The Coffee House Wall – 19th/25th September

Posted on September 19, 2016

This is the Coffee House Wall for this week. I won’t say that it is your chance to communicate with us, as we are all in this together. It is, nevertheless, the Conservative Blog post that has no particular theme, and where everything is on topic. Let’s just remember that we want to avoid ad hominem attacks on others. We don’t want to engage with trolls. We want to moderate our language ourselves as responsible and mature adults, choosing to use fruity language only where it is necessary. This is our opportunity to show what the Spectator Coffee House Wall could have been like.

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142 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 19th/25th September”

  2. Radford NG – 02:33

    “Berlin City election.
    AfD get 14% on first try.”

    Quite a respectable effort in a city with such a high percentage of immigrants.
    I think that the cosy cabal of CDU/CSU and SPD, and also others such as FDP, Greens and Der Linke are in for quite a shock in next year’s federal elections. Especially after Marine Le Pen has delivered a fatal kick in the goolies to Hollande and Sarkozy in April.

    Donald Trump is the key to ordinary decent people feeling free enough to vote how they feel. Unless he wins on Nov 8th then it’s all over… (bar the shooting, of course)

    h/t Baron

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY7sXKGZl2w

  3. EC

    “Beatrix von Storch ‏@Beatrix_vStorch 2h2 hours ago
    Beatrix von Storch Retweeted Ralf Schuler

    Guten Morgen, liebe Berliner. Vielen Dank für das Vertrauen. Die Arbeit beginnt. #AGH #AfD

    Die Arbeit beginnt

    (The work Begins)

  4. Romano Verdi – 08:51

    Closer to home…
    Something really ought to be done about curtailing the Royal Parking Privilege scam – aka the Blue Badge scheme. It’s got out of hand. Most of the bastards that I see sprinting away from the vehicles parking in those spots would give Usain Bolt a run for his money.

    Also, if people are so disabled that they need those places, there’s a good argument to say that they shouldn’t be driving!

  5. EC
    Yes those are the issues on which we need to focus.
    But with care.
    My father in law aged 96 has a blue badge but sensibly gave up driving a few years ago.
    The badge however allows me and his carers to take him to his hospital appointments and to park nearby AND let me accompany him on the hazardous few steps to the entrance before I can get a wheelchair.
    This is very different than making me adjudicate my cheers between those with weak legs as opposed to those with back problems etc.
    I know that will not endear me to Baron etc.

  6. Romano Verdi – 09:08

    No problem with disabled people owning cars, or having Blue Badge Parking badges providing they are NOT driving and WITH the vehicle when it was parked.

    Re: Virtue signalling

    Given your previous writings I’m certain that you will enjoy Paul Joseph Watson’s recent humorous rant…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxcp0pd4k_4

  8. Jeano – September 13th, 21:16
    http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/the-coffee-house-wall-12th18th-september/#comment-221613

    RobertRetyred – September 14th, 23:05
    http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/the-coffee-house-wall-12th18th-september/#comment-221770

    I am still wary, but TM does appear to be picking off some of the accumulated issues:
    ‘We CANNOT cope’ Theresa May heads to New York to demand action from UN on migrant crisis
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/711914/Theresa-May-heads-New-York-UN-General-Assembly-demand-action-migrant-crisis

    How the Western Media can ignore the lack of involvement of any Islamic states in helping the situation is amazing, even though we know why it is so, and how Western politicians can ignore that there is no end, until they do something, shows how incompetent they are. Isn’t it misconduct? They have responsibilities to go along with their powers, don’t they?

    Britain isn’t supposed to be even thinking about trade deals until we are out of the EU (Evil Union), but EU members are making various demands on us! What a shower. Surely, no sensible person wants to keep financial and political connections with such a pack of desperate dysfunctionals.

  12. EC @ 08:52

    Seconded, EC.

    The SPD may add further to CDU humiliation, drop Mutti as a coalition partner in Berlin. It couldn’t have happened to ‘nicer people’, could it?

  13. Tommy Robinson : Judge dismisses banning order brought against him by Bedfordshire police as `vague and cagey and not genuine`
    That’s Bedfordshire police,the Home Office and Teresa May.

    http://bit.ly/2daYBCR

  14. EC @ 09:01

    Seconded, too, EC, it’s a scam.

    In our locality, one individual has had the blue badge for years, still walks her dog, no difficulty at all. The reason she has the badge? Her husband was a doctor, so everyone says.

