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PfM 15th, – 08:16
“The Spanish Inquisition was not Christian in its excess,”
Didn’t the Spanish Inquisition, after condemning a heretic, hand him over to the civil power for execution, a sleight of hand by which they were able to claim that there was no blood on their hands…which has a precedent in very early Christian history?
Ostrich, in very early Christian history Christians were always on the recieving end of violence, as is the situation now. In the later period, when the Roman Empire became Christian and the state began to interfere in Christian controversies, exile was the usual means of dealing with dissent from the Imperial position. Certainly there were many deaths of Christians at the hand of the empire, but this was generally because the Emperor wished to impose his own views across the Empire. It was much less because Christians considered execution a reasonable penalty. Indeed I can’t think off hand of any Christian sentenced to death for not toeing the Imperial line, though I can think of many who died in various circumstances or at the hands of wicked men thinking they did the Imperial will.
Baron, I had said in my post that there should not be theological argument with most Muslims, but they should be asked to respond to the facts of Islamic violence around the world.
Baron
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I see they’ve decided the abandon the Liverpool Care Pathway.
My guess is that this will be a Windscale exercise. Obviously a new name is required. and proud Scousers will be glad that this stain has been removed from their eternal city.
So what place will now be proxy for the Grim Reaper? Various come to mind – I’m toying with the Tower Hamlets way of Martyrdom, but I’m sure there are better suggestions to be made.
Personally I’m a bit miffed, as it makes redundant a ditty I was working up for our staff Christmas show… “Im taking the pathway, The Liverpool Pathway, if it’s the last thing I do…”
Oh Well
Baron
Three excellent posts in a row!
Agree that British law should deal with criminal behaviour in this country; that incomers, who demand that the law provides immunity for their own wacky superstitions, should be deported pronto and that the highest appeal should be British based Courts. But as it is, not only has the law been debased by Leftist apparatchiks, but also they – and now our current abortion of an administration – have consistently and progressively betrayed our sovereignty for many decades.
Islam, seeing that Gramsci’s scheme plan has been, post mortem, so successful, will attempt to further exploit the manifest weakness of successive indigenous regimes, to feed their current jihad. The Muslim Brotherhood is acting as the vanguard in that modus operandi (throughout the West – not just here).
While not endorsing street violence or provocation (and I know you agree on that too), I join you in urging dogged political resistance to all further attempts to subvert our culture; an immediate rescinding of all ‘hate’ laws or any other implied strictures on free speech and as for various religious sects (‘ours’ and theirs) arguing the toss about which of their superstitions has less blood on its hands – futile! I’ve been skipping through the 18th Century and the Seven Years War for the past few days; it’s worth a re-up for parallels.
If behaviour is within the statuary strictures in place to proscribe offences against the person or property and general street civil commotion (the basis of all reasonable law when I trained), then carry on: in that regard tolerance is required. What is intolerable, is imposition of outsiders of their ‘rules’. As for outsiders imposing their rules from foreign based citadels of corruption: “Foxtrot Oscar!” should be the inevitable imperative in response to such impertinence.
Debating with rat-faced parasites like Hassan is counter-productive. He survives on the oxygen therefrom. There is far too much ol’ chat in pointless attempts to persuade brainwashed bigots, too much time spent in fostering tolerance of the intolerable – and seceding ground against the inexorable advance of an evil cult.
What we need is a government who will not only stand its ground, but correct the reverses of the last three decades in particular. Is that possible? Not on current showing. Will the electorate wake up before 2016? Unlikely.
There is too much venal interest all ideological lunacy – laced with a culture of entitlement and hedonism on the grand scale. Just turn on the radio and listen to current ‘popular’ music to understand just how far we are down the drain. A cacophony of caterwauling cats would be less unpleasant.
Frank @ 12.06
You re making Baron even more confused that he normally is what with his age, poor education, the high degree of decrepitude…. Give the barbarian from the East at least another letter, please.
Frank @ 13.14
Frank, what can one say? Not just another letter, but a full argument wrapped up in a language that cannot be bettered.
Baron’s still holding on to his belief that there remains in the society a ‘healthy core of Englishness’, that invisible but potent force, currently dormant, sneered at by the anointed, a force derived from centuries honed DNA of an island based tribe which, when ruffled and stirred up, can and does change the course of history.
We may have not yet reached that point but must be close. Sultan Knish’s piece today is worth reading. Talking about America (but it’s applicable not only to the Yanks): ‘This isn’t North Korea or Iran. Our elections are real for the most part. But so is gambling in Vegas. Just because the game is reasonably honest, doesn’t mean that it still isn’t rigged.
http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/
Baron, the game is surely designed to be irrelevant. It doesn’t matter who wins, of the main parties. Whatever the combination will end up with the same results. The game is fundamentally a fraud. We no longer vote for a government made up of representatives of the electorate, but are offered the choice of political companies, with their own agendas and shareholders who demand a regular dividend.
Cigar chompin’ John Jefferson ‘Mixin’ Fawcett’ Burns MCMXCVDIII
Tell you what, JJB, coming from a nation with a national debt of USD 16 trillion, a President who has never had a job and whose third biggest export is Mariah Carey, why don’t you keep your half-baked homilies to yourself this week, eh?
(To explain the reference to mixin’ fawcetts. I was on a plane to India once. Further down the row, a likely Southern Bapist cousin of yours turned to his Sikh neighbour and, with all the subtlety and insight for which your nation is famed, bellowed, ‘Say, Buddy!!! Do they have MIXIN’ FAWCETTS in the Bombay hotels?!?!?’ The Sikh smiled and pretended not to understand, whereupon his assailant shrugged, opened his Fodor’s guide to Inja, and duly split the spine right down the middle. Your more sophisticated Southern Baptist cousin? You betcha ?!?!?!?)
Anne you posted the following on the Enoch Powell – a prophet for our times?
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 July 10th, 2013 – 15:29
“Yet, apart from David Starkey, it seems every poet, writer, TV commentator, historian etc. must be a socialist.”
Hello Anne, I have had similar thoughts for many years but I have now come to a rather different conclusion and that is that many writers’ poets and TV-friendly personalities have to ape those of the left or even pretend to hold PC-opinions in order to be able to work within the BBC and mainstream left of centre media.
It is a pernicious evil.
Saturday Night and Sunday Morning in old Altona : Turkish youths have rioted against the police for three nights in Germany;no reports in the English media.Details can be found at*Gates of Vienna*. Or SEE http://www.bild.de/regional/hamburg/randale/in-hamburg-altona-31300900.bild.html
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David Ossitt
July 15th, 2013 – 14:45
Hi David, I have also wondered whether some writers, artistes and other media personalities have just pretended to be lefties in order to obtain BBC and radio work. However, isn’t it really a form of intellectual prostitution? It’s bad enough if one is really a marxist, but to pretend to be one is surely being the lowest form of
animal life. Who would want to be a Milliband, Brown, Blair, Livingstone, Harman, ….excuse me whilst I purge myself! 🙂
Anne, too many generations have surely been too silent. And in being silent have given authority to the voices of socialism. Was it a mistake to vote out Churchill? To allow Powell to be sidelined? To hope that Blair had the magic touch? The rot goes back a long way. Centuries even. The same words have always been used to conceal another agenda – democracy, fairness and equality.
ACP
EC’s notion that you are also JJB gains credence by the minute. A faux foil to your rapier wit? 🙂
Please sate my curiosity. What bad experience induced your scorn for the Septics? Is it universal, patchy or particular? I would genuinely be interested to know.
OTOH it’s probably
(a) none of my feckin’ business,
and
(b) given recent history, something I should have in common.
But not all of it/them, surely?
[I know … I know …cue Leslie Nielsen].
Quite incensed at school propaganda : SEE http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/students-spreading-message-diversity/story-19519916-detail/story.html#axzz2z8KNGsVq
Seems there is a Gay Olympics planned. Even Gay Paralympics. This is not fair. This is not diversity! Why should the luvvies have their own olympics, whereas we heterosexuals have to be content with just Olympics? Final thought. The original games took place with the competitors stark naked. If we did this too, perhaps we could tell the sheep from the goats, figuratively speaking!
AWK1
“excuse me whilst I purge myself!”
Such a lovely word ‘purge’ it is strange how a single word can say so much.
I had a Hindu colleague who had a very fat wife and he would almost tremble with joy from pleasure the word ‘flesh’ gave him.
I had an adorable Irish-setter who; even if in a deep sleep would spring into the air if the word chocolate was whispered.
David Ossitt
July 15th, 2013 – 19:55
Irish-setters are lovely dogs, but they say chocolate is poisonous for dogs. I used to allow my terrier a square of chocolate once a week, and I’d just say chocolate, before fetching the bar, and he’d bark with joy. Happy days!
This is audio of the immigration debate The Spectator held.
If you haven’t got an hour and a half, these are Peter Hitchens’ contributions on the counter device:
21:15 to 29:35 mins (that’s his five-minute speech in reply to David Goodhart)
1:01:30 hours (question from the floor)
1:09:50 hours (question from the floor; Andrew Neil and Hitchens lock horns; Medhi Hasan interrupts)
1:27:30 hours (question from the floor; during this contribution Andrew Neil tells Hitchens to ‘shut up’ – Neil is incredibly rude (I hope nobody pays money to Andrew Neil publications).
1:33:00 you can hear Hitchens try to say something as Hasan witters on about the age of the panel. I think what he’s trying to say when Hasan talks about the views of those aged 18-24 is that the indigenes are becoming a minority, so of course the older people surveyed are going to be different from the younger.
I don’t know if that’s what he was trying to say, but that’s what I’d guess.
The other thing I would say – and I notice it in the Oxford Union debate about ‘Islam is a religion of peace’ is that what young person could speak against these issues without committing professional suicide at a very young age?
If you are an established public figure with the mortgage paid and kids grown up, that is very different from someone trying to make their way in the world.
We know from Peter Hitchens first-hand just how he is snubbed by the BBC.
