The Coffee House Wall – 18th/24th February

Posted on February 18, 2013

This is the Coffee House Wall for this week. I won’t say that it is your chance to communicate with us, as we are all in this together. It is, nevertheless, the Conservative Blog post that has no particular theme, and where everything is on topic. Let’s just remember that we want to avoid ad hominem attacks on others. We don’t want to engage with trolls. We want to moderate our language ourselves as responsible and mature adults, choosing to use fruity language only where it is necessary. This is our opportunity to show what the Spectator Coffee House Wall could have been like.

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276 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 18th/24th February”

  4. Re the tsunami of Indians being admitted to Britain to settle, I would like to point out that when I lived in India, I was allowed to stay six months only. I went down and begged, and even knew people in the government, yet they wouldn’t budge. Six months only. No exceptions. And I was just one person, self-supporting, with a British passport. But they wouldn’t be swayed. Six months, then out.

    I had a friend I’d been palling around with and he also applied to extend his visa, and the answer was the same. No.

    Compare and contrast.

    Compare and contrast.

  5. Good fisking of the uberbore Will Hutton by Charles Crawford in the Commentator:

    http://www.the commentator.com/article/2736/will_Hutton_old_nag

    My PC has packed up – doing this on Nexus 7 with a poker! Vri bad for the minces! Any up to speed with good vfm computer deals currently?

  6. strapworld
    February 18th, 2013 – 17:09

    No peas tonight, Peter?
    ===================
    strapworld, forgive my dullness, but I cannot understand the message. Is it because Peter is en route to Windsor, and hence the soup will be Brown Windsor and not pea soup? Please elucidate…..

  7. Interesting item on “Inside Out” tonight, Russia wants to award British men who helped in convoys during World War II.The Foreign Ministry and Foreign Commonwealth office are refusing to allow these elderly veterans to receive these medals. Damn hobsworthies, who probably never did active service, save on their mattresses face down!

  8. AWK – We must thank the Lord and be truly thankful that Camoron Blancmange-Face has never been in the Armed Forces. The arm oif the services that he was in would never have recovered.

  9. Where is everyone? It’s 9 pm in Britain and we only have nine posts. Is it a public holiday today? It is balmy weather? Where is everyone???

  10. Three final posts

    And here’s to you Tommy Robinson
    Jesus loves you more than you will know
    God bless you please Tommy Robinson
    Heaven holds a place for those who pray
    Hey hey hey

    Wed like to know a little bit about you for our files
    Wed like to help you learn to help yourself
    Look around you all you see are sympathetic eyes
    Stroll around the grounds until you feel at home

    Second verse sinister?

  14. AWK @ 1959 Have you got a link for that programme? I rememeber at least 20 years ago when this issue came up and, unless I’m going crazy, there were some medals issued for those sailors on the Arctic convoys because my old junior school teacher got one.

  16. News just in:

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/one-teenager-shot-and-another-stabbed-to-death-in-weekend-of-bloodshed-in-london-8498953.html

    Evenin’ Stannard asserts, according to Plod, that neither Joseph Burke-Monerville (“who was studying forensic science at London Metropolitan University”) nor his brothers had any links to gangs or crime. If that really were the case, then why did they feel the need to edit his picture (Google Image his name) in which he is clearly making a gang sign?

  17. Hexhamgeezer 18th, – 22:27

    I believe that, when the Atlantic Star was issued, it was to be for service in all of the Atlantic, whether that was in transatlantic convoys or in Russian convoys.
    From what I’ve learnt, although the transatlantic convoys were tough, the Russian ones were tougher; in the winter it was U-boats plus the extreme freezing conditions, in the summer it was U-boats plus constant air attacks, once there was 24 hour daylight. And , of course, the reception was different…in many places Yanks welcomed our sailor with open arms (and everything else!); Archangel and Murmansk, themselves under constant attack, were less welcoming, so there was no chance to unwind and ‘destress’.

    But I guess that here I’m not preaching to the ignorant, so I’ll shut up.

  18. AWK – 22:00 – “-can you imagine him (The Rt Honourable Camoron Blancmange-Face) wearing a busby?”

    The mind reels, and one staggers to the whisky for another drink to steady the nerves. That fat, self-satisfied, bland face that lacks a single character line on it – unusual in one his age – and his patrician, lofty demeanour, his ugly wife … someone tell me: What on earth did this invidual have going for him that he was named the head of the Conservative Party? Seriously. What on earth persuaded them to name this loser their leader? It can’t have been wit, personality, quick thinking, an engaging manner (all of which are had in spades by Nigel Farage, by the way). Was this truly the best the Conservatives could come up with?

    It doesn’t say much for a once-great party, does it? I am glad that Mrs Thatcher does not know how far the party she led with such vigour, clarity of thought, and bravery has sunk.

  19. Ive just been over to Sultan Knish, whose blog I signed up to, and recommended on these pages, and there is NOTHING NEW! I hate that!

  20. I like Indians and this posting has nothing derogatory against them. I do wonder, however if Cameron is planning to open the doors ever wider for them as a means of combating the very real moslem menace? Who knows what that idiot dreams up when he is systematically destroying both the tory party, and more seriously this country?

  21. Good post, AWK, but in your last sentence, I do think that “idiot” needs an adjective. I would suggest “desructive”, “self-regarding” or “dim-witted”.

    Dave Dim.

  22. AWK – I like Indians, too. I remember the first time I went to Delhi, I walked down the street with my jaw hanging round my knees. The number of absoutely beautiful women and handsome men was overwhelming. And they all walk so tall. No slouching. In the far south, they are not so stunning to look at, but they make up for it with brain power.

    Also, Indians, by and large – I’m sure there are some dim ones somewhere but by and large, they have a wonderful, quick humour. I love it and would gladly live there, but they don’t let you have more than six months. Then it’s OUT. Go!

    Unlike Britain, a tiny, overcrowded island that is currently turning itself into the world’s dustbin.

  25. There is a good piece in today’s Telegraph by Andrew Lilico, a director of Europe Economics. I like the plain delivery, without the political froth that has enveloped three of the four main parties:

    Ed Miliband’s plan to tax rich and poor is wrong on both counts
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/9878232/Ed-Milibands-plan-to-tax-rich-and-poor-is-wrong-on-both-counts.html

    His points are:
    1) that the 10p income rate means that, for the same ‘expense to the Treasury’, poorer people are being taxed, those with earnings that put them up to but not above half the 10p tax band.
    2) if the low paid contribute, they should be paying national insurance, something that gives them an entitlement; one to which they will have contributed!
    3) A higher tax rate band could be considered, for those whose spare money would be spent on luxuries, “but even then, tax rates should not be so high that we work mainly for the state rather than ourselves; no one should pay more than half their income as tax.”
    4) The last point I will take three paragraphs from the article because they make their points so well:
    “A central function of society is the protection of private property rights. Britain is not a grand collective, in which all property is held in common and “we” decide how much each person gets to use on the basis of some notion of “desert”. Individuals and families and businesses hold property, and it is the task of the state to protect it.”

    and

    “We see such collectivist thinking in many policy areas today. Columnists ask whether FTSE executives “deserve” their pay. Others say it is “unfair” that older home owners gained from the property boom of the 2000s, and so ought to contribute their bit. The public felt that it was “unfair” if depositors in banks lost their money when a bank went bust, and that it was the job of the Government to bail them out.
    We have largely forgotten the concept of property being private, such that it is my responsibility to maintain it, but if I choose not to use it for any commercial gain that is no one’s business but mine and I should pay no charge for the “privilege” of not using it.”

  29. Peter frim Maidstone – Yes, Indians are racist, like the rest of the world and anyone who denies he is a racist is either a saint or a liar. The Left are toxic racists, much worsse than the right, in that they select non-Caucasions – save Indians and Orientals, who they know are our equals in brain power – to patronise. I wonder why. Could it be that they judge Indians and Orientals our equals? That, equally, is racism. Caucasian patronisers want to be held up as sterling exampes of intelligent inclusivity so people will admire them. In other words, they usse people from other races (save Indians and Orientals) as tools to demonstrate how wonderful and inclusive they, what, so to speak mahatamas!

    In other words, they demote Third Worlder to tools to provve their inclusive credentials as humanitarians.

  30. Sorry about the typo at the end. I can’t block out the horrible bright sun and it is glaring onto my screen. I’ve got a pillowcase hanging over the window and it makes no difference. Basically, all I can see on the screen is my own early morning reflection. It’s enough to put one off blogging.

  31. Verity/AWK – I find Indians very interesting too. My local newsagent asks me every time I go in if I have booked my holiday to India yet. So quick witted and lovely smiles and eyes they have.

    I am told that there is a raging culture war taking place. Youths now want ‘rights’ – let’s hope that they don’t lose their common sense as they go up and up in the world.

  32. Thank you for that link RobertC. This final line also stood out for me:-

    “That Socialists promote such collectivism is no great surprise. That some Conservatives support them is more mysterious.”

    Indeed. Might have something to do with the fact that some Tory MPs seem to be ex-Labour or one time fellow travellers.

  33. A work colleague of mine who I know to be gay has been ranting on a social networking site today about Muslims in East London who are going around declaring parts of the East End as “gay free zones” and some gays are getting attacked. I mention this because of the language he is using – “these primitive bastards should go the f— home” and suchlike. And he calls himself a leftie. I find it amusing when this happens – when ppl who patronise conservatives turn when frightened into the sort of knee jerkers that they usually despise.

    It happened a few weeks back when Julie Burchill wrote a scathing article about how “transsexuals” were not “real” women and described them as “bed-wetters in bad wigs” …

    I am sure that eventually liberal ideology will get turned over by its own proponents through bad experience, though it will probably be too late by then …

  35. The penultimate post

    We see little of you all over on Speccie.

    May I ask why?

    May I encourage you back?

  39. Yes, Frank, as with all acts of alleged altruism one has to ask ‘cui bono’?

    But the depth to which they’ve insinuated their tentacles into society is truly gobsmacking.

  40. Hats off to Frank P (February 19th, 2013 – 16:01) for the link to Melanie Phillips’ terrifyingly clear summary headed “The terminal poison of the European ‘liberal’.”

    Like many Brits, I still tend to assume that “European” means something separate and different from “British”.

    But the dismaying fact is that the very same poison that she describes has also leeched into British society, and even begun to distort common sense.

    When discussing any opinion I suggest that the litmus test for the presence of this phenomenon is to ask whether the opinion tends to gloss over the growth of Islam.

    If it tends to gloss over it, then I suggest that the tendency is rooted in the poison that Melanie describes and that the poison has – quite without the holder of the opinion being conscious of it – distorted the thinking behind the opinion.

    In Denmark, the poison’s newest victim is Lars Hedegaard. In Britain, is the current victim Tommy Robinson?

    Discuss.

  41. On BBC Radio 4, 5:00 heard that Timothy West, the famous actor, decried the fact that he cannot recall a Minister of Culture who knew anything about culture. Sad, yes, but I think it far worse that we have a Minister of Defence who knows nothing of matters martial, a Minister of Health who does not understand medical matters. Then we have various ignoramuses, snouts in the trough, pretending to be ministers of this, that and the other. Finally we have a ‘tory’ prime minoster who is neither a conservative, a man of intelligence, or even a person of good intentions,

  42. Good – as in horrifying – link to Melanie, Frank P. Thank you.

    It just gets more depressing. How on earth did the left, which is clearly deranged, manage to invade governments and the media with such chilling success?

  44. As a postscript to my 17:59 posting here’s a slightly shortened repeat of one of Melanie’s paragraphs –

    “The attempted murder of Lars Hedegaard for speaking out against Islamist violence has received virtually no public attention – except in Sweden………. several Swedish newspapers published wicked distortions about him in order to portray him entirely falsely as an acknowledged racist.”

    It seems to me that the demonisation of Lars Hedegaard and the demonisation of Tommy Robinson (not to mention the demonisation of Nick Griffin) are all part of the same, sad suicidal phenomenon – i.e. that of feeling compelled to treat the trivial as more important than the existential.
    .

  46. Herbert Thornton writes, “several Swedish newspapers published wicked distortions about him in order to portray him entirely falsely as an acknowledged racist.”

    I wonder why the Swedes think islam is a race.
    .

  47. When the government has determined you’re a racist exploiter of the poor who won’t get with the programme.

    When your MP turns out to be a banker, or a liberal or an EU federast, or a transgendered bed wetter in a bad wig, or all four.

