The Coffee House Wall – 10th/16th June

Posted on June 10, 2013

This is the Coffee House Wall for this week. I won’t say that it is your chance to communicate with us, as we are all in this together. It is, nevertheless, the Conservative Blog post that has no particular theme, and where everything is on topic. Let’s just remember that we want to avoid ad hominem attacks on others. We don’t want to engage with trolls. We want to moderate our language ourselves as responsible and mature adults, choosing to use fruity language only where it is necessary. This is our opportunity to show what the Spectator Coffee House Wall could have been like.

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177 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 10th/16th June”

  1. Geert Wilders has drawn closer to UKIP’s position on the European Union in this speech in Los Angeles yesterday. UKIP’s natural reciprocation would be to mirror the concerns of Holland’s fourth largest party, the Party of Freedom,at the threat to national culture and identity from islam. The difficulty is that if UKIP states these concerns openly, Nigel Farage and other UKIP members stand likely to become targets not merely of the abuse and disruption of the cross-party street louts of the UAF, who already have them in their sights, but of islamicist assassins when they canvas from door to door or mount the hustings in our towns and cities. This latter threat is not one to be taken on lightly. Discretion is the better part of valour and UKIP’s purpose of forming a government can perhaps be met by a tactical avoidance of the the islamicist question and its subsuming within the larger question of unconsented immigration. Contrariwise, it could be argued that from this nettle, danger, we pluck this flower, safety – and the question should be raised and addressed forthrightly in ordedr to solve it. I do think though that UKIP and its supporters should extend their hands to Geert Wilders and his Party for Freedom. The Dutch have been our friends in difficult times in recent centuries and it would be an honour to join with the best of them in the current fight.

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/06/the-eu-stands-for-everything-that-is-wrong-in-europe/

  2. Malfleur@June 10th, 2013 – 10:54

    I think you are right. An addition parties from abroad are seen to be full of loonies by the electorate so perhaps better to stay aloof. Avoid anything likely to lose votes.

  3. A lot of good Englishmen died not so long ago resisting arbitrary government in our American colonies. Does anyone think that had the majority population there from the 1770s to, say, -1813 been Russians rather than Britons there would have been a free state in North America in the 19th century? Give me a break! So I’m getting pretty well pissed off with contemporary Americans who, with some fine exceptions, are the most pernicious race of odious littler sheep that Nature ever suffered to graze in blank imbecility on the surface of their polity as the wolves take over. We bank on Americans remaining alert to threats to liberty to protect us as we abandon our own responsibilities to defend the country and allow it to fall into the hands of the unaccountable and unspeakable in Brussels and Westminster. Now though every day gives further evidence of the supine, paralysed Americans who, without a shot heard round the world, are tossing their constitution into the dustbin of history.

    It’s enough to make you cry tears of blood.

  4. It is reported that the Turkish leader of the opposition says that Erdogan is “throwing society into the fire”.

    The acccusation against Erdogan fits Cameron, Clegg and Milliband remarkably well too.

  5. Herbert Thornton@June 10th, 2013 – 12:53

    The events in Turkey must surely kill off the chances of Turkey joining the EU….

  7. If the Stasi weren’t listening into the jihadists, which they weren’t or they would have known about the Boston bombing, who were they listening to.. patriots, ,,, Obama was a constitutional layer. he’s not so much a constitutional lawyer as a constitutional liar…etc. listen on – at least one American is outraged…Even the ACLU is now against Obama!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPsCgoAFTAM

  8. The ‘One Speech’ (among many 🙂 ) to listen to from the UKIP SE Conference is here:
    http://www.ukip.org/index.php/newsroom/news/670-se-conference-programme

    There are several clips on the page so you need to click on the clip below this heading:
    2.15 Breaking the Code of British Leadership – David Murrin, Fund Manager, Geophysicist, Yachtsman and Military Historian

    It is not a party political speech, but a good description of where we are today and gives hope as well as direction.

  9. Disadvantaged Britons are to be offered cheap laptops with a £2.99 a month broadband deal. (Telegraph today)
    Excellent news for the porn industry and shopping channels.

  10. How much more of these hoodlums in the White House can decent Americans take?

    “Did the Obama administration put a target on the backs of members of Navy SEAL Team 6? This is the question that parents of slain SEALs are now asking — and rightly so. Forget Benghazi, the IRS, Eric H. Holder Jr. and the National Security Agency spying on U.S. citizens. Important as these scandals are, what happened to SEAL Team 6 could very well dwarf them. Our government betrayed America’s finest warriors.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/7/the-betrayal-of-the-navys-seal-team-6/

  11. JB @ 16.41

    The main reason for dishing out cheap laptops to the underclass will be to facilitate benefits claims. So many claims are now done online – long gone is the requirement to drag your scabby @rse to the dole office.

  12. Fiyaz Mugal is to get no more tax-funds for Tell Mama after police and civil servants raised concerns that his data wasn’t stacking-up with reports from ACPO. Anti-Muslem `hate crime`has gone down over the last ten years.Even Cressida Dick says increase since death of Drummer Rigby is less then after other attacks. [Inspite of this Met officers and others are whipping up hysteria in the reporting of a fire at a Muslem school :as it is reported in the Daily Mail]====Mugal/Tell Mama has also been threatening on-line critics with libel action.SEE http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/andrew-gilligan/10108098/Muslim-hate-monitor-to-lose-backing.html

  14. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2338996/Jail-threat-staff-death-scandal-hospital-Police-probe-300-cases-criminal-neglect.html

    At last!

    The proper action might be taken and I’m delighted to see that nurses and Doctors are in the front line for prosecution, not Managers.

    At the end of the day, Doctors and Nurses are responsible. Nurses in particular have agitated for years for a bigger role and more responsibility, to the point that too many of them see themselves as some kind of junior grade medico, far too important to take the time to look after some poor, smelly, troublesome OAP, make sure they’re clean and comfortable and fed and watered in the last few weeks. With responsibility, comes liability and that unforeseen and unexpected bird is, hopefully, about to come home to roost.

    For too long, these front line medical staff have complained about lack of resources for patients, whilst taking ever-larger salaries for less effort. They whined loudly (usually after the event) that failings were the fault of managers and politicians not providing the necessary “assets”. If they couldn’t do the job, either through ineptitude or lack of “assets”, they should have resigned and highlighted the failings of the system.

    But no, they’ve taken the money and either turned the other way or become part of the problem.

    Perhaps when a few have been locked away, the others might reconsider their position, whether they are suited to the job or whether they should seek urgent talks with their employers. Oh, but wait, wouldn’t that be the people they are supposed to treat and look after?

  15. Is there some ban on reporting the conviction of the Muslim gang who were going to bomb the EDL march in today’s news.

  16. This thoughtful article in Breitbart prompted some responses that should strike a chord on our side of the Atlantic:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/10/The-Fuse-Has-Been-Lit-Seven-Critical-Points-on-Uncle-Sam-s-Spying-Program

    I print a few of the comments:

    TrampDorena PeoplesRepublicOfMd • 9 hours ago

    remove 50 sitting Democrat and GOP Senators and replace them with Conservatives. that’s the Revolution. do it at the ballot box–it’s not time for the cartridge box Revolution.

