The Coffee House Wall – 14th/20th July

Posted on July 14, 2014

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159 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 14th/20th July”

  1. stephen maybery 22:08

    For reasons unknown to the barbarian his yesterday’s postings didn’t appear. One of them, stephen, said Baron will follow your suggestion, get the book from the States, when and if you have time we’ll meet for the signing. The review of tte final days of the evil empire was read by Baron, too, he’ll get a library copy first, he’s been often disappointed in the past.

  2. Clear Memories @ 02:48

    Amazing we don’t hear about it at all, the Khomeni’s musings for inst.. Whether the enquiry into the peadophile ring at Westminster should be broadened is another matter, Baron reckons this deserves an enquiry of its own.

  3. Baron@July 14th, 2014 – 10:54
    it needs raising on discussion boards as much as possible.

  5. alexsandr – 11:58

    No wonder cartoons are banned in wnsoh-land. They would be laughing their heads off!

  7. Youth who beat Big Issue seller to death spared jail for stealing a TV http://dailym.ai/U40ndw

    Has anybody here any experience of this thinking skills nonsense.
    Can anyone convince me it works.

  8. alexsandr @ 11:40

    You are aware, alexandr, that some of the stuff has been rubbished by the followers of Allah, who suggest it’s either fake, or it originates from disreputable Imams, freaks except for the Ayatollah Khomeini’s musings, these were published, are a matter of public record, Baron has saved those, will use them when an opportunity arises.

  9. “Baroness Butler-Sloss has stepped down as chair of an inquiry into allegations of historic child sex abuse.”

    Everyone said she should but she said that she would not step down but now she has, all a bit silly really, the home secretary who I do not rate at all, gave her the job.

    In my opinion she was hoping that all the fuss could be kicked into the long grass, now she knows better.

    But will she learn from it?

  10. Baron,
    Best of luck with GKS, and yes I will make time to sign for you. With reference to one of your postings last week, I concur, you are absolutely on the button in regard to the possibilities of Chinese behaviour in the future. They will undoubtedly move against the West in the future and the path to our boarders is through Russia. Russia is of no threat to us and this creating of an unnecessary animus between us is both witless and dangerous, and if the fools of the EU can not see this then that is yet another reason for us to decouple from that ridiculous and dangerous construct.

  11. stephen maybery 19:22

    What’s this ‘best of luck with GKS’, stephen, Baron works fast, he has already ordered the book (it will take some time to get here though because of the barbarian’s parsimony), read your story about Saddam’s bunker building, and your ‘Life on the Lam’ …

    You, sir, are an incredible character, far from the shy guy who didn’t want to say hello at the Boot’s lecture, a man who can justifiably claim to have been through the best and the worst that life can throw at one, someone to interview on the Parkinson’s show if it were still going. If only the Wallsters knew…..

    So, any new wild projects you’re involved in, thinking of getting into? Syria? Ukraine?

  13. Peter from Maidstone @ 22:44

    The glabrous man from Yorkshire was ‘a leading lights of the Conservative Party for a generation’ , says the boy. Hmmm, no wonder the party has been in the dark a generation.

  14. In the last Sunday’s ST there was a cartoon. Two big bellied English fans are watching the FIFA final on TV, one of them saying: “Brilliant, either the Germans or Argies will lose’.

    A Guardian’s article last week was quietly rejoicing about the outflow of members from the Tory party, the reasons for it, amongst which prominently featured the gay marriage act. Baron made a posting saying ‘ no worry, the gays will vote for the boy, he will then reward them making it not only legal but compulsory’. The posting was censored.

    If the censoring was because Baron pinched the jokey bit from Bob Hope, fine. But it wasn’t the reason for taking it down, was it.

    How come we can make fun of the Germans, Argies, but not the gays?

  17. Here’s Rod Liddle at his best, on a totally non-political piece of news.

    An ill wind that blows plenty of good.

    Here’s something to cheer you up. Apparently, inhaling other people’s flatulence
    can stop you having a stroke, or getting cancer, heart disease and indeed dementia. This is the conclusion of research from Exeter University; the gas released – hydrogen sulphide – is beneficial to our immune system.

    I am not sure how this important research was carried out: 100 or so subjects strapped down like laboratory beagles while white-coated professors continually broke wind at them, maybe? Either way, next time you’ve eaten a plate of sprouts and are in the lift, or on a crowded train – let it rattle. And proudly explain to your disgusted fellow passengers that you are in the business of saving lives.

    Baron’s still chuckling, and he read it yesterday.

  18. Baron

    “I am not sure how this important research was carried out”

    Extensive rides in selected Manila taxis?

  19. Baron,
    Oh me gawd, what ‘ave I gone and done? talk about letting the cat out of the bag, more like launching the moggie into orbit. Yes, my life has had a few twists and turns but I long ago learnt to take the rough with the smooth, just as well really, these things happen, to me it is normal, never been any different. No, I have not done Parky, but other interviews, the consequences can be unnerving, after one such performance I was propositions for sex by a woman in a wheel chair. I have no plans for anymore foreign adventure, but they keep on propositioning me, I tell them to bugger off but they will not listen, the latest is to go down to Zimbabwe.

  20. On William Hague

    “David Cameron purges middle-aged men to make way for his rising female stars.” (h/t DM)

    Do I see a principle in play here?

  23. stephen maybery @ 23:29

    If people knew they would value your contributions more,stephen, and that’s just for starters for the young are not made of the same stuff anymore.

    And Zimbabwe is it? Well, it cannot be long before the old despot snuffs it, there may then be a niche for someone to build few bunkers as the country explodes looking for another strong man.

    and this, related to another country in the dark continent.

    The population of Ethiopia stands today at roughly 92mn today with the per capita income around $400. In 1984, the population was around 40mn, in 2004 some 60mn of equally poor people.

    It seems that what the foreign aid has achieved (some $18bn between 2001 and 2014) is just a massive increase in population with no noticeable boost to income per head. Our shillings and other countries’ money are producing poor people. It’s madness. If it carries on like that, in 2030 Ethiopia will have almost 150mn people, all as poor as those 92 million today.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2691750/Ethiopian-farmer-given-taxpayers-money-sue-Britain-sending-international-aid-homeland.html

  24. Baron

    July 15th, 2014 – 00:00

    Hence, as I am sure you will agree, no signs of dementia…

  25. Baron

    With regard to your question last week, Standpoint magazine appears to be preparing its conservative, intellectual-leaning readership with arguments for war with Russia.The journal is nominally edited by Daniel Johnson, but the mover appears to be the Managing Editor, Michael Mosbacher, who is the Director of The Social Affairs Unit, the charity which publishes Standpoint – a handsome magazine by the way.

    Any news yet on who our new Foreign Secretary will be – and why?

  27. Baron,
    There is not much chance of Mugabe retiring, he would not be allowed to do so. At the last election, he was defeated by Morgan Tsvangerai. Mugabe accepted the result, he gathered his closest aides together and told them the game was up, but they refused to allow him to do so. There are three individuals in Zim who call the shots, if Capn Bob were to go then their positions, if not their lives would be at risk, so, he is in the hot seat until the Grim Reaper beckons.

  29. Peter,
    Mediocrity gravitates to mediocrity like flies to a jam pot. The third rate spiv who sits in Downing Street thinks he is being clever, probably because his focus groups tell him so, and that a cabinet of women and ethnics will have the voters dancing in the streets. Out in the real World, what people want is ability and competence and do not give a toss where those attributes come from, be it a pinstriped suite or a skirt. MacMillan pulled the same trick and was turfed out shortly after. Naturally Cameron did not know that, after all the clown only has a degree in history.

