The Coffee House Wall – 16th/22nd June

Posted on June 16, 2014

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125 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 16th/22nd June”

  1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27860922
    David Cameron has been defending his plan to have British values taught in every school in England, saying that a more “muscular” promotion of them is required.
    Marriage. once the corner stone of family stability and British decency is steadily on the decline with Britons practicing cohabitation and casual couplings. But do not despair, marriage is alive and well!
    Campaigners welcome a law coming into effect in England and Wales making it a criminal offence to force people into marriage as “a huge step forward”. Forced marriage calls rise – NSPCC Forced into marriage, pregnant by 13 Watch Forced marriage: Bounty gangs hired Children face forced marriage risk. This is one of the headlines on today’s BBC website. Surely Mother and Father Brown are not responsible for this primitive surge in child marriage, it must be the barbarians once again.

  4. “”We had kids saying ‘What are you playing with the white kid for? What are you playing with the Christians for?’ The dad of one of the Pakistani heritage pupils at the school even told me I should ‘get rid of the white kids’….

    …The revelation comes as Prime Minister David Cameron called for every school child to be taught the “British values” enshrined in Magna Carta.”

    (Op.Cit)

    “Iraq crisis: ISIS seizes new city as Western diplomats evacuated from Baghdad – live” Daily Telegraph

    “And here’s to you, Tommy Robinson,
    Jesus loves you more than you will know.
    God bless you, please Tommy Robinson.
    Heaven holds a place for those who pray,
    Hey, hey, hey
    Hey, hey, hey”

  5. I’m lookin’ for the man that shot mah paw. Low down son of a gun name of Cigar Chompin’ John Jefferson Burns.

  6. Anne Wotana Kaye 1
    June 16th, 2014 – 09:52
    “But do not despair, marriage is alive and well!”

    Well, gay marriage is certainly alive and well, thanks to Cameron.

  7. Lesley C.
    June 16th, 2014 – 17:08
    If I’m not being rude to gays, Cameron does look a bit like a poofta. He’s got a mouth like a pussy cat’s ass!

  8. It is a bit of a shock to find a Good News item, but here is today’s:

    D-Day veteran Bernard Jordan ‘overwhelmed’ after receiving 2,500 birthday cards

    Bernard Jordan, who absconded from his care home to join his comrades in Normandy for D-Day, receives thousands of cards and presents on his 90th birthday

    “But the former Royal Navy officer decided his birthday should be more low-key [than his visit to Normandy] and is celebrating it quietly with friends and his wife Irene, a spokesman for the veteran said.
    The Candy Girls, who met Mr Jordan on his way to France, will also be singing to him, the spokesman said.
    The former mayor of Hove said he wanted to thank everyone for their good wishes after being inundated with at least 2,500 birthday cards from around the world following his Normandy adventure.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/10903371/D-Day-veteran-Bernard-Jordan-overwhelmed-after-receiving-2500-birthday-cards.html

    It just goes to show that you never know what is around the corner!

  9. ‘Die is cast’ for Jean-Claude Juncker to take the EU’s top job as defeat looms for David Cameron

    The “die is cast” for Jean-Claude Juncker’s appointment as European Commission president after Angela Merkel turns on David Cameron amid British warnings of a looming political “train crash”

    “British officials have used high-level European diplomat contacts to emphasise that the Conservatives, Liberal Democrats and Labour are united in opposition to Mr Juncker. In one recent discussion, the UK warned that only Nigel Farage’s Ukip and other campaigners against EU membership would benefit from his appointment in Britain.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10902893/Die-is-cast-for-Jean-Claude-Juncker-to-take-the-EUs-top-job-as-defeat-looms-for-David-Cameron.html

    Ha, ha, ha!

  10. I received a book token for my birthday last week and today I bought David Goodhart’s The British Dream about immigration. He has kindly responded to my emails in the past. I am interested in those in what might be called the Labour Movement who are not Marxists and see the Labour Party happy to destroy British working people. Anyhow. I can’t really email him again till I have read his book.

  11. So now the Iranians are the good guys and we must suck up to them.

    what rot. We should trust no-one in that region -we should keep an arms length relationship -or longer.

  13. RobertC @ 20:37

    The German Frau runs the show, Robert, the sooner the boy accepts this the better. Once the disagreement between her and him hit the front pages, he couldn’t have won.

  14. Andy
    I have been looking for you my old mucker.

    I read that your press are blaming the Iraq thing on Blair.
    But we all know that Blair cannot chew gum and piss at the same time.

    The Washington post as with Deep Throat has the Truth.

    As Iraq falls to pieces, Jon Stewart of “The Daily Show,” as usual, went to the archival footage. He showed Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) in 2001 urging the overthrow of Saddam Hussein; he showed Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol warning about Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction; he showed Paul Wolfowitz talking about Iraq’s ability to finance its own reconstruction.