    When your new neighbour greets you with ‘Salam alaikum Sadiq’, instead of ‘How art’a, lad’ as he looks meaningfully at your bag of garden fertiliser, whilst fondling his beard.

    When your turbine won’t turn your wind into electrical power.

    When even Verity has bowed to Kismet and has hoisted the white pillowcase of surrender in her window.

    We menfolk have only one option, to escape this wicked world in the fantasy of our choice…

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/gardeningpicturegalleries/9880141/Shed-of-the-Year-2013-entrants.html?frame=2485748

    How big is yours?

  51. Herbert Thornton writes:

    “..In Denmark, the poison’s newest victim is Lars Hedegaard. In Britain, is the current victim Tommy Robinson?
    Discuss.”

    The answer to that question is clearly no.

    Leaders and martyrs may come in all shapes and sizes, but it is best if their views are promulgated from a platform of integrity.
    Unfortunately Mr Lennon doesn’t have a good track record in this area. He has form, quite a lot of it, and not politically related.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_%28English_Defence_League%29#Criminal_record

    Whilst it’s possible to argue that travelling on a false passport is a minor offence, it is still a clear and avoidable breach of the law . What then, does it say about the morals and honesty of a man that he is prepared to behave in such a manner?
    If such behaviour is considered excusable because we share a common view about the threat of Islam, are we not undermining our own integrity and condoning Mr Lennon’s own lack of morality?

    So for me Mr Lennon fails the meet the standards we should have every right to expect from our politicians, but of course, they usually don’t. As Lord Nolan summarised these quite succintly, I will simply ask readers two questions: whether they think his criteria were reasonable, and whether Mr Lennon met them.

    http://dbsjeyaraj.com/dbsj/archives/9783

    Assuming that we have now at least established a reasonable element of doubt in Mr Lennon’s qualities and abilities for political leadership and office, two further questions arise. Should he continue to lead the EDL? And what qualities should we expect in his replacement?

    The answer to the first is self evident. The EDL is doomed to failure and early extinction if he remains. Check the EDL mission statement. Do you believe it can be achieved and have credibility, whilst it is led by a convicted criminal? It will be doomed to remain a marginalised street party and simply wither, unless it reforms under a credible leader.

    http://englishdefenceleague.org/home/about-us

    There is a real alternative. If Mr Lennon has acquired too many of the characteristics of Mosley, and the EDL a reputation akin to his Blackshirts, others have provided an acceptable model.

    The way forward is for Geert Wilders and his Freedom Party to become the role model, to be the franchise for liberty in the Uk and Europe. In this way the Conservative Right could start to build the powerful cross party alliance from true Conservatism, through UKIP, to the minority Right parties that is required to defeat the hydra headed threats of international socialism and militant islam. There is also the example of Marin le Pen but achieving success in France may be harder than in the Netherlands

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/change-religion-politician-tells-muslims-20130219-2ep21.html

  52. That patient merit of the unworthy takes
    When he himself might his quietus make

    Amphinomus son of Nisos
    He is some god it seems
    For my spear he survived
    And now he seeks deadly vengeance
    For now I must fly
    These words have wings
    The fray will pass to my two noble lieutenants

  55. It was good listening to John Prescott on ‘Today’ this morning.
    If there is anything that more clearly demonstrates his complete unfitness ever to have held political office I’ve yet to hear it.

    😉

  57. Verity
    February 19th, 2013 – 01:34
    My theory – for what it’s worth – re: the selection of Shamoron as leader was that he dazzled the blue-rinse brigade with a one-off piece of oration, without notes, and was seized upon as the answer to Blair who was seen at the time to be all things to all men. How else to explain his thrice-victorious elections? It was a classic case of Generals preparing to fight the last war, as almost immediately the great, unfathomable British electorate was turning against Blair and all his foul works. The truly astounding mystery of the age is that Labour still prove to be a threat after their years of vandalising this country, especially somewhere as relatively leafy as Eastleigh. If UKIP don’t feature prominently there then I’ll know that we are truly done for.

  58. Noa
    February 20th, 2013 – 11:45

    Dog and cat lovers. All together now, awhhhhh!

    http://www.neatorama.com/2013/02/18/Danger-Dogs-of-Nepal/
    =======================
    Noa, this is a very dangerous article – not a joke! Just think if the PC jobworthies see it? They will ban all pets under ‘Ealth and Safety regulations, and our poor tenants who live in places where pets are banned will increase. Children will become even more alienated from the natural world, and that’s just for starters. Next the State cullers will step in.

  60. Ostrich (occasionally)
    February 18th, 2013 – 23:37 and Hexhamgeezer
    I once had the privilege to work with a bloke who was on Arctic convoy duty on a destroyer escort and he had some truly horrific tales. The one that sticks in my mind was on arriving in Murmansk – or as it might be Archangelsk – the sailors went to look at an aircraft that had been in one of the ships and was then sitting dockside (a sort of “Let’s see what we’ve risked our lives for.” kind of thing.) and the four Russian soldiers who were guarding the thing (Guarding against what one has to ask?) immediately raised and cocked their weapons and gave every impression that they were prepared to shoot! Everywhere they went they were surrounded by curious, friendly Russians but the minute a Russian officer was sighted the crowds disappeared as if by magic. Evidently Stalin’s paranoia reached even there!

  62. Nine a.m. on Wednesday and only 61 posts? Is there something rivetting going on in Britain that is keeping everyone away frome your compujters?? What is it? I’m sure Herbert Thornton and others are also curious.

  63. Noa
    February 20th, 2013 – 12:50

    Anne-12.38

    It was a post with bite then?
    SNAP!!!! 😉

  64. OK, I’ll carry on by myself, inspired by this comical photo of The Hon David Shameron Blancmange-Face http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article in his suit, his bare feet and his Hindu hat (looks better on Hindu men, Dave. They can carry it.).

    I have asked myself, “Why? Why” Does he think he is flattering the locals, the condescending prick? Does he have the faintest notion of how absurd and out of place he looks? You don’t see Geert Wilders dressed in a kilt if he visits Scotland. You don’t see Nigel Farage dressed like John Wayne if he visits Texas.

    How is it that Shameron get every damn thing wrong?

    (If he thinks the Indians will be flattered, let me assure you, having lived in India, that they will be making clever fun of him.)

  65. Noa, (20 Feb 00.07)

    To my mind, your citation of the excellent Geert Wilders is somewhat of a red herring, but on the really important factor I’m afraid that we’re going to have to agree to disagree.

    High mindedness is fine and indeed admirable – but only up to a point. It has already allowed Islam to entrench itself extensively among us and this squabble about Tommy Robinson can only demonstrate (correctly) to Islamists the Infidels’ lack of unity and their preference to oppose Islam with one of their hands tied behind their backs.

    We can no longer afford such high mindedness. It may well be the death of us.

  66. I think I must tend to agree with Herbert. I think of the Catholic priests in penal times who had to disguise themselves to pass through the English border. Should they have ceased their pastoral and missionary activities because they were required to act illegally? When they were tortured to death was it simply a matter of them having incomplete documentation. If Geert Wilders was smuggled into the country against the wishes of a corrupt Home Secretary would that make him really a criminal?

    I am not sure.

    But when the law is used determinedly against us and without consent then is it legal and lawful?

  67. P from M — As a layman, I recognise natural justice and malign injustice when I see it. I agree with Herbert Thornton. Self-congratulatory, touchy-feeling, smug high-mindedness will be the death of us unless we get a prime minister with a spine and cojones.

  68. Herbert (14:31)

    It is LACK of high-mindedness that has already sunk our nation into near-irrelevance. Noa is entirely correct in his analysis of the comparison between Hedegaard and Lennon. If a prospective political ‘movement’ cannot find a leader that does not sport a CRO file accrued from involvement in petty crime (and not all that ‘petty’ imho), then it should knock off and wrap up (to use an old Fire Brigade expression). And anybody that is stupid enough to enter the US of A by means of a bogey passport has ‘stupid’ writ large to add to his CV.

    So … a ‘party’ that has a stupid, violent, dishonest lawbreaker as it’s ‘leader’ does not deserve my support simply because it expresses a dislike of Islam. It can start with the latter premise and I’d be prepared to scan the rest of its manifesto; I’m even prepared to give Lennon a tick for lipping Paxo quite effectively – but given Paxo’s IQ and his piss-poor researchers, it’s only a small tick, as anyone with a pair could do that, if they have two synapses connected as well as two cojones (and not been hand-picked by Auntie for a Paxo stuffing).

    The baggage that Lennon brings to the table sinks him as a viable proposition for office. Not so much a ‘red herring’, Herbert, more a red light. But you are of course entitled to your opinions, with which I often agree.

  69. From over at the other place we have:-

    “The jury in the trial of Vicky Pryce has been discharged having failed to reach a verdict. The decision comes after the jury informed the judge that they were highly unlikely to come to even a majority verdict. The retrial is scheduled to start on Monday.”

    However comments are suspended for legal reasons.

    Why oh why did the judge not direct the jury to bring in a guilty verdict?

  70. Among a very long and ever growing list of daily medication I take Co-Proxamol (325mg Paracetamol and 32.5mg Dextropropoxyphene) tablets two four times per day each and every day and I have been taking this amount for over twenty years with just a one year break.

    The one year break came when the then (totally useless) Labour Minister for Health Patricia Hewitt made a decree that these were to be summarily withdrawn from the approved list of medication, the reason that she gave was that far too many people were using these as the tablet of choice for home suicide.

    My ever caring and truly wonderful GP, persuaded me to switch to Co-Dydramol
    (500mg Paracetamol and 10mg Dihydrocodeine Tartrate), I did point out that eight of these per day would increase my paracetamol intake by 175mg per tablet a total 1,480mg per day and that because of this I would be able to top myself using less tablets.

    I persevered for a couple of months but they were the cause of serious constipation and as I take them for the relief of pain caused by Crohn’s disease these were not helping plus they are not recommended for those with C.O.P.D which I have.

    After the two months he switched me to Co-Codamol (500mg Paracetamol 30mg codeine) these were marginally better than the Co-Dydramol but were not in any way as good as Co-Proxamol.

    After about eleven months of this my local Boots Chemist asked me if I would be willing to allow the chemist revue with me my list of medicate; I agreed and it was during this revue that I mentioned how I missed the Co-Proxamol, the chemist said “oh they are still available but are now listed as ‘unlicensed medicine’,” he then said, “go tell your GP that if he prescribes we will supply” ever since then i have been back on Co-Proxamol.

    The reason why I have gone on about it at such length is because this week I have been reapplying for my ‘Blue Badge’ this requires among other things a full list of all my medication and so I printed out the full list from the ‘SystmOnline’ web page only to find that the Co-Proxamol had been removed off of that list, I enquired at the surgery and this was confirmed, this resulted in my booking a telephone call with my GP.

    This lovely man pointed out that they had been told to stop all such prescriptions until the patients and GP’s could discuss all options available, (something to do with stopping supermarkets selling Paracetamol in greater quantities than 8 or was it 16), I really can’t remember.

    Have any of you had anything similar happen?

  71. Ps. He immediately reinstated my co-proxamol but did say I can see a time when these will no longer be made.

    Madsness.

  72. Herbert Thornton

    The fact of the matter is that the EDL is already an irrelevance. The only party that presently commands credibility and support; offering a viable alternative and the start of an effective opposition to the Islamisation of the UK, is UKIP.
    It is a pre-requisite that, until we regain control of our government, legislature and borders we can make no progress on stopping and rescinding the tidal wave of islamic and third world immigration that is overwhelming Britain and Europe.

  73. From the DT: “Former Eastleigh Lib Dem mayor defects to Ukip after ‘Chris Huhne’s lies'”

    Shurely a leedle bit confushed?

  74. David Ossitt
    February 20th, 2013 – 16:42
    Hello David,
    Co=Codamol was once on the ‘bad boy’ list as codeine js derived from morphine, and wise-guys have found a way to extract “morpheus” from the tablets! Actually, codeine can cause constipation and is not ideal for sufferers of Crohns Disease. By the way, Boots are in the progress of a take over by Allied Healthcare, who like Boots are very profit orientated. Soon no doubt, ur Ministry of Health will be entrusting brain surgery to Boots, as it will be economically feasible.

