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Iis everyone like me fed up of hearing about Madeleine and the sanctimonious parents?
One is one and all alone and ever more shall be.
That must make me a Lily-white boy.
Huktra October 15th, 2013 – 10:00
“Iis everyone like me fed up of hearing about Madeleine and the sanctimonious parents?”
Yes I for one am, it is not that I do not sympathise with their loss, to lose a child must be dreadful but to lose a child through their own utterly selfish negligence must be too much to bear.
That they were unknowingly complicit in the abduction of their young daughter has brought them years of misery and a huge cost to the Portuguese Police, the English Police, the BBC, the courts Etcetera.
These are two well-educated reasonably affluent upper middle-class professionals, who left not one, not two but three infants without a baby sitter, in a holiday flat while they ate, drank, laughed and conversed with friends.
Had they been Wayne and Waynete leaving three babies in a holiday-caravan whilst they drank beer and had chicken in-a-basket at a local boozer, they would have had the two youngest taken into care and then put up for adoption, they possibly would have then been charged with criminal neglect and would have served time at her Majesties pleasure.
huktra
October 15th, 2013 – 10:00
Of course I am saddened that such a fate falls on a child. BUT, I think the parents are arrogant, and if they were ‘ordinary’ people, social serviced would have taken the two babies into care. Who in their right mind leaves children of that age unattended? It is against the law, and against all common sense. Certainly I would not want to use that mother as a paediatrician. All we need now, to complete the sickfest is Cameron and his moany wife blabbering on.
I will have some comments on Tommy Robinson and Edward Snowden (gone but not forgotten) when I have a little time to organize my thoughts.
In the meantime, I have now seen the programme on State TV One called “Sunday Morning Live” comprising State presenter Samira Ahmed and a Luton resident named Inayat Bunglawala and with Esther Rantzen and Tommy Robinson who share a different ideological outlook – but there was balanced diversity.
I have to say that, since he left the English Defence League, Mr. Robinson does not seem to have changed his position on islam in Britain by one jot or one tittle, despite the urging of one of a useful idiot on the show to apologize and repent.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/10/tommy-robinson-on-bbc-one/
By the way, in the clip showed by State TV on the programme, Mr. Robinson complies with the request of the bearded one to remove his shoes when visiting a mosque but does so to reveal that he is wearing Union Jack socks. Nice one, Tommy! A bit like Nigel Farage’s flag on his desk at the European parliament…
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And talking of serial criminals, Mr. Robinson of course, I notice that numerous former military men and women in the United States who had served in earlier wars, particularly disabled, crippled amputees with artificial arms and legs, engaged in serial breaches of the law in Wahington D.C. yesterday when they forced their way past government-erected barricades at the World War 2 Memorial, broke chain locks on that government property, and carried off some of the barricades to place in front of the gates of the White House, where they again broke the law by failing to disperse when ordered, assaulting the police and generally behaving in a manner displeasing to the Stae and to law enforcerment officers some of whom had no doubt dedicated much of their adult lives to public service.
Fortunately, the police moved in with batons against the amputees and a major threat to liberty was defused by the People’s security forces. The Memorial has been re-barricaded and the chain locks replaced.
Let’s hope that none of those crippled ex-military have any designs on a leadership position, as I could not give my support to anyone whose character was tainted by illegal acts. We must have people of unblemished character both at home and in the USA. although I realize that I am not qualified to comment on events so far away from England.
Huktra, mixed feelings. But feelings are never a good guide. I hope the child is found or at least what happened is determined.
When something really matters to people they don’t let go. What really matters to us? Are we making as much of a fuss?
At a time when Sky News is devoting a whole week to proselytising the benefits of immigration for Britain; the wonderful richness that ‘diversity’ has brought to our hitherto ‘stultified and boring culture’, perhaps we could take a moment to look at the effect of imported barbaric alien customs through the eyes of someone who is somewhat more critical of the consequences:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4017/uk-muslim-underage-marriage
Whose idea was it, I wonder, to mount this inimical propaganda campaign? What pressure was applied and whence did it emanate? Who within the hierarchy of the Sky News set-up came up with, or sanctioned, the project? WTF is going on here folks? Think I’ll take a look at the structure of the Sky News management strata and and try to discover who has managed to grasp the levers power in this influential opinion forming entity.
This is what happens when culture dies. The radar comes down and a bit of sun and a tax-free salary seem like Utopia.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2458728/Lauren-Patterson-British-teacher-murdered-Qatar.html
And there’s no comeback from that globalist multi-culti fraud.
Misread it and you will end up in a coffin.
huktra 10:am. No.
huktra, I don’t think the parents are “sanctimonious”. That was an absurd choice of words. They are clearly tortured. Knowing that it was their own error which led to their little daughter’s tragedly must make every day unbearable.
One evening, they made a terrible error in judgement and they will pay for it for the rest of their lives.
The governor of Sicily declares state of emergency due to the large numbers of migrants it is having to deal with http://t.co/yhyh5aoriV
This is what happens when you give one set of people special cultural licence over another.
They will just apply it to everything, legal or not.
‘Look how far we’ve got in bending the legal system,’ they think.
‘Wow, everyone’s frightened of us. Let’s see what else we can get away with.’
And as we all now know, this is only the tip of the iceberg.
That their cultural licence is over the indigenes just makes it more insulting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2460812/Married-physics-teacher-37-blackmailed-schoolgirls-Britain-sending-sexually-explicit-photos-themselves.html
I’m guessing this didn’t make Sky News’ propaganda week about immigration.
In response to John birch above, Sicily shouldn’t be having to deal with “migrants” (illegal aliens) at all. It is an independent country and can decide who gets to land there and who doesn’t.
All “migrants” (opportunists after Western largesse) without the proper documentation should not only be shipped directly back whence they came, but the cost of their return fare should be paid for, by extracting the money from their wallets, purses and wherever else they’ve hidden it, by the “migrants” themselves. This should not have to be shouldered by the taxpayer in the developed Western countries.
In fact, some of what they have hidden on their person should be confiscated to pay the fine for landing without legitimate documentation. It’s their problem. These compulsory repatriations and fines should be well publicised.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2460704/One-10-dole-claimants-outside-UK-Cameron-moves-limit-access-benefits-foreigners.html
Cameron is going to “limit access” to Third and Fourth worlders with their gums firmly fixed on the British teat? Whoaaah! Cameron, Action Man!
No one who is not British, or a legally landed immigrant, should have access to any money at all from the British taxpayer. Zilch. Zero. Nada.
They took the chance, they got caught. They’re criminals. No civilised country imports foreign criiminals. As I say above, they should be sent directly back, and money confiscated from them to pay their fare back.
They should also have to pay a fine for a criminal act – landing without papers.
Fact of the Day: The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution by decisions of the American Supreme Court applies to any weapon used by the US military.
October 15th, 2013 – 14:01
One evening, they made a terrible error in judgement and they will pay for it for the rest of their lives..
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They left the children alone night after night, and the kidnapper(s) saw a pattern. Very tragic, but inexcusable.
Verity
October 15th, 2013 – 14:01
“huktra, I don’t think the parents are “sanctimonious”. That was an absurd choice of words. They are clearly tortured. Knowing that it was their own error which led to their little daughter’s tragedly must make every day unbearable.
One evening, they made a terrible error in judgement and they will pay for it for the rest of their lives.”
I agree with this. Who among us has never made a bad mistake, one they regret very much? Yes, the McCanns were very wrong to act as they did, but they have paid for it a hundred times over, and will go on paying for it, for the rest of their lives, unless (and I doubt this very much) Madeleine is found alive. I have the most heartfelt sympathy for them, and I admire the way they have managed to keep it in the public eye all these years and not allowed it to be forgotten.
Once, many years ago, I (temporarily) lost my young daughter on a crowded Italian beach, and I’ve never forgotten the horror of thinking I might never see her again. What the McCanns are going through can hardly be imagined.
Just heading home from an inspiring afternoon with Mr. Boot and a long list of books to read.
As the Coffee House Wall has some of the characteristics of a commonplace book, the following from Ecclesiastes which I just came across seems apt to post here for those of us who are trying to find out and understand what is going on:
For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
Lesley C. – 16:53 ‘tortured?’
I concur. On occasion, I do get fed up, but the parents have to live with it every day, not knowing. It is one of those occasions when God is useful, as in “There but for the grace of God go I”.
The current activities appear to show how dreadfully inefficient the Portuguese police were at the time, which either means that they are a third world country or they are entwined with those whom they should be fighting against.
I have seen unsubstantiated posts that say that the demand comes from high ranking national and international politicians, which is why Savile was protected until after his death. It is too dreadful to believe.
Yes, there are other children and parents in the same position who are not on TV but, while this continues to happen, nearly everywhere it seems, having at least one existing example on the TV may help to warn others.
Birmingham is ‘national disgrace’ says Ofsted chief inspector
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10380523/Birmingham-is-national-disgrace-says-Ofsted-chief-inspector.html
“Birmingham, Britain’s second city, has been branded a “national disgrace” and one of the worst places to grow up in the developed world.”
Oh the irony! Do they know they are doing it?
If they could all understand the same language, say English, it might help!
It must involve a touchy subject as posting comments is not available.
Huktra
Anyone who is a mother will understand that the loss of a child is the loss of a part of you.
You will do anything, go anywhere and say anything to get news even if bad.
Kate has my sympathy.
Gerry does not generate the same sympathy.
Birmingham is indeed a national disgrace.
And London must be put in the same bracket.
Indigenes have simply upped and fled.
I have lost count of the number of horror stories I have heard from UK inner cities.
He/she is the only white child in the class.
We are moving out of the inner city to somewhere else because he/she has learnt nothing for the past three of four years.
The white teachers spend all their days giving themselves pats on the back for teaching the other children English.
Our child already speaks English and so has no reason to go to school and has nothing to motivate or stimulate their learning.
They have learnt nothing new for the past four years.
Just watched a white adult spend all its time teaching its peers how to speak English.
It’s never an education crisis.
It’s never a housing crisis.
It’s never a spitting crisis.
It’s never a too-much-traffic-on-the roads crisis.
It’s an immigration crisis.
Day in, day out. Seven days a week, for 24 hours a day and 364 days of the year.
It is wicked beyond belief.
Re birmingham
BBC reported last night that the meat in school dinners contained DNA from different animals from what it was supposed to be.
Not good 🙁
Peter
the black link to the current weekly thread doesnt work…
The one at the top of the page does tho.
Shock waves across France as Front National win cantonal by-election in Brignoles,Var,S.E.France with 53-9% against the `Sarkozy`UMP at 46-1%. The FN are top in national polls at 24%. SEE http://www.france24.com/en/20131013-french-far-right-party-wins-local-election-national-front-fn-lopez
RobertC October 15th, 2013 – 17:49 “Birmingham, Britain’s second city, has been branded a “national disgrace” and one of the worst places to grow up in the developed world.”
RobertC’s comment above has reminded me; that a couple of weeks back Rory Sutherland “The Wiki Man” who has a bi-weekly column in the Spectator mentioned ‘Manchester’ as the UK’s third city.
I immediately took pen to paper (actually index-finger to key-board) and fired off a missive to the Spectator pointing out that Manchester was in ninth place and that Leeds had the honour of being in third place and furthermore that Yorkshire had two other Cities Sheffield and Bradford in 5th and 6th place respectively.
Did the Spectator Acknowledge? My email, did they buggery.
City Population
London 7.2 Million
Birmingham 992000
Leeds 720000
Glasgow 560000
Sheffield 512000
Bradford 467000
Edinburgh 450000
Liverpool 440000
Manchester 420000
Huktra @ 10.00
Like you Baron can no longer stomach the couple. As David Ossitt says (10.58) one has sympathy, but enough is enough. It’s their guilt that fuels the obsessive desire to find the girl, but should the whole world share their remorse? They are not the only people who lost a loved one, know not where the vanished is.
Radford NG October 15th, 2013 – 19:38
“Shock waves across France as Front National win cantonal by-election in Brignoles,Var,S.E.France with 53-9% against the `Sarkozy`UMP at 46-1%. The FN are top in national polls at 24%”
Hip-hip-hip hurray, the sun has got his hat on and the FN is out to play!
Radford NG @ 19.38
Not a word about it on the BBC. Had it been the other way round, the Le Pen outfit losing badly, it would have been a leading item for days for the ‘objective’ tossers.
The result confirms what Baron has suggested to you before. The dissatisfaction with the Brussels hydra is by far more widespread within Europe. And not only are the unwashed in the donor countries increasingly fed up, a large population segments of the new entrants aren’t happy either. Give it a couple of years and the construct has every chance of cracking up, getting downsized, morphing into a pure trading and economic zone.
Joany October 15th, 2013 – 19:21
“It’s never an education crisis. It’s never a housing crisis. It’s never a spitting crisis.
It’s never a too-much-traffic-on-the roads crisis. It’s an immigration crisis.
Day in, day out. Seven days a week, for 24 hours a day and 364 days of the year.
It is wicked beyond belief.”
Correct in every particular (your whole post that is) and to save anyone else the bother, let me categorically state the problem in one word.
Muslim.
Malfleur at 11.00
Why the obsession with this chap Tommy Robinson? A direct confrontation has never been the preferred way of converting the masses in this good old country of ours. Not even the unionised mobs with Arthur at the helm, shouting, breaking things, making a nuisance of themselves, carried the day with the public. More to the point, being imitative of the Islamic hordes put him and his pals into the same basket, something one has to avoid. It’s the underdog that carries the day here.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 October 15th, 2013 – 16:48
“They left the children alone night after night, and the kidnapper(s) saw a pattern. Very tragic, but inexcusable.”
Anne whilst driving us to lunch today I said as much to my beloved, she was silent whilst I reminded her that when ours were young and we were on little money we kept them with us each evening, in later years when finances were better we paid junior hotel staff to baby sit night after night or kept them with us.
After I had had my say I asked her what did she think?, she said that it was a form of arrogance, when I said ‘surely not’ she said they are both doctors, as such would they have recommended or sanctioned such behaviour with a patient, answer, no certainly not, therefore they were arrogant.
I think that my wife might be right.
David, I don’t think the one word problem is Muslim but Immigration. There are 600,000 Europeans here on the dole and another couple of hundred thousand on Jobseekers. These also are part of the problem.
David Ossitt – 20:03 ‘what happened?’
For two doctors in the NHS, they were, near enough, at the top of the tree in their community. They probably lived within it, it was their community, where trust was the norm and most facilities were provided, with little effort required. Nice, if you can get it, but it does mean that, outside this cocooned environment, they were very vulnerable.
I don’t think they really realised the risks. They went on holiday, which is supposed to be a fun time, to a foreign country, to an uncontrolled area and tragically, they didn’t adjust.
For those who have to battle with finding their own child care etc, going on holiday is just an extension of what happens at home.
David Ossitt – That was the first time they had left the children in the hotel room alone (which, obviously, was ridiculous, even for one night. They had been putting them in the nursery, but apparently Madeline wouldn’t settle in the nursery and they eventually gave up trying and decided to leave them in the room. Robert C above, please note. They tried the nursery time after time and Madeleine refused to settle. The kidnapper(s) couldn’t have seen a pattern, as you write, as this was the first time the children had been left in the room alone rather than with a baby sitter. Understandable up to the point of Madeline not settling down in the nursery and the necessity of letting them stay in the room.. But why no adult staff member paid to babysit for the evening? There were babysitters available in the hotel.
Their tortured faces wring my heart and I am sure they have cursed themselves ten thousand times for their terrible mistake.
P from M – Everything else can be dealt with (although why aren’t the jobseekers on Jobseekers’ Allowance in their own countries?) but, given the mafia that has been running the country in collusion with Common Purpose since Maggie stood down, there doesn’t seem to be the will to do anything about undesirable foreigners. This is partly due to government by fiat in Brussels.