  32. UKIP MEP for Yorkshire speaks against EU aggression in Ukraine against Russia : EU policy is about adding another country to it’s empire in a political blitzkrieg;UKIP doesn’t subscribe to the theory that war is the continuation of politics by other means. (3 minutes.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAX0wV1Xgmk

  33. Radford NG – 06:04
    Juncker has just told Alex Salmond that no new country, like an independent Scotland, can join the EU for at least five years, so the Ukraine must be an exception.

  34. stephen maybery – July 15th, 11:57
    CMD read PPE, which is even worse for anyone with no common sense.

  35. “In Federalist No. 2, John Jay wrote, “Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people – a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs. … ”

    He called Americans a “band of brethren, united to each other by the strongest ties.” The republic of the founders for whom Jay spoke did not give a fig for diversity. They cherished our unity, commonality and sameness of ancestry, culture, faith and traditions.

    We were not a nation of immigrants in 1789.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/america-no-longer-1-nation-1-people/#x8ilILH17aLktEe2.99

    (h/t Drudge Report)

  36. Robertc,
    I stand corrected, and you are right, PPE is the dishrag of academia, it wipes away all vestiges of common sense, thereby ensuring its graduates are worthy of a place in government.

  37. The Times: PM’s nominee for Europe ‘faces rejection for his views’

    Maybe CMD has played a blinder!

    Getting your candidate rejected before starting the process of leaving the EU would certainly be one up on UKIP!

    We wait and see.

  38. Meanwhile, further on the realignment of international alliances:

    “…As soon as China, Russia, and Germany have enough gold, they are going to form a new currency bloc. It will be comprised of yuan, marks, rubles, and gold. This is why the Fed won’t give Germany any of its gold back. The U.S. has picked up on this and so the Fed is denying Germany its gold.

    The Fed promised to send Germany a mere 300 tons of its 1,436 tons of gold the Fed is supposed to have stored. Well, only 5 tons have made their way back to Germany because the Fed knows what Germany is up to with the Chinese and the Russians, and so there is no way in hell the Fed is going to give Germany back its gold at this point. Germany, you may have won the World Cup but you will have to go into the open market if you want your gold back.”… ”

    http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2014/7/16_Now_Germany_Will_Never_Get_Its_Gold_Back_From_The_U.S._Fed.html

  39. I never understand those who think that China and Russia are our great friends and allies. They are our enemies. They will crush us if they can. We do business with them where we can and keeping an eye on our wallet but they are neither friends nor allies.

  40. Clear Memories (15 July @ 07:51)

    Thanks for posting that link to the comments on Youtube. They and the video ‘What The West Needs To Know’ should have far more, and repeated, publicity.

    I have become pessimistic enough to believe that the majorities of the people in both Israel and Western countries are all in the very state of denial of the realities of Islam and especially of its Arab followers that the Rabbi describes.

    The failure of both Israel and western countries to act in accordance with reality is, I fear, going to lead to the destruction of Israel.

    Israel will have allowed itself to be destroyed by irrationally clinging to it’s own extreme dedication to civilised ethics.

    Sadly, I doubt even that will cause western populations to wake up.

    Civilisation in western countries will probably be destroyed too, by their clinging to the false and suicidal “ethics” that westerners have imposed on themselves via the modern religion of Political Correctness.

  42. Clear Memories @ 07:51

    Baron stands over 100% with Israel and the Jewish lot, always has done, but is hard put to subscribe to the guy’s explanation of the bigger picture. Just take the last case, the trigger for the current killing spree. Few thugs from the Palestinian side kidnap three Israeli youth, kill them. Few days later, few thugs from the Jewish side kidnap a Palestinian boy, burn him alive. How does that square with the rabbi’s take on the Palestinians as people of the desert not unlike the wild monkeys that cannot be tamed, and the urbanised (and civilised) lot of the Jews?

    Baron’s take on people, the tribes they set up, live in, the way they behave beats his, even if the barbarian says so himself. In every group of people bound together by an idea, ethnicity, or whatever else binds them, there always are some to take the extreme position. To paraphrase (and expand) T. S. Eliot’s definition of heresy, in every group of people there always are some who ‘seize upon a truth and push it to the point at which it becomes a falsehood’ and often causes harm to the group rather than good.

    It may well be, it certainly is true from the evidence one comes across daily, that in the Palestinian tribe the ratio of the deranged far exceeds that on the Israeli side, but neither party to the dispute is free from this self-harming element. Extremism in a tribal, societal set up has always existed, cannot be fully eradicated. It does massive harm when it becomes institutionalised, and the Hamas lot is a good example of it. This is what distinguishes the two sides in the current (but ever lasting) painful skirmish. On the one side, a democracy, albeit imperfect, with few rogue elements in it that the state institutions punish (if they get caught), on the other side, a thugocracy that not only encourages the rogue elements, rewards them, but is itself villainous, corrupt and vile.

  43. Alex Feltham @ 10:28

    Welcome to the club of the PR worshippers. Alex, but be warned. Not many want the membership, the old ways are hard to abandon, the forgetting curve sinks very slowly.

    The anointed in charge have tampered with the institutions of the State as if it was a Lego game they are dealing with, left the current electoral system untouched, each party hoping for a majority that they are unlikely to get in a society as fragmented as ours is currently is.

    The PR system ain’t perfect, often one gets a result where a tiny party with a couple of MPs gets to yield massive ppower, but given that nothing in this world of ours is perfect, all in all, the PR beats the FPTP system for it guarantees the voice to more of the unwashed than the stale FPTP arrangement.

  44. Herbert Thornton @ 23:06

    More often than not, Baron shares your pessimism, Herbert, but just for the sake of an argument, he’ll join the other, the sunnier side.

    Even as the Dutch saying goes (and B~ron has said it so often his lips are chipped) ‘man can predict everything but the future’ one never fails to be tempted.

    Paradoxically, one can put up a good argument backing the notion that the good times are far from over, we’re to enjoy still more decades of wasteful prosperity, epicurean living, debauched morals. Except for the localised skirmishes (around the Korean peninsula, in the Middle East) there isn’t much to fear from institutionalised, state run evil. The jihadists pose a problem, but in Baron’s humble view, they are a boil that’s overblown in importance. By far more people die in falling down ladders that are killed by them.

    And then you have the fundamental reason we’ve indulged in wars in the past, the unwashed were more willing to pick the gun because they had little stake in the societies they lived in, had nothing to lose to go destroy property, loot, rape and pillage as they themselves had no property, assets to be destroyed, pillaged. The unprecedented boost to people’s standard of living in the past half a century has changed that. More of us (that’s also true for the BRICS countries, and a large number of the African hoi polloi) have accumulated some wealth, it may be tiny, insignificant compared to the billionaires’ loot, yet the impact on the behaviour of the masses may be huge, The fear of losing it could be such that it acts as the last resort that stops the masses wanting to disturb the status quo. Moreover, there also is the hope that the tiny bit the unwashed have put aside may be somewhat enlarged if they don’t rock the cart too much, and that may be enough to keep us moaning, ranting and arm waving, on occasions letting off steam, but doing nothing substantial like going to war on a big scale.

    You may say, well, it’s all right, all this ranting about the newly acquired placidity of the masses, but it’s those in charge who may brainwash them into action. That’s a valid point, but its validity is limited in the West anyway in that people still have a say, just look at the success of UKIP, the other EU right leaning parties. The democratic deficit may be large, it still ain’t big enough to break the people’s will if and when it asserts itself.