  75. Noa @ February 20th, 2013 – 16:53
    UKIP! UKIP! UKIP! UKIP! The alternative is too hideous.

  76. O(o) 9.33:
    Apart from demonstrating that he’s an arrogant ill mannered oaf, what was Prescott actually saying? Anyone interested, you can get it on iPlayer, approx 8.10am/

  77. Frank Sutton, was he speaking in sentences?

    AWK – agreed about UKIP! Nigel Farage is an outstanding intelligence and he acts accordingly. When he puts the knife in … on those wonderful clips of the EU Gestapo “Parliament”, it slices through their flesh quietly and painfully.

    Nigel Farage gets it.

    He would be a supberb prime minister for Britain. And he has utter contempt for the EU and all its facist appurtances and habits and power.

    UKIP is now the only viable party in Britain.

  78. “Axminster Carpets in administration talks”
    This headline made me so sad. Apart from the wider implications, I have a very personal regret, When I married in 1957, we proudly bought an Axminster carpet, in the then very contemporary fashion. It was so hardy and well-made. I suppose now carpets will be coming from China or some other place.

  79. David Ossitt @ 16:39
    The local pharmacist recently helped us out with my Father-in-Law’s medication. Ensuring that two were taken two hours apart, as one inhibited the other, and offering to place a week’s worth of medication in a tray of little compartments, for morning, midday and evening throughout the week. A little advertised service that has been of great benefit.
    A few weeks later, we were in another pharmacy and were, again, given excellent advice and reassurance on a different matter. Not a common occurrence these days, outside the pharmacy.

  80. AWK 1
    “By the way, Boots are in the progress of a take over by Allied Healthcare”

    I did not know that, I wonder if we will notice the change?

    RobertC.
    “The local pharmacist recently helped us out with my Father-in-Law’s medication.”

    I always find the local staff (small Boots) most helpful, less so at the larger units.

  81. AWK 1.

    I forgot to mention the young lady from Blue Badge appraisal team telephoned me earlier to tell me that my renewal has been approved, such good news.

  82. awk – Yes, both sad and unbelievable, in a way. Axminster was the gold standard.

    As The Telegraph has now put itself behind a paywall, I haven’t been able to read the details. What accounts for the decline in sales? New companies offering similar quality at a lesser price? The illegal immigrants didn’t want to spend their work-free dole money on good carpets?

  83. frank p 17:47
    Its best to read reviews on sites such as PCPro to see what suits you, then use search engines to find a good price. Time spent on selecting a good product you will be happy with is worth more than a small saving in price.

  85. Noa

    You may be right that UKIP is the only party with any real chance of being voted into power and that fact would certainly influence my vote if I had one.

    Let me put it this way – for practical reasons UKIP would certainly be my first choice if they had a candidate in the constituency where I lived.

    But in the absence of a UKIP candidate and in a contest where the candidates were, say, the BNP, a Liberal and the EDL I would vote for whichever of the two – i.e. EDL or BNP I considered the more likely to get the more support.

  86. Herbert Thornton, who I thought lived in BC, re your post, The EDL or BNP are likely to get the more support that who? The “major”, as we laughingly refer to them, parties?

  87. StephenW

    Thank you for that advice. The local techie fixed my glitch – costly, but successful; next time I shall dump it and start anew, nothing is forever and my rig is now creaky, in keeping with its owner! I’ll bear your advice in mind. Tks.

  88. Frank P (20 February 15:34) –

    You say – “It is LACK of high-mindedness that has already sunk our nation into near-irrelevance.”

    But do the general public esteem high-midedness of the sort that either you or I would regard as virtuous? I think not.

    I think that the general public don’t give a damn about it or even understand the concept. That’s why I don’t believe that their motivation for voting for or against the EDL led by Tommy Robinson can possibly be much influenced by considerations of the sort you & Noa mention. I believe that the general public are mostly influenced by the overwhelming demonisation of him by the media.

    Having said that, I guess my bottom line is described in my above reply to Noa (20 Feb. 19:58)

  89. I think – it may be wishful thinking – that votes are going to sluice away from the Tories at the next election. I don’t think I’ve ever read a positive comment in the letters columns on Cameron. It wouldn’t surprise me if they came in third. God willing, UKIP will land a sheaf of seats. Nigel Farage is not just a straight and quick thinker, but he talks well on his feet. I see a light shining through the crack in the door, and I am hoping UKIP gets at least three or four or five seats (including Nigel, of course) – enough to show their metal in the HoC. That would be enough for peple to judge their performance in Parliament, and ensure victory in the following election.

    After four years, Milliband will have set the ground for Nigel to lead UKIP to many more victories.

  90. P from M – Do you not have my email address? If you don’t, yet, I will email it to you. What is your address?

  92. Thank you, P from M. I will email you, but I don’t know that I have anything of interest to say about the DM páy wall.

  93. Verity:Cameron,following his mentor Blair,has just found another group of natives with a grievance to apologise to for British crimes;this being the Amritsar massacre of 1919.How is it going to spread mutual brotherhood in the back streets of `multi-cultural `Britain to declare,as he has:this should never be forgotten?[A rhetorical question.]

  94. Verity – 20th Feb – 20:12

    You wrote – “Herbert Thornton, who I thought lived in BC, re your post, The EDL or BNP are likely to get the more support that who? The “major”, as we laughingly refer to them, parties?”

    You’re not mistaken – I do live in B.C. – and in the extreme south-west corner of it at that – complete with semi-Mediterranean climate, and this winter (so far) very little frost and NO SNOW whatsoever.

    My reference to ‘the more support’ was not by way of comparing the BNP & EDL to the the so-called ‘major’ parties. I was making a comparison only between the two of them – hence I wrote ‘the more’ rather then ‘the most’.

  95. Radford NG – 22.33

    I note that Manmohan Singh has singularly failed to apologise to our beloved PM Mr Cameron, for the disgraceful butchery of British men women and children at the Cawnpore massacre.

    How long must we wait for this injustice to be acknowledged and righted?

  96. Verity @ 13.37

    It is half term in grey and blustery Britain so that stops folk like me posting, that and the fact that I am talking a fair bit if horse…

  97. AKW at 17.24:The affairs of Boots are complicated.They merged with Alliance UniChem[a european company with Ken Clarke on the board]in 2006 to form Alliance Boots .In 2007 it was bought by a private equity company,the American venture capitalist co.KKR in partnership with an Italian entreperneur.This involved borrowing £9.3 billion,europe’s largest equity deal.Because they can claim interest paid against tax this means the Revenue is loosing about £100million in tax.In 2008 the company office was moved to a post-office box in the great city of Zug (Switzerland).In 2012 a 45%share was sold to an American company Walgreens,prior to a future merger.So Boots is effectively owned [with a big debt burden ]by Americans with a business address in Zug.(Ihave heard nothing of a deal with Allied Healthcare.)

  98. ArchiePonsonby
    February 20th, 2013 – 12:35

    “……. the selection of Shamoron as leader was that he dazzled the blue-rinse brigade with a one-off piece of oration, without notes…….”

    The tragedy for David Davis, at the time, was that he did not have the eloquence and articulacy of Cameron, and therefore came across (at the party conference) as a slightly stodgy speaker, talking about prisons, who failed to shine, in comparison to the smooth, shiny, lounge-lizard who today pollutes 10 Downing St. This was also a tragedy for the Tory party, who were dazzled by a person who had the ability to stride around on a platform with no notes and speak unassisted. Unfortunately, this ability says nothing about a person’s fitness for office, his/her integrity, honesty and courage.

    Those who voted for Cameron have a great deal to answer for.

  99. Anybody hear the boss blocker of OFSTED on ‘Newsnight’ tonight?

    Diction like his is an appalling example from one who is supposed to be setting standards.

  100. ArchiePonsonby 20th, – 12:35

    “……. the selection of Shamoron as leader was that he dazzled the blue-rinse brigade with a one-off piece of oration, without notes…….”

    I suspect you’re right…I believe the ‘B-R B’ has both a lot of power and a lot to answer for. I can remember them crowing when they got I D-S elected as their ‘Anti-Clarke’ candidate. That really worked out well.

  102. UKIP, EDL and the BNP. What the far left thinks:

    “…UKIP benefit from not being associated with extremism and violence – unlike the BNP – and the increasing convergence of immigration, culture, economic issues and the European Union might help it overcome the perception that it is a single issue party.

    It should also be remembered that UKIP could well win the next European Elections and the publicity and support that this generates could sweep the BNP, and any other far-right party striving for electoral success, out of the picture.

    The British far right is fragmented and bitterly divided and in the short term this will continue. While we might enjoy the short-term respite there is no room for complacency. Sooner or later the traditional far-right, in the guise of the BNP or EDL, or the Radical Right, in the guise of UKIP, will re-emerge as a major political threat…”

    http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/where-now-for-far-right/

  105. And Alexander Boot explains Marxism, old and new, in a seminal essay nailing the source its continuing success: one of the seven deadly sins – envy.

    http://alexanderboot.com/content/it%E2%80%99s-only-marx%E2%80%99s-body-that%E2%80%99s-buried-highgate

    Don’t miss it – and disseminate it, particular among so-called conservatives whose minds have been polluted in the Halls of Academe by the subliminal propaganda of crypto-Marxist professors.

    His last paragraph is deeply depressing and I find it impossible to disagree with his prognostication.

  106. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2281941/600-000-decade-white-flight-London-White-Britons-minority-capital.html

    Couple this with Cameron’s ill-advised open invitation to the Indians and we can sit back and watch the fun really start.

    As noted elsewhere, the Indians are a highly racist people and the primary focus of their bile are the Africans whom, along with the Arabs, the Chinese and the Japanese, they do not consider to be human. With London’s blacks now outnumbered by “Asians”, the sparks are really going to start flying.

    Be interesting to see how the Beeboids deal with brown-on-black violence. No doubt they’ll find a way to lay it at the white mans door.

  107. Clear Memories at 1.36:The same as they deal with Lozells. Where? Exactly!It’s long been a source of embarrassment to metro-sexual-liberals:57%`asian;19.5% black;10%indigenous English.(Don’t mention Lozells.What ever you do,don’t mention Lozells[Birm.].

  108. Radford NG – I’m well aware of Lozells – I worked in Newtown and then by The Wheels. Not a white face in sight anywhere. Cars cannot be left unattended, bars on every window and white faces only evident during daylight hours (going to and from work, while the blacks et al sleep the day away)

    And the Birmingham Road is more like Bombay (and I’ve been there as well) – goods all over the paths and roads and parking anarchy (but you’ll never see a traffic warden – well, not unless hanging from a lamp-post)

    Funny how the bulk of the whites are now living in the real ‘Black Country’ (Netherton, Brierley Hill etc).

    Finally, of course, the Mail article misses the white flight right out of the UK. Those that remain can still be taxed to support the blacks and the jihadis but the huge numbers that have left the UK are contributing nothing, hence the declining tax take leading to the growing panic at the centre of government – where is the money going to come from to keep UK plc going? The blacks and the jihadis don’t work, the Asians, of course, have taken over all the traditional ‘cash’ businesses – corner shops, taxis, jobbing builders so that money is spirited out of the UK by the plethora of Western Union cash transfer shops, the internet and the traditional money laundering routes that exist below the radar so to speak. Shameron should be telling HMRC to get stuck into these tax evaders! It is this panic that is creating the demonisation of multi-nationals, even though they are fully tax compliant and leading to the complete dumb-f**k idea of taxing personal goods.

  109. A few thoughts on the Pryce jury case.
    This is not,in my view, about education or even intelligence but the inability to make hard decisions.
    We see it in every area of our national life difficult decisions are just put off.
    Do our political class lack academic intelligence?All those 1st class honours in PPE!!!But we are running out of energy generation capacity,our transport infrastructure is dis-functioning and welfare out of control hence the black hole in our finances.
    When we read of the failures in social work or the NHS it is often failure to do anything —to make a decision–that makes the situation worse.

  110. James102 21st, – 11:58

    “All those 1st class honours in PPE!!!”

    And those tw*ts have the gall to slag off the blessed Margaret, whose degree was in chemistry…i.e. something useful that actually exercises the faculty of analytical thought!

  112. James102, I guess the problem is that politicians are not in politics to fix anything. They are in politics to gain power, wealth and influence now and in the future. In such circumstances it is best to do nothing, since this gives greatest flexibility to pretend to be about to do something in the future. If a politician connects themselves too closely with an actual project then if it goes wrong they will lose out. It is much better to be only loosely attached to anything, and then it can easily be dropped or changed and a new direction proposed which will offer even greater potential benefits at some time in the future to the people.