Who would be young and put themselves forward for a panel to talk about this and not be PC?
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/07/the-view-from-22-debate-special-too-much-immigration-too-little-integration/
David Goodhart’s thesis is disgracefully disingenuous.
Labour knows that people have finally woken up about mass immigration because only now it is on their doorsteps.
A lot of people who didn’t use to have to live in mixed race post codes loved to talk the talk without walking the walk.
They have run and run, but have now virtually run out of white flight places to go.
Goodhart is desperate to limit the damage to Labour.
His suggestion is that it was all an accident!
Labour is Macbeth trying to wash its hands of blood.
It absolutely has to distance itself from its deliberate legacy to stand any chance of credibility at election time with poor white people.
The Tories are equally culpable, but Labour has to get its ducks in a row now before the next election.
It’s all spin.
What I like is how many ‘promises’ the Tories are making, all oh so conveniently taking effect after the next election – and no-one believes them.
That’s how thin the layers of spin are now.
They just flake off.
‘Get Lynton Crosby to paint on another layer.’
Don’t bother, Lynton.
We’ve had enough of jam ‘tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow’.
FibLabCon are genocide writ large.
If you listen to the whole debate, there is the constant downplaying of Andrew Neather’s revelations.
Medhi Hasan says most ex-Labour ministers don’t know who Andrew Neather is.
What a red herring.
They don’t need to know who he is (although Im sure they did after he let the cat out of the bag).
Trevor Phillips says even if Labour wanted to deliberately open the borders it couldn’t!
Labour was always expert at using proxies to achieve its ends.
One chief proxy was the Human Rights Act. This shifted the ground from accountable immigration policy to human rights.
Another example is Common Purpose: hiring diversity officers in local government and so on just to give immigrants’ non-jobs.
Where Common Purpose was (and is) most effective was in the Borders agency.
It was run for a long while by a Common Purpose gradute who now works at HMRC.
The official narrative (that Labour was fine with) was that the Borders agency was incompetent.
‘Not us, Labour ministers, you see, it’s the bureaucrats’ fault.’
And if the bureaucrats were Left-wingers who knew if they sabotaged the system Labour could achieve its goal of mass immigration without ever having its fingerprints on the policy?
Why did that woman get another job so easily?
What was it about her former department’s ‘incompetence’ that so impressed the people who hired her for her next job?
How very networky it all looks.
And last week the Borders agency said it would take umpteen years to clear the backlog – how convenient if you’re pro-immigration.
And who should pop up the next day saying there should be another amnesty: Boris Johnson.
On a day when three more Tory councillors have defected to UKIP
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/three-more-tories-defecting-to-ukip-8709431.html
to add to the four Tory councillors in Hounslow who defected to UKIP in June, the Telegraph has a poll with UKIP support ‘tailing’ off.
Fancy!
What do the following have in common: Florence Griffiths-Joyner, Christine Ohurogu, Ben Johnson, Dwain Chambers, Asafa Powell, Tyson Gay?
Just askin’.
Usain Bolt?
Jamaica has a very different dope testing system to other countries, so while testing at competitive events is consistent, the jurisdiction where people train and get tested is often very inconsistent, so long-term little helpers could slip in unnoticed and not be picked up later.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/08/12/bernstein-usain-bolt-is-probably-doping-and-you-know-it/
All Quiet on the Elbe Tonight ; but…`Bild`[16 July]warns:”poverty immigration risks social peace”. AND: “…..massive immigration of Bulgarians and Romanians (437,000 in 3 years) changed the municipalities…..” An official report warns against consequences for `social peace`……It was the Mayor of Duisburg (who God preserve ) told us British some months ago what was coming our way. SEE http://www.bild.de
Night Nurse
Thanks for the link to the immigration debate at the Spectator. I am always interested to hear Peter Hitchens’ comments against the grain.
When I saw your link. I happened to have just been watching what must have beem Christopher Hitchens’ parting shot in public debate in New York October 2010 pn the topic “Is Islam a Religion of Peace”. I don’t know whether CHWs have already seen it, and it has probably been posted here before, but it is worth seeing, probably more than once. So:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMraxhd9Z9Q
Ignore the “against the grain link”, I don’t know how that happened…
Oldest intellectual construction in the World created by our ancestors in Northern Britain (Aberdeenshire).A lunar calendar has been found that is 10,000 years old.SEE http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-23286928
Well, I listened to the whole “debate” and what a dispiriting experience it was, not least for the evidence of the widespread degradation of spoken English.
Evidence also was provided in the overall handling of the event of the fraud which the Spectator perpetuates in advertising itself as a conservative magazine, except perhaps in the sense that its soul mates, the New Labour Party and the New Statesman, for example, can be understood as ancient institutions of a debilitated Britain that are propped up, or conserved, as banks of ideological capital accumulated during the 1970s from which funds can be drawn on by those who make “racism” and other politically correct targets the foundation of their careers in the media or politics.
I was interested to hear Peter Hitchens refer to the number of times he had been arrested and found himself in gaol in the 1960s when he was a member of the far left. Interesting in that there are the Wall’s own men without sin who have thrown stones at Tommy Robinson and then taken a vow of silence never to address the question of the activities of the English Defence League or Mr. Robinson’s leadership because any organisation which could be led by a man with form from ten years or so ago is not fit to be observed objectively by these paragons. Why, we should be tearing up Mr. Hitchens’ articles in the Daily Mail and burning them in the street on that principle.
The other truth which the Spectator debate demonstrated was that there is no real loyal opposition in Britain and that we are in effect governed by a three-party Coalition. The Coalition has, in the media, its bovver boys like Andrew Neil and a three-line whip is usually on. Our last best hope would seem to be UKIP and the test will come as the political economy falls apart later this year. The recent call by the government for the people to form neighbourhood committees to provide assistance to the elderly is to be commended and something similar by way of structure should be considered for the parallel government of the people for the people and by the people which will be required in civil society across the board as the political economy cracks up. Welcome back the Co-Op?
Malfleur, I wonder if we will see a return to the pre-Welfare State type of arrangements that many people used to participate in. Friendly Societies, Co-Operatives, local community provision of services to those who made a regular small contribution, local charities, almshouses etc. The temptation is always to prescribe local solutions from the centre, but that is simply to perpetuate the totalitarianism we are increasingly experiencing.
I wonder what a map of local charitable, volunteer and co-operative activities would look like in Maidstone? To what extent is there already the beginning of a parallel civil society as the centre collapses even while it thinks it is strongest?
That might be another interesting project, providing a website that mapped civil society by location.
PoM – We cannot go back to what would most likely turn out to be a better place until people are prepared to accept responsibility for themselves and their actions.
The suggestion today that Child Benefit should not extend to a third child for those on benefits and the predictable howls of outrage would suggest that there is still too far to travel.
As we start from a position where the feckless have no savings, nor the skills/attitudes/aptitudes to be employed, benefits will remain their primary choice. Society must slowly row back and true poverty must be allowed to reappear. Until not working is too horrendous a choice to contemplate will things change. Poverty means going without, going hungry, kids not having the latest toys and gadgets and a host of other “demeaning” losses.
You have no right to life itself unless you work for it. That is the truth for every society – indeed, every species. Mankind has saddled itself with a parasite of its own making – other humans. No other species does this – watch the indifference of other antelopes as the Lions take one animal. And please – no arguments that it is our humanity that separates us from the animals. Until we face up to the fact that there are simply too many people on the surface of the Earth, the future we are faced with is to travel the same road as the dinosaurs.
The latest report from Clare M Lopez is chilling and deeply depressing. I wondered when she would issue forth, as even people like Charles Krauthammer and others in the Fox stable have started to urge a sit-down with the Brotherhood and simply don’t seem to realise the pervasive danger of The Project, or if they do, they’ve been ordered by the top editorial cabal to toe the ‘pragmatic’ line. The fuckers will ‘pragmatise’ us into extinction at this rate, as Clear Memories points out in another, but not unconnected context above:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3850/america-joins-jihad
Here’s her executive summary:
“Instead of presenting a firm defense of American principles based on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the entire U.S. national security leadership simply caved in to this attempt to suborn the government. The FBI submissively complied with these jihadist demands, purging its anti-terrorist curriculum of hundreds of pages that an undisclosed group deemed “offensive to Muslims.” Next demand? The removal of HAMAS from the U.S. Foreign Terrorist Organizations list.”
But read it all, please. It makes our own government’s sins and omissions pale by comparison; or it would – if Cameron wasn’t dancing to Valerie Jarret’s script anyway.
Clear Memories, the howls of protest are surely from the usual and expected parties. The opinions of ordinary people are not being heard. If we wait for the political class to represent us, or the media, we will be waiting a long time. If we are to act then it must be on our own authority, and if we are to speak then it must be through channels of communication that are not already controlled by those with their own agendas.
Michael Savage is asking “what is a hate crime”? (Savage Nation 15 July) To him a crime is a crime.
Mark Steyn is drawing parallels between Obama and George III/James II. (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/352950/unconstitutional-monarchy-mark-steyn)
I see that Mishal Husain has been promoted to the Today programme where she will be able to add an Islamic perspective to political events in the UK.
Peter from Maidstone@July 16th, 2013 – 09:42
Maybe we should look back to the old poor law at the end. Then it provided a place for the destitute to stay, and ‘outdoor relief’ to those in need in their own homes.
but it was a county council responsibility so the payers and the payees still had a connection, rather than a national scheme where the provider is ‘them’
I am thinking how it was in 1900, not 1837, by the way. Very different.
Alexsandr, I do agree. I’ve been reading some of the history of provision for the poor at the turn of the century and it was quite advanced, and locally connected. The same with education. All of the Church Schools which are still part of our landscape, or the other schools established as local charitable organisations. And growing up in a local evangelical congregation, we still supported what were essentially Christian charitable hospitals in the UK.
The idea that the state should take responsibility for everything and that the state could and should meet every need – indeed every demand – from cradle to grave, was and is just plain wrong and part of a deliberate process of totalitarianism.
