The Coffee House Wall – 11th/17th November

Posted on November 12, 2013

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213 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 11th/17th November”

  3. Ostrich (occasionally) November 11th, 2013 – 23:44

    Follow Baron’s link above, there you can hear both the Flemish and the French pronunciation.

  4. Some chap was on the BBC News this morning talking about placing cameras on sea birds (I think Gannets) I was prepared to listen with interest (we spend a small fortune on bird feed) and then he lost me, more importantly he lost my beloved.

    This benighted fool said that when the bird dived it entered the water at a speed of 100 kilometres, my love immediately asked “how fast is that” my reply, a little over 62 miles per hour, her reply, a question, why didn’t he say so?

    This is just one of my pet hates, we increasingly hear of length, capacity, weight and temperature expressed in foreign usage, why?

    We have a local hero somewhere here ‘up north) I can’t quite remember where but this chap goes around altering town signs showing distances to local facilities Toilets Library etcetera from metres to yards, I think it is the same chap who adds correct or deletes wrongly place apostrophise.

  6. Frank P 12th, – 00:28

    “Steady on shipmate the use of initials only can lead to some confusion:”

    Oops! So it can. These days nobody seems to be able to keep a good acronym exclusively to themselves. ‘way back in the day, in Northern Ireland, there was such a limited amount of sport for BBC NI to report that they would include the most insignificant sports and leagues. ‘FP’ meant ‘Former Pupils’. 🙂

  7. I don’t want to flog a dead horse, but I wonder how many of our vibrant ethnic community were at the funeral of the old airman with no relatives.
    The fact that hundreds turned up to see him off gives a glimpse of the real country we live in when given a chance to show themselves .
    However much it is despised by our suposedly betters.
    I suspect a lot of sneering went on in islington at all these normal people showing respect to the old man.

  11. Five posters-I guess you need a dose of Fergus.
    But not Fergus the poet.
    Fergus the political analyst.
    Now those of you who were mesmerised by the Guildhall speech may have noted that amongst other things Cameron appointed Baroness Morris of Bolton to be trade envoy to Jordon and the Palestinian territories.
    So just what are we going to sell the rich palestinians.
    Not I fear a Jaguar or Bentley.
    Perhaps a JCB or two to have a go at the wall?
    Or a missile or two from BAE Systems to lob across the wall.
    I actually thought the point of the Guildhall speech was to set the agenda on the economy, not to over promote daughters of our declining Northern Towns.

  12. So that did not excite the juices-so try this:-

    A foreign sex-offender has won the right to damages because he was held in custody too long following unsuccessful attempts to deport him.

    Jumaa Kater Saleh, 25, from Sudan, was detained for two years, pending deportation, after completing a four-year sentence.

    He was convicted after being part of a group of five men who lured under-age girls to a house for sex.

    The Court of Appeal ruled that eight months of his detention was unlawful.

    The judges decided he was entitled to compensation as a result of Home Office administrative delays before it was decided that he could not be deported on human rights grounds.

    The court ruled: “His past criminal offending, of itself, cannot be any justification for implementing or extending his time in immigration detention”.

    The judges said the administrative delays were unaccounted for – “the lack of any explanation makes difficult to hold that the period of detention was reasonable”.

  13. Baron
    November 12th, 2013 – 17:28

    Priceless:

    “Firoozeh Bazrafkan is frightened of nothing…..

    When I asked what she thought of the Danish legal system, I did not receive a long lecture on freedom of expression.

    ‘I think it’s fucked,’ she said.”

    What about the English legal system?

  14. All the Scandinavian country’s are fucked.
    Because they have had free and easy left wing politics for so long they can’t face the truth about what those policy’s have led to.
    They all have Muslim problems that they have no idea how to solve.
    Being nice and reasonable to people who take advantage of them has led them up a blind alley.
    They are destroying their countries and cultures.
    They are double fucked.

  15. What is going on in the UK Press today? Absolute pandemonium.

    Last week’s attack by Anna Soubry was just like Ken Clarke’s famous Sunday – planned.

    But CCHQ shill David Blackburn is pretending it was planned by her – not by Lynton Crosby and the back-office team. Oh no!

    Little Blackburn’s job today is to limit the fall-out Soubry has unleashed on the Tory party.

    But none of his readers believe him.

    Here is his protect-the-main-Tory-party-at-least damage limitation piece:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/11/anna-soubrys-attack-on-nigel-farage-was-planned/

    Lyton Crosby believes that if Farage, as the figurehead, gets done in, Crosby has won.

    And that attack by Soubry was co-ordinated with CCHQ (as was Ken Clarke’s infamous Sunday before the council elections) to the point where she was supposed to start the sparks on Question Time (nice touch to make it a woman attacking Farage) and then in would come the Mail, Telegraph and Spectator with ‘petrol to the fire’ pieces saying, as The Spectator did in this headline: ‘Is Nigel Farage losing his touch?’

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/11/is-nigel-farage-losing-his-touch/

    And Farage would duly go down in flames.

    But it didn’t work, did it?

    Again and again these attacks come in.

    Each one diluting the effect of the previous one.

    The public have seen it all before.

    All lies.

    Politician lies followed by up placemen journalist lies.

    And each attack on Farage is read by the public as an attack on them.

    It reminds them of the thought police.

    ‘That could be me,’ they think. Being lynched for having an opinion.

    That’s what Lynton Crosby – who destroyed the Australian version of UKIP – cannot understand.

    Crosby is the the sci-fi villain whose laser gun has stopped working.

    It has all been seen and heard before.

    It is desperate, desperate lying and smearing.

    But the work cannot stop at Conservative HQ. They can’t let Farage come off better.

    So today Lytnon Crosby demands and The Spectator’s Alex Wickham bends over to write this garbage: ‘How paranoia and bitter infighting are tearing Ukip apart’

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/11/how-paranoia-and-bitter-infighting-are-tearing-ukip-apart/

    Again, it misses the point.

    Among UKIP voters, some people like Nigel Farage. Some people don’t.

    Those that don’t like him do not care.

    They do not care what smears or lies are told anymore.

    They will vote for him no matter what.

    What is the point in telling UKIP voters their candidates are not as pure as the driven snow?

    Like FibLabCon are?

    Like Keith Vaz? Like David Cameron? Like Boris Johnson?

    CCHQ and their journalist shills are so sick, twisted and distorted they can’t see the UK has gone beyond that.

    Little David Blackburn, Sebastian Payne and Alex Wickham can thcweam and thcweam and thcweam all they like.

    It isn’t going to work anymore.

  16. JB 20:29 – Norway less so thean the others , I’d say. It’s not part of the EU and it does make those wishing to settle there learn Norwegian.

  17. Frank Sutton
    November 12th, 2013 – 20:50

    Frank, I spend a lot of time in Norway and they have major problems with Muslims.
    A year ago I was there when a Muslim group were demanding for Muslims to control part of Oslo.
    Their claim was that Norwegians had no More right to Norway than Muslims, and since this area of Oslo was mainly muslim it was theirs.
    This was backed up by a threat of ultimate violence.
    I was with a doctor in the north of Norway and to my surprise she told me she was responsible for a Muslim community not far from my hotel, I had no idea it was there.
    They had housed all these Muslims in holiday cabins around a lake.
    Very nice.
    Not to the Muslims,they wanted proper houses and told her . You are a rich country, you should give us these things.
    Honour killing takes place regularly in Norway .
    I was there a few weeks ago and things just get steadily worse.
    All of this was why the massacre on the island took place.
    The Norwegian guy I was working with said to me all his life he had believed in left wing politics, but he was being forced to move to the right because of the Muslim problem

  18. Muslim Rape Wave in Sweden

    By Fjordman

    Swedish girls Malin and Amanda were on their way to a party on New Year’s Eve when they were assaulted, raped and beaten half to death by four Somali immigrants. Sweden’s largest newspaper has presented the perpetrators as “two men from Sweden, one from Finland and one from Somalia”, a testimony as to how bad the informal censorship is in stories related to immigration in Sweden. Similar incidents are reported with shocking frequency, to the point where some observers fear that law and order is completely breaking down in the country. The number of rape charges in Sweden has tripled in just above twenty years. Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six – 6 – times as common today as they were a generation ago. Most other kinds of violent crime have rapidly increased, too. Instability is spreading to most urban and suburban areas.

  19. The newspaper has previously revealed that Norway loses 4.1 million kroner ($713,740.30) for each non-western immigrant coming into the country and that immigration has cost 70 billion kroner ($12,185,810,000) in seven years. On Wednesday the newspaper determined that the government spends 2 million kroner ($348,110) per newly arrived non-Western immigrant they get to work or study.
    And what is the Norwegian government getting for all its money?
    Nevertheless, according to figures from Statistics Norway (SSB) fewer and fewer start work or studies. Only half of the participants who completed the program in 2010 are doing something useful after two years of training in Norwegian, social studies and other subjects.

  20. OSLO, Norway — It’s been almost a month since innocent Norwegians were killed by a lunatic obsessed with the threat of Islam.
    But the terrible tragedy has not stopped civil debate in Norway over the impact of Muslim immigration.
    Several weeks before the massacre in Norway, CBN News travelled to Oslo to investigate reports that that nation’s experiment with Muslim immigration and multiculturalism had gone terribly wrong, that Muslim radicalism was growing along with violence and intimidation against non-Muslims.

  23. John birch 12th, – 21:38

    My Norwegian colleagues say much the same…mind, they mostly live in the Philippines, Thailand or Brasil.

  24. Baron’s view thsat Alex Jones mouths the same old same old strikes me as remarkably complacent. He is, and has been for many years, an important source of information on what are masters are up to that is becoming increasingly ignored by the state media.

    Take for example the report on the deployment of wireless spy grids and ubiquitous bio metric scanning dealt with on November 11th. Nothing to see here, Baron – move along, move along.

  27. I am currently reading the eighth book in the series of Allan Mallinson’s ‘Mathew Hervey, books, I received the last five of the then total of eleven as a Christmas present last year.

    They are so good that I ration myself rather than reading one after the other.

    Last night Hervey was describing the food served at a formal dinner and at the sweat course he mentioned among other things ‘plates of croquembouche and also Nesselrode Pudding’ does anyone hear have any knowledge as to what these two are?