The British must see that a vote for UKIP in any upcoming elections, city, shire or national, must be for UKIP. Or, we should simply ignore the EU and do what is best for the country regardless.
Verity – 20:56 ‘Madeleine’
I cannot see arrogance as a reason. I find that conclusion illogical.
And I don’t think your extra information necessarily disproves my theory. To be fair, though, I don’t know if it can be disproved(!)
Only I drive my car, so I rarely check the fuel level until I have driven a good few miles. If I shared a car, would I check the fuel level every time I started the engine? I would like to think so!
RobertC – 17:49 ‘Birmingham’
And he [Sir Michael Wilshaw, the Ofsted chief inspector] suggested that the city council, the biggest local authority in England, might have to be broken up to tackle the affects of a “failure of corporate governance on a grand scale” dating back decades.
Will those failures who have already retired and those to be dismissed keep their local government pensions?
You bet!
Verity, I imagine the Jobseekers Allowance is much less, or non-existent in Poland, and so many Poles come here to claim it and we provide it.
P from M – Then they should tell their equivalent of MPs that they want it instituted and they want it NOW! Why do we allow the failure of the Polish state to turn into our problem? It’s Poland’s problem. The voters should demand that it be fixed.
David Ossitt
October 15th, 2013 – 20:03
David, your wife is a wise woman.
New buzz word(s) Under the radar
Hilary Benn is upset about the racial prejudice shown by landlords and agents. I am upset too. I am disturbed that EVERY SINGLE AGENT SHOWN ON TV WAS A MOSLEM. The British blacks (thank G-d few in number) who become Moslems, should remember that it was Arab slavers who were the ones who bought and enslaved Africans, and as the Moslem agents of today, controlled the trade and did the dirty work. What interests me, is what happens if a Black Moslem wearing a towel on his head comes into an estate agent’s office and wants to rent?
AWK1 15th, 2013 – 22:08
“New buzz word(s) Under the radar”
Sorry…not that new, unless you count in use for 30 years as ‘new’ (and 50 years in military terms.)
October 15th, 2013 – 20:08
“David, I don’t think the one word problem is Muslim but Immigration. There are 600,000 Europeans here on the dole and another couple of hundred thousand on Jobseekers. These also are part of the problem.”
You have a fair point.
I will amend my one word to two, Muslim immigration.
Verity October 15th, 2013 – 20:56
It was not a hotel (if only it had been, busy with staff and residents) it was a holiday apartment.
I am so terribly sorry that their tortured faces wring your heart out, and yes privately they must have cursed themselves ten-thousand times but as you say they gave up trying to find some kind of care and did decide to leave an infant and two babies alone in the night, so they could make merry.
“To me it’s so apparent what’s unfolding, but because most people don’t want to confront something which there is no easy answer to, they just stick their heads in the sand and ignore the fact that the West is in serious decline. As a committed Westerner, and as a guy who was born in the United States and who has loved the country all of his life, I find this whole situation to be incredibly tragic. I find watching this whole collapse unfold to be one of the most difficult things I’ve had to experience in my entire life. ”
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/10/15_There_Is_No_Rule_Of_Law_In_The_United_States_Anymore.html
AWK 22:17 – Sorry, but have to agree with Ostrich (occasionally). “Under the radar” has been around for yonks.
David Ossitt – It was a holiday compound run by management, and they always had several baby sitters available. Or the children could be put into the creche while the parents were away, and picked up when they got back. The problem was that Madeline wouldn’t settle in the creche and was tired and cranky and disruptive when they picked her up and she wouldn’t sleep when she got back to their flat.
That is why they left the children in the flat. I have never read of the reason they did not hire one of the baby sitters the compound had on call. Anyway, they tried putting her in the creche several times, but she created a fuss and upset the other children and her siblings. They not, as you say, “give up” on trying to find safe care. Madeleine was cranky and crying on the occasions they put her in the creche. That is why they left her in their apartment. Why they didn’t hire a baby sitter remains a mystery. But she had been put in the creche with her baby brother several times and she was disruptive.
Malfleur 00:17 – Yes watching your civilsation being pulled down around your ears, and your government postively contributing to the downfall, is, to put it mildly, a nightmare. The lone voice in the wilderness of British politics and its commitment to the commie BBC and the treacherous Common Purpose, is UKIP. Nigel Farage, who I used to know vaguely, comes across as articulate, worldly and very much on the qui vive. I think hundreds of thousands of British (not foreigners, to whom we unaccountably give the vote) will go with UKIP at the next election, rather than vote for any representative of the two treacherous parties.
What the British should be demanding right now is, voting for British citizens only. Only thusly can our civilisation and ancient folkways be preserved. Mass deportations. We need a Marine LePen in Britain!
Ostrich (occasionally)
October 15th, 2013 – 23:20
What I should have said is it is new, in the sense that the BBC keep using it, like once they employed ‘robust’ or some other words.
Baron
October 15th, 2013 – 20:02
I do apologize to the feudal poster but the obsession I have is with liberty.
[scornful laughter; scattered boos]
Mr. Robinson’s right to lead a peaceful public assembly obsesses me.
[groans; waving of order papers]
Your parallel with Arthur Scargill’s leadership of the coal miners closed shop is tendentious and false.
[communist! get off! sit down! get yourself your own blog!]
You confuse “direct confrontation” with the right of peaceful assembly.
[(cultured voice from the back) only the eastern European nations know anything about liberty, Sir!
Waycist! (fighting breaks out)]
Your notion that it’s the underdog that carries the day here is touching.
[cabbages, rotten eggs and rotten tomatoes are thrown in the old tradition – Malfleur, as underdog, withdraws]
Buzz words: Culture. It used to mean either opera, art, literature etc, or germs. Now everything has it – gun culture, bonus culture, management culture… listen to Today if you can bear it and count the number things that have culture in today’s new media culture (especially in BBC Culture).
Malfleur 1:57 – V good! Enjoyed it!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2461443/Jimmy-Savile-tapes-damn-police-The-special-treatment-allowed-DJ-escape-justice.html
Of course the Police were obsequious – at that stage, the vile perv was technically innocent and they rightly recognised the truth regarding his charity work. (Just imagine the outcry if the accusations turned out to be false but caused his fund-raising to cease.)
Now, Plod and his SS mates kick in the door and steal computers and phones on the say-so of any member of a minority, be they trollops, pikeys or sheet-heads. The law is clear in the UK – innocent until proven guilty. But in the topsy-turvy world of ‘rights’, any minority member is taken as an honest, truthful citizen, whilst the (9 times out of 10) truthful, honest citizen is hauled away, locked up and has their rights severely trampled.
The actions and attitudes of many in the UK Police Farce exceed those of so-called law Officers in many African and Eastern nations. Perhaps the fact the UK is full of dross and flotsam from those parts of the planet is the root cause of the Police action.
If that is the case, then the UK Police Farce needs a purge. The lawbook needs a purge. And the Country needs ridding of the dross and detritus that have dragged a once-great nation to its knees.
And as the useless Police Farce announce that in 2 years, they’ve seized so many indecent pornographic images of children, it would take 20 years to prosecute everyone involved, they continue to give cautions for rape and cannabis possession.
If the argument is that it takes too much time to prosecute (which is certainly the argument where cannabis is concerned), perhaps we should treat Child Pornography with the same gravity – a caution. Some supercilious prat added: ‘I’m told there are 85,000 prison places in the UK and that gives you some indication of what would actually happen if we actually got up one morning and arrested all these people….so we have to have a plan that goes beyond law enforcement’.
Perhaps if the UK started throwing out the crooks who shouldn’t be in the UK, using the murderers, rapists and drug dealers as organ donors and deporting all first generation offspring of immigrants back to the land of their parents if they offend, there might be enough places for the pervs.
Meanwhile, Jimmy Savile remains safely dead.
‘ Iconic ‘ is another irritating buzz word
Anne Wotana Kaye 1, October 15th, 2013 – 22:08
Re: New buzz word(s) – channeling
– re-imagining
– twerking
– selfie
– girl crush
Re: New buzz word(s) – onesie
“Brompton” Old word, new meaning
A popular brand of fold-up bicycle carried on to overcrowded London bound commuter trains by selfish twats aka cyclists aka ‘Organ Donors’.
“Are you going in the BMW today, Dear?”
“No, I’m taking The Brompton”
Yes, “The Brompton” something that one takes to assist one’s passage from this life into the next.
@7:52
Old word, alternate definition, same meaning!
As always, e&oe
@Verity 16th, – 00:58
“(not foreigners, to whom we unaccountably give the vote)”
‘Way back in 1949, it infuriated my parents that despite the Republic of Ireland having finally dissolved any connection with any body, ceremonial or otherwise that called itself British, all of its citizens resident in the UK (economic migrants/refugees we’d call ’em these days) automatically had the vote. The only reason they could come up with was that the UK government was hoping that, one day, they might reach out and feel for Mummy’s hand.
Doesn’t seem to have gone too well so far. In the intervening while, I wonder how many times those votes swung elections the wrong way.
Verity @ 4.05
Seconded. Baron also enjoyed the charmingly expressed, supposedly truth hiding rant.
By objecting to what Tommy’s crowd often got up to in no way suggests Baron’s against liberty. It may be an underwaist kick, but could anyone locked up in the Ljubjanka infamous hotel of no star rating facing the death penalty not appreciate liberty?
Still, you have seen one of their ‘peaceful’ demonstrations? Baron did, and what he witnessed may have been peaceful when it began, the part the blue veined barbarian saw could only be called peaceful by someone who would have called Adolf the friend of the Jews. It may have been exceptional what Baron observed (nothing appeared in the press, even the local press gave it a miss), but he didn’t like what he saw abit..
You see, my blogging friend, Baron reckons any movement that involves gratuitous violence, baiting of the opponent with bottles, thrashing things not only cannot be entrusted with power, it shouldn’t be.
Shall Baron tell you what the EDL boys should have done? Gone into the people, help the old with shopping, clean their flats, repair few things whilst telling them ‘we are EDL, we are the guys who do as would have been done in the good old days when communities helped each ….. vote for us, we will try to bring that spirit back’.
You follow?
We will only win over if we change the laws that govern us, the EDL may have or still is aiming at the same change, it’s their tactical approach that Baron doesn’t like.
EC-07.52 – The Brompton Care Pathway? ROTFL!
Malfleur 01.57 Lol! -And I absolutely defend your right to support the serial criminal and fifth Yaxley-Robinson and your right to criticise and insult those who disagree with you.
You should on that basis, accept the right for others to reciprocate in full.
Correction to my post of 11.58am:-
“…And I absolutely defend your right tosupport the serial criminal, fifth columnist and ‘snout’ Yaxley-Robinson…”
Baron-10.59. Yes. Absolutely right. Which makes the greater impression and gets the positive headlines? A demagogue and rabble rouser, or some constructive propaganda? I hate to say it but…..
http://www.lep.co.uk/food-drink/preston-food-day-was-huge-success-1-5924661
Cut-out police are coming soon to enforce the law near you.
http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/meet-the-police-s-latest-recruit-1-6150655
Coun Cartwright added: “…Congratulations to whoever thought this up, because if we can’t have real police officers there with speed guns then cut-outs will do…”
No doubt cut-out judges and prisons are in the pipeline.
No need to worry folks. The Trojan Horse in Britain is still under construction…
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4018/islamist-trojan-horse
A little literary gem from Austin Barry waxing fluent on another platform:
>> What have Londoners gained from the London housing bubble?
Austin Barry • a day ago
From its gangsta’d inner suburbs to the bidonville catastrophe of East London; from its Southall shed-dwellers to its reconnaissance platoons of Roma, London is fast descending the evolutionary ladder.
A tragedy imposed by our ruling elites who gaze down, with languid indifference, from the salubrious heights of Primrose Hill and Hampstead Heath on this metastasising mess of a city.
A tragedy. <<
Sky News (Immigration Propaganda Week) to note. Give Mr Barry a half hour slot before the week has ended, please.
And lest we forget what’s going on quietly, day in and day out …
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2462051/15-000-civil-marriages-years-bogus-1-5-weddings-migration-laws.html
Predicate the issuance of a marriage licence subject to, in the case of a muslim name cropping up on either the “bride” or “groom” subject to a short questionaire. Go round to what they registered as their home. If both the couple are actually living together, question them separately (“Where did you meet? How long have you known each other? What is your husband’s/wife’s favourite colour?”, “In what country does his mother live, and what is her name?” “In which town did your “husband” grow up and in which country?” “How long has he been in Britain?” How many brothers and sisters does he have?).
Fake marriages should be punishable by imprisonment of both parties.
Oh, and deportation of the groom after he has served his sentence. Or to save money, just photograph, finger print and DNA the groom and ship him to wherever the next plane flying to an islamic country is headed.
“Fake marriages should be punishable by imprisonment of both parties.”
In Pakistan or Bangladesh.
From the DM:
“Florida murderer who raped and killed woman is left writhing in agony and takes twice as long to die as he is executed using new untried lethal injection drug”
🙂
I forgot to add: “Oh, dear.”
Ostrich (occasionally) – Well, do you have faith, so to speak, that Pakistan or Bangladesh would keep them in prison, or that politicians would just pocket the free money and drop them off on a street somewhere? We’re talking Pakistan and Bangladesh here.
I cannot unserstand how people can even consider buying Royal Mail shares. Our post is delivered, or not delievered more often, by people who cannot speak English and do not understand numbers, nor street names. Paid for an expensive P.O. Box number, but no better. Mail fails to arrive, but I get other people’s post in its place. Manager, charming, apologetic. His excuse, “The numbers are similar”. Good job it’s not a bank account! How long before the bubble bursts, and people turn to courier services, which are so more reliable?
Apologies for typing errors. With that English, perhaps I should apply for a Royal Mail job!
@Verity 16th, – 16:07
“do you have faith, so to speak, that Pakistan or Bangladesh would keep them in prison, or that politicians would just pocket the free money and drop them off on a street somewhere?”
Since they’d be THERE and not HERE I’m not that bothered, actually…as long as they’re dropped off penniless. Perhaps we could specify that B-Ds are dropped off in Pakistan and vice versa?
Having seen a photo of an Indian airport where a plane made an emergency landing, I noted that all the emergency staff were in high viz jackets. How I wish I had bought shares in high viz when it first came out! Parking boys in Mexico wear them … and since they only work for themselves, for tips, they think it makes them look more official to buy their own high viz jackets.
They are literally everywhere in the world. One could have made a fortune!!
Ostrich (occasionally) – Do I have faith that the Pakistanis would keep them in prison? Of course not! Do you think I’m crazy? Someone would siphon off the money and put it in bank account in Switzerland. Who cares? Let them roam the streets of Karachi, not our cities.
Frank P @ 12.36
Thanks for the gem, Frank, and here’s an idea. Instead of just copying Austin you may consider ending your voluntary exile, joining him on that other platform.
Also, if Baron may point out to one small, not at all significant, quite unimportant, paltry by comparison to the local cuisine, negligible in scope, hardly noticeable to anyone but the shed-dwellers of Southall (and Baron) – a curry house called Gifto.
If you or any other Wallster ever venture (however unlikely it may be) to the vicinity of this establishment, do go in, sample the offerings. The ambience ain’t anything to shout about, the guys who cook and serve, however, are friendlier and more attentive than most of those in our average eatery, and the food? Well, you have to try it, judge for yourself.
And if you don’t fancy a curry, you may look into the local supermarket, run by the same shed-dwellers, supplied by UK farms and imports. A large bunch of parsley, coriander, basil that will last you a week at least, still be fresh for 60p, a third of Tesco’s price, three boxes of three large Pakistani mangoes (when in season), each fruit double the size of the largest orange for a tenner, a two pounder box of Israeli dates for £7.50 …..
Does Baron’s telling you all this suggest he’s in favour of more Southalls? Not at all, he isn’t, enough’s enough, but he reckons that since we cannot push the clock back we better make the best of what we’ve been lumbered with. Call it pragmatism if you will, it seems the best way out of the predicament. Harking at them won’t make the short lives of ours any happier.