  45. Here’s something we all could and should do, support Spiked’s campaign for free speech. Scroll down a little, on the right, the editor’s asking for cases of censorships readers themselves experienced. Baron has sent in his bit, perhaps you can chip in as well.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/freespeechnow

  46. The barbarian failed to link the free speech campaign by Spiked to the link furnished by Alex. The cases quoted by Spiked are essentially examples of how we criminalised thought for language is but a verbal expression of one’s thinking. As the great Seneca had it: a man can think what he likes, and say what he thinks’.

    The PC culture has opened the door to suffocating free thought, and once the door is ajar who is to say whether what offends is just the thought or the way it’s expressed Nietzsche has a quote to the point: “Arrogance on the part of the meritorious is even more offensive to us than the arrogance of those without merit: for merit itself is offensive”.

    Could it be that what the PC worshippers are after, whether by design or by default matters not, is the destruction of the meritorious, the creation of the society of mediocrity? They had a goo d start with the comprehensive schooling, the thought criminalising is just another step in the same direction.

  47. The poorly educated Slav has n noticed his posting are crowding out everyone else. He’ll shut up for a while.

  48. Baron at 13-52.

    Keep on trucking,man:as we used to say.

    Yesterday the British Conservative,and Labour,MEPs voted for Lithuania to join the €uro(without a national referendum)—–except Emma McLarkine(Con.E.Midlands)who abstained.Most of the EFDD Group(inc.UKIP)voted against.

  52. I might have missed it but I don’t think I have seen any comment with regard to the disastrous Bill that is going through the House of Lords proposed by that horrid man, the never elected but roommate of the Blair creature namely Charles Leslie Falconer, Baron Falconer of Thoroton.

    He wants to rid the world of the old the dying the human inconveniences, by legal murder.

    An evil stupid man who previously said that he had done away with the position of Lord Chancellor only to be told that whilst he was in fact the Lord Chancellor he did not have the authority to end this loft position (he did not want to sit on the Wool Sack whilst the Lords were sitting) the man is a venal oaf.

  53. A massive tragedy, the loss of yet another Malaysian plane. The most likely explanation is the separatists are the culprits, Kiev is already pointing a finger at them. The one possibility that should be looked at is that the same group that disappeared the MH370 is also responsible for this atrocity.

    Malfleur, we need you. What’s your take on it?

  54. Baron

    My first reaction is that someone wants war with Russia and has grown impatient.

  55. Baron :20-09.

    The most likely scenario so far is that it was shot down by a BUK missile unit captured from the Ukraine Defence Forces by irregulars.Maybe some of the crew went over to the rebel side.As these are damned big units they are not likely to have been handed to them by the Russian Army….and it ought to be possible to track one down by satellite.

    Earlier today the EU parliament voted to support EU policy to Ukraine.This was supported by UK Conservatives and Labour.It was opposed by the group lead by UKIP;along with the `Euro-Gauche`group and the independents (inc.the Front National).

    A UKIP MEP asked what was the use of sanctions against a Russia which had withstood the siege of Leningrad and the Defense of Stalingrad.

  57. Good points, Peter, Radford and Malfleur, but another possibility is it was an error, a horrific mistake by either side, most likely the rebels. Apparently, there is a no-fly zone over the area declared by Kiev (only Kiev has planes), the rebels said they will not respect it (they have copters). What puzzles is the Americans and the Russians must know more, are not saying. Why?

  58. Malfleur @ 21:39

    War with Russia? Come off it, Malfleur. The Americans couldn’t defeat a bunch of camel herders, what makes you think they can beat the Russians. Twenty years ago, they may have had a chance, today, no way.

    More to the point, they have no money, the Republic’s unwashed wouldn’t stand for it. What if China waited abit, joined Russia in the end. The Yanks wouldn’t know what hit them, all parties have nukes.

  59. I see that the mantra of “disproportionality”, reserved for Israel and previously used by the former Foreign Secretary W. Hague, is being intoned by. N. Clegg

    http://rt.com/uk/173592-clegg-israel-gaza-ceasefire/

    Do we have anybody in charge of foreign affairs in the cabinet at the moment? It might be an idea.

    Oh yes, P. Hammond, fresh from degrading the country’s armed services as Sedretary of Defence, That’s alright then.

  61. Malfleur @ 23:36

    Agreed, it would be a smart move on our part to have someone in the foreign Office who has a good grasp of the brief. But then, the once great office of the State has been degraded, most of the money flows through the Department for International Development, the foreign department is a gay club now.

  63. Even though we don’t know who thought what, and when, we do have this comment:

    “[David Gleave, a former air accident investigator,] called into question the future of Malaysian Airlines, suggesting that the drop in bookings following the loss of MH370 earlier in the year would be compounded by the downing of MH17.
    Mr Gleave said: “It’s a terrible tragedy to lose one airliner, but to lose two is almost unthinkable.””

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10975008/Malaysia-Airlines-crash-Former-air-accident-investigator-says-Ukraine-Russia-tensions-could-hamper-investigations.html

    I do hope the West get their brains in gear before any action is taken. Remember, it was the EU eager for a bigger footprint that kicked this off – and the EU foreign policy chief ‘in charge’ at the time has vanished, even more than when she was in the job!

  64. One might also speculate that the muslims world-wide might get very upset if they came to think that Russia had shot down an islamic jet airliner…

  65. “Memorandum for the Secretary of Defense – Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba 13th March 1962…

    Pretexts to Justify US Military Intervention in Cuba…

    “…8.It is possible ts create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft had attacked and shot down a chartered civil airline enroute from the United States to Jamaica,Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight

    a.An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area.
    At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.
    b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and of the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida….”

    READ ON:
    http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf

    Now where could one get a duplicate of a Malaysian Airlines jet….?

  66. I know it’s only a draft, but a draft “report into the alleged Trojan horse crisis in Birmingham schools has uncovered evidence of “co-ordinated, deliberate and sustained action to introduce an intolerant and aggressive Islamist ethos into some schools in the city”.

    “The hard-hitting report may fuel tensions in England’s second city and raise questions about whether Britain has taken adequate steps to expose and uproot Islamism. It will also make uncomfortable reading for Birmingham city council as it accuses local politicians and officials of ignoring evidence of extremism for years, repeatedly failing to support bullied headteachers and putting the need to soothe community tensions ahead of all else.
    The report will provide a tough challenge for the new Education Secretary Nicky Morgan in only her second full day in post. Touching on one of Mr Gove’s flagship reforms, Mr Clarke calls for the Department for Education “to review the process by which schools are able to convert to academy status and become multi-academy trusts”.”

    Not much wriggle room there! Though I don’t think the problem schools were academies.

    “Criticising the council, Mr Clarke, [the former head of the Metropolitan police’s counter terrorism command,] says: “There was never a serious attempt to see if there was a pattern to what was happening in school governing bodies. The council’s approach has been variously described to me as appeasement and a failure in their duty of care towards their employees.”
    With access to internal council correspondence, he said there was “incontrovertible evidence” that senior officials and elected members of Birmingham city council were aware of the practices set out in the Trojan Horse letter as early as 2012.”

    Gove was right, which is not a surprise at all. I wonder if Cameron knew? All it would take would be to for him to trust his minister.

    The multi-cult-i LibLabCon party are running out of options.

    For those not acquainted with an “intolerant and aggressive Islamist ethos”, it’s just Islam, as practiced by the majority of Muslims in Islamic countries.