    The political class do not need academic intelligence since they do not intend to solve any problems. They only require criminal cunning to ensure that they make as much money and gain as much power as they can now and in the future.

    This is why the head of the NHS is a failed communist. His ability or lack of it is irrelevant. He does not intend to achieve anything, rather to hang on as long as possible, leaping from highly paid sinecure to highly paid sinecure until his future is settled in greater comfort than most of us will ever experience. If he makes decisions then he can be more easily blamed for them. If he speaks only about what needs to be done sometime in the future by other people then he cannot fail – and can even present himelf as a guru.

  113. Peter from Maidstone
    February 21st, 2013 – 12:22
    The jury case is more about a general “cultural” problem which our political class may just reflect.
    I don’t think academic intelligence assists in solving problems outside academia otherwise we would just hand over the country and our major corporations to Oxbridge Dons—-and remember what happened when the Barrow Boys handed finance over to the Quants?
    The jury seems to have consisted of 10 members of obvious ethnic minority background and two others.Maybe the question about a wife “obeying” her husband was a result of cultural differences.
    This makes me think how you define “Peers” in “Jury of your peers”

  115. James102 12:41
    “Maybe the question about a wife “obeying” her husband was a result of cultural differences.”

    The cause would be cultural differences within the jury, not between the jury and the public at large.

    If the jury was made up of those with one culture, but a different culture to the indigenous population, and the verdict was agreed by all the jury, we would not know at all that the standards used, the social norms, were alien to us.

    As you say, would that be a peer group? Would it be justice?

    At least in this trial, there was no decisive verdict!

  116. I read Melanie Phillips’ commentary on the Vicky Pryce case non-verdict with interest, but to me, the most telling details came in a news report beside it (not written by Melanie Phillips).

    It’s at the bottom of the hyperlink (at the very bottom of this post) and its headline reads: ‘Eight women, four men… and no clue’

    It has always been easier to get aquitted in inner London courts because juries there have always been cerebrally challenged.

    The news report notes:

    “Of the eight women and four men on the Vicky Pryce jury, only two were white – the rest appeared to be of Afro-Caribbean or Asian origin.

    “At least twice, the court finished 30 minutes early because a jury member had a ‘regligious observance to keep.”

    Now connect that piece of, I suggest, crucial information, to this (from Melanie Phillips):

    ‘Bafflingly, they asked whether a wife’s religious conviction would make her feel that she had no option but to obey her husband. But since Vicky Pryce’s religious beliefs had not even been mentioned, this was clearly totally irrelevant to the case.’

    I think Melanie Phillips is being rather generous there, as well she might be.

    Because if she told the truth, she’d be howled down even more than she is.

    Everybody who goes through life wonders how they might deal with criminal chares of one sort or another.

    We have recently had a spate of cases in which Muslims have been using defences in court that, in effect, amount to no more than: ‘It’s my culture, innit?’

    Here are two such examples in which although there were convictions, the judges in both cases spared the Muslim convicts jail.

    How on earth were they allowed to put forward such disingenous arguments in mitigation as: it’s my culture, innit?

    If you put forward a cheeky argument in mitigation, the sentence is supposed to go up, not down.

    Here’s a Muslim paedophile rapist escaping jail:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268395/Adil-Rashid-Paedophile-claimed-Muslim-upbringing-meant-didnt-know-illegal-sex-girl-13.html

    Here’s a Muslim fraudster escaping jail:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2260255/Iraqi-benefit-cheat-failed-declare-35-000-savings-claiming-broken-Sharia-law-walks-free-court.html

    These cases are but the tip of the iceberg.

    The culture of Islam has a long history of raping and pillaging non-Muslims.

    Why do our courts now condone this in a de facto manner?

    That is now quite clearly the mindset of many Muslims and anyone else who thinks they might be able to play the multi-culti card – and, I suggest, what led to the behavour of Vicky Pryce’s jury: a lack of respect for traditional law.

    So it is not ‘baffling’ to me why a group of 12 people in which only two were white, would start to think about undermining the law via a bogus excuse involving religion – even though it was never used as part of Ms Pryce’s defence.

    That is the way these people think every day: ‘What can I get away with under the race and/or multi-culti card? That’s how it goes in the UK, right?’

    These immigrant communities are now so used to being taught how to challenge common sense laws by human rights groups and politicians, they think that, so long as they have the right legal card to hand anything can be circumvented.

    That really is the thinking behind these jury questions:

    ‘Equally perplexingly, they asked whether the defendant had an obligation to present a defence. In reply, the judge reminded them he had told them that the defendant did not have to prove anything at all.

    ‘Most extraordinary of all, they asked whether they could reach a verdict based on a reason that was not presented in court and had no facts or evidence to support it.’

    I don’t think it perplexing at all. I just think they’ve been taught to have no respect for the law by the human rights loons and think we now live in a world where anyone can just say anything and if the argument ticks the right politically correct box they can get away with it.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2282001/Do-need-IQ-TESTS-juries-Vicky-Pryce-trial-exposed-breathtaking-level-ignorance-stupidity.html

  117. Charlotte
    February 21st, 2013 – 13:16
    Which is why I don’t think it has anything to do with IQ,which itself seems to measure academic ability rather than other forms of intelligence.
    A multicultural society may not allow for a jury of peers, as there will not be a common set of values.It is possible that members of the jury believed a wife had a religious duty to obey her husband even if this was contrary to the (secular)law of the nation they were living in.

  118. By the way has anyone an explanation as to why the batch of would be suicide bombers convicted earlier were not charged with treason?

  119. “…According to Obama, in one of his interminable speeches which all run together and sound the same, there really isn’t a war, just a mission, and the old mission is now becoming a new sort of mission, and the missions, all of them, whether in Afghanistan or Iraq, have been successful which is why we are wrapping them up, except that we aren’t really. And that’s about as clear as the message from the big white building with the neatly mowed lawn out front gets, except for the part about how its occupant singlehandedly parachuted into Pakistan, killed Bin Laden, and then stopped off for some curry and a humanitarian award…”

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/after-afghanistan.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+FromNyToIsraelSultanRevealsTheStoriesBehindTheNews+%28from+NY+to+Israel+Sultan+Reveals+The+Stories+Behind+the+News%29

  120. Exactly, James102.

    It was extremely difficult to get that crucial piece of information about the jury.

    I have not seen it anywhere else in the heavyweight media.

    And even then you have to use your knowledge of religion to work out what’s going on.

    I know of only one religion that has prayer rooms installed in prisons and police stations, law courts and so on, so it may well have been a Buddhist who asked for this, but something tells me that the statisitical likelihood of it having been a follower of ‘the religion of peace’ is somewhat more likely:

    “At least twice, the court finished 30 minutes early because a jury member had a ‘regligious observance to keep.”

    Indeed, the court may have had to rise early when it had run out witnesses on other days, sparing the judge the need to say in open court that there were ‘religious observances’ going on on other days too.

    I know there was a prolonged legal battle before a jury was sworn in, during which Chris Huhne tried to get the whole case dismissed on a technicality (who does he think he is – Denis McShane?), but once he had lost that legal argument and pleaded guilty, it was a very short jury trial once the jury had been empanelled.

    This entire case has been affected by this jury and yet we’re either not being told about it or we’re being fed stuff about IQs.

    It is yet again another day in which the mainstream media glorify in distortions and half truths.

  121. James102
    February 21st, 2013 – 13:41

    By the way has anyone an explanation as to why the batch of would be suicide bombers convicted earlier were not charged with treason?
    Easy, James, because they are bloody ragheads!

  122. Charlotte

    If I didn’t know that Melanie would not be so devious, I might suspect that you are indeed she, having another crack at the issue using a sobriquet and expanding her essay into areas verboten under her current DM obermeister. 🙂

    Anyway, I’m sure she’ll be grateful for your support. You will perhaps also enjoy Alexander Boot’s analysis of the non-verdict in this case. Particularly his last sentence: ” ‘O tempora O morons’ – as Cicero almost said.”

    Wonderful!

    I wish I had said that, too.

    http://alexanderboot.com/content/what-pryce-jury-trial

  123. Anne Wotana Kaye 1
    February 21st, 2013 – 15:04
    Treason could of course be used on other high profile people that don’t put rags on their heads!

  124. Frank P
    February 21st, 2013 – 15:32
    The more that comes out about the make-up of this jury the less it seems to be about IQ deficiency and the more cultural incompatibility.
    If you believe a wife has a religious duty to obey her husband then you would consider it a defense.

  125. James 102: It has concerned me for some-time that we have in London the Central Criminal Court [Old Bailey].This deals with crimes not only from central London but major cases from around England and Wales.Yet the jury-list is based on the electoral roles for London(I don’t know what the boundaries of this are.)I’ve noticed there are a great many out-landers in London;this is confirmed by the latest census which puts the indigenous in a minority.So we have on the electoral roles Commonwealth Citizens and EU `citizens`(the latter allowed to vote in local elections,but I don’t know if allowed to serve on juries).This obviously presents problems with people who are not of our culture[as you will observe].

  126. James102
    February 21st, 2013 – 15:56

    Anne Wotana Kaye 1
    February 21st, 2013 – 15:04
    Treason could of course be used on other high profile people that don’t put rags on their heads!
    ======
    Correct. But, most of the high profile people, i.e. Cameron, Galloway, et al are traitors. Also, who would judge and sentence them when most of the judiciary are craven traitors?

  128. “Jury of your peers”

    Ah, yes. It would be nice to be able to be sure of one of those.

  130. Radford NG
    February 21st, 2013 – 16:06
    Yes the Pryce trial may have opened up yet another problem with multiculturalism.
    Can a jury that does not share the majority’s cultural values like say the rights of women be considered a “jury of your peers”?

  131. James102 21st, – 17:06

    “Gerry Adams comes to mind.”

    A man after me own mind (such as it is 🙂 ).

  132. 600,000 move out of london. Tells you a lot about our wonderful
    Vibrant multicultural society doesn’t it.

  133. What really pisses me off is listening to news reports of the latest 3 muslims found guilty of wanting to blow us up and hearing moderate Reasonable non judgemental social worker tones explaining what they were planning to do.
    This wasent having no car insurance , we expect that.
    The bastards wanted to kill as many of us as possible
    Put some passion in your voice , they are the enemy .

  134. The law seems to be that jurors can be any Commonwealth citizen who has lived here 5 years or more. So it would be entirely possible to have jury of 12 Pakistanis, none of whom were British citizens. And even more possible to have a jury none of whom had been born here.

    But of course even some of the Muslims born here wish to cause as much harm and death as possible.

  137. James102
    February 21st, 2013 – 17:06
    Yes, James. The horrible thing is that I can make a list of high profile traitors, and am scratching my head ti think of high profile good citizens.

  138. It is obviously necessary for Britain to have Police and Security services to monitor the population to detect the organisation of terrorist atrocities. They seem (so far) to be making a fair effort at it – though not enough to have completely prevented such cases.

    But how long can they continue to be even as moderately effective? How sure can we even be that the Police and Security services have not – in conformity with Political Correctness – already recruited some of the actual enemy?

    When Britain’s capital city has a population where indigenous British people have become a minority, it seems to me that the chances of such infiltration must have grown even more.

    That raises the question – what are the chances of another successfull mass atrocity being perpetrated?

    I think that it is becoming more and more inevitable that one – and eventually more – will slip through the net undetected – or, as in Pakistan – will pass through the net because a hole has been cut in the mesh and the terrorists told where the hole is or the hole has even been cut exactly where the terrorists have directed.

    And then what will follow?

  139. Herbert Thornton-20.27

    But if London and indeed the rest of the UK is now well on its way to being part of the Caliphate and the authorities are avowedly willing to be complaisant in achieving that objective, what discernible purpose and benefit can a little jihadism, ‘things, going bang in the night’, actually serve?

    More haste, less speed…as Claiment Choudary might say.

    Still, pour encourager nous autres, I suppose…

  142. Noa 20.53
    It would be nice to think so.
    A bit of boom and bust directly on him would cheer us all up.

  144. Just a thought about using treason charges again,it would mean being able to charge these people much earlier. At the moment they seem to need to be constructing explosives before they are arrested, using treason would allow the preparation to be used and even going for initial training.
    Of course certain behavior of establishment types could also be brought into question ,we have never been given the names of Britons who worked for our (now) allies such as Czechoslovakia,Poland Eastern Germany…

  145. Noa @ 21.25 – that really is the saddest post I’ve read in a long time.

    Even if anyone tries to set up any coherent opposition in the UK, the establishment will snuff it out with smears and undercover infiltraitors.