Verity @ 17.26
Viz jackets: Broking backwards, Verity, is the easiest thing to do. When Google launched, Baron was offered few shares, declined. Arghhh
A pensioner who trafficked a deaf and mute orphan into the UK, using her to milk the benefits system, has been found guilty of repeatedly raping the girl.
Ilyas Ashar, 84, sexually abused his vulnerable victim again and again, Manchester Minshull Street Crown Court heard.
Two female jurors wept as guilty verdicts were delivered on 13 counts of rape.
The girl, an orphan from Pakistan who is profoundly deaf and cannot speak, was beaten and slapped and forced to work for Ashar and his family as a domestic servant.
John Birch, and she was only 10 when she was traficked and the Muslim man began to sexually abuse her.
Noa @ 12.23
The piece is quite balanced and doesn’t imply it’s all free sailing for the jihadists. What if fails to highlight is what underpins it for us and them. Cut off the oil money and the Arab States have left BA. We, on the other hand, are unlikely to completely lose what it was that made our society such a magnet. Add to it our regaining more self-confidence and they’re toast.
In case you question the regaining of confidence consider the case of the opposition to the EU; the success of UKIP here, Le Pen’s in France, and the AfD in Germany (it came close to getting over 5% in the Sept. election). Things are changing, will change more.
John Birch @ 20.15:
In Baron’s book, the man would be a sure contender for the rope. Cheap, effective and the best deterrent devised by man ever.
And his family that knew about it should not have more than a month to clear off.
Baron – 20.35
It’s not a question of self confidence my blue veined friend, (are you related to a stilton by any chance?), it’s the profound, socialist engineered changes in the population and our society; the result of the systematic destruction of our constitutional democracy, traditional values and educational system, allied with a fast growing, soon to be in the numerical majority, which will destroy us.
Baron
Given their habitual propensity for fraud, tax evasion, general dishonesty and a lack of respect for my values, I operate a total boycott of Indian and Pakistani businesses; including taxis, curry houses, takeaways and cash and carry emporia.
In my part of England there are still, just, sufficient businesses of our own people who can provide our requirements,
The girl, who weighed just 4st 8lb, was taught to sign her name by the family, who used her to claim more than £30,000 in benefits which they kept.
The Ashars, who have five children, own and rent out properties in the Salford area. They also own property in Pakistan, including a factory, and are understood to have links to a market stall.
Ilyas Ashar was found guilty today at a re-trial of 13 counts of rape.
He was found guilty last year after trial of two counts of trafficking a person into the UK for exploitation.
His wife Tallat Ashar, 68, was found guilty at the same trial last year of two counts of trafficking a person into the UK for exploitation.
There is so much to say about this story it’s hard to know where to begin.
Noa.
Agree with all your points, but you left out the claim about one of the girls who went missing in one recent trial.
She went into the kebabs.
Would you trust them not to do it and feed it to us.
John birch – 21:38 ‘The Ashars’
Send them to the World Cup!
Brazil’s biggest drug cartel promises a ‘World Cup of terror’ as violent demonstrations take over the streets
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2462638/Brazils-biggest-drug-cartel-promises-World-Cup-terror.html
Baron 20:35 I am not sure I agree with you. Personally, I favour lethal injection, as it can go wrong, as it did with that murderer in the US who took two hours (or something like that) to croak. They were trialling a new toxin and apparently, it doesn’t work very fast.
I think a month, as you suggest, for his family to clear off is overly generous on your part. Twenty-four hours would be my fiat, although if they turned stroppy, I might reduce it to twelve.
RobertC
I would be happy to send them anywhere as long as they don’t stay here.
John Birch
The way in which Lancashire Constabulary’s continuing mishandling of the trial and investigation of the murderers of Charlene Downes, resulting in those accused of her murder being awarded £250,000 each in compensation, is a national disgrace far exceeding the plebgate scandal, where arguably,the main victim has been the colossal self regard of Andrew Mitchell.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/278192/news/the-truth-about-charlene-downes-and-blackpools-paedophile-gangs.html/
Good old Flashy!
Mr Hitchens in light heart…
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/10/flashman-revisited-the-genius-of-george-macdonald-fraser.html
“Galloway later commented that the last time he had seen an Israeli flag was at an EDL rally last week, saying that he found it “not surprising” that “fascists” should want to fly the Israeli flag. ”
(The Cherwell)
Hm. Let me think about that for a moment.
Baron @ sometime or other
“..the part the blue veined barbarian saw could only be called peaceful by someone who would have called Adolf the friend of the Jews.”
Ah yes.
What is to be said about this? Where to start? You can take the Czech out of the propaganda, but you can’t take the propaganda out of the Czech?
Oh, frightfully sorry old boy, was that below the waist? Awfully rotten of me I know. But what’s a chap to do when another fellow says a thing like that, what?
Theodore Dalrymple continues to write beautifully and sadly on times past and things going to the bad.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/142217/sec_id/142217
He also has in the same edition this fine piece on boxing which, reading through, I sometimes thought might stand as a metaphor for blogging…but then again I didn’t:
http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/142212/sec_id/142212
“…. former shadow home secretary David Davis said: ‘What the IPCC did here was trust the police, as the public do generally, and unfortunately what this demonstrates is that the police cannot be trusted …”
No shit, Sherlock!!!
Yall still there?
You Limeys can be excused for a chuckle this morning.
Our Commie President has won this round for the sake of the Markets.
But we cannot go on spending more than we earn.
Even your Pink Cameron understands that.
Clear Memories
October 17th, 2013 – 04:41
Police and politicians – a plague on both their houses!
Noa,
Re: “The Brompton” End of Life Cyclepathway
I’m thinking of launching a new model of a fold away bicycle called “The Dignitas.” Jumping red lights at busy road junctions will cause the wheels to spring off and the frame to fold up. Investment funds from transplant charities expected.
All quiet on the rattlers today. “They” must be preparing their SturmRadmachinen for their Friday evening Blitzkrieg.
Malfleur @ 3.26
The poorly educated Slav doesn’t get it, you have to spell it more clearly, my blogging friend, unless propaganda represents Baron’s saying he saw a rather rowdy crowd, few broken chairs, mass of squashed soft fruits, the occasional missile….
Well, there was for a while a tangible piece of evidence. A friend of Baron’s got his ear pierced during the propaganda, wrong place, but a solid attempt by whoever it was who released the piercing tool. And no, neither Baron nor his friends were in it, it was just that he (the friend) was too eager to get to a bus stop.
So it is a rather underwaist kick on your part, or is it……
(Apology’s in n order: you may have noticed Baron’s trying to be too clever by less than half, adds to the richness of the language by twisting well established turn of phrase combinations e.g. doesn’t give half a toss, until the cows not only come home but ….. Not particularly clever but who knows, one of the twists may take roots. They did it alot when the bard was around. In this instance the new offering may sound particularly clumsy, as Malfleur kindly hinted, and if it did offend your ear Baron says once more ‘sorry’.
The voters voted for it, but did they realise what they were voting for?
“At least five state schools had no pupils who spoke English as a first language last year amid a continuing rise in immigration across the country.
Figures show that all children at a series of primary schools in the Midlands and North West speak other languages such as Punjabi Urdu, Arabic, Dari and Polish in the home.
It also emerged that there are a further 240 state schools in England where more than 90 per cent of students do not have English as their mother tongue.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10384260/Revealed-the-schools-where-every-child-speaks-English-as-second-language.html
It shows that integration is not happening.
RobertC @ 10.06
One bright spot. I have noticed that the offspring of foreigners speak a far better English than the native born. Also, in numeracy and literacy they excel over the untermenschen who are left here. Most of the educated, and better classes of English people have fled these shores. I am unashamedly an Elitist, and it sickens me to see what years of Marxist government has done to a once great country. Maybe, just maybe, a brighter future lies in the hands of these alien children.
£ http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/industries/banking/article3896697.ece
But the headline is enough!
“Prince of Wales accuses pensions funds of failing savers
The Prince of Wales has accused the £2 trillion pensions industry of failing the interests of millions of savers.
The Prince claimed that the short-termism of City investors was increasingly unfit to provide for an ageing population
Charles said he feared that the next generation of pensioners would be “consigned to an exceptionally miserable future” if the industry failed to mend its ways.”
I don’t think fear comes into it, and neither does the industry’s behaviour! With Birmingham is ‘national disgrace’ (says Ofsted chief inspector. RobertC – Oct 15th – 17:49)
While his comment may be partly true, there are rogues in every industry, the accusation has always been thrown at them. What he doesn’t mention is the his Mum’s advisors (the Government) do not even mange short-termism! And then there is QE. If industry had less red tape to deal with etc, it might be able to generate some wealth. Without it, it is just shuffling money around, with everyone taking a cut! Raise the bank rate: that would help savers! LOL.
May be he is angling for a safe London Labour seat in 2015. There are none around Sandringham and Balmoral is a bit far. I would have thought Green may be a possibility; they do like windmills, and the subsidies.
The masses could always start saving! The unemployed start working. That would free up some cash!
May the Her Royal Highness remain in good health!
Anne, I don’t think it true the educated and better classes have left England. This blog itself is evidence that is not true. Some have, but many remain.
But as to the future, how can the future of England lie in the hands of those who are not English? Something must happen before they come of age and have their own non-English children or there can be no England. Repatriation of all unemployed EU and non-EU citizens and their families would be a start.
Peter from Maidstone @ 11.16
Agree that once this country falls into the hands of the aliens it will cease to be England. But, this is already happening. Drastic steps should have been taken years ago, the clock is ticking and soon it will be too late. Too many Bleeding Hearts and soft liberals to take on the task of ridding this land of unemployed and employed EU and non-EU citizens.
Anne, then those of us who are not Bleeding Hearts or liberals in the modern sense must act!
Perhaps HRH might take another look at the pension industry and give us his views on the one-eyed Scottish bastard who rigged the pension tax allowances system to remove a billion stirling a year to waste upon socialism.
And perhaps His Royal Tree-huggerness might proffer his thoughts on the wisdom of a man who sold all Britains Gold, at around $250 an ounce, when the price went up to $2,000 an ounce.
That’s the same mad bastard who got rid of boom and bust (until the world blew up in his face). Now he takes an MPs salary and, inconceivably, does even less for it than all the other tossers.
Gordon-fucking-Brown, the man who stole your pension and gave it to every undeserving wastrel under the sun (as long as they weren’t English)
Peter from Maidtone@11.42
100% support your suggestion. I know I have the body of a weak, feeble woman (familiar?) and am nearer 80 than 70, but willing to act!
PC Boot defines his terms in obeisance to Socrates:
http://alexanderboot.com/content/let%E2%80%99s-get-rid-roy-hodgson-and-half-dictionary
Feed the monkey, indeed.
First the Metropolis, then the second city…
http://uk-mg42.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.partner=sky&.rand=b2q2upefad4u2#mail
AWK 11:24 “Too many Bleeding Hearts and soft liberals…”.
They are not “bleeding hearts” and they are not liberals in the classic sense. They are scheming, malicious evil-doers. Let’s not get confused here. They are taking over the country in a slyer, more efficient, but just as destructive way, as Hitler essayed.
There is evil at the heart of Britain today. And those who object to the programme are stamped with an “intolerant, narrow-minded Little Englander”:
– “this is the 21st Century” One Worlder stamp. And those schemers on the left, at the top, grin and rub their hands In anticipation.
Verity
October 17th, 2013 – 14:08
What you term them, defines Bleeding Hearts and Liberals for me. There are also other terms, but they are four-letter words which I try, not always successfully, not to use.
PfM – 11:16 ‘the future of England’
Everyone has a view, and they are all equally valid. I mean, for example, do we bother teaching children right from wrong?
It is just that some views don’t work out as expected!
Once we can get over that little difficulty, we may have a chance.
Morrissey’s ode to himself…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/10385528/Morrisseys-Autobiography-10-funniest-bits.html
EC-09,01
Who cares about the Royal Mail when such opportunities are coming to market?
I can hardly wait for the public offering in order to fill my boots!
No doubt the new model is based on the following product trials.
And is that Tommy Robinson, waving the triallists on, in the very first scene?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF3kAoLusAg
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 October 17th, 2013 – 11:24
“Peter from Maidstone @ 11.16 Agree that once this country falls into the hands of the aliens it will cease to be England. But, this is already happening.”
Anne please do not despair all is not lost, much of your opinion must derive from what you see and hear all around; living in London, as I think you do.
I do belief that your spirits might lift if you were to take frequent short visits away from the Capital.
Three or four days visiting Harrogate, York or possibly Scarborough or Filey would lift your spirits, if staying in York or Harrogate you could avail yourself of having Lunch at Bettys Tea Rooms, Harrogate still has the original and also a new tearoom at Harlow Carr RHS Gardens, York has two also, one on Stonegate and one on St Helens Square.
It might sound a bit trite mentioning ‘Bettys’ but you will see that even though the man who first set up the business was Swiss; these establishments are old fashioned English to their very core, and in none of the towns suggested will you encounter anything offensive to the eye, if you know what I mean.
David Ossitt
October 17th, 2013 – 16:19
David, thanks for your kind and thoughtful posting. I do use every opportunity to escape from the inner-city horrors, and spend time in lovely rural surroundings. Now winter is approaching, I find pleaure in the great museums and art galleries, but one day I woud love to visit the North, as I have travelled widely in the South and South-West, but never to the places you have mentioned. By the way, when my second cousin, a pilot, was demobbed from the RAF, he became the manager at Butlins in Filey!
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 October 17th, 2013 – 11:02
“I have noticed that the offspring of foreigners speak a far better English than the native born.”
Have you noticed that the white youth are emulating the speech the West Indian, one particular hate of mine is when they use the words axe, axed, and axedem when they are actually meaning to say ask, asked and asked them.
Another hate that is now prevalent in all of the soaps is the absent ‘T’ it is missed off the end of and middle of words, one horrible example comes to mind, where the Christian name Peter is spoken without the ‘T’, try it, it actually hurts the vocal-cords, something like Pee-aah.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 October 17th, 2013 – 16:32
“By the way, when my second cousin, a pilot, was demobbed from the RAF, he became the manager at Butlins in Filey!”
The year after my father was demobbed from the RAF, he, mother and I spent our first post-war holiday at Butlins Filey.
I loved it but was given a good telling off when one evening, I was bored whilst sitting listening with all of the adults to a piano recital, I practiced my whistle through two fingers, it stopped the show.
David Ossitt
October 17th, 2013 – 16:19
David, I bet my cousin Henry roared with laughter. He was a terrific joker and caused his wife much embarrassment at times. Perhaps your father and my cousin knew each other?
I hate the way the letter ‘H’ cannot be pronounced. Even the BBC speakers pronounce it HAITCH – ugh!! Not nice, innit? That’s my daugh’er (daughter). Professor Henry Higgins would have gone beserk!
A programme has just been announced on BBC which will consider the case of the family killed in the Alps in 2012.
Why am I annoyed that they are announced as a British family? They were manifestly an Iraqi family. The BBC even describes them as a Surrey family.
There is nothing wrong with being Iraqi. We don’t need to make people what they are not. It diminishes their own heritage and ours.
Clear Memories at 11:54
Seconded, Clear Memories, every word of it.
The politicians would never consider it, but we should push for a statute that holds them to account for decisions that have disastrous consequences but on which we, the unwashed, were not consulted.
A representative democracy it may be that underpins our system of governance, but recent experience suggests it cannot be fully relied upon. We must mould referenda into it. That would do more good than switching from FPTP to any other electoral system.
Peter from Maidstone@19.05
There is everything wrong with being a Moslem Iraqi! They are cruel, intolerant and very spiteful.
Anne, I mean there is nothing inherently wrong in not being British and therefore no need to assert that everyone is British when they are not.