    PeoplesRepublicOfMd TrampDorena • 9 hours ago

    Yes, I agree, but I have a good deal of concern as to how OB and the Dems will use the info they illegally garnered from the PRISM program.
    In another Breitbart article today, it stated that the VA Gov’s race is now neck and neck. Terry McAuliffe (D) was supposedly behind by 10 points to the Rep candidate just a few weeks ago. Now, he’s neck and neck?
    Something’s rotten, IMO, so will we be able to overcome the voting fraud and how when the D’s do everything in their power to keep dishonesty alive and well?

    Petroglyph PeoplesRepublicOfMd • 5 hours ago

    The very best thing we can all do right now is “inform” the masses. I do at gas stations, grocery stores, restaurants, the golf course. The Liberals only represent 18 to 21% of the populace, but they control the media which is why it is now up to us to inform everyone of the truth. Not yelling matches, but honest truth.
    They do have voter fraud, but if we could actually get a turnout to the polls, they could not overcome that. Politics should be a discussion with your neighbors, your friends, your friends friends.
    I know it seems like we are up against a wall and all is crumbling around us, but that is not true. Progressives are an arrogant lot, and this batch is no different. With nearly daily scandals and criminal evidence being exposed, the supporters of Obama only need the truth to be turned.
    Speak out, without fear and with conviction. Our country is counting on us all right now.

    Konservative_Punk Petroglyph • 4 hours ago

    Love Caddell, the last great Democrat.
    It’s sad you know. I talk to my family and they just don’t understand it and don’t want to get involved in it. It’s so ignorant that people can just sit idly by and allow others to shape their world for them. The Democrats are counting on it.

    BabelProphet Konservative_Punk • an hour ago

    KP, I’ve encountered family and neighbors who just don’t want to talk about it but the best way to approach another is to talk about yourself. Be honest, tell another how you have evolved and what were the key points of your evolution. Let them know what you were feeling and how it changed your thinking.

    The worst way is to attack them or criticize them. You want to unite them. ALWAYS LOOK FOR COMMONALITY AND BUILD ON THAT POINT.

    Mark Kreitler Petroglyph • 4 hours ago

    +1, especially for “no yelling matches.”

    Rick Jones Petroglyph • 2 hours ago

    Right on the money Petro, joining groups that support the Constitution, NRA, Tea Party etc. at least show the trained monkeys in DC that there are citizens who are fckin pissed off and there will be a price to pay in 2014.

    BabelProphet Petroglyph • an hour ago

    You’re right. I’ve read old text of how our ancestors spent their time in discussion with their neighbors over politics and the Constitution. We as a nation have allowed ourselves to become ignorant of our founding documents and our leadership has taken advantage of our ignorance.

    We are all neighbors and we should not be divided. Let’s show our neighbors our love and help them understand the importance of standing together united against elites who believe the loss of rights is an acceptable rationale.

    StuPedasso Petroglyph • an hour ago

    Hi Petro,
    I agree about how to approach the lowfo friends and family. It is certainly much better received and understood at a proper decibel.
    I myself have made headway with some younger (20 somethings) folks that have seen the light so to speak.
    Huzzahhh my friend!

    Media_Bladders Petroglyph • 28 minutes ago

    Here’s another reason not to get discouraged: The onset of Obamacare will, in my opinion, be the biggest legislative train wreck since Prohibition.

    And now the public is already taking notice of the agency charged with enforcing it. Does anybody seriously believe that average American voters are now going to be comfortable with letting the IRS overseeing their life-and-death health decisions?

    My point is that if anything has the power to unite the populace, it’s the current scandals PLUS Obamacare. And that might be enough to create a GOP majority in both houses of Congress after 2014.

    tmanosaurus PeoplesRepublicOfMd • 3 hours ago

    YOu are right, this government is deceiving, controlling and derailing our lives with fraud and internet treason where self appointed people have carved a hole into our personal lives and are stealing our ideas, patents, inventions, plans, business ideas, social networks politic al tendencies (which I have a right to privacy to have) and they can do this to us without restrain or concern and we are allowed nothing in benefits from this steal our data scheme of the tyrants. This is like game of drones where the government all of a sudden has access to our innermost creativity and can steal it from us and manipulate and control us with modulating harmful things they can release to embarass us or blackmail us. Google is a bunch of spies. Barack is a coup of treasonous elites, our senators and “?Congressmen are allowing graft beyond the worlds ability to realize. We have gone from humans with a Constitution to goats sheep and lambs to be fleeced with out control of anything in our lives. The elites that can look into our homews and we are not able to watch as they burn down our civilization.

    melas_uru PeoplesRepublicOfMd • 2 hours ago

    Who remembers how the Romney cyber system completely failed on Nov 6th, 2012?
    The Romney teams cyber communications completely broke down on that day and now it looks like that may not have been just an innocent system failure.

  17. Clear Memories@June 11th, 2013 – 06:18

    Yes you are right to say doctors and nurses should be prosecuted for the failings at Stafford (and elsewhere I suspect)
    But i dont agree the management and politicians are not culpable. The job of management is to put in place proper procedures and checks to ensure the core purpose of a unit is being delivered. clearly at Stafford they failed miserably. And the failings are in the local management, in central NHS management in the department for health and the ministers.

  18. John birch@June 11th, 2013 – 06:24

    Big 2 page spread in the mail with names and pictures.

  19. Saw a piece on Sky this morning about Turkey. Seems that its no more than a protest about a park.
    No mention of the current government trying to bring in an islamic state then.

  21. JB @ 6.24

    I’ve not heard much of BBC R5Live today so couldn’t say (it’s my background wallpaper of choice as I despise R4 and the Today programme).

    What is interesting though was yesterday’s news management on R5 in the morning. They had the problem of reporting and ‘discussing’ the parliamentary report on the Rochdale grooming cases and the conspiracy to attempt murder at the EDL rally.

    Both issues were reported but the word!$lam was embargoed. No context was given, no background, and absolutely no suggestion of a religious and cultural link to these separate cases. Although they had Rochdale’s facilitators present and unaccountable (an ‘interim’ gauleiter for social services and the council head) there was absolutely no mention, much less acknowledgement, of the now well known British petri-dish of (largely) Pakistani mu$l!m gangs working under the umbrella of a hard left ideology and facilitated by social workers with dishonourable mentions to councils and the ‘police’.

    This show is normally a ‘phone in’ but not this time (wonder why?)

    On the EDL case they had someone from some publicly funded unit ‘working’ ‘against’ ‘radicalisation’ – again with nary a mention of !$lam.

    Taken together it was an utterly surreal experience ignoring herds of elephants charging round a room. An alien listening to R5 yesterday would have absolutely no idea what had happened or was going on and what caused these events. The BBC know this but also know that with a UAF supporting Prime Minister they can get on with their public order task of managing the indigenes while stoking the grievances of minorities.

