The Coffee House Wall – 17th/23rd June

Posted on June 17, 2013

This is the Coffee House Wall for this week. I won’t say that it is your chance to communicate with us, as we are all in this together. It is, nevertheless, the Conservative Blog post that has no particular theme, and where everything is on topic. Let’s just remember that we want to avoid ad hominem attacks on others. We don’t want to engage with trolls. We want to moderate our language ourselves as responsible and mature adults, choosing to use fruity language only where it is necessary. This is our opportunity to show what the Spectator Coffee House Wall could have been like.

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248 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 17th/23rd June”

  1. Doesn’t it show that our law makers are incompetent when Culture Secretary Maria Miller tells us that they are about to propose changing the Public Order Act so those who believe same-sex weddings are wrong can say so publicly without fear of prosecution.

    New law will ‘protect gay marriage critics’: Act will help those who believe marriage should be ‘between a man and a woman’
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2342893/New-law-protect-gay-marriage-critics-Act-help-believe-marriage-man-woman.html

    The ‘what else have they left undone’, the unknown unknowns, generate more foreboding than the known unknowns.

    So, will those who criticise people speaking on behalf of traditional marriage be procecuted?

  2. Please, would people avoid the phrase ‘constantly ramming it down everyone’s throats’ when discussing homosexual marriage and ‘gay rights’.

    I find it distasteful.

  3. RobertC
    June 17th, 2013 – 09:48
    Brilliant! Equal to most anything Wilde would have said.

  4. “In awe I watched the waxing moon ride across the zenith of the heavens like an ambered chariot towards the ebon void of infinite space wherein the tethered belts of Jupiter and Mars hang forever festooned in their orbital majesty. And as I looked at all this I thought…….I must put a roof on this lavatory.”

    Les Dawson (1934 – 1993)

  7. PfM
    19.55. 6/15
    That is surely the point. Wretched Socialists who want to bring us all down to their gutter standards.
    I prefer Church Leader Welby’s approach:

    The archbishop of Canterbury has praised British Muslim organisations for their response to the murder of Lee Rigby, saying that the UK’s different religious communities are in a good position of co-operation and mutual support. “We have all been appalled by the brutal murder of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich,” said Justin Welby during a joint appearance in Leicester with Sheikh Ibrahim Mogra, the assistant secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain.

  16. John Richardson
    June 16th, 2013 – 21:55

    Thank you John much appreciated.

  17. I posted this at the end of last weeks wall, I should have posted here.

    Alexsandr June 17th, 2013 – 10:39
    Malfleur@June 17th, 2013 – 08:23

    Swaledale is lovely.

    This brings back a fond memory, I have never as a child or as an adult played truant but just the once.

    Our youngest who was forty this year was about six, the day was glorious and so I cancelled that day’s work, kept Sarah out of school and headed with my wife and daughter of towards the North and Swaledale.

    It was when we had left all of the main roads and I was driving down a hillside country lane with high stone walls at each side that on turning a corner I had to swerve sharply and drive up what little bit of verge there was to allow a fully grown bull to pass, he was charging up the hill towards us with a large piece of rawhide tied to his face, in effect a blind-fold.

    As we continued a loan farmer and dog came chasing after the bull, at the bottom was the farmers wife, we stopped to ask what was going on, the story was that the ‘bull’ was a jumper of walls, the vet had suggested the blind-fold to discourage this practice but on this first trial the bull had walked up to the wall butted it walked backwards and then run at and cleared the wall to freedom.

    All of the Dales are pretty, however Swaledale is particularly so.

  18. This also.

    Anne Wotana Kaye 1 June 17th, 2013 – 09:36

    “Britain is prepared to roll over and surrender to the muslims. It’s a nightmare from which it seems there is no awakening.”

    Chin up Anne, things will improve, please do not be downhearted

  19. David Ossitt
    June 17th, 2013 – 16:01
    David, thanks for your words of hope. I am feeling really unhappy, and I think the dreadful events when that poor soldier was literally butchered near the barracks has completed the misery. Enjoyed reading your posting about the Dales, and am sure your daughter, Sarah, will always remember that wonderful day.

  20. At least the Met. is keeping-up with the game.Some-What-Senile-Demented Frankie Fraser given ASBO for abusing fellow care-home resident.[According to recent reports.]

  21. Seriously; why does Cameron think it a vote-winner to make the middle-classes pay £11-70 for a bottle of GIN now on sale at ALDI for £9-65p? [That’s 26units times 45p at minimum pricing.]

  22. David Ossitt@June 17th, 2013 – 16:00
    I fear you may be too late this year to see hay meadows in Swaledale or indeed anywhere.
    They will have been mown to make………hay
    If they are not mown, incedentally, they degrade and the meadow is lost. The mowing keeps the ecosystem going.

    I have a memory of sitting in a hayfield in Wensleydale some years ago with my 4 year old grand-daughter. The grass was taller than she was sitting. A magic half hour. She starts big school this year!

  23. D. Ossit

    No prob. let me know if you cannot find the relevant stuff as it is the Motherload of the-BBC-is-destructive-and-dangerous-on-AGW type evidence.

    AWK1

    Glad to see you are perking up a little.
    I would not presume to offer you advice as I am sure that I need enough of my own. Still, I’d hope there must be more reason for you to NOT be very unhappy ?!!?
    I mean….look….more people in the UK are killed (in a BAD four year period) by being struck by lightning than are killed by the entire might of the massed armies of their Prophet.
    Yet, I fear no thunder.
    Look at things my way…..56 killed killed on the tube….rumbling thunder…..one butchered in the street……looks like a storm…….do I hate the Muslim children in my class….er….NO!…..I don’t and I still ain’t scared of a storm.

    Still, not convince?….I can tell you are not.
    OK.
    Try this.

    These Muslims who are gonna get us….are they?
    I have not come across ANY REFUTATION OF THE EVIDENCE THAT DEMONSTRATES 7/7 WAS A SECURITY SERVICE OPERATION.
    None.
    Zero.

    So what makes more sense?

    The retired Justice Dept lawyer who once had a higher security clearance than the sitting US President, and wrote a powerful book exposing IBM (their holorith machine you will know about)) and the holocaust, John Loftus…is wrong. He’s wrong and their WAS no direct MI6 involvement.
    He’s wrong; and although the security services ARE SO S**T that they can trail the supposed terrorists FOR FIVE FRICKING YEARS and still cock up their only fricking job…to stop them killing me (I missed Aldgate East by about 35mins)

    He’s wrong and about a million fanatical killing machines who WANT to die in a fight against me and mine still take about 10-15 years getting their s**t together and after all of that they are still less dangerous than a stormy day. A lot less dangerous.

    Added to which…….added to which we always seem to be invading these useless fanatics and slaughtering them in mass (see the horrific Iraq stats. I posted last week) All their shouting and vail wearing didn’t save Iraq or Egypt or Syria or Libya or Afghanistan or Syria when the Heros started doing their thing did it?

    What makes more sense?

    IMHO Decent people should never be truly unhappy at the sight of this circus of killers liars and theives we call The Worl.

    How many here can say ,’Well, you are wrong John because the Muslims did this to me……………’
    What if NO-ONE who posts here can ACTUALLY SAY ONE SINGLE THING that an ACTUAL (NOT BBC/MI6) Muslim has ever DONE to them in their ENTIRE LIFE?

    What then?

    That would be cause for a little cautious optimism???

    Last weel P. from M. (we do not completely disagree) said Islam was a ‘pressing problem’. This when Gove decides TO PUT CERTAIN PAEDOPHILES INTO THE CLASSROOM TO TEACH.

    I’ve always enjoyed our sometime electronic correspondence AWK1 and it seems wrong you are v. unhappy by certain developments.
    You should see things from my perspective.
    How many deaths by violence and or suicide do paedophiles indirectly caues EVERY DAY?
    John Joseph Loftus has the best security credentials I have ever researched. Even if he IS wrong, storms STILL don’t scare me

    Worrying about a clash of civilisations is a luxury I cannot afford. Real life is too important.

    Hope I have expressed my perspective adequately as we are on the same side but one of us is seriously wrong.

    We should count our blessings. We could have been Jewish/Christian Iraqis. Or Jewish Christian Egyptians. Or libyans.

    Regards.

    Risks Posed by Lightning to People
    Lightning is dangerous. Currently, about 30-60 people are struck by lightning each year in Britain of whom, on average, three may be killed. This compares with about 75 deaths in the much larger USA. The number of people killed by lightning each year has varied markedly. For example, the worst year in recent decades was 1982 when 14 people were killed whereas there were no deaths in 2000 or 2001 – the first years without lightning fatalities since 1937.
    http://www.torro.org.uk/site/lightning_info.php

  25. Anne

    This won’t necessarily lift your spirits, but it should make you laugh (albeit cynically and in in disbelief) and might even incite you to nip down to the local mosque and get yourself converted to Islam – I jest, of course. But apparently everybody is doing it, even the guy who produced Wilder’s Fitna film.

    http://www.steynonline.com/5604/acceptance-silence-and-submission

    Mark Steyn’s last sentence is the crack of doom. But I’ve got news for him: I intend. despite the prognostications of my quacks various, to live into my 90s and rail against the muzzie menace from any platform that will allow me aboard.

    If I fall short of my target, perhaps you would be good enough, with the help of EC to reprise some of my erstwhile commentary, so that I can continue to oppose the barbaric bastards – from the grave. No surrender! No acceptance! No submission! And certainly no silence!

    And I want to hear a similar message from Nigel Farage – he’s been noticeably coy on the subject ( reportedly doesn’t want to frighten the horses).
    Perhaps Noa can explain that – if he’s still extant.

    The bilge that emanates from the MSM about the election of a ‘moderate’ replacement for Armydinnerjacket indicates just how far down the road we are.
    But as the Meuzzin’s call get’s louder, if you listen carefully, you will hear another voice, yelling in riposte …drifting on the wind from the direction of the North West Narfuck Coost (as they say up here),

    “Fuck off you dusky, demented, diabolical douche-bags! And stick your q’razy q’ran up your q’linker-‘q’aq’ed q’hybers!”

    Be of stout heart, Anne. And don’t be doin’ a ‘Lauren Booth’ on us. 🙂

    And WTF is Verity when the SHTF?? Must pop over to Chicago Boyz and see whether or not she’s performing there. Hope she’s okay … just lurking, pro tem, perhaps.

  26. John Richardson
    June 17th, 2013 – 20:04
    Thanks John, but at the moment it’s all stormy weather! Apart from world affairs, personal problems etc. the weather is causing me to suffer from SAD (I think that is what it’s called) a lack of sunshine and normal June warmth. Forgive this whinging, and I’ll thin of what you wrote.

  27. Frank P
    June 17th, 2013 – 21:41
    Should I laugh or cry? Bloody hell, the world has really gone bonkers. Remember that old Army rumour (or maybe it was true) that bromides were added to the drinking water? Looking at the link you sent I think that just maybe the ragheads have dropped something in the watering holes! 🙂

  29. John Richardson:Sorry to upset your picture;but ,yes,I have been abused by the local Taliban who mistook me for a Jew.There again the jihadists are ignorant pigs.Seeing the killers in Woolwich what do I see;the local yardy/pimp/drug-pusher type.Twenty years ago both `mentally sick` people and the Provos had a kill score of two victims every three weeks.It is not the potential of the jihadists;even without them we are in a bad way from `ultra-whigite-radicals`,or who-ever.If anything the jihadists are firming-up elements in the nation.// AND what did the poet write:Say not the struggle naught availeth…….looking westward the land is bright; was it?

  31. Frank P at 21-41:VERITY is here-abouts;calling for muslim child-molesters to be castrated in public.[See Peter from M’s essay :”The next government scandal”;13 June.]

  33. Regarding gay marriage; IMHO there is no such thing as gay marriage, and there never can be. A true marriage is performed between a man and a woman. When two persons of the same sex take part in a religious ceremony, that is NOT a marriage. It is a sham, a mockery of the real thing, and an insult to God, whatever the religious persuasion of the individuals involved. It is most definitely not marriage. To call it such is an oxymoron.

  34. Alexandr and David Ossit

    Thanks for your posts on Swaledale at the foot of last week’s Wall. One of these days I hope to visit and check out the cafe and the pub – may be next summer…

  35. The NSA scandal: I hope CHWs will forgive my quoting this article from the Washington Times in full which has implications for our own constitutional arrangements:

    “NAPOLITANO: Liberty in a shambles
    Ancient colonial intrusions pale in comparison to infringement today

    When British soldiers were roaming the American countryside in the 1760s with lawful search warrants with which they had authorized themselves to enter the private homes of Colonists in order to search for government-issued stamps, Thomas Paine wrote, “These are the times that try men’s souls.” The soul-searching became a revolution in thinking about the relationship of government to individuals. That thinking led to casting off a king and writing a Constitution.

    What offended the Colonists when the soldiers came legally knocking was the violation of their natural right to privacy, their right to be left alone. We all have the need and right to be left alone. We all know that we function more fully as human beings when no authority figure monitors us or compels us to ask for a permission slip. This right comes from within us, not from the government.

    Thomas Jefferson made the case for natural rights in the Declaration of Independence (“endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights”). The Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution to reduce to writing the guarantees of personal liberty. (“Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of religion speech press assembly .” “No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law .” “The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”)

    Of course, to prevent the recurrence of soldier-written search warrants and the government dragnets and fishing expeditions they wrought, the Constitution mandates that only judges may issue search warrants, and they may do so only on the basis of probable cause of crime, and the warrants must “particularly describ[e] the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

    Last week, we discovered that the government has persuaded judges to issue search warrants not on the constitutionally mandated basis, but because it would be easier for federal agents to catch terrorists if they had records of our phone calls and our emails and texts. How did that happen?