  67. Gove was criticised by a local MP and the Chief Constable for bringing in someone who would upset the apple cart and get to the truth:

    Gove criticised over ‘Islamist plot’ schools investigator
    “Senior police figures criticise Michael Gove’s “desperately unfortunate” decision to appoint a former anti-terror chief to investigate an alleged Islamist plot to take over 25 schools in Birmingham.”
    http://www.channel4.com/news/birmingham-schools-muslim-islamist-plot-michael-gove

    and a ‘local’ MP:
    Birmingham MP criticises Gove over ‘Islamist school plot’ investigation
    Having counter-terrorism expert investigate claims hardliners are taking over schools is provocative, says Shabana Mahmood
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/16/birmingham-mp-gove-islamist-school-plot-investigation

    No wonder they protested! And what do we do about them?

    Are they part of the solution, or part of the problem?

  72. found on the net

    Checking out at the supermarket recently ,the young cashier suggested I should bring in my own bags because plastic ones weren’t good for the environment . I apologised and explained that we didn’t have the green thing in our day . The cashier responded “that’s our problem today , your generation did not care enough to save our environment for future generation!”
    She was right about 1 thing we didn’t have the green thing in our day,so what did we have ?
    After some reflection and Soul searching on our day ,here’s what I remembered .
    Back then we returned milk bottles , fizzy pop and beer bottles to the store and the store returned them to the plant ,where the bottles were washed sterilised and refilled , so the same bottles were being reused repeatedly so they were recycled . But we didn’t have the green thing !

    We walked upstairs ,because we didn’t have escalators and lifts in every store or office buildings,we walked to the shops and didn’t climb into a 300 horse powered machine ,every time we wanted to go two streets away. She was right we didn’t have the green thing in our day !

    Back then we washed the babies nappies ,we didn’t have the throw away kind . We dried our clothes on a line ,not on a energy gobbling machine burning 240 volts ……wind and solar power really did dry our clothes !
    Kids got hand me downs from their brothers or sisters and not brand new clothing every time. But she was right we didn’t have the green thing in our day .

    Back then we had 1 tv or radio in the house , not a tv in every room ,and the tv had a small screen the size of a handkerchief not a screen the size of Wales !
    In the kitchen we blended or stirred by hand , we didn’t have electric machines doing everything for us.
    When we packed a parcel for posting it was wrapped in old newspapers , to protect them ,not styrofoam or bubble wrap .
    Back then we didn’t fire up an engine and burn petrol just to cut the grass , we used a push mower that ran on human power,we exercised by working so we didn’t need to go to the gym or health club to go on a treadmill run on electric ,but she’s right we didn’t have the green thing.
    Back then we drunk from a fountain when we were thirsty ,instead of using a plastic cup or bottle every time we needed a drink. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying new ones , and we replaced blades of a razor instead of throwing away when they went blunt, but we didn’t have the green thing back then.
    Back then people took buses and kids took their bikes to school or walked instead of mum being a 24 hr taxi service.
    We had only 1 electrical outlet in each room not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances, and we didn’t need a computerised gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellite 2,000 miles away in space in order to find the nearest pizza joint.

    But isn’t it sad that the current generation laments how wasteful we older folk were just because we didn’t do the green thing !!

    Please forward this if you wish another selfish old person who needs a lesson in conversation from a smarty-pants young person can read this. !

  73. RobertC
    July 18th, 2014 – 11:32

    Yes, I agree it was a properly wary response. I prefer Hague’s Yorkshire inflections to Hammond’s estuarial English and, pace AWK 1 (where is she by the way?), believe the former Foreign Secretary had more gravitas, post baseball hat anyway. Why was he asked to step down, by the way? Just musical chairs? I am reading his biography of Pitt the Younger and it’s not at all bad. Has Hammond written anything? Not that being able to write and speak well – or indeed to think – are any longer criteria for high office.

  74. Malfleur – 15:55
    I don’t think being an author is a good selection requirement for being a good Foreign Secretary: for evidence, I can give you Hague! 🙂

    The Telegraph’s Defence Editor, Con Coughlin, knows it’s the Russians’ fault!

    “Ukrainian government continues to point the finger of blame at the pro-Russian separatists.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10976314/MH17-plane-crash-West-must-stop-Putin-from-meddling-in-Ukraine-says-Con-Coughlin.html

    But an earlier post of mine has this link:
    Was Flight MH-17 Diverted Over Restricted Airspace?
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/was-flight-mh-17-diverted-over-restricted-airspace

    And also this:
    “Remember, it was the EU eager for a bigger footprint that kicked this off”

    Best to do what Hammond says, and it will help to avoid making a multitude of mistakes later. Thinking is required about the politics, which takes time, and we need to address the enormity of what has happened.

  76. RobertC @ 16:30

    It;s very doubtful we ever get the true answer, too much is at stake for all involved. It seems most likely it was a tragic accident, a mistaken identity of a plane, neither the rebels nor the Kiev lot could have in any way benefitted from it.

    If the diversion order proves correct, those issuing it must explain the reason for it, their motive may have been genuine, a storm or heavy turbulence reported by the pilot for instance. There’s a suggestion on one of the blogs that the re-routing was deliberate, Ukrainian Army transport planes were apparently using this flightpath supplying an encircled Ukrainian brigade, were shot at by the rebels. The coming ceasefire should allow the brigade to pull out of the encirclement, which explains the rebel commanders’ refusal to agree to it.

    If it indeed was deliberate i.e. those downing the aircraft knew it was a civilian plane, shot it down deliberately, then those responsible ought to be rounded up, get their due process, then shot. The lot of them.

    And you’re very right on that it was the EU that spent almost 400mn euros in the last two years backing protests, often violent protests, against the legitimately elected President. This was what changed Baron’s take on the undemocratic monstrosity. No renegotiation, out of the clutches of the empire building monster.

  77. This is quite long, but only because of the way it’s formatted.

    Few facts on the Republic:

    Altogether, 11 States now have More People on Welfare than they do Employed!
    Last month, the Senate Budget Committee reports that in fiscal year 2012, between food stamps, housing support, child care, Medicaid and other benefits, the average U.S. Household below the poverty line received $168.00 a day in government support. What’s the problem with that much support? Well, the median household income in America is just over $50,000, which averages out to $137.13 a day. To put it another way, being on welfare now pays the equivalent of $30.00 an hour for a 40-hour week, while the average job pays $20.00 an hour.

    Furthermore:

    There are actually two messages here. The first is very
    Interesting, but the second is absolutely astounding – and explains a lot.

    A recent “Investor’s Business Daily” article provided very
    interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International
    Health Organization.

    Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years
    after diagnosis:

    U.S. 65%
    England 46%
    Canada 42%

    Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received
    treatment within six months:

    U.S. 93%
    England 15%
    Canada 43%

    Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it
    within six months:

    U.S. 90%
    England 15%
    Canada 43%

    Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within
    one month:

    U.S. 77%
    England 40%
    Canada 43%

    Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million
    people:

    U.S. 71
    England 14
    Canada 18

    Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are
    in “excellent health”:

    U.S. 12%
    England 2%
    Canada 6%

    And now for the last statistic:

    National Health Insurance?
    U.S. NO
    England YES
    Canada YES

    Check this last set of statistics!!

    The percentage of each past president’s cabinet who had worked
    in the private business sector prior to their appointment to the cabinet.
    You know what the private business sector is; a real-life business, not a
    government job. Here are the percentages.