    Later in the day they allowed the use of the phrase ‘!$lamic extremist’ once when reporting the EDL case as it was then safe to do when when not in a discussion context – no risk of any unfortunate ‘off message’ commentary being aired.

  25. Alexsandr
    June 11th, 2013 – 11:12

    Indeed – but Doctors and Nurses are professionals, not shop floor workers with no power or interest or voice. They are at the forefront of delivery and if a satisfactory service either can’t be delivered with the assets available, professionals should raise hell.

    Sadly, the lesson from Staffs seems to be that too many of these so-called professionals are not as able as they should be. Worthy degrees, endless pieces of paper but not a shred of humanity or compassion. In any business/organisation, management’s role is to obtain the maximum return for the minimum input. Absence of money and resources does not excuse the mistreatment, incompetence and downright inhumanity that has led to the situation at Staffs. The faults here are human failings by so-called caring professionals and that is what they will answer for.

    I retain the view that, based upon the cases that have reached the media, many have failed in their duties and must be made to answer. That does not excuse those in senior or political positions nor protect them from criticism but they were not the parties responsible for deaths through neglect and, as a general observation, far too many working in the public services give low quality returns with no personal risk nor impact upon their careers. It is time it stopped and if it requires the application of laws with serious repercussions, so be it.

    If this unhappy situation leads to the BMA and Royal College of Nursing reconsidering the position of their members and the duties of those members to those who actually employ them re-focussing on the provision of patient care first and last, then perhaps the lives lost might not have been in vain.

  26. Alexsandr

    There must be a D notice in operation.
    This story has been removed from the daily mail I have just bought , completely .
    There is no mention of the case at all.
    Same with the telegraph , nothing at all. It never happened.
    Over the years you sense news management if your a bit suspicious , but this is so blatant any one can see what’s going on.

  28. Take David Cameron’s recent appointment of Daniel Korski as his new special adviser.

    “Daniel who?” you ask. Few folk outside the SW1 bubble will have heard of the charming Mr Korski. But his elevation to Number 10 tells us more about the Prime Minister’s own outlook than any speech.

    Highly talented, and extremely capable, Daniel is …. how can one put this delicately? …. not really where the rest of the Tory party – or indeed the country – is on matters European. In an era of political insurgency, I suspect that his advice may be pretty establishment.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/douglascarswellmp/100220983/inside-number-10-the-euro-establishment-still-holds-sway/

  29. So the result of the court case was on Monday , and you would expect expect the papers to cover the story the next day.
    From alexandrs comment it looks like they did In the first editions, and then the story was pulled.
    Today unusually I could not get the mail or telegraph till after midday.
    Both these papers were clean, as the police sometimes say about a perverts computer when he knew they were coming
    I suspect because of the (sensible) length of these sentences there was a bit of unrest by the brothers somewhere.
    No doubt a death threat to the judge because his word is less than the word of there Allah .
    The problem with this court case and verdict is it doesn’t fit in nicely with the mantra of the religion of peace or the Muslim as victim.
    Whatever , to remove this story from the papers is a disgrace.
    But we do know what your up to.!!!

  30. PfM @ 14.53

    Not forgetting Mr K’s drivel that used to get an airing in the $pec which was, without exception, panned. His auto-pilot cliched ‘analysis’ was of a type much loved and seen at mid-ranking levels in our beloved FO. He is part of the nomenklatura seamlessly drifting about Govt, NGO’s and the UN family at public expense knowing everything but understanding nothing, and all at the public’s expense. He churns out nothing more than exquisitely crafted toilet paper, or more precisely, would-be toilet paper which has excellent practical applications if only once unlike Mr K and his ilk.

  31. Malf & Radford NG

    Having listened to that clip I am not surprised to find that cretins like the Guardian, Maguire of the Mirror and McShane are deliberately telling us that black is white and that our ears are deceiving us. That interview was not an easy ride and Robinson was not given the soft soap treatment.

    They are sh!t scared that a piece of articulate working class dissent got an airing.

    Robinson calmly stood his ground, made some good points (for e,g about the ‘EDL’ graffitti at Muswell Hill) and succeeded in avoiding or neutering the traditional few minutes of well modulated BBC abuse

  33. Hexamgeezer,

    Not forgetting his recent stint as foreign policy advisor(my arse!) to Baroness(my arse!) Ashton at the EU Supreme HQ.

    If Cameron has invited Desperate Dan Krapski to hunker the No. 10 bunker then maybe “The Downfall” has begun.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBl1ktd4zpU

    Surprisingly topical, despite the fact it needs a little updating in places.
    🙂

  34. EC 19.18.
    Sorry if I snigger, but I some times think we don’t show enough respect to our betters.
    And the comments my arse , proves the point thank Christ.

  35. Pope admits there are gays in the highest level of the church.
    Next shock . Bears are seen shitting in woods.

  36. Where is everyone. It’s only a D notice, it doesn’t affect us,
    Hang on , someone’s kicking my front door in .
    I’ll just go and sort it and be right back.

  38. Radford NG, June 11th, 2013 – 12:00

    I listened to that “Tommy Robinson” interview and I thought that he acquitted himself very well against the slippery professional “Beeboid”. No accusation went unchallenged. He turned in a very similar performance against the grand inquisitor himself, BBC2 Newsnight’s Jeremy Paxman. For an amateur to put a performance like that against the Beeboid heavyweight is a very rare occurrence and, then if he wasn’t before, “Robinson” was a marked man from that point onwards. After the recent interview I’d be surprised if the BBC ever let him near a microphone again. He doesn’t fit their narrative.

  40. “The United Nations refugee agency is talking to Germany about resettling up to 10,000 Syrian refugees, UNHCR spokesman Adrian Edwards said on Tuesday.

    UNHCR was also working with other European governments to find ways to resettle some of the 1.6million Syrians who have fled the country, a number the United Nations expects to reach 3.45million by the end of 2013, Edwards said.”

    (Daily Mail)

    There you go!

  42. ” As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.”

  43. Reportedly a group of 14 and 15 year-olds where attacked by muslems last evening at a bus stop in Ashton-Under-Lyne,Tameside.A vidio of this has been removed from You-Tube as it `violated terms of service`.//……// Yesterday the Mercian Regiment,returning from Afganistan,was given the Freedom of Tameside.A coincidence ??

  45. A brilliantly graphic demonstration – and, interpreted in a slightly different way, why Camorons gestures (with UK tax £’ss) to spray Foreign Aid around the planet is pointless and (just one reason) why every member who served in the last Labour governments (as well as those that remained silent) deserve to be hanging from lamp-posts for their misplaced gesture to help the third world by flooding the UK with immigrants.

    This was 2010 – imagine how many gumballs are needed now. The problem is not Climate Change folks, the problem is too many people for the planet to support. The more the developed world works to prevent war and eradicate disease, the worse the over-population problem gets.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

  46. Apologies to Paul J – I was posted the link from elsewhere and added comment.

  47. Just type Muslim gang who intended to bomb EDL meeting. Court case 2 days ago.
    A simple request , but seems to have a problem getting a result.
    I got to the story’s by saying , 100 year Sentence for Muslim gang.
    Strange. !!!