David Ossitt at 16:19
You, young sir, are getting perilously close to Baron’s take on things, his theory of ‘the healthy core of Englishness’, that largely invisible, often maligned, unrewarded, and certainly-not-favoured-by-the anointed body of men and women working slowly, patiently but assuredly towards one singular end – a conversion of the raw imports into something that may one day resemble themselves.
Not that every conversion will happen as planned, there will be hopeless cases, cases that will end up in a dustbin, but the vast majority of the new additions to the stock of this country will fit in nicely.
As Baron keeps pointing out to you, it cannot be any other way for the British way of life is the one every common sense man or a woman must desire – to live in peace, raise a family, have a job, grow flowers or carrots, have the occasional pint …..
Baron, there are already 8 million immigrants with 1.5 million children. They are not British. They will not become British. What they will become and what we will all become will not be British.
Many migrants may well want the sort of life you describe, but they have no right to have it here, and being here will destroy the scattered remains of the life you suggest they want. It is not possible. Our way of life is not compatible with the philosophies they bring to our shores.
The only possible action in the future is to require a great many of these migrants to return to their homes. Unless this takes place Britain will cease to exist.
Peter fM and Anne:
Baron would never miss an opportunity to kick the BBC monolith, he also knows not what the legal status of the “Surrey’ family is, but if they got naturalised, carry British passports then it follows they are British whatever their place of birth. If the BBC were to mention Boris Johnson one wouldn’t expect them to say ‘the Turkish man Johnson….’ Or you reckon it will be only the children of their children who could call themselves British?
If, as Anne says, they are ghastly, intolerant and whatever they shouldn’t have been granted citizenship. That’s another matter, and it would be the Home Office that ought to account for it.
Objecting to the process of the granting citizenship here may not get you very far for every country operates something similar, only the conditions for applying differ. That includes the Japanese, who make it almost impossible for anyone to join.
Peter from Maidstone at – 19:47
But, Peter, how come that the waves of immigrants that reached this island before now have become British?
Peter fM:
and another thing:
If Baron were told one day he wakes up, looks through the window, sees pigs fly then opens a paper, reads about Britain forcefully repatriating immigrants. If he then was asked which is more probable, Baron would always go for the former.
If Britain were to kick people out, Peter, it would cease to be the Britain you so desperately want to preserve.
And, incidentally, the majority of the 8mn immigrants you talk about are from cultures very close to the British culture.
I see that Cameron’s response to the British Gas price rise is to advise customers to switch to other companies. Presumably he is certain that they will not put their prices up too.
Meanwhile Miliiboy taunts Cameron for being spineless, while offering not a clue as to how he will hold down energy prices, as promised.
Maybe a couple of sixth formers could be persuaded to take over as political leaders.
Peter from Maidstone
October 17th, 2013 – 19:30
Anne, I mean there is nothing inherently wrong in not being British and therefore no need to assert that everyone is British when they are not.
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Peter, let’s face it, the BBC is completely bonkers!
Baron, there were no waves of immigration. Small numbers of European migrants were able to be integrated. Very large numbers of often hostile migrants cannot be, nor can we manage even the very large numbers of Eastern Europeans who are here for work.
Only 40-50,000 Hugenots came to England, one of the largest of all migrant movements in English history. The population of England was about 4 million. So the Hugenots represented about 1%. Present waves of migrants represent 15-20% over just a decade or so.
In the early 18th century a few thousand Germans migrated to England due to war. This was not significant.
At the beginning of the 20th century about 120,000 Russian Jews settled in the whole of the UK due to troubles before the Revolution. At this time the population of England was about 33 million. So the Russian Jews represented about 1/3 of a %. Much less than the impact of the Hugenots. And Jews have tended to integrate well into British society.
So I do not believe that previous migrations are anything like the scale and harm which the present unrestricted immigration represents.
RobertC @ 11:04
You may not have noticed that guy who was in charge of the FSA when the financial insanity was surging ahead, the agency charged with policing the banks, got knighted subsequently, then put in charge of compliance at Barclays. King, in charge of the BoE, who could have stopped the insanity by hiking the cost of money, also knighted, sits in the house of Lords. And the politicians then in charge have escaped, too. It’s only few of the bankers who got pilloried, accused of ruining everything, portrayed as the only enemies of the people…
A new justice, Baron reckons.
Baron
October 17th, 2013 – 20:15
And, incidentally, the majority of the 8mn immigrants you talk about are from cultures very close to the British culture.
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Like we practice FGM, cover our women in shrouds whilst they are still alive, worship a nutcase, paedophile?
Baron, 70% of all births to foreign born mothers in the UK are to Africans, Asians and Caribbeans. Most migrants don’t share our culture at all.
Peter from Maidstone at 20:44
We are not talking numbers, Peter, but the capacity of the newcomers to become what you call ‘of British culture’, and the ability of the locals to facilitate such conversion.
One cannot freeze any society, it ain’t doable, any society anywhere undergoes a continuous, never ending process of change.
If anything, how could anyone blame the newcomers? It was of our own doing that the borders got opened, it was our Government, unchallenged by those in the House people have voted for, encouraged by the Brussels apparatchiks that let in everyone who wanted to come. This is where the responsibility lies. To correct it one has to repeat the process, vote for a party that will put an end to it. But doing Amin?
The best one can hope for is stopping the flood, and even that seems like an impossible task given the stronghold the pseudo-liberal contingent has over our institutions.
Baron it is all about numbers.
We’ve not given permission for most to be here and they are not benefiting our society. They are harming it. Many people need to go home. The allusion to Amin is bogus. You are saying in essence that nothing can be done and England must cease to exist. I disagree.
Peter from Maidstone @ 22:01
Just this, and then we have to call it a truce, Peter, agree to stick to our own views.
Peter fM: “Many people need to go home.”
What is home to the 70% of the kids born here in the UK to the African, Asian and Caribbean mothers then? (see your posting at 20.51).
Baron – 20:44 ‘FSA or SFA’
I am afraid I do!
It what the politicians wanted, to help the country along to their desired destination.
Baron lied, he has to do this one, then he’ll shut up.
The poorly educated Slav wasn’t born here. He, his wife and their 6-month old son arrived in the 60s last century. His son married a girl from New Zealand, they have thee sons, all born here.
Who would you kick out, Peter. Just Baron, his spouse? His son, too? Also, the New Zealand girl? All of us?
The son of a friend of Baron married last month a girl from Romania, born in Romania. No children so far. Would she have to go?
Peter, leaving aside the morality of a forced repatriation, the complexity of it would make it unworkable.
There’s an old saying, “Just because you are born in a barn, doesn’t make you a calf.”
Baron, the Irish Republic used to give citizenship to anyone born in Ireland. But African women started arriving who were heavily pregnant and delivered while in the country. This then made their child Irish and consequently they and all their family were able to gain residency and then citizenship. They stopped this. I think there was a referendum about it.
Most of those born here of recent immigrants should not have citizenship. I’ve already described my views. Natural citizenship applies only to those with parents born in this country of at least an acquired British citizenship.
I would expect repatriation to be sensitive and in reverse order. Those who are not citizens and have no children first. Then those whose children were not born in this country. Also a restriction on new citizenships being granted and the franchise removed from all who are not natural citizens.
A payment can be made to each migrant sent home. Ironically the money would be worth most to those we could wish to repatriate first.
If I went to live in Russia with my wife my child would not be Russian and having paid nothing in to any social welfare system it would be entirely reasonable to be sent back to my home country together with my child even if he had been born in Russia because we would not be Russian. My grandson might perhaps have a claim to be considered Russian.
Baron. You start with the easy cases and the objective is not to remove all migrants. I have lots of hardworking migrant friends. But there is a difference between someone who has been here 13 years and someone who has been here 13 months.
There is a difference between Romanians and Pakistanis. Not personally but culturally. There is a difference between New Zealanders and Algerians. Not personally but culturally.
You start with the easy cases. No family and unemployed? You are invited to go home. That’s 600,000 Europeans and most single Somalians. Involved in a sham marriage? You are immediately deported and not allowed back. Bogus college? Same thing. Been here for less than a year? We invite you to go home.
The fact that there are schools where no child speaks English shows that we are way beyond being able to avoid generous and respectful repatriation of many. If we had listened to Enoch Powell we would not be in this state. 26% of all births are to foreign mother’s and in London it is a majority. To do nothing is to have abandoned England for ever.
Anne WK 1@ 22.50
Clever, but faulty, one can never define something by a negative, it’s just like saying ‘it’s a chair because it isn’t a table’.
So, Ann, tell Baron what defines, at least in part, Britishness if not the fact one’s born in Britain?
Hard, isn’t it for it goes against the grain of an internationally accepted definition of one’s nationality either by origin, birth, or naturalisation. You would have a job on your hand to make an argument against it, it has been such for centuries.
“Feed the monkey.”
I would have liked Roy Hodgson’s response to be something like, “Would you please explain why I should apologise, just because one of my players is too thick to understand the joke.”
Baron, a British person is someone born of British parents. It is possible to acquire citizenship but acquired citizenship should not have the same status as natural citizenship. Simply being born in transit through Heathrow Airport makes no one British. It is irrelevant if it is possible to gain citizenship elsewhere by such means. Maybe other countries need a large number of immigrants? I think Britain would have done better considering quality not quantity.
Of course I consider Baron to represent quality.
@Baron 17th, – 22:46
“Who would you kick out, Peter. Just Baron, his spouse? His son, too? Also, the New Zealand girl? All of us?”
The best company I ever worked for had a very catholic attitude to employment. It wasn’t always so; Norwegian in origin, at first any incomers were viewed with suspicion, even Swedes. Then other Scandinavians, then Brits, then Croatians progressively became accepted, and finally the whole of the world. In a company with the reputation for having a “hire and fire” policy, one very quickly learned that the only criterion to apply was “Can he do the job?”
Surely we should apply a similar criterion here, i.e. if an immigrant and their family are supporting themselves (legally), and making a positive contribution to British society they should be welcomed. All others can go. I realise that, by this criterion, besides leadswingers and dole bludgers, several holders of British nationality, of whatever colour, should be required to go…the only thing I haven’t figured out yet is…where to???
Baron
I intended to respond to your posting addressed to me, but Peter replied with what I wanted to say, but in a much better form. Please, Baron are you suffering from Schizophrenia, or do you refer to yourself as another person because you think it is clever? This is a serious question and not meant to be hurtful.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 23:28
No hurt acknowledged, Anne. It’s just different, and in blogging as often as in life to differentiate oneself helps. People tend to remember more of what one says if they can couple it with something unique to the person who says it.
When Baron began blogging on the Spectator’s blogs, somewhere last century he called himself Baron Pippin II, the blue veined barbarian from the East, poorly educated Slav …. just for fun. It infuriated some, amused others. It also removed the need to say ‘I think, I do, I believe …”.
Many who blog take themselves far too seriously, Baron doesn’t. He likes debating, arguing, quibbling about things, even for sake of it. It keeps one more alert, the onset of Alzheimer at bay. You want to kick him for it, go ahead, the poorly educated Slav doesn’t mind. He doesn’t expect people to agree with him, others shouldn’t expect Baron to always agree with them. Opinions differ, and thanks God for the difference, can you imagine how dull life would be if we all agreed with each other?
Peter from Maidstone
On reading your earlier comment about the Iraqi family referred to by the BBC as “British”, the Beeb are now referring to one of the Kenya mall murderers as “Norwegian”….. (by way of Somalia).
Funny how the word “Norwegian” immediately brings to mind an educated, cultured, civilised person, whereas the word “Somalian”…..
Ostrich (occasionally) at 23:10
You see, my blogging friend, it’s another example of how we’ve gone mad without any input from the immigrants, the EU or whoever else we may attach the blame to.
The guy who was supposed to be at the receiving end of the joke says he doesn’t mind, the moronic PC brigade is all upset. Which part of the Britishness is that then?
Ostrich (occasionally) October 17th, 2013 – 23:10
“Feed the monkey.” I would have liked Roy Hodgson’s response to be something like, “Would you please explain why I should apologise, just because one of my players is too thick to understand the joke.”
So would I, there might be some here who never heard or have forgotten this very old joke.
It goes something like this.
An Astronaut and a Chimpanzee were to make the first manned/monkeyed flight to Mars, at the initial briefing they were told that they would be placed into a long sleep after which they would find a set of instructions for each in two envelopes.
The Chimp awoke an hour or so before the man, opening his envelope he found inside full instructions for the flight both to and from Mars.
When the man woke he opened his envelope, his instruction was brief and to the point, it said ‘feed the monkey’.
Ostrich (occasionally) at 23:25
In your definition of who could stay, who should go Britain equates to M&S, the difference is only in size of the shop. Baron has a somewhat different definition of who should qualify for a Full Monty citizenship.
It’s anyone who would answer at least one of the two following question in the affirmative.
If Britain were threatened, the House were to call people to take up arms would you join to defend the country?
If Britain were threatened, but you couldn’t for whatever reason take up arms would you give unquestionable support to those who did?
To conflate a number of issues discussed above – “Feed the Hyena!”
Daniel Greenfield explains:
http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/the-hyena-cure.html
“You don’t have to be a weatherman to see which way the wind is blowing”
http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/clinton-foundation-received-millions-saudis-qatar-iran
Baron
October 17th, 2013 – 23:52
Thanks for your gracious response. I liked it.
P from M 22:53 – Agree with every word.
Roy Hodgson obviously doesn’t read Terry Pratchett.If he did he would know : Don’t use the `M`word;what-ever you do,don’t use the `M`…….The Librarian doesn’t like.He got changed into an Urang-Utang years ago by a magic spell that went wrong,and he won’t let anybody change him back……and if anyone uses the `M`he goes Ape.
Lesley C. 00.00
Funny how the word “Norwegian” immediately brings to mind an educated, cultured, civilised person, whereas the word “Somalian”…..
You took the words right out of my mouth, as they say.
Baron,
“When Baron began blogging on the Spectator’s blogs, somewhere last century he called himself Baron Pippin II, the blue veined barbarian from the East, poorly educated Slav …. just for fun. It infuriated some, amused others. It also removed the need to say ‘I think, I do, I believe …”.
In recent times your schtick has morphed into Baron Pippin II of Meerkovo and you are easily confused with one of those, arguably amusing, furry critters on the TV who are selling car insurance.
Sometimes on the Speccie blogs you forget to keep the Meerkat routine up, and the points that you make are much clearer without it.
Just sayin….
Ostrich, certainly those migrants who contribute to Britain should be welcomed, but the question always remains – How many and what types?
We cannot welcome a tsunami of even industrious migrants. There has to be a limit. 8,000,000 with 1,500,000 children is far, far beyond it.
The vast numbers of recent migrants have created a housing crisis, an educational crisis, mass unemployment of British youth and a welfare underclass. This is not the fault necessarily of any individual migrants, but it is causes by mass migration, and the only answer is a halt to most migration for a period, and mass repatriation.
I know many migrant families who I would not want to say goodbye to. But we have to begin with the real problem and suggest real answers as a matter of philosophy rather than simply acting personally. What are the criteria we need to apply, and how many would be affected? These are the questions. And I see no reason why criteria should not be culture specific.
I was talking to a lovely family on Sunday, and the mother is from Ukraine. I asked if she felt Ukrainian or Russian and she hesitated and said Russian. I asked who she would support in a Ukrainian/Russian football match and she said Russia. And she is from the Ukraine. She will not be considering herself British anytime soon. That is not a problem. Not everyone living here for various reasons needs to. But she is not British, and we need to know how many people (much less than 9,500,000) who are not British we can support without us all ceasing to be British.
“mass repatriation”
If you had escaped some armpit of the world to live in the land of plenty would you agree to go back – except at the point of a gun? What you are talking about is going to require a lot of troops, rifles, cattle trucks, barbed wire and transit “camps” Do we really want to emulate the Third Reich?