    In response to the practice of President Nixon of dispatching FBI and CIA agents to wiretap his adversaries under the guise of looking for foreign subversives, Congress enacted the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) in 1978. It prohibited all domestic surveillance in the United States, except if authorized by a judge based on probable cause of crime, or if authorized by a judge of the newly created and super-secret FISA court. That court was empowered to issue warrants based not on probable cause of crime, but on probable cause of the target being an agent of a foreign power.

    The slippery slope began.

    Soon the feds made thousands of applications for search warrants to this secret court every year, and 99 percent of them were granted. The court is so secret that the judges who sit on it are not permitted to keep records of their decisions. Notwithstanding the ease with which the feds got what they wanted from the FISA court, Congress lowered the standard again from probable cause of being an agent of a foreign power to probable cause of being a foreign person.

    After Sept. 11, 2001, Congress enacted the USA Patriot Act. This permitted federal agents to write their own search warrants, as if to mimic the British soldiers in the 1760s. It was amended to permit federal agents to go to the FISA court and get a search warrant for the electronic records of any American who might communicate with a foreign person.

    In 30 years, from 1979 to 2009, the legal standard for searching and seizing private communications — the bar that the Constitution requires the government to meet — was lowered by Congress from probable cause of crime to probable cause of being an agent of a foreign power to probable cause of being a foreign person to probable cause of communicating with a foreign person. Congress made all these changes, notwithstanding the oath that each member of Congress took to uphold the Constitution. It is obvious that the current standard, probable cause of communicating with a foreign person, bears no rational or lawful resemblance to the constitutionally mandated standard: probable cause of crime.

    Now we know that the feds have seized the telephone records of more than 100 million Americans and the email and texting records of nearly everyone in the United States for a few years. They have obtained this under the laws that permit them to do so. These laws — just like the ones that let British soldiers write their own search warrants — were enacted validly, but they are profoundly unconstitutional. They are unconstitutional because they purport to change the clear and direct language in the Constitution, and Congress is not authorized to make those changes.

    These laws undermine the reasons the Constitution was written, one of which was to guarantee the freedom to exercise one’s natural rights. These laws directly contradict the core American value that our rights come from our humanity and may not be legislated away — not by a vote of Congress, not by the consensus of our neighbors, not even by agreement of all Americans but one.

    The government says we should trust it. Who in his right mind would do so after this? President Obama says the feds have your phone records but are not listening to your calls and will not read your emails. Who would believe him? James R. Clapper, the director of national intelligence, testified that the feds were not gathering vast data on Americans. Who would trust him? The NSA says Congress knew about all this, but its members were prohibited from telling the American people. What kind of a democracy is that?

    The modern-day British soldiers — our federal agents — are not going from house to house; they are going from phone to phone and from computer to computer, enabling them to penetrate every aspect of our lives. If anything violates the lessons of our history, the essence of our values and the letter of the Constitution, it is this.

    Andrew P. Napolitano, a former judge of the Superior Court of New Jersey, is the author of seven books on the U.S. Constitution, including his latest, “Theodore and Woodrow: How Two American Presidents Destroyed Constitutional Freedom” (Thomas Nelson, 2012).”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/13/liberty-in-a-shambles/#ixzz2WWGa9Ejj
    Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

  38. Radford NG
    June 17th, 2013 – 22:31

    Abused?
    You seem coy to explain.
    Did they tell you to F. off?

    The rest I cannot understand.

  41. I’ve corresponded with some of the members of the International Development Committee and one of them has forwarded my suggestions for action against FGM to the clerk of the Committee asking that they be discussed at a meeting of the Committee. I was glad and grateful to have some responses at all, and am pleased that they might discuss these items at a future meeting.

    My suggestions were..

    i. The routine (perhaps annually in school) medical examination of all girls within the at risk age and ethnicity backgrounds.

    ii. The routine medical examination of all immigrating of all girls within the at risk age and ethnicity backgrounds to provide a record of initial FGM status.

    iii. Very severe prosecution of those performing FGM, including prison sentencing and deportation where appropriate.

    iv. Removal of children from parents allowing FGM to be performed.

  42. I’ve been corresponding with Charles Moore this morning, and he has kindly replied to four of my emails about his criticism of the EDL.

    He agrees that the EDL should not be demonised but doesn’t like them because they are anti-Muslim. He thinks it dangerous and foolish to demonise a great religion but agrees that aspects and interpretations of it should be crticised. He thinks that the EDL attitude towards Muslims is the same as Respect’s attitude towards Jews – a bit suspect.

    I asked if it were reasonable to criticise Islam while being open towards Muslims. He felt that was a fair distinction but believed it was not possible to criticise Islam as it was too varied, but that we should criticise Islamism. (He didn’t suggest how many followers of Islam were Islamists?)

    His main point was that we should not generalise about Islam, it is too much like Protestantism with many hundreds of sects.

    I was grateful that he took time to correspond.

  43. I hunted out, because I did not know it, the poem that Radford quoted. It would be good to put together a volume of patriotic and soul-strengthening poetry..

    Arthur Hugh Clough. 1819–1861

    SAY not the struggle naught availeth,
    The labour and the wounds are vain,
    The enemy faints not, nor faileth,
    And as things have been they remain.

    If hopes were dupes, fears may be liars;
    It may be, in yon smoke conceal’d,
    Your comrades chase e’en now the fliers,
    And, but for you, possess the field.

    For while the tired waves, vainly breaking,
    Seem here no painful inch to gain,
    Far back, through creeks and inlets making,
    Comes silent, flooding in, the main.

    And not by eastern windows only,
    When daylight comes, comes in the light;
    In front the sun climbs slow, how slowly!
    But westward, look, the land is bright!

  44. Peter from Maidstone@June 18th, 2013 – 10:50

    the disgrace is that there have been no prosecutions under the current law.

  45. Alexsandr, there have been 148 reported cases and no prosecutions. 20,000 girls in the UK are at risk. It will happen today in the UK. Imagine if Stuart Hall were involved. He would face demands that he be locked up in prison for life. But today a girl will be held down in a kitchen in London and will be mutilated. And nothing will happen.

  46. The Bullingdon Club Song?

    I was trying to find an article on Clough that I was recently reading but haven’t yet succeeded. In the meantime, I was reminded of this by him, which could be the Bullingdon Club Song –

    Dipsychus

    By Arthur Hugh Clough

    (English poet and scholar, friend of Tennyson and Matthew Arnold, 1819–1861)

    AS I sat at the café, I said to myself,
    They may talk as they please about what they call pelf,
    They may sneer as they like about eating and drinking,
    But help it I cannot, I cannot help thinking,
    How pleasant it is to have money, heigh ho! 5
    How pleasant it is to have money.

    I sit at my table en grand seigneur,
    And when I have done, throw a crust to the poor;
    Not only the pleasure, one’s self, of good living,
    But also the pleasure of now and then giving. 10
    So pleasant it is to have money, heigh ho!
    So pleasant it is to have money.…

    I drive through the streets, and I care not a d—n;
    The people they stare, and they ask who I am;
    And if I should chance to run over a cad, 15
    I can pay for the damage if ever so bad.
    So pleasant it is to have money, heigh ho!
    So pleasant it is to have money.

    We stroll to our box and look down on the pit,
    And if it weren’t low should be tempted to spit; 20
    We loll and we talk until people look up,
    And when it’s half over we go out to sup.
    So pleasant it is to have money, heigh ho!
    So pleasant it is to have money.

    The best of the tables and best of the fare— 25
    And as for the others, the devil may care;
    It isn’t our fault if they dare not afford
    To sup like a prince and be drunk as a lord.
    So pleasant it is to have money, heigh ho!
    So pleasant it is to have money.

  48. Peter from Maidstone
    I like your idea of a collection of patriotic poetry, although I imagine it would be boycotted, or even banned, by this Quisling government. I first came aware of Clough whilst doing a seminar on Matthew Arnold, and was very impressed with his work. It is unfortunare that Clough, together with Kipling has been relegated to the shadows. Tommy Atkins would sign without surprise at the latest decision to boot out 4,500 British military personnel.

  49. ‘What is it about Norfolk? Another parish council has done something stupid.’

    Peter from Maidstone
    June 18th, 2013 – 10:46

    Not stupid. Malign.

    In America elementary sc. children can be banned from running.
    It’s about the exercise of power and the degenerate state saying, ‘We have total power. Your life is not your own. Your children are not your own.

    Health & Safety is an conduit for that that is worst in people to be nurtured and grow. To be given power over the innocent. This is why every person you have ever known to breathlessly take H&S seriously has NEVER ever actually cared about health or safety at all.
    The old Soviet Union The People’s Rep. (apparently) were places like this. Places where The Little People had been given authority to say ‘No’ to almost any human activity.
    It’s similar to the Police seeking revenue from motorists while foreign killers roam free.
    it’s a symptom of spiritual desease.
    THEY LOVE IT when a community loses something….anything; because this demonstrates that that community to prepared to be ‘raped’ and will offer no resistance. All this is perceived by those such as Christopher Booker who you will know well; he wrote a lot about his local cricket club being closed down.

    Here’s my problem.
    They deserve it.
    I recall the doleful cow eyes of the Secretary (I think) of his club looking pleadingly into the camera as though to say,’I’m weak and useless, please will you do something to help me as my life only gains meaning via the approval of my betters. Pleeeeeeese.’
    Can you imagine a ‘travellers’ activity, any activity, deciding to extinguish itself because someone from The Local Authority sent a couple of letters?
    They wouldn’t GIVE those nobodies power over them be acceding to their requests.

    I usually feel like shaking the dust from my boots whenever I meet these weak and pathetic people. They feel like vampires sucking my vitality and confidence….I’m not joking. Nothing worse than a whinning loser filled with self pity bending over for another instalment. These are the people who vote Lab/Con all their lives. Can’t believe I typed so much about this but……..

    Look at those cheese rollers in the MSM the other day.
    Someone tried to close them down and they showed two fingers. Two cheesy fingers. Two cheesy and slightly bruised cheesy fingers.

    It’s not madness P. from M.
    It’s the essence of This Struggle so choose….

    Are you a form filling ‘complier’ or a crazy cheese rolling brook busting leg breaking nutcase!

    I know what side I’m on.

    AWK1?
    Cheese or death?

  50. Just got off the number 205 bus. Not a voluntary disembarkation you understand, we were turfed off, the reason? someone had been ill. In the parlance of the vulgar, some drunken East European had puked his guts up. Now a bit of puke in the back of the bus is nothing to get worked up about, Christ I’ve seen worse in the Iranian revolution, but this is tender caring Britain, so the official could not resist the words elf’n safety to round things off. It’s enough to make you throw up.

  51. stephen maybery@June 18th, 2013 – 13:16

    Should have given the puker a mop and bucket and tell him to clear it up….

  52. Alexsandr@June 18th, 2013 – 13:21

    mebbe the bus companies should bring in a standard charge for pukers of £50

  53. PfM – 11.01

    It was decent of Charles Moore to reply to you but his reply shows him not to be facing reality head-on.

    During the N. Irish Troubles, and even today, whether or not the majority of N. Irish Roman Catholics supported IRA terrorism didn’t matter one whit. Their leaders at best equivocated in their responses to that terrorism, claimed they were speaking for the whole nationalist community, the Roman Catholic Church sanctioned murderers killed “in action” by allowing Catholic Churches to sanction IRA funerals, and how could any decent Catholic speak out when the price for doing so would be almost certain death?

    So it is today in Britain with regard to Muslims. Their mosques host men who incite murder and mayhem, support those who go abroad to learn how best to perform it, and the silence of the so-called moderate majority is taken by Islamofascists, and by the rest of us, as at best acquiescence. And as the Catholics did in N. Ireland, so the Muslims here use territorial acquisition and a high breeding rate (5 times greater than white British) to continuously gain ground, not to mention the first law of sharia being now part of British Law, thou shalt not criticise Islam.

    In the past ten years London’s white British population has reduced from being 90% to 45%. At what point will Mr Moore get the point? Who is actually doing something measurable to defend Englishmen’s instinctive and ancient desire for individual freedom and the upholding of Enlightenment values? “Moderate” Muslims? Charles Moore? Or Tommy Robinson and his active supporters, who possibly have never heard of John Locke but will be the ones in the Last Ditch defending his precepts?

  54. John Richardson – 12:50 ‘‘What is it about Norfolk?’

    I will restrict my answer to the cricket club, if only for brevity!

    Could they not have sought how much the insurance was for the aforementioned risk?

    There is a well known insurance company based in Norwich, Norfolk, even though it has changed its name to reflect the meaningless of our times.

  55. Oh, and Peter, did Mr Moore have any comment on the fact that comments were closed on his column after only privileged 128 people were able contribute?

  56. I might have a think about what we can do to produce a book of patriotic poetry for our times. I would rely on the wisdom of all gathered here. I know what poetry I like but I don’t know what I should like.

  57. IRISHBOY, I did not ask Mr. Moore that question. And I will husband carefully the opportunities to ask him further questions so that he does not ignore me through feeling harrassed. I would imagine, to be fair to Mr. Moore, that there is a legal department which shuts down comments. It seems that hardly any threads at the DT allow comments now.

  58. PfM – 14.13

    Of course Peter, it’s only the big questions that matter and your dialogue with one of the very few journalists of experience and authority who even tackle this subject is valuable, though Mr Moore can’t be oblivious to the sub-text of Comments are Closed.