  48. Clear Memories & John Birch,

    The “Gumball Guy’s” videos cannot be repeated often enough.

    In the UK over 25% of live births are to mothers who weren’t even born in the UK. In London and other areas that figure is over 66%. The UK’s demographic fate cannot be reversed. The England that we grew up in will soon cease to exist. Politicians of all parties, but particularly New Labour, are responsible for this. Also, I must add, the mindless twats who voted Tony Blair in not once, not twice, but THREE times must take the blame too.

    Pass the Kool-Aid.

  50. Thanks Clear Memories (06.55) – Yes, the ‘Gumballs’ vid does seem to be doing the rounds on many sites at the moment. I wonder which part of Malthusian theory will eventually come into play.

  51. EC 11th, – 22:32

    betters?
    🙂

    Oops! For a moment I thought you were referencing the Joan Collins Snickers commercial…

  52. Judge Constance Briscoe been charged with perjury re the Huhne case.

    Another one bites the dust.

  53. ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE [Tameside]:Four or five white girls and boys,about 14 years old,were confronted, in a bus shelter,by two young muslems[as we may suppose them to be].There was a violent confrontation filmed on a mobile,with a lot of shouting from a girl victim.//…….//Local police are playing this down for all they are worth.It is said, it is “unclear if there is a racial element”.But the local press have put the `mobile` video on line.Judge for yourself.SEE http://www.manchestergazette.co.uk/public-disorder-in-ashton-greater-manchester/

  56. @09:05 I should have referenced Paul J. for the “Gumball Guy” video and not John Birch.
    e&oe

  59. Some good people at *Global Britain*.Founded by Lord Pearson of Rannoch,once Conservative,now UKIP; Lord Stoddart [Independent],now in his 90s and expelled from Labour after a life time of service, by Blair, over his EU opinions.He says when he started he was called a left-wing extremist,now he is called a right-wing extremist,but his views haven’t changed.Also there was Lord Harris[Independent]who died in 2006 and was a friend and supporter of Mrs Thatcher. SEE http://www.globalbritain.org

  60. John Birch. 07:40.

    ‘Muslim gang who intended to bomb EDL meeting. Court case 2 days ago’

    It worked for me?

  61. Interesting David. I just put those same words in and it went straight there.
    It most certainly did not first thing this morning.
    The problem is that once they start manipulating what you can see you have no idea what there up to.
    About 25 or so years ago we had riots going on and it was spreading across the country. Then just like that it stopped.
    Not a single report of anything happening anywhere.
    I said then that there was a D notice on and it was not being reported.
    People more trusting than me said nonsense .
    But 6 months on there was a small article buried deep inside the independent which said (page 26 If I remember correctly) that the government had decided that the rioting was copycat and had put a D notice on it.
    When it was not reported it died down.
    They may well have been right. But it was the first time I had ever seen this admitted in print.
    I might add I bought all the other papers that day.
    Not a word about it in any of them.
    But,it could be claimed it was now in the public arena.

  63. EC 12th, – 15:38

    “If you’re into old boilers how then about this one?”

    That, Sir, is an absolute calumny – on old boilers. Scotch or Water tube, they may have been thermally inefficient, but they enabled useful work.

  64. Another reason for the Gatestone Institute web page to be on the blogroll, Peter (other than the Clare Lopez zingers):

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3760/muslim-persecution-of-christians-march-2013

    and Andrew McCarthy pleads a different angle on the Fourth Amendment/Prism hoo-hah

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/350799/rand-pauls-heres-crime-act-andrew-c-mccarthy

    I wondered when Duncan Campbell, the old ‘state secrets warrior’ would come out of the woodwork and tie up Echelon with Prism (natural progression as technology and the State expand exponentially):

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/11/prism_numbers_not_adding_up/

    Finally, my old pal ‘Furriskey’ emailed me with a whimsical caption and sardonic one-liner:

    “Open Prism

    I bet you could have knocked yourself down with a feather?”

    Indeed so.

  67. New English Review has been on “off-air” for nearly a week now – does anyone have any further news of them?

  70. Peter

    For God’s sake don’t get out of the bath to do it; have the benghazi swept and debugged first in case PRISM has got a mini-eye trained on you 24/7. A photo of you sitting n the bidet, blogrolling the Gatestone outfit, with your laptop only partially covering your blushes would be the kiss of death for The Wall.

  72. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2340243/Family-face-losing-200-000-home-landmark-ruling-grandfathers-terror-conviction.html

    A step in the right direction? Certainly is, as long as they don’t move this group of leeches onto the public teat.

    The evidence makes clear he used this property as part of his crimes therefore he must lose it. If he doesn’t, the likes of drug dealers and other major criminals will try to use the same defence. He clearly gave no thought to his own family, just as he would have given no thought to any victims of his acts had he succeeded.

    If 10,000 have signed a petition against the decision, let them join together and keep these vipers, otherwise export them to any Muslim hell-hole that will have them. And withdraw their British passports – they knew what he was doing and have therefore foregone any rights to reside in a half-civilised State.

  74. Peter from Maidstone, June 11th, 2013 – 14:53

    The news of Cameron’s appointment of Daniel Korski as one of his special advisers generated a number of emotions. All of them negative, I’m afraid.

    Dan’s updated Wiki bio, although thankfully brief, gives me the troubling impression that the bloke has never stayed in a job for more than five minutes. My favourite bit is “He deployed to Kabul, Afghanistan, in 2005 to advise President Hamid Karzai’s government” One can just imagine Jack Straw sat at his FO desk in 2005, “By jingo! These wallahs Kabul are thinking for themselves, better deploy Korski!”

    Dan, europhile and arab spring enthusiast, was regularly excoriated in the comments section of his blog posts at the Speccie. The general consensus was along the lines of: ‘how can one man be so wrong so often?’ So much so, it led to the formulation of “Vulture’s Law.”

    Why does Dave shell out taxpayers’ cash on Korski when if he wants advice on the ME then there is no better person that he could ask than Rory Stewart, MP? Nope, Dave must have employed Korski for his europhile credentials.

    All the talk of “renegotiation” by Cast Iron Dave and “red cards” by Concrete Willy (of Arabia) is just so much smoke being blown up the arses of Tory MPs.(*) If they don’t want to suffer DBU (Death by UKIP) then they would do well to be rid of Dave asap.

    (*) and the rest of us!

  77. alexsandr

    How hard is the problem to solve?

    Medical examination for all females born in the UK and all entering the UK over the age of 1. Thereafter, simple exam at yearly intervals – knickers down, naughty bits present, off you go!

    Interfered-with naughty bits? – immediate seizure by the dreaded SS, entire extended family returned to Country of Origin, assaulted individual undergoes reconstructive surgery before adoption. All medical costs charged to host Country – don’t pay, ban all imports of whatever (worthless) goods they produce and tighten visa restrictions for that State (particularly focused upon ruling class and their wives visiting Harrods).