I had contacted BBC Look North, among other journalists and organisations, to ask why they had not covered the soldier beaten unconscious in Barnsley. I have received the following response today..
Thank you for your email. I’m sorry to take so long to reply.
We did look into this and contacted South Yorkshire Police. We were advised that the person concerned did not want to be identified; nor did he or members of his family wish to be interviewed about it. We were also not convinced that the fact he was a soldier was relevant to what happened. Had the victim (or indeed the police) wished to speak about what happened we may well have taken a different view, but that was not the case.
Of course the press are always careful not to investigate or publicise any person or incident if those involved don’t wish it to be considered in the media. Indeed if Saatchi had only made it clear he didn’t want the incident with his wife reported they would not have printed a word.
Going back to the past? Well, an excellent thing would be if social housing/council & housing associations only rented to married couples or single people without children. No teen-age unmarried mothers, and no chavs with multiple partners. Housing for decent, working people. Then GPs should work a decent day. They are well-paid, however much they moan. If GP surgeries were open until at least 9 in the evening, A&E departments would not be so overcrowded. Doctors should work shifts and not dump unsocial hours on their registrars and agency locums. Most practices have several doctors, so two evening/night shifts would not be a hardship, and they would get to know their patients better.
P from M 14:22 Bravo! Applause!
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Peter from Maidstone @ 09:42
“That might be another interesting project, providing a website that mapped civil society by location.”
Another good idea. And then link up.
……………….
Michael Savage in the USA on The Savage Nation July 15: “How much more can my poor country take?”
Peter f. M. at 13-26 : An ex-soldier died after being assulted in Rugby on Sun.7 July.Again there is no information except a denial it was a `race`attack as rumoured……..The top story in todays paper is of a 15 year old muslem boy stabbed to death in Yardly. SEE http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/soldier-david-ryding-death-race-5098626
Radford, thanks for that reference. It seems there is something serious going on. Since when have assaults of any type just been ignored by the press?
“Birmingham In Lock-down As 1000 Police Called-in For EDL Rally.” The EDL are having a `static` demonstation in the centre of Birmingham this Saturday [20 July].Presumably,partly,because that’s where those convicted of planning to bomb a previous EDL rally came from.It is static because there are no laws against it (although these are being called for) where-as marches can be banned…..The Birmingham establishment –police,party leaders,religious leaders[Christian,Jewish,Muslem,Hindu]—have issued a statement waffling about extremism,hate,tolerence,peace……..They might be challenged on their last paragraph with:”So you support the policies of the EDL do you?Why don’t you say so? SEE http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/birmingham-lockdown-1000-police-called-5105137
“The Girl With The Dolphin Tattoo”
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Not to be missed!
Anne Wotana Kaye 1@July 16th, 2013 – 13:26
Anne. you are dead right about doctors being open outside ‘business hours’ I do long commutes so seeing he doc or he nurse is difficult.
Needs sorting.
Hospitals are just as bad, Alexsandr. Over the weekend there was hardly anyone senior to care for my M-i-L, and then Monday morning the wards are full until home time when it is a struggle to find appropriate staff. No wonder there is a 25% greater risk of mortality at the weekends.
EC (16:55)
Thanks for the heads up – one of his best. Obviously even our wet Military Chiefs are beginning to get pissed off with the petticoat government of a pussy-whipped ‘Prime Minister’ and his Deputy Wanker.
Why has Farage gone to ground again? Isn’t this the time to be consolidating the impetus of the UKIP Spring? Were they serious? Or was it a one by-election stand? Though I don’t pay much attention to polls, it does seem to have gone very quiet. Our man in the loop, Noa, is very schtum – hope he’s not ailing.
If this has been linked before – may apologies. Anyway, it’s worth another reminder:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MDlZk89oaQ
This should be linked in conjunction with my (18:27); but I’m afraid Anne will have to excuse herself again for another purging:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy9tNyp03M0
His resemblance to Hitler is not coincidental.
h/t Standpoint Magazine btw.
PoM: “if we are to speak then it must be through channels of communication that are not already controlled by those with their own agendas”
Hear, hear!
Looking at the websites of The Guardian, the Telegraph, Spectator, Daily Mail and so on I detect the alarm of the Powers That Be and not just in the way they disallow comments, but also the subtlety of control by deciding there will be no comments today, when normally there would be.
As much as they all delete comments, don’t allow them through in the first place or just close comment pages altogether, make no mistake – they want us debating on their websites, so that we end up debating and thinking on their terms.
And where they and the authorities can observe us.
They know full well that if they stop that, the debate will go elsewhere and out of their control – and they have hated that ever since the internet arrived.
During the week of the Thatcher funeral and later the week of Rigby’s death, a much higher proportion of opinion pieces and news stories were not allowed comments on The Mail, Telegraph and Spectator.
Not all, by any means, but there were a lot of complaints about it on other threads, saying why can’t we comment on that other major story on another internet page?
The reason being that people who normally have an opinion about Islam but don’t have the time or energy to voice it sure as hell wanted to voice it that week.
Up went the order: pull the comment threads.
Newspaper have always acted in concert with MI5 and other parts of government to quell mass opinion and I do not doubt that media/MI5 co-ordination has grown around the web over the past few years.
The Telegraph and Spectator make people log-in to an account and send their email addresses a copy of what they have written.
All of that is clearly being used to build up profiles of individuals who the authorities decide they might like to keep a closer eye on, depending on what they say.
The Mail is designed not to host complex, thinking opposition by limiting the number of characters people can use.
It is also extremely censorious.
Subjects out of bounds include Paul Dacre and Viscount Rothermere (editor and proprietor), but many, many other comments do not get through and even when they do, they are often removed after the event in big comment culls.
And don’t mention the Barclay twins on the Specatator or the Telegraph.
The Guardian is very quick to close comment accounts and remove things.
Those are just the ones I’m very familiar with.
I have to say it has astonished me that people still want to hang around those comment threads.
I know the debate can be bigger on a mainstream newspaper, but in a Big Brother culture it really isn’t worth it.
Those debates are slowly becoming more and more manipulated and scrutinised by the media owners.
Newspapers have always been propaganda tools and they will not want to stop that now.
They just know that they have to be subtle about it.
Good post, Night Nurse.
I wonder if there is scope to create a news aggregation site (Coffee House News) where key stories from various newspapers are linked to, with an opening paragraph, or whatever is allowed by copyright, and then for each story (not trying to reproduce everything of course) there would be a free comments section. This might especially work on stories which newspapers have entirely shut down? (taking into account sub judice situations etc)
Peter from Maidstone@July 16th, 2013 – 19:52
Guido has the seen elsewhere on the right of his site. Summat like that with a comment box next to each thingy would do it I reckon.
Scotland the brave:
http://www.thepoke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/f7itC.jpg
Frank P @ 17:52
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2365891/Farage-attacks-spineless-clueless-Miliband-condemning-union-attack-UKIP.html
“A government watchdog has found for the first time that confidential tax records of several political candidates and campaign donors were improperly scrutinized by government officials, but the Justice Department has declined to prosecute any of the cases.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/15/feds-admit-improper-scrutiny-candidate-donor-tax-r/#ixzz2ZF5PkiT9
Who, upon reading the above, can doubt what the criminals in the White House might do with information gleaned from the NSA surveillance of the entire American population in violation of the 4th Amendment to the United States constitution?
I note that the article in the DM on Farage to which I refer above states that a “secret report” by Unite union brands UKIP as “pre-fascist”.
That polemic is reminiscent in a through-the-looking-glass way of the interim profascists on the left in the 1930s before the Nazis had launched their invasion of Russia. Prominent among those Frenchmen on the streets of Paris, for instance, welcoming Hitler’s troops as they entered the capital were enthusiastic members of the French Communist Party. No doubt there was similar excitement among some members of the Labour Party at that time.
Frank P @ 15 July 17:42
A belated response to your perfectly fair question (I don’t visit the site every day). I always ‘had mae doots’ but hardened for good and all against the Septics after the cowardly bombing of Serbia in 1999. In a multipolar world, the ‘my enemy’s enemy …’ fallacy holds less water than ever it did, so my default anti-Americansim does not compel fealty to any of Manuel Barroso, Anjem Chowdary or Vladimir Putin, between whom there exists no meaningful order of precedence in the pantheon of James Hunts. My opinions were fortified over the next few years by the unfailingly forensic but broadly pro-Slavic articles by John Laughland, back in the day when the Speccie still had a smattering of intelligent columnists. His demolition of the gimcrack processes and ill-grounded jurisdiction of most international tribunals (see eg ‘Travesty’ (2006)) set the benchmark and probably goes a long way to explaining my, er, lack of reverence towards Daniel Korski.
Hope you’re well.
“Peter from Maidstone
July 16th, 2013 – 12:01
I see that Mishal Husain has been promoted to the Today programme where she will be able to add an Islamic perspective to political events in the UK.”
She may well add something of the sort to the Today prog. but let’s hope she eschews the habit of the other woman (Montague?) to shout over the responses of interviewees.
I consider it to be somewhat provocative that the BBC should appoint this person with her strong Pakistani background to the position; appoint a woman certainly, but why could they not find one from British stock to work in the British Broadcasting Company?
HFC, there are apparently no British women who could fulfill the requirements of the role. We may guess what they are.
HFC 17th, – 12:17
“but why could they not find one from British stock to work in the British Broadcasting Company?”
Divorsity?
Ostrich (occasionally)
July 17th, 2013 – 12:35
HFC 17th, – 12:17
“but why could they not find one from British stock to work in the British Broadcasting Company?”
Divorsity?
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Balding, or some other from the Sapphic Cabal!
My eldest; he will be fifty the day after Boxing-day next, was a marathon runner, who ran them regularly for charities.
A nasty, very sever road accident in 2010 has put a permanent end to his running however as a help to recovery he has taken up cycling with great enthusiasm and will be competing in “The Way of the Roses” this coming August Bank Holiday.