  59. Robert C – 9:48 – Yes, I find it irritating, too. Especially as there is no such thing as “homosexual marriage”.

  60. Peter, did Charles Moore make any comment about why the Muslim 6 who were going to bomb the EDL march story was pulled after the first editions of the papers.
    Anyone who expected to read the result of the court case is left in limbo.
    Mr Moore was the only person who even referred to it in the Sunday times, mail, or telegraph .
    I had not one answer from a batch of e mails I sent to papers and individuals suggesting there was a D notice in operation.
    Suspiciously not even a denial.

  61. IRISHBOY. Without knowing the timeline I suspect the 128 comments went in before the D notice went on.

  62. Robert C 23:10 – “Isn’t that an Americanism: I think he means an arse!”

    No, in English, as opposed to American, “ass” means a donkey. He is saying the law is a silly donkey, not someone’s arse.

  63. It’s an ancient word. Well they both are. Ass has always meant donkey. And Ars has meant tail or rump. When we use that word we are reminding ourselves of our English origins.

  65. Care home wardens stopped OAP’s weekly fish and chips run over food poisening fears

    Date of article: 27-May-09

    Article By: Daily Mail

    ‘A Lakenfields care home has been accused of being too bureaucratic after banning its residents from undertaking a weekly fish and chip shop run, on the grounds that the three-minute journey might cause the product to develop food poisening.’

    AWK1.

    Oh yeah!

    Yougotit.

    ‘WE control every part of your life and we want to show it so we will use Health & S. as the cover story to dominate and eventually destroy. You let us and that inspires our predatory instincts = therefore, it’s actually YOUR fault. The weak were born to be crushed.’

  66. Anne Wotana Kaye 1@June 18th, 2013 – 15:26

    My mums care home is excellent. the carers really care. 24/7 nurse on duty (2 in the day) We should not think all care homes and home care is poor.
    but we should root out the bad ones.

  67. John Richardson
    June 18th, 2013 – 12:50
    Glad to know your mother is in a good place. Only wish that this was the norm.

  68. Anne Wotana Kaye 1@June 18th, 2013 – 15:57

    Its wasnt luck. We checked the QCC reports, visited each one on our shortlist twice, once at mealtime when the carers are most stressed. We spoke to the residents. and while being showed round didnt allow us to be herded where they wanted us to go. but you have to respect you can’t go into residents rooms because they are private. And now we keep a close check on stuff, and take what Mum says seriously even though she gets the wrong end of the stick and listens to conversations, mis-hears and then makes up the rest. but we follow up.

  69. Just remember Jeremy Hunt…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255054/60-000-patients-death-pathway-told-minister-says-controversial-end-life-plan-fantastic.html

    The aim will be to reduce the lifespan of people through euthanasia. The Minister for Health has said..

    I think it’s ridiculous and appalling that people have to go abroad to end their life instead of being able to end their life at home.

    We can soon expect a parcel to drop through our doors when we reach retirement age inviting us to stop being a burden on the young. If we can think of it you can be sure the Bilderberg Group has as well.

  70. The Japanese Finance Minister has said..

    Taro Aso, the finance minister, said on Monday that the elderly should be allowed to “hurry up and die” to relieve pressure on the state to pay for their medical care.

    So we should not imagine this is not something on the agenda of democratic Governments. Does Taro Aso attend the Bilderberg meetings? Is he part of the G8?

  71. Alexsandr
    June 18th, 2013 –
    Sorry I addressed you as Joh R. Yes, very wise checking out the home carefully. I cannot understand people who take such life and death issues so casually, accepting all they ‘re told and shown. Good that your checks continue, since things can change over time – new management, different staff, a less stringent level of care. Ny late, beloved aunt was 98 when she died, having spent the last nine years at a really excellent home. She was adorable, but a martinet and a dragon (an ex-World War II ambuance driver), she kept all the staff on their toes, yet when she died, there wasn’t a dry eye at the funeral. All the staff, carers, cooks, domestics and management truly were sad to see her go.

  72. Peter,

    the government wants the old dead because they cost, because killing the old helps with the anti-white genocide (who’s breeding like rats?) and because the old are a dangerous voting bloc.

    The old have often had the scales fall from their eyes after a lifetime of waiting for tomorrow and thinking people like Dave and Boris will one day deliver them.

    They just talk bien pensant talk to get in office goes the thinking of the young.

    The old also don’t mind speaking their mind.

    That is something many younger people are afraid to do because of their career.

    At the age of 65, fear of the thought police goes and the anger and resentment of a lifetime become uncensored – often to the delight of the younger generation cowed by polictal correctness.

    You bet the state wants euthanasia.

  73. elena@June 18th, 2013 – 18:55

    Thats why Dave must be very afraid. The wrinklies will get out to vote. And wont vote for him…

  74. Has anyone seen this?

    It is a wonderful video.

    Enjoy it the first time for the fireworks.

    But then rewind and look at the crucial moment when Laurie Penny decides the intellectual argument David Starkey is outlining is so powerful she has to play the man and not the ball.

    She knows that he is about to demolish the very DNA of the argument for mass immigration.

    The canard that Britain cannot have a homeland for its indigenes because it is a nation of immigrants is no more true of the UK than it is for the rest of Europe.

    Come back to that point in the video, though, when you’ve had some fun.

    Pour youself a cup of tea and enjoy the next five minutes of squirming by Ms Laurie Penny.

    They are priceless.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj9dA6E3fJw

  75. Peter from Maidstone, June 18th, 2013 – 16:11

    “We can soon expect a parcel to drop through our doors when we reach retirement age inviting us to stop being a burden on the young. If we can think of it you can be sure the Bilderberg Group has as well.”

    I had an uneasy feeling that this was the way things were drifting. A projected world population of 9+ billion is hard to imagine being sustainable. It soon won’t be just open season on badgers!

    I think that I touched upon this last week.

    EC, June 15th, 2013 – 12:25
    Are the politics of left vs right being replaced by young vs old?

    [… ] THEN on the the news last night I accidentally (I usually turn it off!) witnessed an item from a glib young “news” “reporter” about how pensioners were living up at the expense of the younger generation. i.e. Older people are responsible for the plight of the younger generation etc. and “something must be done” to divert money from their over generous pensions and benefits.
    Any thoughts?

  76. Peter,

    the government wants the old dead because they cost, because killing the old helps with the anti-white genocide (who’s breeding like rats?) and because the old are a dangerous voting bloc.
    __________

    Sorry to but in but ‘no’.

    …the government wants the old dead because they cost, because killing the old helps with the anti-white genocide………

    How Naive.

    …………..(who’s breeding like rats?)………

    Not the Africans. Africa’s population is 50% down since 1945 by some measures.

    The vaccines are designed to kill you all. Just ask Bill Gates who develops and provides them. He’s been telling anyone who will listen for years that ‘Vaccines are for population control’ . Look it up.
    It is not difficult to understand.
    He is very clear.
    I do not see have you can be confused.

    ……and because the old are a dangerous voting bloc…..

    Dangerous to whom?
    Without ‘the old’ and their ‘dangerous voting’ we wouldn’t have the walking pus that is the Party Political System.
    Y’know how ‘the young’, don’t vote?
    Well, they don’t vote for what the previous generation put in front of them. You can look at that two ways…… are they really to lazy to walk down the road every four or five years?

    …….The old have often had the scales fall from their eyes after a lifetime of waiting for tomorrow………..

    A lifetime is too long.
    That is nobody elses fault but your own.

    …….and thinking people like Dave and Boris will one day deliver them……

    Again, to be honest that calibre of stupidity is no-one else’s fault. Claiming to be too old or ‘loyal’ to see the bleeding obvious is simply a lazy excuse for stupidity.

    ….They just talk bien pensant talk to get in office goes the thinking of the young…….

    None I’ve every spoken to.

    …..The old also don’t mind speaking their mind……

    Well, for googness sake let’s hope these Boris & Dave supporters don’t speak what passes for their minds.

    Can you imagine listening to someone explain how they were right to vote for Cast Iron and his homosexual marriage pledge ‘because that was the Conservative thing to do’.
    No thanks.

    …….That is something many younger people are afraid to do because of their career…

    Well who left it like that?
    You should talk to young people. You will find they know they live in occupied territory and adapt accordingly.

    ………At the age of 65, fear of the thought police goes and the anger and resentment of a lifetime become uncensored………

    Yeah, if only.
    This is just an angry and confused fantasy.
    The English have not been like this for 50years+
    There are no aged ‘fight backs’ against PC.
    If only.
    Why pretend that there are?

    ……– often to the delight of the younger generation cowed by polictal correctness.

    You bet the state wants euthanasia…….

    No again.
    The degenerate Welfare State want population reduction of EVERYBODY. There is no ‘young’ or ‘old’ in relation to this. The Sodium Flouride is causing cancer for all it’s victims. My understanding is that the most aggressive and fast acting cancers are MORE LIKELY to kill the young than the old.
    The young are not privileged by multi culturalism any more than anyone else. Maybe the Somali young?
    I don’t really care. My experience is that older generations abandoned their children to the State so they could ‘have fun’ and ‘be free’.
    My generation were wounded by the phenomena of broken homes across all classes. By that time the State was in the hands of dangerous extremists who hated ciovilisation; however they were protected by a phalanx of elderly voters who would vote Lab/Lib/Con even if the Devil himself was on the ticket.
    So that’s it.
    The ‘old’ are not worth ‘saving’ if they cannot see their own complicity and ‘the young’ cannot save themselves without the guidance of older (better educated) people.
    Together, I give us a 3-5% chance.

    Thank God we are not alone then.

  77. Another David Starkey video, misleadingly named ‘David Starkey on British Politics’, which makes it sound like some broad commentary, but it is in fact an intellectual argument that proposes a solution.

    I endorse the broad sweep of what David Starkey says here, but I have a few criticisms that do not detract from the overarching solution Starkey sets out.

    My main criticism is that it is a speech given at Conservative Party conference fringe meeting to the Bruges Group.

    I cannot support the Conservative Party ever again.

    I am not going through that nonsense whether it’s Dave, Johnson, Gove or May.

    It’s busted. We’re desperate.

    The time for chitter chatter is over.

    All that Starkey outlines here, in essence, is the return of the nation state and how this can bind us.

    He sets out beautifully how patriotism can bind the top and the bottom.

    Sport cannot do it (although the mainstream pretends it does). Neither can royalty (especially not when the heir to the throne learns arabic so that he can read The Koran in its original form).

    What about us?

    The thing they’ve tried to eradicate.

    Two small points I particularly liked. When he says: ‘Why do the rich in England behave as monstrously as they do? Because they have no sense of common purpose. Because the City of London has become a city state, complete with a fool-jester despot in Boris Johnson.’

    The common purpose conferred by nationalism is the opposite of that of Julia Middleton’s organisation, who has worked tirelessly to shred the old common purpose and replace it and thus replace us.

    I also loved this: ‘Britain as a unitary state is dead.’

    Hear, hear!

    I would love to see the total break-up of Britain, with each nation state at the heart of each country and Starkey’s idea of a British confederation.

    I disagree about not touching ‘settled communities’.

    We have gone too far and do need some repatriations. I would go back to 1948 when the real madness started and impose some sort of retrospective points system.

    Criminal records would lose points and so on, with a discretionary panel set up to deal with borderline cases.

    If people genuinely have contributed and not come here to make trouble that is different.

    But a retrospective points system would help to start clearing the place as some people would leave of their own accord.

    I cannot think of anything else I substanitally disagree with.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj3Mtq6BlA8

  78. Good grief, John!

    I’m sorry not to be able to agree with you, but I do think the old get singled out.

    Something like Equitable Life illustrates that.

    There is a very urgent need on the part of the government to see those people who invested die and to keep kicking the issue into the long grass until that is what has happened.

    The taxpayer money that might have gone to them as compensation and into their children’s inheritance pot (already shrunk) is probably going to end up being used to help things like Muslim mothers on state benefits in places like Bradford breed broods by the dozen.

    Have you got their population growth to hand?

  79. I am 3% French. The rest of me is English for as far back as I can go, the mid-17th century at the moment. I am sure that I am English and native British for as far back as the Roman conquest. Not that I haven’t looked for anything exotic. But it’s not there. One French tailor in the mid 10th century. That’s it.

    I’m not an immigrant. Neither the son nor the grand-son of an immigrant. I am an Englishman. And my family lie buried around me for the last 1000 years at least.

  80. In essence the argument the world over goes: indigenes are entitled to a home of their own.

    Yes, say the Useful Idiots.

    But then they draw up their list of exceptions.

    Most infamously the UK and Israel top the list.

    Can I quote from this:

    ‘This popular argument goes: “Britain has always been a melting pot of people of different races and backgrounds.”

    ‘Such statements are so selective as to be wholly disingenuous.

    ‘Until the latter half of the last century, Britain had almost negligible levels of immigration.

    ‘Unlike America, we were never in fact “a nation of immigrants”.

    ‘And although there was often a trickle of people moving here, including Jews and Huguenots who overwhelmingly integrated into the culture, the simple scale was in a wholly separate league to the mass immigration we have seen in recent years.

    ‘Roughly 50,000 Huguenots came to Britain after 1681.

    ‘This was equal to a couple of months of immigration by the turn of the 21st century.

    ‘The entire Ugandan Asian immigration into Britain in the early 1970s (caused by Idi Amin’s expulsion of Asians from Uganda) numbered around 30,000.

    ‘This constituted six weeks’ worth of immigration by the late 1990s.’

    http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/4868/full

    It’s worth remembering all that to demolish people in arguments when they say: ‘Ah, the UK is uniquely a nation of immigrants.’