    “Those idiots were ostracized, never heard from again,” Stewart joked.

    In light of recent events, he continued, the news media have “rushed to get the band back together again”: Kristol appeared on ABC News on Iraq; Wolfowitz on NBC News; and Graham on CBS News and CNN. None of those fellows, however, has reaped the exposure of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who was all over the television last week in the midst of the Iraq breakdown. Or, as Stewart put it, “And since John McCain was one of the wrongest before and during the war, it’s only fitting that in this current crisis, he was on so many shows, you’d think he just won ‘Dancing With the Stars.’ ”

    “We had that war won, and we blew it,” McCain said in one of his media ops. After abridging some of McCain’s hawkish views on overseas hot spots, Stewart finished, “The John McCain military victory plan for America is the same as the John McCain media strategy: Be everywhere, forever.”

  16. Alexsandr @ 12:53

    It’s sickening. Only few months ago the G7 tossers were crucifying the KGB colonel because he banned the promotion of homosexuality to the young, now they are sucking up to the most heinous regime in the region, worse even than the Saudis, where they glue penises of gays then force them to drink gallons of water. The bald Yorkshireman is also opening an Embassy in Teheran, the Yanks are sending more troops to Iraq allegedly to protect the 2500 personnel in Baghdad. We are not far from the day the Saudis buy nukes from their Pakistani friends.

    You’re so right saying we should keep as far from the conflict as possible. We have both Shia and Sunni followers here, it’s more than likely some deluded youngsters of either mutation of Islam are fighting in the region. When they are allowed to return, as they will, they may well continue to squabble amongst us, the one thing we must avoid.

    Ironically, it’s all playing into the hands of Ukip.

  17. For my emails I use ‘Outlook’ and until the last couple of days I have never had a problem until now.

    Two days ago I had twenty email delivery failures of emails that I have never sent, yesterday about a hundred and today one hundred and eleven, all with the same message “System Administrator Delivery Failure” all of the supposed addresses are starting with ‘W’ or ‘X’.

    Apart from anything else they are a nuisance because I have to carefully check to see if there are any valid emails amongst them prior to deleting.

    I have the up to date ‘Norton’ for my security, can anyone tell me how to rid myself of this menace?

  18. David Ossitt@June 17th, 2014 – 19:22

    i gave up on outlook some years ago after an email infected my computer. I use web mail now so the emails are not on my computer.
    Google seem to trap most nasties.

    If something has been emailing your address book it may be a nasty on your computer. but if it has been emailing random emails then something is sending emeails but is corrupting them so they purport to come from you. The problem is not on your computer so not a lot you can do. I’d report it to your email provider.

  20. Watching News night. This edition devoted to situation in Iraq, it would be amusing if it were not for the fact that these commentators, paraded as experts are taken seriously. To summarise, total ignorance propagated in the form of verbal diarrhoea. Once more the shite is heading in our direction, get ready to duck.

  21. stephen maybery – 23:16 ‘nn’
    I saw some of it and wondered what planet (@23:01 onwards) they were on when most agreed the World was less violent now, compared to 25 years ago. While the number of guns being fired may be less (???), it does highlight the problem of using one number to describe a world situation.

    In the C 20, wars were mainly political where, in the end, after legitimate armies slogged it out, their governments, at various levels of dysfunctionality, agreed some sort of peace. The two World Wars might have seemed to have no end at the time, but they were fought by conventional armies.
    This century we have had far more religious based violence perpetrated by those with a very different moral code, kidnapping and raping women, killing civilians and prisoners of war, infiltrating their enemy, raping their young girls with impunity and laying in wait for the right time, with the other side not even admitting that there is a war!

    And that woman thinking the tension was between Liberal Democracy and Capitalism and the Prof thinking democracy is the new norm! Unbelievable!

    At least Simon Sharma described the muddle the liberals are in and mentioned religious fanaticism, and (I think) suggested that to the very poor democracy meant being sold consumer goods, which is true! He also suggested some further study, like Locke (I think and others), so at least he is in the real world, at least in part!

  22. There is a view that ISIS is funded by USA, NATO and Saudi Arabia with a view to Saudi Arabia launching Iraq against Iran. Utterly fantabulous speculation of course.

  24. stephen maybery

    Quite so. Funding both sides in a conflict like that in Iraq is quite unheard of.

  25. China will be allowed to design, own and operate a new generation of nuclear power stations in Britain .
    Mail today.
    Who on earth would have beleived this possible 10 years ago.

  27. John Alexander @ 13:03

    Moloney’s right on the need for toppling Saddam, in no way does he address the fiasco of how it was done. To destroy few buildings and bridges, hang the man wasn’t enough, we should have destroyed the evil that he had created by killing, capturing those who kept him in power and the religious nutters he spawned, too.