    T. Roosevelt……………….. 38%
    Taft………………………….. 40%
    Wilson ……………………… 52%
    Harding……………………… 49%
    Coolidge……………………. 48%
    Hoover ………………………. 42%
    F. Roosevelt………………… 50%
    Truman……………………… 50%
    Eisenhower……………. …. 57%
    Kennedy……………………. 30%
    Johnson…………………….. 47%
    Nixon………………………… 53%
    Ford………………………….. 42%
    Carter……………………….. 32%
    Reagan………………………. 56%
    GH Bush…………………….. 51%
    Clinton …………………….. 39%
    GW Bush…………………… 55%
    Obama……………………….. 8%

    This helps to explain the incompetence of this administration:
    only 8% of them have ever worked in private business!

    That’s right! Only eight percent—the least, by far, of the
    last 19 presidents! And these people are trying to tell our big
    corporations how to run their business?

    How can the president of a major nation and society, the one
    with the most successful economic system in world history, stand and talk
    about business when he’s never worked for one? Or about jobs when he has
    never really had one? And when it’s the same for 92% of his senior staff
    and closest advisers? They’ve spent most of their time in academia,
    government and/or non-profit jobs or as “community organizers.”
    They should have been in an employment line.

  78. Malfleur – 15.55

    Re: Hague
    I’ve seen his name mentioned on the inter tubes with regard to certain behaviours of men who lived at Dolphin Square, and there is a guy on You Tube who has spoken about his encounter with Ken Clarke, so I don’t know whether that had any bearing on Call Me’s reshuffle or not.

    Regarding Falconer’s Killing Bill, nobody has to my knowledge made any connection with remarks made a few years ago by Baroness Warnock when she said in a conclusion to some report or other that the elderly should really consider their moral position on whether they should burden the NHS by expecting treatment in the evening of their lives. Pretty much what the vile early Fabians were advocating nearly a hundred years ago.
    Why are the left so cruel, so anihilistic, yet so bloody sanctimonious too?

  79. Alas, I am cursed by crashing computers (how’s that for alliteration?) and so I can only read what others write, and not participate in cursing the wretches who control our very lives. After doing his worst to bugger up the military, Philip Hammond is now continuing his evil in new realms. He is a nasty piece of work, no doubt about it, and equal in caddish behaviour to Falconer. Pity the last mentioned can not just self destruct. When Shakespeare penned the famous words below, he hadn’t met Falconer, but Hammond certainly fits the bill!

    Let me have men about me that are fat,
    Sleek-headed men and such as sleep a-nights.
    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look,
    He thinks too much; such men are dangerous.

    Julius Caesar Act 1, scene 2, 190–195

  80. AW1 – 18:32

    Welcome back!

    Whatever Philip Hammond has done at the MoD, the Tories were given a curate’s egg by Labour, so I am not going to pass judgement on the man just yet. The MoD are renowned for their incompetence. If I recall correctly, they wanted to go into one war, just so they might avoid defence cuts! Which side are they on?

    Hammond stepped in for Owen Paterson and was on a televised discussion, held near Heathrow, and hence the Thames, about the flooding and was very effective. In fact I was impressed. My earlier post has a link to his well measured response to the latest Malaysian plane incident. I just hope he continues to do well. Times are desperate!

  82. RobertC
    July 18th, 2014 – 20:03
    Robert, I noted your comments carefully, but must only respond briefly, as I am using somebody else’s computer. Hopefully, in another week I will have a new one and will be able to join in our usual discussions. I am very wary of Hammond, and hope my fears are incorrect,

  83. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 – 21:01

    I am wary of all Tories, especially the Euro-Sceptics! Everything needs to be taken day by day. Is is difficult to judge when we do not know what happens between people. For example, did CMD demote Gove or is he needed as Chief Whip, a trusted position, and the new SoS for Education has the evidence to continue Gove’s agenda?

    On another matter, who would want to be an ‘average muslim’? Or an infidel for that matter. Our time will come, or so they think:

    New Islamic Caliphate Declares Jihad on…Muslims
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/07/new_islamic_caliphate_declares_jihad_onmuslims.html

  84. MH 17

    “The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.”

    (h/t Drudge Report)

  85. Irishboy
    18:08

    Baroness Warnock

    That was echoed earlier this year by Bill Gates as a justification for “death panels”.

    (See National Review, March 14)

  86. Baron

    What was the source of your statistics from the United States?

    By the way, they don’t seem to have yet factored in “Obamacare”.

  88. Baroness Ashton’s handiwork:

    “If readers have the patience to wade through EU bureaucratese, here’s what has probably really got Russia riled up. These are just two of the clauses in the new security agreement that Ashton signed on our behalf with the Ukraine’s new leaders:

    “ARTICLE 4 Aims of political dialogue 1. Political dialogue in all areas of mutual interest shall be further developed and strengthened between the Parties. This will promote gradual convergence on foreign and security matters with the aim of Ukraine’s ever-deeper involvement in the European security area.

    ARTICLE 7 Foreign and security policy 1. The Parties shall intensify their dialogue and cooperation and promote gradual convergence in the area of foreign and security policy, including the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP), and shall address in particular issues of conflict prevention and crisis management, regional stability, disarmament, non-proliferation, arms control and arms export control as well as enhanced mutually-beneficial dialogue in the field of space. Cooperation will be based on common values and mutual interests, and shall aim at increasing policy convergence and effectiveness, and promoting joint policy planning.

    The article is dated April 15th, 2014, so it was submitted WELL BEFORE the Malaysian plane crash (MH17) in mid July 2014.

  90. Malfleur @ 23:45

    Baron doesn’t know, the American friend who furnished the piece doesn’t know either. The actual data may not be accurate, the picture they convey can still be right. Baron has seen other statistics that show a similarly comparative standing for the US and Britain on healthcare delivery.

    The stats at the beginning of the piece are believable, too, what may have helped those who compiled them was they threw together all outgoings on he US welfare spend including Medicare and Medicaid, other.

    You disagree with any of it, Malfleur?

  91. RobertC @ 23:54

    That doesn’t surprise, Robert, the EU will try hard to make use of the Ukrainians, after all the country is the backyard of Russia. It remains to be seen whether the unwashed will be as compliant as the puppets the EU and the Americans installed.

  92. Malfleur @ 23:49

    Farage may be dipping into dangerous waters, he should not be that definite about stuff like the banking crisis, the price of gold, he doesn’t have enough data about any of it. His pontificating may be the trigger if people were to begin believing another meltdown is coming. The stability of the financial framework rests on the confidence in the system, once the confidence is dented, the whole thing can fall apart, and that’s not omething we need, we would all suffer, and that includes us on this blog.

  94. Baron

    “pontificating”? :

    “Farage was educated at Dulwich College, a public school in south London. On leaving school in 1982, he decided not to go to university, but to work in the city, trading commodities at the London Metal Exchange. Initially, he joined the American commodity brokerage firm Drexel Burnham Lambert,transferring to Credit Lyonnais Rouse in 1986.[12] He joined Refco in 1994, and Natexis Metals in 2003.[” (Wikipedia)

  95. Baron – I am astounded to infer that you consider that confidence in the financial system is undented.

    Btw, the stability of the financial framework does not rest on the confidence in the system – it rests on whether the framework is stable.