    In the end, I think a lot will have to be lost before anything will be gained.

    People can do their bit, boycott the mainstream parties – who help engineer the downfall of smaller parties, refuse to pay for mainstream media – who smear political newcomers to retain the political cartel – boycott multi-nationals with strong halal and sharia product links (they keep a lot of this quiet, but you can find out on the internet) and just do your bit wherever you can.

    And use whatever comes to hand: vote for Scottish independence if you are in Scotland.

    If another alternative politcal party comes along – good luck to them. Until then, all that remains is UKIP or breaking up the political cartel with an independent Scotland (that’s what really terrifies LibLabCon and their media).

    That post and the one with the Rochdale councillors show just how desperate the UK is – and how much worse it’s going to get.

  146. Noa (21 Feb 20:41)

    You ask what discernible purpose & benefit a few more explosions would serve. I can’t say that I take much comfort in our thinking like that.

    I think that the answer to your question depends not on how you or I would assess “purpose and benefit” but on how the jihadists would assess it.

    For example, I should think that the Jihadists would regard the blowing up of a congregation-packed Synagogue, both as a Good Thing in itself – and as an act guaranteeing a reward in the afterlife.

  148. Noa (21 Feb 23:24) –

    The irony didn’t escape me at all – I very much relished it. It so accurately expresses Quisling nature of the Establishment in this time of triumphalist Islamic war being waged against the British people.

  149. Britain’s iconic edifice, St Paul’s Cathedral was used as the venue for this week’s hour of Agitprop – QT (Quislings and Traitors). If, after watching it, anyone is still hopeful that there may still a future for the ‘United Kingdom’, then I’ll have some of what you’re taking.

    Judging by the staff vicar on the panel, I assume that the most famous survivor of the Blitz will soon become a regular venue for the homowedding phenomenon. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Diane Fatbot get’s a regular gig spouting her rants from the pulpit. I often wonder why Peter Hitchins puts himself through the ordeal of casting pearls before swine. As for the audience? Representative of city of counter-culture I suppose.

    As one of the components of the ‘white flight’ from the metropolis I once loved, I suppose I’m partly to blame. But it’s probably just as well I did; had I stayed I would probably have been banged-up in a Category A by now. Up with that I could not have put, as Tarzan, one of the other panellists would put it. What an obnoxious, semi-senile old fart that waffling wanker is. G

  150. lorifying the multiculti melange of the Metropolis from the safety of his 18th Century pile and plastic arboretum in Thenford, Northants. Fucking arriviste! Made much of his seed- corn by buying and selling Bayswater -er- improperties.

  151. I’m surprised he didn’t adopt the title Baron Bollocks of Bayswater; it would have been more fitting than the moniker he now sports.

  153. This site is like walking on treacle at the moment Peter; slow and sticky. Is there a problem? It cut the first of my posts today in half and posted the second half long after I had pressed the submit button. Perhaps it’s my pc – I got well and truly hacked the day before yesterday. Anyone else had probs? I’m not getting similar problems on other blogs.

  156. Frank P

    You got me looking through his wikipigraphy. The following seems to give the flavour of the man

    “… After graduating with a second-class degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics,[… described by his own tutor as “a great and undeserved triumph”, he was permitted to stay on for an extra term to serve as President of the Oxford Union for Michaelmas term 1954 having been elected with the assistance of leading Oxford socialists Anthony Howard and Jeremy Isaacs.

    After graduating he built up a property business in partnership with his Oxford friend Ian Josephs. With financial support from both of their families they started with a boarding house in Clanricarde Gardens and progressed to various other properties in the Bayswater area. He trained as an accountant but after failing his accountancy exams in 1958… could no longer avoid conscription into National Service.

    Heseltine later admitted to admiring the military as his father, who died in 1957,… had been a Lieutenant-Colonel in the Royal Engineers in the Second World War and active in the Territorial Army thereafter. Heseltine felt that his business career was too important to be disrupted although he and his father took the precaution of arranging interviews to increase his chances of attaining an officer’s commission in case he had to serve. Heseltine had been lucky not to be called up for the Korean War in the early 1950s or the Suez Crisis in 1956 but in the final years of National Service, already due for abolition by 1960, an effort was made to call up men who had so far managed to postpone service. Despite having almost reached the newly reduced maximum call-up age of twenty-six, Heseltine was conscripted in January 1959, becoming a Second Lieutenant in the Welsh Guards. Heseltine left the Guards to contest the General Election that year; according to Ian Josephs this had been his plan from the start, and he was exempted on business grounds from the remaining sixteen months of service. During the 1980s his habit of wearing a Guards regimental tie, sometimes incorrectly tied with a red stripe across the knot, was the subject of much acerbic comment from military figures and from older MPs with extensive war records. Crick estimated that he must have worn the tie on more days than he actually served in the Guards….”

    Possibly contributed by a Thatcherite.

  157. Herbert Thornton @ 1:38

    “…They plotted to …. attach knives to cars and drive them into crowds…”

    Finally, British culture is having an effect on our muslim brothers: Boadicea.

  158. The collapse of the Pryce trial due to the incompetence of the jurors hardly comes as a surprise. The system is so screwed that the only the elderly, the unemployed or the really stupid actually serve.

    Certainly, no-one who earns their living in the private sector would risk getting involved – an open-ended commitment to go personally bankrupt if you get lumbered with a complex or lengthy trial.

    Twice I was called. The first time I had recently started a new job and my employer, being French, had no intention of losing a senior employee for an indeterminate period. They wrote to the Court and the summons was ‘deferred’.

    Around 18 months later, I was summoned again. At that stage, I had just started my own business and, after I’d stopped laughing when they told me how much a day they would pay as ‘expenses’, I pointed out it wouldn’t pay my property taxes, let alone my mortgage, school fees or food bill even. As a self-employed person, I could be removed from the list of potential jurors if I wished. Too damn right I wished!

    Thus, effectively, those that are affected by crime and, dare I say, have a natural tendency to the political right and might reasonably be accused of forming the ‘flog-em-and-hang-em’ brigade are excluded from the jury system.

    Here’s a suggestion. How about we have professional jurors, with law or business degrees, voted into the role for a fixed term, say 4 years. Membership of any political party, having attended a Common Purpose course, having a criminal conviction or not being a British national for a minimum of 10 years automatically excludes you.

    Bit like Magistrates really, just without the political correctness.

    By the way, if you are called and don’t want to play, just make sure you tell the following joke in earshot of the Usher.

    “What do you call a foreigner in the Courtroom?”

    The defendant.

    You’ll be excused.

  159. Clear Memories

    It would be simpler to adopt the system in the Philippines, which I have been informed operates on the principle of ‘guilty until proven rich’.

  160. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4

    I guess its unlikely that any Social Worker reads this site, as most here have some degree of intelligence. But in the unlikely event one passes this way, perhaps they might explain why they are not removing children from all Muslim parents?

    Would they allow Muslims to adopt? Or is UKIP’s stance classed as more serious than teaching children to hate?

  161. Frank P. The site seems OK here and now. It is on a shared server so it can run slow if there is a problem but I haven’t noticed it. My own PC seems to be doing everything slowly at the moment as well. We may have been infected by a leftist-cyber unit.

  162. Today, in the Times: The brightest English ten-year-olds do almost as well in maths as their Far Eastern counterparts, but have fallen two years behind by the time they take their GCSEs, a study has found.

    As Mathematics is such an important subject and one that is required for all Engineering, nearly all Science (not Climate ‘Science’ 🙂 and Real World Economics, it does indicate that there is something wrong with our education system, in teaching Mathematics at least!

    If my Arithmetic is correct, with GCSEs being taken at 16, it means that Far Eastern children complete SIX years worth of Mathematics in the same time that ours complete FOUR years worth. That is, they have done an extra 50% or, for those Mathematically challenged, they have done half as much again!

    We are talking about the brightest in the class, so it will have a greater impact on the number and quality of our wealth producing professionals in years to come than any other sector.

  163. Littlejohn on the jury system following the Vicky Pryce debacle:

    “…To be honest, I preferred Tony Hancock’s send-up two years later, in which he seeks to persuade his fellow jurors to return a ‘not guilty’ verdict on a suspected jewel thief. ‘Does Magna Carta mean nothing to you? Did she die in vain?’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2282525/After-farce-Huhne-wish-hed-pleaded-guilty-too.html#ixzz2LcV5p5ZJ
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  164. With the exception of Peter Hitchens, last night’s QT panel were a disgrace. Beautiful, pristine, civilised St Paul’s was polluted by the presence of that collection of baboons and clowns. ‘Tarzan’ was so out of his tree that he even received and accepted a mobile phone call from his Jane, and Fatty Ass Abbott wore an ill-fitting wig and orange lipstick, resembling a backstreet hooker. The rest of the panel were their usual selves, ugh! Poor St Paul’s, it survived the assaults of Word War II bombers, can it also survive the obscenities of contemporary British high profile life?

  165. Clear Memories 02:11 “How about we have professional jurors, with law or business degrees, voted into the role for a fixed term, say 4 years.

    It is having an awareness of responsibility and the knowing the importance of continuity, yet still valuing freedom that is needed.

    Education and training is no substitute for common sense! I am tempted to say, “especially those with law or business degrees”, but then realise that it is true with most, if not all, subjects that can be read at university. And there are also those, without a degree, but with the right qualities, who have gone into an apprenticeship, as they used to, ironically, in law and business.

    Look at the public sector for examples of ‘academic’ stupidity. We have certainly lost the awareness of responsibility there! Staffordshire hospitals, PFI, Education; they are filled with highly educated people with no sense of responsibility. Let’s try an experiment here, and another there, and then I can bu99er off with a large pension. And all the while, business people are vilified for even thinking of taking wealth from their family business to provide a pension.

    Anyway, returning to juries, the old selection process of who could vote, being a land owner, would be a good starting point or anyone who had the equivalent invested in the UK.

    The whole point of a jury is that it is made up of ones peers, peers who are part of the same community. If there are cultural problems, and it looks like there are, then I think we need to sort them out. To ignore signs of an underlying problem is asking for trouble, and leaving them to fester will only mean an even bigger mess later on.

  166. Robert C “The whole point of a jury is that it is made up of ones peers ….”

    Surely then, I deserve the right to be judged by literate, intelligent white people, people (my peers) with the same background and ethics? I should have the absolute right not to be judged by Muslims who detest all I believe in (by their own admission) or blacks (who blame all whites for their own intrinsic failures)?

    As it stands, the jury system no longer works.

  167. Clear Memories February 22nd, 2013 – 10:52

    “Surely then, I deserve the right to be judged by literate, intelligent white people, people (my peers) with the same background and ethics? I should have the absolute right not to be judged by Muslims who detest all I believe in (by their own admission) or blacks (who blame all whites for their own intrinsic failures)?”
    “As it stands, the jury system no longer works.”

    In my opinion you are correct in every particular, your peer, my peer is and can only be ‘A person who is of equal standing with another in a group’, but in this multi-cultural madness one is not allowed to state the bleeding obvious.

    In last nights Question Time Peter Hitchens made a valiant attempt to point out where and when the jury system started to break down but with a Marxist clergyman an ultra wet old Tory, the pompous prig Vince (I can dance) Cable representing the militant tendency of the LibDems and that horrendous gobshite Diane Abbott on the panel he was in effect pissing into the wind.

  168. Clear Memories.
    I do not watch Question Tme as my blood pressure could not stand it, nor could my wallet. as I would feel compelled to chuck a brick at the tele every time it was on. I agree with all you have said on this subject, and God help us all.

  169. Clear Memories 10:52 “Surely then, I deserve …”

    You do! And, you are correct, in certain parts of the country “as it stands, the jury system no longer works”.

    My point is that adapting the jury system will hide the real problem. The real problem is that while you and I, the rest of the CHW and some others understand this, those in government, the BBC, the Arts and elsewhere are either unaware or are in denial about it.

    It is not an ‘opinion’ thing either! For example, a society provides national identity for its members, a group with common cultural and historical heritage, yet we are supposed to live in a multi-cultural society.

    It is complete gibberish!