    Once facts like that are rubbed in the nose of people such as Andrew Neather, they usually then abandon that argument and fall back on this: ‘Yes, well, the UK deserves this mass immigration because of its colonial history.’

    To which the answer is ‘How factually inaccurate to blame British people for something invented by Africans.

    ‘And worse still, how very racist to stereotype every British person as being responsible for slavery.’

    Who else is forced to put up with such collective guilt?

    It’s not as if British indigenes are like Muslims and have read a set of documents like The Koran and said ‘I endorse that, where do I go to worship?’

    No. They’re just told: ‘British? You’re responsible for slavery. Who cares you weren’t born then? Who cares only a few rich British toffs were actually involved? Who cares you’ve never shown a scintilla of belief in an ideology of slavery? Muslims believe in words in The Koran, but we don’t need to hold them responsible for that. But you? You’ve never signed up to any belief in slavery – but we’ll hold you responsible anyway.’

    Why the hell are people born hundreds of years after slavery held responsible for it when it’s very likely their ancestors had nothing to do with it?

  82. Peter from Maidstone
    June 18th, 2013 – 20:52The population of Africa was 230 million in 1950 and was 810 million in 2000. It is likely to be 2.2 billion in 2050. That’s a pretty definite growth.’

    Depends upon who is counting, ‘why?’ and ‘how?’.

    Letters to Nature
    Nature 412, 543-545 (2 August 2001) | doi:10.1038/35087589; Received 30 April 2001; Accepted 22 May 2001

    The end of world population growth
    Wolfgang Lutz1, Warren Sanderson1,2 & Sergei Scherbov3

    1.International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis, Schlossplatz 1, A-2361 Laxenburg, Austria
    2.Departments of Economics and History, State University of New York at Stony Brook, New York 11794-4384, USA
    3.University of Groningen, PO Box 800, NL-9700 AV Groningen, The Netherlands
    Correspondence to: Wolfgang Lutz1 Correspondence and requests for materials should be addressed to W.L. (e-mail: Email: lutz@iiasa.ac.at).

    Top of page’
    There has been enormous concern about the consequences of human population growth for the environment and for social and economic development. But this growth is likely to come to an end in the foreseeable future. Improving on earlier methods of probabilistic forecasting1, here we show that there is around an 85 per cent chance that the world’s population will stop growing before the end of the century. There is a 60 per cent probability that the world’s population will not exceed 10 billion people before 2100, and around a 15 per cent probability that the world’s population at the end of the century will be lower than it is today. For different regions, the date and size of the peak population will vary considerably.’

    Vaccines= ‘Aids’

  83. Here’s an interestng set of events.

    There’s a Bilderberg meeting last week. Ken Clarke attends. A week later Ken says the UK is doomed if it leaves the European Union.

    And Clarke is called to Parliament where he says it’s the first time he can ever remember being asked about something that’s not government business. He forgets the taxpayer paid for the security t Watford and that he is on the steering committe of the Bilderberg, which might therefore conflict with his role in government if he would but be more honest about what he and his Bilderberg chums are up to.

    It’s quite handy forgetting things like that at the despatch box as it means you can keep your answers short and bat away your questioner with written answers.

    ‘Bilderberg? What? Who? Me? Don’t leave the European Union or the sky will fall on your head.’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rQIfVCtet8

  84. Not really John. I don’t know any sane person who is not well aware that the population of Africa is mushrooming. I have been to several African countries and the growth rate is very manifest.

  85. Great news from Brazil, where the people are tearing the place apart over all the taxpayer money given to football.

    It is ironic – given the nation’s hysterical love of soccer – that they have been the first to work out how they are being conned, but inspiring too.

    If the Brazilians can realise they are being conned with the ‘bread and circuses’ trick of football/sport, there is hope for everyone.

    Olympics, World Cup and so on are all a con.

    The only people who benefit are the construction industry and marketers who push their government puppets into securing such events and then screw the taxpaying public of the host nation.

    Hasn’t Boris Johnson (Tory version of Keith Vaz) just handed over an Olympic stadium for tuppence to some wretched football club.

    I suppose it was peanuts compared to the Olympic rip-off itself.

    Anyone still ‘feelgood’ from that?

  86. Blackmail is the everyday currency of Whitehall and why we have so many paedophile MPs. It’s why Cyril Smith was so useful (he propped up a coalition).

    Such people will do what you want.

    But it rarely becomes obvious until people are dead.

    But what about all the other forms of blackmail? It is said that one person who has tried to expose Parliament’s paedophile members has himself been threatened with exposure of marital infidelity.

    This goes on all the time but rarely does it surface in the media.

    This is a much less serious question of blackmail. But it is one worth asking.

    ‘Now ex-foreign secretary Lord (David) Owen publicly accuses Tony Blair and David Cameron, aided by slimy Cabinet Secretary Sir Jeremy Heywood, of entering into a shoddy pact to suppress the vital letters lest they prove “beyond doubt” that Blair had made up his mind to invade Iraq up to a year before March 2003.

    ‘The bride-price? That Blair will be neutral or even pro-Cameron at the next election.’

    http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/frederick-forsyth/405755/Cover-up-protects-a-lying-guilty-man

    Let’s leave blackmail for a moment and consider polls.

    For those who know how polls work, the key is in how you ask the questions.

    You know the result you want and so you phrase the questions carefully to give you the right headlines.

    Today we read from the UK’s most famous pollster:

    ‘If the Tories ditch David Cameron they will lose in 2015. This graph shows why.

    ‘The Conservative rank-and-file know that Cameron dalliances with gay marriage, Europe and the Liberal Democrats will cost them the next election. The polling shows they are hopelessly wrong, says YouGov president Peter Kellner.’

    So a man married to Baroness Ashton, head of Europe tells us this.

    A few weeks after Time magazine highlights how pro-Europe Cameron is by putting him on its front cover, no less, with the headline The Good European.

    So much co-ordination goes on away from our eyes.

    The dots are there if we will but join them.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/10126021/If-the-Tories-ditch-David-Cameron-they-will-lose-in-2015.-This-graph-shows-why..html

  87. Pierre de Maidstone,

    “One French tailor in the mid 10th century. That’s it.”

    Oh, they all say that… 🙂

  90. PfM 18th, – 20:52

    “The population of Africa was 230 million in 1950 and was 810 million in 2000. It is likely to be 2.2 billion in 2050. That’s a pretty definite growth.”

    They must be very clever people to have improved medicine, public health, hygiene and farming to the extent that allowed such a population explosion. Oh. and mineral exploitation to pay for it.

    Wait…wasn’t that us?

  91. PfM 3% French? Some of us are truly cosmopolitan. I am the product of a mixed marriage. Mother = Salvation Army and Father = CoE

  92. A friend e-mailed this to us the other day. I don’t recall seeing any report of the speech before, but that’s not surprising because it’s something that the media and the British Establishment would certainly believe that people should not be allowed to read.

    “SHORT & TO THE POINT: Putin’s speech

    Putin’s Speech on Feb. 04, 2013 – this is one time our elected leaders
    should pay attention to the advice of Vladimir Putin….

    On February 4th, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed
    the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions
    with minorities in Russia:

    “In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to
    live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and
    should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, then we
    advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law. Russia
    does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant
    them special privileges, nor try to change our laws to fit their desires,
    no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We better learn from the
    suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive
    as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with
    the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this
    honourable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have
    in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are
    not Russians.”

    The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a standing ovation for five
    minutes.”

  93. Herbert Thornton

    Let’s hope someone from UKIP will nail a copy of the email to the front door of No. 10 Downing Street.

  94. Herbert Thornton @03:56

    There is one minority that Mr. Putin seems to welcome with open arms and a big hug. That of persecuted and oppressed Taxpayers. I wonder how Gerard Depardieu is getting on with the cyrillic alphabet and the intricacies of the grammar?

    “The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a standing ovation for five
    minutes.”

    That’s nothing. In the “good old days” Gorbachev et al gave speeches that lasted three hours and nothing less than 30mins applause would suffice. Whenever “Uncle Joe” gave a speech the enthusiastic applause went on forever – his agents would be looking to see who stopped first!

    On another subject:
    Mr. Obama wanted a “no fly” zone over Syria? Well thanks to Mr Putin’s timely delivery of a S-300 SAM missile system to Mr Assad, he’s now got one!

  95. Maybe unwittingly, maybe not, but The Telegraph has shown Parliament’s true values in its top two headlines:

    “Senior bankers should face jail and the loss of millions of pounds in bonuses if they are involved in a future banking collapse, according to a report by a cross-party group of MPs and peers.”

    and

    “NHS scandal: cover-up over baby deaths at maternity unit
    The NHS watchdog conducted a “cover-up” in which senior officials ordered that evidence of its failure to prevent a scandal at a hospital maternity unit be destroyed, a report will disclose.”

    No mention of incompetent politicians, like selling out gold at the bottom of the market, or the public sector’s high salaries, luxurious pension arrangements or golden goodbyes. I thought unlawful death was against some sort of law. The NHS must have some sort of exception!

    If only these incompetent people would lower their trousers and bend over, at least the solar panels would be able generate enough electricity to keep the National Grid going.

  96. It was Mr.Bumble,was it not, in Oliver Twist who -on being told The Law says he is responsible for his wife’s actions-responds:”If The Law says that ..then The Law is an ass…..an idiot……The Law is a bachelor.

  97. Malfleur: We might put another touch to BBC spin on Emma West.After 18 months and five adjournments she accepted lesser charges from the CPS which are pc gobbledy-gook but which will lead to a fine.The Judge said the case was spinning out of control.

  99. And THIS is the seething jar of worms into which our fuckwit of a ‘leader’ wants to plunge this country?

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3766/religious-war-middle-east

    meanwhile … back on planet MSM, the headlines divert our attention with new ‘regulations’ to employ against crooked bankers that are as likely to be enforced as all the other laws of fraud, embezzlement, theft, and various other provisions of the theft act which will never be enforced because the bankers can rattle he skeletons of the buried treasures of politicians various – and details of their insider-trading scams; not to mention the biggest-ever fraud on the taxpayers of the world: the climate change rip-off. Cobblers and cant in spades.

  100. What’s this on TV?…..Is it a police line up?…….Is it an advert for a Tarentino film?….What’s that woman in yellow do there?…….No it’s a G8 line up…..Why don’t they wear ties?……Do they think it connects them with the common people?……Why are there 10 people in some of the line ups?…..Because it’s not the G8 but G10……It includes Barroso(?)and van Rummpie(?);Presidents of various parts of the the EU.

  101. The armed forces are to be further reduced. Si vis pacem,para belum. But I assume that is too much for the self absorbed wankers who rule over us to take on board.

  102. Herbert Thornton @03:56:
    That Putin address echoes a fictitious one doing the rounds on the internet attributed to the Australian PM.
    It sounds more plausible in Putin’s mouth, but I fear it’s a wishful thinking hoax.

  103. Our Ken was with the bilderbergers last weekend;rather then at his old school to celebrate it’s 500th anniversary.But at least Ed Balls did not turn up either.

  104. Frank Sutton:I certainly heard somebody on Russia Today(TV) say:This is my country;it’s my society,my culture.I will decide what is acceptable in my country,my society,my culture.

  105. So the Mau Mau have got their compensation from the only country in the World stupid enough to give such claims house room. But why? we are laying ourselves open to billions in litigation, not even the FO could be that feckless, but I see the hand of the Brit loving Obama in this, after all he was born in Kenya, did he pressure the British government, as Clinton did over Northern Ireland? It is not too far fetched is it?

  106. Obama could be ignorant enough not to know his father’s tribe were a target of the Kikue’u in the Mau Mau.

  107. Anne was hankering for something Wildean regarding gay marriage. Well, I could not come up with something on par with the great Oscar, but I did make a passable attempt with Gilbert and Sullivan. The results are on http://www.romannovel.blogspot.co.uk however, I should point out that this is rude, vulgar and guaranteed to offend everyone who reads it. Caveat emptor.

  110. Radford NG@June 19th, 2013 – 16:58

    Usual whitewash. They are never wrong are they?

  111. stephen maybery
    June 19th, 2013 – 14:55
    Thanks, Stephen
    I’ll read it in the heat of the night and lookforward to being offended! 🙂

  112. “The heat of the night”

    A truly great film Anne a masterful performance by Sidney Poitier, however for me Rod Steiger was magnificent he stole the picture.

  113. EC June 19th, 2013 – 07:54

    “That’s nothing. In the “good old days” Gorbachev et al gave speeches that lasted three hours and nothing less than 30mins applause would suffice.”

    A mere novice.

    At the UN Fidel Castro spoke for four hours and 29 minutes it is listed in the Guinness Book of Records as the longest speech in front of the General Assembly, given in September 1960.

    However Fidel was well known for his interminable speeches – his longest on record in Cuba clocking up seven hours and 10 minutes at the 1986 Communist Party Congress.

  114. Herbert Thornton,

    I have long admired Putin but that speech is just wonderful.

    I know he is no saint, but he gets the basics right: our country first.

    Even on brutal terms, it is a fundamental of good governance.

    Multi-nationals who go to Russia think that they will become de facto governments as they have in the West, saying ‘Sharia? Oh well, if it makes us fat cats some money. Stick it on all the school menus. Put halal labels on the corn flakes (Kelloggs have – you need to know where to look on the box).’

    Russia?

    They wouldn’t put up with that.

    Putin is actually a leader. He is in charge.

    He’s not suborned to the European Union or the placeman of a bunch of multi-nationals. He is a leader in the real meaning of the word.

    And the other nationalistic country we constantly hear about is Japan: ‘It has indebted. It has got big national debt. It has got a falling demographic.’

    So what?

