The Coffee House Wall – 11th/17th May

Posted on May 11, 2015

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240 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 11th/17th May”

  2. No job for Boris? At least Deciduous Dave is showing some common sense despite his propensity to shed his promises with the same regularity as does a tree it’s leaves in autumn. Boris is nothing more than a self obsessed cock happy buffoon, i.e. the right’s answer to Russell Brand. All either of them merit is the injunction to go forth and multiply.

  5. The whole MSM is a protracted Labour Party political broadcast, attempting to make a rout a marvelous victory for the ‘real labour party’; FMOBB!

    Just one ray of light among the human bagpipes streaming down from the heelands, triumphalising – which like the real thing will soon start to grate on the nerves of even the sensible Scottish in England; more than in Scotland, I guess, cue Dr. Johnson – Nigel Farage, interrupting his self-imposed sabbatical to point out the startling home truth that will be CMD’s first cold shower of reality: that the EU intend to issue all the human detritus flowing up into the Med. with EU passports, thus ensuring that there’s not a damn thing Dave can do about it – it’s going to end up with a new wave of inimical invasion, accompanied by hearts, flowers and violins conveniently supplied by the MSM.

    Lock up your daughters!

  6. Someone posted at Trolltopia….

    The strutting and preening is irrelevant. All that politicians are required to do is organise the defence of the nation and promote the well being of the indigenous peoples by allowing them to exercise as much of their own liberty as is consistent with the commonweal. Anything else is not politics but the abuse of power for personal gain, and the use of power for totalitarian ends.

    Do we agree?

  8. My computer system went kaput at this interesting time.Still struggling with it…..Good news is Ed Balls went kaput….What we don’t need is Cameron making a knee-jerk surrender to the SNP…..What we need is to be preparing for a Free Britain referendum…Meantime;auf wiedersehen & Goodnight Vienna.

  10. Dellers on uppers (and I don’t mean that he’s suddenly skinners lint :-):

    ttp://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/11/cheer-up-everyone-camerons-victory-means-our-side-won/p

  13. These massed illegal immigrants some of whom are feeding the fishes in the Mediterranean Sea, might well be deterred if each and every one of those who are rescued were immediately returned to their departure point.

    Also if rumours were circulated telling of boats being deliberately sunk with the loss of all on aboard.

    Something has to be done, if Italy is intending to issue all of them with an EU passport then the whole of sub-Saharan Africa could end up in Dover.

  14. The Librarian May 11th, 2015 – 15:35

    His final Disc-World novel (Terry Pratchett) is due out in time for Christmas this year.

  15. I’m sure that Rifleman 1853 won’t mind me posting his reply to James Delingpole, it’s a cracker:

    Sorry to praise you with faint damn, James, but I’d say it was more a case of a good day for UKIP overall, but still a bad day for Britain.
    I’m disappointed that UKIP didn’t win a few more seats, and gutted that Nigel lost; not to be able to see him firing broadsides across the House at PM’s Question Time is a personal tragedy.

    But quadrupling UKIP’s votes since 2010, despite the co-ordinated witch hunt conducted by ALL the other parties, and the lion’s share of the meeja – God rot their souls! – is one hell of a result, and bodes very well for the future.

    BUT – we still have that lying toerag Cameron pushing the same bullsh:t, that he’s going to “renegotiate the terms of our membership” – which he can’t unless all the other member states AND the EU Politburo agrees – and “offer us an In/Out referendum on EU membership in 2017 – which, even if it does happen will be so bent as to make a dog’s hind leg look like a snooker cue, and which – in any case – he will treat as no more than advisory, unless we vote to stay in.

    As if all that wasn’t enough, he is still committed to closing down functional, reliable, dependable and efficient power stations, and forcing even more people into fuel poverty to pay for even MORE bloody useless windmills – and doubtless Sam ‘Miss Whiplash’ Cameron will see to it that he does – regardless of the fact that rising fuel costs have already forced many big employers to transfer their production facilities abroad.

    Yet you say we don’t need to worry about “the collapse of the economy”?
    And how is that sort of an economy supposed to even pay the interest on our soaring national debt, James – even at current rates of interest, let alone if they start rising? To put it in perspective; it took Labour 13 years to double our national debt; Cameron and Osborne doubled it again in a measly five years!

    Did I mention that Hug-a-Husky is also determined to carry on playing Santa Claus to every crackpot dictatorship and banana republic with our taxes, in the name of foreign aid? Consider it mentioned. Yet he is also flatly refusing to maintain even the skeleton armed forces that we are left with – or should I call them our disarmed forces? But no sign that he has got the message that the PBI can no longer act as the world’s copper, that we have to borrow aircraft from other countries to patrol our own seas, and that our Navy would be hard pressed to escort a single convoy past half a dozen enemy submarines.

    And as for escaping “Insane Nanny State regulation and intervention” . . .
    “The EU could force Britain to take tens of thousands of new refugees pulled from the Mediterranean under plans being drawn up by commission president Jean-Claude Juncker. The EU Commission is proposing a system whereby EU member states share responsibility for “mass influxes” of refugees during times of “emergency” – with the commission defining what constitutes an emergency.”

    Well, perish the thought that they might encourage member states to harbour the illusion that their governments still retained any semblance of sovereignty.
    “Britain will likely be forced to take a larger share than many other nations due to its wealth, population size and employment rate.”

    So the EU considers that we have too much wealth, not enough population, and too little unemployment? Well, they have ways of dealing with that . . .
    “Cameron may struggle to win an opt-out for Britain as he has no way of vetoing the proposal and the strong support of other major EU nations makes a blocking minority all but impossible.”

    Struggle? No, he’ll just bluster, and talk tough, and finally creep back to England with his tail between his legs – as usual – and the bloody EU will crap on us again. As usual.
    http://www.breitbart.com/londo…

    So you’ll have to pardon me if I’m not quite in the mood for ordering a case of Dom Perignon Rose (1996) and swinging from the chandeliers.

  16. Mine at 16:22

    If the rumours happened to be true it would be even more effective.

  18. Nigel cannot rest until the referendum comes and triumphs.
    UKIP as an agent for change is stronger with the force of his personality and his charm which transcends politics.
    Good on the UKIP executive on changing his mind.

  19. Frank P – 16:50

    Nigel persuaded to stay on by a unanimous plea from UKIP members
    … meanwhile Ed sits waiting for the phone to ring, whilst in NYC brother David sticks the boot in 🙂

    ROFLMAO!

  22. Nicola Sturgeon the one with the little piggy eyes and the Muppet hairdo, is ranting on about how she will ‘Rule’ at Westminster.

    Someone should tell this uppity Scott that she has 56 MP’s that is 8.61% of the total whilst Cameron has 331 this is 12 more than the combined total of all the rest of the MP’s.

    On tonight’s news some of her 56 descended on Westminster today telling any that would listen of just what they will do to Cameron.

    Retards the lot of them.

  23. David Ossitt – 19:24

    “Retards the lot of them.”

    Och aye the noo-oo-oo, and their average IQ – still under 60 – was boosted no end this recently elected, born yesterday know nothing, enfant terrible!

    http://www.snp.org/people/mhairi-black

    Says much about the electorate of Paisley & Renfrewshire South!

  24. A tweet from Sayeeda Warsi seen on Guido:

    Congrats to the newly elected #Conservative MPs. This new less pale and less male group is the future! Real progress

    Racist traitrous bitch.

  25. Another tweet, this time from Mrs Michael Gove:

    By bye nigel, you racist old homophobic git!
    10:35 AM – 8 May 2015

    And the Vine with its poisonous shoots giveth forth a vile smell

  26. Tories will fight EU plan to send more Mediterranean migrants to Britain
    BRITAIN will fight European Union plans to accept tens of thousands more refugees from North Africa.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/576533/Tories-EU-Mediterranean-migrants

    Fighting this is pathetic. Just say No!

    If Italy issue EU passports to all-comers, then this makes EU passports not worth the plastic they are printed on.

    German politicians need to come to their senses and set the people frei. What with this, Greece, the immigrants at Calais, the Euro in general, those bl**dy windmills everywhere and general Brussels corruption, it is beyond a joke.

  27. The BBC are in lefty love fest overdrive this evening. Labour, Labour everywhere and not a drop of sense.

  28. Cameron lacks the balls to hole the BBC below the waterline; unless they silence agitprop, nothing will ever change. Their complacency and arrogant sense of entitlement is palpable and the worst scandal in the history of Britain, bar one: the queer infiltration of MI5/6/8. The great game is by no means over.

  30. Reports are coming in that the globalists are preparing to let jihadists, packaged as ISIS and which have been allowed to fly in and out of the country without let or hindrance, launch further terrorist attacks in London. Paddington Underground and Covent Garden have been mentioned Is this managed by rogue elements in MI6? What does the prime minister know, and when did he know it?

    The purpose of the globalists would be to take away our liberties.

    Are any significant elements of our military concerned about this?

  31. Irishboy 2138
    Am I my brothers keeper? No.
    Am I my wife’s apologist? Yes.The Justice Secretary has a unique role in our country to uphold standards in our society.
    Why should he not be called to account for the intemperate smears of his family?

  32. Portendorfer – 6.02

    If Nigel wasn’t “male and pale” as Sayeeda might say, both Gove and Vine would be out of a job and be giving abject apologies.

  34. Showing slight improvement, but still needs to pay attention:

    Cameron fights EU plan to make Britain take more Med migrants

    “David Cameron has triggered the first row with Brussels of his new government by rejecting proposals to distribute refugees evenly across Europe.
    The prime minister has turned to the “nuclear option” and invoked a 1997 opt-out to prevent him being defeated in a vote among EU heads of government. The plan would require Britain to double the number of asylum seekers it takes to about 60,000, including thousands pulled from the Mediterranean.”

    (£) http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4437625.ece

  35. RobertC – 09:05

    It would be enough extra manpower for a jihadist group in each county, and a few more rapists, of the Cambridge as well as the Oxford variety, as well!

  37. Peter from Maidstone – 08:30

    “Why does Portendorfer have the same IP address as telemachus?”

    Peter, a quick shufti at Disqus reveals that “Portendorfer” hasn’t be active for 5 months – via the Disqus login anyway:

    https://disqus.com/by/portendorfer/

    That “Portendorfer” was in the habit of responding to telemachus, goatmince, dalai guevara, you_kid and some of the others that are on Colonel Mustard’s watch list.