    When we toppled the Shinto military gang in Japan (the Nazi supremacists in Germany) we stayed in both countries, helped to draft (or rather drafted) a Constitution for both, ensured those still pushing for the evil policies got a proper comeuppance, forced anyone imbued with the old to retire from positions of power, brought in a new generation that listened to us, offered financial help. Both countries have not been a threat to anyone, including their own people, ever since.

    Sorry to hammer the point, but the majority of any unwashed will follow, as the now deceased Osama kept saying, the winning horse. Regretfully, since about the 50s, the winning horse ain’t us, we’ve been shiting into our own nest for far too long, apologising for things we have no responsibility for or control over, arselicking cultures that don’t belong to the 20th century.

    The outcome of it is what we are seeing not only in the Middle East, but elsewhere e.g. Africa, every Dick or Harry is having a go in the knowledge that our political elites will shout, wave arms around, stage photo ops with celebrities, promote homosexuality ……, but not hit hard those who spew evil because it’s whaaaasist, not PC, and against the grain of the multi-culty imbecility promoted by the delusional left leaning progressives. A24 carat madness.

  28. Malfleur @ 01:24

    But, Malfleur, the bulk of the ISIS forces are the same people we were thinking of supporting when the idea of toppling Assad was hot, before the KGB colonel objected to it, the messiah gave up. It may well be that the Yanks did start arming them, then stopped. Nothing shocks anymore, it seems those in charge are utterly clueless.

  29. John birch @ 10:53

    If one thinks about the next 10 or twenty years, it’s even worse, John, it’s madness, strategically. To rely on a power of the kind China is goes beyond the suicidal. It will be the Mandarin speakers who will control the technology, we’ll have to listen, comply if we want the lights on, or else. They’ll have us by the balls even before they push the Yanks to the second place.

  30. Baron,
    I agree completely, what in the name of almighty God did we do to deserve the vapid loons who rule over us? Their complete ignorance of history and the consequences of that ignorance is frightening. Cameron is supposed to hold a degree in history, Whose? and from where did he get it? All the prat is good for is fitting up people like Tommy Robinson, and he will probably try the same trick on Nigel Farage.

  31. Has anyone else noticed that the BBC and MSM have stopped calling the Muslim sect Shiite replacing it with Shia?

  32. It must not be allowed under any circumstances that the Chinese, not our allies in any sense, should be allowed to gain any control over our power network. Indeed their investment in any British infrastructure should be severely limited. We must not seek the investment of totalitarian regimes who wish us no good as if they were neutral players.

  36. We will have to wait and see, but it will certainly be different:

    Bloodbath at the Telegraph: How the House Journal of the Tory Shires lost its Way
    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/06/18/Bloodbath-at-the-Telegraph-how-the-house-journal-of-the-Tory-shires-lost-its-way

    Daily Telegraph’s Brogan departs as group seeks 40 new recruits
    Ex-deputy editor leaves newspaper along with columnist and blog editor Damian Thompson
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/jun/18/dailytelegraph-jason-seiken

  39. RobertC @ 19:09

    Damian Thompson is a loss for the DT, he wasn’t bad at all, it’s a surprise he went. Brogan wasn’t readable whatever his take on the world.

  41. STEPHEN GLOVER: We will rue the day our leaders gave control to China

    via MailOnline for iPhone

    An agreement was reached on Tuesday which could shape the future of this country. Yet it was scarcely reported by the BBC, and entirely ignored by several newspapers.

    Read full article

  45. We certainly need to identify a reliable analysis of the parties funding ISIS. The Daily Telegraph carries a report that ISIS can be expected to attack the United Kingdom. Threats have also been monitored by ISIS against the United States. The suspect in the Benghazi murder of the United States Ambassador and others in Benghazi a couple of years ago has finally been arrested after a period in which he was accessible enough to give interviews to western journalists but could not be located and arrested by the Obama administration. The Benghazi affair, and the death of Ambassador Stevens, is rumoured to be related to arms running through Libya to those who now make up the Al Qaeda force of ISIS. It has been suggested that Ambassador Stevens opposed that policy and had to be taken out.

    So in the United Kingdom, Mr. David Cameron is coming around to alerting us to a threat to our people from islam and in particular from Al Qaeda armed and supported by the West – or certain elements in the West. He is measuring himself one might think for a long overdue suit of English Defence League clothes and his prime ministerial car for “Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll were right” bumper stickers. Too late, old chump, too late!

    Yet if it is shown that ISIS is funded and armed by NATO countries, what conclusions should we draw about the sincerity of the surprise and alarm expressed by Mr. Cameron? Argumentum per crocodilum lacrimae? What further blows do the United States and the United Kingdom need to sustain to remove them as the cornerstones of liberty and civilised life in the dilapidated building of Western culture? Who is aiming the blows? Cui bono?

  46. John birch
    06:15

    “and paid for by the usual suspect.”

    Ah, yes, good old Saudi Arabia – soon to be given use of the grounds, buildings and facilities of the present United States Embassy in Baghdad.