The country is stuck with the problem that New Labour created. The only viable solution is to deal firmly with Islamic extremism and try and educate and gentrify the incomers. While we are at it we could also attempt to do the same for our own burgeoning indigenous, ill- educated welfare dependent sector which is comprised of. In no particular order, brutish, drunken, shaven- headed, tattooed, spray tanned chavs/morons riddled with STDs.
e&oe
On the interesting debate about immigration, the problem is that the ability to come to the UK to work has become confused with the easy ability to acquire citizenship and the benefits thereof. Anyone who has worked in the middle east and indeed most countries abroad, knows that the foreign worker is in the country on licence; it is explicit that his or her presence there provides a benefit, they cannot own or acquire land and they must leave when required.
Here the matter is complicated by a honeypot benefits system and the lax apllication of asylum treaty laws, both should be closed forthwith. The withdrawal of all benefits and abolition of UK property acquisition will result in the immediate cessation of immigration and the departure of many economic migrants.
Food and accommodation for those in course of departure could be arranged, a la Verity, in disused oil platforms, empty barracks and air fields.
Personally though, I have always preferred the Meigs Solution; looking for a place to bury the Union army dead from the Battle of the Wilderness this Union General selected the Arlington home of the General of the Confederate forces, General Robert E Lee.
On a similar basis I would select the homes and estates of David Cameron, Antony Blair, Gordon Brown, Edward Miliband and a host of others for requisition as housing and detention for their culturally diverse and enriching ‘nationals’.
Which should exedite the process of economic and humane repatriation.
EC (08:55)
Thanks – Occam’s razor applied to some rather muddled rhetoric over the past few hours. On the other hand, Noa’s proposals for the location of internment camps necessary to implement Peter’s transportaton strategy is whimsically appealing, though I fear that even Nigel would shrink from including it in the UKIP manifestival.
@John birch 18th, – 06:16
“Funny how the word “Norwegian” immediately brings to mind an educated, cultured, civilised person,”
Ah. You’ve experience of working with them?
@Baron 18th, – 00:14
“If Britain were threatened, the House were to call people to take up arms would you join to defend the country?
If Britain were threatened, but you couldn’t for whatever reason take up arms would you give unquestioning support to those who did?”
That seems fair enough.
Frank P
W’or Nige would probably like to include the photo which is the subject of Mary Ellen Synon’s final piece in the DM, now that she has quit occupied Europe.
C’est magnifique, et c’est guerre! as Marechel Bosquet should have said.
http://synonblog.dailymail.co.uk/?ico=columnists^editors_choice
October 18th, 2013 – 06:16
Lesley C. 00.00
Funny how the word “Norwegian” immediately brings to mind an educated, cultured, civilised person, whereas the word “Somalian”…..
You took the words right out of my mouth, as they say.
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I must be the odd one out here. ‘Norwegian’ brings to mind Quislings in World War II, nasty anti-Israeli university and products boycotters, plague rats, insane ‘liberal hypocrites, shall I go on?
@Baron 18th, – 00:00
“The guy who was supposed to be at the receiving end of the joke says he doesn’t mind, the moronic PC brigade is all upset. Which part of the Britishness is that then?”
Yup, that’s what comes from me bursting into print without having heard the whole story. (assuming, that is, that even now I’ve heard enough.)
Seems to be a slow news day…our local radio is still squalling about this also the disgraceful, selfish, ill-mannered failure of Ms P to give a seat to a ‘heavily pregnant’ woman 🙂 (they’re always ‘H-P’…do they mind being described so?)
Last month there was a row between the eccentric but decent Peter Oborne and friends of Daniel Finkelstein.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9034691/daniel-finkelstein-lord-of-journalism/
http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-week/letters/9041681/letters-david-aaronovitch-defends-daniel-finkelstein-godfrey-bloom-defends-himself/
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2013/10/03/peter-oborne-ideologue-as-journalist/
Aaronovitch’s response applies shaming tactics rather then rebutting the points made in Oborne’s article. Finkelstein’s the intellectual founder of the modernisation movement that brought Cameron to power. Finkelstein, Cameron and friends were around the dinner table when it was suggested that Cameron should go for the leadership. How can it be shameful to criticise such a powerful person? He has more power and influence than his title of journalist or Lord or adviser would suggest.
Ostrich (o)
Would you offer to give up your seat to a heavily (or even lightly) pregnant Minister?
It depends, I suppose, on whether you knew that she (or possibly he) was a Liberal Democrat.
EC. Utter cobblers. What you are saying is that England and the rule of law does not exist and should not exist.
600,000 unemployed EU citizens are here without British citizenship. Are you saying we must not tell them to go home? Rubbish.
PfM,
“EC. Utter cobblers. What you are saying is that England and the rule of law does not exist and should not exist.”
I said nothing of the sort! You are starting to behave like Telemachus.
EC, you said essentially that there was nothing that could be done. If nothing can be done then that is the end of England. And if no law can be passed requiring some at least of the non-British to return to their home countries then it is the end of the rule of Law.
Already migrants are reproducing many times faster than the British. If nothing is done, because the only option is Nazism (?) then we are all over. Already the majority population of London is not British.
Peter from Maidstone
October 18th, 2013 – 12:06
Peter, you are not at all like Telemachus, even if you cannotsupport my suggetion of hurling the buggers over the White Cliffs of Dover! 🙂
If you have not noticed,the Daily Express is now a UKIP paper with Nigel Farage writting an article every Friday.
Noa 9:01 – I think stationing those who are temporarily in transit, on the grounds of the homes of Anthony and the lovely Cherie Blair, Gordon Brown and, indeed, the entire previous Cabinet, plus, if extra quarters are required, the properties of the Milibands and others we could list.
Also, there must be an act passed that only those born in Britain or those having had acquired legitimate citizenship are allowed to vote. I lived and worked in the US for 12 years but the vote was, quite rightly, denied me. Giving a vote to non-citizens, who, by their status, have no emotional investment in the country, but a dedication to enriching themselves, is lunacy.
AWK 14:01 – “even if you cannotsupport my suggetion of hurling the buggers over the White Cliffs of Dover”. Personally, I think this method is too random, because some of them may be able to save themselves and crawl back up.
Personally, I vote for jet planes – no one will try to escape in the sky – loaded with them. An airlift, in fact, that might last for months until we’d got Britain largely clear of them. I am sure that Marine le Pen and Geert Wilders would monitor this closely with an eye on the parasitic, violent dross currently afflicting Holland and France. Sweden is wrapped in dhimmitude, but Norway is still a robust country and I am sure they would be watching, too.
Any ‘country’ is an evolving entity that constantly changes (like all universal matter in the GSOT), according to whatever time-frame its natives, subject’s, citizens, residents, visitors – in fact those with any connection to it, or vested, or even emotional, interest in it, chose for contextual purposes when discussing it.
The comparatively ‘free’ country of England, which is now a somewhat antiquated concept – given that it is merely one part of United Kingdom, the Commonwealth, the European Union (and various other international bodies to into which our elected representatives have signed us); exists only in the minds of ‘people like us’ (a very mixed and ever-diminishing bunch) who live through the rose-tinted rear-view mirror of remembered images. We fervently wish that we could return whence we came – a country that probably never existed, except in our time-warped minds. We can’t!
We claim that the Question Time audience is rigged, because cannot accept that the seemingly leftist, baying, motley crew that turns up represents England. Sadly it now does.
While we have been wallowing in somewhat self-regarding, pompous and deluded complacency; voting idiots, blackguards and traitors into our legislature, ‘we’ have been well and truly – and deservedly – fucked! Virginity, like yesterday, cannot be retrieved. So lay back, enjoy it and think of England – as you remember it.
And if Peter’s Plan is implemented, ‘we’ will become the type of people ‘we’ have traditionally despised (and on occasions) fought to the death.
Now … even among the small band of ‘us’ I defy anyone to define who ‘we’ are. Moreover, to paraphrase some famous wit of the past (can’t be arsed to look it up) I wouldn’t want to belong to any grouping that would number me amongst it. 🙂
We arrogate unto ourselves power over the present and the future, yet by the time we are aware of the present, it is already past. The future likewise is unknown until it becomes the present – only to immediately become the past. Our interpretations of what was, is and will be, are subjective. The ensuing emotions are funny, infuriating, satisfying, boring or downright depressing. Those emotions make our brief spell of existence worthwhile. If not – we have the remedy in our own hands. To be or not to be, that is the question.
PfM,
There you go again!
YOU said that there had to be “mass repatriation”
I outlined the consequences of the mass forced(for they would have to be)deportations that YOU were proposing.
If the figures that YOU have supplied are correct then demographic consequences of New Labour’s immigration policy are mathematically inevitable.
YOU have no practical solution, do you?
What I am saying is that the least worst option for all concerned is now:
1. To deal firmly with religious extremists an terrorists.
2. Ensure that the law of the land is Secular and applies to ALL. I.e. No Sharia, No Beth Din or any other religious claptrap dispensed by beardy men in frocks.
3. Ensure that ALL education is Secular.
4. Prohibit religious discrimination against women,
5. Ban Burkas, and maybe beards.
That’s Just for starters….
Another master post from Frank P immediately above.
Now, from admiration to a pet hate. “Transgender”. There is no such thing in the human race as transgender. As I have said before, you can get bits chopped off and bits siliconed in and take hormone pills that suppress your own natural hormones, but you cannot “change” your sex.
This is a pet irrritation of mine and it continues to irritate me that Peter Tatchell imported the ignorant, but official sounding “gender reassignment” from the US. You can have bits chopped off, you can have silicone siphoned in, you can take daily hormone pills, you can wear high heels and panty hose or you can wear a hard hat and miners’ gear, but you cannot alter your DNA. Those people who “change sex” merely change their appearance to mimic that of the opposite sex.
Every time I read of someone “changed their sex from man to woman”, or vice versa, the journalistic illiteracy infuriates me. I have no quarrel with people who think they have been born the “wrong” sex and have plastic surgery and take hormones so that their bodies mimic those of the opposite sex if they feel that strongly. But they are not, and cannot be, that sex. Their DNA remains unchanged.
This annoys me as the media have picked up, via Peter Tatchell, on this scientifically illiterate usage and it is now in common usage and treated as a fact.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 October 18th, 2013 – 10:10
“I must be the odd one out here. ‘Norwegian’ brings to mind Quislings in World War II, nasty anti-Israeli university and products boycotters, plague rats, insane ‘liberal hypocrites, shall I go on?”
Hello Anne you most certainly are not the ‘odd one out’ go on be not restrained complete the list.
I have always found the Dutch, Danes and Swedes delightful as are many Belgium’s but not the Norwegians.
That dreadful massacre at Utoeya Island, where children attended a Labour summer camp, these occasions resemble the Hitler Youth camps in the thirties.
Ban turbans on moslems. (Not Sikhs. There is no reason for Sikhs to be culturally disenfranchised as they are not in Britain as a conquest). Ban al fresco “prayers” on public pathways, as they have in France. Ban veils, hijabs, and other ridiculous desert gear in public places, as they did in France several years ago, yet the world continued to spin.
Why Britain did a cultural cringe, from which they have not recovered, when this sect began to make itself noticable in Britain baffles me. British lawmakers are ignorant, is one problem. I’ve never been to Saudi Arabia, but I have been in other muslim countries where the women wear the latest fashions, drive, wear make-up, don’t wear medieval desert gear, etc. Really, the only rule they seem to have – inexplicably – preserved in moslem countries is never touching anyone with your left hand. That is because the dwellers in the sand dunes seven or eight centuries ago did not have access to water or paper to wipe their arses and so used their left hand. That is why it is offensive to, in moslem countries touch anyone with your left hand. Other than that, none of their strictures should have any impact on us. They should be unceremoniously hauled off any pavement they try to colonise by praying on it.
We are informed that Jo Swinson, the Liberal Democrat MP who is seven months pregnant, arrived late to Prime Minister’s Questions on Wednesday and was left standing by the main door.
Westminster commentators suggested it was “quite remarkable” that no MPs had offered her their seat and that it showed a “shocking lack of manners and decency”.
However a source close to Miss Swinson, 33, said that the suggestion that she was unable to “fend for herself” was “quite sexist”.
Oh dear me the only thing remarkable about this story is that this huffy-lump-of-liberal-acrimonious-gall could get herself pregnant in the first place, what kind of booze did she ply the donor with I wonder?
Would it have been sexist had a younger/older woman offered up a seat, if that older/younger woman were to be a Lesbian would that then revert to being sexist, with the same kind of thought in mind would it have been not-sexist if the man offering the seat were a screaming queer, this might be highly probable as the Commons, as is the BBC is overrun with them.
EC October 18th, 2013 – 11:41
Said to PfM, “I said nothing of the sort! You are starting to behave like Telemachus”.
Come on EC, retract and apologise there’s a good chap.
Nothing and nobody on this site has even the slightest resemblance to that troll.
Frank P October 18th, 2013 – 15:14
“We claim that the Question Time audience is rigged, because cannot accept that the seemingly leftist, baying, motley crew that turns up represents England. Sadly it now does.”
Frank an old colleague one of my sales team, applied three times for his wife and him to be in a Question Time audience, on the first two occasion; when completing the application he truthfully stated that both he and his wife had always voted conservative, on neither occasion did he get an invite.
On the third attempt he told a bucket-full of lies, lies that would lead them to believe that he and his wife were life-long far left activists, they not only got invites but were seated front row right facing the panel.
He for one is convinced that selection to favour the left is a given constant.
David Ossitt – “Nothing and nobody on this site has even the slightest resemblance to that troll”.
Agreed! And especially the owner of the site, who allows us all to present our opinions robustly without interference or censure.
“I wouldn’t want to belong to any grouping that would number me amongst it. :-)”
Sounds to me like a paraphrase of something Groucho Marks said.
David Ossitt – Yes indeed. Except more concise. IFRC – “I wouldn’t want to belong to a club that would have me as a member.”
David Ossitt @16:20,
Nope, sorry, he deserved it. What I wrote, just for once, wasn’t “cobblers”, and neither did I write the words he was trying to “put into my mouth/pen.”
Case closed.
“I wouldn’t want to belong to a club that would have me as a member.”
Indeed-isn’t that the true definition of the ultimate Wallster?!
David Ossitt (16:38)
What a pity Karl Marx didn’t say it! The world would have been a very different place, had he thought that way 🙂
As for your previous post, David: regardless of anecdotal evidence, I still fear that it would be increasingly difficult to find a quorum, let a small revolutionary army, of like-minded English patriots of the sort whose mordant observations appear here regularly – other than in the graveyard. And the two generations thereafter have been well and truly nobbled. EC’s pragmatic summary at 08:55 seems only too true to me.
His manifesto at 15:38 seems fair enough, too; but in deference to your good self, I’ll forego the hirsute stipulation as I know you eschew frocks. But the combination of both, particularly accompanied by bell, book and candle can be very unnerving.
Btw while you were all worrying about the Norwegians, did you all miss the conviction of the fat little fuck from Norfolk, Michael Souter, who was yesterday found guilty of of a string of attacks on vulnerable boys. A ex-BBC ‘presenter’ and Scoutmaster with perv written all over him. Par for the course. My local news covered it, but otherwise the MSM seems to have colluded in a deafening silence. Sentencing awaits: anybody wanna run a book on it?
EC – 15:38
You identify part of the (not the Final) solution.
However I’m sure that removing all financial and social, health, education and welfare incentives for illiterate third world and Eastern European peasant immigrants to be in the UK, together with a ban on property acquisition, would result in their mass departure to pastures new.
No need for Trains and Whips and Planes, Darwinian market capitalism will ensure their rapid departure to the richer pastures of the liberal socialist state of Holland, Scandanavia and Germany.
“A “Progessive” = A liberal Gone Bad”
“There’s no racist like a liberal racist”
In his latest video, Pat Condell articulates in wonderful detail…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz4PjxSmtoI
@18.36 Argh! – shb “Progressive”
Noa 18:26 – D’accuerdo.