    Looks like the telemachus Borg collective has assimilated/stolen yet another unwitting identity. eg. Fergus Pickering etc. I’m only surprised he hasn’t popped up as TrevorsDen, or the dreaded Phil!

  38. #Breaking News#

    Umunna has Chuka’d his hat in the ring for Labour Leadership!

    Another lawyer, just what they need, eh?
    🙂

  39. … another southern, metro lawyer. Just what Labour need to restore their core “working” class vote in the north of England.

    This is great news for UKIP. Wish him well folks!

  40. As a child I never liked Brussels Sprouts – Brussels really does stink!

  41. He should not be able to stand. No one whose parents were not born in the UK, or abroad on civil or military service, should be eligible to attend as an MP in the UK Parliament

  42. In the sixties, Bill Shankly famously said something like, “It’s not just a matter of life and death…..it’s more important than that!”
    This morning, of the Berlin Phil’s failure to elect a new conductor it has been said, “It’s not like electing a Pope…it’s more important than that.” 🙂

  43. Ostrich (O),
    Regarding the Berlin Phil. Electing a new conductor is more important than electing a Pope. I would not trust Francis with a tin whistle, let alone Mozart.

  44. A brilliant satire from Scott Ott on the USA’s MSM – the states’ premier looney bin.

    Shut Up @PamelaGeller. My defense of the First Amendment right to silence others.

    http://ow.ly/3xRLVG #ScottOttThought

  45. Priti Patel is being called the second Asian women to sit at the top table after baroness warsi.
    The difference is Priti thinks and acts as an English women.
    And warsi, ?????

  46. Any suggestion the electorate didn’t get it is wrong.
    They didn’t want what was being offered.
    David millibars yesterday.

  47. John birch – 13:39

    Did she ever think at all, just followed orders, and pass on information.

  51. To EC:
    So well I see but am bereft.
    The hated hated hated Left.
    You must indeed extol the Right.
    But do not liken me to Telly sh!te.

  52. Frank P – 14:20

    I switched on the Daily Politics today to see if Andrew Neil , or anybody, had anything to say about Chuka wotsisname. Found the WHOLE show to be yet another wall to wall Labour love in. Alan Milburn and Stella smirkin’ Creasy talking total bollocks unchallenged in any meaningful way.

    Very disappointed with Brillo although I don’t suppose his chimp can help it.

    BBC delenda est!

  53. Fergus Pickering vs Fergus Pickering

    One of them is a Whitworth by name, the other is one by nature.

  54. stephen maybery 12th, – 12:58

    “I would not trust Francis with a tin whistle, let alone Mozart.”

    We-ell, he does seem to have set a few cats loose among the pigeons and, as an atheist of Northern Irish origin, my view is that anybody who does that to that appalling cabal of brown-h*tters, whether deliberately or through incompetence, can’t be all bad! 🙂

  55. Robert 14.15 and E C 14.36.
    I am curious, can you expand on your opinions.

  56. John birch May 12th, 2015 – 13:39

    The difference is Priti thinks and acts as an English women.
    And warsi, ?????

    John Warsi is a Muslim a Paki. Prita Patel is an Indian from the Patel Clan who love England.

  57. John birch – 15:49

    Word association. It was first word that came to mind when you enquired of Baroness.

  58. David I know that, which is why I was puzzled about those two comments. I live close to her area and she is VERY highly respected amongst her constituents.
    She seems to me to be very able and she as I said , is virtually English. As a women I think she’s as good as you can get.
    Just re read that and it’s not meant in any way derogatory. I could have changed it but I stand by the comment.

  59. EC
    May 12th, 2015 – 11:22
    “… another southern, metro lawyer. Just what Labour need to restore their core “working” class vote in the north of England”.

    True, EC, but on the other hand, if for instance Andy Burnham was elected, he might appeal to the core working class vote in the north of England, but would only alienate the southern, middle class types. What Labour needs is someone with nationwide appeal, eg Dan Jarvis, who sadly has opted not to run. He was the only worthwhile prospective candidate. The rest of them are all a waste of oxygen.

  60. Lesley C, surely what Labour need is someone like Ed Miliband who has no appeal among Northern working voters, or Southern middle class types, and who will complete the job of alienating the electorate from socialism once and for all.

  62. John birch – 15:49

    She might not have given away State Secrets, but there is still a lot of information in hidden in plain view that would be useful and more easily spotted from within government.

    Green pressure groups have been funded by the EU/British Governments in order to initiate the Green Agenda, to which the political establishment can then ‘support’, and be enriched, as a group and individually. They are not alone.

    And much can be gleaned from how people privately react to information that is publicly known, especially when ‘networking’ can be so profitable:

    Islamic ‘radicals’ at the heart of Whitehall
    Baroness Warsi gave official roles to people with links to Islamist groups
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11427370/Islamic-radicals-at-the-heart-of-Whitehall.html

    Goodbye and good riddance – Baroness Warsi gone
    http://www.fahrenheit211.net/2014/08/06/goodbye-and-good-riddance-baroness-warsi-gone

    Baroness Warsi: Muslim supremacist still in Cabinet and with much greater authority
    http://edgar1981.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/baroness-warsi-muslim-supremacist-still.html

    She is a muslim, with a “strong opposition to a burka ban in the UK, … [an] ambivalent attitude toward Islamic terrorism, and … [an] obsession with ‘Islamaphobia'”, which is an indication as to where her loyalties lie, yet she was the Conservative Party Chairman. The chairman, I ask you!

    That is how confused Cameron has been over Multiculturalism. I had almost forgotten what a pr*t he was! One has to live in hope, though, even UKIP members, because … because? … because he is our Prime Minister!

    I knew there had to be a reason! 🙂 🙂 🙂

  64. Lesley C. – 17:57

    You mean, “They are CO2 emitters and need to be closed down under an EU directive”!

  65. Robert, I fully agree with you about warsi.
    Which is why the question marks were there after her name.
    They are both called Asians but one I would trust to be on our side and the other I wouldn’t trust for a moment.

  66. Frank P @ 13:55

    The industructable barbarian is back, Frank, needs some time to get up to speed, observes nothing much has changed since the day of reckoning that didn’t work to plan. Still, there will be another day.

  68. The GE?

    A dimpled pink tory win, better than the fishy marxist end of civilisation we might have seen if not for UKIP dragging a screaming Cameron even a little off his middle ground,;enough to gain a tory victory.

    Still. Watch the twisting sod connive and welsh on everything he’s ‘promised’ over the term.

  69. John birch May 12th, 2015 – 16:48

    David I know that

    John I am sorry if you thought that I was criticising you, far from it.

    I love Indian people I find them to be like us but not the Muslims I do not trust any of them.

  71. Portendorfer has the same IP address as the Comrade? Are you going to route his posts to the Wall’s home for past their sell-by date trolls, Peter?

  72. All X are Y IS NOT THE SAME as All Y are X.

    Simple logic, but the MSM don’t or won’t grasp it, and are very reluctant to report it.

  73. Baron –

    Wherever did you get the impression that “yob tvoyu mat” translates into English – “As I live and breathe”?

  74. Baron –

    My apologies – I should have addressed my question to EC!

  77. Everybody –

    More apologies. The “Tov tvoyu mat” reference didn’t originate with EC either. It was Alexander’s doing.

  78. Herbert Thornton – 19:37

    Please may I refer the honourable gentleman to Mr. Boot on that one.

    The Russian text on the photo I’m sending to interested parties is a masterpiece of succinctness – ominously says “We can do it again.” The pictogram however is rather amusing!

  80. Noa – 19:46

    Doesn’t it depend what the money will be used for or, rather, what it is expected to be used for and who as control of it?

    If the money is larger than expected for one MP because of the large national vote, it should be used by the party’s MPs, nationally?

    If it is just for the MP’s local issues, why is it such a large amount?

    Does it have to be accepted or rejected today, or can it be spent on appropriate work and the remainder returned at the end of the financial year?

    I do think recruiting 15 extra staff, immediately, does appear to be somewhat hasty.

    It needs a bit more discussion before making any decision. Shouldn’t the party be asking for information from the MP, who then realises that he needs more staff to perform his role, not the party making demands.

  81. Modern life: Number Crunching: Twitter disciples

    Ant and Dec @antanddec 4.72 million followers
    Russell Brand @rustyrockets 9.69 million followers
    Pope Francis @pontifex 6.06 million followers
    Dalai Lama @DalaiLama 10.90 million followers
    David Cameron @David_Cameron 1.06 million followers
    Nigel Farage @Nigel_Farage 237 thousand followers
    Jean-Claude @JunckerEU 123 thousand followers
    Juncker
    Stephen Fry @stephenfry 9.61 million followers
    Barack Obama @BarackObama 59.10 million followers
    Justin Bieber @justinbieber 63.50 million followers
    Peter Tatchell @PeterTatchell 56 thousand followers
    Yoda @yoda 119 thousand followers

    Homo Sapiens, come on in, your time is up!

  82. Short money is provided to an opposition party, not an MP, to allow it to effectively act as an opposition. Therefore Carswell should not reject it. It is not the same as an MPs office expenses. It is intended to fund a much wider operation and range of activities on a party basis.

  83. The final nail in the coffin of Edward Miliband’s political career was hammered in by Bret Baier on Fox News Special Report tonight, featuring as the last item Jon Stewart’s piss-take of the outgoing ‘Labour Party Leader’ with a collage of Miliband’s TV prat falls during the election topping it with the crack, as the audience guffawed, “A mixture of Joe Biden and David Brent”. Good epitaph to be inscribed on the back of his ‘tablet of stone of intent’.

    On seconds thoughts – far too complimentary.

  85. Baron

    I am presently in the city of H- where I was able to pick up a copy of The Finkler Question by Howard Jacobson. As I will be taking it home to the capital city of M-, together with Andrew Roberts’ Napoleon the Great, the next fortnight should be packed with fun.

    If you have two books lined up, do you read them concurrently, or one after the other?

  86. EC
    May 12th, 2015 – 19:50 –

    Thanks – is there a url where the pictogram can be found?

    I’m clearly having a bad day. My last posting before this erroneously referred to “TOB tvoyu mat” when it should have read “YOB”.