His chosen charity is ‘Help for Heroes’ his reasons for choosing to support this noble cause can be read at.
https://www.justgiving.com/Simon-Ossitt
So on the day the Government forces gay marriage down our throats and makes marriage meaningless, we also have the Government telling us that we need milliopns and millions more immigrants to migrate here making the British people meaningless.
Is anything that happens a co-incidence any more?
This is how stealth spin works: there was a story about how it will take 13 years to clear migrant backlog couple of weeks back; we wait a few days; Boris Johnson says there should be an amnesty; we wait a few days; an ‘independent’ (ho, ho, ho) Whitehall dept says there must be more migrants to pay for the UK population’s retirement!
There is nothing independent about the Borders agency or the Office for Budget Responsibility. They are stuffed with Common Purposers and allow the government to put at arm’s length the blame argument for what it wants to do.
The same is done with public inquiries, and with think tanks.
The polticians get the argument built up at arm’s length by something they call ‘independent’ and Muggins the voter won’t know what they’re up to.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10185342/Britain-needs-millions-more-immigrants-to-reduce-strain-of-ageing-population.html
The Telegraph already has over 1,000 comments, most of them furious at the spin.
The most depressing one I read on there was a poster from Wales, who, sadly, sums up a lot of opinion in Wales (and Scotland).
It goes like this: mass immigration is an English problem. We’re sick of the English white flight across our borders and of the Third Worlders you keep sending us.
But who passes all these laws?
The British Parliament. And what propped up the most radical government this country has ever seen? The Labour votes from Wales and Scotland.
England was guilty too, but Labour’s die hard heartlands in Soctland and Wales can always be relied on to land in the Commons and help foist more of this on the UK.
The Tories are just as bad, but the bulk of the blame for that must lie with the voters in England, where most of their voters live.
It really is depressing to see the simple principle of divide and rule working wonders over and over again in Wales and Soctland (who have a history of conflict with the English).
The English indigenes will not stop flocking across your borders unless you stop voting LibLabCon.
The Third Worlders too, will keep coming unless you stop voting LibLabCon.
The reason why Scotland and Wales escape the worst at present of it is because immigrants fight tooth and nail to stay in England.
They dislike the cold weather and they want to be part of the commyooooniteeeeee (that word makes me sick to my stomach).
This is an example of one immigrant that wouldn’t shift out of an inner city. I don’t know if they wanted to truck her off to Scotland or Wales, but she’s going nowhere:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2364521/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Meet-BBCs-poster-girl-welfare-cuts.html
I understand the frustrations of the people in Wales and Scotland but voting for the same old manure just means the same old manure turns up on your doostep.
Two whites shot dead for having a ‘Free Zimmerman’ bumper sticker.
http://topconservativenews.com/2013/07/teens-with-free-zimmerman-bumper-sticker-slaughtered-in-jacksonville/
Nothing on the news.
Spot on, Night Nurse.
Malfleur,16 July at 11-38 ;`…what is a hate crime?`:___D.I. Sam Tyler:”I think we need to explore whether this attempted murder was a hate crime.”—-D.C.I. Gene Hunt:”What?As opposed to one of those `I really,really like you`sort of murders?” (Life on Mars:BBC T.V.)
AND: Gene Hunt: “She’s as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.”
On the Zimmerman affair and the Obama’s attempt to incite race war as America’s own divide and rule policy, Michael Savage invokes as the antidote the noble example of Booker T. Washington:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufHC2Sk9X-4
Michael Savage was banned from coming to England for no given reason by the then Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith; but probably to make up a quota with a Jewish American to help balance somewhat all the muslims on the list.
The US and British governments are on a race to the bottom.
AND one for Verity : Sam Tyler: “I think she’s telling the truth.”—–Gene Hunt: “I think she’s as fake as a tranny’s fanny.”
I think the Wall needs a military correspondent to explain to us what British interest would be served by war with Syria which the DT notes in its interview with General Sir David Richards is a possible consequence of the government’s present muddled thinking on the political and military objectives of its Syrian policy.
Just finished watching the whole of the statement and “debate” on the Keogh report. (Bored CH-ers can find it here http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Live.aspx)
Having sat through the posturing and downright lies of the Labour MPs, their inability to debate and the noisy, arrogant attempts to drown our the statement, it struck me that there are surely grounds for a criminal inquiry into the matter, focused solely on the senior Managers, the Minsters and associated politicians.
Quentin Letts does a much better job of commenting than I can
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2366178/While-Conservatives-listened-sorrow-Labour-went-feral.html
And we must surely have reached the stage where anyone who votes Labour in future be subject to a mental assessment and review of their role in society. You surely wouldn’t want these sorts of people involved in the education of your children, for example.
Clear Memories
I notice that in Quentin Letts’ shocking sketch of the proceedings in parliament he describes in part the Labour Whips as “purple in face, pointing like football hooligans and yelling ‘you! you! you!’”.
Some will remember English Defence League leaders being described as football hooligans.
Where is the difference, you may ask?
The difference is that the New Labour Party members of parliament began as public servants and have ended up as political hooligans. The leadership of the EDL were once football hooligans but are now public servants.
The spirit of Booker T. Washington is still active in the USA:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/17/allen-west-slams-eric-holder-and-faux-leaders-tray/
Clear Memories 18th, – 00:28
“their inability to debate and the noisy, arrogant attempts to drown out the statement,”
That’s what they learn from being on the “National Axacutive” of their respective unions.
Malfleur 18th, – 00:18
“I think the Wall needs a military correspondent to explain to us what British interest would be served by war with Syria”
No such interest exists. All we’re seeing is bien pensant hand-wringing (and ah hae ma doots about the ‘bien’!)
“Radford NG”
Re ‘Life on Mars’:
Buggerit! I should’a watched that series.
10 years since Blair and Campbell got away with murder. I hope they don’t think they’re in the clear yet.
David Kelly will never be forgotten nor rest in peace until the war criminal and his lackey are punished.
Clear Memories
July 18th, 2013 – 12:58
They probably are in the clear. Seriously, who is there to try them? The whoel damn establishment is as corrupt as ever.
We need an alternative and parallel system of society that allows us to speak out and which makes it clear that we are oppressed.
“Mustafa Bakari, an Egyptian politician, issued a brutal assessment of U.S. Ambassador to Egypt, Anne Patterson. Bakari stated, “In my opinion, she [Patterson] is a member of the sleeper cells of the Brotherhood, likely recruited by Essam al-Erian or Muhammad al-Baltagi.” ”
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/07/17/U-S-Ambassador-To-Egypt-Member-of-Sleeper-Cells-of-Muslim-Brotherhood
Would someone in the United States please arrest the Obama administration?
In Britain, which has become “ground zero” for Europe’s canine controversies, blind passengers are being ordered off buses or refused taxi rides because Muslim drivers or passengers object to their “unclean” guide dogs.
In Reading, for example, one pensioner, a cancer sufferer, was repeatedly confronted by drivers and asked to get off the bus because of his guide dog. He also faced hostility at a hospital and in a supermarket over the animal.
In Nottingham, a Muslim taxi driver refused to carry a blind man because he was accompanied by his guide dog. The taxi driver was later fined £300 ($470)…..
Read it all at http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2796/muslims-ban-dogs-europe
Clear Memories
July 18th, 2013 – 12:58
It’s Britain’s fault that these horrible things happen. If anything or anyone is unclean, it is certainly not the wonderful guide dogs. It is the stinking, primitive barbarians that have been allowed to over run this country, like rabid jackals. Call me names, condemn me, but I stick by what I wrote earlier. Throw the lousy ragheads over the white cliffs of Dover!
AWK1 18th, – 15:40
“it is certainly not the wonderful guide dogs”
In fact, British dogs are halal…
Ostrich (occasionally)
July 18th, 2013 – 16:17
How dare you insult our British dogs? My dear old terrier is turning in his grave!
I only meant it in the sense that they should be considered ‘clean’ to islam (in my view, and as its practitioners should note if they could be bothered to make the comparison.)
Koreans might have a different viewpoint.
Ostrich (occasionally)
July 18th, 2013 – 17:18
OO you get wicked and wickeder! I didn’t realise you meant them as meat! 🙁
Two men have been arrested in connection with an explosion near a Walsall mosque.
A 25-year-old and a 22-year-old, both of Eastern European origin, were arrested just before 3pm and are being questioned by detectives from the West Midlands Counter Terrorism Unit.
Interesting.
Not members of the EDL then ????
AWK1 18th, – 17:33
“OO you get wicked and wickeder!”
AND I keep forgetting to add a ‘tongue in cheek’ smiley!
Andy Car Park, July 17th, 2013 – 11:39
I apologise for insinuating that you and JJB were in any way connected – but you do have form with various other nom de blogs! Things might be slightly more lively and entertaining if both you and JJB were to stay, and also Fergus Pickering, Telemachus et al were to return.
Since Frank P is no longer here, perhaps I should give you all the heads up on this:
h/t Melanie Phillips (@MelanieLatest)
“Anti ‘Islamophobia’ turns France totalitarian, prosecutes writers, creates blacklists. How long before UK follows?”
France: Slouching Toward Totalitarianism
by Guy Millière
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3851/france-totalitarianism
Dave might be dim, but BoJo? The bloke’s a joke! Surely?
h/t Melanie Phillips
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/17/boris-johnson-israel-clause_n_3608988.html?1374051412
EC
July 18th, 2013 – 18:30
Oh dear, have I missed something. What do you mean Frank P is no longer here? I love the guy, I really do. He is brilliant, and equal to Swift for irony.
The BMA, on the dropping of plans for minimum alcohol pricing, said in shocked disgust that Cameron had been listening to the drinks lobby and not them.
Doesn’t it occur to these puffed up arrogant pillocks that Cameron might – just for once in his life – have listened to the people he’s supposed to listen to – us!
Frank Sutton@July 18th, 2013 – 19:26
Ummm
in 2 minds on this one. One side says we should be allowed to buy what we want at a price that people want to seel it to us.
