, but it is not as simple as saying that we should always obey all laws however iniquitous or however much misapplied.
We must surely avoid treating the jihadist movement and the anti-jihadist resistance as being morally equitable.
Ostrich (occasionally) @ 10:26
I am suitably impressed that you are one of those chaps who would never clean his car on a Sunday in the 1960s because to do so would have been in breach of the Blasphemy Law. Have you ever come across the maxim “de minimis non curat lex”?
Malfleur@April 2nd, 2013 – 13:02
We were on holiday in the Western Isles in mid 90’s and were told off for hanging towels out to dry on a Sunday.
With the tension surrounding Korea, both North Korea and South Korea, I am surprised that we have heard nothing from the imbeciles who we have the misfortune to call the Coalition. When may we expect to hear that poor Tommy Atkins (now Muggins) is to be despached post haste to participate in any conflict which erupts?.
Malfleur 2nd, – 13:02
“who would never clean his car on a Sunday in the 1960s”
‘course I didn’t…I had a hangover! Cleaning car time was Saturday morning/afternoon, to impress the bird you were taking out that night.
And as for blasphemy laws…do you think a 21yearold was aware of those? And Mary Whitehouse’s best efforts to draw them to our attention failed because…she was Mary Whitehouse. She didn’t even make it as a figure of fun; she wasn’t even funny enough to pause to listen to.
I think there is no political solution. The immense damage, unresolvable through talking and a few new weak laws (if we were lucky enough to be ceded that much!) won’t work as these people have established a vast base. They are even buiding new places to worship their dipshit diety, per Roseanne, above, under the guise of “community centres” … and all the while more flood in.
Is there any way of finding out how many islamic are admitted to Britain daily?
Anyway, I think their expulsion is only going to be accomplished by the British taking to the streets to fight them. The government is not going to help the Brits. Both sides have a tacit agreement to let them all in, in the hopes of getting their votes.
UKIP should promise to remove the vote from all non-citizens and they will be in by a landslide.
So mr philpott is found guilty, what should be found guilty is the curse of non judgementalism which used to hold tossers like him to account.
In a sane world he would know he was a tosser and so would all the people living around him, who would keep a wary
Eye on him and his antics.
But under the nonsense we have been living through his lifestyle
Is as valid as a hard working person who is a Benifit to society.
Utter utter madness .
I see non judgementalism as the key problem to today’s issues, all it did was allow bad people to justify behaving worse.
And who would have the balls to confront them now they had the permission
To behave like that.
John birch 2nd, – 16:23
“In a sane world he would know he was a tosser and so would all the people living around him, who would keep a wary Eye on him and his antics.”
Well, I guess the world must be semi-sane after all. From what I’ve read, all the people living around him did know he was a tosser, and did keep a wary Eye on him and his antics. It’s the so-called authorities above them all who have lost all sense of values and who are plain sh*t-scared to take any action to sort him (and his harem) out. Could the poor old emasculated rozzers have sorted them out? I dunno, but they must get right depressed when they try to take action against him and his ilk, only to find that next Monday he’s back out on the streets again, and that they’re the ones being disciplined. Nuthin’ to report, Sarge.
I see that a council worker from Hackney has been found guilty of building up a collection of 300 discs of terrorist related material including the Al Qaeda bumper book of blowing people up. He even had some of the material in his work PC. You’d hope that all Hackney council staff would be checked by the police as being potentially implicated.
The background of the worker in question is not clear but his name is Khalid Baqa.
He’s obviously a kind and generous man as he has a fundraising page here…
http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/fundraiser-web/fundraiser/showFundraiserProfilePage.action?userUrl=khalidbaqa
Maybe we could sponsor some of the charities he is keen to support?
Sounds like an evil Baqa!
The two main parties have engineered the ceding of our country to primitives who worship a violent, vicious diety. It is in their (either government’s) interest to continue to please these groups because ceding them more and more rights wins them votes to which foreigners are inexplicbly entitled, and keeps them in office … meaning money from various unnamed sources.
People must take to the streets … and I doubt that our army would fire on their own (although I’d wager that today’s police would …) or adopt dhimmitude as their modus vivendi and let the bums-in-the-air population call the shots.
Who would have ever dreamed that France would be braver than us! Yet they banned the burqa about five years ago, and they have banned them from their bums-ups on public streets.
It is critical to the saving of our country, for which hundreds of thousands have fought and died over the ages, that UKIP be accorded a powerful voice in Parliament by the legitimate means of the ballot box. A vote for UKIP is a vote for the restoration of freedom in Britain.
http://4liberty.org.uk
http://4liberty.org.uk/2013/04/02/fifth-column/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=fifth-column
A fifth column is a group of people who undermine a larger group, such as a nation or a besieged city, from within.The term was first coined (according to Wikipedia) by Emilio Mola who told a journalist in 1936 that as his four columns of troops approached Madrid, a “fifth column” of supporters inside the city would support him against the republican government……
P from m 19:03 — Interesting! Thanks!
Verity, it is estimated that there were 1,172,000 Muslims in the UK in 1990. And 2,869,000 in 2010. With a projected 5,567,000 in 2030.
At present rates of growth there will be 10 million Muslims in 2050 an 20 million in 2070.
Long before that we will find that many more major urban centres have been taken over by Muslims, unless we do something now while we still can.
P from M — Everyone talks about “doing something”!!! But what? The leaders of both major parties are in the pockets of their djeballas – both for, I am sure, contributions, plus the votes.
We must chop the voting rights of foreigners residing in the country before their numbers get so great that it wouldn’t be possible. In other words, five years ago. It is still possible, but the window of opportunity becomes ever smaller.
I lived and worked, as I have said before, in the US for 12 years and had all the rights of an inhabitant, but no vote. Never. No votes for non-citizens who have not sworn allegiance to the United States of America. No doubt Barak Hussein Obama would like to weaken this, but I am confident that the Americans, even those who vote Democrat, would never allow it.
Interesting though it may be, I’m not drawing attention to this article because of what’s printed in it –
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/14324020-will-war-with-north-korea-secure-obamas-legacy?utm_campaign=Outbrain&utm_source=Outbrain1.5Cents
What astonishes me is the picture. It shows young Kim shaking hands with some elderly-looking soldier.
Take a look at where the soldier has placed his left hand – under his right elbow.
I’ve always understood that it’s an exclusively Muslim gesture – one expressing humility and gratitude. Or am I mistaken?
I think we need, at least, a programme of education and propaganda for truth, british history and culture, and our national integrity.
Herbert Thornton, I can’t say for certain, but having lived among Orientals, I assure you that islamics do not enjoy regard among them. In Malaysia, the government (it was an exclusively Malay country before the Straits Chinese and the plantation workers from India came) made it the law that native Malays can get a pass mark for any exam with only 80% of what is demanded of Chinese and Indians.
Believe me, there is no high regard for islamics, if such ever cross the minds of the Chinese, the Japanese or the Koreans.
No, P from M – we need citizenship examinations, very rigourous ones, as the US has. No citizenship, no vote. Of course, there’s not much that can be done about those already born into civilised societies, but there needs to be an immediate withdrawal of the right of foreigners to vote to determine our government. It is suicide.
Verity, I think you are mistaken because what you are proposing is that the corrupt political class be given even greater power to determine who should be able to vote. Do you really think the corrupt political class should be depended on to manage citizenship exams? If you mean that non-citizens should not vote, then of course not. But how will even the knowledge that such things take place without a programme of propaganda and education on behalf of true conservatism?
Hmmmmmm P from M … good point. Then perhaps, in the interim, we suspend anyone being accorded citizenship. Put a 50 year suspension on the granting of citzenships to non-native born.
Hexhamgeezer
April 1st @ 01:22
What were the “wild apple pies” that you referred to? And were the wild apples what my family called crab apples? I know my mother occasionally made crab apple jelly and also quince jam from the single tree of each in our garden. We also had medlars, but I can’t remember what was done with them. I do remember though that they had a taste that attracted and repelled at the same time. All those fruits are mentioned in Shakespeare, though I don’t recall him referring to the blackberry strangely enough as there must have been bushes galore in the countryside around Stratford-on-Avon.
Falstaff mentions blackberries in Henry IV Part I, Act 2, Scene 4.
Not that I know, but I Googled.
If reasons were as plentiful as blackberries, I would give no man a reason upon compulsion
Peter from Maidstone @ 18:48
The old Baqa seems to be using the Virgin Airways logo… but is the reference to “Virgin Money Giving” perhaps to support for those 72 x martyrs flying high in the skies somewhere?
The Virgin Money Giving is a website where you can organise for people to donate to your cause. His cause is on the left half way down I think. It is some Islamic organisation.
Since Baqa was using Hackney computers as part of his terrorist activity I would hope (vainly) that all the computers on every Hackney Council desk was also checked for any connection to terrorist activity.
Peter from Maidstone @ 21:23
Right! Thanks for that! I should have remembered, as I played Hotspur at school and during the summer holiday in the open-air at the Minack theatre near Porthcurno where my sword broke in the rain during one night’s performance. Is that still going I wonder?
Peter from Maidstone @ 21:28
Oh yes, “islamic relief” – well it could still be for the provision virgins then, I suppose.
“Islamic relief” … perhaps there is a halal form of Ex-Lax.
The Minack Theatre was still going when I was there a few years ago..
http://www.minack.com/
Yes, there is still a full programme. Anthony and Cleopatra, and The Taming of the Shrew, as far as Shakespeare goes. But much else.
A fifth column … the term was first coined (according to Wikipedia) by Emilio Mola who told a journalist in 1936 that as his four columns of troops approached Madrid, a “fifth column” of supporters …
Oh, what an educational site this is!
As a kid, I enquired of one of my parents the meaning of “fifth columnist” (It had turned up in a ‘Biggles’ story). I was told that it referred to the organisation of the Roman Army, who would defeat a siege by, before their arrival at the city gates, sending the ‘Fifth Column’ of their army into said city in disguise.
I must admit, I’ve never since found any authority to confirm this but, up to a certain age, ones’ parents are the fount of all information…aren’t they?
Talking of fifth columns, can anyone explain the term “fourth estate”; and what are estates one, two and three?
I’m sure google has the answer, but it doesn’t offer the pleasant meander of a discussion.
I think the first estate is royalty. Don’t know, though. It would help if we knew how old these “estates” are. If ancient, I would guess the first is royalty, the second is the British citizenry, and the third the military. My guess.
For those squeamish about reading about murdered children, look away now.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2303120/Mick-Philpott-Vile-product-welfare-UK-Man-bred-17-babies-women-milk-benefits-guilty-killing-them.html
You, the taxpayer, supported this evil monster. Why? Because the British have allowed the left to run riot with welfare. Surely someone along the line asked questions about why this man had 17 children? They are so ready to take children away from people who smoke … but someone who breeds 17 children, and is collecting taxpayer money to support them, is clearly considered unexceptional.
UKIP could win tens of thousands of votes by promising to fight for the restoration of the death penalty.
From the always sublime Sultan Knish: “Racism is a resource and like every other resource, it’s in danger of running out. We hit Peak Racism decades ago. Peak Sexism peaked even earlier. Even Peak Homophobia peaked a while back. The cool kids are trying to push Islamophobia while peddling worn copies of Edward Said’s Orientalism that the campus book store refuses to buy back at more than 10% of the sale price, but once you get past the keffiyahs and a 10 year-old photo of what looks like a guy in black Klanwear in Iraq, (which looks like the world’s most confusing hate crime), the calm waves of the Pacific Ocean are there telling you that maybe it’s time to put away that thesis on “Othering in The Simpsons” and enjoy your job as Director of Sensitivity Innovations in the Department of Human Resources.”
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Frank Sutton
The three Estates were the division of French society into nobility, clergy, and hoi polloi and expressed in a prototype parliament with its origins in the medieval period. The French monarchy did not convene representatives for such a long period that, when it was finally forced to do so by the dire economic situation in 1789, it was too late and in the absence of a tradition of discourse between governed and governing the whole thing blew up in the King’s face.
Verity @ 18:56
And the Socialist President is on side too:
http://www.newenglishreview.org/bloga.cfm/blog_id/48348/Islamic-headscarf-debate-rekindled-in-France
The Jihad takes on “Star Wars”:
No battle, complaint or imagined offence, is too small for these buggers
h/t Pat Condell (via Twitter)
“Stupid Danes should know better. Lego backs down over ridiculous Muslim complaint. They should put a minaret on it.”
http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/austrian-muslims-win-fight-over-legos-anti-islamic-logo_839053.html
No April fool either,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2267062/Lego-accused-racism-Turkish-community-say-toy-offensive-based-mosque.html
Verity
April 3rd, 2013 – 02:12
Apart from murdering the children, this monster is the ideal citizen as far as the three main political partie are concered. The ultmate chav, dependent on the State for housing, food, everything in fact. Housed in homes once reserved for the worthy poor, children produced like animals, from multiple partners, all for the sake of receiving more money. Why are these types ideal citizens? The reason is prosaic. They can be relied upon to support the system. Of course there should be a death penalty, but how can there be, when we must defend their ‘uman rights?