    Now why didn’t we think of encouraging Uncle Joe to open Soviet training centres all over Britain after the war? We could have arrived at where we are today SO much quicker.

    Perhaps Mr. Cameron, or Sir David as he will no doubt be by then, will pop back from Brussels to cut the ribbon at the opening when the Bolton complex is finished – hand in hand with the Saudi Ambassador of course.

  47. John birch @ 05:51

    Good point by Glover, the comparison with Ukraine and Russian gas doesn’t fully highlight the scale of the risks we’re running here. No doubt, it will be the Chinese experts who will understand the nuances of the operation, not us. If push came to shove, it may not take much for someone with immaculate knowledge of the complex hardware and software systems to disable the set up altogether by either activating a hidden bug, or sabotaging a vital hardware part.

    On this, the Yanks have always insisted their national security trumpss all e.g. the ownership of ports, energy generations. We probably have no option, must go for it for the politicians have fugged over the years (with the help of Brussels and the insane green policies) so much that it was either we beg, or have no lights on.

    If a management of a large company were to behave in such fashion, the top people would have been dislodged, possiblly even taken to court for failing if their duty. In politics, it seems one can FU to the point of endangering the security of the whole country, and nothing happens.

  48. It is my age! but I placed this on last weeks this morning. Silly me.

    Good morn,

    You would have thought that a Prime Minister who has warned the country that would be a grave mistake to ignore the threat to this country posed by Islamist extremists returning to this country, would have had emergency legislation prepared for immediate action placing these traitors in custody upon their return.

    But having a weak man in charge with a joke as Foreign Secretary I suppose we shall have to wait until we have a succession of Lee Rigby slaughters on our streets before they wake up and do something!

    I notice the Muslim Council of Great Britain have said absolutely nothing.

    After Cameron’s about turn over Iran and selling more of the country to China we could open up talks with Russia for a trade agreement and joint military ventures.

    (Malfleur makes the interesting observation of the possibility “Yet if it is shown that ISIS is funded and armed by NATO countries”, obviously remembering the role of our German/French/Belgium partners in recent events, no doubt.)

    Life is getting rather confusing. Has anyone any news on dear Verity?

  49. Baron – 09:39
    “If push came to shove, it may not take much for someone with immaculate knowledge of the complex hardware and software systems to disable the set up altogether by either activating a hidden bug, or sabotaging a vital hardware part.”

    Disablement would be preferable to turning it into a bomb!

    DM article: “It was confirmed at the start of a visit here by China’s premier, Li Keqiang, that his country will be allowed to design, own and operate a new generation of nuclear power stations in Britain, subject to unspecified safeguards.”

    I don’t think they mean that, but then again, may be they do!

  51. We need a decent review of what infrastructure, both physical and informational, in the UK is subject to foreign control and must act to regain such control ourselves.

    It is treasonous to even imagine allowing the Chinese to build and operate nuclear power stations in the UK.

  52. I cannot remember I time when my ghast has been so thoroughly flabbered. Not satisfied with handing over our ports media and energy companies to foreign interests, the poofs of political wisdom are now going to hand over control of our nuclear industry to the Chinese. I have a tremendous respect for China, her arts and history are incomparable, but I have no illusions as to what they are, nor did Napoleon “Let China sleep, for when she awakens the World will tremble”.

    In an act of dazzling stupidity our government has, on behalf of China, laid the foundations for an outpost of Tibet in Europe. A bit over the top? just waite and see.

  53. Peter,
    An excellent idea Peter. I have a shrewd suspicion the authorities have the answerers, as they have the answers to electoral fraud by Muslims but are too nervous to admit to this knowledge. What is desperately needed is some intrepid insider to blow the gaff. Why is it that whistle blowers are usually of the Edward Snowdon persuasion?

  55. “Ex-IRS official Lois Lerner’s crashed hard drive has been recycled, making it likely the lost emails of the lightening rod in the tea party targeting controversy will never be found, according to multiple sources.
    “We’ve been informed that the hard drive has been thrown away,” Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, said in a brief hallway interview.” (h/t Drudge Report)

    Well, these things happen; no need to get all conspiratorial about, right?

  56. Peter from Maidstone,

    Thanks for sending Verity an email. Let us hope all is well.

    On your suggestion regarding a website investigating the ownership by China, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, China and I would include Germany of British Interests and property and land within the United Kingdom.

    Surely that is a job for the House of Commons. They can call on all the records etc.

    But the executive are never called to account by the weak government we have.

    Perhaps we should all write to Bercow. For we may all have low opinions of the man, but he certainly has tried hard to make the Executive more responsive to Parliament.