  28. Telegraph: “Mr Blunkett said: “We have got to change the behaviour and the culture of the incoming Roma community – because there’s going to be an explosion otherwise.”

    I am quite happy for the Roma to continue their traditional behaviour, as long as it is no where near where I live. Not in our country would be ideal and I expect the rest of the world would come to a consensus of them going back to where the Roma originated.

    Though, if it has to happen anywhere in this country, it does give me some satisfaction when it happens in Labour constituencies, and Nick Clegg’s!

    Why, you ask?

    Because he is Nick Clegg!

    And I did think that changing ethnic behaviour to be more acceptable to our own culture was wacist. But no! Again, from the Telegraph:

    Indigenous locals are entitled to “grumble” about the influx of migrants, Mr Blunkett said but must not “stir up hate”.

    Mr Blunkett needs to be told what irony is!

  30. Ostrich (occasionally) November 13th, 2013 – 09:36

    “Hope everything went well at LGI yesterday. ;-)”

    Thank you it did but what a wait, arrived at 11:30am departed 5:15pm.
    Only five removed this time, four on the back and one on the back of the right hand.

  32. I’ve been feeding my inner Marxist over at ‘Spiked’, the left wing blog where the quality of writing is often excellent and the ideas could have been pinched straight from Edmund Burke’s “Reflections…”. Partcular recommendations include:-

    “The machinery of British government is sclerotic: rigid, unresponsive and unable to adapt. It has the agility and dynamism of a beached whale. The country needs infrastructure and economic savings and a culture that sets the individual free. The government occasionally promises all three but fails to deliver…”

    And who would disagree wiith that?

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/why_cant_the_government_get_things_done/14261#.UoJrteL6Ras

    Why the zombie Tory party doesn’t represent Tories or anyone else, anymore.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/13303#.UoLCHuL6Ras

    The rise of anti-semitism.
    “It’s the seventy-fifth anniversary of Kristallnacht, the name given to the violent wave of destruction against German Jews on 9/10 November 1938 which unleashed a chain of events that would eventually culminate in the Final Solution of the Nazi regime…”

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/kristallnacht_anti_semitism_then_and_now/14277#.UoK6bOL6Ras

    I’d already put these up on last week’s Wall, before realising that Peter had started a new Wall on Monday. I’ll blame Ed Davey, after all everyone else does. He must be putting something in the water…

  35. Ten lies about Mrs Thatcher

    She was twice winner of Wimbledon.
    She had webbed feet and aquatic gills.
    Her favourite band was Anthrax.
    She was allergic to cheese.
    She was a recurring extra in Eastenders.
    She had the worlds largest collection of Elvis memorabilia.
    She was from Croydon.
    She could bend spoons with the power of her mind.
    She was a critical member of the Apollo 12 mission.
    She kept four goats at Number 10 Downing Street.
    She ate her own young, without seasoning.

    H/T How to be a complete Bastard

    http://howtobeacompletebastard.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/ten-lies-about-mrs-thatcher.html

  37. Ten lies about Ralph Miliband

    1. He had a black moustache.
    2. He owned an Airedale dog.
    3. He played the spoons, his party piece being The Internationale.
    4. He once squeezed a grapefruit under his foreskin at one of his riotous Marxist parties.
    5. He was partial to eating doner kebabs on his way home and once spilt one down his shirt.
    6. He once stood in for Jimmy Saville on Top of the Pops and ‘goosed’ a young Harriet Harman.
    7. He shot Jeremy Thorpe’s Great Dane dog, Rinka, on Dartmoor one dark and stormy night.
    8. During ‘les evenements’ in 1968, he spray-painted himself blue and ran round the North Circular stark naked.
    9. He was David Cameron’s ‘PPE’ tutor at Oxford.
    10. He was one of those clowns who plunged off the end of Brighton Pier in a home-made flying machine.

    ps Noa, Glad you’re a fellow Spiked fan. Not sure there’s anywhere left to go.

  38. “Nightmarish creatures now stalk the land. The funk of forty thousand progressive policies fills the air. The undead hordes of welfare-claimants wander listlessly in our streets. The blood-suckers of the bureaucratic state drain us of opportunity and vitality…”

    Russell Taylor’s excellent piece on Equality over on Bogpaper.

  39. Andy Car Park – I didn’t know that blowing Rinka away was a lie.
    Who’s next?
    Churchill, Stalin, Chamberlain? I’m just finishing AJP Taylor’s ‘Origins of WW2′, where it’s to be remarked that the truth is even stranger than the fiction we were all brought up to believe.
    One is inclined to summarise the 20th and 21st centuries as a period when Britain had and still has, the worst politicians in the world; self serving poltroons, almost every man jack of ’em.

  41. Frank P-thank you for the link to Mr Boot’s post, I haven’t visited there for a while. I liken the experience to stepping into a cold but invigourating shower after enduring the summer heat of the Rhub al Khali.
    “It goes without saying that civil-rights fanatics immediately espied a racial bias in the groups whose members were stopped and frisked. Their ensuing indignation was predictably not attenuated by the demonstrable fact that those groups accounted for 90 percent of the crime rate…”

    Much like the Equality Commission in fact, whos recent study shows, that our bigoted, racist country coppers are more likely to stop and search blacks than their urbane, urban colleagues.
    Hasn’t David Cameron told them they need to get with the programme yet?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2501912/Rural-police-racist-Study-stop-search-powers-finds-black-people-12-times-likely-stopped.html

  42. Noa

    Seems we’re all part of the game that make it all possible: the human condition.

    Enjoy the bits that are enjoyable – fuck the rest. We haven’t enough time left to even begin to ameliorate it and it seems that those coming behind us are even less equipped to avoid what now seems inevitable. Counsel of despair? ‘Nah – it’s called ‘facing up to reality.’

    ‘Don’ wur-rry – be ‘appy!’ as my old adversaries from ‘Jungle W11’ used to advise me, during my ill-spent youth pissing agin the winds of change. A bit late to heed them now, but they had a point.

  43. … thinking back, most of the villains I managed to bang up in those days, were possessed of more wit, wisdom and philosophical qualities in their crooked little fingers, than the avaricious, twisted, ruthless bastards, who now occupy the corridors of power, had in their whole corrupt carcasses. And we allow them make the laws (and break them with impunity), it seems. Have to say the ‘criminal classes’ were in the main better company to hang out with, too, whilst ‘seeking information’. 🙂

  44. Ten lies about David Cameron

    1. He is a true tax cutting conservative
    2. He loves animals, especially dogs and bi-polar bears.
    3. When he gives his word he honours it.
    4. He is a poor, hard-working, working class lad
    5. He stands by his friends in their time of trouble.
    6. He opposes the growth of the Big Brother state
    7. He is a confirmed Euro sceptic who wants to leave.
    8. He vehemently opposes mass immigration into the UK.
    9. He will reform the Justice system to deter the unceasing advance of crime.
    10. He is rebuilding the UK’s broken finances and reducing the National Debt.
    11. He can be trusted not to break the tables in Oxford restaurants.
    12. He loves cats.

  45. Frank P
    It’s cliche time!
    Every action as Newton predicated, has its equal and opposite reaction and consequently whatever will be, will be.
    Having stopped reproducing ourselves, it was inevitable that the UK’s unskilled labour bank would need to be re-stocked from somewhere. The newly independent Indian sub-continent intially, latterly augmented by the post Iron Curtain desperates and desperados.
    Of course the politicians didn’t count on them staying; indeed coming over via the new airbridges in ever-increasing numbers, and bringing their little pecadillos, like jihadism and polygamy with them. Still, as long as the tax base remained resiiliant and money was no object, that was of no matter. These were, and are, voters! Swaying them in the marginals, providing opportunities for equality, fairness and solidarity with the European ‘colleagues’ of the EU.
    So, as was once asked of George Best, where did it all go wrong?
    It may happen slowly, but sooner or later, the equal and opposite reaction, or the law of unintended conseqences kicks in.
    In our settled stable society, things start to go wrong. The lights go out. The nurse gives you an overdose, prescribed by the non English speaking or writing doctor. Your kids can’t get jobs, or homes of their own, or any help. Forget living off your pension!
    Still, you’ll notice that you’re still paying tax and it’s supporting lots of swarthy, non-english speaking large families liviing in your ex-neighbours’ rented out houses.
    As the chickens come home to roost Straw and Blunkett, two of the Labour bastards who were responsible for rapidly accelerating, if not initiating the problem, squak their faux apologies from the future battlefields they themselves have created.
    It’s all on cue, no doubt, conceived by Labour’s spin doctors to whitewash Miliband and co and distance them from Blair’s old guard before 2015 and the inevitable Labour return. Straw and Blunkett are of course expendable, spent rounds in the ideological war that never was. Won by Labour, victory to the Left long ago conceded by the Tories and sustained by a flabby, pink lipped, avaricious Cameron.

    Still, it’s an enjoyable absurdity observe the blind man who could see no upward limit to immigration is now concerned that one set of immigrants is getting ready to see off another.
    I. for one, hope that Rumanian gypsies steal his dog and the sharia patrols ‘confiscate’ the Christmas gin from his Morrison’s shopping bag.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3265219.stm

  46. A scorpion tattoo on the shoulder, hm?

    Is that supposed to protect one when bending over to pick up the soap in the shower?

    Or when accompanying matelots on a search for the golden rivet?

  47. Noa 13th, – 16:06

    “is now concerned that one set of immigrants is getting ready to see off another”

    This is supposed to be a problem? “Constable, start up the road sweeper.”

  48. Hello Ostrich (o). I’ve been meaning to ask, why are you only the Ostricch ‘occasionally’?

    It’s no problem for me, either!
    I described the situation as ‘an enjoyable absurdity’, Blunkett is the hand wringing moaner who says he’s worried about the ‘problem’ he created in the first place.
    Of course if the local whites were out warning the Bucharest pikeys off Plod would be banging ’em up faster than you could say Stephen Yaxley-Lennon Tommy Robinson Andrew McMaster Paul Harris.

    I’d hate to see good gin wasted though, even if it’s ‘Gordons’!

  49. A fine example of the right hand not knowing what the left is up to, as the head of the as yet unabolished quango Equality Commission supports the Court of Appeal in overturning the government’s decision to close the Independent Living Fund. The court found there was insufficient evidence of compliance with the public sector equality duty.