    Too harsh? Even as a man, it makes my eyes water just to think about it.

  78. From the DT:

    “Nick Clegg refuses to go for ‘diversity training’ despite Lord Rennard criticism”

    Well, if he doesn’t need it, then nor does anybody else.

    Ho-hum, yet another boondoggle to be shut down, another bunch of self-regarding “educators/facilitators/general wastes of skin” to dump on the dole. For life, since they’re unemployable in any serious business.

  80. Ostrich (occasionally) – 11:31 ‘Well, if he doesn’t need it, then nor does anybody else’
    John birch – 14:36 ‘And so say all of us’

    While I agree with you, I do think though, that we would all feel that much better if Nick Clegg did complete his ‘diversity training’ and that it would, of course, include a report on how he would improve the diversity within the Lib Dems.

  83. Radford NG (14 June 02.11) –

    This has a strong whiff of something very sinister. What is going to happen when – as seems inevitable – there is increasing civil disorder, of the sort that pits Muslims against indigenous English people?

    What will happen if the Cameron government, using the reason that the rioters include members of the EDL and that it is necessary to protect Muslims, orders the army to fire on indigenous English people?

    Will all components of the army – especially ordinary soldiers – fire on their own people? I very much doubt it.

    There are obvious differences between the situation in Britain and the present situation in Turkey, but the situations and attitudes of Erdogan and Cameron (as well as Clegg and Milliband) are remarkably similar. All, despite widespread opposition, are narrow-mindedly determined to impose their ideologies (Islam in Erdogan’s case, and unpatriotic Political Correctness in the cases of Cameron, Clegg and Milliband) and all have compliant police forces at their disposal.

    But I suspect that if either Erdogan or Cameron finds that police actions are not enough and orders the armed forces to support him by firing on those who oppose him, he will find that his orders are not obeyed. Indeed, he may discover that he has provoked the opposite effect.

  84. Radford NG, June 14th, 2013 – 02:11

    Time somebody in the army woke up and rid of us of the traitors in the Lab/Lib/Con cabal !

  86. I see the Met Office is hosting a conference to try and find ways of showing that the cold weather we now experience is caused by global warming through some unknown mechanism.

  88. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/leaders/article3790840.ece

    Why would Harman want to destroy (or even harm) that left-wing, Labour supporting body?

    Could it be that someone in the BBC knows something about her early years with the Brent Law Centre and the National council for Civil Liberties, both great supporters of the Pedophile Information Exchange, that she would rather didn’t become common knowledge? Could Yewtree be about to claim it’s first political scalp?

  89. Clear Memories@June 14th, 2013 – 11:12

    Harman is a hypocrite on this. She supported a group who thought girls as young as 8 were able to give consent to sex, but clearly thought that older women were not able to make an informed decision to become prostitutes.

    Methinks she has the argument the wrong way round. We should protect children (Even more because of the Pakistani child grooming gangs) because they don’t have the maturity to make an informed decision, but let adult women decide what to do with their own bodies (With safeguards to protect coerced women).

  91. Verity, Welcome back!

    I saw this the other day, and thought of you.

    Not that I’m in any way suggesting that you are:

    a) a gunslinger
    b) a granny
    c) 72

    I just thought you’d enjoy the video, and especially the 911 tape.

    http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/video-gunslinging-granny-72-shoots-intruder/

    “Cooper said she has enjoyed shooting guns since she was a teenager. She has owned the .357-magnum revolver for 20 years. She has also tried things like archery and knife-throwing.”

    Looking at their dog, Capo, I think he might have killed the burglar if she hadn’t chased him off first!

    h/t Judge Andrew Napolitano (@JudgeNap)

  93. Women who killed her children and then herself.
    Comment made at service , should we condem her , no not at all. !!!
    I fully understand the turmoil and confusion in the minds of people in these situations , and this is not an attack on woman.
    But can you seriously think a remark like that would have been made if it was the father who killed them.

  94. John birch@June 14th, 2013 – 18:35

    Sorry, but what story are you commenting on. Got a link?

  95. EC (15:02)

    You think she’s lurkin’ then? I see no ships – not HMS Verity anyway. sadly….
    Nor the shimmering sails of the doughty vessel AWK1 . Hope all is okay.

    Btw – the latest from Clare M Lopez (via Gatestone – I infer you are still in the bath Peter – remember what the old song says – “too much bathin’ weakens ya” – and grab a warm towel when you do emerge, ‘cos this link is even more chilling than her previous blasts ):

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3763/national-defense-jihad-ideology

  96. Mail .
    Pregnant mother who killed her three children and then jumped from multi story car park.
    Very very sad story, I don’t wish to make any other point .

  99. Peter from Maidstone@June 14th, 2013 – 19:41

    Hope you didn’t drip on your keyboard, peter!

  100. Mail on line
    Drug dealers who lived millionaire lifestyle .
    Just look at those faces.
    My wife is not English , so don’t talk to me about racism , some groups are into criminal behaviour and some are not.
    The photos of the guilty always have the same profile.
    You can say they don’t , but they do.

  101. John birch – 20:19 ‘millionaire lifestyle’

    There are some areas that Diversity Officers cannot reach.

  103. PfM 4th, – 09:47

    “find ways of showing that the cold weather we now experience is caused by global warming through some unknown mechanism.”

    It’s all to do with latent heat…I think.

  104. John birch 14th, – 19:33

    Indeed, John, taken on its own it’s just awfully sad. But we know that it’s not unique; that there have been several similarly sad cases over the last decade…what sort of society has been created in this great nation of ours that so many people are so depressed that they can see no way forward but the destruction of themselves, and all they hold dear.

  105. Frank P
    June 14th, 2013 – 19:19
    Continuing the sea theme: our ships are struggling on stormy seas, so just hope there is a good lighthouse ahead! Thinking of you, shipmate.

  106. Why has the ubiquitous and well-rewarded Tony Robinson been granted a knighthood simply for his services as a Labour activist? How is that of any service to the nation or worthy of any sort of commendation?

  107. Peter from Maidstone – 08:48 ‘He had a cunning plan’

    Sometimes it is the frivolous that is so depressing!

    At least the Daily Mail can report the worst for us, so we take it as one, if very large, dose:
    Dishonours! Gongs for water boss who put up bills, police chief who failed tragic Victoria Climbie, hedge fund tycoon who bankrolls Tories and, oh yes, a Labour luvvie
    * Thames Water boss Robert Collington awarded OBE for consumer services
    * Retired Met police chief Sue Akers given a CBE for ‘services to policing’
    * Millionaire Tory donor Michael Hintze receives a knighthood
    * ‘Labour luvvie’ and Blackadder actor Tony Robinson gets a knighthood
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341977/Dishonours-Gongs-water-boss-bills-police-chief-failed-tragic-Victoria-Climbie-hedge-fund-tycoon-bankrolls-Tories-oh-yes-Labour-luvvie.html

    Though, Cameron takes the prize with, as usual, little effort:
    Now Cameron backs genetically modified crops to prove Britain is pro-science
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341733/Now-Cameron-backs-genetically-modified-crops-prove-Britain-pro-science.html

  109. PfM 15th, – 08:48

    “Why has ….. Tony Robinson been granted a knighthood ?”