    The last two Russian words mean “your mother”, so you can guess what “Yob” means.

  88. Burnham is a re-heated has-been, long overdue for departure from politics. He has slithered about at the top since New Labour days but his intellect stops at “If I have an idea it is good but if the Tories have the same idea it is bad”.

    Labour need to “find him out” – and Harmon – and get rid of both of them. Stale lightweights with too much Labour re-invention baggage defined only by their grievance peddling, tribalism and relish for telling others what to do.

    If Burnham is central to the leadership contest it will show that Labour has learned nothing from the election.

  89. @Colonel Mustard 13th, – 08:05

    “If Burnham is central to the leadership contest it will show that Labour has learned nothing from the election.”

    But I’m sure you don’t see that as a serious problem? 🙂

  90. Cameron preparing to ban the EDL ? `New Law to target radicalization.`The definitions given would fit the description of the EDL as previously given by Eric Pickles.They propose a `banning order for extremist organizations who use hate speech [and who will define that] in public places`~~~The Law has already been used against a preacher quoting the Bible,and Paul Weston for quoting Churchill.

  92. Ostrich (occasionally) May 13th, 2015 – 09:18

    Well, tangentially, yes. In as much as there is no guarantee that they won’t slither back into government at some point with a mandate to repeat the same old failed experiment.

    If Labour dropped the red baggage, the late 19th century ideology that sees progress in terms of revolution and its obsession with privileging selected identity groups it might find its way to a recognition of how modern society is really constructed and an appeal to Everyman. Labour like to crow about equality and fairness from the top of a moral dungheap, attracting grievance monkeys like flies, whereas they would do better positioning themselves to whisper gently about decency and fair play.

    They won’t ever do that with the likes of Burnham, Harmon, Cooper, etc., clogging the veins of electability on their front bench.

  93. Bllody hell,Colonel! Please stop giving the Labour Party good advice. They just might take it. Luckily I think they’re too thick, but don’t push your luck! There are some cunning bastards among ’em. 🙂

  97. EC (10;13)

    🙂 Jigs (so to speak) nicely with A Boot’s piece on Angie’s tardy visit to the Russki VE celebrations.

  98. Frank P May 13th, 2015 – 10:02

    Not to worry. 60 Labour MPs (23%) are backing Burnham as leader to “steamroller” any Blairite revision.

    That is good news for the Tories and UKIP as Burnham puts the busted in busted flush and flushing is the only thing that should really happen to him. His telemachean mentality will guarantee a return to banging the collective Labour head against the brick wall of their own deep rooted bigotry, prejudice and out dated dogma.

    He is an even bigger whining grievance monkey than Miliband was and carries the awful baggage of Mid Staffs. Even more of a representative reminder of the ghastly Brown regime than Miliband.

    Labour’s collective stupidity is a wonder to behold. Never in the field of human politics have so many ignored so much to achieve so little.

  99. More laws being rushed through to deal with ‘terrorism’ and ‘hate speech’, which are more likely to be used against those who delineate the evils of Islam, rather than against the jihad. Watch your back fellow renegades! It is you they are coming for, not the jihadists. The police has been stuffed with Common Purpose lackeys who are now calling the shots and the effnick and sexual minorities have now become the majority: particularly the Wankocracy.
    Get cracking Nigel, no one else is going to represent the white male straight Anglo Saxon minority And it’s a dying breed. 🙂

  101. Peter – every time I press the ‘submit’ button, it raises my ire. It is very Islamic word in the context of the zeitgeist. Why can’t it be changed to ‘send’? I’m being serious and others have suggested this before. Now I have to do it again …. Arrrggghhh!!!

  103. EC @ 19:21

    Frank has already pointed out the piece, it’s more than excellent, the man’s wordsmithing talent is beyond doubt, it’s his judgment that fails him.

    So it’s you, the mystery sender? Good grief, how courageous of you, EC, Baron’s dying with envy.

  104. EC @ 21:50

    Revealing, isn’t it, EC, but who knows, the messiah may lead the near 60n of the deluded over a cliff somewhere, weirder things have happened.

  105. Malfeur @ 01:33

    Either way will do, young sir, but be warned the Finkler Question is Full Monty tongue in cheek, some don’t get it. Still, enjoy.

  106. Radford NG @ 09:23

    So, from now on it’s ‘all we need is love’, is it, Radford. Would it extend to the physical? Baron’s been missing it for a while.

  107. @Colonel Mustard 13th, – 09:57

    “If Labour dropped the red baggage, the late 19th century ideology that sees progress in terms of revolution and its obsession with privileging selected identity groups ”

    Indeed, but that is a the core of its being, isn’t it? You can no more build a labour party without all that red shit than build a car without a chassis. E-rr, just a minute…..hold the line…..You mean cars don’t have chassis any more? What on earth is a ‘mono-cock’?

    Although I concede that they did get rid of clause 4, but not without a lot of struggle and grief.

  109. Frank P @ 10:37

    What the omni all Mr. Boot conveniently forgets is that the whole of the killing fields in eastern Ukraine began when some two dozens of armed thugs deposed an elected President of Ukraine.

    Baron has said it before, the KGB colonel had no interest, still has no interest in the dust of eastern Ukraine. For purely domestic purposes he cannot abandon the Russians who live there.

    In the last few weeks the barbarian has had plenty of opportunity to debate the conflict with the actors, the most amazing thing is virtually all of the Ukrainians he has spoken to (many dislike, hate the colonel as much as Mr. Boot), but all to a man dislike what’s happening in their country now, the corruption that has worsened, the killings, the fear with which people had to live, people of whatever nationality, age, political bend. A couple of students summed it up: ‘Nobody would dare camp in Maidan now. And they call it democracy’.

    On two counts Mr. Boot gets it wrong. if Stalin’s Soviet Union were beaten from attacking Germany by weeks why was it many officers were on holiday when the Austrian corporal switched on Barbarossa?

    And wouldn’t the Red Army beaten the Nazis without the Americans joining, dying on the second front? Hmmm. Baron reckons the Russian Ivan wouldn’t have possibly won the war without material help from the West, but not opening the Western Front may have at best delayed the Red Army’s victory, not prevent it. Ivan was on the move, wouldn’t have stopped before tipping his feet in the Atlantic, Kursk was what turned it, and not one American soldier was there.

  110. Peter from Maidstone @ 15:02

    Never mind the buttons, Peter, what ha s happened to the man Baron (and others) easily disagreed with, laughed at, kicked painfully. Where is telemachus? Baron expected him to be full of tears, blaming the weather, cursing the unwashed, why the silence? Has he defected?

  111. Colonel Mustard
    May 13th, 2015 – 11:50
    “Not to worry. 60 Labour MPs (23%) are backing Burnham as leader to “steamroller” any Blairite revision”

    And apparently Burnham has the unions on his side as well. So providing he gets elected, we are safe from Labour till at least 2025.

  113. Shock!Horror!Scandal ! Prince Charles wrote to PM Blair expressing concern as to whether British forces in Iraq were properly resourced. This seems to be the nature of the letters that the Guardian has forced to be made public;according to first reports.

  114. Baron May 13th, 2015 – 15:12

    He flounced.

    *

    But he is still lurking and might or might not have posted using (yet) another identity.

  115. Colonel Mustard @ 18:01

    Thanks, Colonel, he must be bitterly disappointed, not only did his favourite political bunch get squeezed like an old lemon, his favourite laborite, the ball-less Ball lost his seat. He (telemachus? Ball?) must be suicidal, and serves him right, too.

    Btw, and this isn’t a plug for the spas of Bohemia, but if ever you (or anyone else for that matter) have a need to relax whilst getting a boost to your health, talk to a travel agent skilled in this sort of treatment, investigate the Net, quiz the barbarian, it’s worth it, and it’s not too expensive.

  116. Peter from Maidstone May 13th, 2015 – 16:43

    “Interesting that McClusky says that Labour lost because it was not Hard-Left enough. Let’s hope that’s the answer they choose to adopt.”

    He is either deluded or else a liar, or possibly both.

  117. It will take just over 7 minutes of your life, if you decide to watch it, a small sample of what we sadly miss in Britain, it’s a fantastic game, ice hockey, and more than just a handful of countries are now good at it, the Canadians still trump them all.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WIp04xKooc

  118. A helpful suggestion, watch the game without the sound (it’s not in English), on a full screen. If it doesn’t get your heart racing, nothing ever will.

  120. So…..the Beeb considers Denis McShane an appropriate ‘talking head’ to discuss the published content of Charlie’s ‘black spider’ letters. Is this them just flippin’ the fingers or are they now actively hammering in their own coffin nails?

    BBC delenda est!

  122. EC
    May 13th, 2015 – 10:13

    Your informant is correct. Transliterated (so far as our alphabet allows) they are “MOZH’em PovtorEETS” and literally translated MOZH’em means “We can” and “PovtorEETS” means “repeat”.

  124. Herbert Thornton @ 03:10

    A sharp observation, Herbert, but this cannot be not the first and only change of mind by the boy. The election’s over, there will be many more of ‘we’ve looked into it nothing going, circumstances have changed, it would do more harm than good, ….’ The next turnaround will be immigration, Baron reckons.

    And your Russian’s perfect, too. The cartoon is quite imaginative though, driving with it on a windscreen suggests the majority of the unwashed back it, otherwise the driver would have been refused insurance, a rough country, Russia.

  125. Frank P, May 13th, 2015 – 12:52

    “More laws being rushed through to deal with ‘terrorism’ and ‘hate speech’, which are more likely to be used against those who delineate the evils of Islam, rather than against the jihad. Watch your back fellow renegades! It is you they are coming for, not the jihadists.”</i)

    imho, the most important message of the week so far!

    If PR Dave really intended to take on the Islamic supremacists, if he really cared about our nation, our historic rights and freedoms, then he would outlaw Sharia Courts along with any other religious courts that seek to subvert replace the common law of England.

    The long marchers never rest, and the jihad never sleeps…

  126. Frank P, May 13th, 2015 – 00:50

    “This encapsulates the ‘problems of racism’:”

    http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/bad_americans/baltimore_the_summing_up.php

    That graphic says it all. Obama and his race baiters are at the source of recent outbreaks of anarchy.

    icymi, and for those not subscribed to PJTV (why not!) just listen to what this black guy has to say about what awaits those who try to better themselves and try to escape from the ghetto of drugs and gangsta culture:

    “Why Do Evil, Racist Whites Seem To Treat You Better Than The Blacks Who Call Them That?”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAPKqjFeXxA

  127. Re: above

    Try not be put off by the awful background lift music.
    He takes longer to get to the point than a certain other broadcaster, but worth soldiering on! – maybe.