EC 3rd, – 09:50
So…Muslims claim ‘victory’.
Lego has agreed to cease production from the end of 2014. As far as I have seen, for these niche items Lego allows a maximum 2-3 year production run, subject, of course, to continuing demand (or not). So Lego hasn’t agreed to anything that wasn’t already in its existing plan.
Some victory!
excellent piece in guidos comments today
find comment 88
http://order-order.com/2013/04/03/welfare-state-was-evil-philpotts-accomplice/#comments
Malfleur @l 2nd, 21:18
The wild apples were just some domestic varieties that grew in long forgotten and abandoned old estate grounds that had run wild. We had crab apples locally but we didn’t bother with them (mainly because they were too small and bitter and in the grounds of a vicarage guarded by Dobermans!)
AWK 3rd, – 10:03
“when we must defend their ‘uman rights?”
Rather than relying on DNA & genetic criteria, perhaps we could go back to that old-fashioned concept of ‘humanity’. Did this pair, in their interactions with society, display humanity? I don’t believe so. On which basis I would suggest they don’t have “‘uman rights”.
Ostrich (occasionally)
April 3rd, 2013 – 11:04
Yes! Yes! Yes! OO you are correct! Isn’t it ironic that only those who behave without any humanity are protected by the lunatics who control the judiciary? Terrorists, sadistic murderers, bullies, they are all a protected species. The individual who tries to guard his home and property will often fall foul of the law.
A thought on Obama’s Benghazi prompted by Montgomery’s Tobruk.
The obituary of Jim Fraser Montgomery’s tank driver, in today’s DT says of him:
“The citation for the award of Fraser’s MM said that he had undertaken the rescue under heavy shell fire – despite strict orders not to do so because there was no way of knowing who was in possession of the ground that he would have to cross.”
What a telling contrast with the tale of Admiral Gaouette who was summarily relieved of his command during the Benghazi affair apparently for failing to “stand down” as ordered when responding to a call for help from Americans caught up in the fighting at the US compound in Benghazi.
“Where is Admiral Gaouette?”
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/166278
Verity
“UKIP could win tens of thousands of votes by promising to fight for the restoration of the death penalty.”
While not wishing to kick off another CP debate (pointless – restoration will never happen), it’s fair to point out that Philpott and his cohorts were only charged with manslaughter. Unlikely to get CP restored for that charge.
Btw I think the jury may have found them guilty of murder had the police CPS not taken the easy option.
Actually the ‘reality TV’ mill was more than a little responsible for creating these monsters. Their hypocrisy in turning the reportage of the trial and its aftermath into a further raft of sensational salacious programmes, dragging out the usual array of trick-cyclists to air their specious opinions about the psychology of the perpetrators, is almost as disgusting as the behaviour of the defendants themselves.
Although both Osborn and IDS have made some rather crass statements about welfare reform and played into the hands of the enemy somewhat during the last few days, the timing of this case is certainly convenient in demonstrating the need for a radical overhaul of the welfare system. The underclass seems to be descending into Hogarthian debauachery, aided and abetted by the ‘Fourth Estate’ and funded by the benighted taxpayer.
The debauchery of the privileged class to which Cameron and Osborne belong is yet another matter.
Malfleur
Admiral Gaouette: unfortunately, it would appear that other than Jennifer Griffin and the Fox News team, nobody else else in America gives a shit about the Benghazi debacle; Obama was re-elected at the height of the controversy; Hillary Clinton has entered into near beatitude across the spectrum of political opinion and is a shoo-in as next POTUS; the vast majority of Americans don’t care a hoot about what happens outside their shores and despite the American economy descending into irretrievable debt Obama’s personal popularity rating is still riding high. This means that no logic, no sense and no hope remains for the West that most of us here have enjoyed for the best part of a century.
Mark Steyn has brilliantly delineated and augured the future; wish he would do a serious piece which proposes how we should prepare for the inevitable; my only hope is that, as always in history, the overweening ambitions of both Islam and Socialism (Communism) each bear the seeds of self-destruction; because there are no signs of a saviour among our own crop of politicians.
we have seen the poor behaviour of the underclass before in the Shannon Matthews case.
Frank P
April 3rd, 2013 – 12:58
…..,.Actually the ‘reality TV’ mill was more than a little responsible for creating these monsters. Their hypocrisy in turning the reportage of the trial and its aftermath into a further raft of sensational salacious programmes, dragging out the usual array of trick-cyclists to air their specious opinions about the psychology of the perpetrators, is almost as disgusting as the behaviour of the defendants themselves.
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All the lice are crawling out of the woodwork to get their pennyworth in. This moening, that sanctimonious hag, Margaret Beckett was sounding off as to how the social services nor benefits authorities were in any way to blame. Even Ann Witticombe, who I usually admire, spoke a load of crap.
Apologies for spelling error: ann widdecombe
AWK 3rd, – 14:40
“This moening”
Been watching re-runs of ‘allo-‘allo?
RE Malfleur’s post above, “The head of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), Mohammed Moussaoui, has warned against any new law aiming to curb the right of private-sector employees to wear headscarves.”
mohammed moussaoui had better take on board that threatening the French government with anything not only does not work, but it carries consequences. It was threatening the French government that got the burqa banned in schools and thence from all public buildings, including libraries, town halls, council offices etc. Vive la France!
AWK – Murderers, as I know you agree, willingly and with stupidity aforethought, cede their “human rights” when they kill someone. There is no reason that an innocent party should be dead by the hand of a killer who remains alive. If he takes a like, in doing so, it should be understood that he agrees to be killed by the state.
BTW, I have just thought of an added punishmenet for muzzie murderers … they should have their lethal injection, or whatever means the state chooses to put them down, administered by a woman.
Malfleur, France as the first (and as far as I know, tthe only) country to ban the burqa in publicly owned buildings. I was there at the time of the ban, and it was just great! All the French were 100% gung ho and the muzzies, of course, plied their ancient tradition of burning cars for two or three weeks.
EC above (can’t see the time because of glare on my computer) The French should stick a mini-minaret up their arses. (They don’t like it up ’em.)
AWK – Yes, they have trespassed, and won, everywhere and trampled with malice aforethought on our rights. They should be hosed out. I used to think they should be repatriated on large cattle boats, but now I think they would be taken to the shore and powerful hoses employed to wash them out to sea. Two or three days after each mass hosing, bulldozers could clean up the beach of dead boddies and burn them. (They are scared of cremation because they think it means they won’t get to heaven. Raising the question, who in their right mind would want to go to a muzzie heaven?)
So…the first charge has been laid against someone from the ‘Yewtree’ trawl net.
Anybody big? Anybody we know? Anybody who had a reputation for “being tactile”?
Nope, just one of the footsloggers, as usual. Someone who didn’t have the chance to ‘muddy the waters’ as, I suspect, the lead players did.
AWK – “The individual who tries to guard his home and property will often fall foul of the law.” … As we know, it is all about destroying the will of the indigenes and those long settled, lawfully, in these islands.
I have seen a couple of references over the past few days about Barak hussein Obama being reelected, but i do not remember seeing anythng in the papers on the internet) about the reelection. Was it covered? Who stood against him?
Verity, I think it was pretty massively covered in all the press. I can only guess that Mexico chose not to report it as I think it was wall to wall for a while.
Verity.
“France as the first (and as far as I know, tthe only) country to ban the burqa in publicly owned buildings.”
I believe that Italy and the Netherlands have, or are in the process of banning.
P from M — Unbelievable! I read The Mail and Telegraph every day, plus, of course, two or three blogs that I favour and saw nothing about it. I don’t read the Mexican press. I cannot believe that an entire American election passed me by unnoticed. Who was running against him? Who’s the Vice President. How could they have let this charlatan in again?? I am dumbfounded …
The Mexican press would most assuredly have covered it … massively!, but the things I am interested in are international and British politics and they are mainly parochial.
David Ossitt – I didn’t realise that. (Am I living in a time warp??). I think I did know about the Netherlands, but Italy surprises me. The Argie Pope should speak out then it would go through in a trice. Holland has long been aware of the sleazy opportunism of islam … from the days when Hirsi Ali was an MP and she was working on a film “Fitna” with the slaughtered (by a Moroccan islamic nut job) Theo Van Gogh. I think they are coming around more and more to the brave and doughty Geert Wilders, though. I hope so. The anti islamics in Europe point of view needs much stronger reprentation. (And will get it in Britain if enough people vote for UKIP to get them 10 or 15 … or more! … seats in Parliament. (I almost decided not to capitalise Parliament as it is such a sleaze bucket these days.)
David Ossitt – France banned the burqa in schools and all public buildings about six years ago. I think the ban on having their Friday bums-up on public pavements was banned very recently.
Ostrich (occasionally)
April 3rd, 2013 – 14:47
“I told you once, I won’t tell you again.”
Verity:
Dear Verity, I share your loathing of the crazy fanatical moslems, but writing about punishments you would give them is pointless. Just relieves hypertension and does not hurt the swine. Far better for you to return here and stand as an MP. I am serious.
“Ann Witticombe”
Seriously Anne, she’s no laughing matter…
🙂
So, the first charges under yewtree. And he’s a driver.
I’m concerned to learn that the sentencing of those vile creatures for manslaughter has been postponed until tomorrow. The judge, Mrs Justice Thurwall needs additional time to consider her decision. I am afraid that extreme political correctness will once again allow ‘uman rights to be consiered in protecting evil criminals. There is already concern that they will never escape their reputations in prison. I do hope I am wrong. Does anybody know the background, political stance, etc. of this judge?
EC
April 3rd, 2013 – 16:21
As my grandaughter would say, “Awesome”!
AWK 3rd, – 16:48
What I’m hearing on the news is that this lady, getting fed up with all the eulogies being declaimed by the defence QC, sharply interjected, questioning whether all of his relationships had involved violence. So I’m hopeful that her overnight ruminations will be properly focussed.
Frank P @ 13:28
“…nobody else else in America gives a shit about the Benghazi debacle,,,”
From the link within the link, to http://specialoperationsspeaks.com/index, it does seem though that there is a group of qualified and pretty determined retired military me who are not going to let the matter go.
Malfleur, I do not know why the Law And Freedom foundation has distanced itself from the EDL, but I would surmise that it does not want to be associated with the media smears of lawlessness the EDL has been subjected to.
The EDL will always be going uphill because any group like that will have MI (5) operatives planted in it to stir up trouble in public and, in so doing, trash the pressure group’s reputation.
That’s what that agency does.
And if you’re called the Law And Freedom Foundation you have to be distanced in the public eye from alleged lawlessness.
MI (5) sees its role as protecting the elites and stopping anyone who points to the lifeboats and causes a stir.
All this nonsense about ‘protecting the public’ is just so much hokum.
Who watches the watchers?
No one.
Power corrupts. And absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Ostrich (occasionally)
April 3rd, 2013 – 19:29
I hope you are correct. Just hope the lady isn’t one of those seemingly gentle souls who delight in rough violence.
I am so heartily sick of Operation Yewtree because it seems self-evidently designed to Savile’s worst crimes: his use of care homes and similar institutions where no-one can hear you scream.
Dressing room groping is clearly vile.
But those cases are being used as a smokescreen to detract from the big fish in the background: the politicians in Parliament, the lawyers, the police and social workers who clearly colluded with Savile and others and who still seem a law unto themselves these days – and who were doing much, much worse in the care homes.
And why was Savile given the keys to Broadmoor?
That can only have been signed off at the highest level by either a civil servant or a politician.
You don’t just ‘get the keys to Broadmoor’. And why have keys unless you’re gadding about at night up to no good?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4588301/Jimmy-Savile-was-given-the-keys-to-Broadmoor-under-Ken-Clarkes-watch.html
Just what the hell is going on?
I am prepared to keep an open mind on all the blogs I read, but, a bit like Lady Bracknell, I can allow one blog not to concern me, I do not think much of two, but when they are appearing by the dozen, all broadly with the same points and the same names cropping up again and again, I have to give some credence to the idea that this has all been going on with Establishment collusion.