    Maybe somebody mistook ‘Blackadder’ for a documentary?

    🙂

  110. RobertC 15th, – 09:00

    “so we take it as one, if very large, dose:”

    Hemlock?

  111. RobertC 15th, – 09:03

    “No significant [global] warming for 17 years 4 months”

    So it was all caused by “Tory misrule” and was stopped once Monsignor Tony got into power?

  112. O(o)”

    “Maybe somebody mistook ‘Blackadder’ for a documentary?”

    Mistook? !!

  113. AWK1

    Get your life-jacket on, gal, there are more squalls coming from over the Atlantic, both metaphorical and meteorological. Glad to see your semaphore message; long silences are troubling at our stage of life! Take care! All the best to you and yours.
    Btw I suffer from mal-de-mer everyday just watching our current ‘government’ performing for he TV cameras – translated as see-sickness (sic). 🙂

  114. O(o) – 09:59 ’caused by Tory misrule’

    What a thought!

    The problem, I fear, is much more complicated that that.

    The Met Office think that the Global Warming, caused, as you say, by Tory misrule, is normal, and it is this lull in temperature rise, caused, no doubt, by Prudence, is just NOT normal, especially as the CO2 concentrations have gone up relentlessly over that period.

    Government money is urgently needed to find out why the Green Agenda has failed in its first objective of reducing atmospheric CO2 concentrations but allowed global temperatures to remain the same, even though Government pronouncements, with associated Acts of Parliament, and the BBC, purveyors of Truth, have deemed that it would rise until we were fried.

    The Science is obviously not settled and that is why the Met Office are having a summit about it:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/10120055/Met-Office-to-hold-summit-on-unusual-UK-weather.html

    How dare the temperatures stop rising when Britain has hardly started de-industrialising!

  115. Are the politics of left vs right being replaced by young vs old?

    We older people are a bad lot! As people age they generally become naturally more conservative, sensible, and more suspicious and questioning of those who would rule us. Despite the best efforts of recent arrivals to our shores, the Blair generation, in the short to medium term the UK will have an increasingly ageing population.

    The ageing population is a tad inconvenient to those forty somethings in the Lab/Lib/Con permanent political class because, if sufficiently provoked, older people might choose to flex their muscles at the ballot box and vote the buggers out. Thus older people now represent a clear and present danger to these venal, malign trougho-crats. Conservatives (aka older people) must be silenced, vilified, nullified at all costs by any means possible. The MSM are complicit.

    Hence conservatives are now labeled ‘far right’,climate change deniers, fruitcakes etc. Hence the current orgy of guilt by accusation, and show trials of old men who may or may not have committed crimes thirty, forty or fifty years years ago. THEN on the the news last night I accidentally (I usually turn it off!) witnessed an item from a glib young “news” “reporter” about how pensioners were living up at the expense of the younger generation. i.e. Older people are responsible for the plight of the younger generation etc. and “something must be done” to divert money from their over generous pensions and benefits.
    Any thoughts?

  116. Ostrich (occasionally) – 09:55 – Hemlock?’

    wiki: After drinking the poison, he, [Socrates], was instructed to walk around until his legs felt numb. After he lay down, the man who administered the poison pinched his foot; Socrates could no longer feel his legs. The numbness slowly crept up his body until it reached his heart. Shortly before his death, Socrates speaks his last words to Crito: “Crito, we owe a rooster to Asclepius. Please, don’t forget to pay the debt.”

    On reflection, I think “No!”, because the present day poison starts at the other end of the body.

  117. Frank P
    June 15th, 2013 – 11:50
    Kind wishes appreciated and returned. Too many pirates aboard so awaiting the mutiny! Seriously, what did you mean about our ages? Can’t say about myself, but you are the youngest-spirited mariner around.

  118. Charles Moore I imagine won’t be on the Xmas card list of many in the NUJ what with writing a biography of Mrs T and this in today’s DT.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10120706/Woolwich-outrage-we-are-too-weak-to-face-up-to-the-extremism-in-our-midst.html

    He naturally includes his distaste of the EDL, though he doesn’t give examples either of the EDL’s behaviour or tenets which caused this visceral reaction.
    The DT naturally has closed comments, but in a passing nod to free speech has at least left 128 comments there for us read, and notice the recommendations in their hundreds!

  120. I was unable to post this response to Charles Moore before the DT closed comments:

    The really terrible thing about all this is that the longer Cameron and the rest of our political class, aided and abetted by the media, pursue their policy of appeasing those who wish to destroy our way of life, the greater the likelihood of the worst bloodshed this country has seen for nearly four hundred years. The vast majority of the British, whatever their origins, do not share the supine defeatism of the authorities and their collaborators in the media. For all its manifest faults this is our country and we will no more see it bought under the sway of an alien and totalitarian ideology than were our fathers in the last century. War is not yet inevitable, there is still time but it is running out. If we have to fight to save our country we will and the outcome is certain.

  122. I note that Diane Abbott has finally found a TV programme ideally suited to her and is a contestant right now on ‘Pointless Celebrities’. They must have laughed when they came up with that name for the programme and then again when they invited people to participate.

  123. GET THE BACON SARNIES remark loses man job.An IT consultent was offered NHS job by recruitment firm REED whose agent said she would come to the site and buy breakfast for the crew.He replied:”I’ll buy the bacon sandwiches”.He later got a call from the management accusing him of making a `racist` remark.After some words he told the caller to “sod off”.REED have now refused to represent him.[Story fom the Manchester Evening Post.]

  124. EC 22.47. 6/11
    Your Tommy Robinson is truly a screwball.
    He not only is divisive religiously but he has your quaint English attraction to the working class.
    We have had running on our public service broadcasting newsreels of a German fellow traveller called Oswald Moseley in London’s East End and I can see the pedigree.
    Is is possible for intelligent Britishers to be fooled by such as Robinson

  125. Radford NG – 18:14 ‘Bacon sandwiches’

    I was wondering whether he blurted it out in a fit of non-PC-ness, but it looks like the offer to buy breakfast was enticement.

    Why not counter claim?

  127. John Jefferson Burns@June 15th, 2013 – 18:21

    Really?
    Dont want more immigration of people hostile to our culture?
    Dont want people here who groom, drug and rape our young girls?
    dont want people here who mutilate their girls genitals?
    dont want people here who run over then hack to death a soldier in a british street.

    sounds pretty sensible to me.

    Think we have had enough of being scared of causing offence to these people. They have caused offence to our indigenous population once too often.

    ask your native population about a foreign culture coming in and destroying your culture and livelihoods. (I am assuming you are a US citizen, apologies if I am wrong)

  128. I followed EC’s 17:22 link to Pat Condell only to be faced with this dire warning.

    Singling out a billion Muslims

    The following content has been identified by the YouTube community as being potentially offensive or inappropriate. Viewer discretion is advised.