  129. Paddy O’Flynn and Nigel Farage seem to be taking their cue from Andrew Strauss and Kevin Petersen. All we need is Piers feckin’ Morgan to take sides and back Nigel (or Paddy) and that will be the end of UKIP.

    WTF is going on? Have we been buying a bum steer? Noa??

  130. So, Amal Clooney has lost her battle to filtch the Elgins from the British Museum, not to worry, she is involved in the attempt to prosecute soldiers for their actions in Northern Ireland, perhaps she will have better success with that venture, if not there arte plenty of other prospects waiting in the wings. Mrs Clooney was born in Lebanon, but is now described as British. Naturally. Like so many who have arrived on our shores and partaken of all the advantages our country has to offer, the woman never misses an opportunity to kick us in the nuts, nothing new there. Frankly these people should be tossed back to where they came from, as I for one am heartily sick of seeing my country treated with contempt by those who are worthy of nothing but contempt.

  131. What does it mean that the UK Parliament is now the most homosexual in the world? With 5.4% of MPs declaring that they are homosexuals, and others still keeping it quiet. Since the average rate of homosexuals in the population is 1.5% we can reasonably ask whether the interests of our British society and culture are served well by a disproportionate representation in Parliament of those who represent a challenge to traditional social structures and will act as a powerful lobby for the continuing subversion of British culture.

  132. Frank P – 11:34

    It is a pity that UKIP can’t be like all the other parties, sweetness and light, everyone in agreement, and being reported accurately, if not fairly, by the Press. 🙂 We have already had several criticising reports, with little detail, which shows that the MSM war continues.

    We are in that period between an election victory and when the new government actually does something! And I don’t mean make announcements of their intended actions.

    Farage pushed himself to the limit, quite apart from being in pain from ‘historic injuries’, was trying to be in Brussels and his prospective parliamentary constituency as well as providing national coverage on TV and travelling to other parts of Britain to spread the word. Most party leaders are usually defending a seat, not trying to gain it.

    When he said he was going to quit if he failed to get a Westminster seat, I thought that that the resulting weariness was part of it. I am pleased he has agreed to stay, but he needs a sabbatical, if only for him to regain his health. Throughout all the abusive interviews, he gallantly made every effort to present UKIP policy against a wall of continual regurgitated accusations against the party, and has spoken clearly on so many issues. He needs a sabbatical from ‘all that crap’.

    In fact, while he didn’t get a seat (after a very late start to the count), UKIP did very well, securing many second places, especially in the North of England, more council seats and a dramatic increase in their share of the vote compared to the last general election. I don’t think they lost that many deposits, unlike other parties that could be mentioned! So, while they did well they didn’t exceed their expectations, but then, no party did, apart from those Tories who though they were heading for disaster and the SNP who won’t know what to do when they have won.

    I think the most important result is that CMD can now be held accountable. We have had five years of government where all concerned can blame others!

    This new government, which was part of government before the election, should be able to put in place many of the policies that the couldn’t ‘because of the Lib ems’. Many are returning to their old offices.

    We will see what they do and the results thereof. I think that implementing their policies, if they do, should make them battle hardened, and be viewed with that same incredulity that UKIP receive for living in the real world.

    Again, we will see! 🙂

  133. RobertC May 14th, 2015 – 11:20

    “So, just a pretty face.”

    Attractive possibly, a face with fine features and character probably, but ‘pretty’ never.

  134. PfM – 12:13

    To be fair, some (or many) still uphold normal family life as normal and do not want to change the world, but would like to be treated with consideration. Some find homosexual marriage abnormal and don’t want it themselves. They probably had a Mother and Father and would see stopping others from experiencing that as evil.

    Then again, I don’t think many of those will be found in the HoC.

  137. Frank P – 11:34
    RobertC – 12:24

    Yesterday’s (hardcopy) Times has this:

    “Ukip’s (sic) national executive committee decided on Monday to reinstate Mr Farage. No one told Mr Carswell, who learnt from the news from a journalist.

    The funds at the centre of the dispute are made available to opposition parties to help with research, parliamentary business and travel expenses.”

    It does explain a lot!

    This money is dependent on UKIP having at least one MP but is not just for the MP, or MPs.

    In the past, UKIP have struggled for funding normal political party activities with, I believe, some MEPs chipping in from their own income to help out the party in difficult times.

    Another disagreement, misunderstanding even, eagerly aired by the MSM.

  138. There is a new dramatic UKIP headline in the Telegraph, but the views expressed are similar to my earlier comments:

    Ukip in crisis: Nigel Farage could resign again – live
    Ukip sources say that Nigel Farage may walk away from his leadership for a second time. Latest updates as a crisis unfolds
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11605216/Ukip-in-crisis-live.html

    Yet, in the article we have:

    “He, [Stuart Wheeler, one of Ukip’s biggest donors,] suggested that Mr Farage was not fit to lead the party over the summer due to health problems. “One difficulty is, not surprisingly he is utterly exhausted and because of his accident 5 years ago he is in pain,” he told BBC Radio 5 Live. “I do not think that he should have unresigned.

    “I would like him to step down at least for the moment… and if he wants him to put himself up in an election he’s every right to do so but personally I would prefer someone else now.”
    Mr Wheeler said he was a “huge admirer of Nigel Farage” and that “without him the party would never have achieved anything like what it has”.”

    I think everyone, including the media, should lay off the sugar and let the dust settle.

  140. Patrick O’Flynn of UKIP = supporter of David Owen’s SDP

    David Cameron’s faction (modernising the Conservative Party since 1992!) = David Owen’s SDP

    When the 2010 coalition was formed. David Owen joined the Labour Party. And he made a donation to Ed Miliband. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

    The churches have closed. The mosques have opened.
    The cupboard is bare. The left wingers don’t really care.
    One third of MPs are women. Great.
    The families are broken. The streets stink of skunk.
    Liberty is fading, the free press with it too.
    The new Tory government is really poo. In fact it is run by Baron Finkelstein and his SDP friends.

    Vote Ed Miliband get SNP.
    Vote Dave Cameron get SDP.

    We’re stuck with SDP forever.

    So it’s time to emigrate if you haven’t already!

    The fact is, the government is SDP. They won the election fair and square. Let’s accept the result. If we don’t want an SDP government we’re the ones who have to leave. Britain is an SDP country now.

  142. Sorry RobertC – all that may be true or untrue or even a mixture of both, but it underlines my reaction after the election results: “You can’t fart agin thunder.”

    The entrenched traditional party structures dictate that either the Tories or the Labour Party will always get their hands on the levers of power in the UK -and their first consideration when they do is self interest and their own political survival, which they each have achieved for a generation or two until the SHTF, then we have a change of parasites. Nothing really changes very much though for the punters; it has been a general trend towards more and more socialism since 1945. The clothes in which it dresses change with public fads; but the power of the unelected bureacratic behemoth of the EU is the upshot. I hoped UKIP might mount an assault on that, which at least the English punters would support, but ’twas not to be, evidenced by the squabbling over petty cash by an incompatible bunch of confused UKIP shakers and movers, contributors and, frankly – supporters.

    Depressing! The message from the manifesto was good. Getting the power and having the wherewithal to implement it seems like an unrealistic dream to me. Particularly when you see and hear the vox pops on TV or even chat to your neighbours. But don’t let my jaundiced hindsight stop you dreaming: hope springs eternal, etc. etc and etcetera.

  143. Frank, I remain encouraged that they got 14% share, and that they are the third most supported party, coming a good second in many places. It now requires much effort to build on that and to create a popular party. I don’t want my own MP to have a third term. I think she can be unseated.

  144. Don’t you just love the diversity of this country when you read cases in newspapers .
    How about this.
    From the daily mail.
    Lesbian lovers face jail for street attack.
    A lesbian couple launched a vicious attack on a fitness instructor colleague, leaving her with a broken cheekbone.
    Koran hassan 30 and sylwia tunajek both worked in the same fitness centre as their victim edyta kolodziejczyk.
    Lovely English names.
    How boring this country was in the past before we had the rich vibrant society that has brought us these pleasures.

  148. UKIP got 13+% in this area….without even trying.Conservatives got 25%;again without trying. (Greens 6+% ; Lib Dems 3.4% ).

  149. I truly, truly love a good scrap.
    Farage will have O’Flynn’s balls for breakfast.

  150. Radford, the UKIP vote is fairly committed, the Conservative vote is fairly habitual. It would require only a 6% swing of votes from Conservative to UKIP in the stats you provided. And there are 4 or 5 years to accomplish that.

  151. In my constituency. Cons were 45%, Lib-Dems 24% and UKIP 16%. But 23,000 people didn’t vote. And UKIP were not highly visible. And our MP is not well liked. A campaign for common sense Conservatism, and a campaign for Time for a Change, and a campaign that asks awkward questions – why can’t local children get into schools? Why can’t we get appointments at the doctors? Why are there no cheap houses? Who is getting all the social housing? These are reasonable questions that our MP will not ask.

  152. Actor Johnny Depp has been told he has until Saturday to remove his dogs from Australia or they will be put down.
    Depp and his wife Amber Heard are accused of not declaring Yorkshire Terriers Boo and Pistol to customs officials when they flew into Queensland by private jet last month.
    Australia has strict animal quarantine laws to prevent importing infections.
    Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce said he understood the dogs were being sent back to the US.
    PITY WE CANNOT APPLY SUCH STRICT AND RATIONAL RULES TO ALL THOSE WHO CAN JUST DUMP THEMSELVES HERE!

  153. My grandparents surnames were Hawkings and Greenway, Davies, and Galea

    Anglo-saxon, Celtic, and Maltese.

    The Hawkings were farmers. The Greenways had money. The Davies’ were farmers from Aberaeron. My great grandfather was a Galea from Malta. His father (a policeman) died when he was young. He lied about his age, joined the British army when he was 14 years old then fought at Gallipoli in WWI. Later he was at Dunkirk. In WWII he was on a ship that sank, and he watched his friends die in the sea. He hated war and encouraged his son (my grandfather) to join the Merchant Navy. My father was in the Merchant Navy too and had been to Iraq, Japan, Hong Kong, and so on.