    I refer to the link on non achieving government at my earlier post at 11.46am. The sum result of millions of pounds and tens of thousands of manhours of well intentioned effort is nowt. Due to the subjective booby traps on government action placed in Labour’s abominable ‘equality’ legislation.

    http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/news/2013/november/commission-welcomes-court-of-appeal-decision-overturning-the-abolition-of-the-independent-living-fun/

  51. So Labour go into anti-Neather mode.

    Out come Blunkett and Straw. ‘We didn’t mean it. Get tough on it.’

    Pull the other one.

    And Benedict Brogan is telling readers of The Shariagraph that the economy is booming.

    None of them are believed.

    What’s interesting now – reading the comments on Blunkett and Straw – is that I think many of those voters who were asleep have woken up, but of course Straw, Blunkett, Heseltine, the Common Purposers and globalists are prepared for this moment.

    They knew there would be an awakening and this is where they hope the breeding programme and open borders will save the project.

    Plus, as Noa refers to, all the legislative booby trapping.

    The only answer I see to the small print quicksand they’ve written into law is secession from the EU – the quicker to get all that legislation in the shredder.

    And secession from Soctland to remove the block Labour vote that would constipate any efforts to dump all that smelly legislation.

    A double secession would act as a political laxative.

    Much of the post-war doo-doo would be flushed.

    But they thought all this through, which is why the EU is a straitjacket, why they started the race replacement programme, why they booby trapped the legislation and why they have so many placemen and placewomen earning fortunes on the public payroll.

    And why the bogus postal votes on the electoral register never get investigated.

    Which smoke and which mirror do you try to take out first.

    They thought it through.

    Apart from Scotland going.

    Go on Scotland. Give the UK the best present ever.

  53. Ostrich (occasionally) November 13th, 2013 – 17:07

    “A scorpion tattoo on the shoulder, hm?”

    Word has it that this is the sign by which one bugger can tell another bugger that he (the scorpion tattooed) has HIV.

    But then David Super-Twat Dimbleby could hardly be expected to know such trivia.

    Or could he?

  54. Noa November 13th, 2013 – 17:24

    “I’d hate to see good gin wasted though, even if it’s ‘Gordons’!”

    Noa life is too short to drink the cheaper gin, at the very least you and yours should drink Bombay Sapphire or better still Tanqueray and keep the Gordon’s and the Booth’s for the nosey neighbours.

  55. David Ossitt

    I confess I’m a cognac fan myself, preferring Courvoisier or Remy Martin at a pinch-or glug. Whisky I avoid, following an unpleasent experience at a tender age.

    I’m happy to leave Gordon’s gin to him and his bag carrier Blunkett, though Mrs N likes a drop of Noa’s Old Dirigible Sloe Gin when the nights gets a bit frosty and the chilblains are barking!

  56. A previous link to a short clip where a female student asked the question ‘What makes America Great’ was excellent, an old friend now tells me that it was from the film Newsroom where Jeff Daniels won an Emmy.

  57. Noa November 13th, 2013 – 19:45

    “I confess I’m a cognac fan myself, preferring Courvoisier or Remy Martin”

    As was I, until I re-found Armagnac, I am now enjoying the experience of sampling as many of these as I can, heresy I know but I; on occasion mix 50/50 with Bénédictine DOM a sheer joy.

  59. Just collected my wife at the station.
    On the train from London she heard this black woman ranting about an Indian woman
    She said the trouble with these Indians is they think their white. !!!!!!

  61. From AD and worth reproducing in full:

    DRIVE-BY
    Scandal? What Scandal?

    Bob: “Did you hear about the Obama administration scandal?

    Jim: “You mean the Mexican gun running?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “You mean SEAL Team 6?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “You mean the State Dept. lying about Benghazi?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “You mean voter fraud?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “You mean the military not getting their votes counted?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “You mean that 3 or 4 of Obama’s GAY friends were mysteriously MURDERED when they came forward with claims he was gay too?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything else?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “You mean the drones in our own country without the benefit of the law?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million and right after it declared bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “You mean the president arming the Muslim Brotherhood?”

    Bob: “No the other one:.

    Jim: “The IRS targeting conservatives?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “The DOJ spying on the press?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “Sebelius shaking down health insurance executives?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “Giving SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and 3 months later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “The president’s ordering the release of nearly 10,000 illegal immigrants from jails and prisons, and falsely blaming the sequester?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “The president’s threat to impose gun control by Executive Order in order to bypass Congress?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “The president’s repeated violation of the law requiring him to submit a budget no later than the first Monday in February?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “The 2012 vote where 115% of all registered voters in some counties voted 100% for Obama?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “The president’s unconstitutional recess appointments in an attempt to circumvent the Senate’s advise-and-consent role?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “The State Department interfering with an Inspector General investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “Clinton, the IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?”

    Bob: “No, the other one.”

    Jim: “I give up! … Oh wait, I think I got it! You mean that 65 million low-information voters who don’t pay taxes and get free stuff from taxpayers and stuck us again with the most pandering, corrupt administration in American history?

    Bob: “THAT’S THE ONE!”

    [Via the Homechick Email circuit ]

    gerardvanderleun : November 12, 13 |

  64. EC, a fascinating clip.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWHPJ8hO-ZM

    It pinpoints exactly the problem: treachery.

    Traitors.

    Until the public understand that it was the public leaders who did all this: LibLabCon, multi-national boards and so on then there is no point in hoping for change.

    When the character says: ‘to speak’, I winced again.

    The British public have overlooked that as well.

    Not only have they failed to recognise the treachery of their masters, they have failed to recognise the stealth attacks on free speech.

    It is done through ‘hate crime’ laws, Tommy Robinson-style lockings up and so on.

    Speak with what?

    When it comes to putting carts before horses and so on, the right to free speech comes top of the list of things the UK does not have and will need if it is ever to reverse what has happened.

    Speak? They took that right away years ago. There are many things no longer allowed in political manifestos because of the Race Relations Act and so on.

    I always thought it rather telling that Melanie Phillips wrote a play (staged in London) the title of which was ‘Traitors’.

    I never saw the play. I believe it is about Israel.

    But that title tells you all you need to know about so much of the world’s wrongdoing – you can ask how it happened.

    And so often the answer is: it could never have happened without the traitors.

    It could only have happened because of them.

    Until people understand the seriousness of that label and that they place it on LibLabCon and all the twisted, selfish businessmen who engineered all this – it is poinltess to hope it will change.

  65. Malfleur @ 09:04

    Listen, my sparring partner, you should have hesitated, just abit, for Baron doesn’t have over three hours to listen to this chap Jones, sorry.

  66. The DT sub-editors shovelling on the irony tonight!

    The headline on Oborne’s latest reads: “Immigration: Britain’s doors are wide open, and we can’t even talk about it”

    And yes, all together now, comments are not allowed!! Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho!

    And why hasn’t Blunkett hoisted by his own petard for all that disgraceful hate-speech against the vulnerable Roma?

    And did Jack “I’m the Home Secretary who legislated against children in care making complaints even if they were being abused, and whose brother was coincidentally charged with child sex abuse” Straw think we wouldn’t notice that in his pathetic mea culpa about immigration, he confined the issue to Eastern European immigrants and would that have anything to do with trying not to adversely affect the envelope stuffing voting habits of his diverse vibrant constituency from which he is retiring? I note, in his stead, Labour’s new candidate, chosen after exhaustive trawling of all available talent and respecting every last detail of their equality and diversity policy, the rigorous, transparent and open a selection process has thrown up . . . . yes you’re there before me, Jack Straw’s son!! Perhaps his successful rehabilitation from drug conviction was what made him the sheep among so many goats.

    Mind you, I also noticed that Mr Straw (Senior) wasn’t reported today as having said “Inshallah” once, an expletive which once peppered his every sentence.

  67. I was on the border ofsomething
    Which has no certain name…
    A drowsy summons,
    A slipping away from myself…

    Already I stand at the threshold to something,
    The lot of all, but at a varying price…
    On this ship,there is a cabin for me
    And wind in the sails-and the dread moment
    Of the parting with my native land.

    Anna Akhmatova [1942]
    [Translated;Mother Thekla]
    Set to music by John Tavener.

  68. Noa, @11:46am

    Re Spiked Kristallnacht – 75 years

    @netanyahu PM of Israel(‏@IsraeliPM) 10 Nov

    “PM: 75 years after Kristallnacht we still witness the phenomenon of swastikas & Nazi salutes in the Palestinian Auth. This is a direct result of the wild incitement against the State of Israel. This is not the way to achieve peace.”

    pic.twitter.com/4MxEFzk6cC

    pic.twitter.com/td36eIESoB

    Grand Mufti, old habits ! etc.

  70. David Ossitt 13th, – 19:24

    “But then David Super-Twat Dimbleby could hardly be expected to know such trivia.
    Or could he?”

    I reckon he’s been stitched up by his crew…wonder what he did to piss them off?

  73. John birch November 13th, 2013 – 20:44

    “She said the trouble with these Indians is they think their white. !!!!!!”

    But they are definitely not black.

  74. Ostrich (occasionally) November 13th, 2013 – 22:46

    “I reckon he’s been stitched up by his crew…wonder what he did to piss them off?”

    I suppose just being the prime tw*t that he is would be enough.

  75. Ostritch (22:46)

    It’s pre-series blurb for yet another fee-payers pension contribution for the dynasty. What’s the betting Paxo gets another one, too, ere long?

  77. PfM – I have an article I would like to offer but seem to have lost your e-mail contact. Could you send it to my e-mail address (which you will have access to as co-ordinator I guess)

  80. David Ossitt
    I hope this finds you as you awake to a cold November day

    c’est bien d’avoir l’impossible dans sa vie
    car on ne peut pas le perdre
    et dès la première vision
    au tournant de la route
    de l’île entourée des fragments excessifs
    comme dans un tableau de Leonardo
    ou de Patinir
    j’ai su être de surcroît
    celle qui est là

    “It is good to have the impossible in one’s life
    because it cannot be lost”

    So what do we make of this?

    ‘A retired British man is facing trial in Uganda after images of him having sex with another man were published in a newspaper.’