    Have you been to Japan? Unless you look for trouble with a triad gang, it’s crime free. Life goes on. The people prize their education and their culture above all.

    You go away and sob like a Western bitch of a business correspondent and leave the people of Japan alone.

    They don’t need a load of multi-culti-wretchedness and diversi-uselessness to ruin their lovely country.

    It’s fine as it is.

    And however bad their national debt is at least they know they haven’t spent it all on a load of hostile immigrants to replace them all in a genocide programme.

  115. stephen maybery 19th, – 14:55

    “I should point out that this is rude, vulgar and guaranteed to offend everyone who reads it.”

    I miss the references to Berkeley Square and the Mighty CPR (having spent a few years working for said company).

  116. Someone posted on the Telegraph the other day about Ghandi’s invocation to boycott British goods.

    The poster suggested the British copy and adapt this dictum.

    That left me wondering whether a contemporary British Ghandi-style figure would fall foul of the Race Relations Act?

    I’m sure they would fall foul of European Union laws on trade.

    Here are some Ghandi principles. No doubt good for the multi-cultists when he used them, but imagine the furore if a British person said similar.

    His policy was called Swadeshi (Use Locally Made Goods)

    “Swadeshi is that sprit in us which requires us to serve our immediate neighbours before others, and to use things produced in our neighbourhood in preference to those more remote. So doing, we cannot serve humanity to the best of our capacity, we cannot serve humanity by neglecting our neigbours.” – Young India, April 20 1919.

    “It is sinful to buy and use articles made by sweated labour. It is sinful to eat American wheat &and let my neighbour, the grain dealer starve for want of custom. Similarly, it is sinful for to wear the latest finery of Regent Street when I know that if I had but worn the things woven by the neighbouring spinners and weavers, that would have clothed me, and fed and clothed them.” – Young India, Oct. 13, 1921.

    “My definition of Swadeshi is well known. I must not serve my distant neighbour at the expense of the nearest. It is never vindictive or punitive. It is in no sense narrow, for I buy from every part of the world what is needed for my growth. I refuse to buy from anybody anything, however nice or beautiful, if it interferes with my growth or injures those whom Nature has made my first care.” – Young India, March 12, 1925.

    “Swadeshi is that spirit in us which restricts us to the use and service of our immediate surroundings to the exclusion of the more remote& I should use only things that are produced by my immediate neighbours and serve those industries by making them efficient and complete where they might be found wanting. It is suggested that such Swadeshi , if reduced to practice, will lead to the millennium.” – Speeches and Writings of Mahatma Gandhi.

    I doubt there will ever be an official policy of swadeshi in the West, but I make sure I adopt Ghandi’s swadeshi principles in my everyday life.

    Something tells me the multi-cultists wouldn’t like that cultural reciprocity.

    What a great name it would be for a political party.

    If Farage has to drop ‘UKIP’ at any stage, there’s a label ready-made: ‘Swadeshi’.

    I love it.

  117. “A trollop like Teresa May”!

    Indeed, stephen. Simon Hoggart was always writing about what he called her “**** me” shoes.

    They didn’t like that in The Guardian!

  118. elena@June 19th, 2013 – 20:06

    I try
    I use the local butcher who get locally sourced meat (even has his own farm, but has to buy in some meat)
    I use the local greengrocer rather than the supermarket.
    I use a local garage. the lads there went to school with my son.
    i buy wood from my stove from a local sawmil/woodyard.
    I use the local cafe. Or i go to the next village where they have a shop run by village volunteers, and have a small cafe. they open sunday while the one in our village doesnt!
    and we grow some stuff (taties, courgetts, tomatoes, apples), and have 3 hens that give us our eggs.
    but i live in rural Wawickshire. must be a lot harder in Wembley.

  120. elena

    “fuck me shoes”

    Germine Greer kicked that one off; she has wonderfully acute perception about that that sort of thing – catty cow that she is. Simple Simon certainly didn’t coin that one.

    Why have you switched your moniker from Selina to Elena??

  121. David Ossitt
    June 19th, 2013 – 18:53
    Great movie. Why are the modern films full of colour, sound, famous actors, great locations and everything else, nearly all, like the ‘stars’ who appear in them so quickly forgotten?

  125. h/t PatCondell

    Pat Condell (‏@patcondell)
    If you’d like to watch my new video and you can’t get past the YouTube stasi, you can see it uncensored on Dotsub.

    Pat Condell ‏(@patcondell)
    Judging by the stats on my other videos, YouTube’s censorship has cut the viewing figures on my latest by more than half. Allah be praised.

    Pat Condell ‏(@patcondell)

    You can see all my videos uncensored at:
    http://dotsub.com/view/user/patcondell

  126. EC@June 20th, 2013 – 10:44

    Remember Google owns you tube. And its Google that is being pressured into censoring content cos the government wont say its parents responsibility to monitor childrens web use.
    Maybe HMG has pressured Google to censor uncomfortable video content? Bet they will in future.

  127. I see that Gavin Barwell, MP for Croydon, is trying to spin the line that immigration is good for us. It’s a bit of a cheek that he presents his pack of lies in such a transparently obvious manner.

    I note that he recognises the difference between Gross GDP and GDP per head, but insists that it doesn’t matter if GDP per head doesn’t go up, as long as the Gross GDP does. So if 130 people are sharing a cake that is only 10% bigger than 100 people were sharing that is better, according to his maths, because the cake is BIGGER.

    And he also notes that the demographics of immigrants is younger and more economically active than our own population. Yes, that isn’t difficult to work out. So they will be looking for jobs that British people should be doing, and will be reproducing more quickly than we are. That’s all supposed to be good I suppose.

    Added to this, Cameron has now suggested that he won’t need to ask MPs to vote before sending arms to the militant, violent and cannibalistic Islamic terrorists in Syria. And the Minister for the Environment is trying to prepare us for a unilateral acceptance of GM crops, because millions will go blind if we don’t grow them.

    They really do think we are stupid, and they don’t care anymore if we are not.

  128. On 29 June it is ARMED FORCES DAY;and Tommy ROBINSON intends to make a 17 mile sponsored walk through some of the most dangerous parts of London to raise money for armed-forces charities.This to reach Woolwich at 2pm.More than that there is to be in attendance PAMELA GELLER (of*Atlas Shrugs*) and ROBERT SPENCER (of *Jihad Watch*)………But not if Hope not Hate[a part of the Tell Mama/UAF-SWP Gruppen]can prevent it They have put up a petition to Theresa May calling for both people to be refused entry to BRITAIN.

  131. With the Quisling government sacking its military personnel, without rat-faced Hammond standing up for the finest and the best, it seems appropriate that today the wonderful film “The League of Gentlemen” was shown on Film4. Somehow I think, there will be many embittered ex-Army officers, men and women.

  133. Peter from Maidstone
    Peter, why are you asking me? I have no faith in any of the political parties, and do not believe that any of them care for anything but gaining personal power and riches. I have been very unhappy consiering the way politicans wherever they are, are all alike in their greed and arrogance. As far as I am concerned, I plan to enjoy what time I have left, ignore all political promises, and put my trust in a higher authority.

  135. The latest SS/NHS cover up, after Sharon Shoesmith and Joyce Thacker,:

    ‘There were four members of staff present when the discussion about deletion occurred: Cynthia Bower, former chief executive, Anna Jefferson, media manager, Jill Finney, former deputy chief executive and Louise Dineley, head of regulatory risk and quality.

    So, recapping, there were Cynthia, Anna, Jill and Louise.

    What do they have in common?

    I have no idea: lack of Diversity, perhaps?

  136. I seem to recall that if only we could get women into positions of power the world would be a much better place.
    Women have sympathies and understanding that men just don’t have.
    Now, just run those four names past me again.

  137. “Today MEP Nigel Farage, who traded gold for 20 years on the LBMA, spoke with King World News at length about the incredible smash in the gold and silver markets and what to expect going forward. He also discussed future government theft of assets, what type of chaos to expect in Europe and around the world in the future and much more. ”

    http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/6/20_Nigel_Farage_-_The_Massive_Plunge_In_Gold_%26_Silver_Markets.html

  138. Radford NG @ 1700

    Good to see Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer showing solidatrity with Tommy Robinson on 29 June.

    With regard to the chances of Hope Not Hate obtaining a ban on the entry of the two to Britain, they might well succeed. A US radio talk show host, Michael savage, was denied entry to England in 2009 for “bad attitude”, a criterion of acceptability no doubt picked up as a useful tool of social engineering from the present Chinese communist government, and by someone with a “good attitude” called Jacqui Smith .

    http://danishova.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/michael-savage-denied-entry-to-the-uk-for-bad-attitude/

    ‘ “This is someone who has fallen into the category of fomenting hatred, of such extreme views and expressing them in such a way that it is actually likely to cause inter-community tension or even violence if that person were allowed into the country,” Ms Smith told BBC Breakfast. ‘

    Michael Savage marked the death of James Gandolfini in his show on 19th June by drawing parallels between the world of the gangster and the Obama administration –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr25vqjs-AQ

  139. EC @ 10:44

    Pat Condell – there’s another guy with bad attitude. May be we can find a way to ban all of them. It would make for a more peaceful world.

  140. Jeremy Hunt, the Health Secretary, is a busy man. Another NHS cover up to address! They are just like buses:

    “Drug companies face accusations of secretly colluding with pharmacists to overcharge the NHS millions of pounds, following an undercover investigation by The Daily Telegraph.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10133557/The-NHS-the-drug-firms-and-the-price-racket.html

    “Sales representatives for drug firms were secretly recorded by this newspaper offering to provide apparently falsified invoices allowing chemists to bill the NHS for sums far greater than they would spend.
    …
    Hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers money are feared to have been wasted in recent years due to the practice. Today’s disclosures will lead to questions over financial management in the health service, which has been largely protected from the Government’s austerity programme.”

    Falsified invoices! They have only been ‘adjusted’, to give the results required.

    If climate ‘scientists’ can do that, why can’t everyone else?

  141. “Coming to this country is a privilege. If you can’t live by the rules that we live by, the standards and the values that we live by, we should exclude you from this country and, what’s more, now we will make public those people that we have excluded. ”

    Jacqui Smith (ibid.)

  142. Peter from Maidstone @ 12.09

    The politicians should be forced to analyse specific cases, rather than make airy generalisations.

    This chap Barwell, for instance, might be asked to examine specifically the Somalis in Britain and explain their vital contribution to the English culture and economy. I note that Somalis are rumoured to have fought, on our side, at Teafalgar, and I am sure that may of them are at the cutting edge of industries for which Britain is desperately short of hands. Nonetheless, there is room for doubt and confirmation should be sought. After all the number of them in the country was still a bit vague even last year when their representatives met with David cameron:

    “”We have a best guess but there are no facts here,” says Omer Ahmed, director of the Council of Somali Organisations, sipping cappuccino at the Food Palace. “The best estimate I have seen was the figure recently mentioned in parliament; 350,000. Many say 1 million. We don’t really know about the flow from Sweden, Denmark and Holland in the last five to seven years. And the area that is never really understood is the growth in the Somali population internally. The average family size is quite large. If you go back to 2001 and look at the nationality of people looking to become British citizens, 21% were Somali.

    Ahmed, a lawyer, says numbers matter. Communities inadequately assessed miss out on social provision, and struggle in terms of education, jobs and housing. A 2009 report by the Department of Communities and Local Government found that “Somali-born migrants have the lowest employment rate of all immigrants in the UK. Levels of education within the community are also low, with 50% having no qualifications and only 3% having higher education qualifications.”

    In their isolation, Somali communities strive to tackle these issues. They need a voice. They are only just beginning to find it. ” Etc., etc., moan, moan, moan.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/feb/21/somali-community-britain-finds-voice

    Mr. Barwell could start in his constituency, where I am sure The Consortium of Somali Organisations (COSO) in Lutonwill give him an objective and positive appraisal of the situation. “Resources:Luton City Council, Bedfordshire Police, Refugee and Migrant Development Association, Transparency Research (Transparency Solutions has offices in the UK and East Africa), Beech Hill Primary School, etc.”.

    http://cosoluton.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49:the-consortium-of-somali-organisations-coso-in-luton-&catid=34:coso-news

  143. Sorry, Barwell’s constituency is Croydon not Luton. My bad; but Google “somali community in Croydon” and my post can be amended mutatis mutandis.

  146. “NOPE,NOT HOPE:shoring up Labour;ignoring Labour racism.” Nigel Farage draws attention to a pro-Ukip site examining Hope not Hate which is promoting an ant-Ukip campaign. HnH is holding `public meetings` in secrete to consult on Ukip. There are a number of easy reading essays including critiques:of the violent street thugs of the UAF;of HnH and UAF response to the presence at the Harrow 2009 UAF demo.of Adebolajo,charged with the Woolwich murder;etc. SEE http://www.nopenothope.blogspot.co.uk

  147. ABOVE also details how UAF’s Love Music,Hate Racism events are run by a man accused of raping a 17 year old girl;a complaint delt with by a SWP `shria`court.

  149. “Russ Tice, a former intelligence analyst and Bush-era NSA whistleblower, claimed Wednesday that the intelligence community has ordered surveillance on a wide range of groups and individuals, including high-ranking military officials, lawmakers and diplomats.

    He also made another stunning allegation. He says the NSA had ordered wiretaps on phones connected to then-Senate candidate Barack Obama back in 2004.”

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/20/bush-era-nsa-whistleblower-makes-most-explosive-allegations-yet-about-true-extent-of-govt-surveillance/

    “FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds and Tice agreed that such wide-ranging surveillance of officials could provide the intelligence agencies with unthinkable power to blackmail their opponents.”