    It’s not that I wanted to abandon my country but I feel like there’s not much hope in Britain. I’m in China now and from what I’ve read David Sassoon was one of the more prominent traders around here. The ports in Hong Kong, Ningbo, and Shanghai are still here. There are a lot of opportunities in the textile trade.

    In Shanghai there’s a huge deep water port based off of an island miles out to sea. To get there you drive over one of the longest bridges in the world. It’s not a very beautiful bridge, but it is an eccentric journey. Not many bridges take you over the sea to the point where you feel like you’re in the middle of nowhere on top of the ocean.

    Last time I was back in Britain there was an advert outside the ASDA supermarket that said “Happy Eid”. What’s an Eid and how much does it cost?

  154. “In WWII he was on a ship that sank, and he watched his friends die in the sea.”

    forgot to note: my great grandfather was in the sea too. he only survived because he was a strong swimmer.

  155. Hannan has written that the worst thing about the EU is that it does not abide by its own rules and changes them when it suits.

    Here is another example to illustrate the EU-evil:

    EU bites back with legal threat to force more Mediterranean asylum seekers on Britain
    THE European Union could legally FORCE Britain to take on more asylum seekers after Brussels officials launched an attack on the Government’s refusal to accept strict quotas.
    “The European Commission confirmed it could not force Britain to take part in its resettlement scheme because the UK is legitimately allowed to opt out of justice and home affairs policies set by the EU, which includes asylum decisions.

    However, in apparent retaliation, the Commission today said it was considering changing the “legal parameters” of the EU’s Dublin Convention to “achieve a fairer distribution of asylum seekers in Europe”.”
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/577237/European-Union-bites-back-Theresa-May-threats-Mediterranean-asylum-seekers-Britain

    And Cameron wants to negotiate with these lying, conniving, bastards!

  156. RobertC
    May 14th, 2015 – 16:50

    And Cameron wants to negotiate with these lying, conniving, bastards!
    SORRY, BUT BIRDS OF A FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER!

  158. anne wotana kaye – 17:02

    Maybe 🙂 , or he could be under an illusion that he has negotiating skills 🙂 🙂 and that the EU will keep their word 🙂 🙂 🙂 , but whatever the situation, it has yet to dawn on all those recent Tory voters 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

  159. Baron:13 May at 18.37

    Telemachus alive and well at Spec. blogs/animal rights/Simon Hart/14 May.

  160. ROD LIDDLE
    Labour must estrange its awful voters

    And so now we have to suffer the epic delusions, temper tantrums and hissy fits of the metro-left. They simply cannot believe how you scumbags could have got it so wrong last Thursday, you morons. You vindictive, selfish morons. That has been the general response from all of the people, the liberal middle-class lefties, who have cheerfully contributed towards making the once great Labour party effectively unelectable. You lot voted Tory out of fear — because you are stupid, stupid people. The Conservatives ran a ‘negative’ campaign and, because you are either simply horrible human beings, or just thick, you fell for it.
    That’s been the subtext of most of the bien-pensants, when they’re not out screaming with fury in the streets, stamping their little feet and daubing ‘Tory scum’ on war memorials. It was the subtext of Ed Miliband’s magnificently patronising and deluded analysis that Labour (i.e. Ed Miliband) lost the election but ‘did not lose the argument’. No Ed, you lost both. You lost the election because you lost the argument. And also because lots of people, including members of your family, thought you were a ludicrous creature increasingly resembling one of those confections in a Dr Seuss book for kiddies. My favourite little temper strop, though, came from a woman called Rebecca Roache, who is a lecturer at Royal Holloway. Tory voters are akin to racists, sexists and homophobes, she asserted on her blog, before adding that she had ‘defriended’ people on Facebook who had posted links to pro-Tory pages. ‘I’m tired of reasoned debate,’ she added.
    In what subject does Becca bestow upon her students the fruits of her incalculable wisdom? Remember, she’s tired of reasoned debate. Yep, of course — philosophy. Better give up your job then, you fatuous cow. If you want to know more about this woman’s research pedigree, here’s an excerpt from her webpage: ‘In my MPhil thesis I argued that objects are composed of temporal parts. In my PhD thesis I considered the conceptual possibility of beings that (like us) have rich mental lives, can self-refer, and are self-conscious and self concerned, but (unlike us) are not persons.’ What are these strange beings, then — Tories?
    The sad thing for me is that aside from a handful of northern MPs and some embittered Blairites in the south, Labour really does not think that it lost the argument. They are in a state of complete denial. Occasionally one hears a platitude from someone or other about how the party needs to ‘reconnect’ with voters, but there is no conception of how this reconnection might occur. Of course, it most certainly does need to ‘reconnect’ with voters. But equally it needs to estrange voters like Rebecca Roache as soon as is humanly possible. If Labour is to make a comeback, then it will be as a party for which Rebecca could not possibly bring herself to vote, not even if hell froze over. If Ed Miliband, too, could not bring himself to vote for it, so much the better. Because otherwise Labour will be left as a party of the affluent, secular, achingly liberal London middle classes — plus all those minorities (ethnic, gender, transgendered and so on) who have not yet decided to vote Green. Deconstruct last Thursday’s poll and you see a party which does very well in the capital but has a rapidly diminishing appeal elsewhere.
    Deconstruct the poll and you see a party which does well in London, but has a diminishing appeal elsewhere
    Look at the Ukip vote north of the Home Counties. Massive and growing. Just imagine if Ukip were as credible as the SNP — Labour would be down to 80 or 90 seats, if that. It is all very well for Labour supporters to console themselves with the fact that much more than half of all Scottish people voted for a supposedly ‘progressive’ party, even if it wasn’t their party. But that is not entirely why Sturgeon et al did so well — the clue is in the name. Scottish National Party. Aside from the economic leftism, the SNP succeeded because it tapped into a feeling of pride and history and nationhood, as well as a visceral dislike for London. But talk about a sense of national pride and history to the London left and they will tell you it’s all a case of false consciousness and, like religion, to be ignored or derided. More fool them.
    According to the pollster Peter Kellner, Ukip’s support base is 61 per cent working-class — way more than Labour, the party set up to represent the working class. This is a recent development; according to the same set of statistics, ex-Labour voters migrating to Ukip trebled over the last couple of years. Bear that in mind when you look at the polling results in such constituencies as Nuneaton, Stockton South, the Vale of Clwyd, Sunderland and countless, countless others.
    If Labour is to continue to exist as a major force, rather than as a gradually deliquescing rump, it needs to adopt policies which bring those people back. The Blairites are correct that Miliband alienated the aspirational working class — largely, I think, because he felt no liking or empathy for them. But that is not the half of it. A clear understanding that there is a deserving poor and an undeserving poor is crucial; people who do the right thing, but are nonetheless impoverished, and watch others who do not do the right thing thrive on benefits, dislike Labour’s lazy and ignorant amalgamation of the two groups.

    ‘No, you can’t text on it.’
    A strong policy on immigration is vital — nothing has adversely affected the working class to quite the same degree as the enormous importing of cheap labour. So, too, a robust line against radical Islam — you think it’s left-wing to support such a creed? — and a disavowal of multiculturalism might win back a few votes, too. A respect for Britain’s history and pride in its place in the world, support for the traditional family unit and the admission that there are places beyond the North Circular which are important too… ah, but I’m going too far. People voted Tory, or Ukip, because they were stupid. Let’s leave it at that, huh?

  161. John Birch – 17:38

    Rod does have a way with words, but this says it all, and not just for working class ex-Labour voters:
    “A clear understanding that there is a deserving poor and an undeserving poor is crucial; people who do the right thing, but are nonetheless impoverished, and watch others who do not do the right thing thrive on benefits, dislike Labour’s lazy and ignorant amalgamation of the two groups.”

  162. You see, that’s the problem when talentless lick-spittles like Cameron Clegg and Miliband become party leaders, it makes other stupid cnuts like Prat-trick O’Phlegm think they’re worthy of such a role too. The first professional skill we lok for in a politician is the ability to be actually politic.

    As for the next five years, I think a lot of UKIP’s time should be spent tramping round every street in those 118 constituencies where they came second. They, someone, needs to make people aware that, for instance, under a Conservative education secretary, primary school children are being singled out and denounced in school assembly for their parents decision not to allow them to visit a mosque (with all the headscarf wearing, shoes off submission which would be compulsory) etc etc. We here can all make a catalogue of the tyrannies we’re now subject to. And the other thing they should be doing is nothing. For the last five years our very many of our primary schools have been anything from 70 to 90% non-white and when they all leave school as they will during this Parliament, people, even I think the determinedly soft-left middle class will start to have their noses also rubbed in diversity. And if that doesn’t do it, the enforced settlement of immigrants in rural towns and villages (a la Sweden) will. Nothing like have a few hundred thousand knocked off the value of your house to concentrate the brain.
    Then there will be for more civil disturbances all over Europe which eventually will be reported somewhere, Marine and Geert and Pegida (anyone heard of them recently or have they been bought or crushed?) and people will see a Europe-wide pattern that so far they haven’t.
    Events dear boy are on UKIPs side, which is more than can be said for Carswell and O’Phlegm (what is he smiling about all the time anyway?).

  163. Sorry for all the typos above. But in my defence I spent an hour this afternoon with a lifelong Lefty, extremely intelligent, though that is a contradiction in terms I know, and given so much empirical evidence against his beloved but nevertheless vile Labour Party, he actually agreed with me on many things which hitherto he would not.
    But boiling blood is not conducive to good typing, though you’ll get the gist.

  164. Peter from Maidstone @ 14:41

    The only reason the boy and his team got a majority, Baron reckons, was the fear of Labour cum SNP coalition running the country. It wasn’t the promises, the desperate manoeuvring, the rushed policies the Tories came up with. The voters wanted to prevent the poisionous alliance between the deluded left of British politics and the jingoistic SNP, and they did.

  165. The EU in general and the UK in particular must at some point reject all of the illegal African immigrants (boat people) and return them whence they came.

    If this is not done then we will have not thousands but tens of thousands many of whom particularly wish to come to the UK, like it or not but we are seen as a soft touch.