  82. Noa 13th, – 17:24

    “Hello Ostrich (o). I’ve been meaning to ask, why are you only the Ostricch ‘occasionally’?”

    Those are the times when the ridiculous world/government/EU/add any more you can think of, pisses me off so much that I shut it out by sticking my head in the sand.
    But, taking heed of Frank P’s warning that I was leaving my a*se exposed, I now try to limit those occasions.

  83. The Washington Times is waking up to the reports of civilian journalists:

    “What in the world is happening to senior military officers under the Obama administration?

    It seems that every week since President Obama took office in 2009, we’ve been hearing that another top leader has been summarily fired, despite his decades of loyal service and valuable experience in protecting the nation. Statistically speaking, it’s actually closer to one every 8.8 days, a staggering 200 military brass shown the door in less than five years.”

    Read on…

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/12/gordon-transforming-the-us-military/

    Now, about the armed forces of the United Kingdom…

  84. Ostrich(o) thank you for the (rivetting;-)) explanation. I had surmised something on those lines but then, assumptions generallly make an ass out of the assumer!

  88. Malfleur – 09:56

    “Immigration: Britain’s doors are wide open, and we can’t even talk about it”

    Not so much can’t talk about it, but won’t. Mass immigration is diverse, vibrant and good for us!
    See Peter Hitchens BBC QuestionTime 47 minutes in.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03flbwl/Question_Time_24_10_2013/
    Of course he’s preaching to the converted here of course.

    And as has been more widely remarked, EU immigration has become the code for the Indian sub-continental elephant in the room.

  90. A brilliant post today by the Sultan

    “A clash of civilizations is approaching driven by a variety of factors, including the collapse of European, American and Russian world power and the demographic strength of the Muslim world…”

    – See more at: http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/the-myth-of-islamic-extremism.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+FromNyToIsraelSultanRevealsTheStoriesBehindTheNews+(from+NY+to+Israel+Sultan+Reveals+The+Stories+Behind+the+News)#sthash.UFbWEA4J.dpuf

  92. Noa 10:25 – No. The sub-continent of India is not involved in this. By far, far, far, the greater number is Hindu and they don’t tolerate islamic nonsense. In fact, the islamics in India, in my experience, are well behaved and integrated. Also, let us not forget, they are leavened with an immense population of Sikhs. The muslims don’t stand much of a chance of creating mayhem in in India, and the Indian government would know how to take care of then if they did. The Indians aren’t bleeding hearts.

    The problem is, as it has been for thousands of years, the middle east primitives and their pervy prophet. If ony Jimmy Savile had thought of moving to India, he would be alive and thriving today.

  93. Noa 12:28 – ““A clash of civilizations is approaching driven by a variety of factors, including the collapse of European, American and Russian world power and the demographic strength of the Muslim world…”

    There is no clash of civilisation. There is a clash between civilisations and tens of millions of ignorant primitives. High up on the evolutionary scale, muzzies are not. They are the rejects of well-ordered societies.

    Correction to above, “If only jimmy savile had thought of moving to a muslim country” I had intended to say “he would be alive and thriving today.” They seem to be the only society that has as one of its tenets, the rape of little girls.

  94. In the past year there have been 480 inter-communal riots and disturbances between Muslims and Hindus and many thousands have been injured and hundreds killed.

    Don’t forget that the Indian Army, mostly Hindus, killed at least 1000 men, women and children in the Golden Temple when they besieged it. Over 10,000 Sikhs dies in Punjab that year.

    Intercommunal violence is endemic in India.

    India is a third world country. 650 million people have to do their business in the streets because the state can build a bomb and send a rocket to Mars but can’t provide the basics for its own people.

    Why would we want rural Indians here if we don’t want rural Bangladeshis and Pakistanis?

  95. Noa – I think Marine le Pen and Geert Wilders are the agents for change, especially if the ballast of the huge popular following of Nigel Farage allies itself with them. The people of Europe, save the self-righteous far left, are longing for someone with the ballast that Nigel brings with him.

    In fact, I wouldn’t mind — strange thought … glancing strange thought … if those three countries formed one country or a binding alliance or something, temporarily, and acted as one voice. With this weight, it would have military power and an authoritative voice. Germany, always up for a fight, might join in this temporary arrangment. Norway, too.

  97. Verity, you always ignore the facts based on your narrow experience. 680 million people there have to poo in the streets and their are hundreds of inter-communal riots every year. That you have not seen this does not mean it is not the truth.

  98. P from M — The ones who don’t have loos poo in the fields and behind hedgerows, etc. I am not saying that this is an pleasant state of affairs, but I have never seen anyone shitting in the open. Elephants, yes. Camels, yes. People, no.

    In addition, how up to date are your statistics on street pooers?

  99. Verity.

    I refer to the Indian sub continent advisedly.
    Indians, Sri Lankans, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, muslims, hindus and buddists, all obtained their independence in 1948.
    Why should any of them, or their families, whether skilled or illiterate, then have any right or claim to reside or live in Britain, except to work and then leave, when their contracts are completed?
    As for the Ugandan indians, as their native governments showed no responsibility for them, why then did the UK consider it had? Their arrival here simply primed the pump of the mass migration which is now eroding the foundations of Britain.
    A simple search on Google will reveal to you that attacks on their Christian populations are made by all these nations and religious groups.
    Your perspective of ‘muslims bad, sikhs, buddists and hindus good’, is simply ludicrous when the local primary school, with 90% of its pupils of ISC origin, is a battleground for displaced kashmiri, bangadeshi and siri lankan ethnic and religious hatreds.

  101. OK P from M – I accept, mas o menus, your figures, but those figures will have diminished between surveys and the finished report. The Indians and the Chinese are among the best brains in the world, and nothing stands still in India.

  104. Verity

    “…but those figures will have diminished between surveys and the finished report.”

    Indeed, by definition any such set of collated statistics will be wrong! They are a picture in time. The real question is whether the ever increasing number of poo-ers has been:-
    -reduced by the arrival of their UK visas,
    -exceeded by the number of WCs being connected to a sewage system.

  105. The Le Pen/Wilders alliance is a significant event for European nationalism. It will be seen as a major threat by the socialist Europhiles, who, as has alredy been reported here,
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4036/eu-intolerant-citizens
    are already trying to make such ‘unreasonable’ behaviour unlawful. We have also witnessed the pogrom in Greece, where Golden Dawn’s handcuffed MPs were arrested and paraded in front of the press, Gestapo style, by armed and balaclaved thugs, i.e police, at the direction of the EU.
    Necessary as such an alliance is, there are profound difficulties in both establishing and maintaining it on Europe-wide basis. Nationalism has been effectively demonised and marginalised by the well established Left in the West and Europe, using the faux equation of Nationalism = Facism+Racism.
    That is why Farage will continue to be guarded in future discussions and negotiations.
    He will not want to provide the Lib/Lab/Con with a racist stick with which to berate the UKIP in the 2014 European election campaign.

  108. Noa – exactly.

    Farage must do this with his hands tied behind his back.

    Wilders currently tops the Dutch opinion polls, but as with Le Pen and Golden Dawn, legal obstacles will constantly be thrown in his path.

    I don’t think Farage can link with Le Pen and Farage formally.

    He has already had to outlaw any ex-BNP member to avoid being smeared.

    The globalists saw the resistance coming and have plenty of booby traps set down.

    It may be that parties like Le Pen’s, Wilders’, and Farage’s are left promising nothing more than a law guaranteeing free speech, because the globalist placemen can either rule many policies as illegal (a lot of that has been done already) or just do a Golden Dawn fit-up (also narrowly topping Greece’s opinion polls).

    This is the ‘beyond authority’ phase Julia Middleton kept banging on about.

    People coming out of nowhere, to hammer down opposition. The fit-up of Golden Dawn is just that sort of thing.

    People in leadership roles who can act in the political interest of the globalists, without leaving political fingerprents on their work.

  109. Noa November 14th, 2013 – 18:47

    “Now, does anyone know how to heat a bowl of gruel on one of these thing?”

    I would have thought the bowl of gruel could be placed on top of the larger (outer) plant pot, I feel sure that this would work.

    This does remind me of when our eldest left home to work for an English Tailoring retailor in Germany, during his first year as a trainee they paid for him to stay at small hotels all over southern Germany as he stood in as a relief manager allowing all of the full time chaps to take holidays.

    Years later he confessed that the main item in his luggage pack were two building bricks, he would wedge his electric-iron upside down between these so as to youse it as a room heater but more importantly to stand a tin of baked beans on until they were piping hot.

  110. Here’s a link to counter any irrational exuberance there may be over the le Pen-Wilders alliance and the possibility of Farage making it a ménage à trois. Richard North regularly pours a chilling shower of realism over the naivety often displayed in EU-sceptic circles.
    It’s beginning to look as though any growing support for UKIP is despite Farage.

  112. Al Qaeda terrorists decapitate man and parade his head on a stick… then beg for ‘understanding and forgiveness’ after finding out they killed a Syria rebel
    I’m sorry, but this “DM” headline made me laugh. Also, chuckled to learn that in Sheffield the Pakistani community are aghast at the behaviour of the Romas and don’t want them in ‘their’ city. Lord forgive me, out of a choice of two evils, I’d settle for the Pakistanis. At least tehy don’t use the street as a lavatory and chuck garbage out of their windows.

  113. A post from Moraymint on Marine A, which i reproduce in full.

    “It’s a real conundrum living as we do in an age of omnipresent information (in this case an audio-video record of an event that in earlier times would never, ever have been known to anyone other than those directly involved) whilst warfighting remains the same as it has been for a thousand years: hell on earth (some of us know this from direct experience).
    Now we bring hell in to people’s sitting rooms and in to police stations and in to solicitor’s offices and in to the courts. And when we do bring the battlefield in to the sitting room, we’re mortified at what we observe and so we send our soldiers to jail … for doing what in the end is their job … to kill the enemy; to survive to fight to protect and preserve the lifestyles we so cherish.
    It’s mad when you think about it. Look, I’m not arguing for the execution of battlefield casualties. I’m just saying that that c*nt who Marine A shot would no sooner look at you as cut off your head given the chance, film it and stick it up on YouTube. Marine A knew all this and destroyed his enemy and your enemy and mine too. Remember, neither Al Qaeda nor the Taliban does the Geneva Convention.
    I’m just grateful that Her Majesty’s Royal Marines are on our side, that is all – to use a maritime term.