    (h/t Drudge Report)

  152. Front page of today’s sun (I’m in a pub and read all those worth reading) PERVERT teacher Jeremy Forrest whispered from the dock , I love you etc etc.
    Bloody pervert.
    Lets turn the page, corr , look at those tits on page 3 .
    No contradictions there then.

  154. John birch – 21:39 ‘women’s perfection’

    Question Time, 20th June 14:35

    Dame Tessa Jowell MP: Christine LeGarde, head of the IMF, famously said
    … if it had been Lehmans Sisters instead of Lehmans Brothers,
    … perhaps we wouldn’t have seen the crisis start with that and you know
    … that if women are present women act differently, more consensually, more risk averse …

    Melanie Phillips does offer a more balanced view, mentioning the Care Quality Commission, headed by women.

    And, of course, Christine LeGarde is as pure as the driven snow and has never put a foot wrong.

  157. Robert C (14:39)

    And the EU under Angie the Merk is a paradigm of virtuous and mellifluous good order, ennit? Women on – top? Just lie back and think of England – chaps. Or what England once was, that is. Trouble is, it’s difficult to ‘fake it’ with a floppy plonker; I suppose there’s always Viagra (which is now available on the cheap, so they tell us today). Will save the NHS millions apparently.

    I’d say, “Why bother?” But then, kicking 80, I would, wouldn’t I? Rise up you girlie men if there are any still with ink in your pens. Real women will love you for it. How they must despise the pussy-whipped whelps that have proliferated during the last five or six decades.

  159. EC (15:19)

    Oh, Dear!

    Noa, where art thou? I know, I know, you’re not your brother’s keeper? To be fair to Nige, he did warn us that he was a flawed fella. This was probably one of the little s.i.t.c that he had in mind.

    But could any leading politician stand determined scrutiny, if all the facts were available? He’s done the right thing and confronted it. Soldier on Nigel, worse things have happened at sea (to mix the martial/maritime metaphors).

  160. This is not a get out clause for my comment about our lady’s even if it might look like it, our lady’s on here are made of sterner stuff.
    I have no connection with the public sector women of power who I suspect may have got there to suit quotas or genders, my link with women in jobs is civil engineering and over the last 15 years I have met some crackers.
    These are women who got to the position on merit, no pontificating around in meetings . These were women who were confident and on top of the job.
    To mix it with men in these situations you need to have confidence and management skills, and I have met many women in these jobs who have those in abundance .
    And the site guys respect them for their ability.

  161. Serious question: I am trying to move back to Britain permanently with my three cats. An American friend who has been investigating for me says they wouldn’t let me keep my animals. (I don’t know who “they” are).

    How would I go about applying for a counciil flat. Can anyone help with ideas?

  163. PPS – Does anyone know anything about the Isle of Man, or the Channel Islands?

  165. In regard to Housing Benefit and other benefits, assuming you won’t have a job straight away…

    If you are a British Citizen, Irish Citizen, a citizen of a Commonwealth country with ‘right of abode’ in the UK or have been granted indefinite leave to remain (also known as ‘settled status’) you are entitled to housing benefit if:

    you are habitually resident; or
    you have been deported from another country to the UK; or
    you have been awarded a one of the following benefits
    income-based jobseeker’s allowance
    income-related employment and support allowance
    income support
    state pension credit.

    There are less Council Houses now, but more Social Housing, such as Housing Association properties, with or without shared ownership etc etc.

  166. I see that the loser teacher who ran off with his pupil is getting 5 and 1/2 years. That seems very excessive indeed and I don’t see how he can be found guilty of abduction when he clearly did not abduct the pupil in question.

  167. Verity June 21st

    “What about an MP?”

    Hello Verity to contact your own MP you would need to know the electoral ward that you were living in, or the post code, as you haven’t been living here you have neither of these but as an ex-pat you did live here once and so you would have had an MP then. Verity if I were you I would look up the post code for your very last UK address and then Google the question who is my MP using that post code.

    As to getting a council flat I do believe that all councils are honour bound to find flats/accommodation for anyone who is homeless, the Chanel Isles / Isle of Mann might be a problem because of their limited space they can refuse residency (I think)

    There are some extremely good housing associations who do provide accommodation, you will find it much easier finding accommodation in the north.

    Pets; once upon a time all incoming pets had to be quarantined for I think 6 months however there are now pet passports that prove that they are free of rabies, try contacting the RSPCA for more details or even try the famous Battersea Dogs & Cats Home, on. http://www.battersea.org.uk/
    ‎
    I hope that this might give you food for thought.

  170. “the north is much nicer than the south anyway.”

    A matter of opinion, and I’m from Yorkshire. Couldn’t live with the smugness, amongst other things.

  171. Alison June 21st, 2013 – 17:07

    “the north is much nicer than the south anyway.”

    A matter of opinion, and I’m from Yorkshire. Couldn’t live with the smugness, amongst other things.

    Yes it is indeed a matter of opinion; however there is precious little that would drag a happy northerner south, was it only last week that Harrogate people were said to be living in the happiest town in the country and were the most contented as well.

    In my post I was trying to give my opinion to a friend, it is not a matter of opinion just plain fact that living in the north is financially easier than most of the south and there is the added advantage that vast areas are still recognisable as England.

  172. Peter from Maidstone – 16:36 ‘teacher found guilty’

    I think the situation is very complicated, even at a distance, and I hope that those involved are lucky enough to have competent people in authority and for support. There are a few around, so hopefully they will be in the right place at the right time.

    The situation would have not been quite as bad if he had not been the girl’s teacher and not married. Still bad, but not quite as bad.

    The DM reports:
    “He had mouthed ‘I love you’ to his former pupil, now 16, from the dock – she then sobbed and replied ‘I love you. I’m so sorry’ as he was found guilty of her abduction.
    …
    Her mother, who was sitting in the public galley, said in the statement: ‘I feel the (daughter) I knew is dead and it upsets me beyond words.
    ‘I feel completely useless most of the time, I feel like I have failed as a parent as I cannot understand how someone could do this to my child and I had no idea.’
    She said that her other children had suffered and they had to move home.
    …
    the 30-year-old first kissed her in a classroom when she was 14.”

    wiki: Paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in persons 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest toward prepubescent children (generally age 11 years or younger, though specific diagnosis criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13).

    The girl’s family and his wife must be more than knocked sideways, especially as it appears that the two main characters still appear at least on speaking terms and the girl is still taking some of the responsibility. The situation is so delicate that one hardly wants to intrude, yet there are so many fragmented hopes of the innocent parties dashed and raw to the elements, that indifference would be even worse and, from reading the papers, there is no natural obvious conclusion to be expected.

    Taking the spotlight off those already mentioned, I do hope that ‘lessons will be learnt’ at the school and action taken there – and at every other school! This apparently went on for some time, it was common knowledge and the was complete inaction.

    If there were well known un-bendable ground rules, national rules even, at least everyone would know where they were. Maybe there are, but have not been kept to the fore. I expect they would appear uncomfortable to those who dislike authority, but that it what it should be used for, and not for political causes.

  173. David Ossitt – 17:51 ‘Yorkshire smugness’
    Yorkshire smugness feels nice and pleasant, better than any other sort, or so Yorkshire people tell me.

    The southern sort is so expensive and any further north, it’s too bl**dy cold!

  174. Verity

    “How would I go about applying for a counciil flat. Can anyone help with ideas?”

    Try using a Roumanian passport. Everyone else wanting a flat does.

  175. verity
    you can get a house for £1

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-22247663

    Seriously, you can buy houses for very little money if you know where to look.

    Try Accdrington area, near Barrow in Furness, and the potteries.

    I’d go for Barrow. its on the edge of the lakes.

    I’d go on fish4 and be very unspecific on area.

    I think you will find councils will be under no requirement to house you unless you are in a vulnerable group, like being very frail and elderly, disabled or have young children. You may have to find private rented accommodation. But you may well need references for that.

  176. Frank P
    Chill my friend! What’s a tax avoidance scheme or two between friends? The emphasis, of course, being on avidance rather than evasion.

    Good luck to him I say.

    You’ve made me brake my self imposed sabbatical. In the best of causes of course. (Actually I’m working on one or two non political projects at the mo’. UKIP’ped out after the May elections. Still, watch this space. The local Nigel, the boy from the valleys made good as deputy squeaker, will be going anytime soon, his past rearing up to smack him back on the arse, so to speak.
    Watch this space for a hard campaign, with messers David Cameron and Edward Miliand polluting the sacred soil of the Ribble Valley with their louche morality and easy promises.
    With good luck and a fair wind we’ll throw the sods back to the Westminster cess pit with the soundest of drubbings!

    UKIP

  177. and it’s break of course-not brake. Apologies to all for such an affront of language!

  178. Verity
    June 21st, 2013 – 15:4

    What an odd choice to make. Regarding a council flat, I suggest you don a burka and you will be provided with every available goodie, including government/council housing. How can you be so cruel as to submit three moggies to the cruel life here? They need Pet Passports, not given automatically. Contact the Ministry of Agriculture wejj ahead of time. May G-d have mercy on your soul!

  179. ““the north is much nicer than the south anyway.” A matter of opinion, and I’m from Yorkshire.”

    Alison – how come the largest county in the country doesn’t have a single full time professional symphony orchestra (I’m not counting the orchestra of Opera North)?

    Even Lancashire manages three, if you count the BBC and Liverpool (historically Lancastrian).

  180. Verity
    June 21st, 2013 – 15:4
    Verity, please excuse my typing errors. I am not in a mood for posting these days, but feel I must warn you that the UK is not pet friendly when it comes to renting. Most public housing bans pets, not that it stops the chavs with their fighting dogs terrorising the neighborhood. Cats are banned too in most private rentals, and the poor creatures live an indoor life of unnatural restrictions. If you can afford to buy your own home, as a moggy keeper you and your pets will be better off.

  184. Colin
    June 21st, 2013 – 21:12

    “how come the largest county in the country doesn’t have a single full time professional symphony orchestra (I’m not counting the orchestra of Opera North”

    How about.

    Airedale Symphony Orchestra
    All Seasons Orchestra (York)
    Alwoodley Sinfonia (Leeds)
    Castleford Young Musicians
    City of Sheffield Youth Orchestra
    Cleveland Chamber Orchestra
    Cleveland Philharmonic Orchestra
    The Cobweb Orchestra, York
    The Endcliffe Orchestra (Sheffield)
    Halifax Symphony Orchestra
    Hallam Sinfonia
    Harrogate Symphony Orchestra
    The Holme Valley Orchestra
    Huddersfield Philharmonic
    Hull Philharmonic Orchestra
    Hull Philharmonic Youth Orchestra
    Leeds Symphony Orchestra
    Northern Wagner Orchestra (Leeds)
    North Leeds Music Centre Orchestra
    Orchestra of Square Chapel (Halifax)
    The Paddock Orchestra (Huddersfield)
    Richmondshire Orchestra
    Scarborough Symphony Orchestra
    Settle Orchestral Society
    Sheffield Chamber Orchestra
    Sheffield Philharmonic Orchestra
    Sheffield Symphony Orchestra
    Sheffield University Wind Orchestra
    Shepley Band
    Sinfonia of Leeds
    Slaithwaite Philharmonic Orchestra
    Teesside Symphony Orchestra
    Todmorden Orchestra
    University of York Concert Orchestra
    West Yorkshire Symphony Orchestra
    York Guildhall Orchestra
    York Symphony Orchestra
    Yorkshire Wind Orchestra

  185. Peter from Maidstone
    That teacher has certainly received an excessively large sentence. Without approving of his conduct, I find it reminiscent of the situation in “The Blue Angel” where a naive schoolmaster is driven insane by a worldly-wise siren. This theme appears time and time again in literature and film. When I was a girl, many years ago, sexual relations were banned before the age of sixteen. Many curious young ladies only refrained for fear of being found in need of care and protection and being carted off to a reproval school. It is a pity that ‘being in care’ today is fraught with moral danger, because the young girl in this case seems sorely in need of moral discipline. She is, shall we say, no better than she should be, and she comes from a home which is all too typical of this immoral society. No real family background. The mother and father split up and a new ‘partner’ introduced into the home. Quite right that the errant teacher is punished, but fair is fair, and this wretched girl should not be free to write her confessions in the newspapers once she reaches the age of 18. Justice once again has failed in our courts.

  188. And now to serious business:

    http://www.trevorloudon.com/2013/06/exclusive-part-1-former-kgb-colonel-victor-kalashnikov-on-the-dangers-of-putin-worship-russias-anti-western-alliance-with-islam-plans-to-destroy-nato-iran-syria-the-new-kgb-and-cooperation-wi/

    And if you think that’s helpful – follow through …

    http://www.trevorloudon.com/2013/06/exclusive-part-2-former-kgb-colonel-victor-kalashnikov-on-the-dangers-of-putin-worship-russias-anti-western-alliance-with-islam-israel-syria-iran-and-the-kremlins-grand-strateg/

  189. Verity – you would like Norfolk or Suffolk very much. They are unspoiled (mainly) and the people there possess a kind of innocence and sense of heritage that’s gone from other parts. You will find private rentals there are cheap and t is very easy to reach London and the main airports.

  190. Also of course Norfolk was where you saw the largest recent conversion to UKIP. Norfolk values remind me a lot of middle America.

  192. “Nelson Mandela ‘unresponsive and has not opened his eyes for days’ ”

    And the slavish followers of this over-rated old terrorist have never opened their eyes.

    He’ll spend the rest of eternity alongside those other great ‘heroes’ – Adams & McGuinness, Castro, Mao, Pol Pot, Mugabe etc etc

  194. David Ossitt: Please tell me you’re not one of those who thinks that all orchestral musicians are amateurs, with a separate day job?