    We (Europe) cannot take the ever growing numbers of primarily young black men, if the deluge is not stopped then we are heading for a disaster of biblical proportions.

    Astronomical numbers of young primitive uneducated African men will never be assimilated.

  166. Frank P

    “…Have we been buying a bum steer? Noa??”

    Sorry Frank, I’ve been out of circulation and touch, trying to help Cameron waste the Defence budget on expensive, imported US cra…kit, so that we can fight their proxy wars for them.
    I surmise within UKIP the usual back stabbing of any political party as the disappointed blame the leadership and it looks to re-group for the long haul to the next GE.
    Carswell must feel a very lonely man though in the HoC, l’m sure blandishments, temptations and sinecures will be offered for his re-defection, if he had hair he would be a scalp for Cameron.
    No matter, there were no UKIP MPs 12 months ago so the party would be no worse off if he goes. And 4m votes is a step on the way to critical mass.

  167. Farage held up well on QT despite being cornered about his resignation and even got some heavy applause from the audience when he spoke about British politics and Europe.The rest of the panel consisted of some shrill woman from the Economist, the Labour bore Tristram Hunt, Jeremy Hunt and Brian May.

    The Tory Hunt and May both defended Farage on his resignation despite the plants in the audience having a go although Hunt rather spoiled it. Having lamented about personal attacks in politics he later called Farage a “coward”.

    Lionel Shriver presented a very good piece in This Week on “shy Tories” and the way the left have bullied and intimidated those with right wing views. Her proposition on the legitimacy of diversity in politics and the need to challenge the left’s claims to a moral monopoly flew directly in the face of the bilge we have come to expect from telemachus and his ilk. She made interesting points about self interest and the poor vs the rich. In the studio she was unfortunately overshadowed by the gobby Piers Morgan as I should have liked to hear her speak more on her theme.

  168. Good piece by Rod Liddle. He is always good value for the New Spectatesman’s money. I love the way he writes about “affluent, secular, achingly liberal London middle classes” without a trace of irony.

    This post election analysis given by Lord Ashcroft reveals some very interesting things and would be well worth 22 minutes of the Conservative high command’s (& UKIP’s) time, I would suggest.

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/05/reflections-on-the-election-polls-and-creating-a-conservative-party-people-need-not-be-shy-about-supporting/

  169. Watching Question Time last night, I began thinking just what was the way ahead.
    I have always liked Farage and admired the way he recovered from the crash and virtually alone brought his party to the high point enjoyed at the beginning of the recent campaign.
    So then I thought of those hanging on past their sell by dates.
    Churchill trying to lead the country after a stroke.
    Thatcher seeking re-election to leadership when her Cabinet had deserted her.
    And Blair continuing to hang on after his disastrous decisions over Iraq.
    Farage was hitherto seen as a breath of fresh air.
    I wonder if he has now become a bad smell.

  170. Jennifer Oldham@May 15th, 2015 – 09:13

    No Jennifer
    I still think outside the westminster bubble people still like Farages direct speaking.
    Tho I do think we need to see more of other kippers taking the strain of Farage
    I think Farage should take his summer off, chill on the beach and forget UKIP and let the other UKIP people grow. For if he cant do that then that is bad management.
    (Remember Farage has had cancer, and been in a car crash and an aeroplane crash so probably needs, and deserves, a break)

  171. An amusing parable by Alex Boot, which should give pause for thought, as it’s bang on the button:

    http://alexanderboot.com/content/german-referee-calls-foul-referendum

    Whatever the problems of the postelection UKIP party, we (and they) must cling hold on the hope of extraction from the creeping – nay, rampant – EU federal aspirations. The task of UKIP, daunting and uphill as it is, is to educate the great unwashed into believing that the sun will rise next day if we secede and that we will be better off eventually with the heel of the Brussels/Strasbourg Bastard Bureaucracy off our national trachea.

    I thought I saw the beginning of the epiphany last night on QT: Farage’s cogent explanation of why we should leave seemed to strike a chord with quite a chunk of the usual rigged audience, despite him being slaughtered over his flip-flop leadership issue. It is essential that he (personaly) hammers the message home constantly up to the referendum, even against the howls of the marshalled EUphiles. He’s our only chance – slim though it is. Nobody else in the party is articulate and sufficiently high-profile to be heard by the dozy punters, steeped in celebrity hyped TV. And the Tory Eurosceptic have already been tamed by Cameron’s ‘success’ in the election, which was really a Pyrrhic victory and an accident of a weird mix of fear and last minute game of blindfold ‘put-the-tail-on-the-donkey’, imho .

  174. Alexsandr – 10:51

    +1

    but he needs to be able to rest and recharge his batteries, and not be met with a coup.

  175. Someone should publicly ask David Cameron a single question: viz:

    As a declared Europhile – are you telling us that the Tory government could NOT govern the UK successfully if we were to extract ourselves from the political and economic strictures of Brussels and Strasbourg?

  176. This UKIP chappie Jonathan Arnott has just performed well on Daily Politics vis-à-vis extraction from the EU.

    BTW. The argument that free movement of population entitles UK citizens to work and retire to let continent, should be met with so what? Why should the folks who don’t leave a sinking ship have to put up with the detritus of mainland Europe, so that the rats can have a better life over there?

  177. … ‘le continent’ – sri Googles auto -spell intercedes again, as message was en route. Serves me right for resorting to Franglais.

  178. The main dangers posited by an EU UKexit:

    1. The UK will never again win the Eurovision song contest.
    2. England will never again win the FIFA World Cup.

    So, no change there then…

  179. EC – 08:57

    The polling bit was interesting, but I think the (pro-Tory) political bit rather missed the point. As an example, take the last of Lord Ashcroft’s slides, where many more Tory voters thought life is better now than it used to be, 30 years ago, which is 1985, if we are being exact.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if few calculated the date and then did a comparison. Wouldn’t many take it as, ‘have things improved from a long time ago?’

    For those that did do a calculation and a comparison, Labour voters would have been into their second Tory government, while Tory voters, while also into their second Tory government 🙂 would have been seeing a strong Tory leader rolling back a little bit of the State! Quite different starting points, I would suggest.

    In addition, how many would be thinking, what, no smartphones, wifi, iPads, etc. How did people survive?

    And then, closer to the truth, we have more going to university, yet more graduates without jobs and, sadly, more with useless degrees, no awareness of customer service or self respect.

    Where families are together, with traditional attitudes, I see their young people still have a good chance of success, as long as they have the stamina to battle against ‘those without substance’, and have good contacts or have a bit of luck. Being a bit rich or somewhat rich isn’t as important (if they went to a reasonable state school) as attitude. If they went to a fee paying school, they might get further up the education ladder, but attitude still counts a lot.

    What I see is that if any of these supporting structures are missing, then yes, the young have much less chance of being successful at any level, even if they have the right attitude. Mass immigration, multiculturalism, the deteriorating education system and the corruption of Science (climate change?) in policy making and the political grievance/fairness agenda have made it much worse for them, though those with some private wealth and some (personal) energy reserves can defer the inevitable.

    Having an ordinary job, to support an ordinary family in an ordinary neighbourhood is still something that to me is a great success, and needs some planning (and luck), yet is rarely mentioned, let alone encouraged.

    It isn’t the way to run a country. It is not sustainable.

  180. Frank P – 12:45

    The fact is, it might be OK for a minor party, well known to be against the EU, to demand a referendum, but for a government to promise one, yet not announce what changes would be deemed acceptable, instead of leaving, is absurd.

    The whole point of a national government is to set out its intentions clearly, then the public can see whether it has succeeded in its endeavours. The fact that it would put pressure on the EU would also help to clarify matters.

  181. RobertC (14:05)

    I infer that you are agreeing with my underlying sentiment and expanding it; but I still want to know whether Cameron thinks he can govern successfully in a UK free of the EU with our own laws and trade regulations repatriated. The 4m or so UKIP punters think the UK would be better off, obviously and large tranches of both Tory and old Labour voters also believe that. So you’re right, Cameron must tell us exactly what would drive him to vote ‘Yes’ to Brexit and whether he thinks he and the Tories could successfully steer HMS United Kingdom thereafter (with or without the Tartan Mafia).

  182. Baron
    May 14th, 2015 – 19:07

    “The only reason the boy and his team got a majority, Baron reckons, was the fear of Labour cum SNP coalition running the country”.

    I also feel that Miliband declaring that Labour would NOT have a referendum on the EU, was another nail in Labour’s coffin.

  183. It’s good news that Chuka Umunna has withdrawn his name as a contender for leader of the Labour Party. He appears a bright and attractive young man, unlike the wretched Milibands or the scraggy females (Ball’s wife looks quite squashed). If he was a contender, Labour would be in a better position.

  185. Frank P – 14:42

    Your question is, effectively, “Does CMD think he can successfully lead and govern Britain outside the EU”, and would put him on the spot, but I don’t know whether it would challenge the public. Most are not interested, and he might respond, “Yes, but I could do even better ‘at the heart of Europe’, which wouldn’t help your cause.

    If CMD thinks he cannot lead Britain successfully out of the EU, without renegotiating, he is not letting on. He might even say (to himself) that he could do this, but I infer from what I hear in the news that he thinks renegotiating (and probably staying in) would be a better bet (for him) than not renegotiating at all.

    So, for me, CMD will be renegotiating, come what may. It will keep him in the news, with little risk (for him) at the time. And ‘why refuse a chance to improve Britain’s position’, Jaw, jaw, jaw is better than war (of words), war (of words), war (of words). And the MSM would join in, doing his job for him!

    As OUR Prime Minister, he should begin by determining what Britain’s needs, or demands, are. These should be openly discussed within political circles, on TV, everywhere in fact. Hannan’s list* would be a good starting point.

    We could all then see, and judge, the EU’s response! We would also become relatively well informed and exit would be almost guaranteed! 🙂 🙂

    However, if he firstly negotiates with Brussels, and then presents us with his efforts, he will be, not our PM, but an EU lackey. I am sure others will do this for him, but what he does will be a strong indication of his motives. 🙂

    Anyway, when he calls for a national vote on whether he has satisfactorily negotiated, there are four possibilities:

    1) If CMD thinks he hasn’t, and hasn’t:
    2) If CMD thinks he hasn’t, but has:
    Both are too absurd to contemplate in any detail for now! Options 1 and 2 would be similar to options 3 and 4, respectively, but logic would demand that CMD would campaign to leave. Would we have a referendum, anyway, as the negotiations would have to be dire for CMD to admit failure? As I say, absurd!