  115. “You have never seen anyone poo in the streets, but 680 million are forced to.”

    Not to mention all those Sacred Cows!

  117. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10449815/Al-Qaeda-linked-rebels-apologise-after-cutting-off-head-of-wrong-person.html

    أنا آسف لذلك. نحن ثمل. ما الذي يمكننا القيام به لجعل الرد؟

    We-ell, for a start, you can get on your knees and stick your *rses in the air.

    ماذا؟ بحيث يمكنك اللعنة لنا؟

    Naw… so’s we can fire a 9mm bullet up it. Just for scientific research, you understand…y’see, we’d really like to know if it has enough energy to reach all the way to your brain.

  118. EC – Ha ha ha ha ha! At least half the poo lying around is cow poo.

    P from M – India faces slavery???? Wha’??????? Slavery is a muhammadan habit. I lived in India and never even heard the word “slave” mentioned, never mind seen. I had a bearer, but he was far from a slave. He was with me after salary and hours and time off had been agreed. I still miss him.

    Nor are the Chinese slaves. It’s not in their nature. They are also coming along in leaps and bounds to first world status. And they have some of the most beautiful (gnashes teeth) women in the world. The Chinese are very bright and intriguing. Unless you’ve been to China or worked, as I did, for an all Chinese company and experienced their devastating cleverness and sense of humour, and their cleverness at management, you shouldn’t be making judgements. Mao was an abomination, but they got rid of him. Remember that Chinese soldier kneeling in the face of the oncoming tank? And remember the tank driver not being able to go through with it and veering away at the last minute?

  120. Telegraph . Lady warsi on plight of Christians.

    Terrorists are subjecting Christians in the Middle East to “collective punishment” for American foreign policy. Worshippers are now regarded as newcomers and agents of the West, despite having lived there for centuries.
    The attacks come against a diverse background of political upheaval, local turf wars and social unrest – but they share the common trait of Christians becoming a “scapegoat” for extremists who are insecure in their own religious identity, she will say.

    I would have assumed the extremists were VERY secure in their religious identity as they are getting away with murder all over the world.

  121. Here’s an antidote to all those MasterChef and BakeOff programs, and the poncey “foodies” and food snobs contain therein:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQsoCjJfPcU

    Pete ‘n Dud, and Peter Sellers mucking about in 1965 on “Not Only But Also.”
    The sketch goes on a bit but those who persevere to the end will be rewarded with a wonderful (excruciating!) pun contained in the Major-General’s anecdote about Hitler and Mussolini.

    Southerners satirising themselves, whatever next…..
    Grim up-Northerners take note 🙂

  122. In case you don’t notice….I have had two pieces submitted since printing my email address here again (I must add a Contact Us link on the site).

    One is a piece from Common Memories about slavery…

    http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/the-truth-about-the-slave-trade/

    And the other is a first chapter from a novel by a silent visitor to the site, David Moorland. I’ve posted the first few paragraphs here and the rest of the chapter is on his blog at http://davidmoorland.wordpress.com/

    http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/an-unkind-future/

    If other visitors and regular posters would like to submit material then please do so to peter@coffeehousewall.co.uk

  123. Peter from Maidstone November 15th, 2013 – 08:30

    “And the other is a first chapter from a novel by a silent visitor to the site, David Moorland.”

    Might this be a nom de plume of a non too silent regular here?

  125. David Ossitt 19.33

    Thank you for both gruel heating tip and the reminiscence of how your son heated his beans on the travel iron.
    It caused me to wonder, though, how he disposed of the empty cans thereafter wiithout receiving a teutonic grilling.
    “Jetzt, nachdem Sie mich wiederholen. Wir erlauben nicht das Kochen beanz im Schlafzimmer, Herr Ossitt!”

  127. Frank Sutton November 14th, 2013 – 19:57

    Frank. Thanks for the link and Dr Richard North, of whom I am a fan, somewhat like my own earlier post, sounds a sensible cautionary note on the Wilders/Le Pen alliance and its specific implications for the UK.

    I consider that, for European nationalism and self determination in the face of prevailing EUrophilia, the commencement of what will hopefully become an countervailing alliance of the libertarian Right, is to be welcomed.
    There will be difficulties in establishing an acceptable consensus, but isn’t that a problem the so-called moderate ‘left’ have in restraining their Trotskite socialist Workers, Marxists and Maoists?
    The problem is slightly different in the UK, where libertarian, patriotic and nationalist principles, once taken for granted in Parliament and government, have been exorcised and must be painfully re-established.
    Here the political compass of the Lib/Lab/Con political elite simply veers between the narrow latitudes of the Left and the Far Left; when the prime minister, and tory grandees like Clarke and the demagogue Hesletine attack what are essentially conservative policies as racist one knows that the Conservative party is now simply the Westminster branch of the New Labour Metro-Collective.

    It’s beginning to look as though any growing support for UKIP is despite Farage.

  128. Peter 11.24

    LOL!
    Aber Lachen ist nicht im Zimmer erlaubt. Sie werden gegen die Mauer und Kugelstoßen werden!

  130. PfM 15th, – 13:13

    “Noa, the cans were slowly converted into a glider in the attic.” 🙂

    “Noa, my O Level German just about gives me the sense of your post.”

    Likewise mine, but these days I use Google translator (although at 23:42 last night it mistranslated words important to the sense of the thing. 🙁 )

  132. I hear that Cameron’s motorcade was stopped by hundreds of protesters today in Sri Lanka. He’d better get used it.

  133. Have any of you spotted the Labour Parties Current (let us all say the same thing repeatedly) silly polemic.

    A labour stooge when being questioned today; said when referring to a particular matter, “the government have got it wrong ‘on their watch’ “, I pricked up my ears and sure enough within twenty words said again ‘on their watch’, this was then said once more within another minute.

    Do look out for this, it is my belief that every labour-loon will be repeating this mantra ad nauseam until Labour Central Office can think of another stupid quote.

    Can’t they see that it is so obvious and it confirms that they can only talk the parties double-speak.

  134. A stun gun, hammers, a knuckleduster and a samurai sword were found in car of man who wanted to kill David Cameron, a court is told.
    SEEN ON THE BBC WEB. ALL THAT’S MISSING IS THE GARLIC AND THE WOODEN STAKE!

  135. It is interesting to watch Labour’s retirees try to launder their ant-white policies as ‘mistakes’ to try to protect the sons and daughters of the Orwellian pigs as they prepare to take control of the farm – Will Straw, Euan Blair, Dan Hodges (not an MP, but a member of the Establishment – very much a pig inside the Animal Farmhouse).

    The highest number of comments on the Mail today is for Littlejohn pointing out this blatant lying (even he doesn’t normally get this many comments):

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2507533/Immigration-mistake-Come-Jack-Straw-RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN.html

    It would be a fool, of course, who thought the Tories would have done things differently – which the flaw of so much writing in the Mail.

    These stories are always popular on the Mail and Telegraph but I never read them as friendly pieces.

    I see them as ‘social shock absorber pieces’ that just cling on to a readership that otherwise pretty much hates both papers.

    I was struck by the start of this comment underneath Littlejohn’s piece:

    Beam MeUp, Cheshire, United Kingdom

    ‘While so many Eastern Europeans who I am forced to work with laugh and joke mainly at my expense, chortling with glee as they boast how they have taken our jobs and our homes and how Britain will never leave the EU. I would dearly love to disagree on that last insult but I am afraid even if by some miracle we do get a referendum I am convinced through mainstream media and corporate threats the majority of English sheep would vote to stay in through nothing more than fear of loosing their jobs all be it at the disgusting low rate of £6.31 per hour. To opt out media coverage would be non existent and all the rats making the real money would band together in a all out supreme pact of keep us in the EU.’

    What struck me was the element of triumphant teasing by the immigrants.

    Similarly, Peter Hitchens noted a few weeks back:

    “There is almost no controversy about the chanting, by Polish fans at Tuesday’s match, of the words ‘We are Poland. We’re playing at home’. That’s because it’s true, and because it was them chanting it.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-2468176/PETER-HITCHENS-Spite-envy-drive-Royal-Train-buffers.html

    The incomers simply cannot believe the stupidity of their host nation.

    And do you think they sign up to multi-culti like their hosts?

    Of course not. They want to live in Polish ghettoes, with Polish delis and Polish cafes and shops. And they do.

    Who the hell else would dilute their identity in the way the English have?

    No one.

    That’s why all the immigrants fight and hate each other.

    ‘How stupid do you think I am about my identity,’ they think to themselves. ‘I’m not as stupid as the English. So you can stick that multi-culti.’

    And they just mock what they see.

    As well they would.

    It was summed up by the Eastern European immigrant in the notorious Question Time in Boston episode who pointed out that Poles come to Europe to earn more money than they can in Poland and make up the shortfall in wages by claiming benefits for millions of non-existent children back in Poland.

    How can they not laugh?

    Talking of which, I have often seen clips of Question Time put on YouTube.

    I don’t think I have ever seen a full episode put on there. It’s normally too dreadful to get through, save for the occasional panellist.

    Already three YouTubers have put up the car crash performance of Anna Soubry and her fellow Farage baiters in the episode’s full entirety.

    The comments seem to be less censored on this top link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdhDFEs5EPg

    This is just another link to the same Question Time by another YouTube poster:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhFL6vWoJ9k

    I’m not sure, but I don’t think the BBC usually puts up whole episodes of Question Time on YouTube but they have for this one because I think they want to cash in on the viewing figures.

    I wouldn’t use their link because I don’t want them to get the viewing figures but here it is for anyone looking at such trends as a matter of record.

    BBC link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioIC-fN-14Y

    I think those should all be accessible whatever country you’re in.

  136. Fascinating comments from people who live in Boston underneath Question Time in Boston on YouTube. Here’s a few:

    Gary Cole

    They come to Boston to ‘work’…. hmmm, I am obviously not living near the same Boston as she is on about!

    Truth is, some of them do work. However, a substantial portion of them do not work, live off our system and do not pay tax, sell illegal drugs, put pressure on the NHS

    TheGoldenLion92

    I swear this programme just has plants for their audiences, xxxxing disgraceful that they welcome the eurotrash with open arms. I live a few miles from Boston and i can tell you now that the majority agree with Farage and this programme is a total set up.