And that at the top of the tree is MI (5), its members partaking in this filth, while using photos of the great and the good in compromising poses to control the upper tier in society.
http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/?p=10563
http://labour25.com/labour25/
Right!
Time for you lot to get out of your comfort zone and start counter-attacking the enmey.
Here’s a rather puerile and nasty example of a very pro-EU’ster whos blogs you might just want to comment on and refute, after your blood pressure settles down.
http://www.blogs.fi/user/grahnlaw/
A referendum on the BBC?
That seems worth supporting to me.
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3142/the_bbc_my_family_s_business
Roseanne – Welcome to the site, and thank you for your excellent posts!
Noa …Thank you for the above link. The writer is articulate and correct and people in Britain who have not been declared legally brain dead should feel no hesitation in signing her petititon.
The BBC is an appalling, Naziesque/Sovieetesque institutiion, is funded at gunpoint and serves only itself and an agenda that is anti-British and anti-democratic. I see that she mentions Biased BBC, which I recommended on this site around three or four months ago. If you haven’t been, do go. It exposes the BBC on a daily basis. From memory: biasedbbc.co.uk
I have said many times that they should get the security personnel and the cleaners, etc out of the building (and Terry Wogan and Rolf Harris if he is visiting) and blow the whole outfit to smithereens.
Then the free market could take over, as it should, in a democracy.
And the High Panjandrum Catherine Ashton hands over more of our money (EU13 million, via the EU), to support international terrorism and murder:-
http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/EU-to-release-148-million-to-Palestinian-Authority-307932
Roseanne- I second Verity’s comments. I enjoy your posts and look forward to more inciteful polemics.
Noa
April 3rd, 2013 – 20:30
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Verity
I was banned from using any of the BBC blogs a long time ago, because they are rascists and undemocratic. They are the true voice of marxist, fanatical muslims, so no more need be said. Anyway, I didn’t care as their blogs were so boring and unchallenging, but today I wanted to try out the “Class Questionaire” and discover into which classI fall. I know I am classless and above the mundane, but wanted to see what it showed. 🙂 Guess what, my details were all rejected, and no way could I enter their little game. So much for a public service for which I paid unwillingly, until I became a senior citizen.
Are you fiscally challenged since the Great Satan, (Ian Duncan-Smith that is). See the horns grow as he speaks in Beelzebub’s many tongues), decided to cut your bedroom tax.
Or, is that really an increase your tax, even though you don’t pay any. But that’s what the Eds’ and Harriet and that nice, balding Mr Byrne say, that the evil Tories are forcing you out of your own home even though your benefits have gone up and you can go on the fast breeder moneymaker Phillpot Pathway anytime you run a bit short of the spons and haven’t got the energy to break into the widows next door to lift her purse though her pensions not been paid yet because Kyle’s just come on the box and you’ve lit the biggest spliff seen since Rose Nose Day…
Anyway, here’s some ideas for how you won’t starve to death in your empty room because those great guys at the Daily Mash have come up with some ideas on how you can make it pay! But then the public school Bullingdon gits will just do a Thatcher on you and you’ll get a self assessment form from the Tax and that will affect your benefits and Help!
So you see we need a Labour government quick or otherwise we’re all going to starve together… and I’ve got to go down the Social now becase I’ve got an appealagainst the cuts, still i like that bedroom skunk growing idea because the price just keeps going up and up and we can barely afford to eat now and we’re definitely below the poverty line cause I drew it myself, just above the skirting board where the wall paper is peeling…
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/features/the-mash-guide-to-making-money-from-your-spare-bedroom-2013040364526
Der Beeb?
Herr Doughty shares da viewz of Verity
“..BBC news does not need a touch on the tiller. It needs an axe. It is smug, self-regarding, sloppy and overwhelmingly biased. It failed to report 15 years of mass immigration despite the deep concern of its audience; it has been unforgivably one-sided over the climate change scare and still is; it has for 20 years tried ceaselessly to paint Eurosceptics as flat-earthers, and it has failed in that too…”
Time he got off the fence and told us what he really thinks, don’t you think?
http://doughtyblog.dailymail.co.uk/2013/04/bbc-news-does-not-need-a-touch-on-the-tiller-it-needs-an-axe.html
AWK – Here is one blog you didn’t visit or get turned away from! I’ve recommended them before, and have been visiting them for around five or six years. They have gone from strength to strength. There are millions of people out there who loathe the BBC and all the slimy philosophies and tyrannies it represents.
http://biased-bbc.blogspot.co.uk/ Believe me, the chaps and chapesses who own and write this blog give no quarter.
To Noa – just above – and leave us not forget that it protected kiddie fiddler Jimmy Savile for years and years and years. All agree that his offences were common knowledge at Broadcasting Whore House. Which leads us to the question: Who else is it protecting, and for what offences? The question just occurred to me, but it is pertinent … if they protected the vile Jimmy Savile for two decades or more, who else is it protecting now? Surely Savile wasn’t a one-off. This seems to be a modus vivendi at the creepy Beeb.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2303644/Epidemic-health-tourists-costs-billions-Thousands-fly-UK-treatment-leave-paying–NHS-powerless-act.html
David Cowardy Custard will never shut the NHS doors to all but paying foreigners because he’s afraid he’ll be dubbed the worst word in the English language – “racist”. So he would rather squander literally BILLIONS OF POUNDS that you earned.
UK borders ought to be closed to all but legitimaate business people and REAL tourists who can demonstrate that they have money for emergencies. This could be in the form of a credit card that could be tested at the Immigration counter, or a bank statement or a wadge of cash. All others, bugger offf.
Indeed, it should be a requirement on all flights to Britain that the individuals flying tourist class be required to show that they have the means to support themselves and pay for unexpected emergency treatment.
More from the Beeb and C4’s favourite religion with advice for their noble freedom fighters.
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/new-fatwa-permits-rape-of-non-sunni-women-in-syria/
I meant to finish the sentence above “at the airport of origin”. They should not be allowed to board a plane to Britain without demonstrating adeequate means for emergencies, or the airline that let them board would be responsible for any medical bills incurred in Britain.
Time to close the door and clamp and padlock it shut, for all but legitimate business people, tourists who can prove they have funds, and diplomats whose governments are footing the bill. All olthers, don’t even think of booking.
The April edition of New English Review looks promising with an article on the late, great Orianna Fallaci, two by Theodore Dalrymple, a piece entitled ‘Must We Burn Derrida?’, an essay eon ‘Infinity, Eternity, and the Absolute’ by Rebecca Bynum on the conundrum of ‘the singularity’ which comments and and then reflects on ‘This assumes two essential things. One is that time is eternal and the other is that space is infinite. I wonder whether either of these premises is justified’; and in the daily ‘Iconclast’ blog which, for instance. on Easter Sunday ran a piece on persecuted Christians in the modern world at http://www.newenglishreview.org/bloga.cfm/blog_id/48336/Dies-Gloriae-XIV-From-Todays-Unknown-Murdered-Saints-To-The-Forgotten-Martyrs-Of-Our-Beginnings and on April 1st Peter Sellers on British accents, – all free, great value!!.
There is further material here for anyone interested in understanding what The English Defence League is; and what it isn’t:
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/04/keeping-a-close-eye-on-the-right-wing-part-4/
Telegraph blogger Damian Thompson thinks this is a sick and freakish ideas, but, actually, I think it is the first good idea a Saudi has ever had.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100210397/saudi-arabia-our-ally-is-planning-to-punish-a-prisoner-by-paralysing-him-what-a-sick-and-freakish-idea/
The perp attacked someone and left him paralysed. The victim has said he will drop charges if he gets a tidy little fortune in blood money. However, here is the bit I think should be carefully considered, in the absence of the blood money the victim is demanding, the Saudi government will paralyse the fellow to the same extent that the perp paralysed the victime.
Damian Thompson thinks this is a barbaric idea. He probably thinks the death penalty is barbaric, too. But the Saudis seem to be intending to take “an eye for an eye” seriously. And why not? Sensible countries, like the US, have the death penalty for causing the death of another. Why not expand it to the literal meaning of an eye for an eye? I think this would be a greater deterrent than a stretch in a British prison holiday camp, with choice of entrees (can’t find he acute accent), TVs, computers and gyms.
If a perp, through reckless driving, deprived someone of the use of a limb, I think that disabling the limb of a perp would be a much more effective deterrent than detention at HM’s pleasure.
Verity 4th, – 04:26
“Telegraph blogger Damian Thompson thinks this is a sick and freakish ideas, but, actually, I think it is the first good idea a Saudi has ever had.
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The perp attacked someone and left him paralysed.”
V, the ‘perp’ was 14 years old at the time. It was a knife fight between two Saudi kids. It happened over 10 years ago. Do we know if in modern Sordid Arabia the victim has had any of the modern treatment that may possibly reverse the paralysis? (Medicine has advance by leaps and bounds in that time).
Nah…I’m with Damian Thompson on this one.
Verity
April 3rd, 2013 – 23:50
Thanks!
I’m with Ostrich on this one. Eye for an Eye was always meant to be preserve a maximum degree of proportionality in Jewish law, it was not meant to be taken as a matter of course. English law always applied a price for injury.
Well the verdict is in, and the judge did the best she could. The fault lies in the weak, liberal laws which consider the criminal before the victim. Philpott received ‘Life’ which is a ridiculous title for a sentence which is NOT life. The woman and the friend each received 17 years. That is less than 3 years per child victim BEFORE time off. One can only hope that the law will be changed so that sentences are what they state they are, and that Britain will have no more Bleeding Hearts releasing prisoners because they are being bullied by other prisoners. Anybody remember the vile Maxine Carr?
I suspect mr philpott may be heading for a tragic accident in his cell as soon as backs are turned.
It’s come to something when you need to hope criminals deliver justice rather than the courts.
John birch@April 4th, 2013 – 14:25
no John, he will be put in protection out of the way of the nasties. Cos he will be seen as vulnerable.
Why cant we send him to Abu Ghraib?
AWK 4th, – 13:40
“Philpott received ‘Life’ which is a ridiculous title for a sentence which is NOT life.”
Indeed, but he’s 57 years old. He’ll be 72 when he’s served 15 years. There’s a not insignificant chance that, in this case, it might turn out to be ‘life’.
Ostrich Occasionally – 10:04 – Good morning, my time.
If the attack was years ago and the perp was under legal age, OK. But I still think it would be a good idea for adulr perps. It would make them think twice before they did something grotesque to another person and, if rhey did it anyway, and got sentenced to have the same thing done to them, he would serve as a useful reminder to others with violent inclincations.. This would be the way he would pay society back for his crime. In fact, I wouldn’t object to him being forced to wear a sign that said, “I blinded a man and was blinded in return.” Or “I crippled a man and the state crippled me in return.” An ambulatory reminder to arsholes everywhere! I think it would actually be more efficacious than a prison sentence, because in prison no one sees thembut fellow inmate. But with this plan, they ar ambulatory (or wheelchair bound, depending on their crime) reminders in the wider community that crime attracts horrendous punishmenet.
It is, in fact, along the line of public hangings, and public whippings, of which I also approve.
Ostrich (occasionally)
April 4th, 2013 – 14:28
AWK 4th, – 13:40
“Philpott received ‘Life’ which is a ridiculous title for a sentence which is NOT life.”
Indeed, but he’s 57 years old. He’ll be 72 when he’s served 15 years. There’s a not insignificant chance that, in this case, it might turn out to be ‘life’.
Ostrich (occasionally)
April 4th, 2013 – 14:28
AWK 4th, – 13:40
“Philpott received ‘Life’ which is a ridiculous title for a sentence which is NOT life.”
Indeed, but he’s 57 years old. He’ll be 72 when he’s served 15 years. There’s a not insignificant chance that, in this case, it might turn out to be ‘life’.
Ostrich (occasionally)
April 4th, 2013 – 14:28
AWK 4th, – 13:40
“Philpott received ‘Life’ which is a ridiculous title for a sentence which is NOT life.”
Indeed, but he’s 57 years old. He’ll be 72 when he’s served 15 years. There’s a not insignificant chance that, in this case, it might turn out to be ‘life’.
Ostrich (occasionally)
April 4th, 2013 – 14:28
AWK 4th, – 13:40
“Philpott received ‘Life’ which is a ridiculous title for a sentence which is NOT life.”
Indeed, but he’s 57 years old. He’ll be 72 when he’s served 15 years. There’s a not insignificant chance that, in this case, it might turn out to be ‘life’.
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He will be treated as vulnerable and will be well protected. No doubt crazy women will write to him, fall in love with him, and visit him in order to become impregnated.
Alexsandr
April 4th, 2013 – 14:27
I agree with uou.