  57. “Benghazi suspect Ahmed Abu Khattallah, seized by the U.S. on Sunday, once served as a key conduit in an effort staged by the U.S. and Arab interests to aid insurgents fighting in Libya and later in Syria, according to informed Middle Eastern security officials.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/shocker-seized-benghazi-suspect-worked-for-u-s/#cVj8vAzvhc3RClY8.99

    So – the guys who killed our guys were paid by our guys to work with the guys who killed our guys while our guys were working to kill those guys who killed our guys and now, after a two year delay, we have captured one of the guys who killed our guys who was paid by us to kill our guys and he will be brought to account by our guys even though that guy is one of our guys……

    I am beginning to get the hang of this.

    But who is the Paymaster?

    Cui bono?

  58. Well, why stop at the gaols – why not run the country? Am I right or am I right?

    “Tommy Robinson, the former leader of the English Defence League, has spoken for the first time about being locked behind bars in a prison that is apparently “a hotbed of Islamic radicalisation.”

    After he was sentenced to 18 months in prison in January 2014 for mortgage fraud [HA! HA! HA!], Robinson – whose real name is Stephen Yaxley Lennon – was sent to Woodhill prison.

    There, 15% of inmates are Muslim – a national average – but, according to Robinson, these prisoners include a number of Islamist extremists who are apparently running the show.

    “I had staff telling me that the guards don’t run the prison, Islam does,” he told The Telegraph.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/18/tommy-robinson-edl-_n_5506644.html

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/jamiebartlett/100013835/the-guards-dont-run-the-prison-islam-does-my-interview-with-a-reformed-tommy-robinson/

  59. Malfleur @ 13:41

    Malfleur, your “the guys who killed our guys….” sounds very much alike the stuff that comes from the workshop of the great Steyn, beats him even, Baron reckons. You have surpassed yourself, consider giving it a wider circulation on other blogs on the issue, and there are many.

    Cui bono indeed. Baron is beginning to think the messiah is a fifth columnist of the ROP, it’s just inconceivable one would be as unlucky as him.

  62. How things come back to haunt you.

    Jihadis mock Michelle on Twitter with ‘Bring Back our Humvee’ image
    http://www.veooz.com/news/OHGxVVW.html

    The jihadis were gloating over the rebels’ capture of hundreds of millions of dollars in US military hardware by making fun of the first lady’s famous tweet last month showing her with a sign that read: #Bring Back Our Girls,” a reference to the schoolgirls kidnapped in Nigeria. The tweet from the Islamists or their supporters was reported by the Web site Gateway Pundit.

  63. stephen maybery 19th, – 11:27

    ” “Let China sleep, for when she awakens the World will tremble”.
    In an act of dazzling stupidity our government has, on behalf of China, laid the foundations for an outpost of Tibet in Europe. A bit over the top? just wait and see.”

    It’s only yet another step down a path that was indicated by Richard Nixon when he conferred on China “most favoured nation” status.

    I don’t recall anybody in the western world complaining then.

  64. Peter from Maidstone@June 19th, 2014 – 11:56

    dont missout the french (trains and EDF energy) and the Germans (trains again-ATW and chiltern)

  65. Peter from M.

    Your water/sewage service is 9+% owned by the UAE and 8+% by China via an Australian holding company. See *Thames Water* and *Kemble Holdings*.

    Thames Water covers the SE from Kent to Gloucestershire and Sussex to Northants.

  66. This is an instructive article on the Muslim Brotherhood network in Britain including a diagram of part of the “family tree” and a vigorous comments section:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/06/19/The-National–Muslim-Brotherhood–its-UK-connections-and-media-attacks-on-the-UAE

    There is an interesting interview here with Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona, surely a policeman after Frank P’s heart:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/19/humphries-exclusive-inteview-arizona-sheriff-joe-a/

  67. Ostrich (occasionally)
    19:26

    “… a path that was indicated by Richard Nixon when he conferred on China “most favoured nation” status”.

    I think this was granted by Slippery Bill Clinton in 1994 – violating his campaign pledge of course.

  69. I note that Saddam Hussein’s stockpile of chemical weapons which never existed has just been captured by Al Qaeda – oh, sorry, by ISIS.
    (h/t Drudge Report)

  70. Malfleur.
    I know Saddam’s chemical weapons never existed. I was in Baghdad when he used them on his own people. Must have been my imagination, never could control it.

  71. Peter.
    Why do the Spectator and the Telegraph ignore it? I am reading Melanie Phillip’s Londonistan for about the fourth time, it is all there, all the answers you require. which is undoubtedly why the lady has not been awarded a damehood while a self absorbed and publicity hungry Hollywood actress has. That’s all. a quick fag and then I’m back to Mel. I mean to say. what else would one do at two thirty in the morning?

  72. stephen maybery@June 20th, 2014 – 02:29

    ‘…what else would one do at two thirty in the morning?’

    go to the dentist?

    (Sorry)

  73. Malfleur 19th, – 23:03

    “I think this was granted by Slippery Bill Clinton in 1994 – violating his campaign pledge of course.”