  137. I was directed to that notorious episode of Question Time last week by someone living in the UK and I looked on YouTube’s QuestionTimeBBC channel and there are other full episodes there:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/QuestionTimeBBC/videos

    Even without watching them and just seeing some of the stills of the faces on there I know I couldn’t get through most of them.

    It’s good to be reminded of how bad that show is to know how bad the BBC is, but it is torture watching a Common Purpose echo chamber for 60 odd minutes.

    It’s a disgraceful show fronted by that nepotistic national disgrace Dimbleby.

    It’s a show the main parties are scared of these days, so very rarely will a senior MSM party person go on.

    The producers, though, want their money, so they’ve specialised in recent years by bringing on celebrity panellists and polticians who they want to see mauled, so Farage has tried to get on there as much as he can because he knows his MSM airtime is very limited.

    It’s actually as fake as many other ‘reality’ TV shows.

    Uncover how it’s made and all this rubbish about ‘the public’ get to put their questions to ‘the great and good’ is a lie.

  138. From hereon is the time to release a film times to woo the Oscar critics.

    And what do we have this year?

    Why, Hollywood’s favourite subject: those wicked ole’ whites.

    Ever since TV drama Roots, it has been a staple tradition of batting down the white kids with anti-white race dramas.

    This year alone, there is The Butler. A bit like The Help.

    But with a butler.

    Then there’s Mandela.

    A bio-pic of a terrorist and his necklace-loving wife.

    And the one tipped to win lots of Oscars: 12 Years A Slave.

    And what’s piqued our gliberal critics about 12 Years A Slave?

    That it is more graphic in its creulty.

    There have been so many anti-white dramas, the gliberals are worried people are seeing through the agenda.

    Make it more graphic, more bloody, more violent.

    That will shut people up. ‘More blood, make-up.’

    And remember, says Hollywood, you never hold Muslims collectively to account despite them all subscribing to the same set of written ideas.

    But you can always hold whitey to account for things he and she never did and that very few (if any) of their ancestors ever did.

    Them’s the rules in Hollywood.

  139. There is an EDL demonstration in Exeter tomorrow [Sat 16] aimed at the Islamic Dept of the local University which has links to the Muslim Brotherhood…….gather at Locomotive Public House at noon…….procession to Remembrance Gardens at 1-30.

    Exeter University has a European Muslim Research Centre,which researches [and searches-out] islamophobia. It is funded by the MB according to *Global Muslim Brotherhood Report*.

    The demonstration is condemned by the Dean of Exeter Cathedral and all other correct thinking persons in town.[ Exeter Echo Express-12 Nov]

  140. Joany November 15th, 2013 – 20:16

    “These stories are always popular on the Mail and Telegraph but I never read them as friendly pieces.

    I see them as ‘social shock absorber pieces’ that just cling on to a readership that otherwise pretty much hates both papers.”

    I am not quite sure what you mean by ‘readership that otherwise pretty much hates both papers’ I read both and the only thing that I find to hate is the constant over promotion of that horrendous woman Liz Jones.

  141. Radford NG November 15th, 2013 – 22:09

    “The demonstration is condemned by the Dean of Exeter Cathedral and all other correct thinking persons in town.”

    Doesn’t that make your hair stand up on the back of your neck ‘all other correct thinking persons’

    It is disgraceful to have a distinction, correct/ incorrect, right/wrong, proper/improper, not too far down this road and we will be having the thought police ore would that be the Stasi?

  142. Vis a vis that planned protest, LibLabCon are so adept at using smoke and mirrors and using stealth methods to achieve their ends (Common Purpose being the apotheosis of using power without being accountable – ‘beyond authority’, to use Julia Middleton’s term), that I am deeply suspicious of the The Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill.

    This document notes at point 29:

    ‘It is difficult to imagine a broader concept than causing ‘nuisance’ or ‘annoyance’. The phrase is apt to catch a vast range of everyday behaviours to an extent that may have serious implications for the rule of law.

    http://www.christian.org.uk/wp-content/downloads/Lord_Macdonald_QC_advice_on_ASBO_Bill-highlighted.pdf

    Exactly.

    It sounds to me like that Bill, because it has sanctions of removing housing, could be used against protestors.

    It is a smoke and mirrors way of cracking down on protestors.

    As ever, the government wouldn’t stop them protesting there and then.

    Oh no.

    Use the backdoor method: take their home away later.

    Who says the EDL are a nuisance? The authorities do. Case closed. Take away their council home. Under the new act, they can do just that.

    That’ll make them think about free speech. We’ll dub ‘free speech’ as ‘nuisance’.

    I am still not convinced much of the EDL is not run by the authorities, because I find its name unaccountable.

    If it was serious it would be called something like The Anti-Sharia League.

    I note too that Tommy Robinson delayed his news of his ‘conversion’ to Quilliam despite having already decided on it while filming When Tommy Met Mo, or whatever it was called.

    Moreover, would the BBC have ever let Robinson air his views hitherto on camera if they had not known that the goods they were getting were the precise opposite of what Robinson had been known for up until then?

    I suggest not.

    There is something so staged and contrived about that conversion.

    Robinson may or may not have been a genuine figure, but there were many, many spinning propaganda hands involved in his Quilliam switch.

    Why were the BBC catching it all on film?

  143. David Ossitt
    November 15th, 2013 – 22:50
    The Red Dean (shades of Canterbury) is on the ground!

  144. Yes, David, I misphrased that. I meant that the papers in question hate the readers.

    I look at both website daily because, like it or not, the MSM still sets the news agenda.

    But I thin k they do hate the readers. Why else are they filled full of xxxty spin?

    Why does Sharia Obore spin for the arabs all the time?

    Why do both papers constantly try to perform character assassinations of Nigel Farage?

    And they’ve done some very successful character assassinations on lower ranking UKIP figures.

    And so on?

    Why was Melanie Phillips axed?

  146. David Ossitt 15th, – 22:50

    “too far down this road and we will be having the thought police ore would that be the Stasi?”

    Nah, it’ll be ‘Big Brother’ himself, with Donald Pleasence doing a brilliant turn as a Gramsci clone, revising the ‘Newspeak’ dictionary.

  148. Clear Memories

    A brilliant comprehensive analysis. (should be read by all & linked to Speccie)
    I like William Blake

    “MY mother bore me in the southern wild,
    And I am black, but O, my soul is white!
    White as an angel is the English child,
    But I am black, as if bereaved of light.”

    Bereaved of light, yes
    But whose fault?
    The British?
    Or the African Kings and slavemasters wishing to get rich on their main resource?
    We should stop beating ourselves up.

  149. Whoops! Sorry.

    “Militant Islamist rebels in Syria linked to al-Qaeda have asked for “understanding and forgiveness” for cutting off and putting on display the wrong man’s head.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10449815/Al-Qaeda-linked-rebels-apologise-after-cutting-off-head-of-wrong-person.html

    By the way, hasn’t it now been demonstrated to the satisfaction of the man on the Clapham omnibus that Al Qaeda is controlled by the US government who in turned is controlled by “non-US elements”…?

  150. Absolute, total collapse:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2508120/Fear-loathing-prejudice-Blunketts-yard-A-deeply-disturbing-dispatch-ex-Labour-Home-Secretary-warns-race-riots-Roma-influx-Sheffield.html

    I loved this comment:

    ‘galahad-123, Manchester,

    I asked a Police Chief Supt why he retired early…..he said -“when the ordinary policeman gets to look scruffy and look like Diddy Men-it was time to get out of the force…!!……………………………………….Looking at the photo of the 2 policemen -now I know what he meant..!!’

    The only safe way out of this is secession upon secession upon secession and then after that could come repatriation schemes, but this mess is uncontrollable in its present state.

    Just look at it.

    Unless you are ‘on the books’, that is, part of the welfare/business group clientele either getting handouts or preferential government treatment for business contracts – why would anyone vote LibLabCon?

    The people who voted in the politicians ever since Enoch Powell gave his warning – for shame.

    Europe is beset with immigration problems but no-one threw their own futures away like the British.

  151. Dg November 16th, 2013 – 01:52

    “Question. What would you do if you knew you only had two weeks left to live?”

    Nothing different, we never know when we might be very near to the end of life, particularly once over the three-score and ten, I like to find something good in every day.

    I have had a lifelong habit of not allowing myself leisure time until I have done some kind of work each day a bit like earning the little pleasures of life.

  153. I have noticed the Antipodes’ dalliance with China over the past decade and see in it the same short-sightedness that leads people in London to think they can strike sharia finance deals without selling their souls to the devil.

    From where I sit, I can see the US no longer offers an escape route to the Anglosphere’s woes.

    We are as much up against it here as you are in Europe.

    The Antipodes – already beset with multi-culti, politically correct politics – has made some very strange friends:

    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/11/how-long-can-anglosphere-nations-survive-in-the-pacific.html

    “Some straws in the wind : Chinese warships have recently paid courtesy visits to Sydney and Auckland (the Chinese declared they were nuclear-free) , and the Royal Australian Navy has even exercised with the Chinese Navy.

    “It’s not exactly the Great White Fleet. But who’d have even guessed at it, in 1945? And it’s only the beginning.

    “What sort of accommodation will the ANZAC nations make with China, when the time comes. What will it be like, a Habeas Corpus, Magna Carta country in the giant shadow of the People’s Republic? Who will decide the limits of speech and thought, and who will control the flow of population?

    “My guess is that the Antipodean Paradise may not have all that many decades to run before it is changed into something rather different.”

    My way of putting it is this.

    It’s culture, stupid.

    Not the economy.

    Culture is what ensures stability and survival.

    The best exponent of that, I believe, is Japan.

    Next to no immigration and we do everything the Japanese way.

    Why can people in the Anglosphere not get it into their thick skulls that is a recipe for harmony?

  155. You won’t read this in the mainstream media because they don’t want you getting ideas.

    Golden Dawn are again topping the opinion polls.

    http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2013/11/16/this-is-no-greek-myth-new-poll-confirms-golden-dawn-supremacy/

    It is only traitors that stand in their way.