    People are becoming powerful because they can redefine words for us: ‘investment’, ‘green’, ‘climate scientist’, ‘family’, parent A and parent B, and open and (the BBC) transparent.

    Our nation has become an economic unit, and as a result we have lost an important part of what it is to be a nation. We can hide the problems, by redefining words such as justice, community and marriage until we become unrecognisable and confused, or we can confront the problems when ever they appear.

    We need to avoid altering the current system until more recognise that we have a problem.

  170. David Ossitt 11:14 “… Marxist clergyman …”
    Pardon?

    I can believe the believable: an ultra wet old Tory, the pompous prig Vince (I can dance) Cable representing the militant tendency of the LibDems and that horrendous gobshite Diane Abbott.

    Ah, I suppose being a clergyman is only a job, and one doesn’t have to be a Christian to be a clergyman, or believe in The Risen Christ to be a bishop (CoE).

  171. Robert C, you, may well be right but the longer the system remains broken, the more deserving criminals will escape justice whilst those deserving of justice will continue to suffer.

    Somebody, soon, will recognise the true meaning of the word ‘peer’. Hopefully it will be a member of one of the persecuted minorities and something will be done. Because sweet FA will change whilst it is the white majority that continues to suffer.

    For me, literally, it is the end of the day. I bid you goodnight.

  172. The Littlejohn piece is excellent, but he too can only hint at the role ‘multi-culti’ played in all this.

    One of the things I like about the British jury system is that if you get an intelligent jury, they can return what is termed in law a ‘perverse’ verdict.

    In other words, they can be directed by the judge that the defence they have heard has no basis in law and can still return a not-guilty verdict if they think the law is being an ass.

    I have seen several of those in my lifetime and it was a joy to see the look on the judge’s face as the jury ignored the law and instead delivered justice when there had plainly been a spiteful prosecution.

    Good for dealing with spiteful ‘hate crime’ prosecutions.

    It would be hard for anyone to be lower in my estimation than Diane Abbot. She is down there with George Galloway in my book, but then I forget about people like ‘Lord’ Hesletine.

    Heseltine really is pure, vile scum.

    His love of Europe and the euro has always only and ever been about his selfish self self.

    He just wants a never-ending stream of cheap labour for him and his patrician chums and anyone outside the safety of his electric gates can go swing.

    Heseltine is producing all sorts of bilgy reports for this government on growth and yet his own son is forced to deny that their bank (RBS) asked Heseltine senior to stand down because of what daddy did with the company credit card.

    Point after point is put to his son in this interview and it’s all not true, it’s all not true.

    He wouldn’t have picked up the politican’s knack for telling the truth off daddy, would he?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/24/rupert-heseltine-haymarket-media-group

    Heseltine is supposed to be getting us out of economic doo doo with his reports? I don’t think so.

    As for Abbot, she shows Labour’s positioning for the next election. They cannot admit white flight because it brings their policy on mass immigration on to the radar and, as Andrew Neather will tell you, it’s supposed to be off the radar.

    So it’s just class movement, says Diane. Not white flight.

    I know many people who have fled the UK’s cities and class has nothing to do with it.

    What a bag of venom that woman is.

  173. Forgive my ignorance, this is a serious question. If Briitish law states that one should be tried by one’s peers, then cannot one object to the jury selected and demand a jury really composed of one’s peers? I have seen this situation enacted in films, but can one actually demand it?

  174. Clear Memories 11:45 “For me, literally, it is the end of the day.”
    Don’t give up, see below! We need to bring the fight to where it will have most effect.

    Anne Wotana Kaye 1 11:47 “If British law states …”
    I agree. I think that, maybe depending on the case, one could object to the jury selected and demand a jury really composed of one’s peers, and expect a positive outcome even if, on the first few occasions, there was more publicity than a change of course. Look at how our culture has been changed: incrementally.

  175. Clear Memories 11:45 “… whilst those deserving of justice will continue to suffer”

    I forgot to mention that I think that we will suffer anyway, such is the situation. The decision to make is, what sort of change to you want.

  176. RobertC
    February 22nd, 2013 – 11:56
    Thanks. I do wish somebody would demand a true jury of their peers. Trouble is, probably only the moslem fundamentalists would do it and get away with it!

  177. RobertC-10.23hrs

    “…The whole point of a jury is that it is made up of ones peers, peers who are part of the same community. If there are cultural problems, and it looks like there are, then I think we need to sort them out. To ignore signs of an underlying problem is asking for trouble, and leaving them to fester will only mean an even bigger mess later on.”

    We are looking at this question of the composition of juries from entirely the wrong perspective. If London now has a non-white majority, and the percentage of defendants in criminal trials is proportionately much greater than that, it is not the Pryce jury that is unrepresentative, but the fact that the trial is of a white rather than an ethnic defendant.
    Mass immigration is no just damaging our social services and our now non-working classes, its diminishing our native criminal population and standing as well.

    “Overall, there were more arrests per 1,000 population of each BME group (except for
    Chinese or Other) than for people of White ethnicity in 2009/10. Per 1,000
    population, Black persons were arrested 3.3 times more than White people, and
    those from the Mixed ethnic group 2.3 times more…”

    http://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/statistics/mojstats/stats-race-cjs-2010.pdf

    This very change is also the basis for the argument that, as our population base is changed by the government, so must our justice and judicial systems adopt accordingly.
    In the enforcement element of the Justice system diversity has brought us institutional corruption on Indian mores, as exemplified by Kipper of the Yard Commander Ali Dizaei. One has no doubt that, as a result of ‘diversity’, the Macpherson Report’s excoriated ‘institutional racism is now being replaced by a yet to be exposed, sub continental ‘institutional corruption.

    The trial element of the justice system is in dire need of similar reform. Why should muslim criminals for example, be exposed to the gross unfairness of the Common Law system, or what remains of it, when that system so singularly fails to recognise the inherent rights of the Faithful over the Infidel?
    Sharia, quite properly, discriminates in favour of its own. And it could usefully see off those drunks, cross dressers and tarts hanging around the back of the mosque too…

    Sharia trials would certainly ensure justice was done to those devout muslims wrongly accused of sexually debauching those kuffir kids in the post industrial townships. Why it would be the kuffir who would then, rightfully, be on trial, convicted and punished in accordance with allah’s laws

    Similarly, why should devout Africans of non Christian persuasion be criminally penalised for practicing a little domestic magic with the body parts of evil children, their availability simply the inadvertent, at worst maladroit consequence of a bad exorcism?

    No, its not the jury that’s out of kilter in the Pryce trial. It’s having a horribly white British defendant. One, furthermore, whose prosecuting barrister who didn’t explain the fundament point that, in post Christian, equalities driven Britain, a woman is not a chattel and is not bound to obey her husband’s commands. This concept is obviously at odds with the beliefs and practices of some of the jurors, who probably operate on a practice of male superiority once entirely familiar to a tyrannical Victorian husband, but now anathema to our new metro-sexual cultural values.

    Similarly

  178. Listening to “You and Yours” on Radio 4, the dreadful standard of hospital food was discussed. Sometimes, returning to the past is not a negative event and can be positively good. I was both a patient and a nurse in the 1950s. We moaned about the food, but it was nourishing and plentiful. Hospitals employed not only their own cleaners and orderlies, but cooks and catering staff. The all-powerful Matron delegated the feeding of the patient to the Catering Officer, who was responsible for the quality and cleanliness of the food. Hospitals had their own kitchens, none of this frozen rubbish, heated in microwaves and distributed to the unfortunate diners. Today, like everything else, the catering is farmed out to agencies and private companies. The procurement departments of the hospitals are run by jobsworthies, and more interested in economic advantages than actual nourishment for vulnerable people. Unfortunately, some of the jobsworthies are not so worthy, and a lot of dodgy practices goes on! If each hospital ran its own kitchens, they would be responsible for the food served, and patients could only benefit and get well quicker by having meals they could actually eat. Permanent staff employed by the hospital would have far more commitment to doing a good job than the agency workers, and everybody involved would benefit.

  179. AWK RE your post above – can’t see the time you posted because the sun is glaring onto my computer screen and I can barely see it … first post I have read today and it augurs well for the quality of posting this morning.

  180. Verity
    February 22nd, 2013 – 13:52
    Thanks, pal
    but seriously get some cheap plastic venetian blinds. Harsh sunlight can ruin your eyesight.

  181. AWK @1000

    Seeing those long shots of St Paul’s on QT last night with beautiful walls encasing that malignant crew, reminded me of nothing less than a tooth with caries, pristine white outside but rotten to the core in the middle.

  182. Clear Memories – The jury system no longer works because a may no longer be made up of one’s peers … that is an excellent point. Can you imagine how the heart would plummet if one saw a burqa or a man clad in a tablecloth and a perky little white cotton hat on one’s jury? You are correct to note that they will not be judging by comjmon British standards. British people standing trial should not be subject to juries who judge by the dingbat rules imposed on them by their epileptic desert”prophet” 1800 hundred years ago, or when ever it was he slithered about the desert.

    AWK again .. your post directly above is also perspecaious and hits the nail on the head. Hospitals, of all places, should be self-contained little universes with a hawk-eyed matron overseeing all areas of its operations. This should involve a kitchen with the fear of God put into it in the case of an eagel-eyed matron detecting laziness or inadequacy. The matron should have the power to hire and fire – on grounds of patient welfare and wellbeing – -kitchen staff.

  184. Techie alert – help!

    This window just came up on my screen, which to me indicates just how vulnerable we all are to invasion by interested parties. What it shows is that at least five entities (and probably infinitely more) can enter your rig ad lib. So presumably we’re all well and truly cattled as a fighting force in the culture war if I when they decide to silence the intertubes:

    >To make Chrome even faster, we’ve automatically disabled some extensions that may have been added without your knowledge:

    . AppGraffiti – Free Facebook Layouts
    . Norton ID Protection
    . Real player HTML5Video Down load extension
    . Skype click to call
    . Norton ID Protection

    You can always enable or disable any extension in the extension settings page.

    [ Ext.Settings] [Oh Great!] (click options)<

    What do you geeks recommend?

  185. Apart, that is, from suggestiing that I throw the feckin’ thing through the window and take up indoor bowls instead.

  186. Hexhamgeezer (14:03)

    Spot on – a whited sepulchre indeed – at least for one evening and given the cut of the gib of the vicar – for many evenings to come!

    And an insult to the men and women who save it from this (the 70th Anniversary today; so last night’s choice of venue was a double – nay, exponential to the 70th point, insult):

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342305/The-Blitzs-iconic-image-On-70th-anniversary-The-Mail-tells-story-picture-St-Pauls.html

  187. Hi Frank, you do need to keep an eye on what is installed as an Add on into your browser every now and again. I keep clearing mine out. It would be entirely possible for an agency to try to implement some sort of browser add on to see what we are doing and saying.

    For my own security, I run Comodo Firewall (free), Avira Antivirus (free) and SuperAntiSpyware (free). You can also add Anonymox (free) to your browser and this hides your IP address and allows you to access sites as if you were living in another country. So you could access a US newspaper site (for instance) if you had to have a local IP address to do so – (or other such situations).

    I am expecting that in future I will host websites out of the UK, and access them with encrypted and anonymised connections.

  189. I laughed out loud at Question Time last night, thinking it perfectly represented the parlous state of this country.

    With one Labour panellist and three others who might as well have been we were treated to four sets of socialist opinion and only one of any sense. I bet that dog-collared spud on the end is another Gramsci marcher too, assigned to “progress” the CofE.

  190. So if seems this ‘blade runner’ killer is shaping up to be the white O.J. Simpson.

    All that is needed is a defense based on ;’He’s only being persucuted because of his white skin!’
    Then we have a perfect match.

    How the world turns.

  191. “A jury of one’s peers”

    Perhaps we should consider the case of an ethnic minority defendant, somewhere down in the ‘Smoke’. After the permitted number of challenges, they could end up with a “jury of their peers”. But I would be concerned that said ‘peers’, aggrieved that the police and judiciary are predominantly run by honkies, would be predisposed to acquit, no matter how overwhelming the evidence against the defendant.

    Incidentally, it has started to appear to me that a number of high profile cases here in the northeast are tried in courts distant from the defendant’s usual stamping grounds, e.g. Tyneside cases heard on Teesside or Sunderland, Cumbrian cases heard on Tyneside and vice versa. If this is true, (and I admit it may only be an impression that has built up in my mind over the last five years or so) it appears to me that the CPS is itself trying to ‘stack’ juries so that they don’t have to contend with potential jurors that may be in fear of (or sympathy with) the defendant.