John birch
April 4th, 2013 – 14:25
From your words to the Lord’s ear!
John Birch 14:25 – Thanks for a very telling take on the state of British “justice” (holds sides, laughing) when one counts on fellow prisoners to administer it in their own way.
Alexandr – Agreed! Publicise that we have signed a commercital deal with the Saudi government to ship all our violent criminals to them for sentencing and punishment as our courts and prisons are over-crowded. Even the stupidist perp will grasp what this means. If, in the sad event of a prisoner dying while being punished – kneeling in the blazing hot sand, say, shirtless, with his hands tied behind his back and left there while the Saudi punishment administor sailed off to the mosque for the bums up, this would be reported in the British papers and, for those who never learned to read, on the telly to concentrate the minds of aspirant criminals of similar disposition.
Ostrich 14:28 – “Indeed, but he’s 57 years old. He’ll be 72 when he’s served 15 years. There’s a not insignificant chance that, in this case, it might turn out to be ‘life’.” Insh’allah!
Verity
April 4th, 2013 – 14:52
Great! But can’t ever see it happening here.
anne wotana kaye
April 4th, 2013 – 15:08
Don’t know what went wrong here. Too many duplications!
Sorry
Going to go against the above on this one
I dont believe the state has the right to mutilate or kill its citizens, however vile their crimes.
I do think Philpott is vile and should rot in goal for the rest of his natural.
As for Tevez, how did he escape gaol? Driving while banned shows a flagrant disrespect for the law. Mebbe twas cos he could kick a ball a bit.
Just a little factoid for a Saturday. US President Andrew Jackson (b 1767, died 1824), it appears, was not much of a whiz at spelling. When he read over reports that his staff had presented to him, if he judged them factual, he wrote Orl Kerrect. Eventually, he shortened it, and signed off with OK and his initials.
Verity 4th, – 16:11
“and signed off with OK and his initials.”
And that, it is alleged, is the origin of the OK sauce bottle!
What a week for mainstream media propaganda!
David Miliband leaves a football club with no explanation as to why he was paid over £100,000 when he has never worked in football or why his new ‘charity’ salary is $300,000 or thereabouts – and he gets his chums in the media to take the heat off him by getting them to write about a man called Paolo Di Canio, who was going to the football club Miliband was leaving.
None of the journalists wrote about this man Di Canio with such vitriol before, even though he has previously been a football manager in the UK, but this week he was smeared day in, day out.
This is pure dictation.
Then Peter Oborne writes propaganda that – even for him – reaches a new low:
“David Cameron’s critics are wrong. He’s on the verge of something great”
There is just screeds of ridicule underneath it (when it has not been censored by moderators).
And it wouldn’t be the Telegraph if UKIP weren’t being smeared, would it?
This, too, has thousands of readers ridiculing its naked propaganda:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100210451/english-defence-league-leader-endorses-ukip-this-is-a-nightmare-for-nigel-farage/
Some of the comments underneath are interesting because they throw light on what happened to the BN P.
Commenters suggest it was sabotaged on the inside by MI (5) plants to destroy its financial base.
That would chime with the Press stance on BN P coverage when they got two MEPs.
There was a phase when the Press had them in the papers lots, where they smeared them and then after that European election, where they won two seats, it was obviously agreed between party leaders and media owners that the coverage had only helped them get votes and so the coverage stopped very quickly and it was left to MI (5) to destroy the whole thing from within, mainly it seems via financial destruction.
We are living in Orwell’s nightmare with bells and whistles on it.
Malfluer
Thank you for the monthly pointer to the New English Review. If you didn’t mention it I would probably never remember to look at it.
Perhaps Peter would consider including it on the Wall’s blogroll.
Along with, may I suggest, Richard North’s invaluable EU Referendum and James Delingpole’s Bogpaper.com
Man (Quentin Letts) v Chewing gum.
As fine a rant as any I’ve read this week. And one tax I could support, make it 1000%, as long as its proceeds were directed to cleaning its disgusting results. And any surplus directed to providing decent port and cigars to long oppressed smokers in public bars.
“…Councils are spending £150 million a year to clean gum off pavements. That is half the annual value of the UK chewing gum market, and it is coming out of taxpayers’ funds. It has become a plague.
Some 90 per cent of the gum we consume is made by Wrigley. You might conclude that with such a healthy business the company would cheerfully cover the cost of cleaning up the mess its customers make. Dream on!”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2303053/These-vile-blobs-defile-streets-Stick-tax-gum-George.html#ixzz2PWtSJNjd
My favourite Quentin Letts piece of late.
No wonder this wretched mand of the cloth is losing his congregation.
He consigns his flock to politically correct genocide and then plays Punjabi music and has Nigerian dancers to step on the white race’s grave:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2297267/Justin-Welby-African-dancers-bongo-drums-Punjabi-hymn-Britains-new-Archbishop-Canterbury.html
“Yoo-be-dooing” – says it all!
Re-posted from Douglas Murray’s Speccie blog on welfare (the comments thread seems to have gone cold):
Welfare dependency should not be considered in isolation.
As little as 40 years ago, it was quite usual for a couple in their 20s to start a family funded by just one average full time income, buying a house on a mortgage from a frugally minded building society, and with little assistance from the state – I think there was something fairly modest called family allowance.
Nowadays that is pretty well impossible. Families on well above average incomes expect – and arguably need – child benefit, and low-cost child care is demanded so that both parents can work full time.
The alternative is to enter the welfare system full time, where cash and benefits in kind are handed out purely on the basis of perceived need.
This is an enormous change in the space of less than two generations, and has spawned a mindset where some kind of state dependency is seen as a normal part of life for people prosperous and poor.
How did the economy come to be so skewed? Did no one “in charge” foresee this?
Frank Sutton – 22:54
Frank, as you well know, those ‘in charge’ planned it because they like being ‘in charge’.
In fact, the more they are ‘in charge’, the more they like it!
Here is a dynamite article, from the other place, by a UK cancer surgeon on abuse of the NHS by foreign visitors. He says it runs into billions of taxpayer pounds annually. It is mind-boggling and I am surprised that The Speccie published it. Perhaps the editor was out of the office … Why oh why do the British tolerate this abuse of a very costly service paid for by British people who work for a living? Why does this laughable “government”, if such it can be styled, tolerate this abuse of its own citizens in their own land?
Yes, David Shamoron, I am looking at your sleazy, sly blancmange face. Blancmange wobbles, and so do you.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8880071/international-health-service/
Frank Sutton, above, writes, “How did the economy come to be so skewed? Did no one “in charge” foresee this?”
Of course they did! This has been a deliberate destruction of Britain as a cohesive society, and its melding into a dependency society … the money being shared by indigines and intruding newcomers alike. At the trough, all animals are equal.
Roseanne
At least the drummers put some trousers on.
http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/we-are-at-the-crossroads-for-our-children/
Indeed we are.
The notion that we should have the Human Right to “marry” absolutely anyone has just acquired a bizarre new attraction – it’s now being suggested that it can result in a very useful tax advantage. There isn’t much in today’s world to cause merriment but this idea should brighten everyone’s day considerably –
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2303908/Jeremy-Irons-claims-gay-weddings-used-inheritance-tax-dodge.html
Of course many of them will never experience whatever choice we make at the crossroads; some interesting statistics:
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com/2013/04/the-human-cost.html
Not sure what the statistics prove, except that we are a strange species – very strange indeed.
Assuming that your God exists, Peter; how does He think His little ‘free will’ experiment is going? Of course He already knows how it will turn out? Perhaps all those “lumps of nonviable parasitic tissue” have a special place in heaven?
Then there’s the question of the Mick Philpotts of this mortal coil … would earth – and heaven – have been better had he been one of those 55,000,000 who were whacked in the womb, I wonder?
Frank P, I suppose I would say that you need to look a little more carefully at the world around you, and see what is good and kind and generous. And I suppose I would say that we all need to look a little more carefully at ourselves and see whether we are adding to the sum of human misery or relieving it. Mick Philpott will be judged by a judge who judges truthfully and without fear or favour.
I’ll ask the question again as to what sort of world it would be if you did not have free will. Certainly the political class aspires to creating such a world. It seems odd that people demand free will and then when others exercise it wish to blame God for allowing them them exercise of it. We would not be human if we did not have free will. We could not become mature if we did not have free will. That some will choose evil is a given if there is a choice. But without a choice we would be robots or animals.
We could all ask profitably what we have done with our freedom to choose before blaming God for giving it.
“..Then there’s the question of the Mick Philpotts of this mortal coil … would earth – and heaven – have been better had he been one of those 55,000,000 who were whacked in the womb, I wonder?”
Ther’s certainly an argument for saying that his marital equipment should have been treated at puberty with the sort of chemicals the Saudis are applying to Ali Al-Khawahir.
In fact, having watched the foolish OAP Baroness Warnock on Newsnight it could be applied with equal efficacy to her vocal chords.
Verity
It’s not just the Speccie carrying a story about non contributors abusing the NHS. Sue Reid also wrote on the subject yesterday. Is it coincidence? Or is there some real conservative pressure on this pathetic Coalition to at least acknowledge issues, even if they are not prepared, or incapable of doing anything about them?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2304268/Yesterday-Mail-revealed-health-tourism-costing-NHS-billions-Here-readers-tell-THEIR-stories.html
Frank P, I note on the site you linked to a graphic with the text…
If it is through propaganda that people thoughtlessly accept the claims of the state, then it is through education that people must be brought to their senses. Lew Rockwell
I agree entirely and this is the motivation for some of the programmes I hope to be able to initiate.
Frank P, every aborted and miscarried child is of inestimable worth and already enjoys a state of blessedness. Some dear friends of mine recently lost their unborn child and I comforted them as best I was able with the thought that their child was already in that state we might hope for, would be filled with the special glory of never having done wrong, and would be waiting to greet them.
Excuse me? What is the point of moving a 4000 km range missile to the east coast of NK from, well, anywhere in North Korea?
“Mick Philpott will be judged by a judge who judges truthfully and without fear or favour.”
Unfortunately the judge in this world does not have the authority to dispatch him with sufficient celerity to stand before the senior tribunal in the next.
Noa, my only objection to the death penalty (although in this case Philpott escaped with a manslaughter conviction) is that I do believe the judiciary is too corrupt to be trusted with it.
Peter
“…I do believe the judiciary is too corrupt to be trusted with it.”
Corrupt? Leftward leaning, remote, unworldly, with a tendency to be idiots (e.g. praising the heroism of burglars), drunks or Europhiles? Yes.
But the judiciary in the UK remains largely incorruptible and far more honest than their European contemporaries. The primary reason is that one can earn far more at the Bar than as a judge and one cannot be dismissed by politicians. Their continental contemporaries, on the other hand, developed through the Roman and Civil codes are dedicated judges and nothing else.
I think that all the things you describe may be considered to be a corruption. People are not only corrupted by money. They may perhaps be better than the judiciary in other places but I would still not trust the British judiciary to provide proper justice.
Frank P
I’ve always thought that, if we hadn’t aborted over 8,000,000 unborn children in the UK, at public expense, more than the number of Jews murdered in by the Nazis in WWII, there would not have been any justifiable argument for the mass importation of fecund foreigners to replenish the UK’s stock.
But this is why abortion is encouraged. It reduces our own native birth rate. Our political class do not believe in nationalities. We are entirely replaceable as far as they are concerned. And this is what they are happy to bring about. The highest birth rate among white British is among those who are dependent on the state. So its win-win. Either more members of the client state are produced, or less white British people are born.
And in those terms, the client state feeds a gene pool of exponentially increasing idiots, whilst the taxes of a rapidly diminishing and impoverished middle class is required to support them.
“…Our political class do not believe in nationalities. We are entirely replaceable as far as they are concerned…”
Except that, tax-wise, we are not. The various newly arrived ethnic population elements are net non-contributers, remitting far more overseas to their ancestral homelands than their UK equivalents.
The result of this logical internarionalist fallacy, applied by both Tories and Labour to UK industry as much as its people, has been the progressive transfer abroad of UK industrial, financial, intellectual and human assets to the point where we are now a basket case almost beyond salvage or even recognition.
And a further
There’s an amusing post by Rod Liddle and a debate running on the ruling elite, and the rest of us, at t’other place:-
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/rod-liddle/2013/04/the-workers-united-will-never-be-defeated/
I think that our rulers still believe there is enough wealth in the nation and scope for money printing to keep going a long while yet.