    I just checked with the almighty Wiki…it was restored in 1980, so you’re right in that it wasn’t ‘Tricky Dickie’, but nor was it ‘Slick Willie’…it was ‘The Peanut Farmer’!
    Anybody after that just extended the status quo. Apparently Uncle Sam now calls it “normal trading relations” to avoid opprobrium for giving totalitarian regimes MFN status.

    The reliability of this is, of course, as suspect as anything else from this source.

    😉

  74. Cameron is sworn at by top public schoolboys: Pupils from Nick Clegg’s old £32,000-a-year school accused of hurling abuse as PM spoke
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2663088/PM-sworn-public-schoolboys-Pupils-32-000-year-Westminster-School-accused-hurling-abuse-Cameron-spoke.html

    “Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg last night condemned the abuse, which he said would have dismayed the philosopher John Locke, a Westminster old boy.”

    I expect John Locke would have also been dismayed at what CMD said about “tackling Islamic extremism”.

    “Mr Rees-Mogg said: ‘People in a democracy are entitled to make their points of course, but it seems terribly bad manners to shout abuse at the Prime Minister. Then again, this is the school that produced Nick Clegg.’”

    That’s better!

  79. Baron – 11:04 “Benghazi”

    Benghazi O’Barmy does have questions to answer but, I suppose, no-one close enough to a microphone is willing to pose the question.

  81. We all know that WMD’s never existed in Iraq, but do we have here?

    “But WMD’s in Iraq; the ones that don’t, or never existed? Amazing, just amazing! The fact that they were still there, in 2014, just waiting for ISIS to come along and seize them, makes me wonder what the hell the US Military was doing from 2003 – 2009? With all the resources we had in country, with all the US Dollars wasted in that country, we couldn’t decontaminate that site, and incinerate them to insure that they never fell into the wrong hands? I thought that was the reason we went there to begin with?

    Maybe the US Military couldn’t find them? And the leftists deny they ever existed. But, ISIS knew they existed, and they sure knew where to find them, and now they have them.

    Whether they’re still fully potent and viable is not the issue; what is the issue is that they are still dangerous and deadly….. to someone.

    And ISIS has them.

    Hooray!”
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/06/saddam_era_wmds_captured_in_iraq_by_isiswaitwhat.html

  83. RobertC 20th, – 14:49

    “Whether they’re still fully potent and viable is not the issue; what is the issue is that they are still dangerous and deadly….. to someone.”

    A dozen or so years ago, when the drumbeat to war was merely the muffled thud of Dubya Bush’s hangover, a magazine, “Air Forces Monthly” I think, published an article on the state of Saddam Hussein’s weaponry. Its sources had concluded that it was all stuff from pre 1991, that, owing to poor quality of manufacture and refining, all the binary materials or nerve gases would by then have polymerised, and that no new manufacture had taken place since.
    So none of them were believed to be dangerous, and the US military knew it (because I’m sure they were the source of the report).
    But their political masters wanted a punch-up under any pretext, and the military were happy to comply, so that all their own weaponry, that had been much improved since 1992, could be tested out under realistic conditions.
    After Bush’s ‘Mission Accomplished’ announcement, searching for WMD that they believed didn’t work just seemed like a waste of time, and wasn’t pursued vigorously.
    I reckon all the stuff ISIS claims to have found is the same clogged-up, solidified stuff that was being reported that dozen or so years ago, that will only hurt someone if it’s dropped on their toes!

  84. Robert C
    Thought CMD stood for Campaign for Muclear Disarmament.

    Just getting me coat….

  85. O(o) – 16:54
    But why not decommission it?

    Were they hoping that others would ‘drop it on their toes’?

    Strange.

  87. Not that I’m interested but,
    OMG THE BOYS DUN BAD.
    Now let’s get back to something interesting .

  90. We could soon have out own Mexican border…

    “An independent Scotland would adopt a humane approach to asylum seekers and refugees in line with our values and our commitment to upholding internationally recognised human rights. We would continue to play a responsible role and provide a place of safety for those seeking asylum.”

    External Affairs Minister Humza Yousaf [or possibly McYousaf]

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/yousaf-outlines-iscotland-asylum-reforms.1403021582

  91. Cameron addresses the problems of the nation : “There is a particular problem in Notts with potholes.I was shown a road that really needs action [in Kimberly]…it effects a lot of hard working people. (Nottm Post,20 June).

    Kimberly is in Broxtowe where the MP,Anna Soubry-a Conservative`A`lister-,has a 389 majority over Labour.Very nice photos of her and Cameron looking at potholes can be found at Mail on line.

  94. well they are in full swing doing top dressing round here. Thats when they spray tar on the road and spread stone chippings on the top. Then leave them to chip peoples cars fr the next month. They are outside my house now doing it.

    why do they do this. Its a horrid botch job, is noisy to drive on and is dangerous in hot weather when the tar melts. and frequently the stone get dislodged leaving random patches with no stones. and it does nothing to fix the real problems underneath. I reckon it should be banned.