I think the answer lies in one word: secession.
this is alarming:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24582781
EC October 18th, 2013 – 18:12
David Ossitt @16:20,
“Nope, sorry, he deserved it. Case closed.”
Case closed, nuff said, end of story, get off of my case, I’ve heard enough, move on, get out of my face, I’ve said enough, change the record, stop going on about it.
No he did not deserve it nobody deserves to be told that “You are starting to behave like Telemachus”, all of us here know that Telemachus is a troll but far worse he is one of the worst multi-faceted trolls, (he posts under various spellings of his moniker) on conservative web sites.
For you to then compound your impudence by ending your reply to me with ‘Case closed’ is rude and arrogant, I for one will now treat you as the troll; and we all know that means cutting off your food supply.
By-by troll.
EC certainly has no need to apologise. But the repeated idea that requiring foreign people to go home is Nazi is bogus. EU citizens who are unemployed have no right to be here under EU law. And we constantly submit to laws without requiring Nazi stormtroopers. Why should they be required if EU unemployed are law abiding? If the police need to arrest others then this is not problematic either. They use force to arrest people every day without requiring Nazi tactics.
Others will be offered a cash sum to leave. Acquired citizenship will lose many rights which cheapen what it means to be a natural citizen.
No Nazi tactics are required. Nor do we all live in a fictional England. My children know only this one and want many migrants to be repatriated and natural British to be privileged. Indeed 20 years ago, in my own memory, before 9.5 million migrants came here, it was a different country and for its faults it is the one I want to recover.
And that is the quickest and easiest way to sort it out and that’s why the EU is what it is.
India shall have a home for the Indians.
Japan shall have a home for the Japanese.
Israel shall have a home for the Jews.
Africa is for the Africans.
And the European indigenes?
We scrapped that.
Oh, you didn’t notice.
Yes. We’re rather clever like that, us lot.
Any act of secession, whether it is Greece leaving the EU, France leaving the EU, Scotland going independent from the Union, or even Cornwall getting its long-for independence from the Union – that is the escape route.
The indigenes would band together.
They know that.
That’s why countries joined the euro even as it proved its worthlessness as an economin model.
The euro is the road to a political construct.
Who cares if it doesn’t work.
The model is there.
If other peoples and indigenes demand a homeland, then that is what must be asked for.
Imagine the demand for places!
Of course they know all this.
But that is why any and every act of secession, anti-federalism and anti-globalism is to be welcomed. However small.
Once one goes, they will all go.
And then?
The indigenes can ship up as refugees in refugee camps in friendly secession territories and it can all be sorted out from there.
These desperate cries for secession are not going to come along all the time, but come along they will as Europe sinks further and further.
That’s the escape route.
If people would but see, their methodologies can be used against them.
“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste,” said Rahm Emanuel.
Indeed, don’t we owe him and his fellow globalists one back by hoisting him on his own petard?
Europe gets worse every day economically.
There will come a time when any exit will be pushing at an open door.
An article by Douglas Murray and a letter to the New Statesman by him have appeared.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9055961/extreme-measures-2/
We do not know whether Tommy Robinson could ever have been taken at face value.
At some stage or another he has become a government stooge, but the description of the way he has been victimised by the authorities rings true.
And it is all in such contrast to the red carpet given to jihadists, some of whom now claim they are ‘reformed’ and so have licence to live like a king on the back of the taxpayer for the rest of their life in taxpayer-funded ‘think tanks’.
But whether Robinson was ever real or a always state confection, this is the most important lesson:
‘He now acknowledges, however, that the EDL’s professed message — opposition to Islamic extremism — was lost almost from the outset.’
Why was it ever called the EDL?
As poster Daniel Maris puts it underneath:
‘I never agreed with Tommy Robinson’s approach. An “English Defence” League sent all the wrong messages and summoned up images of Ulster. An Anti-Sharia League would have put the focus where it should be. However, I feel immense sympathy for him, as it seems to me he has had to put up with a lot of state oppression for his beliefs.
‘My concern about the Quilliam Foundation (which Murray appears to be friendly towards) is that it sees nothing wrong in Sharia and in fact states explicitly on its website that one can be pro-Sharia without being an extremist. They simply state they are not arguing for Sharia to become “state law”. If you know your Sharia, you’ll know Islam doesn’t have states and therefore doesn’t have state law. So it’s a meaningless bit of misdirection.
‘Has Murray really been taken in by Quilliam?’
That name, EDL, the Union Jack clothes, the St George flags, some of the chants. Some of it was manufactured by agents to create bad publicity, I’ve no doubt, but whoever did it, it was useless.
Europe needs people like Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Geert Wilders, Marine Le Pen.
It doesn’t need anything like the EDL.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2013/10/a-letter-to-the-editor-of-the-new-statesman/
The UK is just East Germany and North Korea but with stealth suppression instead of open suppression.
An ‘independent’ just smears and lies, printing what the government-controlling proprietors want.
So there is no fair hearing there.
There is a tyranny against street protest and a tyrrany against thought.
That requires people like Geert Wilders.
An ‘independent’ Press just smears and lies, printing what the government-controlling proprietors want.
Verity
October 18th, 2013 – 14:35
Whatever! Parachute them down from the jets to avoid problems on landing.
Verity
October 18th, 2013 – 16:36
David Ossitt – “Nothing and nobody on this site has even the slightest resemblance to that troll”.
Agreed! And especially the owner of the site, who allows us all to present our opinions robustly without interference or censure.
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I agree! Peter is extremely tolerant and never insults those with whom he disagrees.
AWK – Also, I think landing and take-off use more fuel that just gliding along in the air, so avoiding a landing and take-off would make economic sense to the taxpayer. We would have to see the costs of parachutes for an aeroplane full of people, against the costs of landing and take-off to return to Britain for more, and we should employ the cheapest option. If that’s parachutes, well, no one invited them to our country.
Alexsandr at 19-10 :UK muslims warned of threat;and have been given police protection…….What they don’t report is that early Thursday morning Tommy Robinson was given an`Osman Warning`that he was under potential threat of death from al-Shabab.The Luton police said they could not offer him protection and advised him on locks and alarms and suggested he might decide to leave Luton……I’ve seen the original warning but it’s disappeared now.
Radford NG – The Luton police said they couldn’t offer him protection???
David Ossitt @19:13
Pompous arse!
Good. Make it so.
Verity at 20-57 : Couldn’t or wouldn’t.
Britain would be better off as a majority white country. It’s time to ask Muslims to leave. Uncultured third world Africans must leave too. There’s no reason to be rude to them on their way out. They can wear any funny hats that they like. But they must leave. They have outstayed their welcome. The left’s 50 year joke has grown tired and old.
Radford Ng 22: 35 … “Couldn’t” is the new way of saying “wouldn’t under any circumstances, for any reason.”
“Send Mohamed home.”
Good slogan or what?
Dg October 19th, 2013 – 05:24
“Send Mohamed home.”
Sung to the tune of “where-s-your-mama-gone” good idea.
Peter from Maidstone, October 18th, 2013 – 19:13
Thank you, Peter.
“But the repeated idea that requiring foreign people to go home is Nazi is bogus.”
But, yet again, I didn’t say that. I was pointing out where the path of forced repatriation, in the numbers that would actually make a demographic difference, might lead.
What % of the 8.5 million are these unemployed EU migrants? Would that make a dent in the 8.5? Is it not the non-europeans from islamic countries who refuse to integrate that are the real problem?
As far as the EU migration is concerned then actually stopping the new influx of unskilled Romanians and Bulgarians next year has got to be the priority. If the government, prompted by UKIP, cannot sort that one out then they are unlikely to achieve anything else that will make a difference.
Seeeeeeeeennnnnnnd Mohameeeeeeed hooooooooomeeeeeeee!
Faaaaaaaaaar faaaaaaaaaaar awaaaaaaaay!
Swing low, sweet chariot, Coming for to carry me home.
Noa
October 18th, 2013 – 18:26
Excellent observation! It is hoped that UKIP will pursue such a course, as policy, and gain electoral popularity from it.
But even then, Noa, we are still left with the dependency ethos, rampant within what is now the ‘indigenous culture’; including the miscegenation which has occurred among the last two generations to emerge from the mish-mash.
EC expressed that very succinctly in his original reply (08:55 18th inst.) to Peter’s impractical day-dreams. That state of things can’t be rolled back simply by draconian immigration laws, necessary though they may be for entirely empirical reasons of infrastructural strain and the very real Mohammedan threat, which, as EC avers, must be resisted by all means necessary.
But regardless of the latter menace, we are stuck with the stock we have bred in post-war Britain. The gradual assimilation that was achieved in the decades and even centuries before that resulted in what most of us on this forum would regard as ‘British culture’, or even ‘English culture’ (if we’re looking through the prism of country rather than state). Then post-war Britain experienced a sudden inundation of newcomers, a mixed bag from a crumbling British Empire, many of whom wanted and fully intended to assimilate, but when they arrived found that they were not as welcome as they had hoped because the English were having problems of their own in the post-war period of austerity and didn’t want the problems of other countries dumped on them. This led to agitation and conflict which was both seized upon and further fomented by subversive leftist agencies comprising indigenous traitors and imported agitators, largely funded by the Sino-Soviet bloc.
All this was exacerbated when American communist Black Power agents, armed with the instructions contained in Gramsci’s prison scribbling and similar guff from Saul Alinski “Rules for Revolutionaries”, came here and formed an alliance with West Indian and African leftists – and petty crooks such as Michael De Freitas (later laughingly styled as Michael X) and other cohorts who were further funded by idiots like John Lennon. Then came the Vietnam War demonstrations and gradually ‘policing by consent’ was undermined as para-military tactics started to develop. Added to it all “The Troubles” in N.I. caused further strain on police resources and changed our policing methods forever. Then the ‘European Project’ – again a grand leftist-internationalist part Utopian dream, part power grab prompted by the motive of French and German vengeance.
Peter talks of returning the country to the one he knew as a boy; well – that was it. And even my boyhood, which started much earlier in the mid-thirties, if reviewed clinically without rose-tinted bins was not all that rosy either. And my father, a WW1 sparker in the Royal Navy was even less than enthusiastic about the England of his boyhood too. So when did Peter’s retrospective country exist – other than in the selective dreams of his childhood?
Peter thinks a return to religion is the solution (after rigorous vetting of birthright a la Peter’s Criteria – then suitable mass deportation). EC suggests religion is part of the problem. Cue Bill O’Reilly – “we report, you decide”.
As a footnote it is worth mentioning that a large percentage of West Indians and those from the sub-continent, not to mention those from the Idi Amin purge, did assimilate happily – against the odds – and have succeeded and contributed greatly to the nation’s wealth (such as it is).
Sadly the faux ‘West Indian’ music culture and patois that emanated from a mixture of the imported shanty town ganja and pimping trade (a very small percentage of WI immigrants, it must be allowed) and American ‘nigga rap’ now permeates our own youth and its pop music; it was part planned by the leftist agents, but took off with the Zeitgeist of the Sixties and succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. Gramsci would be pleased with the new cultural hegemony, the old one is irretrievable, because you can’t turn bullshit into beef.
… however much you would like to!
Dear Mo and Pals,
You were invited to our tea party by accident by a gatecrashing fraud with a fake tan.The truth is that your culture suits yourselves very well but is not very welcome in our home. Now the time has come for you to leave us peacefully, there is certainly a warm welcome for you at your own home’s tea party.
‘Inshallah’ you will live well in countries that are more suited to the religion of peace. Please leave immediately. We do promise to visit you one day and we will bring some lovely home made cakes and biscuits for you. Thank you very much for visiting us. We wish you all very well.
PS you are most welcome to continue your fancy dress party but not on our land as it doesn’t sit with us very well. It scares the children you see, and Halloween is not a British tradition.
Not day dreams Frank. Your own suggestion of incorporating a great mass of recent migrants has no basis in our history and results in the extinction of England.
Have you been nobbled like Tommy Robinson and will you be supporting the Quillam Foundation now?
Even the immigrants I spoke to this morning insisted that repatriation was necessary.
I’m not dreaming Frank. But maybe your memory is failing. 30 years ago there were not 9 million immigrants here and the immigration rate was 50,000 a year. That’s a fact. Now it is much higher than 500,000 and has been for 15 years.
Not a dream. I don’t recall any immigrants in my school. One British Jew. Not a dream, Peckham was still mostly white working class. I went there every weekend to see my grandad. Our family had lived in the same streets for 150 years. I was born into the same Peckham house my grandmother was born into.
So I remember well what it was to have a few migrants around and not to be swamped.
Here in Maidstone it is in the last 5 years that it has become common not to hear any English on the streets. My memory is sharp. I recall easily when the migrants were interesting additions to the community – though the first group seemed to be Albanian criminals.
Its not my memory that is failing. And when I speak to my parents they also describe the same majority white British community changing recently.
Look at Only Fools and Horses. Just 2 black characters now it would be impossible to produce the programme with the same cast. That’s just 30 years ago.
The Guardian has an article by a Mohammed Ansar [who’s probably under police protection now].I couldn’t be doing with reading it all;but it’s the comments that are interesting.Many of them opposed to Ansar and Islam and not outright opposed to the EDL.One perceptive commentator writes of :Muslims brainwashed by Imams too cowardly to do their dirty work themselves.SEE http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/19/my-journey-with-edl-tommy-robinson?CMP=twt_gu
Thanks for your eloquent post above, Frank P. It was as well-observed as always.
Face it. Gramsci won.
Unless the British do a volte face and vote for UKIP at the next election, the two big, corrupt and incompetent parties will hammer Britain more firmly into the EU and will keep the immigrant floodgates open when we should be sluicing ME immigranats back to mohammad country in their tens of thousands. In fact, 10,000 a month would be a good, achievable goal if the political will was there. Sadly, we see no political will (or nous) in the vapid, complacent visage of the current eager instrument of Common Purpose and Gramsci.
Peter 13:28
I’m afraid that the tattooed untermensch of the last two generations taking to the streets and aggressively confronting the beleaguered Elderly William (more likely the not-so-elderly Wilhelmina these days) with their pointing fingers and Nazi salutes, achieves absolutely nothing – on the contrary, it creates civil commotion and is counter productive, gives the leftie activists raison d’etre in fact.
As for your rather silly remark (which displays, I fear, a somewhat petulant side to your otherwise benign and somewhat sanctimonious side) about me ‘having been nobbled’ , I won’t grace it with a response other than to suggest that refer you to my links on this blog a few days ago delineating the pedigree of this latest transmogrification of the Quilliam set-up – and my remarks about Yaxley-Lennon’s defection to yet another source of funding. I gave you plenty of warning about him; so don’t blame me because you nailed your colours to a capsized mast.
Anyway, the sly word ‘repatriation’ has a whiff about it that offends even my insensitive old nostrils. If there are aliens here who are here illegally, then they should be ‘deported’ in accordance with UK law (without waiting for EU approval). If legal immigrants break the law they should be imprisoned, then deported whence they came, regardless of asylum considerations. And I include in the definition ‘breaking the law’ engaging in subversive activities against the state. Though treason is no longer a hanging matter, it’s still an imprisonable offence. When was the last time anyone was imprisoned for it? Over my lifetime manifest subversion and treason has gone largely unpunished, including the activities of many of our erstwhile and currently serving ‘top politicians’ comprising the scum of our own generational loins.
As for the demographic mix – aside from criminality there is no way of undoing evolution, it’s a ratchet process. Even in your faith God surely loves each strain of the species – except Doubting Thomas’s like me, who are destined for Hell apparently. Well if that is so, I’m likely to finish up with a band of bastards with a sense of humour and apparently much less petulant than I’m likely to find at the Other Place. 🙂
You are a cheeky young sod at times, Peter. behave yourself, FFS!
I read Frank P’s posting and agree with him, then I study Peter from Maidstone’s views, and I concur with him. Result: Back to my own solution – hurl them all off teh White Cliffs of Dover, or Verity’s civilised solution of a jet flight and then parachutes made of flimsy cotton!