Peter from Maidstone@April 5th, 2013 – 14:16
‘But this is why abortion is encouraged. It reduces our own native birth rate. Our political class do not believe in nationalities. We are entirely replaceable as far as they are concerned. And this is what they are happy to bring about. The highest birth rate among white British is among those who are dependent on the state. So its win-win. Either more members of the client state are produced, or less white British people are born.’
but if the tax and benefit system were rebalanced away from claimants and back to the earners, then the children would be born to the earning households, surely?
Noa 10:33 — Who the hell is Sue Reid? People who are household names in Britain are not necessarily known to the hundreds of thousand expat Brits around the world! As I don’t know who she is, I have no idea what standpoint she is writing from, so didn’t bother to read her thoughts.
Noa 14:01 – Corrupt doesn’t just involve money. It involves the self-indulgence and self-jsutification and refusing to listen to those they deem unworthy of their consideration. The British judiciary – in that it tries to impose its own Weltanschaunng on the population rather than the written law.
P from M 14:05 – directly following Noa’s point to which I responded … yes, that is what I intended to say and you said better!
Noa – I do whole heartedly agree with your point at 4:11 though!
nice article on conhome
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/localgovernment/2013/03/ukip-make-county-council-elections-hard-to-predict.html
reading the comment all the posts are saying the tories are rubbish and they will vote UKIP.
Well either the tory core vote is collapsing or someone is orchestrating it.
May 4th will be very interesting. (Well the 5th when the results come out)
Whats the betting on some tory MP’s defecting to UKIP on 5th May?
Alexsandr, I am not convinced that the present PR about welfare reform is intended to be other than smoke and mirrors. I do not believe there will be any rebalancing unless there is a revolution.
Verity
It’s not my responsibility to provide you with the easily accessible biographical histories of well known UK journalists. If you wish to limit your reading to those journalist that you know that is your choice.
My point was that if two articles about foreigners abuse of the NHS are published at the same time, there is a reason, and it’s probably due to Desperate Dave deviously spinning on his current ‘look at me I’m anti-immigrant’ ploy.
I simply do not accept your argument that judges are institutionally morally corrupt. To propose this seriously is as fatuous as the McPherson Report arguing that the Metropolitan Police were institutionally racist- equally subjective, wrong and completely unprovable. Their views and thinking are often, but not invariably bien pensant and left leaning, but that is not corrupt or evidence of corruption.
Judges are tightly constrained by Justice and Sentencing policies. And it’s not them, but the politicians that for example, abolished the death penalty or operate a near mandatory 50% reduction in prison time served following the sentence on convicted criminals.
Noa, if I didn’t read certain journalists when I was in the UK, I sure as hell am not going to bother with them from this distance!! I do, though, agree with you whole heartedly that two simultaneous articles on foreigners ripping off the NHS is beyond suspicious, and the finger of suspicion points at Desperate Dave.
I disagree with you about the judges, although I should not have written a blanket condemnation. But I think politically corrupt judges are a problem in the UK and the pragmatic American practice of electing judges (all but the Supreme Court judges) is an excellent role model. They are on the side of the citizens who can exercise their vote. (In the US, you cannot exercise your vote while incarcerated.)
Verity
We generally agree more often than not and disagreement is what invigorates a sometimes jaded Wall!
On judges being elected in the US, I would contend that judges are much more prone to be corrupt there. In the UK, on my direct observation, competent and honest judges are the rule, not the exception.
A judge here can earn five to ten times the income as a Silk than as a judge. They have no incentive to dishonesty. A propensity to unreality is quite another matter.;-)
Verity, the last thing I’d support is elected judges. If the judiciary is already corrupt then how on earth could it be less corrupt if it was beholden to the mob?
Noa, it would perhaps be useful for us to consider the sentencing in a large number of recent cases to consider whether or not the judiciary has been compromised by the common purpose agenda.
I mean especially the most serious cases, and those in which there is scope for political correctness.
Whilst we are considering the English legal system I don’t agree with UKIP MEP Paul Nuttall’s hyperbole that we in the UK have the ‘finest legal system in the world’ but I certainly oppose these sinister first steps towards the centralisation of criminal justice to Brussels:-
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/79119/british-justice-fears
Peter
Sufficient Statist controlling laws are already in place to make us all habitual criminals if the State wants to extend a lazy finger towards any citizen it wants to make an example of.
Frenzied Labour government law making, including a politically corrupt morass of stalinist, subjective ‘equality’ and ‘hate’ crimes together with a politically re-modelled CPS and ‘re-pointed’ Police ‘service’ means that the penultimate end product of the Justice system, the trial, actually required little or no change.
The essence of a crime; the Actus Reus and the Mens Rea, remain matters of fact for a jury to determine under the legal direction of a judge.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blairs-frenzied-law-making–a-new-offence-for-every-day-spent-in-office-412072.html
The EU is really getting into gear now! Live, work, study and retire anywhere you want – at someone else’s expense of course.
The ‘related document’ links are of particular interest.
http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=850&langId=en
Noa, Verity et al –
“Corrupt” can include a good many undesirable attributes but I don’t believe that there’s much corruption among either British or Canadian judges in the sense that they can be bribed.
But as Noa says, propensity to unreality is quite another matter. Even at the highest levels, there are alarming examples of the willingness of some judges to ignore sound precedent – and to distort the meaning of statute law – in order to enforce politically correct notions. It’s a form of corruption that is really intellectual dishonesty.
Herbert, I am not using corrupt in the sense of being liable to be bribed. But where there is no justice, and socialism can never be just, then there is a corruption of justice.
Guardianistas – the cartoons
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3172/guardianistas_happy_birthday_the_commentator_edition
Peter from Maidstone
April 5th, 2013 – 17:42
You are correct. Personal experience justifies my views on magistrates and the judiciary in general. I attended school many decades ago with a very sly young girl. She was bright and had a good sense of humour, but she was also a sneak and would commit schoolgirl offences and then blame other children. Many years later we met by accident and I learned that she was a magistrate. Knowing that she had fallen foul of the law for cheating London Transport as a teeager, I asked her how she had became a magistrate. Without shame, she merrily laughed and said that being a ‘big shot’ in the local socialist party had helped her climb the greasy pole.
It’s great to see young. talented, still largely unknown journalists like Robert Phillips propounding sound libertarian policies for the UK. Am excellent guide and checklist.
One to cut out and keep, or I suppose, link for reference these days.
“…Full and unequivocal withdrawal from the European Union. With a high proportion of the UK electorate known to be hostile to a federated EU it seems like a waste of time and money to go ahead with a referendum on membership.
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3154/a_101_guide_for_the_idiots_in_number_10/page/2
Having said that-I oppose his drug legalisation policy.
PfM – Agreed.
Noa – You say – “The essence of a crime; the Actus Reus and the Mens Rea, remain matters of fact for a jury to determine under the legal direction of a judge.”
I’m a bit out of touch now, so I maybe mistaken, but I have the impression that there are a now instances where the presence of Actus Reus and Mens Rea is decided by a judge alone and others where Mens Rea is not necessary?
However, at the same time, I no longer feel that the presence of Mens Rea is can be safely entrusted to the mind of a judge.
Imagine (for example) it becomes an offence (either by Act of Parliament, or because a judge deems it to constitute a ‘hate crime’) – to boycott a shop because it is run by a Pakistani Muslim, or because it’s run by a pair of gays.
For this you are prosecuted, and the prosecution proves that you never shop there and instead always go to a differently owned shop very inconveniently situated several miles away.
I should not be surprised if a judge were to determine not only that the Actus Reus had been proved, but that it was correct to infer the clear presence of Mens Rea.
What, me paranoid? Well, why not? I can even imagine things going a step further and it becoming a crime to be paranoid.
Herbert Thornton
Like you, I’m a little out of touch, hence my implicit reservation about the determination of a crime under the new and subjective equality and hate offences.
I find your analysis of how they are determined all too plausible. Though I believe the test for ‘hate’ is whether the ‘offended’ party thinks they are hated. Not much room for judicial discretion there, unless there is a specific or judicially implied test of ‘reasonableness’ to be applied.
P from M 16:35 – I am sure that there are a few corrupt judges in a population of 313m, they are comparatively rare. Don’t forget, if a judge is suspected of being bent … if there’s a mere whisper … come election time, they will be out on their ear. And no one will retain an attorney who got shoved out of elected office, meaning, they would be finished professionally.
Don’t forget, British judges do not answer to the electorate. They answer to colleagues and buddies. American judges, if they hope to be reelected answer to hundreds of thousands of voters. You cannot better the American system. i speak from 12 years experience of living in the United States, and their system is better.
Verity, you miss my point. Corruption is not about taking bribes it is about failing to provide justice. Judges dependent on the mob will not provide justice.
In view of the discussion about courts, judges and juries above, the short article by Daniel Johnson, editor of Standpoint, in his Manchester Square column in March and based on his service on a jury at Southwark Crown Court in January, may be of interest:
http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/4850/full
He ends his piece as follows:
“Beyond the Anglosphere, the blessings of common law are actually quite uncommon; without it, the world would be a much worse place. That pioneer of constitutional monarchies and republics, John Locke, put it best in his Two Treatises of Government: “Where law ends, tyranny begins.” And any ruler who is above the law — as the EU institutions are in effect — is a tyrant.”
The Christian Science Monitor is asking whether, if North Korea tests a missile, the U.S will shoot it down –
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/0405/If-North-Korea-tests-missile-might-US-shoot-it-down?nav=87-frontpage-entryLeadStory
My assessment is that North Korea will shortly launch one or even two missiles. They will not carry warheads, but they will follow a path that will take them over South Korea or Japan.
North Korea will declare that they are ‘tests’ to demonstrate that the missiles work.
But North Korea’s bigger purpose will be make South Korea, Japan and the U.S. lose face as the result of ignoring the launches.
On the other hand, if they are shot down, Kim Jong Un will lose face.
I think that there is a strong possibility that they will be shot down.
Assuming that they are shot down, I wonder who would like to speculate on what will follow after that?
Herbert Thornton
Kim Jong Un will announce that his missiles shot down the missiles which the USA had fired at North Korea.
P from M – What is a mob? A group of people who value their vote enough to go to the polls? You think the votes of a few miscrecreants, or otherewise violent people will outnumber the votes of the law-abiding sensible citizens who vote for law and order? You honestly think a bent judge in any paraticular constituency could get enough votes to outweigh those of honest, normal citizens? I cannot imagine this in any American constituency. Voting for judges motivates the judge to uphold justice and law and order.
Do you really think that anti-social people go to the polls and, what is more, garner an immense crowd of like-minded scoff-laws to turn up at the polls and vote? The idea is utterly absurd. Maybe in what Americans call “the projects” a bunch will turn out and vote negatively, if they are not too stoned to have forgotten the day and where the polling station is, but it is irrelevant. We are not talking about MPs or Congresspeople. We are talking about judges. A bent judge would never make it into the polls, never mind onto a state bench.
Your points are based on a misunderstanding of the American system of voting for judges and sheriffs, which is superior to our own.
I am not sayinig there are no bent judges, but anyone offering a huge payoff, or even a small payoff, to a judge would be taking a terrible risk and, if discovered the judge would go to the pokey … in other words, a real deterrent … sent there by other judges.
I am not going to argue this any further as you do not know the American system and you relate it to Britain’s, which is corrupt.
And do not forget, as I will remind readers one more time, that non-citizens cannot vote in the United States. It doesn’t matter how law-abiding you are or how much you have paid in taxes, if you are not a citizen, you don’t have a vote.
Herbert Thornton … of course they will be shot down! China will send up planes to blast them out of the sky. I am not sure, but I believe the S Koreans are kept on a tighter leash, via American aid, than the Chinese, who do what they deem best for China. Best for China includes, I am sure, the abject defeat of N Korea.
Malfleur (6 April 02:31) –
Your forecast is very plausible indeed. It makes me think that one of the courses taught at Kim Jong Un’s Swiss Finishing School was the art of Hutzpah.
Mark Steyn on the ever increasing intolerance of liberal thought:
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/gay-502852-don-homosexual.html
Herbert Thornton
Geronimo! Saviour of the Nation!
I see that in the wee hours, Frank P is getting a bit disappointed in God’s leadership of the Universe (April 5th @ 1:51) as if, heaven forbid, He might have previous :”… how does He think His little ‘free will’ experiment is going? Of course He already knows how it will turn out?”
I can imagine Disgruntled of Norfolk grumbling on to himself:
“If the salvation of the human race is dependent on a religion led by the multi-monikered Mr. Yahweh (whatever He chooses to call Himself in whichever country He happens to be operating, for whatever purpose), then we are even more cattle-trucked as a species than I already feared”.