  95. telemachus has not visited these hallowed portals for a while

    The themes change not

    For five penneth I insert into the Cameron theme of danger from Brits returning from jihad this from today’s Huff Post

    ‘At issue is the validity of the concept of “Leaderless Jihad” and the idea that “extremist ideology” somehow has created squads of anti-American terrorists lurking in domestic Muslim communities where “Leaderless Resistance” cells and “lone wolfs” are even now plotting acts of “Jihadist” violence–just like the right-wing domestic terrorists in the 1980s and 1990’s which culminated in the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building in April 1995.’

  96. Telemachus,
    I do not doubt that some who travel to the Middle East to fight in the various insurgencies are lone wolves prompted by their own desires, but the majority go because they have been prompted by others.

    Because of my background, I have a deeper insight into these matters than the average Joe, I live in Whitechapel, opposite the East London mosque, that hotbed of Islamic fanaticism. I speak to a wide variety of people, and. because of said personal background Muslims are more open with me than they otherwise would be. Hatred of the West is definitely being fostered. It must be made clear to these malcontents that either they accept our ways or go.

  99. The Times, page 36: FGM check uncovers 30 victims in Swedish class

    “All 30 girls in one class at a Swedish school have been found to be victims of female genital mutilation … Most of the victims discovered in Norrkoping had been subjected to the most severe form of female genital mutilation, causing constant pain.

    Have any classroom checks been done in Britain? Does it get performed on British girls in Iraq, Pakistan etc?

    The feminists are so aggressive in many areas, but not so much in this one.

    And in other news, Julian Huppert complains of Commons ‘bullying’
    “Lib Dem MP Julian Huppert has told the BBC that some of the groans that greet him as he rises to his feet in the Commons amount to bullying.”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22887101

    The Lib Dems deserve to get no votes in next year’s General Election!

  100. Robert,
    Ref. Julian Huppert. There. there son, but if you can not stand the heat, then you should not have gone into the bleeding cookhouse in the first place. Seemples.

  101. Giving someone an indication of how he is viewed and what people think of him is not bullying , it just informs him people think he’s a twat.

  102. Ostrich (occasionally) @ 10:27

    He’s done it in the past, about a year or so ago Moore penned a long narrative saying the Left has won the argument.

  103. These extreme Muslim groups want their women covered in dustbin liners. To be fair I can’t blame them.
    Due to inbreeding most is them are as ugly as sin.

  104. John Birch.
    Not only are they ugly as sin. but due to inbreeding. doolally as well.
    On my last trip to Saudi I was involved in the building of a special hospital on the outskirts of Riyadh. It was reserved for the barmy army the royal family had bred. They’ve probably had to build another half dozen in the interim.

  105. Here is a story elaborating the news that the Obama administration had the US military train ISIS in Jordan – as part of a plan to attack the government of Syria of course, not to be used against Iraq…

    http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2014/06/18/blowback-u-s-trained-isis-at-secret-jordan-base-described-as-covert-aid-to-insurgents-targeting-al-assad/

    As a paraphrase of the saying”my enemy’s enemy is my friend” the Obama regime appears to have adopted the principle that “My friendly enemy is my brother’s enemy and I am my enemy’s friend”.

    Cui bon?

  107. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2664767/Our-weaknesses-benefits-borrowing-migrants-cost-Election-admits-Red-Ed-former-close-aide-turns-him.html

    With the truth we all knew out in the open, UKIP now have a clear path to power, perhaps not this election, but certainly the next.

    The Tory argument “Vote UKIP, get Labour” is now seriously wrong and won’t work for Cameron. Both UKIP and the Tories should, independently of each other, attack the Labour vote. The one thing they mustn’t do, bearing in mind that the ultimate goal is to get out of the EU, is attack each other.

    In 2015, a Tory Government with a neutered Labour Party, a destroyed and electorally-absent Liberal Party and a significant number of UKIP MP’s will herald the Brexit, followed, I believe to the benefit of the entire planet, by the collapse of the corrupt socialist monolith of the EU.

  108. Malfleur, in regard to who benefits from the apocalyptic nightmare that is Syria, and which Iraq is becoming?

    Mr Boot, writing on a different but related topic says…

    Some useful idiots are in fact witting agents of influence, but most are used ‘in the dark’, to use the jargon. By a variety of subtle means they’re made to feel they’re fighting for a better world, whereas in fact they’re working to spread the most diabolical evil known in history.

    I wonder to what extent, in various Government agencies and ministries in the West, there are not lots of such useful idiots working for one small change for the better – as they consider it – but being used en masse to make things a whole lot worse for us all.