    3) If CMD thinks he has, but hasn’t: this is the scenario that currently concerns most people, including most people on QT last night, for all the expected reasons ABOUT THE REFERENDUM: CMD would campaign to stay in, EU money and people would swamp the campaign, the Tory Party would support its leader, the MSM would be rampant, there would be a complete lack of visibility of what has been agreed in the sub-text. If the voters did accept the negotiations in a referendum, our concerns would then include all those in option 4.

    4) If CMD thinks he has, and has: (not likely, but) we would still be in the EU, subject to rule changes (as Hannan’s Main Complaint* has highlighted, plus Working Time Directive brought in under H&S, forcing immigrant sharing using the Dublin Convention***, etc). It is WHY WE DON’T LIKE BEING IN THE EU. They ignore and change the rules without even noticing. We will be outvoted and have little access to the rest of the world, Britain will inevitably join the Euro-zone and disappear as a nation, etc, etc! And then, Tory leaders have form: remember Heath and his admission that he sold our fishing industry down the Suwannee? No, neither do I !!!

    *Hannan List
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100288254/what-would-david-cameron-have-to-bring-back-from-brussels-to-satisfy-eurosceptics/

    **Hannan’s Main Complaint
    http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/the-coffee-house-wall-6th12th-october/#comment-164226

    ***Dublin Convention
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3080797/EU-threatens-migrant-quota-Brussels-threatens-retaliation-refusal-accept-asylum-seekers.html

    =================

    CMD needs to be challenged every step of the way, and the MSM’s job is to be part of that.

    Politicians need to ensure this is so, as most of the questions will require answers from the other side of the Channel !

  186. Daniel Hannan ‏@DanHannanMEP

    “The people who warned us against keeping the pound now use precisely the same arguments to warn us against Brexit.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTv7UoK8oJY

    I don’t understand how DH can be such a rational committed eurosceptic(in every sense of that word) and not be a member of UKIP

  190. awk – 18.28

    Mmm. I’m just thinking out loud here, but would a gay black millionaire Labour leader really pull in the votes of the millions of peace-lovers the Labour Party imported expressly to make their mark (possibly the only mark they can make) in the correct box?
    It’s said we can read all about it tomorrow, but his “girlfriend’s” father says he’s never met his daughter’s boyfriend. Looks like Mandelson, Chukka’s puppet master, has lost his touch, or maybe the internal Labour wars will be more bloody and long-lasting than UKIP’s petty brawl. I live in hope of course!

  191. Restrict all public office to those of British born families (and of course those on military or civil service overseas). If Chukka wishes to become a political leader he should do so in the land of his father, Nigeria, or that of his mother, Ireland.

  192. Irishboy
    May 15th, 2015 – 22:2Mmm. I’m just thinking out loud here, but would a gay black millionaire Labour leader really pull in the votes of the millions of peace-lovers the Labour Party imported expressly to make their mark (possibly the only mark they can make) in the correct box?
    For starters, are Labour voters sane? They voted for Blair, Brown and a sizeable number even voted recently for that monster Miliband.

  193. awk, no of course they aren’t! And, in a crowded field, one of the most pernicious aspects of socialism is their manipulation of the natural goodwill of people by their appeals to “fairness” omitting to say that if you in any particular fail to meet their state-demanded altruism, you will be punished by the criminal law, or intimidated or have physical violence meted out to you. No, they’re not sane, but nasty, vindictive, evil, narcissistic little sh*ts. And that we can enjoy (haha) weeks of an election campaign where not a single journalist or politician points out that the socialist system is all about coercion applied with the full force of the state shows how big the battle really is.

  194. EC at 19:50
    UKIP is tearing itself apart due to Farage attempting to emulate his hero, Putin, in the megalomania stakes.
    Hannan is all a bit limp-wristed to me. He is unlikely to leave his comfortable seat for a debatable wilderness. Carswell is the real intellect here, however mistimed his latest intervention might have been. He is the only 19th C-style classic liberal in parliament, though I grant you, classic liberalism isn’t of much appeal to the oiks and the hoi-polloi.
    Thinking of oiks: Why does Farage wear a covert coat to go to the pub in central London? A garment for wearing when setting off for a weekend’s pheasant shooting or salmon fishing, or perhaps a visit to a point-to-point meeting is one thing, but to wear it as Farage has been doing shows him up as a bit of a dickhead.

  195. For anyone who delights in a little schadenfreude Dan Hodge’s article ‘Miliband’s downfall’ in this week’s Spectator is worth a read. Despite its left wing credentials it balances the extraordinary decision to let a Guardian writer vent her spleen at the election result in that once robustly conservative magazine:-

    “The Hungarian teaching assistant and I started crying and a Greek friend outlined a detailed plan for an independent London. The main beef I have with bloody immigrants is that they don’t have a vote.”

    Says it all about Labour and its supporters.

  196. Talking of Labour supporters is Chris Morriss a cuckoo in the nest? Several of his comments here have raised suspicions in that regard.

    His latest pro-Carswell attack on Farage chimes with a number of similar “neutral” comments at the Speccie, all no doubt contrived to stoke the UKIP split story. But to benefit which faction?

    How might 19th Century classic liberals feel about England being swamped with hundreds of thousands of foreigners every year, Chris? I know what Carswell thinks about that, hoi-polloi oik that I am, but it would be interesting to read a 19th Century classic liberal justification for it, instead of a pretence that if the nasty racists would can their “ill advised comments” of “unfortunate tone” it will all go away and everything in the garden will be lovely again.

  197. Irishboy May 15th, 2015 – 23:25

    Simply brilliant. I do hope the lurker read that one.

  198. telemachus at the other place:-

    “And it goes on

    Having destroyed Malfleur and Two Soups he (Colonel Mustard) is after Chris Morris now

    *

    Talking of Labour supporters is Chris Morriss a cuckoo in the nest? Several of his comments here have raised suspicions in that regard.

    His latest pro-Carswell attack on Farage chimes with a number of similar comments contrived to stoke…it would be interesting to read a justification for it, instead of a pretence that if the nasty racists would can their “ill advised comments” of “unfortunate tone” it will all go away and everything in the garden will be lovely again.

    *

    What a piece of work”

  199. Chris Morriss – 08:12

    Nigel’s trademark hat and coat are not quite in the same league as Michael Foot’s Cenotaph duffle coat. They are quite practical outdoor attire for chilly spring election campaigns on the east coast. Four million voters were unconcerned by this. When weather permits, or when indoors, he does actually divest himself of these outer garments to reveal the conventionally suited attire of bog standard Lib/Lab/Con politician, or City gent.

    If you are suggesting that modern day presentation politicians should be compelled to modify their normal attire to “channel” prospective voters in regional constituencies then I’m 100% with you! It would liven up general election campaigns no end. 🙂

    Imagine George Osborne in a hi-viz jacket and safety helmet…
    Oh, no, we don’t have to imagine that. OK, then…

    Eeebygum, lad. Imagine Dave up Noaarth. Cloth cap, baggy trousers, string belt, a ferret in one hand and a pair of whippets on a lead in t’other. OR, if you will, Ed Miliband north of the border clad in a kilt with matching Tam o shanter, ginger wig, and string vest. OR Nick Clegg with a makeover, crossed dressed as Nika in high heels and stockings speaking to the LibDem’s voters.

    Following Vlad’s bare chested equestrian stunt, last night in Salt Lake City USA, the GOP candidate Mitt Romney, 68, stripped to the waist and boxed two rounds with Evander Holyfield at a charity do. Kudos to Mitt for that. (afterwards when Hillary tried to climb in the ring Evander promptly soiled his shorts and legged it)

  200. Colonel Mustard – 09:26

    Keep on truckin’, Colonel.
    They don’t like it up ’em…
    … well that’s not quite right, actually…
    as these days quite a lot of them evidently do 🙂

    eg. with telemachus appearing to be the masochist in chief.

  202. Colonel M at 09:11.
    A bit late getting back to you as I’ve been out walking in upper Lathkill Dale in the Derbyshire Peak District.

    No I’m certainly no Labour troll. In reality I feel disenfranchised as we have three socialist parties, and one where the leader idolises Vlad the impaler!
    I am that mournful and disenchanted thing, a Classic Liberal, someone not seen since Lloyd-George destroyed the old Liberal party during WW1. As such my views are much more in the Carswell camp, rather than Farage’s.
    One thing I can’t understand about Farage, is that he spends all his time opposing immigration from Europe, whereas the current and future danger is the immigration of hordes with their own malevolent agenda to destroy this country. I do think the population of this country is far too high, and I have done my bit by not having produced children, but although Polish drunkards and Romanian beggars are a problem, the problem is trivial compared to the influx of those of a religion and culture incompatible with our society.

  203. Chris Morriss May 16th, 2015 – 12:48

    Thank you for that reassuring clarification.

  204. BTW, I find that I can no longer post on the Speccie site, even through the “Tor” clandestine browser. My post appears, but is taken down within a minute or two.
    Someone in powere on there dislikes me even more than you do Colonel!

  205. Chris Morriss at 12.58

    Are you sure you’ve got the right setting.Disqus seems to have gone to a default setting of “best”instead of “latest”.They have also removed the “edit” feature.

  206. Chris Morriss – 12:48

    I’m not very impressed with Carswell, shouting “fire, fire” as he poured more petrol on the flames with his article in The Times today.
    Wants to have his cake and eat it, that fella!

  207. Chris M
    I too am fearful about importing islamists.
    But for UKIP to shout about islamist immigrants would leave it open to shouts of racist from ignorant lefties.
    I think (hope) they are playing softly softly catchee monkey on this one…

    I am cheered by the current gov resisting the calls to take the criminals trying to get to europe across the med. criminals because they seek to enter europe illegally.

    malaysia and thailand have it right.