Is this though really an “experiment”, as though all kinds of conventional options had been tried. What is the alternative to Man with free-will? Answer: Man as slave. Which option would you prefer God to choose? Even if you take the most attractive choice, which I have to say has a certain appeal to me, of a life in which each of us lived in a state of orgasmic bliss, we would still be slaves as I believe Aldous Huxley explained in Brave New World, and we would be slaves because we had no choice – to say ‘no orgasm today, thank You very much’. To have free choice, we have to have the ability to break the rules.
Frank P might argue, and I suppose I argue myself as I engage with the difficulties of belief and the mystery of just about everything, that he is simply pointing out how absurd the very idea of God is because of the unbearable misery that such a conception entails; how kind of God to give us free will so that we may torture each other.
Does the alternative view hold that reality is a mechanical construct ending in personal extinction for each of us as certain of the physicists and the contemporary atheists such as Richard Dawkins or commentators like Christopher Hitchens propose? Or is the evidence for spirit, which remains unexplained by the scientists but which is revealed in us when something in us responds to, for example, a piece of music by Bach, a clue to there being more to reality than materialism? The physicists have recourse at present in their explanations for the creation to a “singularity”, a problematic conception which we have looked at a couple of times on this site in the last years.
Rebecca Bynum in her article in the NER which I linked above nails down the paradox: ” Exploding matter could not create time and space, because time and space had to be present before matter (or matter-energy) could explode within it.”
So happily, or not, the possibility of God remains open…
Ms. Bynum goes on though. She invokes the theory that God created Man with free-will because God was lonely. Now, if He could do that, He could also make sure that He did (does) NOT know how the human story will end. Frank P’s statement that “Of course He already knows how it will turn out?” is not as self-evident as at first appears. God may be omniscient, but he is also all powerful and can decide to withdraw from the world and not know the consequences of his creation.
More material for the wee hours for all of us, I think. In the meantime, perhaps it is not too late for Sir Michael Jagger to write a late song: Sympathy for God.
Verity, again you miss my point. Corruption is not about taking bribes it is about the corruption of justice.
If you believe in the power of unlimited democracy then you can’t complain when people vote for things you disagree with. And you can’t both insist that people only vote wisely and castigate the US people for voting a second time for Obama.
The fact is that if justice is subject to vote and not to law then it will be corrupt.
Good points Malfleur. I find the world difficult but not misery. There is effort required but effort is always required for maturity and fruitfulness.
I woke early this morning to take one of my teenage daughters to work at a hotel Saturday job. It was not an experience of bliss but there is a mature blessing in encouraging a child to work even if it costs.
In an hour or so I shall be watching my youngest child play football. It will not be bliss. But there is also the blessing of encouraging a child to play a sport as part of a team even if it means I must stand in the cold.
Through my French windows in my small and humble Victorian terrace I can see the sun rising in a clear sky. There are many things I need to do each day but I have gratefully learned to do only those things that need doing today. Tomorrow will have cares enough of its own.
Yesterday I had the pleasure of spending three hours talking with a philosophy lecturer from one of our leading universities about Christianity. Today I have other equally interesting activities I am committed to.
There is misery in the world undoubtedly. But every where I look around me I find blessings. It is a sad person indeed whose eyes are darkened such that they see only a passing evil.
Even in our present political circumstances I do not despair but am glad for growing relationships with others who care. There are blessings everywhere if we count them and consider them.
May I recommend listening go the lectures and debates of Professor John Lennox, a Cambridge mathematician and physicist who writes interesting and scientifically dense material about the existence of God.
http://www.johnlennox.org
Gordon Brown
Where is this foul and pestilent congregation of vapours? His moral compass seems to have led him off 180 degrees from the House of Commons. Has he been missed? – no. Is he mentioned by colleagues? No. Is he the subject of criticism or regret by the Coalition? No. His name has been scrubbed from the book of life by the great and the good. He is become an airy nothing.
May we call on his colleagues in the House to follow him? They are no longer our elected representatives; they are our elected unrepresentatives. For all the good they have been doing lately,they might as well be merely sounding brass and tinkling cymbals seated in the Strangers Gallery.
Tebbit in fine waspish form in the DT today:
Mr David Miliband… as we all now know, has become bored and fed up with representing his constituents at South Shields for what, to a socialist of his standing, is no more than a pittance, and is going off to a £300,000 job in America to fight poverty.
Malfleur 09.33
Spot on.
Malfleur 08.19:
Rebecca Bynum in her article in the NER nails down the paradox: ” Exploding matter could not create time and space, because time and space had to be present before matter (or matter-energy) could explode within it.”
I think Rebecca Bynum’s take on big bang theory varies from the standard version (which doesn’t mean she is wrong, of course); the theory, as far as I can grasp it, is that time and space were created by the big bang.
Either way, I feel that cosmology has no conclusive answer to the question of God’s existence.
The Korean situation seems to be at the very least, intriguing – all sorts of ‘what ifs’ and ‘then whats?’
I suggest we jump forwards and imagine that it all results in the re-unification of the whole of Korea into one country.
That of course (unless most of Korea had been thoroughly nuked) would be a Korea that combined the nuclear capacity and armed forces of North Korea with the industrial capacity and wealth of South Korea.
Now let’s consider – what sort of regime would China want to see in charge of it?
Or would China prefer that there be no re-unification?
Herbert Thornton
April 6th, 2013 – 17:32
…..Now let’s consider – what sort of regime would China want to see in charge of it?
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A Chinese one!
Listen to John Lennox. Nothing cannot create something.
Herbert T and AWK – China would prefer a united, pacific and wealthy Korea. It is perfectly easy with a wealthy and industrious Japan. It’s N Korea that has to be fixed.
…..Now let’s consider – what sort of regime would China want to see in charge of it?
=====================================
A Chinese one!
Verity
April 6th, 2013 – 18:33
Herbert T and AWK – China would prefer a united, pacific and wealthy Korea. It is perfectly easy with a wealthy and industrious Japan. It’s N Korea that has to be fixed.
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I wonder? More like “a united, PASSIVE and wealthy Korea…….” By the way, what’s happening with the dispute on the Spratly Islands?
North Korea rattles Obama’s cage as Kirchner rattles Cameron’s.
Soft power? Unless you can back it up with hard power-and be prepared to use it.
It really is a matter of testing whether either of them is really the cock o’the schoolyard or is just all mouth and no trousers.
Personally, I don’t believe either of them has the moral courage to challenge and face down real evil of Satanic quality.
But that’s just my opinion.
China has complete control over North Korea. What it does is what China wants. It is utterly dependent for tomorrows food and power on China. China owns North Korea and is using it as a proxy.
An excellent post by the idiosyncratic Moraymint. An ever more complex society will, inevitably, collapse.
http://moraymint.wordpress.com/2013/04/06/chaos-at-her-majestys-revenue-customs/
Perhaps he’s right.
A remote Scottish island, a decent collection of semi-automatic weaponry, two years of Heinz Baked Beans in the larder and a stash of tola bars hidden in the hills probably is the way to go.
And as a bonus, you may get the opportunity to pot Alex Salmond as the little sod tries to land and borrow a bag of sugar from you.
Peter
In essence your point is that China is simply calling in the debt by using a wrong ‘Un.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/china-poised-to-play-debt-card-for-u-s-land/
http://www.davemanuel.com/us-national-debt-clock.php
Of course you may be right.
And if it all does go bad with China, what are our soldiers going to wear?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/6844734/British-Army-to-get-new-uniforms-turned-down-by-the-US-and-made-in-China.html
Uniforms by K-Mart?
Anyone else seen the (supposed?) Ukip poster that is doing the rounds on Twitter?It shows an indigenous North American in full regalia and the words:”He didn’t object to immigration,he now lives on a reservation.”
So is it genuine?
I don’t think that China gives a monkey’s about US ‘over consumption’ it is, after all, along with an artificially low renminbi, what put them where they are today. What they might be concerned about is having their holdings inflated away and even our modern day Manchurian Candidate has to avoid allowing a large scale conversion of their $ debt into something more concrete.
Lets face it, the Chinese are locked into something Mao would be horrified at – hundreds of millions of folk off the land in the space of a very few years and utterly reliant on jobs that depend on the West’s ‘over consumption’ and their own domestic market incapable and unwilling to take up enough of the slack.
anne wotana kaye @ 18:44
‘By the way, what’s happening with the dispute on the Spratly Islands?’
As at March 27th:
“PLA Navy amphibious task force reaches Malaysia ‘to defend South China sea’ ”
http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1200564/pla-navy-amphibious-task-force-reaches-james-shoal-near-malaysia
Noa @ 19:16
With that diet, you will need some kind of device to channel the methane gas to the stove to heat the beans – unless tola bars are some kind of antidote. What are they btw?
Malfleur.
Beanz- do the ecological aspects merit greater consideration than the simple requirement for oxygen?
And as an expat I’m surprised you don’t have your own stock of Tola bars.
A quick Google will explain all, far better than either I or the Chairman of Laiki Bank ever could!
Noa
I hadn’t heard of the tola bar. It seems they are some kind of Indian thing, with tola coming for the sanskrit for weight.
I agree with you though that that’s the place to be. Kitco in Hong Kong has just added this Canadian to its stall – good to have a few in your back pocket when the hard rain starts to fall…:
https://online.kitco.com/products/10092/1_oz_RCM_Gold_Bar.html
Malfleur
They used to be sold in the gold souk in Riyadh, probably still are.
A handy way to provide a little personal insurance for life’s vicissitudes and and challenges, especially the ones presented by Britain’s periodic socialist governments.
I hope anybody getting a bit over-exercised about this has a sense of humour…
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/9978_524558497590498_53910008_n.jpg
I’m a bit surprised to read opinions that Kim Jong Un & North Koreans are behaving entirely in accordance with Chinese instructions.
However, assuming that is indeed the true situation, what does China plan to be the outcome?
In particular, is China aiming for the whole of Korea to become a united and nuclear power under the nominal rule of Kim Jong Un? That doesn’t seem (to me) to be plausible.
Forgive me if this link has already been posted (I’ve been preoccupied with clinical exigencies and not keeping up with the craic) but it is one that should not be missed in the morass of mindless media muck that is threatening to suffocate us all:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/344835/vigilance-vigilantes-mark-steyn
Genius!
Oh, for gawd’s sake; Herbert T … China likes the status quo. It is doing well selling things to the West (Beijing has several Ikea stores), the people ion the cities are fashionably dressed and the Chinese entrepreneurial spirit is thriving. The last thing they want (or will tolerate) is a dork like N Korea blundering around and giving the West the idea that everyone with slanty eyes is crazy.
Malfleur
‘Sir Michael Jagger’ – proof positive that there is no ‘God’ and that the existence of homo sapiens is not only accidental – it is a shaggy dog story with no punch-line.
Verity (6 April 22:44)
I incline to agree with you – and hope that we’re both right. My questions were sparked by PfM’s apparent view that North Korea doesn’t act on its own and is a complete puppet of China.
Ostrich-21.51
A GSOH?
Around here?
Duh, ok.
Frank P 23:09 – Ha ha ha ha ha ha! The tail isn’t even wagging the dog. Why people think that China must be controlling N Korea because they both have slanty eyes is a mystery. The Chinese are very, very intriguing and clever people. They don’t need a puppet. If they wantted to do something, they would do it. North Korea is a nut case. I like the Koreans and the S Koreans have a very good sense of humour, but I am sure they are horrified by this nut job in the North. I am completely convinced that he is acting on his own. Poor S Korea is probably on high alert for retaliations, which is a shame because they are warm, friendly and funny people.
Herbert T – I think PfM is wrong and that the N Koreans are indeed acting on their own, under orders from a nut job- From what I know of the Chinese, having lived among them, is, they dono’t leave anything to chance when they make plans. This means no loose cannons. China is not involved in this.
On China and N K.
IMNVHO it doesn’t matter whether China is in complete control of NK as long as we understand that NK is likely to be operating within very clearly defined international policy parameters set by China. At present we have a bellicose bunch of idiots living the high life and holding a gun to SK and the USA’s head and the best thing about it for NK and China is that the US and SK pay for the privilege (with little aid bonuses from China). SK and the USA pay for the privilege of a Chinese proxy continually testing their resolve which is a very useful pawn for the Chinese to have. We have a lot of recent history to show China that he who pays the piper (the USA and SK) will accept being spat in the face – or shot – or sank.
As I’ve said before if the Americans (or the West) had any bollocks they would call the gruesome twosome’s bluff and stop all bilateral trade and appeasement aid and leave the NK’s to the Chinese. Let the Chinese foot the bill for their bellicose proxy. The Chinese know full well that the US, or anyone else for that matter, are not obliged to fund these lunatics and they can leave them to forge their way in the world in the arms of the Chinese who can and will dictate their international policy.