But seeing the drunks making many town centres no-go areas for decent people on wekend evenings and the expense in policing and A&E makes me think.
And how about families having to cope with an alcoholic? Siurely they would welcome an increase in price? And we have to think of the cost of alcoholics to the NHS and through lost work days.
And those who abuse alcohol over a long period will get diseases, like liver disease, another NHS cost.
Anyway, how many responsible drinkers drink 40p a unit rot gut anyway?
The news seems to be peppered with “severe weather” warnings, on account of the hot weather. Isn’t it supposed to be hot in July, or am I missing something?
Alexsandr – I wasn’t thinking so much of such merits as there may be in the BMA’s case but their assumption that this was a matter of competing lobbyists, with the people a passive third party. Though that assumption, come to think of it, is a fair description of what passes for democratic politics these days.
Alexsandr 18th, – 19:51
“And those who abuse alcohol over a long period will get diseases, like liver disease, another NHS cost.”
Yes, but they, like smokers, might say they’ve paid for their NHS care many times over, through the taxes on said booze and fags.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1, July 18th, 2013 – 19:02
From his last comment on the immigration survey/questionnaire thread it appears that he is taking a leave of absence – indeterminate.
AWK 1.
“Throw the lousy ragheads over the white cliffs of Dover!”
But would that not stain those pristine cliffs?
We must think of another way.
Frank P, PfM, ACP, EC, Ostrich, Verity, Anne & fellow august and esteemed Wallsters too numerous to mention.
Just dropped in to say hello.
I’m on a self imposed ‘retreat’ at the moment. Together with some extensive and overdue writing, I have stockpiled about 50 books on politics, Mo’hammedanism, (that latent but destructive bequest from Iron Age life in the Nejd desert civilisation,) and the other contemporary issues which concern us all, and am in the process of reading them, three or four at a time. I no longer do speed reading, sadly.
I know what my views are, as do you, (almost to ad nauseum I was beginning to feel,) but, in the unaccustomed delight of a Lancastrian sun, I have been taking the opportunity to refresh and inform them, sometimes with the enhancement of a glass of ‘Pierrepoint’s Last Drop’, or similar, sometimes not; with the intention of returning, invigorated, to the Great Debate later in the year.
Add in a current, oh so leisurely, painting break in the Highlands and it would seem that, like the rest of UKIP, the gearstick is in ‘Park.’ Stlll, I’m just cogitatin’, and loin girding prior to a return to the fray when the evenings start to draw in, the Aussies depart sans Ashes, Nigel ‘Good ‘Evans’ finally resigns to return as the only gay in some derelict Welsh coal pit, and like him, we UKIPers can finally firmly sink our dentures and remaining molars into the steadily expanding stolid mass of David Cameron’s liberal chillaxed buttocks…or do I mean bollocks… An unedifying image perhaps, but heartfelt.
You know it’s the right thing to do!
“Woolwich suspect [sic] claims he was targeted by prison officers” Daily Telegraph
No comment on this savage’s claim [sic] allowed following this article in the DT.
West Midlands POLICE search mosque in Wolverhampton for bomb after arresting two men from Eastern Europe (see above John Birch:July 18 at 17-47) in connection with bomb at Walsall Mosque;which also seems connected with bomb in Tipton according to Sky news which refers to `blasts` in the plural.
POLICE say they have arrested two men for Walsall and Tipton bombs.
As Frank’s not here, another essential read from Clare Lopez:
http://lopez.pundicity.com/13547/america-joins-jihad
Horrifying.
Andy Car Park, July 17th, 2013 – 11:39
I apologise for insinuating that you and JJB were in any way connected – but you do have form with various other nom de blogs! Things might be slightly more lively and entertaining if both you and JJB were to stay, and also Fergus Pickering, Telemachus et al were to return.
I sent my good friend telemachus a link to this post. He tells me he will behave and even subscribe by paypal if allowed to post. He wondered whether you might put this to your collected posters.
I will tell him to await your considered reply.
telemachus is a collectivist of Iranian Mullahs,surely.They once hi-jacked a poll conducted by the liberal Prospect magazine to name the worlds leading public intellectuals (meaning the likes of Dawkins and Chomsky).The top ten names that came up were all Mohammedan theologians.
Thank you Lord, but Dmitri the impostor, or even Phil, would have sufficed.
Noa 18th, – 23:55
“oh so leisurely, painting break in the Highlands”
The only paintin’ break I’m getting is the upstairs back window frames!
I’m supposed to be stripping and painting the front door frame. What’s the best way of preparing it? Should I try and remove all the old paint or just sand down the bits that are flaking off?
Radford NG
I think telemachus simply has a different and caring philosophy about life and politics and religion.
For example I suspect he would have a different view on the reprehensible decision of Kevin Rudd the most sexist politician in the civilised world to deport all boat immigrants to Papua New Guinea.
Peter from Maidstone.
I must be getting old; for I missed or somehow did not read until now Frank P’s farewell written on the “Coffee House Poll” page.
Peter this mustn’t happen, this must not be allowed to happen, that he is one of the best who post hear is without a doubt, however that is not my main reason for asking him to come back which is that Frank P who is undoubtedly elderly and might well be infirm has derived great pleasure from his time spent on this blog, nothing should be allowed to stand in the way of his swift return.
You are the only one here who can contact him direct and therefore I ask you in all humility to take whatever steps are necessary to persuade him to return, you must realise that some of your exchanges have been the cause of his departure, please do the kindest thing and make friends with him and so return him to these pages.
David, is the email address you use to post here a real one? If so I’ll drop you a line.
PoM – please don’t let PrickShaw in.
Kevin Rudd is Blair with a funny accent, an arsehole of the primary socialist order and a disgrace as an Australian.
Australia does not deport its slime to PNG – that would be unfair on PNG. Rudd and Gillard have been so soft as to effectively encourage boat-people to risk their lives trying to get here.
(Get a map) Last week, an alien intruder rang a family member in Melbourne claiming their boat was sinking off Indonesia. Eight hours later, it was located by Australian Customs, still afloat. upon appearance of Australian ship, it suddenly capsized. Aussies rescued all but 9 out of 80 or so.
Nothing will stop these parasites and those that prey on them until Australia ignores these floating hulks and leaves them to die. Indonesian Navy ships don’t even leave port, yet they attract no criticism. Indonesian Police turn a blind eye or, as has been proved, take bribes to allow these boats of human misery to set sail.
This will be the main issue in this years elections. As a legal immigrant, I have sweet fuckall sympathy with this flotsam. I come from the UK, I know what is going to happen if they don’t stop this problem now.
Turns out (on the news 5 minutes ago here) Rudd has found a couple of small hairy dangly things between his legs.
Boat people will now be sent to PNG until assessed. If they qualify as true asylum seekers, they’ll be granted asylum in PNG! Where they still eat people.
Another policy that is unlikely to work then. Although, if a few Sri Lankans end up in a stew, that might discourage the others.
Isn’t too hot to be painting door frames etc? Last time I tried, the paint had started to dry out while still being brushed on. (Still, I’m no expert.)
Peter from Maidstone@July 19th, 2013 – 09:56
Bad news.
You need to get all the old paint off with a blow lamp or one of those hot air paint strippers. Keep the heat away from any glass. Rub down with glasspaper.
Then apply a coat of primer, 2 coats of undercoat and a coat of gloss.
Consider paint pads. I find they have a better finish than brushes.
or get a man in!.
Thanks Frank an Alexsandr. I am much less of an expert that you both. Can’t afford a man. I am that man.
On a different subject, have a look at another Russell Taylor’s piece on the bogpaper blog. Superb. Who’s this chap, anyone knows anything about him? You may recall he did a short essay on UKIP, also excellent.
http://bogpaper.com/2013/07/17/russell-taylor-privatise-the-bbc/
Noa
July 18th, 2013 – 23:55
Good to hear from you, friend. These are hard times. Frank P has taken leave of us (I hope just a momentary blip, and the vile Patricia Shaw is polluting this blog with her faecal garbage.
David Ossitt: Yes, we must not pollute the pristine white cliffs of Dover. Perhaps placing them in pilotless planes on a direct route to Pakistan would be the best method. Once they have reached Pakistan, we could also economise on fuel! 🙂
West Midlands POLICE now say two Ukranians have been arrested for mosque bombings.
Baron 14 . 37
Thanks for the link.
A must read and absolutely spot on.
Go on , read it now.
Frank P
As I posted on the Coffee house poll thread.
You have a lot of good to say and I suspect you do not like hearing that from me and mine.
The views of yourself and like minds on the EDL are important and influential and should be trumpeted if we are retain harmony in our increasingly difficult society.
I would welcome you back both here and on Speccie (If your name has been barred they remove the IP address bar after one month and a slight tweak of your name will let you back in)
IRANIAN MULLAHS praise Michael Gove for including history of ISLAM in schools curriculum.For what this may mean:SEE j.mp/122v9XN
OR: would that be http://j.mp/122v9XN
Patriccia Shaw July 19th, 2013 – 10:17
“I think telemachus simply has a different and caring philosophy about life and politics and religion.”
What a load of old codswallop, those of us who posted for years on the other ‘Wall’ are fully aware of the fact that the troll telemachus posted in at least three different variations of that name, each difference being extremely slight a comma here or there.
Nothing simple about this troll he differed by being an obnoxious shit, to make claim that he/she/it had a caring philosophy about life, politics, and religion is but a silly nasty perversion on your part.
To use words that the intelligent and erudite wit Frank P might well have used FFSFO go whence you came, for you are not loved here.
Radford NG@July 19th, 2013 – 17:21
Hmm. Ukraine is mostly christian, but has a muslim minority, esp in the crimea. Wonder what the suspects are.
An excellent essay by Russell Taylor.
Of all the privatisations, only British Airways has worked.
The rest are just a licence to print money and cripple the non-ruling classes.
I’m not against privatisation if there is a genuine case for it, but I think the UK should renationalise almost all that it has sold down the river.