Anne, Frank may or may not describe our situation but I don’t think he has a solution. Not one that saves England in any case. Making the most of 9.6 million immigrants (its still rising) is no answer as far as I can see. Nor us the only alternative the EDL as EC and Frank seem to want to suggest.
My immigrant friends are not shocked at the idea of repatriation (and I’m not sure why Frank finds it a disturbing word, it is part of English social history) and wonder why we have not started.
Verity (14:13)
Spot on, gal!
Anne (14:38)
🙂 x
Take a look at what is taught in schools;especially the correct answer to Q2.[My attention is drawn to this by Tommy Robinson;who professes shock.]From January Michael Gove requires all schools to teach about Islam.SEE http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/rs/war/Islam/quiz/q60304712/
From the BBC;
“Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin says the HS2 project will benefit the whole UK, after figures suggested some areas would be worse off if it was built.”
IMHO the only ones who might possibly benefit in any way, are a few rich businessmen/women who will be able to go (reluctantly) oop north to sort out the northern peasantry at high speed, and skedaddle extra fast back to their southern mansions, thus saving a few minutes each way that could be better spent in London. How, pray, are the rest of us going to derive any benefit whatsoever from this lunatic project?
Peter
“Frank may or may not describe our situation but I don’t think he has a solution.”
I worry about people who think they have solutions, particularly ‘final solutions’ when it comes to demographics. I certainly never suggested I have the answer to rapidly changing culture; on the contrary, I spent many years on the front line of the cultural hegemony war, spilt blood and tears (my own mainly) in the effort – and Verity is right – Gramsci won! I now wish I’d spent more time concentrating on the needs of my children rather than the ‘greater good’ because, frankly, the building blocks of any successful society is the family. Defending the state and the status quo on a slippery slope, with hindsight, was always a vainglorious objective, which I now sadly acknowledge.
I’m suggesting there isn’t a solution to what you consider to be a problem – waning religious faith among indigenous Brits – it was inevitable, as superstition and myths are debunked.
No problem! In my book, anyway. Cling hold of your hope of heaven if you wish – but stop trying to herd the rest of us into the corral.
Where I agree there is a problem is that Islam demands submission of ‘infidels’ on pain of death and is taking steps to convert or kill us. In that regard, ‘us’ includes you, me and most other Wallsters (if indeed not all). A two pronged attack, through slimy taqiyya and terror. Watch out! There’s a Muzzie about. Let’s get our priorities right: trying to re-establish the status quo ante culturally (as you remember it) is futile. But our future demands on our politicians “Shut the stable door before more Tarpan’s occupy them” and “repatriate our sovereignty from the Brussels bastardos” (now there’s an appropriate use of repatriation), are valid and achievable enterprises.
The point of departure for this little debate was EC’s succinct summary of of our multi-faceted national plight. It has yet to be bettered, imnsho. The hissy fits that have ensued have been entertaining, but hardly productive and have most certainly not ‘solved’ anything.
Frank, as usual, you choose to introduce a topic I had not mentioned so that you can get a dig in about my traditional English faith. You also choose to introduce a few more rather mean spirited comments like ‘Final Solution’.
It’s not very nice to be honest.
That you consider any disagreement to be a hissy fit? That whenever I post you have to attack my faith even though I haven’t mentioned it? Says more about you I think than I.
A few ramblings
1. Seems Manchester plod are looking for some asian schoolkids who have been sexually assaulting women. WTF are the parents teaching their kids as morals?
HS2. well it seems some places wont do so well with HS2. Well places off the line are obvious losers like cardiff and bristol. but places on theline with no stop will also lose.
walsall, wolverhampton, Coventry, Stoke on trent, Chesterfield, Bradford, Huddersfield, rochdale will all lose out, especially cov.
this could be a real vote loser for the tories.
James Delingpole on his DT blog:
“…Between 1744 and 1846 tax (in Britain) as a proportion of national income ranged between 9 per cent and 19 per cent; today it is closer to 50 per cent. Entrepreneurs at the height of the Industrial Revolution enjoyed freedoms and profit incentives unimaginable in today’s sclerotic, overregulated, redistributive economy. And they did so without having going cap in hand to Big Government for socialistic grands projets like HS2. If they needed infrastructure, they provided it themselves: the canals and the railways were self-financing”.
The guy’s priceless.
Alexsander 20:11 – “this could be a real vote loser for the tories.”
Everything could be a real vote loser for the Tories, including – and especially – David Cameron.
Peter and Frank, what the hell is going on. Two highly intelligent guys squabbling like two estate kids.
Each of us here may have a different take on whatever we touch, but we are all, Baron hopes, in the same boat. This should unite us rather than divide. Baron for one is quite at ease with Peter’s faith, who knows, in the end it may be THE faith that will pull the nation together again. On the other hand, it may be Frank’s pragmatism that will win the day. Nobody can tell. Man, as Baron keeps pointing out, can predict everything but the future.
Btw, is anyone following this chap Russell Taylor on the Bogpaper blog? If you don’t you may like to have a look. He’s more than good, often finds an angle nobody else does.
http://bogpaper.com/2013/10/16/russell-taylor-ducking-the-debate/
Radford NG @ 16.52
Baron clicked on the link, did the test, and failed abysmally getting only a couple of answers right.
How did you score?
Oh dear, Baron. I scored only 4/10. But the test was filled with lies, blatant lies. Islam a religion of peace? Tell that to the victims of the thousands of Islamic terrorist offences just this year. There was another bomb attack in Egypt today, and more in Syria. Peace!
Alexsandr @ – 20:11
The Manchester police have caught the feral kids.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/boys-aged-14-18-arrested-6210763
Peter from Maidstone at – 21:35
Baron is fully aware of the take you and most if not all the Wallsters have on the followers of Allah, but let the barbarian from the East annoy you again.
The Koran hasn’t changed at all since it was put together 1400 years ago, the hadiths are the same, too. Why then did the Muslims in the Indian Army take orders from the ‘infidel’ British officers 150 years ago? When trouble arose in the Far East it was only Muslim soldiers who boarded the ships, went East, killed other Muslims on our orders (the Sikhs refused to travel on water). Problematic Islam only emerged after WW2 (leaving aside the Grand Mufti’s collaboration with the Nazis), and only because the Arab countries got rich from oil money, and the West’s lost confidence in its culture. It now seems Islam will indeed take over not only Britain, but the world.
Well, if Baron’s memory serves him right, as recently as in the 60s last century it was the Soviets who were supposed to be the rulers of the world. Are they?
And the same fate will befall the followers of Allah. It must. Their strength lies on an accident of nature, their oil deposits, ours on time tested industriousness, initiative free of dogma, imaginative risk taking and stuff like that.
Out of the figure you quoted earlier, the 8mn immigrants currently here, how many are of the Muslim faith? (Say) half. So, Peter, as we still outnumber them 4 to 50 you should worry, but not excessively. Not yet anyway.
Baron, the universal experience of Muslim rule has been one of violent oppression. I have a great many friends, colleagues and contacts within the Christian communities of the Middle East. Islam has always been violent whenever it has been able to exercise hegemony. The Christian civilizations of North Africa, the Christian Kingdom of Nubia, the Christian communities among the Arabs. All destroyed. The Mad Mahdi of Sudan. It is impossible to avoid creating a lengthy list of Muslim violent repression and supression of civilization.
We happen to be facing a particular set of circumstances, but as recently as the last century Muslims tried to wipe out the Armenian peoples.
I did some calculations a while ago. With present birth rates the Muslim population of the UK will be 10-15 million in my children’s lifetime and they will be dhimmis.
And before you turn in, cheer yourselves up with this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2467474/Tony-Blairs-son-Euan-buys-3-6m-6-bedroom-Georgian-townhouse.html
Is this a part of Britishness worth conserving?
Baron 22.18
I, for one, am very proud of and support the preservation of our Georgian architectural heritage.
However I feel that the malign works of Antony Blair will be more lasting, despite your optimism.
“The evils that men do live after them. The good is often interred with their bones.”
Baron – 22:18 ‘Georgian townhouse purchase’
The Help to Buy scheme has been very successful, but the Government now sees few needy people requiring financial help, and therefore there is no reason to continue this expensive subsidy for house purchasers.
Danial Greenfield writes about the States, but doesn’t what he identify apply equally to the UK?
“…There’s a reason we have a welfare state. And it’s not just because of Louisiana Walmart shoppers. It’s because there’s an equally parasitic economic infestation on top of them. And another one on top of them.
That’s not just true of food stamps. It’s true of every area of the welfare state. There is an infrastructure of
1. Government workers to administer the whole thing in the public sector,
2. Non-profits cashing on community service grants
3. Corporations and businesses making money from it on the other end
It’s not just that we have a welfare state. We also have a growing welfare economy backed by for-profit and non-profit lobbies…”
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/the-problem-isnt-just-welfare-abuse-its-the-enablers/
Three out of ten, I am deeply ashamed it should have been less.
Baron – Thanks for the link to Blog Paper. I’ll be dropping in now and then. He’s a good thinker.
Some thoughts to end the week (at least the end of the week where I am)
These Ten Things Will Disappear In Our Lifetime
(Even given the average age on this site [I suspect] More scary than humorous!)
Whether these changes are good or bad depends in part on how we adapt to them. But, ready or not, here they come.
1. The Post Office
Get ready to imagine a world without the post office. They are so deeply in financial trouble there is probably no way to sustain it long term. Email, Fed Ex, and UPS have just about wiped out the minimum revenue needed to keep the post office alive. Most of your mail every day is junk mail and bills.
2. The Cheque
Britain is already laying the groundwork to do away with cheque by 2018. It costs the financial system billions of dollars a year to process cheques. Plastic cards and online transactions will lead to the eventual demise of the cheque. This plays right into the death of the post office. If you never paid your bills by mail and never received them by mail, the post office would absolutely go out of business.
3. The Newspaper
The younger generation simply doesn’t read the newspaper. They certainly don’t subscribe to a daily delivered print edition. It will go the way of the milkman and the laundry man. As for reading the paper online, get ready to pay for it. The rise in mobile Internet devices and e-readers has caused all the newspaper and magazine publishers to form an alliance. They have met with Apple, Amazon, and the major cell phone companies to develop a model for paid subscription services. This site, like many others, proves the internet is more powerful that the print medium ever was.
4. The Book
You say you will never give up the physical book you hold in your hand and turn the literal pages. I said the same thing about downloading music from iTunes. I wanted my hard copy CD. But I quickly changed my mind when I discovered I could get albums for half the price without ever leaving home to get the latest music. The same thing will happen with books. You can browse a bookstore online and even read a preview chapter before you buy. And the price is less than half of a real book. And think of the convenience! Once you start flicking your fingers on the screen instead of the book, you find you are lost in the story, can’t wait to see what happens next, and you forget you’re holding a gadget instead of a book.
5. The Land Line Telephone
Unless you have a large family and make a lot of local calls, you don’t need it anymore. Most people keep it simply because they’ve always had it. But you are paying double charges for the extra service. All the cell phone companies will let you call customers using the same cell provider for no charge against your minutes. I would add that Skype will most probably see off the ‘phone companies. Being the other side of the planet (and half a continent away from my son) we can talk (and, perhaps more importantly) see family members whenever we wish for free. (OK – not free, part of our internet supply cost)
6. Music
This is one of the saddest parts of the change story. The music industry is dying a slow death. Not just because of illegal downloading. It’s the lack of innovative new music being given a chance to get to the people who would like to hear it. Greed and corruption is the problem. The record labels and the radio conglomerates are simply self-destructing. Over 40% of the music purchased today is “catalogue items,” meaning traditional music the public is familiar with, older established artists. This is also true on the live concert circuit. To explore this fascinating and disturbing topic further, check out the book, “Appetite for Self-Destruction” by Steve Knopper, and the video documentary, “Before the Music Dies.”
7. Television
Revenues to the networks are down dramatically. Not just because of the economy. People are watching TV and movies streamed from their computers. And they’re playing games and doing lots of other things to take up the time usually spent watching TV. Prime time shows have degenerated down to lower than the lowest common denominator. Cable rates are skyrocketing and commercials run about every 4 minutes and 30 seconds. I say good riddance to most of it. It’s time for the cable companies to be put out of our misery. Let the people choose what they want to watch online and through Netflix.
8. The “Things” You Own
Many of the very possessions we used to own are still in our lives, but we may not actually own them in the future. They may simply reside in “the cloud.” Today your computer has a hard drive and you store your pictures, music, movies, and documents. Your software is on a CD or DVD, and you can always re-install it if need be. But all of this is changing. Apple, Microsoft, and Google are all finishing up their latest “cloud services.” It means when you turn on a computer, the Internet will be built into the operating system. So, Windows, Google, and the Mac OS will be tied straight into the Internet.
If you click an icon, it will open something in the Internet cloud. If you save something, it will be saved to the cloud. And you may pay a monthly subscription fee to the cloud provider. In this virtual world, you can access your music or your books, or your whatever from any laptop or handheld device. This is the good news. But, will you actually own any of this “stuff” or will it all be able to disappear at any moment in a big “Poof?” Will most of the things in our lives be disposable and whimsical? It makes you want to run to the closet and pull out a photo album, grab a book from the shelf, or open up a CD case and pull out the insert.
Just a thought. When you finally pop your clogs, who owns your ‘Cloud’ content? Do your kindle archives accrue as part of your estate. And who owns the music you’ve paid to download over a lifetime?
9. Joined Handwriting
Already gone in some schools who no longer teach “joined handwriting” because nearly everything is done now on computers or keyboards of some type (pun not intended)
10. Privacy
If there ever was a concept we can look back on nostalgically, it would be privacy. It’s gone. It’s been gone for a long time anyway.. There are cameras on the street, in most of the buildings, and even built into your computer and cell phone. But you can be sure 24/7, “They” know who you are and where you are, right down to the GPS coordinates, and the Google Street View. The TV show “Person of Interest” isn’t as far out as you may think. If you buy something, your habit is put into a zillion profiles, and your ads will change to reflect those habits.. “They” will try to get you to buy something else. Again and again.
All we will have left with, and can’t be changed, are “Memories”
Wonder where I got my blog name from?
It seems it’s not only Britain that pays unemployment benefits to claimants from other EU countries (and countries further afield):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2468189/Dont-mention-ze-dole-One-tenth-Britains-expat-population-claiming-23-000-unemployment-payments-Germany-benefits-Europe-revealed.html
Clear Memories at – 09:45
Enjoyable to read, your nostalgic essay to end the week. In most part, it’s mankind moving forward, something that applies to the past, too, if not in the same magnitude, and perhaps at a slower speed, you know, steam, railways, electricity…
What often scares Baron isn’t so much the change of the platforms of delivery (say) a Kindle against the paper, download music against the vinyl, CD, but the scarcity of talent backing the new stuff that’s delivered. You touch on it under ‘Music…catalogued items.’
There is increasingly less of an original stuff that would file under the survivability heading. Baron often uses comparison of Russia, the Tzar years against the years of the Soviets for literature. The former produced Tolstoy, Pushkin, Lermontov, Turgenev, Chekov …., the latter FA if one excludes Sholokhov (Quietly flows Don), a novel he may have stolen from a White officer killed in the civil war.
And it’s like this because humans are at their best for imaginative creativity when they suffer, when life’s tough, unforgiving, uncertain, and vice versa, feed the unwashed well, they grow obese, lay on sofas, smoke dope, claim Welfare benefits.
Need is the mother of a hidden talent, but who needs to even lift a finger in a talented way when the society provides?
Has anyone seen Malfleur? On any other blog? Baron’s missing his wit and click-on recommendations.
MALFLEUR, where the hell are you?
Clear Memories at – 09:45 ‘The List!’