  209. Colonel Mustard @ 09:03

    Quite right, Colonel, the short observation does say a lot about the left leaning lot. Perhaps, even potential immigrants from the EU should have a vote, and why not, we are all ‘Europeans’ now, or soon will be. Arghhh

  210. Chris Morriss @ 08:12

    You seem to reading Farage wrong, Chris, without him not only would the UKIP lot have failed to secure the 4mn votes, but the issue of immigration would have been swept under the carpet, too. He appears dictatorial only because he alone amongst the ranks of contemporary politicians has had the courage to beat the drums about the large inflows of newcomers in the shortest time ever which is, when you think about it, the main reason for the problems throughout our society – schooling, housing, safety on the streets, the NHS, the welfare budget …..

    And to blame him for the way he dresses is really a hit below the belt. As EC points out his attire comes as standard in the neck of woods he targets. A Barbour coat and a M&S hat is what Baron favours, too. Btw, have you ever been to East Anglia?

  211. RobertC @ 21:14

    Young Jacob is right, Robert, the EU construct is undemocratic throughout, but nothing will be done about it for turning it democratic would spell an end to federalisation of Europe, the aim of the anointed.

  212. I’ve been out in the sunshine and showers for a few hours. Have Nigel, Douglas & Paddy stopped behaving like Charles & Diana & Burrell. I do hope so because we all know where that sort of public display ends!
    😯

  213. RobertC @ 18:57

    Establishing the supremacy of Parliament and returning to Common Law is what’s needed, Robert, the rest of his demands stems from it. But this is exactly what the EU apparatchiks will resist most.

  214. Baron.
    Yes, I’m sure you are right about the 4mn votes. Without Farage it would have been a lot less, and the immigration issue would have been much lower key. My issue is more personal as I simply don’t think he has what it takes to be a credible national leader. The fact that he is widely despised by the traditional British middle class (those of the middle class that still exist in this increasingly yobbish society) means that he will continue to be tainted as “not quite one of us dear”.

    He wasn’t wearing a traditional waxed-cotton Barbour (which would have been socially acceptable), but a Covert Coat. There was a time in the 80s (if you were in the UK in those days) when it become transiently popular among “Sloane Rangers” for covert coats to be worn in town. A ghastly apparition of course.

  215. I don’t think Farage functions as a potential national leader at all but more as a sort of modern version of Gillray with the bien pensant political elite as his George III. He fills the vacuum created by a tame, bubble dwelling press where the aspiration appears to be to seek accommodation with that elite, often literally.

    His “prints” are his shocking utterings of undeniable but unpalatable truth and his ability to be publicly rude to jumped up and bland Eurobureaucrats. His pint and fag stick two fingers up at the fastidiousness of a feminised society.

    He is, in a humourless, sterile, sanitised country of increasing sanctimony, truly edgy. A god of mischief in the realm of many emperors strutting with tediously repeated new clothes. One only has to think of all the various transactions in the run up to the general election without the sartorial Farage (no open necked shirt and suit for him) breathing through his gills to realise how dull it would all have been. Even the wooden-topped Leanne Wood was transformed into an indignant, bourgeoise Hyacinth Bucket whose window Farage had just broken with his catapult.

    A canny TV producer would give him his own political show, interviewing politicians and showing us more of his scurrilous “prints”.

  217. Chris Morriss – 18:08
    Colonel Mustard – 19:46

    The Colonel is correct. Farage will not be a national leader, sitting atop a tidy hierarchy, with perfectly formed policies and processes, so we don’t have to bother thinking about our future.

    He is a leader, leading us out of a desert.

    Just take the HIV example.

    When we go to a foreign country, we need to have our own health insurance. When we go to another EU country, we need our E111 or plastic equivalent, so any (or most) of our medical care costs can be claimed back from the British Government. Yet when people visit Britain, instead of a similar process occurring, the British people end up paying for everything because the ‘visitors’ do not have insurance and those in the NHS cannot bare the thought of receiving money or filling in paper work to claim it back from other European governments because money grows on the money tree. Very little treatment of EU citizens is paid for by their governments, yet we reimburse them for treating us when ill abroad.

    I have seen posts, reportedly made by those working ‘at the chalk face’, stating that some ‘visitors’ faint in Heathrow, when they have arrived from far away places, and get whisked into hospital faster than we can get through to the doctor’s receptionist, only to find that they have a serious illness. What a surprise!

    With around £250,000 needed for treating some of the serious cases, we are talking about a serious miss allocation of money within a ‘cash strapped’ NHS. We do not want an IHS. It should be an NHS.

    I am pleased that Farage managed to get this discussed. The SNP leader thought it a dreadful attitude, but she didn’t offer to take the load of London’s hospitals and pay for some of these people to be treated in Glasgow! We don’t want them in this country where they can spread their diseases in our towns and cities. They could be treated in their own country using part of our International Aid. It would be much cheaper for us, less risk to us, and help encourage expertise where it is needed most.

    Yes, the Westminster bubble wobbled to the anguish of meeting reality, and it was uncomfortable for some to watch, but unless these subjects are raised and discussed, the Westminster bubble will not even wobble, let alone burst.

  219. Colonel Mustard @ 19:46

    Superb, Colonel, short, but a truly well crafted sketch of the man.

  220. Chris Morriss @ 18:08

    Baron would have voted for the man, Chis, even if he wore a pair of colorful underpants playing the banjo, singing ‘I’m cleaning windows…’ for one and one reason only. He got closest to breaking up the mould of the three political parties that are, in essence, three factional cabals of the same monochromatic, PC infected, rainbow worshipping political establishment. We don’t break it, we go under – slowly, painfully, irrevocably.

  221. Frank P
    May 17th, 2015 – 00:29

    The man at his best, Baron reckons, and he (the poorly educated Slav, the he) ain’t drunk at all, Frank. If the ‘not well organised’ column is the result of his imbibing a cheap Chateau de Plonk, he should do it more often.

    Obama as a door stop? What a thought. The mirror reversal enigma intrigues, you have an explanation?

  225. My late, good friend Lieutentant-Colonel N. usedd to say to me in Manhattan in the 19706 that the contradictions of capitalism were such that eventually our masters would have to require us to purchase consumer goods whether we wwanted to or not.

    Zero Hedge suggests by the following two articles today that we are not that far of:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-16/secret-fed-paper-advocated-carry-tax-all-physical-cash

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-16/cash-ban-calls-continue-german-economist-says-bills-and-coins-obsolete

    Somebody arrest these people before they start to cause real trouble!

  226. “For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens ‘as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone’,” [David Cameron] said [last week].

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-is-too-tolerant-and-should-interfere-more-in-peoples-lives-says-david-cameron-10246517.html

    “It’s often meant we have stood neutral between different values. And that’s helped foster a narrative of extremism and grievance.”

    And just who might those extremists be?

    “The recent speech [October 2014] by UK Prime Minister (PM) David Cameron proposed dealing with “non-violent extremists” as harshly as with ISIS.

    In his vocabulary, “non-violent extremists” are those who challenge the truth of the official narrative of 9/11 or what the UK has claimed about the London 7/7 subway bombings. ”

    http://www.sott.net/article/286832-UK-PM-David-Cameron-thinks-9-11-and-7-7-Truthers-should-be-treated-the-same-as-ISIS

    David Cameron attended the annual Bilderberg Group meeting in June 2013.

    So Herr Cameron is no longer going to leave us alone as long as we obey the law.

    What does he have in mind as an alternative?

    The saying is that “You have nothing to fear, if you have nothing to hide”. It reflects a state of mind which the Prime Minister seems to be minded to root to root out from the population and is believed to be based on George Orwell’s book 1984. It has also been attributed to the Nazi Joseph Goebbels.

    It is good to see Mr. Cameron challenging Newspeak in this way.

    Meanwhile back in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing.: Congress is hours away from renewing the PATRIOT Act and allowing the NSA to continue mass spying on everyone for years.
    Tell them: “End NSA mass spying! Overturn the PATRIOT Act.”

    But hold your horses! The Patriot Act? That’s just defence of the realm, isn’t it?

  227. I see that other Bilderberger, Ed Balls, received the first of what will no doubt be many instalments for services rendered in the form of an £88,000 golden handshake from the taxpayer for, well, for being a good globalist perhaps.

    Next stop?

  230. Baron at 18:08
    I too voted for UKIP, but only on the basis that all the other candidates on the ballot paper were worse!
    But voting for the least worse option isn’t what I want to do, neither is it real democracy.
    I had, like many others, expected a Labour victory with a Labour/SNP coalition running the country. This would of course have been an utter disaster, but might have resulted in the fragmentation of the current Conservative party, with possibly the formation of a radical right-of-centre party that would re-absorb some of the more rational members of UKIP.
    Yes, lots of “possibly” there, and anyway there was a Tory victory. Who knows what the situation will be in five years time, except in one thing: Tomorrow is always likely to be worse than today.

  232. Chris Morriss
    May 17th, 2015 – 13:03
    “Yes, lots of “possibly” there, and anyway there was a Tory victory. Who knows what the situation will be in five years time”

    Chris, judging by the list of aspiring Labour “candidates” for the leadership, in five years’ time we will have another Tory victory.

  234. Have you seen the latest picture of the Lib Dem Parliamentary Party:

    🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁

  237. EC – 15:53
    She must be a V.VIP, with all those personal armed guards.

    It reminds me of the story of when a policeman stopped a speeding chauffeur driven vehicle on an Italian motorway. He said to his colleague, on returning to their police car, ‘I didn’t recognise the VIP, but he was being driven by the Pope.’

  239. “…Palmyra embodies the great ideas we owe to the Greeks and the Romans: openness, generosity to other cultures – and above all the ideal of religious and intellectual freedom and tolerance. ” (ibid.)

    ISIS was established, funded, trained and then let loose by the USA, NATO, Saudi Arabia and smaller sock puppets. They are responsible for this and for for the mass murder of Christians and crowds of helpless men, women and children.

  240. “Seymour Hersh found himself in the middle of an F-5 shitstorm this week after breaking his biggest blockbuster story of the Obama Era, debunking the official heroic White House story about how Navy SEALs took out Osama Bin Laden in a daring, secret nighttime raid in the heart of Pakistan.

    According to Hersh’s account, OBL was given up by one of his Pakistani ISI prison wardens—our Pakistaini allies had been holding him captive since 2006, with backing from our Saudi allies, to use for leverage. ..”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-17/ladogs-redux-how-press-tried-discredit-seymour-hersh%E2%80%99s-last-bombshell-report

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