    Merkel has of course got Euro armies ready in case it comes down to a revolution (I suspect it will need that because the globalists have done all they can to block the ballot box route), but if they can manage it they will give everyone else hope.

    The thing that Merkel, Hollande and Cameron thought they could banish forever.

    Come on, Greece!

    Kick the EU out.

    Out. Out. Out.

  157. That is true, Frank.

    However, what gives the place hope is that it has not fallen apart culturally.

    Too often, economists try to simplify population trends into modern economic cycles.

    Yet economists rarely, if ever, get it right.

    Life has highs and lows – as do nations.

    Just as Britain had a post-war baby boom, I believe Japan will – once it realises what is going on – awaken and sort that out.

    More importantly, it has the conditions to sort it out.

    It still has its own culture.

    I have to say, too, that I am no longer taken in by the economists’ cult of ‘never-ending growth’ being the pre-requisite to everything.

    That strikes me as not only flawed, but often an outright lie used for political propaganda purposes.

    That is the excuse peddled by LibLabCon for the UK’s never-ending immigration – and look where is has got the indigenes.

    Growth?

    Cancerous growth, more like.

    The UK needs no population growth from outside and more than a little pruning!

  158. Noa, November 15th, 2013 – 11:44. Yes, Dr North can be as bracing as a cold shower after a late night party – the cold dawn of steely realism.
    I very much question the prevailing view that EU-scepticism is a thing of the right. I feel the whole concept of left and right is an outdated and irrelevant to today’s situation.
    There is no reason why people who would regard themselves as left wing shouldn’t wish to be free from the EU – and it seems that UKIP is drawing some support for disaffected Labour voters. I see the BBC and the other usual suspects persist in branding EUscepticism as ‘right wing’ – a code word for ‘bad’.
    As Dr North pointed out recently, there is some evidence that EU-sceptic support is suffering by its association with UKIP .
    Unless UKIP can somehow broaden its appeal it will not have the strength to get us out of the awful mess that is te EU – and our best hope is that the EU will simply collapse from its own internal conflicts.

  159. Thats this can go on in any Western country just tells me that we are all doomed:

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/video-muslim-brotherhood-protesters-storm-london-university-lecture-on-egypt-8937580.html

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2013/11/the-muslim-brotherhood-thrives-in-britain/

    That bunch of people, translated by economists, would be: more people makes more GDP.

    This is their formula, the one parroted by politicians:

    More people = more wealth and happiness.

    Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?

    There’s a reason why a convicted liar like Vicky Pryce excels at her chosen profession.

  161. Kudos to Joany for such a thorough thrashing of the toxic left. Every word, every sentence, every paragraph an A-bomb.

    She will now be on a little list, as is that purveyor of honest thinking, Nigel Farage.

    Why are the British so supine? I don’t know whether the bums-up for bum-lover allah are still commandeering public pavements for allah on Fridays, but they should employ large snow plough machines to clear the British pavements and sweep slew them into the gutters, where they can be picked up by rubbish trucks.

    France stopped them from the anus display on the Champs Elysee. No wonder the Arabs have such a taste for little boys when all they see several times a week are wildernesses or proferred anuses.

    Finally, the Buggering Boys Broadcasting Corporation has long had its day and should be dismantled with extreme prejudice. They should get the cleaners, cooks and other non-camera and non-executive labour out in good time, then flyi some planes into Broadcasting House.

    Dismantling this foul, toxic organisation isn’t enough. It should be razed to the ground and its ashes left as an aide memoir for at least 10 years.

  162. Joany 16th, – 09:38

    “The best exponent of that, I believe, is Japan.
    Next to no immigration and we do everything the Japanese way.
    Why can people in the Anglosphere not get it into their thick skulls that is a recipe for harmony?”

    I’d like to say it’s also the recipe for success, but the last 16 years’ evidence makes that an arguable assertion. Although one gets the sense that the hibernating giant is once again about to awake.

  163. I thought you might like to know how UKIP went on in Thursday’s council by-elections.
    You’ll be pleased to know that Bob Hardon, UKIP candidate in Seaton, Cumbria impressed voters with a mighty 38% of the vote. I hear that he was pursuing women voters enthusiastically.
    Overall, there were four by-elections on Thursday in which UKIP averaged 23%, which I thought was pretty good.
    Thomas Grocock, Lib Dem, got 2%.

  165. Is my hearing faulty, or did I imagine that I heard on Saturday Live (BBC Radio 4) that Nigel Farage is in such pain, from his previous plane incident, that he is going to have a back operation? Please, help, somebody, as my husband thinks I am hearing voices.

  166. Well only now has the BBC Web displayed the news for Farage. I wish him well, and a speedy recovery! My husband, well he can go try a ‘Gaslight’ on himself!

  169. Leo MacKinstry repeats what we’ve been saying here.

    http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/leo-mckinstry/442943/Mass-immigration-was-a-mistake-Come-off-it-Jack

    And Daviid Cameron does a Blunkett, telling Indian students there is ‘no limi’ to te numbers that can come here.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/442985/Britain-to-open-to-students-and-migrants-from-India-says-David-Cameron

    Isn’t he’s right to do so?
    After all, the numbers of British students going to our universities is falling dramatically as the coalition’d fee increases bite. Our education sector and its vibrant, diverse lecturer base must survive as best it can to preserve our skill and heritage base.

  170. I have always wondered about that plane accident…

    Farage knows he must go on.

    These are monumentally important times for the British people.

    No doubt even if UKIP finished tomorrow, the idea of an alternative has been set in train and I think a new party would find it a lot easier than UKIP to pick up disaffected votes.

    But the toll on those involved is huge. They are not like Cameron who never gives full answers on his drug taking past and who can rely on shadowy people to pull embarrassing photos of him out of circulation.

    Many is the UKIP politician flayed alive in public in a way never done to LibLabConners.

    Farage himself has been kicked from pillar to post and back again and that thug Lynton Crosby will be hoping to break his back in more ways than one.

    I only hope the electorate has the decency to bring its own ballot box iron bar down so hard on the Tory party we never, ever have to see it again.

    It makes me utterly sick to the pit of my stomach.

  172. Peter from Maidstone October 10th, 2013 – 13:36

    Outsourcing, taken to extreme, does not work:

    France v Ukraine: French papers ask if this team is ‘the worst in history’ after World Cup playoff first leg defeat

    The French media and public are hugely critical of the national team, with 89.7% of readers of Le Parisien believing France will not qualify for World Cup 2014 in Brazil

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/10454045/France-v-Ukraine-French-papers-ask-if-this-team-is-the-worst-in-history-after-World-Cup-playoff-first-leg-defeat.html

    Or maybe they don’t want to fly back from Rio de Janeiro with Air France.

  173. dg November 16th, 2013 – 01:52 asked the question “Question. What would you do if you knew you only had two weeks left to live?”

    I posted my answer at David Ossitt November 16th, 2013 – 09:07.

    Ever since I posted my perfectly honest reply I have felt a little uneasy; was there more to the question than is readily apparent?

    Has dg been the recipient of very bad news?

    There was nothing in the question that confirmed these misgivings but never the less I wish that I had added more to my reply.

    My beloved’s mother had major surgery to remove cancers in her abdomen, after which we were asked by the nurses to see the surgeon, who patiently explained that he could do no more and that with proper help she would feel no pain but that she would die in three to six months.

    She went on to live a happy useful life for a further twenty-five years.

    There is always hope.

  174. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 November 16th, 2013 – 18:21

    “Please, help, somebody, as my husband thinks I am hearing voices.”

    Is there anybody there?

  175. David Ossitt
    November 16th, 2013 – 23:22
    Finally, the BBC Web mentioned that Farage is to have an operation this Tuesday. I think they deliberately did not give us the news until the evening, and the earlier mention in “Saturday Live” was not meant to have been released. The vile BBC are possibly afraid of the public showing any sympathy for Farage, and above all do not want to give him any publicity. Does that sound paranoid or logical?

  176. They fuck you up , the Labour Party .
    They say they don’t mean to but they do.
    They let in lots of immigrants .
    And leave the problems just for you.

  177. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 November 17th, 2013 – 01:32

    “Does that sound paranoid or logical?”

    Certainly not paranoid an entirely logical conclusion, the silly buggers (literally) cannot see that by their lack of honesty they get the exact opposite result than that which they are aiming for.

    I am quite loquacious and am happy to ask perfect strangers their opinions on anything and everyone that I ask about UKIP would appear to like the UKIP leader.

    PS. My ‘is there anybody there’ was a clumsy attempt at humour.

  178. Christopher Booker on Dave’s lies about the EU

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10454192/David-Cameron-can-only-get-what-he-wants-by-leaving-the-EU.html

    and the UK’s child ‘care’ system – legalised child-snatching by paedophile-friendly social workers run by private equity-owned adoption agencies who don’t care so long as they make more money.

    Read some of the comments:

    english_pensioner

    “The son of a friend of mine is a widower who was left with a three year old daughter, now five and just starting at school..
    Ever since his wife’s death from cancer, the social services have been suggesting that a man can’t bring up a daughter of that age and it would be far better if she were adopted. Having lost his wife, he’s scared stiff at the thought of loosing his daughter, and has to be very careful in everything he does in case some social worker uses it as an excuse to snatch the child. The social services have targets to meet for adoptions, and it would be easy to find adoptive parents for a healthy girl from good white parents.
    If he’d been a single mother, they’d have been rushing around to give help, but single fathers apparently deserve no sympathy. Fortunately he has good neighbours who are prepared to help when necessary.”

  179. David Ossitt
    November 17th, 2013 – 09:13
    Thanks, David.
    By the way, what is your opinion on the Le Pen/alliance that Farage is against? Personally, I think a strong dose of real Right Wing politicians would be the saviour for this country, now on the verge of complete capitulation to the marxists and aliens here. Soon the Romas and other horrors will be in the majority!

  180. David Ossitt 16th, – 23:18

    “What would you do if you knew you only had two weeks left to live?””

    Having, this Summer, supported my beloved during the protracted death of her brother from an inoperable brain tumour, I have the sense that, if someone is down to their last two weeks, he isn’t sitting before a computer, blogging.

  181. Ostrich (occasionally) November 17th, 2013 – 10:45

    “he isn’t sitting before a computer, blogging”

    I suspect that you might be right.