1. The Post Office – The local bank branch may also disappear. That may inhibit company startups.
2. The Cheque – I thought it was planned to go, but then they said that it was still going to be available for local groups etc, but not shops and other businesses.
3. The Newspaper – there needs to be a better way of paying professionals to write articles on the Internet for people with a common interest or view. This site may be one of them!
4. The Book – Some books will stay, for study, reference and meaningful reflection! But between the books and newspapers there are magazines, so there will be a battle as to can get the right mix and find a way to pay them: perhaps, a weekly hard copy delivery, to have something physical to hold and read, with the Internet for real time updates. It is being done already, but there are many variations that could be done.
5. The Land Line Telephone – It is all to do with costs, reliability and bandwidth! For example I use powerline ethernet around the house because it is more reliable than wifi, then use wifi some times for the final few feet to the ‘terminal’! With larger bandwidths required for better TV, I think land line telephones will be part of a bundle that will also include music and TV content, with mobile phones to complete the picture. It is the mix that will become more talked about than the means of transport.
6. Music – the music industry will become less dominated by big music companies with MONEY! (That’s big money!). There will, hopefully, be more individuals making their own way, which is what used to happen way before the Beatles, and more live performances. This might also encourage more people who can sing, into the spotlight! Again I don’t know if you always own your music in the cloud!
7. Television – Yes, prime time shows HAVE degenerated down to lower than the lowest common denominator. And the BBC is the mouth piece of the EU. It will change when, like newspapers, better methods of common interested people can pay for their own channel.
8. The “Things” You Own – I don’t think you own Kindle editions. I don’t use it yet, but it is not as simple as you might think. People with money in Cyprus banks found they didn’t own the money in their bank accounts and governments are thinking, even more, that all our money is theirs and that, from time to time, we are allowed a fraction of it! Sad days indeed!
9. Joined Handwriting – People can’t add up either and don’t know their tables! 🙂 They think windmills are the answer! At least we will be able to use the ability to do joined handwriting as a test for choosing suitable applicants.
10. Privacy – Not buying into it can delay this, like not using Facebook, though the Authorities have so much information they probably don’t make much use of it. Years ago, when things were local, there was not that much privacy. Everyone down the road would soon know who your new girl friend was – or even worse! What is new is that much of the information can be consolidated and retrieved by people we do not know.
Do you have a brother who hasn’t made contact for ages, Lost Memories, and you must remember your other brother, Forgotten Memories?
What about the things that have gone or dramatically changed ?
1 Horses – main ‘engine’ of transport, now a profitable leisure industry and sport
2 Blacksmith – important for maintaining horse transport, now makes wrought iron gates etc.
3 Canals – same as horses!
4 Singles and LPs – they are returning!
5 Home Bread making – automated, thanks to the Japanese!
6 David Hamilton and Tony Blackburn, sorry, but they are still on the radio, on Radio Devon and Radio Berkshire, respectively!
7 Woolworths, Comet, now we have Amazon!
I am sure there are more.
Clear Memories (09:45)
Worthy of a ‘proper post’ with a suitable illustration.
Btw the process you describe has, in one form or another, been ever thus in the constant flux. Seems only human nature persists in its stubborn refusal to adapt, hence its chronicle of conflict and confusion.
How about this as an illustration (with sound). 🙂
sri – forgot to link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tktOHzhAAjs
And in similar vein, an American pal just posted this somewhat naive and typical American slant on an English phenomena – since when has Kent ever not been a suburb of the Metropolis?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/20/magazine/is-kent-the-westchester-of-london.html?emc=eta1&_r=0
CM I agree with most of your post. Except books. I always prefer real books. And Amazon gives me next day delivery for a fixed annual subscription. Its easy to print just one book so I don’t see them disappearing. Music is to be heard and the medium is less important. But holding and handling a book is part of the experience of reading. I only read ebooks when I really can’t wait or can only get a PDF or I am reading for research. Otherwise it is a book all the time.
Frank, I love Kent very much but the NY Times is deceived if it thinks Margate and Folkestone are leading a renewal.
and let em go again
not on bail so suspect the wrong people
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24597174
Alexsandr they’ve got to come back for further questioning so may not have enough evidence yet.
Clear Memories October 20th, 2013 – 09:45
Hello CM are you not being a tad pessimistic? not your usual self, I remain as one of the ‘glass more than half-full brigade’ and because of this disagree with every point.
1. The Post Office, will I am sure continue to reduce in number but disappear? never, in my small town that once boasted three sub-post offices and one main, we are now down to just the main but there are constant queues.
2. The Cheque, Britain is already laying the groundwork to do away with cheque by 2018, This has now been rescinded, cheques will remain.
3. The Newspaper “The younger generation simply doesn’t read the newspaper” but older people do and the young eventually become older.
4. The Book. Gimmicks may come and go but the book will be with us forever.
5. The Land Line Telephone, all businesses, services, local government NHS etcetera will always need a landline as will the great many old fossils like me who see mobiles as the devils toys.
6. Music I do not know enough to comment.
7. Television, not everyone wants to watch news, politics, soaps and films on line.
8. The “Things” You Own, I think this was only added to get the number up to ten.
9. Joined Handwriting can be and often is a thing of beauty, and so it will always be with us.
10. Privacy, they have not yet found a way of reading our thoughts.
alexandr at 14.29
As PeterfM says they have t come back, if they’re the wrong people the police will eventually catch the real culprits. What worries Baron is what the criminal justice system will do after they’re caught. Plenty of outreach tossers, councillors, youth workers all paid through our taxes will get involved, the court will mere slap them on the wrist.
Frank P @ 13:29
Memories indeed, for someone like Baron with future measured in days if not hours it’s all that’s left to enjoy.
Not perhaps entirely true as one can always find something that brings pleasure and delight to one’s life, like visiting churches, and in the Baron’s catchment these are in abundance. Armed with Simon Jenkins’s ‘England’s Thousand Best Churches’ Baron and his wife have now been to dozens of them.
Today, it was the turn of Polstead , a parish in the Suffolk Hundred of Babergh. The most notable feature of their church is the brickwork dating from the times of the Norman invasion. It’s a weird feeling to touch a brick made and laid almost a millennium ago. Even Pevsner got exited claiming these to be the earliest English bricks after the Romans. If Peter’s right one has to experience such rarity before the worshippers of Allah turn this little gem into a mosque.
The village itself is quite charming spread over a number of Suffolk size hillsides with a large pond in the middle. It was the scene of a famous murder. A local farmer’s boy William Corder made a local girl Maria pregnant, promised to marry her if she eloped with him to Ipswich dressed as a boy. She did left home in 1827, was never seen again. All searches for her and Colder came to nothing. Then her affectionate step-mother had a dream for three consecutive nights that she was murdered, buried near a cottage called the Red Barn. The step-mother insisted her husband went to look. He did, a body was found there, and another search for Colder began.
He was found living married in Middlesex, brought back to the Bury St Edmunds court, found guilty and hanged. After the execution the hangman sold the rope at a guinea per inch. Corder’s body was flayed by the prison surgeon. A copy of the printed account of the trail bound in Corder’s own skin is still kept in the Bury’s museum, together with the murderer’s skull.
They don’t treat murderers like that any more, do they, Frank?
Baron’s worse than the guardian. Apologies for the mistakes in the above rant. Baron must check stuff before posting
Unforgivable that, it should have been ‘the Guardian’.
Repression and suppression of all dissent in China, just as Obsorne, Johnson and Cameron suck up to the Chinese. They should be allowed no privileges here in the UK, no business contracts and no deals on visas.
Baron;
As the Pearly Gates loom on the near horizon for me also, I find myself less impressed now than I was of a child by the architecture of Mother Church in all her guises, the maintenance of which has led, for one spurious justification or another, to more early arrivals at the mythical PG, still bearing the scourges, mutilations and buggerations of venal, vicious and vengeful popes, mullahs prelates and priests clad in their ornate raiment, than natural disease and accident combined.
A plague on all their blood-soaked histories and their weasel words and excuses for it. The exploitative coercion of the weak and gullible by threats and promises as to the hereafter; the gilded edifices of their towers and temples, mosques the whited sepulchres, all designed to cow the sheeples rather than elevate their spirit, are a persistent reminder to me of the willingness of homo sapiens to be suborned to fear and seduced by hope.
Personally I’m ready for the Big Sleep in the one 5 Star hotel where you’re admitted with no baggage whatsoever, because none will be needed. Peace at last!
But don’t let me put you off your comforting thoughts about the possibilities as to what’s in store for each of us; use whatever Vaseline is right to ease your passage from the here to eternity. 🙂
What’s your choice of exit music, btw? What is the last piece you would wish to hear as the auditory senses falter and fade?
Keep your chin up fella; you sound as though there are a few more blogs to go yet in those fiery fingers. And what’s a chap who once castigated me for apologising for typos, now doing committing the same sin? “It’s only a blog”, you expostulated – remember?
Baron October 20th, 2013 – 17:22
“Then her affectionate step-mother had a dream for three consecutive nights that she was murdered, buried near a cottage called the Red Barn. The step-mother insisted her husband went to look. He did, a body was found there, and another search for Colder began.”
I bet that the “affectionate step-mother” did it, how else could she know where the body was buried.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1
Anne I thought about you today, my beloved had forgotten to buy a couple of items when we were making purchases at Lakeland in Harrogate earlier in the week, and as we would be having a quiet Sunday (nobody was coming for lunch), I suggested we go today to buy that which she needed.
After this I suggested ‘Bettys’ for lunch, as we queued outside; (there is always a queue) I mentioned to my wife that I had recommended this place and venue to you, I also told her, that I had said you will see nothing to offend the eye.
Just then I turned around and there were a group of four; very short, very fat Eastern Mediterranean young women all dressed in voluminous drab (not too clean) cardigans with skirts that reached right down to the pavement, and each had swathes of scarfs wrapped around their faces and mouths acting as makeshift burkas.
The pretty young woman handing out menus and doing the job of official greater and seat placer, suggested that they might be happier if she placed them in the basement.
We had a lovely table by the front window, I think that might be what is oft called Yorkshire Grit.
Just missed baron, my wife and I plus our dog went for a walk in polstead today.
Collected some chestnuts, and had a pint at the pub.
Sat outside and enjoyed some nice weather.
A nice Sunday afternoon .
I’m up for a CHW meetup in Polstead? I used to visit a restored Church in Mickfield, North of Ipswich, and always used to see the turning to Polstead on the A12. It rang a bell because of the Red Barn murder.
David Ossitt
” It wuz the step-movver wot dun it”
Or perhaps not, I think Frank P would have followed in the footsteps of his august predecessor, Mr Ayres, in locating and banging up the said Will Corder.
Still, no smoke without fire and you arn’t the only sceptic in the matter of the step-mother, who was rumoured to have been involved with Corder….
And the Judge was Baron Alexander…no relation to the blueveined slav I’m sure..but who knows?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Barn_Murder
And do check out the link to Spring Heeled Jack.
And thank you Baron, for a fascinating diversion.
Hello, David,
Seems we cannot escape the buggers wherever we go! Hope you had a nice meal.
David Ossitt
October 20th, 2013 – 16:16
10. Privacy, they have not yet found a way of reading our thoughts.
Don’t be so sure……………
“Such a mine had been detonated on the afternoon of September 4th beneath the bastion of England, creating a ramp of rubble and a twelve-metre gap in the wall through which charged the waiting Turkish troops. It was a brutal engagement that lasted until evening. Courage and fortitude were commodities in ample supply on both sides, and both sides were led into battle by their respective commanders, De L’Isle Adam and Qasim Pasha. Eventually, climbing by then over a mound of their own dead and raked by fire from the Post of Aragon, the Turks lost the impetus of their thrust and were carried back by a wall of armour and broadswords.”
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/10/the-cross-and-the-crescent-rhodes-1522-part-2/
Oh dear, this is not the English way…couldn’t they have just invited the Turks in for a cup of tea or given them all immigration passes instead of behaving like, well, like Nazis – there! I’ve said it!?
Frank P @ 18:46
What a splendid memory for someone near Baron’s age, Frank, but not perfect. The poorly educated Slav has also urged you to write, not just blog. You, young sir, are wasting a talent many others would die for.
Does it matter what music gets played when one’s gone? Or you reckon it’s for the good of one’s soul as it parts with the decrepit body shell? Baron hasn’t yet got to the stage where the need to decide on the choice of music is imminent. When the time comes it will be either Allegri’s Miserere (what can can the sinful barbarian ask for the Maker but miserere mei, Deus), or Dvorak’s American, the slow bit.
David Ossitt at 19:42
Noa’s link says it all (Baron didn’t know the murder was on Wiki), it was the rascal Corder who did it all right.
The point the link doesn’t is that although petty crime was a common occurrence, murders were rare, and if one came along it was ‘appreciated by all’, often embellished, blown up, entered the local folklore.
Noa at 21:04
Not the same lineage, Noa, although the two Barons share the same sentiment when it comes to murder.
Malfleur at 23:04
But were the English informed by the guiding spirit of the ‘uman Rights Act’ when they detonated the device?, that’s the question one has to ask, my blogging friend.
John birch @ 19:53
How on earth have you misssed the barbarian from the East? More to the point, how did he manage to miss you? Still, you’ve enjoyed the afternoon, and that’s the thing that matters.
A forgotten gem for late night Wallsters.
Jonathon Meades on jerry building
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTfbBvIEbfA
I’m nearly 30 and living in China near Shanghai. A lot of the bad things I’ve heard about China, I rarely see in my daily life. We all know the image of the student standing in front of the tanks, but it’s not something you hear about happening on the coast.
Before summer I travelled west to Gansu province and visited a remote Tibetan tourist destination called Xia He. It was a beautiful little place, about 50% Tibetan 40% Chinese 10% Chinese Muslim. The weather was cool but there was plenty of sunshine and the air was clean. The water looked like ours and the sky was clear. In China they refer to this as being ‘undeveloped’.
Xia he (think it’s translated as Summer River) is a little town surrounded by mountains, about 5 hours by bus from Lanzhou city. The Chinese side of town is dull. The buildings are unremarkable and soviet in design. One little Chinese hotel rejected me for being a foreigner, apparently the local police don’t like it. It’s easier to sweep foreigners out of town when there’s trouble, see. Nevermind, the hostel around the corner was 2 quid a night and took a quick glance at my passport without needing to enter any information into a silly GeorgeOrwell/MrBean database.
My stay was pleasant, without any drama. I rented a bicycle and went around the Tibetan buddhist side of town. There are monks everywhere on this side of town, dressed in red cloaks with shaved heads. They walk around listlessly, go to pray, ride motorbikes, and sell things. Some young buddhist children sing chants to their false idols and expect money for it, I guess you can see similar scenes around the world. Around this area they sell round loaves of bread. Crusty on the outside. Soft on the inside. If you’ve ever been to China, you will love the bread from this town. It’s better than our bread. In China it’s not easy to find good bread. It costs about 30p.
The buddhist area is surrounded by buildings with spinning prayer wheels. Illiterates would forget their prayers, or perhaps not learn them in the first place, so they would spin these beautiful red prayer wheels they say would send their prayers up to heaven for them. Lazy, but there you are.
About the town, the Tibetan residents hate the Chinese with a passion. They are burning with hatred for everything Chinese. They love everything that’s in the English language. The residents have grown up in that town, and without passports they cannot leave the country. One told me that he can’t even leave the town. But they can speak fluent English. They have grown up speaking to every foreigner who enters the town and have picked up the language that way.
One story I heard was that during riots in Tibet, Xiahe (being a Tibetan town not actually in Tibet) had its own riots. Tanks were brought in and a few rioting monks were killed. Some survivors escaped to the mountains and lived in exile for a few years.
China still brings out tanks to smash its own citizens. But these days it’s not likely to be Han Chinese who get crushed.
DG -I, too, visited a Tibetan area … but it was at the top of Pakistan. Ladakh. It was wonderful … the monasteries, the monks, the long horns they blow, the prayer wheels.