  96. Malfleur @ 01:12

    The man may b the brightest brain under the sun, Baron point was he doesn’t have the stuff one needs to judge whether the financial system is wobbly or stable, that’s all. Confidence can be dented even when the system is stable, people react to rumours, opinion formers, it’s a natural reaction of the human mind. Why do you reckon the stock market may be 10,000 today, 6,000 three days hence? Did the fundamentals of the companies that make up the index all collapsed in three days?

  97. Malfleur @ 01:20

    Banks are still the prime underpinning of the financial system, here and everywhere. Banks, the way they are set up, are always unstable because they take short deposits, lend long, call the money they advance to you, Baron, companies, sovereign states and everyone else assets. If those who deposit their money with the banks get the idea the banks have lent the money to the wrong you, Baron, companies … they run to the banks, ask for the money to be returned. This may bankrupt the banks, yet you, Baron, companies… may be doing OK.

    As things stand, Baron is hard put to see any black clouds on the horizon either here or in the Republic. If anything, things are improving, hence the fundamentals do not justify the scaremongering, it can only dent confidence, actually cause the system to erode, bring the collapse on.

  98. The Ukraine disaster is still hogging the headlines and will continue to do so until another sensation is ready for presentation to the public, in the meantime the conspiracy theorists are going into overdrive. Now, lets get one thing straight, the Russians are not fools, they are perfectly aware of what would ensue if they were to shoot down a civilian aircraft. The posturing of the Western leaders on this subject is sickening. The Russians are doing in Ukraine exactly what the British and Americans anted to do in Syria, and with much less justification. Stupidly, Russia armed an untrained and trigger happy mob, as we have done, vide Libya. The Russians are now trying to cover their tracks. Pointless. Also, Russia has a history of military blunders, ref. the Dogger Bank Incident when it 1904, the Russian Baltic fleet, on its way to Japan, encountered some British trawlers, which they mistook for elements of the Japanese navy. Not only did they fire on the trawlers but also on their own ships. The moral of this tale? more wars are ignited by cock ups than by design, which is a very good reason why the pig ignorant panjandrums of the EU should steer well away from this situation, and a fat chance there is of that.

  101. Malfleur – July 19th – 11:34

    MH can hit the nail on the head but, at other times, he does hit his thumb!

    He gets this right though: Baroness Ashton, the EU’s foreign policy supremo, has a last chance to show that she is not wholly ridiculous.

    Especially given my post on July 18th, 2014 – 23:54, re Ukraine’s ever closer union.

  102. Malfleur,
    I do not think that Max Hastings had to be bought, he presents himself as an historian, but his grasp of the subject is that of a metropolitan bien pensant who views history from the lofty citadel of left wing superiority. I did read a few paragraphs of his piece in the mail, but that was all, there is only so much of such tripe which I can tolerate.

  103. Are they running out of suicide volunteers, or is it a sick, snide gesture aimed at Christians:

    Donkey suicide bomb stopped by Israeli troops in Gaza
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10977818/Donkey-suicide-bomb-stopped-by-Israeli-troops-in-Gaza.html

    They have also been using dogs, which is a bit of a come down. They are not renowned for respecting these faithful animals:
    “Soldiers in the field have reported ‘multiple incidents’ of dogs trying to approach with explosives attached to them, according to the army.”

    The news gets more horrifying, more un-British, yet the West is still mesmerised by BB, etc!

  106. RobertC@July 19th, 2014 – 12:38

    well I was hoping they would be so impoverished by a massive inter muslim conflict that their danger level would be reduced.

  107. alexsandr – 13:03

    Don’t we all! But the article does explain what happened after the paedo died.

  109. Malfleur @ 10:59

    Very perceptive of you, Malfleur, sadly, no mor efootbal on the box until the next season starts later in the Autumn. Arsenal should do better, the parsimonious Wenger has spent few bob, got some decent players in.

    Stiil, football games, like them or hate them, are the only TV programme that is genuine, not interfered with, raw life albeit reserved only for the few boys who kick the ball, the passive masses, of which Baron is one, who watch them doing it.

  110. stephen maybery @ 10:52

    Wise words, stephen, and Baron learnt something new about the incompetence of the Russian sailors in the past, let’s hope todays naval bosses of Russia are better clued up.

  111. Just glanced at the rubbishy newspapers on sale, and see the tabloids are dafter than ever. I certainly do not like Putin, but he is no Stalin and certainly not insane. I cannot believe he organised the terrible murder in the air. Maybe I am wrong, but I think there is a connection with the plane that vanished over the ocean, and this latest dreadful mass murder. Somewhere, I am sure, is the hand of fanatical muslims in all this.

  112. RobertC
    July 19th, 2014 – 12:20
    As an animal lover, I wept reading the article, but it is nothing new. Even when not engaged in terrorism, arabs are cruel to their animals. Dogs are considered according to the lunatic Koran, unclean, those noble creatures far cleaner than the filthy vermin who ill treat them. Donkeys who work ceaselessly until they drop from neglect and starvation are despised. “Donkey” in Arabic is a term of insult, as is “Dog”.

  113. The Daily Mail tells us that:-

    Thousands of Iraqi Christians today poured out of Mosul after ISIS jihadis gave them an ultimatum – convert, pay or face death.

    The Islamic State terror group declared that Christians must either convert to Islam, pay a special tax or leave the city, around 250 miles north-west of Baghdad.
    If they did not do so by noon (9am GMT) today, there would be ‘nothing for them but the sword’, it said.

    As militants attempted to break government defences in strategic areas and edge closer to Baghdad, Christians fled to join hundreds of thousands of Shiite and other refugees in the neighbouring autonomous region of Kurdistan.

    Their escape to the safety coincided with the expected homecoming of Iraq’s Kurdish president, Jalal Talabani, after 18 months of medical treatment in Germany.

    When will the west stop defending the so called good peaceful Muslims? There is no such thing.

  114. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 15:01

    Anne, you have Baron’s backing, he too keeps thinking ‘why another plane from the same Muslim country, are these eoople jinxed, or could something yet more sinister lurk behind this tragedy’.

    It is extraordinary, is it not, dozens of planes have passed over this chunk of land, and it falls to another Malaysian plane to get hit. Two expensive pieces of hardware, immeasurable grief of some 500 families in less than four months coupled to the same airline, airline run by Muslims.

    More to the point, the Boeing apparently had 100 medical and other Aids experts on board (that should certainly ensure Vlad’s burial, 100 ordinary people, or even 100 young innocent kids would have been be bad, but 100 HIV experts who could have saved bearbacking gays, that’s unforgivable). They were off to a conference somewhere in Australia.

    Putin may not be on friendly terms with the gay community, but he hasn’t yet executed any, the countries that are ruled by the ROP have. It would be interesting to know whether the wreckage has bits of a BUK rocket, or bits of a home assembled explosive device.

  115. Well, well, well! What is going to happen next?

    Council helped Islamists to bully heads out of schools
    “A council helped helped hardline governors to bully head teachers out of schools and impose their own agenda, according to a report on the radical Muslim “Trojan horse” plot to infiltrate schools in Birmingham.
    The report, commissioned by Birmingham city council, was highly critical of the authority, which not only ignored the problem but made it worse by helping to remove besieged heads rather than support them, it said”

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/education/article4151318.ece

  116. MSN leads with the following news below, the fact that Labour MP Diane Abbott, Baroness Jenny Tonge and Respect MP George Galloway are in agreement with the protesters is a reason not to support this protest

    Thousands of protesters gathered in London today to call for an end to Israeli military action in Gaza and “justice and freedom” for Palestine. Up to 15,000 people are expected to march through the capital from Downing Street to the Israeli embassy in Kensington.