Hex’geezer.00.10
In short. Nuke da ba’stewards if dey dis’respec’ ya.
AB sums up the Korean situation perfectly, with Bismarckian simplicity :
http://alexanderboot.com/content/why-don%E2%80%99t-they-hit-them-firsthttp://alexanderboot.com/content/why-don%E2%80%99t-they-hit-them-first
Blud und eisen! What are we hanging about for? Let the blitzkrieg commence!
…. followed by a courageous ‘outing’ of Cap’n Bob’s real role and the reason for his ‘suicide’:
http://alexanderboot.com/content/cap%E2%80%99n-bob-kgb
Fascinating stuff from someone who knows his onions. Next instalment Harold Wilson and his connection with the Anglo-Israeli bank and the ‘suicide’ of Eric Miller who shot himself twice in the head?
Hope you’ve got a better bodyguard than the one employed by Mr Berezovsky, Alexander.
Verity
” From what I know of the Chinese, having lived among them, is, they dono’t leave anything to chance when they make plans.”
A few short years in the shopping mall that is Singapore, if I remember correctly. When the British arrived in their ships off Tianjin in the 19th century, the view of the Chinese was – after having lived among them for a while – that as they wore trousers instead of long robes, they would fall over if they came ashore and that, in any event, since they seemed dependent on a diet of Chinese rhubarb, they would be rendered helpless if they were denied supplies.
Incidentally, I have noted that you are also enamoured of the Indians and the Indonesians. Here are the Indonesians leaving nothing to chance:
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/04/the-persecution-of-christians-in-indonesia/
Frank P @ 00:29 and 00:47
It may be too late fort bodyguards. The link now leads to:
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Wrong.
For those of you with a taste for conspiracy theories and serendipity, I thought I would see if I could check Alexander Boot’s sources for his knowledge that “Between 1989 and 1991 the KGB transferred to the West eight metric tonnes of platinum, 60 metric tonnes of gold, truckloads of diamonds and up to $50 billion in cash”.
My googlng took me to somewhere completely different and with no connection to Mr. Boot whatsoever:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/113550228/September-11-Commission-Report-v2008
Malfleur … Just because I can speak some Bahasa Indonesia does not mean I am “enamoured” with Indonesians.
I do admire, however, the Hindus, in India, so you are semi-right there.
My admiration for the Singapore Chinese comes from four years of personal day-to-day experience. I have also read the brilliant and rivetting “From Third World to First World” … by Lee Kwan Yew, which accords the reader the reasoning behind the astonishing way the country was developed.
Singapore may appear to transient visitors to be one air-conditioned shopping mall. But so does Houston.
PS, Malflleur, I read the Gates of Vienna every day, so don’t need your pointers.
But …never mind the harsh facts of real life; let’s return to small wee hours navel gazing. (A welcome change from endoscopic quacks gazing at my navel from the inside with the one-eyed flexi-steel snake, I might add).
Peter; my little jest about free will was designed to provoke a sermon; to provide yet another opportunity for you to proselytise – and that it did. I always enjoy your gentler attempts to attribute good to God and bad to homo sapiens; your assertion that if was no bad, then there could be no good, is fine; but the human requirement for moral relativity is as crass as its insistence that there there must be a beginning, a middle and an end to every story; particularly when it demands that every story ends in a world WITHOUT end, either in a state of grace or in Dante’s inferno.
Fuck that for a game of soldiers!
The nearest I can even begin to rationaise ‘Why?’ is: ‘Yes, indeed! Good question. But it will remain the one constant in each sentient (or perhaps sapient) existence until that existence ceases’.
I’m a determinist, Peter. You should have sussed that by now. Every thought, every feeling, every action is predicated on a myriad of previous events stretching back to the big bang (if indeed that event occurred, rather than the steady state having always existed). Either way, every moment is a gigantic accumulation of rivulets running into the watershed that is NOW, before the blinking of the eye that tranforms NOW into THEN. That nanosecond contains no choice, it is loaded with imperatives, either perceived or instinctive – maybe even both. Some say that there is no ‘now’ – that ‘now’ is just a memory of then. If that is so, how can there be choice? What price free will? What you will do is surely determined upon on what you or others have already done?
Before the Big Bang (or the ‘no before’ of the Steady State)? Unknowable!
There is no such thing as free will; that is a delusion, based on the blind arrogance of the human condition. The attempt by man to make man a god.
God didn’t make man in his own image – the exact opposite is plausible, though.
You were born to believe – I was born to doubt; but we are both riding on the back of an irresistible force that determined everything in that nanosecond that bought everything into existence. Call it what you like, our own dreams are part of it; good and bad are our own meters of hindsight; our own interpretations of the inexorable journey – but based on precedence. Humanity – brief life and sudden death – just part of the bang or the constant twang, not the ‘plan’. The Accident. Hope of something more? A mere palliative for those who can’t stand the awful pain of the pointlessness of it all.
Enjoy the ride and grit your teeth over the bumps. Isn’t that what it’s all about?
Your God can’t help me, for He demands a brand of credulity that is not present within my own perceptions. Thus, in my Universe He doesn’t exist. And I capitalise only out of courtesy to your Universe.
When you exhort me ‘to look a little more carefully at the world around you, and see what is good and kind and generous’ you do me a disservice. young Sir. You also reveal in that suggestion the fact that you haven’t bothered to read my posts, as I frequently describe spontaneous examples of human endeavour that generate pleasure, lighten our load and add to our knowledge and experience.
The fact that my professional duties demanded that I unearth the baleful and baneful among us, doesn’t mean that I was unable to appreciate the beauty and bounty of life. The demands of evidence, the requirement of facts – to justify assertion and action – rendered speculation about ‘unknowables’ redundant ; verboten even in some circumstances.
Moreover, gallows humour is a necessary immunisation against insanity when dealing with insanity itself, or other forms of human frailty and transgression on an industrial scale over a lifetime,
You preach; I take the piss. That’s how we respectively cope with the Great Scheme of Things. Nothing wrong with that, is there?
[I would have responded to Malfleur’s interjection into the navel gazing had he not tried to insinuate his little pal Tommy Tucker into the parable. But as I resolved previously – blah, blah, blah – not to take that smelly piece of old gristle-bait again, I won’t. 🙂 ]
Frank P
The determinist view that every action is caused by the accumulation of a series of other actions extending back to the beginning of time is as unprovable as the existence of God.You have a problem with the latter but not with the former? If you are going to take that route then the dark wood leads into covers some interesting possibilities though: time is an artificial division of what is one “moment” so that we are all connected past, present and future so that, for example, I am, God help me, you. You may yet become a mystic.
In the meantime, this is quite good:
http://www.food.com/recipe/creamy-cajun-chicken-pasta-39087
Frank P, you have a knack for felicitous wording, but this has to be your quote of the year: ” (A welcome change from endoscopic quacks gazing at my navel from the inside with the one-eyed flexi-steel snake…).
The whole post was quotable. I’m in awe.
Why do I keep on about Tummy Fluffingtown?
“”Yeah, leev id orf mate – borrring! uU av an orfnesif tone, innit. (Objective Observer)
“He who controls the language shapes the debate” (Mark Steyn h/t Frank P)
“2EDL Leader Tommy Robinson outed as child sex pest” (http://www.edlnews.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/latest-news/734-former-edl-extremist-roberta-moore-and-joel-yossiarrested)
“”When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” ” (Dodgson)
“It is sometimes necessary to view the different authorities of the state as heads of the vicious hydra” Stefan Lindskog, Swedish Supreme Court Judge
“fascists in blazers.” (friends of James Delingpole)
“In a rare public lecture delivered in Adelaide, Justice Stefan Lindskog defended the leaking of classified information, saying the case against the WikiLeaks founder was “a mess”, and raised many questions over the legality of the US ever being able to extradite Assange via Sweden.
“It should never be a crime to make known crime of a state,” Justice Lindskog, the chairman of the Supreme Court of Sweden, told a crowd at the University of Adelaide on Wednesday night.” http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/julian-assange-safe-from-extradition-to-us-says-justice-stefan-lindskog/story-e6frg6n6-1226612062993
“Andrew Ossett, Divisional leader of the English Defence League’s secretive Cornish Division has today, blown the lid on EDL leader Tommy Robinson’s football hooligan career” (EDLNEWS)
“‘It’s very provoking,’ Humpty Dumpty said after a long silence, looking away from Alice as he spoke, ‘to be called an egg — very!’ ” (Lewis Carroll)
“Some of the best-known stereotypes about counter-jihad supporters are wrong.” (Chatham House study of the English Defence League)
“The ADL is seething after the recent Mohammedist gang-attack on British Patriot Steven Yaxley-Lennon aka Tommy Robinson, Founder of the English Defence League.” (The American Defense League)
Frank P, if you are a determinist of the absolute sort you describe then you have no right to complain about anything. There cannot be any morals in such a view. There cannot be an Islamic jihad that you should resist. Indeed there is no basis for feeling angry and miserable about anything. Your feeling angry is no more real than your discovery that people do good. None of it is real at all.
There can only be morality when there is a choice, and when there is an external authority. Otherwise morals in an atheistic world make no sense at all. There are as much fairy stories as the existence of God. Since all that can matter in a world run on Darwin is selfish self-preservation. But even that has no meaning in an absolutely determined world.
I do not believe that you really believe that. Darwin has already been debunked by atheist and desist scientists. Determinism is rejected by the very fact that we get up in the morning and decide what pants to put on. A person who really and absolutely believed he lived without any choices would kill himself or become utterly evil.
Is there no escape? Chicken maybe laced with horse – or have they just forgot to wipe down the machinery?
http://vegnews.com/articles/page.do?pageId=5606&catId=8
Malf @ 1.23
Haven’t got time to delve at the moment. Who wrote that ‘report’? It’s quite amusing in a black kinda way.
“…I have also read the brilliant and rivetting “From Third World to First World” … by Lee Kwan Yew, which accords the reader the reasoning behind the astonishing way the country was developed…”
Equally eagerly awaited in the UK is its counterpart “From First World to Third World”. A practical manual being practised and published by the brilliant duo of the ‘Eds Miliband and Balls.
In it they expound a fascinating policy of even more unlimited borrowing than the present fiscal incontinents. This is allied with money printing to feed a comprehensive benefits dependency culture, an exponentially increasing public sector and selling off any national asset that can secure a government minister’s pension.
It’s a ripping, prophetic yarn.
Frank P
I’ve not yet determined whether I can espouse determinism. 😉
Noa (14:04)
Perhaps after the UKIP tributary flows into 2015 watershed? 🙂
Noa – Two good posts in a row to brighten Sunday morning!
Harry’s Place is another website worth adding to ones personal bookmarks.
http://hurryupharry.org/2013/04/06/%E2%80%98nothing-to-do-with-britain%E2%80%99-the-foreign-and-commonwealth-office-and-the-national-memorial-to-the-holocaust/
Verity et al –
I haven’t read the whole report because I don’t have a subscriptiopn the the South China Morning Post, but I’ve just read this truncated bit on their website –
“Xi calls for zero tolerance of any troublemakers in Asia
Chinese President Xi Jinping said on Sunday that Asia faced “new challenges” to
its stability and warned no one could be allowed to throw the region into chaos
as tensions mounted over North Korea…”
Frank P
April 7th, 2013 – 00:29
Thank you for the link but it does not explain why old Jan Hoch (or whatever his real name was) is buried on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem.That is a great honour so what did he do to deserve it?
Frank P
I’m determined to be on the stump with UKIP and Nigel in Oswaldtwistle.
We don’t just want disgruntled ex-Tories, we want the betrayed Labour voters as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyAcRT2Q_e8
Thanks, Herbert T!
To all the “politically sophisticatd” (soi-disant) posters above, do read this and try to understand that China is NOT an ally of the seriously mentally-challenged leader of N Korea nor any of his government.
China is a world player … it sells to Europe, Britain (sic), the USA, Canada, Oz, NZ and points N, S, E and W. The days of Tiananmen Square are well behind them. The Chinese are sophisticated thinkers and President Xi is set on bringing China into the centre of the commercial world. All you people who argued with me so haughtily, did you really think that the fiercely intelligent leader of a country with 1bn population, and carefully planned international commercial aspirations, was going to pick a fight with the advanced West … whose citizens for the most part have disposable income?
That some people above proposed that China was manipulationg the N Korean nut job, or allying themselves with him absolutely boggled my mind.
Noah 13:56 — Ha ha ha ha ha!