The two things I would most like to see privatised are the BBC and the monarchy.
The public are always reassured that both offer excellent value for money.
But if there’s such an appetite for them, why not see how many would pay willingly?
Night Nurse@July 19th, 2013 – 19:50
What about GPO telephones being privatised as BT
the phone service beofre privatisation was reall rubbish and expensive.
but remember, the real reason for privatisation was to get the borrowing for the investment needed off the PSBR and onto private lending.
now vince hs come out saying HS2 isnt viable.
wheels really falling off this project
Please lets forget it and get the investment where its needed.
sort the welwyn bottleneck
flyover for nottingham lincoln line over the est coast line
flyover between Wolverton and Roade to allow trains on the northbound fast to get to northampton without blocking the southbound fast.
flyover between stockport and Manchester Piccadilly where the airport line joins.
and get the existing pendolinos and IC225 trains up to their design speed of 140mph instead of restricting them to 125mph
There’s a tittle-tattle story that is much more significant than it looks about Michael Heseltine’s office being cleared and then put back.
There was nothing casual about that office, which is why Dave ordered everything be put back in it.
Heseltine is about as big in politics and business as you can get. He is thoroughly shady and moves in circles like Bilderberger Ken Clarke.
Remember they both appeared together on a stage with Tony Blair to argue the case for the euro.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2370354/Lord-Heseltines-office-secretly-cleared-civil-servants-stop-popping-10-months-finishing-growth-report.html
I wonder who he meets in that job. What doors it must open for him.
By the way Heseltine’s son denies dad’s business had to be remortgaged after the crash.
Heseltine Jnr says RBS never asked his dad to stand down on condition of remortgaing the business.
Fair enough. It’s not as if it would be easy for the bank to control the son, whose qualification for running the place was a failed career as a photographer.
Who would be easier for the bank to control?
A failed photographer, or someone so big-headed and gobby they got nicknamed Tarzan?
Michael Hesletine.
+
State owned bank that was calling in plenty of other business loans.
+
‘One of the most indebted media companies in Britain.’ Loan not called in. Allowed to remortgage.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/24/rupert-heseltine-haymarket-media-group
It’s a wonder half the country doesn’t have a desk in Whitehall with nothing to do.
After all, it’s so run of the mill.
I correct myself.
What ‘job’?
Not that I don’t think he gets uo to things.
Oh no.
Alexsandr
July 19th, 2013 – 19:53
I cannot understand why water isn’t nationalised. Water after all belongs to the nation. Gas too should not be in private hands, nor electric. Here in the UK privatisation means a few grabbers get rich and make obscene profits, but when things are tough, the public has to pay increasingly high charges for using their vital services and as with the banks, actually bail them out.
Patriccia Shaw
July 19th, 2013 – 18:13
I am glad to see that you have come around to supporting Israel.
I don’t want to pour boiling oil on turbulent waters, so will tread lightly. This anger between PoM and Frank P truly is hurtful. Words have been spoken (written) by both in anger, and I am sure that now both men are regretful. Apart from missing Frank and understanding how painful it was for PoM when in a moment of cynical irony Frank made a comment not worthy of him, there are serious ramifications in this breach. The departure of Frank has opened the doors to all the trash and drivel which ruined the “Speccie” and other blogs. We have even a patronising message from one of the head trolls Ayatollah Shaw that “I would welcome you back both here and on Speccie”
Who the hell does she (it) think she is? David Ossitt writes wisely at 19:22 that “To use words that the intelligent and erudite wit Frank P might well have used FFSFO go whence you came, for you are not loved here”.
Indeed, Anne Wotana Kaye 1.
The internet is for opposition, none more so than when it is not controlled by corporations or the government.
I do not agree with everyone here (and I’m very sure people disagree with me here and elsewhere!), but places like this are part of a loose, thinking rabble that I have no doubt gets up the noses of all the right people.
I understand this blog was banned by The Spectator in its original form, which is testament that those who are established here are doing something very right – you are annoying the right people.
Whipping the mask off and giving your tormentors in authority a bloody good hiding.
If my words can do so much as make them pinch their faces in anger at we the people, I’ll be happy.
As Melanie Phillips is sloganing it on her website: you’re all saying the unsayable, thinking the unthinkable.
Amen to that.
Come to think of it, wasn’t Melanie Phillips chucked off The Spectator too!
You’re all in excellent company!
Whoops! Looks like I stirred the pot a bit with my comment to Andy Car Park last night. If nothing else, it proves that the eyes of the OQS, SW1H mob are always paying very close attention to the CHW!
I was doing some browsing and came across Rehman Chishti, the MP of one of my neighbouring consituencies. He was born in Pakistan, served as an advisor to Benazir Bhutto. He became a Labour councillor then tried to become a Labour MP and when this was not successful switched to the Conservatives and became a Conservative MP.
How does that happen? Why is it that so many Conservative MPs were recently members of the Labour Party? My own MP, Helen Grant, was also a member of the Labour Party but switched to the Conservatives and was offered a safe seat.
How does that happen? What is going on?
Here’s a quote from Pakistan…
“President Zardari said one million strong Pakistani community in the United Kingdom with seven in the House of Common and four in the House of Lords served as a strong bridge between the two countries and could play an invaluable role in not only promoting and further strengthening the existing equation but also help removing misperceptions between the communities that arise due to some unfortunate incidents.”
How many British people are MPs or the equivalents of Lords in the Pakistani Government?
Back from the pub, catching up with last night’s This Week, Alan Johnson (who I have always thought an OK bloke, unlike most of his colleagues), expressing incredulity at the jury’s verdict (the only people who have actually heard the evidence) in the Trayvon Martin-Zimmerman case.
No argument from Portillo or Andrew Neil.
Do none of these people follow anything other than the MSM commentary?
Anne Wotana Kaye 1
To the contrary I would suggest P of M is the aggrieved party. The insulting nature of some of Frank P’s posts- particularly one of which took the biscuit – would have brooked violence in the far north-west. As it was Peter of Maidstone was calmness personified. There were posts by FP when I seriously wondered if he had been drinking. Good riddance.
The fact he spit the dummy out says it all. XXXXpot
The MSM have an agenda similar to that of the Obama regime. The latter is inciting racial divisions in the United States in order to divert attention from the Fast and Furious scandal,Benghazi scandal, the IRS scandal, the NSA scandal, the DOJ scandal, the Obamacare scandal and the Immigrant Bill scandal. The British MSM, possibly as part of an understanding with the regime and its supporters in America, also support the Neathergate amd Islamicist divide and rule strategy of the three party Coalition of ConLibLab on the United Kingdom.
The pernicious actions of these people are destroying Anglosphere civilization, provoking civil war and, by extension through grossly incompetent and irresponsible economic policies, spreading and encouraging the rottenness through Europe.
We are going gently into a very, very dark night.
aster foster
July 19th, 2013 – 23:19
Tut! Tut! Drinking! Surely the advice this hot weather is to drink a lot.
I am not an aggrieved party at all and wish Frank well and hope he will post here again soon.
Rehman Chishti and Helen Grant can switch with ease because they are all the same: LibLabCon.
They have learned over many years how to prop each other up?
Labour: We want mass immigration.
Tory: Well, if we can have cheap labour, deal.
Peter Hitchens wrote recently about how Thatcher threatened to pass laws stopping trade union influence in Labour and then stopped when Labour said they would ban business donations to Labour.
That’s the sort of grubby quid pro repartee they have.
Main object: don’t let anyone else get a look-in.
How Margaret Thatcher Saved The Labour Party:
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/07/a-good-week-for-hypocrisy-and-humbug-plus-how-margaret-thatcher-saved-the-labour-party.html
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/07/how-margaret-thatcher-saved-the-labour-party-part-two-.html
faster foster
July 19th, 2013 – 23:19
I have to agree that the attack on Peter’s initiative,to hold a Poll which initiative is open to anyone on this Wall, was snide and uncalled for and Peter’s response was measured and rational.
I also notice that as he flounced out through the back door,Frank P commented that “btw, I have very good reasons not to support [the EDL]”. Unfortunately, it seems that we shall never know what those good reasons are, although it looks as though Patriccia Shaw might be ready to provide them.
I am sure though that we all recognize that Frank, like all of us sooner or later, faces hardships and the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to and we wish him well in the battle that all of us fight and lose.
Rehman Chishti and Helen Grant also know that there are easy pickings for them: the quota seats.
If you want to climb the greasy pole, go for a quota seat.
If you fail, you could even do a Warsi (you might need some puff pieces from Peter Obore to get you there, but you will get there).
It’s interesting how ex-Tory MP Louise Mensch who was supposed to have lost all interest in politics to settle in America has been writing columns for British newspapers.
What happened to her interest America?
She knew her husband lived in America, so why go into Parliament anyway?
From what I hear, she never lost interest in British politics at all, hence the newspaper columns.
Instead, she had a relationship with David Cameron that was more than Platonic.
And so it was that the exit from Parliament was, indeed, to spend more time with her husband.
A propos of my comment at 23:27, I just came across this:
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/07/why-is-obama-trying-to-start-a-race-war/
To my surprise, the Web Editor of that excellent magazine, Standpoint, continues to make a silly-billy of himself, and possibly of the magazine’s editor:
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/07/repugnant-and-dangerous/#more-29700
Alexsandr – 19:53 ‘privatisation to get borrowing off the PSBR’
Before privatisation we had a multitude of organisations that looked like independent companies yet never needed to worry about making a profit, which meant that the customer was secondary to the work forces’ needs and whims.
This meant that managers had no incentive to manage, the workers had no incentive to work, everything was done because that was how it was always done, so changing markets were not acknowledged. I knew a former British Leyland engineer, who was so disgusted that he changed jobs and commuted to Germany, said that when management were told that their engines leaked after 2.5 years while their competitors had no problems for many more years, the response was that there was no problem as the guarantee was for two years. No wonder BL went under.