  195. Frank P June 22nd, 2013 – 01:14

    “Waddabout the Black Dyke Mills Band… tiddly om pom pom!”

    Or even:-

    North Yorkshire
    Bedale Brass Band
    Bilsdale Silver Band
    The Harrogate Band
    Kirkbymoorside Town Brass Band
    Knaresborough Silver Band
    Leyburn Band
    Lockwood Brass
    Muker Silver Band
    Norton Youth Band
    Northallerton Silver Band
    Reeth Brass Band
    Ripon City Band
    Shepherd Group Brass Band, York
    South Milford Brass
    Stape Silver Band
    Summerbridge & Dacre Silver Prize Band
    Swinton and District Excelsior Band
    Tewit Youth Band
    Wetherby and District Silver Band
    York Railway Institute Band

    South Yorkshire
    Barnsley Chronicle Band
    Barnsley Metropolitan Band
    The Brass Players
    Cawthorne Brass Band
    Chapeltown Silver Prize Band
    Deepcar Brass Band
    Dodworth Colliery M.W. Brass Band
    Grimethorpe Colliery Band
    Hatfield Band
    High Green Brass Band
    Loxley Silver Band
    Maltby Miners Welfare Band
    Markham Main Colliery Band.
    Old Silkstone Band
    Oughtibridge Brass Band
    Rockingham Band
    Stannington Brass Band
    Strata Brass
    Thurcroft Welfare Band
    Thurlstone Brass Band
    Unite the Union Brass Band
    Whiston Brass Band
    Woodhouse Prize Band
    Worsbrough Brass

    West Yorkshire
    Black Dyke Band
    Brighouse & Rastrick Band
    Carlton Main Frickley Colliery Band
    The City of Bradford Brass Band
    Clifton and Lightcliffe Brass Band
    Dobcross Silver Band
    Dobcross Youth Band
    Drighlington Brass Band
    Elland Silver Band
    Emley Brass Band
    Frickley South Elmsall Brass Band
    The Friendly Band (Sowerby Bridge)
    Garforth Brass
    Grange Moor Brass Band
    The Hade Edge Band
    Hall Royd Band, Shipley
    The Haworth Band
    Hebden Bridge Band
    Hebden Bridge Junior Band
    Hepworth Band
    Holme Silver Band
    Horbury Victoria Band
    Huddersfield Brass
    Kippax Band
    Knottingley Concert Brass
    Knottingley Silver Band
    The Lindley Band, Huddersfield
    Lofthouse 2000 Brass Band
    Marsden Band
    Meltham and Meltham Mills Band
    Otley Brass Band
    Rothwell Temperance Band
    Scissett Youth Band
    Sellers International Band, Huddersfield
    Silsden Town Band
    Skelmanthorpe Band
    Slaithwaite Band
    Todmorden Community Brass
    Wakefield Metropolitan Brass Band
    West Yorkshire Police Band
    Wilsden Band
    YBS Band, Huddersfield
    Yorkshire Imperial Brass B

    East Riding
    Driffield Silver Band
    East Riding of Yorkshire Band
    East Yorkshire Motor Services Brass Band

  196. Fantastic if you like the sound of conical-bore brass instruments. If you don’t ….

  198. David Ossit

    The list of Yorkshire bands and symphony orchestras which you have provided suggests a way forward in our country’s struggle against jihad. Can we make it a requirement of citizenship, backdated twenty years, that our muslim friends attend a fixed number of hours each month at concerts given by these worthy organizations or, better still, playing in them.

    Alternatively, the English Folk Dance and Song Society has just gone online (h/t Daily Telegraph) with “the Full English” a massive digitalized archive file of music and history at http://www.efdss.org/

    The EFDSS works with partners such as Opera North in Leeds, and with The Stables in Milton Keynes where we know that there is a large population of Somali refugees eager to familiarize themselves with one of the glories of English culture – its folksongs and dances. In particular, I would urge the English Defence League to reach out to the more receptive elements in British islam using the information available at http://www.efdss.org/front/Get%20Involved/join-efdss/28

  199. NIGEL FARAGE has given an audio interview today available online at:

    http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2013/6/22_MEP_Nigel_Farage_files/Nigel%20Farage%206%3A22%3A2013.mp3

    Even as the Obama administration is being compared with mafiosi by US radio talk show hosts, Mr. Farage compares the EU government in Brussels to gangsters. In passing, he also mentions a conversation he struck up today on the London Underground with a former member of the British Communist Party…

  201. Malfleur@June 22nd, 2013 – 11:13

    The term Morris as in Morris Dancing comes from Moorish meaning arab. It is thought the practice comes from Spain. Indeed I have seen dancing in Majorca that looks very similar to British Morris dancing, men with bells on their ankles, and with sticks.
    (Remember the Moors were in Iberia from the 8th to the 15th centuries)

    So mebbe our African friends will already know it!

  203. RobertC – 14:39
    Further to my last post that mentioned the Care Quality Commission, headed by women, when their announcement was first released, with bogus names, they were all men:

    “This weekend, the greatest controversy surrounds the fact that, for 24 hours, we were not allowed to know the real identities of Mr B and co. The Care Quality Commission (CQC), which had commissioned a report into its own failings under the previous management, did not dare to give them their real names when publishing the report. Lawyers had told them that to do so would breach the Data Protection Act. A day later, public outcry forced the CQC to back down. The gentlemen with letters instead of names suddenly all changed sex. “Mr B” turned out to be Dame Joan Williams, the former chairman. “Mr E” was Cynthia Bower, the former chief executive.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/10134813/Mr-Cameron-made-a-huge-error-when-he-embraced-the-NHS.html?placement=mid2

  206. Noa @13:09

    Nigel giving his enemies a stick with which to beat him was what prompted my “Oh NIGEL” yesterday.

    Nigel’s perfectly reasonable explanation, and how the ‘trust” had been inactive since 2003, was always bound to get lost in the clamour of hypocrisy generated by the Lab/Lib/Con MSM – aka “the Westminister cabal typing pool.”

  207. I understand they have renamed the benefit given to the out of work to be Jihad Seekers Allowance (JSA)

  208. You wait for hours for an 88 bus, then 6 all turn up at once:

    My Naughty Niece returns after a period of unspeakable adversity I’d feed them in one by one, but they flow nicely, one from the others:

    The 1st Affair
    A married man was having an affair
    with his secretary.

    One day they went to her place and made love all afternoon.

    Exhausted, they fell asleep and woke up at 8 PM.

    The man hurriedly dressed and told his lover to take his shoes
    outside and rub them in the grass and dirt.

    He put on his shoes and drove home.

    ‘Where have you been?’ his wife demanded.

    ‘I can’t lie to you,’ he replied,

    ‘I’m having an affair with my secretary.
    We had sex all afternoon.’

    She looked down at his shoes and said:

    ‘You lying bastard! you’ve been playing golf!’

    The 2nd Affair

    A middle-aged couple had two beautiful daughters but always talked about having a son.

    They decided to try one last time for the son they always wanted.

    The wife got pregnant and delivered a healthy baby boy.

    The joyful father rushed to the nursery to see his new son.

    He was horrified at the ugliest child he had ever seen.

    He told his wife:

    ‘There’s no way I can be the father of this baby.
    Look at the two beautiful daughters I fathered!
    Have you been fooling around behind my back?’

    The wife smiled sweetly and replied: ‘No, not this time!’

    The 3rd Affair

    A mortician was working late one night.

    He examined the body of Mr. Schwartz, about to be cremated, and made a startling discovery.
    Schwartz had the largest private part he had ever seen!

    ‘I’m sorry Mr. Schwartz,’ the mortician commented, ‘I can’t allow you to be cremated with such an impressive private part.
    It must be saved for posterity.’

    So, he removed it, stuffed it into his briefcase, and took it home.

    ‘I have something to show you won’t believe,’ he said to his wife, opening his briefcase.

    ‘My God!’ the wife exclaimed,
    ‘Schwartz is dead!’

    The 4th Affair

    A woman was in bed with her lover when she heard her husband opening the front door.

    ‘Hurry,’ she said, ‘stand in the corner.’

    She rubbed baby oil all over him, then dusted him with talcum powder.

    ‘Don’t move until I tell you,’ she said. ‘Pretend you’re a statue.’

    ‘What’s this?’ the husband inquired as he entered the room.

    ‘Oh it’s a statue,’ she replied. ‘The Smiths bought one and I liked it so I got one for us, too.’

    No more was said, not even when they went to bed.

    Around 2 AM the husband got up, went to the kitchen and returned with a sandwich and a beer.

    ‘Here,’ he said to the statue, ‘have this.
    I stood like that for two days at the Smiths and nobody offered me a damned thing.’

    The 5th Affair

    A man walked into a cafe, went to the bar and ordered a beer.

    ‘Certainly, Sir, that’ll be one cent.’

    ‘One Cent?’ the man exclaimed.

    He glanced at the menu and asked: ‘How much for a nice juicy steak and a bottle of wine?’

    ‘A nickel,’ the barman replied.

    ‘A nickel?’ exclaimed the man. ‘Where’s the guy who owns this place?’

    The bartender replied: ‘Upstairs, with my wife.’

    The man asked: ‘What’s he doing upstairs with your wife?’

    The bartender replied: ‘The same thing I’m doing to his business down here.’

    The 6th & Best Affair

    Jake was dying. His wife sat at the bedside.

    He looked up and said weakly: ‘I have something I must confess.’

    ‘There’s no need to, ‘his wife replied. ‘No,’ he insisted,
    ‘I want to die in peace.
    I slept with your sister, your best friend, her best friend, and your mother!’

    ‘I know,’ she replied.
    ‘Now just rest and let the poison work.’

  209. EC – 12:36 ‘cold fusion’
    In the late 80’s, there were two ‘cold fusion’ teams fighting over who would establish priority on the discovery of some unexpected results, and the race did, indeed, create misunderstandings.

    As I remember, I thought the scientists were naive in thinking that the journalists would not push what was said into a ‘major headline’. Then their university administrators entered the fray and the scientists didn’t immediately push the eject button because they did not have enough information to counter those who they thought of as superiors. After that they were enmeshed in a political trap that they had only partially created. The scientists were not experienced enough to manage the situation themselves and their administrators were looking after their own interests. A pretty bad situation all ’round.

    Read a bit more about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion

    It looks wiki captured at least some of the ambiguity:
    “In the accompanying press release Fleischmann was quoted saying: “What we have done is to open the door of a new research area, our indications are that the discovery will be relatively easy to make into a usable technology for generating heat and power, but continued work is needed, first, to further understand the science and secondly, to determine its value to energy economics.”

    Does that mean they HAD discovered a new effect, or that more research was needed? Probably worth a headline and maybe your money, but not my own until investigated further!

    Here is an unrelated, current, story that has been managed better:
    “Downer said that now that he and his team have demonstrated the workability of the 2 GeV accelerator, it should be only a matter of time until 10 GeV accelerators are built. That threshold is significant because 10 GeV devices would be able to do the X-ray analyses that biologists and chemists want.

    “I don’t think a major breakthrough is required to get there,” he said. “If we can just keep the funding in place for the next few years, all of this is going to happen.”
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/21/desktop-sized-atom-smasher-demonstrated/

    It’s still about money and risk, but much better managed.

    There is still working on going with cold fusion. Here is a link: http://coldfusionnow.org/

  210. an attempt to compete with Frank’s naughty niece

    A girl from Liverpool goes to the Welfare to register for child benefits. ‘How many children?’, asks the officer. ‘Ten’, says the girl. ‘Ten?, so what are their names? ‘Nathan, Nathan, Nathan, Nathan….Nathan’. ‘All Nathans?, says the man, ‘doesn’t that get confusing?’. ‘Naah’, says the girl, it’s great, if they’re playing outside I just shout ‘Nathan, dinner ready’, and they all come in like’. ‘Well, says the officer, ‘but what if you want to speak to one of them individually?’ ‘That’s easy like, too’, says the girl, ‘I just use their surnames.’

    and more

    There’re two Liverpool girls in a car, no music. Who’s driving? The policeman.

    What you you call a 27 year Liverpool girl? A granny.

    How can you be sure Jesus wasn’t born in Liverpool? Go a find 3 wise man and a virgin there.

    (Baron has more, he’s lazy to type it in).

  211. There has been a spate recently (hasn’t there always been) of top jobs at the BBC going to quite a fair number of labour supporters, all this during and after the disaster that was George Edward Entwistle, for him to succeed as Director-General for however briefly that prime lump of political-correct diddlysquat Mark Thompson was a travesty that showed utter contempt for those who pay the licence.

    That he be followed by a dithering fool Tony Hall as the 16th Director-General of the BBC just compounds this contempt, even more so that he, Tony Hall makes a space for James Purnell at a salary of somewhere around £300,000, James Purnell served as both Culture and Work and Pensions Secretary under Gordon Brown, however T Hall said we must not worry as Purnell will hang up his politics at the door and take on the BBC mantle of impartiality whilst doing his job (oh no he will not) you might well remember that we the tax-payers had to pay £1,600 to clean up the filth that he left at a property that he had rented.

    See:- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1173769/Revealed-The-filthy-rental-home-vacated-James-Purnell–1-600-cleaning-paid-taxpayers.html

    What has given me cause to write this post was something said on today’s repeat of yesterdays Any Questions on BBC Radio 4, Jonathon Dimbleby
    when he was introducing the panel said that Oona King was an ex-MP, now a Labour Peer and that she was also the Head of Diversity at channel 4, he then asked her “what does that job entail?” her answer was scary, she said that “she did not Know”.