    Continue or Cancel

    Do not display this warning in the future.

  130. David Ossitt@June 15th, 2013 – 19:30

    Did you continue? did the sky fall in?

  131. John Jefferson Burns, June 15th, 2013 – 18:21

    Always a pleasure to hear from you John. You should drop by more often.

  132. John Jefferson Burns June 15th, 2013 – 18:21

    Your Tommy Robinson is truly a screwball.

    We have had running on our public service broadcasting newsreels of a German fellow traveller called Oswald Moseley in London’s East End and I can see the pedigree.

    John Tommy Robinson is certainly not a screwball neither is he a Fascist or a Nazi as your post suggests.

    You oblique comparison with and likening him to Oswald Moseley is truly silly, I apologise that what follows is a cut and paste from Wikipedia.

    Sir Oswald Ernald Mosley, 6th Baronet (16 November 1896 – 3 December 1980) was an English politician, known principally as the founder of the British Union of Fascists. He was a Member of Parliament for Harrow from 1918 to 1924, for Smethwick from 1926 to 1931 and Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster in the Labour Government of 1929–1931, a position he resigned due to his disagreement with the Labour Government’s unemployment policies. He then formed the New Party which merged with the British Union of Fascists (which included the Blackshirts) in 1932. Although relatively well funded, Mosley often overemphasized intellectual fine points that appealed to few voters, opposed free trade and associated closely with Nazi Germany.

  134. EC at19-33;Bacon sarnie item now on Daily Mail with 600 comments. “Spam,Spam,Spam,Spam/Spam,Spam,Spam,Spam”…..continue to infinity.

  136. David Ossitt @ 19:30,

    Yes, this warning is a new development.
    It seems that Pat Condell has himself been singled out.
    The PC brigade have tried to silence him before, and failed.

  138. True cost of Britain’s wind farm industry revealed
    Every job in Britain’s wind farm industry is effectively subsidised to the extent of £100,000 per year, The Telegraph can disclose.

    “A new analysis of government and industry figures shows that wind turbine owners received £1.2 billion in the form of a consumer subsidy, paid by a supplement on electricity bills last year. They employed 12,000 people, to produce an effective £100,000 subsidy on each job.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/10122850/True-cost-of-Britains-wind-farm-industry-revealed.html

    This is in ONE year. And you know where the subsidies are coming from?

  139. PfM – 16.34

    Peter, if you get any reply from Charles Moore, please let us know. By taking the “on the one hand we have murdering sociopathic Islamists wishing to impose an alien totalitarianism on us” and “on the other hand we have native born Englishmen who want to retain their freedom and their country” stance, Moore caves in to the deceitful Lefty concepts of equivalence and relativism which don’t bear examination by morality or logic.
    In an existential conflict, his Etonian equivocation is not acceptable and now that the lid of the truth about immigration is finally off, political success for his chums will depend upon choosing the right side of the fence on which to stand.

  140. Max or Mark? Not an either/or fallacy.

    Max Boot is the Jeane J. Kirkpatrick Senior Fellow in National Security Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations

    Ah, now there’s a great intellectual pedigree…(http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/defence/article3641884.ece)

    Mark Steyn is a literate clown (see King Lear).

    Max obsesses with the messenger; Mark reads the message.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/351120/big-politically-correct-brother-mark-steyn

    Who makes more sense of the NSA scandal?

  142. So that’s the 1st Amendment, the 2nd Amendment and now the 4th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States that the Obama Administration has designated for the trash can: See

    (H/T Drudge Report)

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-admits-listening-to-u.s-phone-calls-without-warrants/

    added to which the Obama Administration has an Attorney-General that seems to have prejured himself before the representatives of the American people just to top his previous sale of guns to Mexican drug cartels to shoot Americans in the USA; has a head of the NSA who doesn’t know anything about the matters raised by those representatives; and a head of the FBI who, although admittedly not given to wearing women’s clothing in private like his illustrious predecessor who kept files on those he wished to blackmail,wants us to believe that he doesn’t know how many agents have been assigned to the investigation of the abuse of the IRS for political purposes nor who is the lead FBI agent responsible for that investigation.

    Meanwhile, the look alike for the “Honorable General” heading the NSA, General Martin Dempsey, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, advises that the Special Forces who did not rescue the Americans at Benghazi did not fail to do so because they were told to stand down – but rather because they were never told to stand to in the first place! ““They weren’t told to stand down. A `stand down’ means don’t do anything,” he said. “They were told that the mission they were asked to perform was not in Benghazi, but was at Tripoli airport.” ” http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/general-special-forces-werent-told-to-stand-down-they-were-told-not-to-go/

    Meanwhile, hot on the heels of an Administration decision to come to the aid of Al Qaeda in Syria,and coincidentally get into a possible shooting match with Iran and Russia, the “National Security Agency discloses in secret Capitol Hill briefing that thousands of analysts can listen to domestic phone calls. That authorization appears to extend to e-mail and text messages too”:

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-admits-listening-to-u.s-phone-calls-without-warrants/

    But that’s alright because, as useful idiots on the conservative right have informed us, this information only came out because punks leaked it and can therefore be disregarded.

    With these characters running the United States,and not even to mention the Federal Reserve Bank and its gross incompetencies and escroqueries, one can only hope that Edward Snowden took care to hack into and copy for future use before he left America some of these people’s more pertinent emails and phone calls that will speed them each and every one on a fast track to a federal penitentiary for a good long stretch of porridge.

    The Obama Administration is a clear and present danger to American national security and to American lives. And who else?

  143. Malfleur @08:57

    The Chicago – Washington axis won’t ever do away with the 5th because they have been making good use of it in the last month, and will, no doubt, be saving it for future use!

  145. RobertC, June 15th, 2013 – 23:52

    “And you know where the subsidies are coming from?”

    It’s theft, pure and simple.

    Cui bono? Certainly not the environment, wildlife or the taxpayer. As many have elaborated both here and at the other place it is primarily an economic scam imposed on us by lobby bitch politicians of the Lab/Lib/Con cabal. It’s one of a number of measures being imposed in order to transfer of wealth from the public into private hands.

  146. Can anyone please help me; in an email to a long time friend (a retired science master) whilst discussing so called global warming/climate change I used the phrase:-

    “I am still highly sceptical, for me there are far too many with a vested interest and the fact that the BBC are restricting most arguments against does not fill me with any confidence.

    His reply surprised me in that he replied:-

    “but what’s that about the BBC restricting the argument? I haven’t heard anything about that.”

    I am sure that there are various links that show and prove that the BBC are taking the line that the arguments ‘for’ are now complete and that they have no need to mention any alternate arguments.

    Can anyone provide me with links to send on to him to prove this BBC prejudice?

  148. Who mentioned DEWSBURY before.apart from me?There’s newspaper there edited by Danny Lockwood,author of `The Islamic Republic of Dewsbury`.Latest item is of 14yr. old boy violently attacked and nearly killed.News links lead to 3 items about the trial of the anti-EDL bombers[with more info then elsewhere]/an item on a `rape hotel`/a scathing editorial on the failure of Radio 5 to drop the `bomb case` in favour of rescue of donnier bomber.Some links not clear,but should be found at http://www.thepressnews.co,uk/NewsDetails.asp?id=3925#.