  109. Does anyone know of a book they can recommend on foreign investment in UK infrastructure and business. Or a website that specialises in such information from a UK perspective. It seems to me that in regard to Chinese/Saudi/Qatari investment (is that what it is called when your enemies buy up your resources?) either our own Government must be willing to take over such holdings when necessary as an act of sovereignty, or is in fact complicit in the subversion of the integrity of our nation state.

  110. REQUEST: Don’t hesitate to send in some more book reviews. I think we enjoyed the last ones. I’m reading David Goodhart’s book on immigration and will review it in due course myself.

  111. Peter from Maidstone@June 22nd, 2014 – 09:26

    I think you are talking of sequestership. That was done by the US to freeze assets of combatants in the US during WW2.
    check out US law Trading with the Enemy Act (40 Stat. 411), October 6, 1917

  113. The gangster gave a press conference in the White House on Friday to announce with a straight face that he is sending 300 “military advisers” to Iraq…

    The puppet characterised ISIL in the press conference as extremist.

    He took questions from a number of people posing as journalists. None of them asked the petty dictator why he and some crony allies had trained the ISIL that he was sending” advisers” to Iraq to defend against…

    The problem with the United States constitution is that it has no mechanism other than impeachment to remove a criminal president who is destroying the republic.

    At present Congress is also criminal and corrupt and would therefore not support a motion for impeachment.

    If a motion for impeachment were successful and the crook, Obama, were tried and removed, the United States would be stuck with President Biden. In other words, with great difficulty the American people, if they pulled themselves from their stupor of corruption and indifference, or unclasped their lips from the teat of state welfare, could remove the president BUT THEY CAN’T REMOVE THE GOVERNMENT! As the speculation is that El Commandante is merely controlled by others in the White House, there would be no stopping the runaway troika until 2016

    In this respect, the British constitution is more resilient. We can remove the Tweedledum administration and instal the Tweedledee administration. If America falls though, could our constitution stand?

    The card which the Oval Office card sharp has up sleeve in this unprecedented crisis in American governance which can ensure his individual political survival even in the face of a Senate and House of Representative which were miraculously to recover their sense of duty and gird up their togas to impeach the SOB, is of course martial law.

    “In the interests of preserving the republic and the freedom of the people, I have no alternative but to extend my tenure of the presidency for a further three year term and suspend the Bill of Rights”

    Now what would be an event which would justify that?
    .

  114. Ukip voters feel disconnected because they can’t send emails, Chuka Umunna says

    From the mail today.
    Pity they didn’t give his e mail address
    Idiot.

  118. It is looking more and more like Jean-Claude Drunker for president!

    I guess it’s all down to CMD’s negotiating skills.

  119. Can someone remind me how one becomes the president of the European Commission?

    I look forward to hearing the speech of welcome by Nigel Farage.

  120. I quite liked the comment below following this article: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/22/cheney-middle-east-weve-got-hell-problem/

    Kyle Klaus • 3 hours ago
    Who said it? (see answers below) Hint: it is Hillary.

    1) “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.”
    A. Karl Marx
    B. Adolph Hitler
    C. Joseph Stalin
    D. Barack Obama
    E. None of the above

    2) “It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few…… And to replace it with shared responsibility, for shared prosperity.”
    A. Lenin
    B. Mussolini
    C. Idi Amin
    D. Barack Obama
    E. None of the above

    3) “(We)…..can’t just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people.”
    A. Nikita Khrushev
    B. Josef Goebbels
    C. Boris Yeltsin
    D. Barack Obama
    E. None of the above

    4) “We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own … in order to create this common ground.”
    A. Mao Tse Dung
    B. Hugo Chavez
    C. Kim Jong Il
    D. Barack Obama
    E. None of the above

    5) “I certainly think the free-market has failed.”
    A. Karl Marx
    B. Lenin
    C. Molotov
    D. Barack Obama
    E. None of the above

    6) “I think it’s time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched.”
    A. Pinochet
    B. Milosevic
    C. Saddam Hussein
    D. Barack Obama
    E. None of the above

    Answers
    (1) E. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton – 6/29/2004
    (2) E. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton – 5/29/2007
    (3) E. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton – 6/4/2007
    (4) E. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton – 6/4/2007
    (5) E. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton – 6/4/2007
    (6) E. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton – 9/2/2005

  121. “David Cameron will call for a vote from fellow EU leaders on the next European Commission president if there is an attempt to rubber-stamp Jean-Claude Juncker in the role.” (h/t BBC News)

    Does anyone remember that old catch-phrase from the late 1950s-early 1960s: “Wot abaht the workers!”

  123. RobertC
    June 22nd, 2014 – 22:06

    I just saw the point of your post while looking through the Mail Online!

    But I have to say that the article there adduces extenuating circumstances: someone who likes to drink cognac for breakfast cannot be ALL bad…

  124. I think everyone needs to support Cameron on the Junker question. Has UKIP taken a position yet?

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