It was the same indifference at British Steel, British Coal; it was just appalling all’round. The Post Office Telephones were just as bad, trying to get a phone installed.
The overall situation was like having a young, but useless, entrepreneur with a rich and very forgiving parents, with the parents being the taxpayer!
It was too much politics and not enough science, engineering, technical knowledge, business experience and common sense: a lot like today in the NHS.
Malfleur 23:41 – What an elegant, gracious post!
Night Nurse
Louise is one of the Sisterhood and entitled to make a crust. She could never supplant the delightful Samantha.
Malfleur
I will wax lyrical on the effects of EDL and also UAF and indeed all other similar crackpots on my return from sabbatical.
Louise is a hot chick; but she betrayed her constituents.
You don’t have to wax anything. Start and end with the facts. The Chatham House report is a good place to begin to look for them, which Frank P refused to read notwithstanding that it is critical of the EDL. That is probably why you agree with him on this and want to “trumpet” to “retain harmony”.
Michael Roberts, July 19th, 2013 – 23:00
I think Alan Johnson (agree, not a fool) knows perfectly well that the MSM distorted the facts in this case. Like, for instance, that fact that Zimmerman was not told to stay in his car.
Trayvon Martin was black, therefore proper scrutiny of his role in this must be suspended.
Move along now. Nothing to see here.
Malfleur, I read that email exchange in horror.
It is the fear all Brits have of being branded ‘extremist’ or un-PC.
Compare and contrast with this story about Maajid Nawaz – who has spent time in prison – but who has been picked by the Lib Dems to be a parliamentary candidate.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2370985/Maajid-Nawaz-Convicted-Islamist-Maajid-Nawaz-stand-Liberal-Democrat-candidate-marginal-north-London-seat.html
If you are white and even if you so much as say something non-PC in Britain your career can be over in a flash.
Your career and everything else.
But if you’re a Muslim?
Why, you can wipe the slate clean any time you want to.
Come up to the top table of the elite.
That this vile man Maajid Nawaz is given as much air time as he is by BBC, Channel 4 and all the other usual suspects is bad enough.
He now wants a chunky taxpayer-funded salary and the ability to draft and make the laws of this land.
RE: Trayvon Martin.
I think Zimmerman should have been acquitted, but worryingly, I think that had he been Anglo-Saxon white he would have been convicted.
‘Star’ witness Rachel Jeantel was but the tip of the iceberg with her shambolic performance.
In the past two elections, people with Hispanic backgrounds (Zimmerman is part Hispanic) were used as part of the Democrats’ voting narrative: you’re immigrant, you must be Democrat.
But for the mainstream media, Zimmerman was now cast as the worst thing he could be: white.
It’s white on black, folks.
It’s racism.
They want to get as much mileage out of that narrative as possible.
They wanted it before the trial and they sure as hell want it after the trial.
Obama is an empty fraud and what manna from heaven it is for America’s gliberals to be able to detract from his entire shambles with a race case.
‘We thought we’d emptied the white on black political petrol tank, but we just filled up again with a white/black case. Just make sure our MSM buddies go nice and quiet on Zimmerman’s Hispanic background.’
With strategy like that – who needs real policies?
What Verity said at 01:20
Malfleur 19th, – 23:27
“The MSM have an agenda similar to that of the Obama regime.”
I’m not convinced that they have a coherent agenda, nor that they have ever heard of the law of unintended consequences.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1@July 19th, 2013 – 20:58
I hear what you say but you have to look at the eye watering amounts of money invested in gas, water and railways to see why they were privatised.
However, in the railways case I feel they have overspent by a massive degree. Network rail’s costs are out of control.
Obama’s outgoing narrative is the Trayvon Martin case.
That will be replayed contantly over the next three years.
It’s interview time, it’s chronicle time.
America is on its knees, so just fill up the air time and column inches with puff and chatter pieces about how Trayvon Martin shows how little has changed and ‘how much more needs to be done’.
Obama has been banging on about it this very week.
What can any black man achieve when there’s still ‘racism’ like that.
That’s the message for the next three years as the MSM gets ready to canonise St Barack.
Another day in Madhouse UK as the Woolwich suspect loses some teeth and prison officers are suspended:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2370988/Five-prison-officers-suspended-Lee-Rigby-murder-suspect-Michael-Adebolajo-loses-teeth-melee-Belmarsh-high-security-wing.html
One of the Stephen Lawrence convicts was so badly beaten up on remand awaiting trial in the same jail he had to have a hearing aid in court.
Prison service didn’t care much about that.
This is how it works.
The elites protect and cosset themselves from all this. They go behind electric gates in unaffordable Waitrose towns and watch the little folk on the tube, working in the prison, walking along the street deal with all this and if there is so much as a murmur or a peep about what is happening to the common folk, WHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The media, the law, the HR departments and so on will crush them till they don’t know what hit them.
This is their attitude: ‘Islam is a religion of peace, but if you don’t mind, we’ll all have armed guards at parliament and so on.
‘You? Ordinary Joe and Josephine?
‘You go live in that filth.
‘If you get blown up, don’t worry, our media puppets will be standing over your grave afterwards saying Islam is a religion of peace, so don’t think you’ll get justice that way.
‘And if you stay alive? Don’t you ever, ever question Islam – or us – or we’ll make your life not worth living through social ostracism.
‘Got that?’
Lynton Crosby has form for destroying upstart political parties.
He destroyed Australia’s version of UKIP a few years ago when working for John Howard (this is a must read on Tory spin):
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/07/sigmund-freud-propaganda-smoking-death-health-and-the-nhs.html
Think about that when you see stories about Nigel Farage ‘going missing’, in other words the MSM denies him the oxygen of publicity.
Think about that when you read opinion polls about UKIP in ‘meltdown’.
I finally saw the breakdown of the poll that the Telegraph used as the basis for umpteen articles this week about UKIP’s poor poll ratings.
Half the respondents were non-committal.
So the figures for Tories and Labour of high 20s or low 30s come from 50% of those polled, not 100%.
Alexsandr
July 20th, 2013 – 10:17
Agree to a point. But in the end, the whole establishment is rotten to the core and Mr or Mrs Taxpayer bear the costs.
One of the things that irks me about the UK is the way the word ‘spin’ and ‘spin doctor’ have stopped being used by the media.
Look at the antecedents of a word like ‘racist’.
It used to be ‘racialist’, but that couldn’t be spat out in one syllable to show the person’s contempt for the person being described as quick as possible.
There has always been spin, of course. But when did propaganda become spin?
And when did spin make an exit?
I trace widespread use if the word ‘spin’ in the UK to the 90s.
For years, Bernard Ingham, Margaret Thatcher’s spin doctor had hidden in the shadows – and caused huge damage to opponents.
It was always the Labour dream to have someone as effective as that.
And in Alistair Campbell they duly got it.
Unable to land punches on Blair, the fury of papers like the Mail and the Telegraph was instead turned on to the propaganda architects who were now so ably beating them at their own game: Campbell and Peter Mandelson.
The code of silence about back-room media relations with No 10 was put into the spotlight.
They could rarely land punches on Blair, but boy did they get Mandelson (sacked very ealry in the Blair era – Hinduja passport affair) and later Campbell.
And then with the arrival of Brown (close to Paul Dacre) we were told spin would be over. Cameron said the same too, no more spin. And Peter Obore wrote drivel to support him.
Obore never stops writing rubbish about how moral the coalition is.
Ha, ha, ha.
Spin has never gone away. For anyone.
But now that Teflon Tony is long gone it suits Fleet Street’s lackeys to lose their tongues about spin.
Where has the bloody word gone?
Because Dave is a spin doctor. His whole career has been spun.
Honourable mention should go to Peter Hitchens who ripped apart Theresa May’s spin and her spin doctor the other weekend, but the word has gone out of use massivley elsewhere in MSM land.
How odd when the MSM all used to love using it.
They loved its monosyllablic punchiness. Out with the BS and then: ‘Spin.’
How odd the MSM’s interest in Alistair Campbell, and how slow they have been to look at Lynton Crosby, only now in the spotlight because Ed Mili asked some questions at PMQs abouth him.
Some of the front pages recently look as if they might even have been dictated by Crosby.
If the Bilderbergers are those who would bend over and politically rape the ordinary man and woman, Lynton Crosby is the hired globalist muscle who pins them down on the other side to make sure they can’t escape and screaming that they really enjoy it:
Lynton Crosby at the NAZ Legacy Foundation.
http://www.crosbytextor.com/news/lynton-crosby-ao-at-the-naz-legacy-foundation-annual-reception/
Naz Bokhari, first Muslim headteacher in Britain – all about the NAZ Foundation and its aims to further Positive Integration and Excellence in Education (of Muslims in Britain).
http://www.nazlegacy.org/
The British public are being spun, stitched up like kippers if they think David Cameron and Lynton Crosby are leading them to an end to all this.
Night Nurse, good post. I’d like to see a breakdown of where people, by various categories, get their news and opinion from. I wonder what proportion of the population don’t read or watch the news. How much of the subversion of morality for instance is dependent on the propaganda in the soaps rather than on comment in the papers? There is not a soap that does not propagandise for homosexuality, adultery, casual sex and transgenderism; and does not deliberately and intentionally present married, heterosexual people as being themselves unusual and abnormal. The same popular presentation of immigration etc etc. I wonder if many learn their values from Eastenders rather than the Daily Telegraph?
Night Nurse
July 20th, 2013 – 10:36
Another day in Madhouse UK as the Woolwich suspect loses some teeth and prison officers are suspended:
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What a shame that the barbarian only lost some teeth. I can think of other appendages which should have been lost!
Anne Wotana Kaye 1, July 20th, 2013 – 12:23
A difficult one, that. In prison they have to improvise. A common form of attack is to clobber the victim in the face with sock full of snooker balls. That probably accounted for the guy’s teeth. The swift removal of the meat and two veg would require some smuggled piano wire rather than a small improvised shiv, which is normally the only pointy sharp thing available.