Verity et al –
The Washington Post has a fuller report about statements by Xi Jinping. The last paragraph seems to be even more pointed –
http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/china-expresses-concern-over-north-korea-tensions/2013/04/07/ffa01ea6-9f62-11e2-9c03-6952ff305f35_story.html
I think that Kim Jong Un & Co. will only resent it – and become even more bloody-minded.
Herbert T – What Kim thinks is slightly less relevant than what my cat thinks.
I have said on this site, since the beginning of this episode, that China will take Kim (or N Korea) out. The Chinese do not tolerate freelancer trouble-makers or loose cannons.
Trust me, either Kim gets back in line or China will take Pyong Yang out. China, quite rightly, will not tolerate threats to the region. President Kim seems to have a touch of the stupids.
Verity, I don’t see how you can say that China is not an ally of North Korea. North Korea and Kim are entirely and completely dependent on China for tomorrow’s food and energy. They could not be closer allies. Indeed China has said that the relationship is as close as teeth and lips.
If Kim is running wild it is only because China wishes him to do so, and will use him for their own ends, gaining the appearance of being a responsible and security conscious state. It may even allow some further escalation until it decides that it can achieve its aims and gain kudos. But all the while it is in complete control of North Korea.
Just to add to the Robert Maxwell post this is the opening paragraph from Wiki
“Robert Maxwell was born Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch into a poor[2][3] Yiddish-speaking Jewish family in the small town of Slatinské Doly (now Solotvino, Ukraine), in the easternmost province of (pre-World War II), Czechoslovakia. His parents were Mechel Hoch and Hannah Slomowitz. He had six siblings. ”
If this was in fact the man who became Robert Maxwell it is an unlikely background for someone who was then commissioned in the British army and went on to run multimillion pound organisations.
P from M – Xi is not going to bugger up a mult squillion dollar market. Kim is freelancing and he will be cut off at the knees.
Noa, Frank P. et al –
Your discussions about Determinism make me wonder if you’ve read some of the newest ideas spawned by Quantum Physics. I have only the most superficial notions of what Q.P. is all about, but I gather that it states that at sub-atomic levels, some phenomena can be predicted only by means of statistics. For example, in a block of radioactive material there is absolutely no knowing, or way to discover, which atom will be the next to decay. All that can possibly be known is that a quantifiable proportion of them will do so. To that extent, the matter of which atom will decay next is completely random.
Albert Einstein apparently disliked that idea of randomness so much that he declared – “God does not play Dice with the Universe.” Does that make him a
believer in Determinism – (it seems to me that it does)?
But that’s not all. I gather that at the sub-atomic level, some phenomena occur that cannot be explained in terms of conventional physics (including Relativity) because they seem to defy what otherwise seem to be the constants of both space and time. Q.P. suggests that they can be explained only on the basis that reality has more than the conventional dimensions that we think of as Time and Space.
I have even read that some Quantum Physicists have postulated that our own brains operate, to some extent, in these extra dimensions and that this accounts for the existence of our own consciousness.
Some have gone even further and suggest that the extra dimension(s) can accommodate not only the existence of an afterlike, but of previous life.
Any further thoughts?
Verity, how is China harmed by letting NK run as wild as it decides to allow it? Where do you think NK is getting its food and electricity tomorrow? NK is OWNED by China. Teeth and lips. That’s how close they are.
Herbert, it is interesting to what lengths some people will go to avoid having a belief in God. They will adopt almost any position which requires faith, but will insist it is not faith. This is why so many atheist scientists are coming round to theism. The more science discovers the more reasonable it is to believe in a creating God outside of the universe.
One example…
There is a God: How the World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind
http://www.amazon.co.uk/There-God-Notorious-Atheist-Changed/dp/0061335304/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365355096&sr=1-1&keywords=there+is+a+god
Flew was the Dawkins of this time. But rather more intelligent. He did not become a Christian. But he did come to believe that science requires a creating God.
P from M … I can-t be bothered.
Verity, as you wish. You haven’t really produced anything to negate the facts that NK is entirely dependent on China, and that China has described the relationship as close as teeth and lips.
“Chris Huhne finds prison ‘fascinating’, Jonathan Aitken reveals…
but had not shown any sign of repentance so far.”
Clearly not enough hard labour. (If it’s good enough for Oscar Wilde it’s good enough for toe-rags).
Ostrich
I hope he’s not dropping his soap too often in the shower.
Perhaps he wears it on a rope.
Herbert Thornton
“…Some have gone even further and suggest that the extra dimension(s) can accommodate not only the existence of an afterlike, but of previous life.
Any further thoughts?…”
Oh dear, my head contains both the past and the future, as well as the present. It’s crowded in here. Maybe that’s why it hurts.
And does that explain the voices I hear , telling me what I must do…
Violence in Cairo leaves Christians dead and wounded at the main cathedral.
http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/update-clashes-resume-abbasseya-cathedral-after-attack
Herbert Thornton – 18:03 “superficial notions of Quantum Physics”
Do not fret! The idea of randomness is disliked by everyone, not only Albert Einstein! In fact, the corollary, that everyone likes, or is comfortable with, order, is why Socialism has been so popular. It lulls people into a false sense of security.
You do not need to understand QP, or God for that matter, which is a good thing, as few understand either, and even fewer understand both!
The statement “God does not play Dice with the Universe” is as credible as Stephen Hawking’s statement on black holes and the “mind of god” or the naming an illusive goal of HE Physicists, the God particle. That is, there is no credibility! It is uttered for effect. Today it is called PR!
You might as well say that the new Pope is the Bobby Charlton of the Catholic Church. And then start wondering if it is because he is an Argentine, and they are known to play football well, and then wonder if the Pope can play football, and does it really matter anyway? No, it would be said to redirect the conversation.
Didn’t someone say when a wise man points to the moon, the fool looks at his finger?
Noa 19>15 …. Wears what on a rope, darling?
Verity
I’m sure that, with a song in his heart, he can make it through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AEcfpwJ_TTY#!
I see Pres. Kim Jong Un has ordered nukes poiinted at Guam! Whoooaaaah! He-s really fighting the big boys!!
Wrong Un, Chinese proxy or not, is testing Obama’s nerve.
No bets on who’ll blink first.
Noa 7th, – 19:15
“Perhaps he wears it on a rope.”
Attached to what?
(Do they have “golden rivets” in the nick?)
Ostrich
A tongue in cheek comment, like the following post….
http://www.deadseriousnews.com/prison-officials-in-iowa-find-innovative-solution-to-reduce-rape/
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/SenGraham-War-NKorea/2013/04/07/id/498187?s=al&promo_code=130DB-1
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/04/death-to-bloggers-who-insult-mohammed/
The first comment is worthy of reproduction here:
profitsbeard on April 7, 2013 at 5:07 pm said:
Mohammad was a thieving, raping, lying, mass-murdering, plagiarizing desert bandit who came upon a scheme to gain power- invent an Arab version of Judaism by stealing the core of the Old Testament’s stories, reworking them through the diseased funnel of his personal revenge fantasies, and then use it to attack the world with the imprimatur of his new deity “Allah” (Jaweh ‘rebranded’).
Islam is a pastiche, a polyglot, a mish-mash, and a mess, which, according to Aiyesha, his child bride, was not even complete, since some who had memorized Mohammad’s sayings (he was illiterate)- that were to become the recorded “Koran”- had died in battle before their recollected pieces of the “book” were ever written down.
Thus, the myth of the “perfect” Koran “received directly unchanged” from “Allah” is the fundamental Lie and ongoing deception foisted upon deluded Muslims by their cynical leaders.
(The fact that an early Caliph collected “variant” Korans and had them all burned and then issued his own “orthodox” version as the “true” “Al Qur’an” (i.e.: “Recitation”) only makes the Muslim religious leaders’ claim of a “perfect” and “received from Allah unchanged” book one more layer of lies that expose this entire Deception as a world-historical fraud as shameless and monstrous as any every perpetrated upon humanity.)
Amen.
Frank P beat me to it! I was about to quote the first sentence from The Gates of Vienna s latest post, to wit, “The announcement by the Associated Press that it would no longer allow its writers to use the words “Islamist” and “Islamism” …” and hey presto! here is Frank with so much more from the same post!
From the post Frank P posts, “Mohammad was a thieving, raping, lying, mass-murdering, plagiarizing desert bandit” … I wonder why the writer left out “adulterer, child abusing epileptic”.
Thanks, Frank P! Does Profitsbeard have a blog?
Does anyone know what I have done to mess up my keyboard_ I hit the key for question mark and, as you can see, I got an underscore. It is driving me nuts. Everything is in the wrong place. Obviously, I did something inadvertent. Does anyone know how I can get my original keyboard back_ *That-supposed to be a question mark, and the asterisk was supposed to be the quote sign.
I turned the computer off in a fit of temper, and it seems to have sorted itself out.
Roy Kerridge uses to have a column at the other place which helped to give an insight into aspects of English society not usually written about in such periodicals and in particular if I remember from all those years back the West Indian English; but since that magazine gave up looking at England much outside of north London, he has taken his talents elsewhere. Salisbury Review is publishing Chapter 1 of his book, The Adventures of Devon Wiltshire:
http://ww.salisburyreview.com/devonpages/pages.pdf
It would be good to have some blogs here from time to time on life in various towns and cities in the Kingdom.
Another step towards something? –
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/Japan-orders-shooting-down-of-North-Korea-missile/articleshow/19437797.cms
anne wotana kaye April 6th @ 18:44
“By the way, what’s happening with the dispute on the Spratly Islands?”
Further to my first response on 6h April noting the Chinese naval task force dispatched to the James Shoal off the coast of Malaysia:
Yesterday, around about the time that President Xi was admonishing un-named parties that no one country should be allowed to upset world peace and that China would work to reduce tensions in regional hot spots, the Xin Hua News Agency announced that the government would open a hotel on one of the Paracels and organize tours for Chinese citizens to the disputed islands
Has anyone seen Well-Wisher by the way? His input into Korean and Chinese matters would be welcome.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305423/Chilcot-Any-WMD-owned-Saddam-fit-lorry–Libya-greater-threat-Secret-evidence-Iraq-inquiry-reveals-Blair-went-war-despite-intelligence.html
So when is the money-grabbing war criminal going to end up in the Hague? At least the short-arsed Korean is only making noises. Blair lied to the world and sent men to their deaths for no good reason. What is it with socialists? Why is their default position to cause as many deaths as possible and worship proven murdering despots whilst decrying those of us who are a little unhappy about the little sheet heads and shirt-lifters forcing their perverse views upon the rest of us?
Gillard in this hemisphere sucking up to the slanty-eyed killers and Blair, Brown et al up your end, all shit off the same brush.
Verity
April 8th, 2013 – 02:27
It seems your keyboard has joined the rest of us – it’s f**ked!
I think that Verity had inadvertently switched the keyboard country.
Malfleur
April 8th, 2013 – 05:50
anne wotana kaye April 6th @ 18:44
“By the way, what’s happening with the dispute on the Spratly Islands
===============================================
With all the weird fish being passed off as good old plaice, cod and haddock, does anybody remember sprats? (I can no longer take the madness of the political world seriously)!
Clear Memories 8th, – 08:51
“At least the short-arsed Korean is only making noises.”
Unlike his dad, (through starvation) and his granddad (through war, pestilence and starvation).
” all shit off the same brush”
Frank P 8th, – 02:01
Thanks, Frank…I needed that!
So now a lot of people in the north of England can have the party they have been waiting for .!!!
Stand by for several days of vicious salvos from the Thatcher thumpers.
RIP Maggie. You did what you could, shame about your successors!
This is interesting:
http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2013/04/n-korean-satellite-flies-over-america-over-and-over-and-over-again-in-the-next-5-days-2457512.html?utm_medium=facebook-post&utm_source=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fl.php%3Fu%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fb4in.info%252Ft0lq%26h%3DcAQEJLAHk%26s%3D1&utm_content=awesm-fbshare-small&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2Ft0lq&utm_campaign=
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/9975658/Ukip-leader-Nigel-Farage-in-his-own-words.html
Superb! How could anyone not vote for UKIP after seeing this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306335/Paris-Brown-QUITS-15-000-year-youth-commissioner-role-police-launch-investigation-Twitter-rant.html
“Foul-mouthed crime tsar QUITS her £15,000-a-year youth commissioner role after police launch investigation into Twitter rant”
So Paris Brown was a real person!
No! Not just a person, but a person who was ‘very exceptional’: Paris Brown was one of 164 applicants for her job, intended to provide young people’s views on policing.
So who was on the selection panel?
And who selected the selection panel?
It’s has to get back Cameron eventually.