  192. Ostrich (O) 16.18hrs

    Incidentally, it has started to appear to me that a number of high profile cases here in the northeast are tried in courts distant from the defendant’s usual stamping grounds, e.g. Tyneside cases heard on Teesside or Sunderland, Cumbrian cases heard on Tyneside and vice versa….it appears to me that the CPS is itself trying to ‘stack’ juries so that they don’t have to contend with potential jurors that may be in fear of (or sympathy with) the defendant.”

    An astute observation. For two weeks my mornings and early evenings have been enlivened by the Lancashire Constabulary Police helicopter and the wail of sirens as the repulsive Dale Cregan (who is accused of murdering two female police officers in Manchester), and friends are escorted to and from Preston Crown Court from whatever place they are being held.
    Presumably there is a real concern that they would nobble a jury on their own patch.

  193. My wife had a day off so we spent the morning in Bluewater. Mostly I was following her around clothes shops, and it was very difficult for me because I had left my smartphone at home and so could not access the internet or email at all for about 4 hours!!!!!!!

    I did get to a bookshop and treated myself to:

    Politics and the English Language – George Orwell
    Brave New World Revisited – Aldous Huxley
    The End of Politics – Douglas Carswell
    You Can’t Read This Book – Nick Cohen

    In one way or another they all throw some light on our present situation. I cannot recommend George Orwell’s essay too highly. But C.S. Lewis also wrote a brilliant essay on the misuse of English to subvert virtue, its called The Abolition of Man.

    C.S. Lewis is here… http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/lewis/abolition1.htm

    and Orwell is here … http://iis.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/Politics_%26_English_language.pdf

    I recommend them wholeheartedly.

  194. Well-wisher.

    “I bet that dog-collared spud on the end is another Gramsci marcher too, assigned to “progress” the CofE.”

    I think that you will find that he was the one that welcomed all of those low life who camped out for weeks leaving their filth all over the place; I do believe he was encouraged to resign his position because of this.

  195. Julia Gilliard goes to a primary school to talk to the kids and to get a little PR. After her talk she offers an opportunity for question time.
    One little boy puts up his hand and she asks him his name.

    “Stanley,” responds the little boy.

    “And what is your question, Stanley?”

    “I have 4 questions:
    Why did you bring in a carbon tax when Australians didn’t vote for it?
    Second, why are you Prime minister when the Liberal Party got more votes?
    Third, weren’t you a communist at university?
    Fourth, why are you so worried about gay-marriage when you are obviously a lesbian?

    Just then, the bell rings for recess. Julia informs the kiddies that they will continue after recess.

    When they resume Julia says, “OK, where were we? Oh, that’s right: question time. Who has a question?”

    Another little boy puts up his hand. Julia points him out and asks him his name.

    “Steve,” he responds.

    “And what is your question, Steve?”

    Actually, I have 6 questions.
    Why did you bring in a carbon tax when Australians didn’t vote for it?
    Why are you Prime minister when Tony Abbott got more votes?
    Third, weren’t you a communist at university?
    Fourth, why are you so worried about gay-marriage when you are obviously a lesbian?
    Fifth, why did the recess bell go off 20 minutes early?
    And sixth, what the feck happened to Stanley?”

  196. A friend of mine once got a jury summons which would have entailed him being away from business at a crucial period in its development. I suggested that when he return it he pointed out that he was anxious to serve on a jury as many of his friends were police officers and that he was anxious to help them and their colleagues to convict the detritus that they had to deal with on a daily basis and that in his opinion too many people were being let off by stupid juries.
    He welcomed the chance to rectify that.

    All of which was true of course, so he did, but obviously this was not to the liking of the Jury Service administrators as they informed him that he would no longer be required. Now there’s justice for you. Well – isn’t it, though probably in a distorted sort of way?

  197. Ostrich (occasionally) and Noa – How odd. That ploy reveals an intelligence and will that I didn’t know still existed in the British justice system.

  200. Noa 12:13 “We are looking at this question of the composition of juries ….”

    All your questions are valid and need to be discussed at large so that everyone understands what is happening and what options are available. The indigenous population are only just beginning to understand what has happened in the last fifteen years, so the forces of change have had a free ride and the fact that the BBC have been able to trumpet this has made normal discussion nearly impossible.

    In a week’s time, we will have some idea about how much Eastleigh understands.

  201. Telegraph: German president of the European Parliament Martin Schulz has urged Italians not to vote for Silvio Berlusconi in this weekend’s general election.

    It’s surprising that they are letting Italy have an election.

  202. Spectator debate:Farage v Giscard d’Estaing;”Britain’s future lies outside the EU”. Royal Institution,14 March:£26.[events@spectator.co.uk]

  207. Malfleur 00.55:

    I have this sentimental idea that students ( and anyone else of that age) should be free thinkers and enthusiastic supporters of everyone’s right to say what they they want. So your link to the story of Essex University’s hegemony of sheep is depressing, though not surprising.
    However, since my student years are far in the past, I am encouraged by the realisation that clear thinkers are mainly people who, like me, will proffer as proof of age, their bus pass.

  209. Verity ;I just discover the text here can be increased 150% or more by pressing the right buttons making it easier to read.

  211. ……”Judgement of ones peers”;…..sounds good but it may lead to `yardy gangsters` being judged by their own :and also pimps of `pakistani heritage`[as a cupable ex-home secretary now calls them]………There is an historical link here.According to “1066 and all that” Becket opposed Henry II because he said that clergy-men accused of rape and murder should only be judged by fellow clergy as these would have a better understanding of that kind of thing.

  212. W O-U: On Google Chrome on the top right there are 3 black lines one above the other;click on these and a box comes up with a `ZOOM` facility.Other systems have simular devices…..some times signified by a magnifying glass symbol.

  213. Anne Wotana Kaye 1
    February 22nd, 2013 – 12:43
    Ploughing on in entirely un-politically correct mode, as I see it the problem with the diseases which afflict our hospitals can be summarised thus: if one insists on employing Third-World cleaners, one is guaranteed Third-World cleanliness, i.e. very little, if any!

  214. ArchiePonsonby
    February 23rd, 2013 – 09:03
    The following refers to the employers, not the poor, ignorant agency-slaves:
    If you pay peanuts you get monkeys!

  215. Problem is we got a right barrow load of monkeys at the top [including politics and banking] payed with golden peanuts……We had a Director of Social Services [David R. White–anybody know him?] involved in a child sex scandal.It was so notorious he and the Chairwoman of Social Services were called down to London to be personally carpeted by the Minister,Virginia Bottomly(?). He resigned and was promptly given a NHS job in East Anglia at a higher salary on the excuse he wouldn’t be dealing with children! So they thus look after each other.

  216. Radford NG
    February 23rd, 2013 – 09:54
    Exactly! Just like the monkeys grooming each other, picking out the lice and nibbling them. Truly a case of you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours.

  217. The Wily Orang-Utan-
    February 23rd, 2013 – 03:30

    Radford Ng – What right buttons? The right buttons of what?

    Correct buttons.

  218. I thought I’d swing over for some interesting conversation, but David Ossitt’s reply, above, is intentionally unhelpful. Uppity even. Don’t leave us hanging!

  219. The Wily Orang-Utan- February 23rd, 2013 – 14:24

    “I thought I’d swing over for some interesting conversation, but David Ossitt’s reply, above, is intentionally unhelpful. Uppity even. Don’t leave us hanging!”

    Hello The Wily Orang-Utan- my reply was not intended to be unhelpful rather the reverse as for ‘uppity’ me, never.

    Please allow me to elucidate Radford NG replied to Verity with,

    “Verity ;I just discover the text here can be increased 150% or more by pressing the right buttons making it easier to read.”

    You then asked “Radford Ng – What right buttons? The right buttons of what?”

    I was merely pointing out that Redford NG was using the word ‘right’ to mean the correct buttons to use, I do hope that now makes it clearer for you.

  222. I noticed on the news yesterday that a close friend of one of the Muslim bombers said that he had always thought he was an extremist among extremists. But the interviewer clearly did not ask him why he had not warned anyone.

  223. P from M 12:48 – Please write us a review! I think Nigel is the best speaker in politics. Norman Tebbit can be stirring, too, but he is not in the running. But if Nigel can get enough publicity from the sneaky lefty media, conservtively-inclined people will vote for UKIP.

  225. Malfleur
    February 23rd, 2013 – 22:41
    Read the link. My idea of fair justice would be to deport this scum who can’t keep his pants buttoned up, together with both his little bastards, and his mother’s cousin who can’t keep her pants up either, and the chav who gave birth to the elder pup. Good riddance to them all and let them enjoy their family life back in the jungle.

  226. So what to do about Olufisayo Ogundimu (op.cit.)?

    Well, here’s a thought. Why not divert the £230 million spent by the EU’s English Region government (Signore Camerone presiding) on not educating Nigerians in Nigeria to educating Nigerians in England where the proper disbursement of the fund from the bottomless pocket’s of the Region’s taxpayers could be more readily supervised by a team of specially appointed social workers? In this way, Mr. Ogundimu and his illegitimate children could be given a special focus education , possibly by those same social workers and later at, say, Eton, on the principle that spending £230 million on educating Mr. Ogundimu and his growing family is better than spending £230 million on not educating anyone whether Nigerian or not. The fact that Mr. Ogundimu is nominally Nigerian would be “icing on the cake” as the government could spin it. And the social workers would be liable to tax on their salaries…an almost perfect circle.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2235488/Britain-wasting-230m-aid-Nigerian-schools-Pupils-left-play-games-teachers-fail-turn-says-report.html

    We should ask Mrs. Duffy.

  229. Malfleur 22:41 – No point in posting links to The Telegraph. Only a few words of the article go up before the firewall intervenes and they want you to pay. Better to read the blogs. I’m about to go over and check on Sultan Knish.

  230. Been over to the always invigorating Sultan Knish, who writes, “Gay marriage innovates a new entity using a name that does not apply to it. It’s the usual leftist tactic of broadening a definition until it no longer means anything.”

    Good stuff!

  231. and for more noses in the public trough, none of them Nigerian and all a lot closer to home:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9889137/The-BBC-rot-starts-at-the-top-with-the-elusive-Lord-Patten.html

    Unfortunately, we have no Henry VIIIs to move against these miniature Cardinal Wolseys – and Wolsey had taste! Come to think of it, we could use a Thomas Wolsey to go after the fat cats. But where is the sovereign to give him authority to do so?

    (Verity: see Peter from Maidstone February 20th, 2013 – 19:29)

  232. Cat Statues

    Are the statues of Wolsey’s cat in Ipswich and Dr. Johnson’s cat,Hodge (“a very fine cat indeed”) outside the writer’s home in Fleet Street, the only statues of cats in England?

  233. Cat Statues

    Are the statues of Wolsey’s cat in Ipswich, and of Dr. Johnson’s cat,Hodge (“a very fine cat indeed”) outside the writer’s home near Fleet Street, the only statues of cats in England?

  234. I have seen the future;and he’s black.The only Conservative MP to talk much sense is Adam Afriyle (MP for Windsor since 2005).There is an article on the economy by him on today’s Mail on Line.This lead me to look him up.A self made millionaire born in Peckham(like Del Boy)to an English mother and absentee Ghanaian father.Born in 1965.Won Windsor in 2005.He has made few expenses claims.He voted against removing the Hereditary Peers (a Blairite Act I regard as unconstitutional),and has voted strongly against EU integration.He ought to go far;if he can be persuaded to wear a tie.

  235. It seems that the homosexuals continue their witchhunts on anybody who does not embrace their life style. Stonewall, the organisation for homosexuals, lesbians, transexuals and all other odds and bobs, have named an eminent churchman as Bigot of the Year. His crime? He is for married priests, but they must be married to partners of the opposite sex. He now appears in the headlines accused of ‘Inappropriate Behaviour’. Somehow I think this is a ‘cooked up’ accusation.

  236. Malfleur February 23rd, 2013 – 23:18

    “So what to do about Olufisayo Ogundimu (op.cit.)?”

    That we should spend a single penny in an attempt to education children in Nigerian I find quite obscene, it is not and should not be our responsibility to educate any children other than our own.

    If these amounts are being spent in Nigeria, how much is being spent in the rest of this benighted continent?