EC, just to note, it was the Prison Wardens who have been accused of violence against the Muslim killer of Lee Rigby. Five of them have been suspended. But it would seem he often required a team of people to manage him just to get him to obey basic instructions.
EC
July 20th, 2013 – 14:25
So garrot the bastards. Bring on the piano wire!
That suspect and the other one will be strutting about the place like they own the joint.
They – and those like them – know how to play that game.
If anything happens to them inside there will be a XXXXstorm outside.
That is exactly what has happened.
That is why Muslim prisoners get treated with kid gloves.
There is always the risk of any flashpoint unleashing a XXXXstorm in the media.
There was no XXXXstorm when it was the Lawrence suspect – or any other white inmate.
Oh no.
Prisons are full of violence – not usually involving prison officers (they just turn a blind eye) – but they are full of fights.
Unless there is a fatality or an exceptionally high level of harm, it never reaches the media.
Teeth knocked out is par for the course in prison.
If you want to get an idea of how filthy, stinking, degraded and violent UK prisons are just read a few chapters of Jonathan Aitken or Jeffrey Archer’s prison diaries.
It is rare for anyone to go into prison with their intellect and their previous cossetedness.
What they saw really woke them up to the real world.
It makes for very grim reading.
Tellingly, the Lawrence case suspect was assaulted by Muslim prisoners – you can guess there was no punishment for them.
Does anyone know what’s happening (or not happening) at The Commentator? It’s been silent for almost a week.
Night Nurse: ‘Obama is an empty fraud and what manna from heaven it is for America’s gliberals to be able to detract from his entire shambles with a race case.’
Obama is a dangerous liberal. He is costing us thousands paying for healthcare for those too lazy to pay their premiums. But he is not a racist.
I have an original and unconventional solution to stop finding Britain responsible for decades of not only foreign criminals, but also their families. Just think of the hook-handed islamic cleric, the other islamic cleric Abu Quatar who has just gone to Jordan, and a whole host of usually islamic shite. Their multiple bitches, plus offspring are all supported in high style by the British taxpayer. They live in large mansion style homes, and their usually criminal offspring are protected by British law. After the few deportations which have taken place, the families are still entrenched on British soil. Instead of concerning ourselves as presenting a ‘fair’ nation, locking up our own patriots and suspending hard working prison guards, we should be known as a cruel country, and not the soft-touch for which we are famous. If we diligently set about creating this reputation, the number of criminals seeking sanctuary here will drop off sharply. Once we have a name for dealing promptly and without mercy, there will be a huge reduction in bearded moslems and other criminals.
@18:18
HA!
“If Zimmerman wanted Obama to leave him alone, he should have just killed a US ambassador.”
David Burge (@iowahawkblog)
Bill Whittle – July 19th
“Bill Whittle examines the death of Trayvon Martin and trial of George Zimmerman. Is the acquittal of Zimmerman one of the great civil rights injustices of our time? Find out.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls
WEST MIDLANDS POLICE report the two arrested Ukrainians are engineering students here on a summer work experience scheme. One of them has now been arrested for the MURDER of 79 year old Mohammed Saleem in Small Heath on 29 April.
Anne 18.34.
That is exactly the problem Norway Sweden and holland have, it’s the being nice and generous to the undeserving ( and unwanted by their own population ) that have got them into the mess their in.
I totally agree .
It’s time for a new attitude towards all these problems, and I think the situation in Detroit underlines this.
Immigration, Islam,welfare as a lifestyle choice, mad ideas on debt. All this has to be confronted sooner or later but who has the balls.
“[US] Navy chief on surge capability: ‘We’re not where we need to be’”
Whoops!
The US also seems to have the problem of a chief of naval operations, Admiral Jonathan Greenert, who cannot speak very good English – may be he is concentrating on his Spanish these days:
“A year ago I would tell you we had three [aircraft] carrier strike groups and three amphibious ready groups ready to surge. And if there were a contingency, that we had to take on a large operation, the surge force would be a concern. The result for presence and for both 2014 and 2015, to kind of summarize — one carrier strike group, one amphibious ready group each in each theater, western Pacific and the Arabian Gulf. Our surge will be limited, really, to those that are next to deploy. But the rest of the fleet, regrettably, won’t have the capabilities that we would notionally have and that we like to have in plans to support.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/19/navy-chief-surge-capability-were-not-where-we-need/
Is this semi-coherent babble something new in the US Navy? It doesn’t seem to be in the former terse mode of “Damn the torpedoes! Full-speed ahead!”. The result of too many computer games?
The Royal Navy, if asked, would simply say: “Not enough ships, old boy. Sorry, can’t do it”.
JJB
Are you really saying those who lost their jobs in the recession should lose their health entitlement?
Wow! Give this lady a cigar!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VQjZHFnmADQ
(New English Review, Oxford Union)
Michael Roberts (10:51)
Only if she promises to do a Monica with it – she’s a member of the Labour Party!0
Calls from British ‘experts’ that Cameron should topple Assad of Syria are impudent and insane. I have no love for the Syrians, for many years they have been a crouching beast in the Middle East, and I no more favour the rebels than I do the retarded eye doctor who claims to rule the country. But for Britain to topple any other country’s leader is an arrogant suggestion. How would those who suggest it feel if some other country, say Germany or France, decided to topple Cameron? Maybe not such a bad idea!
Hillbilliary:
Heh, heh. Well, maybe there’s hope yet. Perhaps she should have a word with some of her party colleagues. Maybe starting with Vaz. Then the homosexualists. Then the wimmin. The professed Christians, Jews, Atheists. They’re all on the list (of Useful Idiots) – not that the other parties are any better.
The girl is of course right, and there are millions of perfectly peaceable Muslims – uh, oh, – I feel a rant coming on, the arguments are well rehearsed, shut up Michael.
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Huktra
If we let the government run our lives we lose our drive.
Having doubt’s about UKIP?
“The problem is not only that UKIP isn’t establishing itself ‘go to’ organisation for Eurosceptic commentary in the mainstream media, it is that UKIP isn’t even talking about this issue on its own website. How can potential supporters take UKIP seriously when it is voluntarily absents itself from engaging on core issues concerning the negative aspects of EU membership, just as the subject gets serious media profile?”
http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2013/07/21/media-bias-and-ukips-failure-highlighted-yet-again/
WHAT A GAY DAY! Clare Balding has been made Hon. Doctor of Arts at De Montfort University. Mind you that’s marginally better then Leicester Cathedral spending £ONE MILLION on a tomb and celebrations for the re-burial of the despised regicide Richard of Gloucester.
RUSSIA commemorates 400th. Anniversary of the rise of the ROMANOV’S. Tsar Mikail was crowned at the Cathedral of the Assumption in the Kremlin by Patriarch Philaret (his father,and nephew-in-law of Ivan the Terrible and hence cousin of Tsar Fyodor) on 21st July 1613 : after eight years of disorder following the death of Tsar Boris Godunov.
ici at 22-02 : all part of the dirty tricks that have started already to win Cameron a faux eu-referendum.The F.O. have asked the people it represents (ie foreigners) their opinion of UK withdrawal.Japan has replied that it would be a bad thing.SEE http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23393856
Farage references : http://fb.me /1Bq9dBRp1
Above ref. not work.
Balding? de Montfort university?
Where’s Frank’s naughty niece, when you really need her?
JJB 21st, – 21:28
“If we let the government run our lives we lose our drive.”
Can’t argue with any of that…that’s why I found it such a pleasure to work for a Connecticut & Texas based company.
Michael Roberts 10:51 and Hillbilliary 16:12
In Daniel Johnson’s passionately delivered speech at the same debate at the Oxford Union, he stumbled only once when he interjected that Standpoint was “a not very right-wing magazine”. This seems to indicate that the subsequent letter to Gates of Vienna from Standpoint’s Web Editor to Baron Bodissey complaining that Gates of Vienna had posted Daniel Johnson’s videoed speech and associated information was indeed sent “on behalf” of Mr. Johnson.
Today’s Gates of Vienna carries a final comment after a further email from the Web Editor had been received which Baron Bodissey writes “exceeded the bounds of what I consider tolerable discourse”.
It seems that the left, in the person on the occasion of the debate of the lady in the George Sand outfit, who spoke reasonably well for someone of her generation apart from the “Erm…” which introduced and punctuated her speech (for Fraser Nelson, at Spectator dinners and other clan gatherings of the public school left, this is varied as “Airm”), is now cautiously allowing its fringe elements to make quite vigorous attacks on islam, so long as, either by costume, affiliation, declaration or subsequent protest, it does not allow itself to be associated in anyone’s mind with the “very right wing”, let alone the “far right wing”. This is of course a difficult balancing act and in its correspondence with Gates of Vienna we are seeing the editor of Standpoint, with his Web Editor on his shoulder with a wildly disequibrilated pole, falling off.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/07/fear-and-loathing-in-the-city-of-westminster/
I look forward to hearing Tommy Robinson at the Union in November on behalf of the not-very-right-wing English Defence League.and I am already wondering who will accept to speak against him.
Airm?
Malfleur:
Very perceptive. And I thought that G of V stuff seemed a bit odd. Thanks for the TR tip, I’ll mark the calendar.
You Limeys got it good
You are about to spaun a new head of state for 2050
We will be stuck with grandson of Obama
Or worse granddaughter of Clinton
Frank has commented on Rod Liddle’s latest blog, a good point, too, using the Whittle’s video clip.
John Jefferson Burns@July 22nd, 2013 – 08:27
you vorget ze briticsh royal family is Jerman
🙂
From the DT:
“What will the royal baby nursery look like?
When will we see the royal baby?”
and others in the same vein.
WTF! This the the heir to the heir to the heir to the throne we’re talking about.
Can none of these self-important press w*nkers get it through their thick skulls that, apart from its sex, and the fact that it’s a healthy baby, none of this is any of their (or our) bl**dy business?
And listening to that great queen this morning on “Today” fibrillating with excitement must put paid to any hope of him ever again being taken as a serious journalist!