    Sarah Colborne, director of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, said: “London has already shown its outrage at Israel’s attacks on the mostly refugee population of Gaza, with people turning out in their thousands last week.

    “Today’s national demonstration will give people from across the country the chance to say enough is enough, Israel’s siege of Gaza and its occupation of Palestinian land has to end now.

    “People want justice and freedom for the Palestinians, and they will be voicing this in their thousands.”

    Labour MP Diane Abbott was among the speakers to address protesters as they gathered in Whitehall. “I am here to show solidarity with the people in Gaza,” she said. “We call for an end to the occupation and justice for Palestinians.”
    Pro Palestine supporters carried placards with the messages “Gaza, stop the massacre” and “stop Israel’s war crimes”.

    Protesters arrived at the Israeli embassy but were met by a police blockade preventing them from getting near to the building. A number of high-profile Palestine supporters addressed the crowd near to the embassy.

    Respect MP George Galloway said nearly 300 passengers aboard the Malaysia Airlines MH17 flight had been killed “without a reason” by “fanatics”.
    He went on: “The 300 Palestinians are completely ignored by the same newspapers, by the same television stations and by the same political leaders who are threatening sanctions and war against Russia but who are supporting, with weapons and money and diplomatic political and media support, the Israeli killers.
    “In fact, if whoever fired that missile in Ukraine had fired it instead at the beach in Gaza, the media could have knocked off for an early lunch and saved themselves all of this work.

    “Why the double standard? Why is the blood in Ukraine so much more noteworthy than the blood in Gaza?”

    Addressing the crowd, Baroness Jenny Tonge said: “What on earth is Israel doing? It has lost its legitimacy, it is no longer a democratic state. “It breaks international law, Geneva conventions, it has no respect for human rights. Israel must leave the international family of nations.”

    Organisers repeatedly told the crowds to spread out during the speeches over fears people were being crushed. Two children were pulled over a barrier close to the stage and one organiser said 10 people had fainted in the crowd.

  117. David Osset,
    So, the usual suspects were parading through London today, and the usual self regarding prats were spouting off in the same old fashion. Israel is the only friend the West has in the Middle East, which is probably the reason Galloway et al hate the country. Mossad is one of the most efficient intelligence agencies, and our well being and safety may depend on their friendship. I would rather depend on Mossad than the murderous terrorists of Hamas and Fatah. Let us analyse what all this is actually about, it is anti Semitism. Those who are agitating against Israel are anti Semitic, they do not have either the guts or the intellectual honesty to say they do not like Jews, so they fall back on hatred of Israel, but what else would you expect of the likes od Abbot, Tonge and Galloway?

  118. “…I worry for my country — Britain. It is a country that is finding it so difficult to integrate the millions of Muslims who have come here that (in a figure that ought to be better known) there are now at least twice as many young British Muslims who have gone to Syria to fight alongside ISIS and other such groups, than there are Muslims fighting for Queen and country here in the British armed forces.”

    Douglas Murray writes for the Gatestone Institute:-

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4404/the-greatest-possible-problem-for-europe

  119. stephen maybery
    July 19th, 2014 – 20:02
    I agree 100% with your posting. Abbott, Tonge and Galloway are truly an unholy trinity.

  120. Noa
    July 19th, 2014 – 20:59

    Who let so many in? On what basis? With what logic? With what purpose? Islam, in calling for the murder of Christians, Jews and “infidels” generally, is a criminal ideology. Isn’t there any group which is prepared to give prominent answers to these questions, to hold those responsible to account,, and reverse the numbers?

  121. Noa,
    Who let them in? Labour, with the purpose of creating a client state who would vote for them, and they succeeded. Hoards have entered this country from God knows where for God knows what, and on arrival given the vote, accommodation and the public dole. The ruling elite are perfectly aware that the overwhelming majority of the British people are against this state of affairs, but such is their arrogance and contempt for majority opinion, they are convinced they can ignore that opinion. Come May 2015 a lot of people are going to get an almighty shock. Can’t wait.

  122. stephen maybery
    July 19th, 2014 – 22:22
    If only! But seriously, Stephen which people “are going to get an almighty shock”? The Labour party? But are the other two parties any better? The Conservatives have become gelded and Clegg’s gang are just ass crawlers. Nice thought, but honestly can you see a mass stampede to vote UKIP?

  124. Baron @ 13:33

    I think you have put your finger on a central anomaly in the MH17 affair, even though elsewhere the diversion of the flight path has been explained on grounds that the pilot “felt uncomfortable” with the agreed route or that the pilot diverted to avoid a thunderstorm.

    In April last year there was an attempt by western power centers to engage Russia militarily in Syria where the pretext was that the Syrian government had used chemical weapons against its supporters. That was shown to be false and that it was the western sponsored rebels who had launched the rocket in question as a provocation.

    In the present case, as an example of other anomalies in the narrative which we are being asked to accept, the document presenting the text of the supposed conversation between two pro-Russian rebels acknowledging the destruction of the airliner was created on July 16th. The aeroplane was brought down on July 18th.

    As I noted above at July 18th, 2014 – 03:49, with chapter and verse, pretexts for justification of military intervention where no such justification is readily available and which pretexts can include the downing of civilian airliners would not be a novelty for our government and allies.

    On this occasion, is there some vital British national interest at stake – or just the interests of a criminally-minded clique? Perhaps time will tell..

  126. David Ossitt @ 19:27

    What has been called “the unholy alliance” of the Left and islam and its anti-democratic ideology should have a light shone on it in the approach to May 2015.

  128. Anne,
    You are absolutely right, there is not so much as a fag paper between the main parties, they are all contemptible. No, I do not think there will be a mass stampede to UKIP, but a shift in direction enough to put the wind up the lords of Westminster. I’ll give you an example. A few months ago a couple of young lads, and I mean young, barely scraping twenty, came to my house top do some work. When they had finished, one of them turned to me and asked, what is Whitechapel like? Not being one to mince my words, I gave it to him straight, “Wall to wall wogs”. He nodded sagely and said “I thought that but I did not like to say so”. My heart sank, two young boys bullied and cowed to the point that they were wary of voicing their opinions. Naturally I do not know how they will vote, but I suspect they would gravitate to a party which promises to curb this unchecked flood of immigrants who contribute nothing but take so much. Anyway, I live in hope.

  129. I hope the following won’t dent anyone’s confidence here in our steadily improving financial system:

    “Unlike the prosperity induced by Volcker’s deflationary utopia, we now have the dystopia of massive economic imbalances created by central bankers that have completely replaced market forces in the determinations of interest rate and price levels. And it is central bankers’ complete incomprehension regarding the healing forces associated with deflation that will cause the next collapse to be exponentially worse than the financial crisis of 2008. Inflation has not been defeated at all, but rather it is any hope of deflation and economic stability that has been wiped out.”

    (King World News – Michael Pento)

  130. stephen maybery

    May be we could popularize an acronym that would escape the net of the politically correct. www?

  135. Malfleur @ 23:13

    But it conveys a macho impression, don’t you think, Malfleur? Baron must make thw sam e mistake again on more appropriate blog, see the reaction of those indulging in it.

  136. telemachus @ 07:09

    Glad you here, Baron cannot reply, or rather did on the Delingpole blog, the postings got censored. Stupid.

  138. Baron

    With reference to your enjoyment a while back of a review by Roger Scruton in Standpoint magazine, you might like to know that Mr. Scruton has an article on opera in the current issue which I found very interesting, “Opera is not just our most expensive noise”.