    That we have £9,000 per year university fees imposed on our own students whilst spending, no throwing away, wasting , is it 9 billion in foreign aid.

    That we fritter this and at the same time reduce our armed forces to a dangerously low levels is utter madness.

    The £9,000 per year university fees are not charged in the leech that is now the state of Scotland, who also kick us in the teeth by offering free tuition to students from any other EU country with the exception of those who come from England.

  239. Ostrich (occasionally) – Thanks for the link. Chilling. And, frankly, I have never met an Orang Utan from Sweden who I have liked.

  241. Ostrich (Occasionally) — Yes, I missed that, not being an informed critic of couture myself.

  242. From the Daily Mail we learn that foreign doctors are going to have to prove they can speak English before getting taken on to the NHS. Gosh, what a good idea! I think they should also be required to drive on the left.

  243. Verity
    February 24th, 2013 – 16:32
    Yes, Verity, and they should also be required to learn the rudiments of First Aid

  245. I think the second “by” in my post above should have an e at the end. By the bye. Does anyone know, and if so, what does it stand for? Byway? Highways and byways … ??

  246. By the way, there are seven or eight jacaranda trees beginning to blossom on my side of the block. In a week, the street will be a lofty cloud of lavender.

  249. Family of schoolboy, 9, who was found hanged at home claim he was hounded to his death by Asian bullies for being white

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283777/Family-schoolboy-9-hanged-home-claim-hounded-death-Asian-bullies-white.html#ixzz2Lq42lJFC
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    I HAVE WRITTEN TO THE “DM” ASKING THEM WHY THEY DO NOT STATE THE BULLIES WERE PAKISTANI AND NOT CHINESE OR JAPANESE?

  250. Good for you, AWK! This usage always infuriates me. I have been to Japan twice, Korea, Thailand several times, lived in India for six months and know well Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore. Those and Viet Nam and Sri Lanka and China constitute Asia.

    Pakistanis and other Middle Easterners are sleazy, primitive bullies. They are, by no stretch of the imagination “Asians”. Asians are intelligent and well behaved except, sometimes, for exuberant Indians, but even then, they seldom do real harm.

    The Pakis are characterised by being adherents of islam, a dingbat belief system attractive only to primitive, violent people, like Wossname who organised the Twin Towers atrocity. Also, islamics are keen on beards.

  251. With Lord Ashcroft deciding to no longer fund the Conservative Party I wonder if a properly constructed proposal could be presented to him to see if he would support in a small way some of the projects we have discussed here?

  253. Adam Afriye:

    Verity and Radford NG: you both obviously missed this quote from his Wiki page:

    “I will never stand against David Cameron. I am 100% supportive of David Cameron.”

    He also, according to Wikipedia, describes himself as “postracial” – defined as “where the United States is devoid of racial preference, discrimination, and prejudice” (Wiki)

    He’s an anti racist (read anti white) Cameroon, who also said of his mother:

    “tumultuous relationships with different men made for a constant state of flux at the boundaries of our family”

    Charming! She only raised you single handedly when you Ghanaian father had p*ssed off and left you all.

    NEXT!

  254. Verity

    “Which projects did you have in mind, Peter.”

    Well for one, shaving, perhaps, in view of the last sentence of your 17:58 post. 🙂

  256. A child was asked to write a book report on the entire Bible. Here is what was written:

    The Children’s Bible in a Nutshell
    In the beginning, which occurred near the start, there was nothing but God, darkness, and some gas.
    The Bible says,’The Lord thy God is one,’ but I think He must be a lot older than that.

    Anyway, God said, ‘Give me a light!’ and someone did. Then God made the world. He split the Adam and made Eve. Adam and Eve were naked, But they weren’t embarrassed because mirrors hadn’t been invented yet. Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating one bad apple, so they were driven from the Garden of Eden …..Not sure what they were driven in though, because they didn’t have cars.

    Adam and Eve had a son, Cain, who hated his brother as long as he was Abel. Pretty soon all of the early people died off, except for Methuselah, who lived to be like a million or something.

    One of the next important people was Noah, who was a good guy, but one of his kids
    was kind of a Ham. Noah built a large boat and put his family and some animals on it.
    He asked some other people to join him, but they said they would have to take a rain check.

    After Noah came Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Jacob was more famous than his brother, Esau,
    because Esau sold Jacob his birthmark in exchange for some pot roast. Jacob had a son named Joseph who wore a really loud sports coat.

    Another important Bible guy is Moses, whose real name was Charlton Heston. Moses led the Israel Lights out of Egypt and away from the evil Pharaoh after God sent ten plagues on Pharaoh’s people. These plagues Included frogs, mice, lice, bowels, and no cable.

    God fed the Israel Lights every day with manicotti. Then he gave them His Top Ten Commandments. These include: don’t lie, cheat, smoke, dance, or covet your neighbour’s stuff.
    I just thought of one more: humour thy father and thy Mother.

    One of Moses’ best helpers was Joshua. Who was the first Bible guy to use spies.
    Joshua fought the battle of Geritol and the fence fell over on the town.

    After Joshua came David. He got to be king by killing a giant with a slingshot. He had a son named Solomon who had about 300 wives and 500 porcupines. My teacher says he was wise, but that doesn’t sound very wise to me.

    After Solomon there were a bunch of major league Prophets. One of these was Jonah, who was
    swallowed by a big whale and then thrown up on the shore. There were also some minor league prophets, but I suppose we don’t have to worry about them.

    After the Old Testament came the New Testament. Jesus is the star of The New Testament. He was born in Bethlehem in a barn. (I wish I had been born in a barn too, because my mom is always saying to me, ‘Close the door! Were you born In a barn?’ It would be nice to say, ‘As a matter off act, I was.’)

    During His life, Jesus had many arguments with sinners like the Pharisees and the Liberals Democrats. Jesus also had twelve opossums.
    The worst one was Judas Asparagus. Judas was so evil that they named a terrible vegetable after him.

    Jesus was a great man. He healed many leopards And even preached to some Germans on the Mount.
    But the Liberal Democrats Republicans and all those guys put Jesus on trial before Pontius the Pilot. Pilot didn’t stick up for Jesus. He just washed his hands instead.

    Anyways, Jesus died for our sins, then came back to life again. He went up to Heaven but will be back at the end of the Aluminum. His return is foretold In the book of Revolution.

  258. I notice that the motto of Eastleigh is salus populi suprema lex.

    Parliament should think of adopting it.

  260. Speaking of lilac jacaranda, you won’t catch me looking like a sissy walking about in trees covered in lavender flowers. I like a tree you can swing from.

  261. “… I like a tree you can swing from…”

    It may be crowded. Wallsters have a sufficiency of prior candidates for such useful trees.

  262. Over at ‘The Other Place’, six of the last eight or nine posts concern somebody called Lord Rennard – a prominent ‘LibDem’ who appears to have been accused of ogling lady colleagues inappropriately or something equally unacceptable (comments closed on all of them so presumably there are legals in the offing).
    But who are the these LibDems to make this embarrassment so important as to warrant so much interest?
    It looks to me that this Rennard chappie is, at best, a big fish (or fox, perhaps) in a an almost drained pond.

  263. rank Sutton – 23:56

    “…But who are the these LibDems to make this embarrassment so important as to warrant so much interest?
    It looks to me that this Rennard chappie is, at best, a big fish (or fox, perhaps) in a an almost drained pond.”

    Perhaps it’s because hetrosexuals, even an alleged ‘hands on’, Toad of Toad Hall sandal wearer like the said peer, are so rare in the upper reaches of the Lib Dems as to be worthy of remark.

  264. Noa @0008 & Frank

    No wonder the Glib Dems are in such a flap over Rennard. If a heterosexual older white male was making inept advances to younger white women the shameful lack of diversity in these ‘offences’ must be shaking them to their very core. The sheer inanity and stereotypical blandness of such situations must be making the likes of Oaten and Hughes squirm in their studded leather thongs and laugh in their scented baby-oil baths.

  265. Lord Rennard, a fleshy and corpulent man who probably smells of stale body fluids and dead insects, has seemingly devoted his life to the sensuous consumption of rich foods and the trouser twitching pursuit of unattractive LibDem Harpies. Given his non-existent charms he has little option but to make his alleged flirting both unambiguous and widespread. And yet, even in a party of ring-masters and unattractive women, the poor chap seems to have been a remarkably unsuccessful Lothario. Indeed, his fevered fumblings have only led to gallons of ‘Mark Oaten Hair Gel’ being deposited upon Mr Clegg by a joyful media and ungrateful colleagues.

    What next for the LibDems as they head towards obscurity?

  269. I posted earlier this week challenging social workers, Blairs SS troops, to do something about the hate instilled in the children of the desert cult. I make no apology for posting it again.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4

    I could not have forseen the weekend media headlines from the Sun. But I could expect and anticipate the absence of comment from the Mirror-owned Birmingham Mail. A 9 year old driven to take his life because the majority, being Muslims, clearly created in his own mind his future – that of a second-class citizen in his own land.

    He did not have the intellectual rigor to understand that these shit-for-brains scum will ultimately breed themselves into limping, asthmatic oblivion as they inter-breed; that logic, truth and the internet will destroy their baseless beliefs; that, if logic fails, then the weary west will, ultimately, rise up and defend its freedoms as it has done so many times before and, like Hilter’s Nazis and Hirohito’s slitty-eyed monkeys, destroy them once and for all.

    We have Geert Wilders down here at the moment – even the Ozzie immigration service couldn’t, ultimately, keep him out and f**k me they tried. (Unless you drift in on a leaky boat, this is a bastard of a place to get into!). He is all across the news warning Oz not to make the same mistakes as Europe where the vile sons of the desert are concerned. We have some, but no many. Halal is not a word known here, but Geert has raised it. Burkas, as a political statement, are absent. In fact, a woman fully clothed here is viewed with suspicion! (God, I love the place). I live on the Sunshine Coast, north of Brisbane. I see no blacks (Afro types, not Abos). There is no mosque north of Brisbane until you hit Indonesia. As yet, they have no base, not even their oppressed minority whinge helps here. Thank God for Geert, now they’ll find it even harder to gain a foothold.

    Can we expect the Dugmore family to become the Lawrences of the 21st Century? Can we fuck! The Mail has already moved the story onto the back pages and the BBC have ignored it completely. They might have become cheerleaders for the oppressed if their son had big rubbery lips and an excessive suntan. As it is, they’ll be surrounded by ‘Community Officers’ to keep the BNP away and then, quietly, removed from their home and relocated where they can’t cause any trouble.

  270. Between ‘Scented baby oil baths’ and ‘Mark Oaten Hair gel’ I don’t know who should get the twinkie award…

  271. “Given his non-existent charms he has little option but to make his alleged flirting both unambiguous and widespread.”

    Sounds a bit like an unlamented ex deputy Prime Minister?

  273. H-g 00:25

    “the shameful lack of diversity in these ‘offences’ must be shaking them to their very core.”

    🙂

  275. Clear Memories, Noah and P from M – I had written responses to your very intereting posts, and sudden the mouse started running all over the page – a wild mouse on the loose! – and when I corralled it, “Whoah, l’il mousie!”, my responses had been deleted. I cannot be bothered to go back and reconstruct them, but all three of your posts were interesting.

    Further down, P from M-8 a..m. Well said! D’acceurdo! P from M 10:02 – surely Oz is big enough to have giant lamb ranches of its own?? What is baffling is that New Zealand, one of whose chief foreign currency earners is its well-rgardedlamb, would see fit to destroy its reputation over night.

    Ostrich (occasionally) 9:33 – You never mention to whom you are referring. Is Lardy John Prescott perchance?

    Hexamgeezer 8:25 – Laugh over breakfast tea snd toast!

    Clear Memories – How depressing! But thank God for Geert! I hold him in the same respect I hold Nigel Farage, except Farage is far wittier and quicker on the draw. But Geert is communicating, in a TV studio, in his second language. He is to be treasured, because he is the one (other than LePen’s daughter and, although she has softened her father’s message, she come carrying the burden of his reputation among the toxic Left) voice in Europe (that doesn’t and shouldn’t include Britain, speaking against the flooding of the West with primitive, toxic, frenzied islamic nut jobs.

  276. I can only imagine – can’t be bothered to check, that NZ is selling millions of tonnes of lamb to adherent of the primitive desert cult. Got to keep those young men fit for raping little girls!

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