  182. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 November 17th, 2013 – 10:31

    “By the way, what is your opinion on the Le Pen/alliance that Farage is against?”

    It is my opinion that deep inside his soul he agrees with much of what Le Pen and Geert Wilders have to say but unlike them he is not seeking power where proportional representation applies as I think it does Holland and France.

    Here he is seeking power our in my opinion much better system but small parties such as UKIP do have a struggle, even now the BBC and main stream media are giving him a very hard time (he can take it) but just imagine what bile would be spilt over him if he were to publically praise Le Pen and Geert Wilders.

  184. David Ossitt
    November 17th, 2013 – 12:08
    Thinking about what you wrote. You make good sense and I usually agree with you. In my opinion, it is a pity that you and many posters here are not typical of contemporary British people. Seems too many have been neutralised by benefits, government control and plain ignorance. A vibrant and vigorous citizenry would have taken the law into their own hands, dealing with the BBC as our Verity so often demands!

  185. Noa, November 16th, 2013 – 19:03

    😆

    An outstanding performance in Red territory… in chilly weather too!

  186. It is astonishing that the BBC can peddle such rubbish:

    How the BBC turned a catastrophic crisis into a drama about global warming

    * Listeners given a bogus message on Radio 4’s Today programme
    * They were told storms like Typhoon Haiyan are linked to global warming
    * Same claim, which has no scientific basis, echoed by David Cameron

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2508573/How-BBC-turned-catastrophic-crisis-drama-global-warming.html

    For those uncomfortable with Daily Mail reporting, there is a thread here:

    No Mr Cameron, no.
    http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/11/17/no-mr-cameron-no.html

  188. On BBC Radio 4 “Reflections”, I just heard an interview with Norman Tebbit. What a fine man and politician, and it was a double tragedy that his wife was maimed in the IRA bombing. Not only was an innocent lady severely injured, but Tebbit’s resignation in order to put his wife first deprived us of that rarity of an honest politician. Above all, a loyal and true gentleman.

  189. AWK – I whole heartedly agree with your assessment of Norman Tebbitt and his loyalty to his country and his loyalty to his injured wife. He is a fine, fine individual, in the brave and selfless footsteps of Churchill and Thatcher.

    How we wish that fortune had been otherwise and that he had been able to be prime minister. Had he been able to be so, we would not have dropped so far into today’s national squalor.

  190. “I was told by a Prebyterian minister,life is a creeping tragedy;that’s why I must be cheerful”:John Tavener. There is a commemorative concert on Radio 3 at 4-00 to 5-30 this afternoon[Sun 17] . The South Iceland Chamber Choir give the world premier of a work he wrote for them,recorded at Southwark Cathedral last Thursday.

  191. Re: Scientific integrity – from the 1974 vaults:

    h/t Anthony Watts

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/16/a-view-of-science-worth-reflecting-upon/#more-97589

    “Cargo Cult Science
    Some remarks on science, pseudoscience, and learning how not to fool yourself.
    Caltech’s 1974 commencement address.”
    Richard P. Feynman

    Read it all at:
    http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/CargoCult.pdf

    “So I have just one wish for you–the good luck to be somewhere where you are free to maintain the kind of integrity I have described, and where you do not feel forced by a need to maintain your position in the organization, or financial support, or so on, to lose your integrity. May you have that freedom.”

    Oh, how thing’s have changed – for the worse!

  196. Noa – my congratulations to Mr Hardon, whose name, I shamedly confess, raised a childish snort of laughter with me. I hope his pursuit of the women’s vote will prove even more fruitful next time!

  197. so prof ashton thinks we should lower the age of consent to 15.
    He argues kids of that age are having sex anyway.
    I think having sex with a person under 16 should be legal as long as you are not more than 2 years older. And we keep an absolute age of consent. 15 or maybe 14. That should stop predatory adults preying on young children.
    what is wrong is that a 16 year old having sex with someone maybe 2 months younger but 15 could end up in court an on the sex offenders register.

    The law was changed to protect young girls from prostitution. But its illegal for someone to sell sex if under 18. Prostitution over 18 is largely legal. http://oldestprof.com/index.php/sexlaws

    lastly we should remember girls as young as 9 can be having periods, and therefore their hormones must be putting sexual thoughts into their minds. The power of those hormones on a young child must be very hard for them to deal with.

    And related to this is the sexualisation of kids. Inappropriate clothing, pop videos, magazines etc all make kids grow up too fast.

  198. EC-November 17th, 2013 – 15:22

    Thanks for the link about Nikki, let’s hope her nip, (or is it nick?) and tuck, helps her to achieve her ambitions.
    I suspect that the politics of the Liberal Democrat Mr Grocock may hold secret appeal for her, but perhaps not.

  199. EC – Thanks for this: ““MEP (formerly UKIP) Nikki Sinclaire hopes her “great secret” of growing up as a boy won’t stand in the way of her ambition to be a Cabinet minister.” ”

    One: It will not have been a “great secret” to his classmates, who will have been inspired to make many witticisms on the subject during his school days. Incidentally, Nikki Sinclaire is still a boy. All the operations and all the hormones in the world cannot make the tiniest dent in one’s DNA. Despite the cutesy poo spelling of his name, Nick Sinclaire is still a lad.

  200. Verity
    November 17th, 2013 – 18:48

    Nikki Sinclaire ? Well it seems to have all the qualifications needed in this skewed up political field. I agree with Verity, it is what it is. End of discussion.

  202. Roger Daltrey on mass immigration:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10455384/Roger-Daltrey-I-will-never-forgive-Labour-for-their-immigration-policies.html

    Only someone who has had their career already can say something like that.

    I saw an article the other day about the diminishing power of the novel.

    Its argument was that unless a novel has been filmed, it doesn’t have big public affection.

    Maybe there’s an element of truth to that, but I think the bigger point is that novels no longer speak to us about what is happening.

    About 24/7 stealth spin, about race replacement.

    Plenty of them try. There was a novel, for example, recently about the jihad but, wait: ‘The most frightening characters in the book are white racist thugs, who burn mosques and murder British Muslims in the chaos that follows the explosion.’

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/nick-cohen/2013/05/writers-in-a-state-of-fear/

    You see, that’s the problem. It always gets back to smearing whitey.

    Look at the Hollywood names attached to ‘The Butler’. Falling over themselves. Brad Pitt is in ’12 Years A Slave’.

    This is all a cultural lie.

    Where are the films about white kids singled out for beatings by blacks under cover of political correctness?

    You see, that is what is happening today in America. The beatings are on YouTube.

    Never mind ‘The Butler’, ‘Mandela’ and ’12 Years A Slave’.

    I think it extends beyong the novel, to sit coms, to TV, to comedy and so on.

    And who could dare say something truthful anyway? They’d be howled down or, more likely, never get past the gateway censorship of publishers, broadcasters and studios.

    The politically correct stifling of art was meant to make everyonce believe the PC multi-culti dream.

    But instead, I just find art of all sorts and everywhere diminishing in power.

    Ask yourself. In their novel, in their film, in their sit-com, in their stand up – are they talking about what you’re talking about?

    No.

    It’s all just PC social engineering rubbish.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/david-sexton-the-best-books-have-to-make-it-to-the-screen-8939066.html

    If I want an artist to speak to me, I must turn to Rudyard Kipling.

    And I know what modern publishers would say to an author like that.

    The intellectual class, the novel-writing class now only deals in lies. That is why I cannot abide the modern novel.

    There’s something going on at the end of these people’s noses and they either ignore it or distort it.

    They’re not artists to me. They are spin artists. Whether they realise it or not.

  204. Exactly Noa.

    As that link you provided says:

    ‘even people simply expressing strong opinions in public’.

    Its presentation is as an anti-social law, but it is in fact an attack on free speech through the back-door.

    The new Defamation Bill worries me too.

    I have seen is suggested that it is designed to make it easier to sue, so a website such as this one could be shut down at the drop of a hat because it is easier to sue it.

    Again, it looks like a wolf in sheep’s clothing bill.

    The target is to attack free speech through the back door while trying to spin it that Dave has a social conscience.

  206. Joany-21.27

    Well and passionately observed.

    To be fair, the great majority of our writers and artists are conventional and reflective of the society that sustains them. Think of those post modernist Tate Arts Prize winners and the boring metro-leftism of the Booker Prize candidates. They are the product of an educational system which has denominated socialist group think as the primary, indeed the only acceptable norm for fifty years.
    The consequence is a be-fuddled, unchallenging state funded ‘kulture’, which seeks to destroy the views of creative opposition thinkers such as Hitchens.
    Would a contemporary version of Orwell’s 1984, portraying a distopian West, destroyed by mass immigration and institutional bankrupting socialism be accepted a
    for publishing in the UK now? Or would its author be publicaly pilloried, prosecuted and branded a racist?
    No Booker prize for guessing the answer.

  209. Baron Pippin II of Meerkovo, November 17th, 2013 – 22:06

    “Read it.”
    Read it.
    Hannan, who is undoubtedly well read and articulate, is part of the problem not of the solution. He has spent the last 14 years loafing about in Brussels talking to empty seats in that “parliament”, being ineffectual. Why won’t he, even now, join UKIP?

  211. EC and Peter fM:

    You amaze me, ranting about what’s wrong, and here you have someone who pinpoints exactly where we went wrong (the law, the law does it), and you immediately point to what’s wrong not with the message, but the messabnger.

    Baron’s indisposed, bad health keeps eating away the barbarian. When he gets back, if he gets back, he’ll have a go at you. A promise that.

  212. Baron, the trouble is that Hannan has shown himself not to be honest. It would be like you criticising one of us for saying that we could not support Blunkett while he expresses the view that there will be blood on the streets. The message might be true, but the reason for saying it is not transparent. The message cannot be separated from the messenger.

  213. Baron,
    I trust you are returned to full health and as quickly as possible.
    That is the important thing, for political convictions and debate are food for the mind, not the body.
    As for Hannan, the solution he propounds, an India-led angloshere seems a high flown essay more in keeping with Cameron’s ‘no limit’ Indian immigration policy than offering any practical benefit to a UK industry and intellectual asset base driven to near destruction by open door political capitalism and cheap Indian and Chinese imports of goods and labour.

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