  152. “Man held as four stabbed at mosque in Birmingham”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-22924456

    “According to Mr Shafiq, a nearby resident believed the dispute was a domestic incident between members.”

    “BBC Midlands correspondent Peter Wilson reported: “All lines of enquiry are being investigated, but this does not appear to be a hate crime attack.”

    Move along there, nothing to see here!

  153. EC (10:14)

    Concise and spot-on! Your last sentence should be illuminated and placed in the anals of Downing Street.

  154. Tommy Robinson steamrollers Wark and then Paxman so Andrew Neill says ‘get him on the Sunday Politics show – I’ll sort him out.’ And whaddaya know, A.N. gets steamrollered as well. What a hoot!

  155. Alexsandr
    June 16th, 2013 – 11:09

    David Ossitt@June 16th, 2013 – 11:05

    This help?

    Yes immensely, thank you very much.

  156. Had to hurry off to watch TV.Tommy Robinson given hard time by Andrew NEIL.Much easier time given to Farooq Murad of Islamic Council of G.B.[What is known about him?There are too many to keep up with.] `Sunday Politics` is repeated on i player.

  157. I hear that the machete-in-the- mosque attack wasn’t a “hate crime”.
    So is it love alone that motivates a man to hack his fellow worshippers?

  158. Frank Sutton@June 16th, 2013 – 13:06

    Beeb were reporting early this morning that the man was ‘of Somali appearance’, but could not confirm that. Seems this came from social media.

  160. “Mr Robinson said that he had threats to his family “every day, and no one gets arrested”, adding there was a “two-tier police system in this country where people are being arrested for saying anything.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10123375/I-am-not-a-Nazi-says-EDL-leader-Tommy-Robinson.html

    “David Cameron: Britain’s police are only ‘relatively honest’ Britain only has a “relatively honest police force”, according to David Cameron.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10123283/David-Cameron-Britains-police-are-only-relatively-honest.html

  161. Radford NG@June 16th, 2013 – 13:10

    Buses are all fitted with CCTV inside and out these days. Are plod investigating and seeking to make arrests?
    Will Arriva still operate their buses through Saville town? Bet they wont any more.

  162. Alexsandr, June 16th, 2013 – 13:09: It must be a great comfort to the injured mosque goers that their attacker was not a kaffir, and therefore no hate was involved.

  163. Malfleur at 13-46: On `twitter`can be seen the violent–and often obscene–threats made,nearly everyday,to Tommy Robinson and his wife and daughter./…./All the rest is silence as I’ve reached the limit of free down-loads this month at the Telegraph.

  164. Radford NG @ 13.10

    At the end of the article about young mu$lim$ ongoing ethnic cleansing of Dewsbury there is the following..

    ‘Anyone with information should contact PC Shanaz Ahmed’

    There’s a risk not worth taking.

  166. Alexsandr, we know that there are hundreds of British Muslims in Syria with the Islamic terrorists. They will all be coming home some time, with experience in killing and well armed by the British Government.

  167. D. Ossit

    Re BBC Man Made AGW.

    Delingpole had links to a secret meeting held a few years back where the decision was made to ‘no longer treat the theory as theoretical’ but instead to treat the theory as ‘fact’. This is part would be why the BBC ‘sat on’ the ‘climate gate’ e-mails.
    PS the BBC also invested their pension scheme in ‘re newable energy’ hence the journalists all have a direct personal financial interest in Govn. subsidy for this ‘industry’.

    If you cannot find the info on Delingpole’s DT blog, tell me & I’ll go a-searching.

  171. Two smashing colour photographs of the countryside around somewhere in Yorkshire called Muker in Swaledale, along with some of wild flowers, illustrate an article in the House & Home section of the Weekend FT on the loss of the meadow in England along with the decline in haymaking. They triggered my own childhood memory of running through an Essex meadow full of wildflowers and stirring up zig-zagging butterflies and leaping grasshoppers. What a paradise it looks from those two photographs, caught perhaps on the only sunny day of summer.

    I picked up a copy of the Spectator in Hong Kong airport on Saturday. There’s a fine review of a book by John Grimond of “This Boy”, a book on his own childhood in the 1950s by Alan Johnson, though mainly in praise of his mother and sister. Not many butterflies for him – but two fine women remembered.

  172. Abu Hamza was finally deported after running up a huge bill for himself and his family. Now we await the departure of another ‘holy’ man, Abu Qatada. Three Syrians threatened the safety of an Egyptian plane in the air, and are now seeking sanctuary here in this green and pleasant land. Their arrival has been given minimum publicity, and probably the Bleeding Hearts will ignore the fact that these barbarians were ready to blow up a plane, and will receive them with open arms. Don’t even know if they are so holy, as it has been mentioned by Putin that cannabalism takes place amongst the rebels. Question: Is the meat killed by the Hallal method?

  174. Peter, that’s why I’ve almost given up writing. I read everybody’s postings, but I am too sickened to write. I can’t be bothered to preach to the converted, the time for jaw-jaw-jaw has past, and it appears that Britain is prepared to roll over and surrender to the muslims. It’s a nightmare from which it seems there is no awakening.

  175. Malfleur@June 17th, 2013 – 08:23

    Swaledale is lovely. Walk from Muker to Keld and back through the meadows. Its a secret bit of Swaledale with no road. You can vary it by taking the path on the other sode of the river for the return journey. There are a couple of buses a day if the return walk is too much.
    Nice cafe in Keld, where you can sit in the garden, and back in Muker there is the Farmers Arms, a splendid pub.

  176. Alexsandr June 17th, 2013 – 10:39
    Malfleur@June 17th, 2013 – 08:23

    Swaledale is lovely.

    This brings back a fond memory, I have never as a child or as an adult played truant but just the once.

    Our youngest who was forty this year was about six, the day was glorious and so I cancelled that day’s work, kept Sarah out of school and headed with my wife and daughter of towards the North and Swaledale.

    It was when we had left all of the main roads and I was driving down a hillside country lane with high stone walls at each side that on turning a corner I had to swerve sharply and drive up what little bit of verge there was to allow a fully grown bull to pass, he was charging up the hill towards us with a large piece of rawhide tied to his face, in effect a blind-fold.

    As we continued a loan farmer and dog came chasing after the bull, at the bottom was the farmers wife, we stopped to ask what was going on, the story was that the ‘bull’ was a jumper of walls, the vet had suggested the blind-fold to discourage this practice but on this first trial the bull had walked up to the wall butted it walked backwards and then run at and cleared the wall to freedom.

    All of the Dales are pretty, however Swaledale is particularly so.

  177. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 June 17th, 2013 – 09:36

    “Britain is prepared to roll over and surrender to the muslims. It’s a nightmare from which it seems there is no awakening.”

    Chin up Anne, things will improve, please do not be downhearted.

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