    Says it all really, political failures are given sinecures to bolster their pride and self esteem and to provide them a place at the trough the better to shove their ugly snouts into.

  212. There is a small family hotel in Bournemouth that specialises in taking Jewish guests many of whom returned year after year for the same two weeks holiday.

    One day Mr Cantor returned to his room and said to his wife that Isaac Green was boasting in the hotel bar that he has had sex with all of the ladies’ in the hotel bar one.

    His wife paused and then said “it will be that stuck up Mrs Silverman on the third floor”

  213. Malfleur June 22nd, 2013 – 11:13

    Splendid idea, possibly they might play the pig-bellied bassoon.

  214. YORKS. A small area of the urbanized West Ridding [I’m told]has produced a large number of notorious murderers…..and of Public Hangmen.They include Albert Pierrpoint(preceded by his father and uncle) and Charlie Peace.

  215. Alison June 22nd, 2013 – 09:30

    “David Ossitt: Please tell me you’re not one of those who thinks that all orchestral musicians are amateurs, with a separate day job?”

    Of course not.

  216. David Ossitt@June 22nd, 2013 – 16:37

    Remember most of them are on the fiddle 🙂

  217. Alexsandr June 22nd, 2013 – 17:44

    David Ossitt@June 22nd, 2013 – 16:37

    Remember most of them are on the fiddle 🙂

    Bang bang.

  218. When wind-mad eco-mentalist Ed Davey was asked point blank, on QT last Thursday, if he agreed with arming the Syrian “rebels” he became distinctly evasive, incoherent and, imo, swivel-eyed! But of course cast iron Dave and concrete Willy(of Arabia) have no such scruples about chucking petrol on a fire in order to extinguish it.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10135823/Syria-I-saw-rebels-execute-my-boy-for-no-more-than-a-joke.html

    Arab Spring, anyone?

  219. David Ossitt, June 22nd, 2013 – 19:13

    Isn’t Basil Brush from Yorkshire?
    In which case, would not “Ha Ha! Boom! Boom!” have been more appropriate?
    🙂
    PS. Thurgoland Forever!

  222. The situation centred around Furness General Hospital is getting beyond anything believable.

    Mr Hendrickson used to work as a cleaner at the hospital where his wife and newborn son died and is taking legal action against the Trust he holds responsible.

    The headlines are:

    * NHS chief ‘offered bribe to hush up death of my baby’: Father’s shock at scandal-hit boss’s £3,000 cash deal
    * Carl Hendrickson’s wife Nittaya and son Chester died in ‘horrific’ circumstances at Furness General Hospital in Cumbria
    * Claims he was visited twice at home by Tony Halsall, the local trust chief executive, and told that he should take the money and move out of the area
    * MPs said the visits raised questions about a potential cover-up at the trust which is the subject of a botched review by the Care Quality Commission
    * Mr Halsall, who stood down as chief executive in early 2012, denied it was a bribe and said he had made the offer ‘as a good employer’

    The friend said: ‘Halsall said to Carl, “Can we have a grown-up conversation? We don’t want to be sat here in two years’ time and you’ve lost your case. So why don’t I give you £3,000, [we] will find you a job in Preston, you can move from the area, and we can all move on with our lives?” Carl was pretty insulted. He thought it was a bribe – hush money to drop the clinical negligence case.’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2346554/NHS-chief-offered-bribe-hush-death-baby-Fathers-shock-scandal-hit-bosss-3-000-cash-deal.html

    How can the public worship this dammed organisation and ignore its evil practices?

    How can our political representatives do nothing? They have had plenty of time to have started some meaningful action.

    Are they waiting for someone in Brussels to given them instructions or don’t they care at all that they have no credibility, no soul, no anything at all?

  223. Speaking out cost NHS whistleblower his job
    A whistleblower has told how he was forced out of a senior post at the NHS watchdog after reporting the findings of its inspections.

    “Roger Davidson lost his job as head of media and public affairs for the Care Quality Commission just before the 2010 general election — after telling how a quarter of NHS trusts had failed to meet basic hygiene standards.
    He was forced to sign a gagging order when he left and was told that the CQC was “railing against” his action to “highlight issues”.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10137029/Speaking-out-cost-NHS-whistleblower-his-job.html

    Taking away their pensions does not seem enough when they took away the job of someone who only doing his job!

    And Cameron has still ring fenced this dreadful organisation!

  224. RobertC – 23:01 – ‘post by marplot on same article (circa 1 hr earlier)’

    Roger Davidson, it seems, can be bullied into silence but the cabal of women mismanaging the CQC remain above criticism – to the point of utter and complete silence on the part of BBC Radio News.

    I have long since noticed that those who work in the NHS seem to think that sainthood is a certainty without the necessary proof of three miraculous healings, but I have also noticed that the women working in it – by far the vast majority of its employees, even if they are working part-time – seem to think that sainthood is their destiny on grounds of martyrdom for so doing.

    The unpalatable truth of this emerging fiasco is that the BBC won’t report this matter because it concerns women and our political elites won’t deal with this matter because it concerns women – because political correctness and ideological feminism have now reached such proportions that women cannot, theoretically do wrong, however inefficient and unethical is their alleged misconduct.

    The very fact that the initial report referred to the individuals concerned as “Mr” changing what they would call their “gender” but which is more correctly changing their sex, is sinister in the extreme. Just imagine the hue and cry had it been the other way round – on the grounds that the vast majority of NHS personnel are women and thus the best way to protect their identities.

    What we see emerging is a pattern of outright wrongdoing if not downright wickedness hiding behind ideology in the same sacrosanct way a sexual pervert might hide behind a religious habit.

    The unpalatable truth is that if it’s such a man’s world out there, if the feminists behaved a little more like gentlemen, perhaps they would all get on a little better.

    One thing’s for sure – no gentleman would have behaved like that cabal of females in the CQC.

  226. COUNTY CUMBERLAND: The Cumberland PENCIL Museum[£4-25 entrance] in KESWICK has 100,000 visitors a year.That is twice as many as the EU Commission Visitor Centre in Brussels which has had £850,000 spent to renovate it;as Ukip complains.(Info;Express,also DM.)

  229. And on a lighter note from the NN):

    My Little Satnav

    I have a little Satnav
    It sits there in my car
    A Satnav is a driver’s friend
    It tells you where you are

    I have a little Satnav
    I’ve had it all my life
    It’s better than the normal ones
    My Satnav is my wife

    It gives me full instructions
    Especially how to drive
    “It’s thirty miles an hour”, it says
    “You’re doing thirty five”

    It tells me when to stop and start
    And when to use the brake
    And tells me that it’s never ever
    Safe to overtake

    It tells me when a light is red
    And when it goes to green
    It seems to know instinctively
    Just when to intervene

    It lists the vehicles just in front
    And all those to the rear
    And taking this into account
    It specifies my gear.

    I’m sure no other driver
    Has so helpful a device
    For when we leave and lock the car
    It still gives its advice

    It fills me up with counselling
    Each journey’s pretty fraught
    So why don’t I exchange it
    And get a quieter sort?

    Ah well, you see, it cleans the house,
    Makes sure I’m properly fed,
    It washes all my shirts and things
    And – keeps me warm in bed!

    Despite all these advantages
    And my tendency to scoff,
    I do so wish that once-in-a-while
    I could turn the bugger off.

    Anon

  230. Pierre de Maidstone, June 22nd, 2013 – 21:46

    Snap! Well worth repeating. eg. EC, June 18th, 2013 – 23:05

    However, such is the MSM’s desire to gloss over these outrages, it took Mark Steyn in the USA to bring it to wider attention.

  232. Frank P
    June 23rd, 2013 – 09:35
    Brilliant! Wonder what Richard (husband of Hyacinth Bucket) would say?

  235. More bad news for the NHS:

    Lawyer representing victims of Jimmy Savile says new evidence will show more NHS staff than previously thought turned a blind eye to his sex attacks
    * Lawyer says offences were just as bad as those on BBC premises
    * Liz Dux claimed many NHS staff knew of his crimes, but did nothing
    * She said one victim was assaulted on a trolley going to an x-ray
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2346830/Lawyer-representing-victims-Jimmy-Savile-says-new-evidence-NHS-staff-previously-thought-turned-blind-eye-sex-attacks.html

    … and another, but it does show that some do try against all the odds to do the right thing:
    I was bullied and branded mentally ill – for exposing lies of the ‘care’ inspectors: The astonishing story of courageous CQC whistleblower in her own words

    It’s only now, after months of trying to prove the CQC was not fit for purpose and that patients’ lives were at risk, that I have been vindicated.

    I then discovered that Jo Williams had commissioned a mental health report on me and even made a doctor’s appointment for me behind my back. She later resigned over this.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2346594/I-bullied-branded-mentally-ill–exposing-lies-care-inspectors-The-astonishing-story-courageous-CQC-whistleblower–words.html

    At least we are hearing some of what we have suspected for some time, though the quantity and blatant arrogance is still shocking, and one does wonder if there is anyone that has the confidence of the public to do anything about it.

  237. Frank P 23rd, – 09:35

    Following a 350 mile drive from dahn sarf, I reckon your NN has nailed it in one!

  240. Clear Memories (11.3 7)

    Yes, it was a deeply depressing and savage display of mob derision displayed by the QT audience; followed by a series of inane remarks from Dimbleass and the other members of the panel. She fought back bravely, but when outnumbered by numbskulls, it’s peeing agin the wind. Her blog riposte is brilliant.

  241. From the Daily Mail; “David Cameron’s Cabinet is now in favour of cutting universal benefits for pensioners at the next election”

    But foreign “aid”, ie cash thrown at African dictators’ wives’ shopping frolics, is ring-fenced.

    Cameron and his reptilian friends shouldn’t worry. They won’t be in power after 2015. Who will be in charge, I neither know nor care. As long as it’s not DC.

  242. “The talks were split over how savers should be treated, with Germany and other eurozone countries insisting on rigid rules that would impose losses on those with more than €100,000 (£85,000) in their account. France and Britain, together with other non-eurozone EU members, want more flexibility to tailor action on failing banks to protect savers. ”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/10136307/EU-bank-bail-out-talks-deadlocked-over-saver-protection.html

  243. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2346756/Visitors-India-high-risk-countries-Asia-Africa-forced-pay-3-000-cash-bond-enter-UK.html?ico=home^headlines

    No more than a perfectly sensible idea.

    The following line struck me as amusing “There are also fears it may lead to countries such as India making British tourists pay a similar bond.”

    Last week, I was ‘skyping’ with a pal of my son’s, the son of some old college friends. (Apart from my son, a bunch of leftie-liberals who consider my politics to the right of Adolf, but that has never stopped us being friends!)

    Said young chap is ‘gap-yearing’ with his girlfriend and has reached Malaysia, with India the next leg. He has applied for visas as they travel – and, oh delicious irony, India have refused them entry and will only issue them with a visa via their UK Embassy, meaning they have to return to the UK and go through a bunch of hoops before they can visit this third world hell hole.

    You could see the pain as they were forced to face up to the fact, for perhaps the very first time, that the migration/immigration field is not a level one and that, perhaps after all, the UK is a soft touch and, begrudgingly, through clenched teeth, were forced to admit I might have a point!

    Oh, Deep Joy.

  244. Clear Memories: so instead of those who plan to come and stay here illegally having to pay £10,000+ for forged documents and/or to people smugglers,the gov. is going to facilitate their illegal immigration…..wrong word….their illegal settlement here for £3,000? Cheap-at-half-the-price.

  245. Radford NG, June 24th, 2013 – 02:15

    It’s a turf war between two rival gangs of mobsters!

    Re: your post @June 23rd, 2013 – 00:10
    i.e. ANOTHER “incident at a property” this time in Thamesmead.

    The fact that yourself and Mark Steyn, 1000s of miles. away can dig these stories out of obscure local rags whilst our MSM keeps us in the dark is informative. Correct, none of them mention the elephant in the room.

  246. Radford NG – 02:15 ‘smugglers at £3k each’

    Each visitor should have a sponsor, with any delay in returning requiring daily payments by the said sponsor.

    It could wipe out the deficit!

  247. Every visitor should certainly have health insurance, from EU countries as well as out of the EU. And certainly from high risk countries should have to post a bond that they will leave when their VISA expires. But I would presently stop immigration of most Muslims altogether until a test could (if it could) be developed to allow a distinction between those who hold incompatible views (such as that all those leaving Islam should be murdered) and those who have modified those views.

    All EU visitors with a right to work should also have to have unemployment insurance and should not be eligible for benefits unless they have worked and paid tax for several years. Those who remain unemployed and whose insurance cover has expired should be required to return to their own home countries. This is not unreasonable. I was reading about an older man from Kent who had gone to live in Australia and whose health worsened and he was required to return home to Kent. It is reasonable that Australia should not have to pick up his long term health care costs.

  248. Peter from Maidstone
    June 24th, 2013 – 10:58

    I think the Koran prohibits Muslims from taking out insurance – I believe Obama’s healthcare bill excuses little sheet heads from the requirement to take out insurance. That being the case, this simple rule, firmly applied, should keep all the made medieval scum out of the UK for a long time.

    As for your comments on Australia, all I can say is that it cost me and my wife $100,000 to emigrate – that was our payment into their social security system, plus our daughter had to post a $10,000 bond for 10 years which is the first port of call if we make any claim upon their services. Other than that, she and her husband sponsored us so they are expected to look after us.

    I left the UK simply because I refused to pay any longer to be the worlds health service, to fund a safe haven for the worlds scum and be ruled by a war criminal and a one-eyed Scots bigot who thought he was clever.

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