    Furthermore, it is mentioned at the foot of the piece that Mr. Scruton will be giving an introductory pre-performance talk prior to the premiere of a new English opera to be performed on Thursday 24th July in the Britten Theatre at the Royal College of Music.

  141. Two cabin crew refused to fly on doomed plane over war zone safety fears: Senior pilots and cabin crew flagged concerns about flight path weeks before tragedy
    * Airline staff refused to fly over airspace deeming it too dangerous
    * Two Ukrainian planes, a fighter jet and a transport aircraft, shot down by rebels on the flight path
    * BA, all US airlines, Lufthansa, Air France and Qantas already avoid war zone in Ukraine
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2698579/Two-cabin-crew-refused-fly-doomed-plane-war-zone-safety-fears-Senior-pilots-cabin-crew-flagged-concerns-flight-path-weeks-tragedy.html

    Refusing to fly a route is quite a decision to tell your employer.

  143. Malfleur @ 11:53

    Thanks, Malfleur, Baron will look into it, report back if he can attend.

  144. RobertC @ 12:26

    If what the guy says is true, and he seems to be an expert, and we are to buy these contraptions, it’s treasonable.

    Baron enjoyed the answer to ‘which plane would have won in free competition’. The guy said not the F-35, an European fighter, not because these are any good either, but because they are no as bad as the F-35. Boggling.

  145. RobertC @ 2:54

    The answer Baron would like to hear is to the questions ‘did the plane divert from the fixed fly path, and got lower, who issued the instruction, and why.

    Notice that everyone, and that includes the MSM focuses on the big picture, kicking dictator Putin, blaming his men in east Ukraine …. Nobody talks about the specifics of the flight. Why?

  147. Baro – 14:00 ‘F-35’

    I thought you would like that!

    The problem is that it piles more troubles onto the MoD budget, helped by earlier Labour decisions. I did read that Liam Fox had made a good start and while it might be easy to blame Hammond, Labour did leave a mess.

  148. I don’t have too much time to post these days Wallsters. Having got bored with retirement I took a highly lucrative consultancy contract in the Defence industry in Lincolnsire.
    This has had the advantage of allowing me to avoid all those extra jobs ‘She who must be Obeyed’ kept finding for me, and I avoid tripping over the KIPPERS and partners’ littering my lounge floor.
    There are sound reasons for working on, beyond the privilege of keeping the world’s illiterates migrants in the style to which Cameron wants them to become accustomed.

  150. With Owen Patterson’s Telegraph article, and now this, the tipping point is approaching:

    Foreign secretary says status quo ‘not in Britain’s interest’ and he would vote to leave without renegotiation of UK relationship

    Asked if he would still prefer to leave the EU rather than accept the status quo, he replied: “I haven’t changed my mind. If there is no change at all in the way Europe is governed, no change in the balance of competences between the nation states and the European Union, no resolution of the challenge of how the eurozone can succeed and co-exist with the non-eurozone, that is not a Europe that can work for Britain in the future. So there must be change, there must be renegotiation.”

    Hammond said he accepted that “Britain gains enormously from being inside the European single market”, but added that overall the status quo was “not in Britain’s interest”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/philip-hammond-vote-europe-eu

  152. Peter-thanks I tust both are well and just otherwise engaged…

    Baron

    “…The guy said not the F-35, an European fighter, not because these are any good either, but because they are no as bad as the F-35. Boggling.”

    I remember working on the possibility of creating a naval version of the Eurofighter Typhoon, quite feasible and cheaper than the bank busting F35 Lightning alternative. But the billion or so already spent on F35, US Defence pressure and the continuing pusillanimity of New Labour meant that it would never be.
    The future I think, will be in pilotless aircraft and intelligent missiles, which won’t require white elephants of aircraft carriers.
    Of course when we run out of money to pay for these ineffectual baroque military technologies we’ll be reduced to fighting with sticks and our bare hands to defend ourselves from the enemy within.

  153. So:

    The Don Cossacks capture an ex-Red Army missile launcher from Petlyura’s Nationalists and accidentally shoot down a civil airliner;and the world blames Tsar Vladimir Grozny.

    “Everything passes away–suffering,pain,blood,hunger and pestilence.The sword will pass away too,but the stars will still remain when the shadows of our presence and our deeds have vanished from the earth.There is no man who does not know that.Why,then,will we not turn our eyes towards the stars?Why?”

    Mikhail Bulgakov.The White Guard.Moscow;1924.

  154. Noa @ 18:55

    You must feel proud to have worked on a project like this, Noa, at a time when it still mattered.

    Whatever one may think about the world at large, it’s not smart at all to cut back on our armed forces. Down to 80,000, that’s what only Vlad has down south near the Ukrainian border.

    Take this latest tragedy with the MH17, a leading Dutch paper calls for NATO troops to be deployed in the area iimmediately, a move that would more than likely push the KGB colonel to respond, send in his men, and before anyone realises what’s hit us, we have another war in Europe and beyond.

  155. RobertC @ 16:48

    Agreed, Hammond’s sentiment’s right, but Baron doesn’t trust them anymore, it smells of electioneering, the Tories’ve done it before, they make noises, then come back saying ‘it wasn’t doable, things have changed bla bla’.

  156. Radford NG @ 19:33

    A fitting quote, Radford. Baron’s rather impressed you know of it. You’ve also dug it out at the right time, the timing couldn’t be bettered because it describes events in Ukraine after the 1917 revolution. Baron read it years ago in Russian (it was banned, circulated in samizdat only), remembers little of it, it was published, believe it or not, by the KGB in the 70s, but not in Russia.

  157. Kerry, the pinocchio lookalike, only without the charm, who’s t he US Secretary of State has gone around the TV studios in the US urging the EU to impose tougher sanction on Vlad. Baron smells a rat here.

    The Republic can impose any sanction it likes because it does little trade with Russia (although few big names in business have placed adds in US print media urging the US politicians not to be hasty). The US is also energy self sufficient. Europe isn’t, Germany in particular buys alot of oil and gas from Russia, as you know, will get hurt if sanctions covered oil and gas (the one commodity that would hurt Putin, too).

    Having closed down its nuclear reactors, the Germans have to burn more coal, a massive amount, and the worst kind, the surface or ‘brown’ coal. If they cut themselves also from Russian fossil fuels, the economy and the consumers will suffer. Is this what the Americans want? It might be for they fear Germany’s strength within Europe, they would prefer more ‘balanced’ Germany, more equal with the other countries of Europe. The messiah has said so in the past calling it ‘a healthy Europe of equal partners’.

    We shall see what the Frau comes up with. So far, she has advocated restraint, cool thinking.

  158. “On Thursday, July 17th, the Islamic State (IS) [another name change for Al Qaeda!]– formerly the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS)– released a statement demanding the Christians in Mosul either to convert to Islam, paying the jizya (tax on non-Muslims), leave the city, or be killed. The threat was to be implemented on Saturday. It is being reported locally that by noon yesterday, every Christian had chosen to leave.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/20/After-2-000-Years-the-Last-Christian-is-Forced-to-Leave-Mosul

    And guess who finances Al Qaeda/ISIL/ISIS/IS?

    Time for England to ensure that, here, along with their financiers IS becomes WAS .

  159. HAMAS – rats now running through tunnels and popping up trying to slaughter innocents. But the innocents are fighting back and the cowards don’t like it when the guilty (that’s non-comms that say nothing) get caught in the justified retaliation.

    HAMAS – Hiding Amongst Mosques And Schools.

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