  15. This young man Watson hits the nail whatever the subject, EC.

    Pity, Mark Steyn’s still travelling, what project could be that important now, few weeks before the count on which the future of the world is to be decided?

  16. RobertRetyred @ 09:52

    Renzi was Mutti’s choice, Robert, he was supposed to play the role of a lapdog, she will not be pleased.

  17. Radford NG September 19th, 2016 – 16:45

    The usual contradictory double standards by the authorities. They continuously claim that ISIS do not represent Islam or muslims but in that case they were trying to argue that the words F**k ISIS were an incitement to hatred against all muslims.

    Police and CPS credibility = 0

    They are bringing the rule of law into disrepute by these trumped up prosecutions and persecutions.

  18. Baron – 17:04

    Don’t worry, she has more to worry about now the election results are coming in.

    I wonder if the Euro-‘leaders’ have taken in TM’s visit to the UN: it’s an admission that the EU can’t fix the migration problem, which is true, but pointing out that ‘More EU’ is not the answer will not make them happy. 🙂

  20. Arrest the British Goverment?

    “…August 1. Nearly 900 Syrians in Britain were arrested in 2015 for crimes including rape and child abuse, police statistics revealed. The British government has pledged to resettle up to 20,000 Syrian refugees in the UK by the end of 2020. “The government seems not to have vetted those it has invited into the country,” said MEP Ray Finch….”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-19/honor-killings-self-styled-emirs-voter-fraud-month-islam-britain

  21. Baron (17:01)

    Mark stood in for Linbaugh yesterday and has a segment on The Factor tonight. See his website.

    Anyway, he already laid out the future ten years ago. And so it has transpired. If he does nothing more for the rest of his life that shoulld secure his place as a prophet.

    But if you want more – listen to his feisty spot on O’Reilly’s Factor tonight. You will be reassured that he is still on message. He looks as fit as a butcher’s dog, too.

  25. Yall still there?
    November is getting nearer.

    Listen to Donald:

    “You know, our police are amazing—our local police, they know who a lot of these people are,”
    “they’re afraid to do anything about it because they don’t want to be accused of profiling, and they don’t want to be accused of all sorts of things
    “You know, in Israel they profile, They’ve done an unbelievable job, as good as you can do.”
    If a person looks suspicious in Israel, “they will take that person in. They’re trying to be politically correct in our country and this is only going to get worse”

    They are bombing our citizens and all Criminal Hillary can do is pander to the sensibilities of people who do not come from here and do not heed our God.

    Love to Andy.

  28. Baron
    September 16th, 2016 – 16:35

    The Mayor of Scuttleton

    By Mary Mapes Dodge

    Dodgy by means of attribution.

  29. Taken from a comment on line

    At the moment comparing the EU to the US in terms of “islamification” things are still a ways apart (although the attacks in the US of course take the cake in terms of scale). Numerically there would be far more islamic terrorist attacks in the Philipines than just about anywhere but you never hear about it for the same reason you don’t hear about many events in europe or the US these days. The media self censors reality to impose their filtered view of the world. The muslim population of a country as a percentage of overall population gives some indication (but that stat cannot be relied on solely) – still there is a correlation between that figure and the extent of islamic instigated terrorist attacks in those countries. So France has between 7.5 and 8% of its population as muslim but they tend to be concentrated in a few specific areas that have become effective ghettos/no-go areas for French law enforcement. By contrast Switzerland has between 5 and 6% of its population as muslim but immigration rules are much stricter there and the populations are scattered across the country (and they are also obliged to assimilate culturally – and a failure to do so results in loss of citizenship – result – no terrorist attacks in Switzerland). The UK has a bout 5% muslim population but like France they are congregated in a handful of no-go areas with the result they do not assimilate and those areas operate like mini foreign states complete with public corruption and hate preaching mullahs etc. The US by contrast has less than 1% muslim population and while they have sizeable populations in a couple of areas (like Dearborn, Michigan) they are still a tiny cohort relative to other western countries. But as Switzerland shows you can have a moderate islamic population and make it work with the right rules in place. But they need to be pretty draconian. Temporary visas that only become permanent after a lengthy period and instant loss of citizenship for transgressions. Also make sure they do not congregate in one area and form mini foreign countries within the host countries. (PS It’s worth noting also that there are no substantial countries with 50% muslim populations – the only countries that have 50% muslim populations are those on their way to 99 or 100% muslim populations – once muslims get a large enough percentage in a country the non-muslims are pushed out or exterminate. The only exceptions would be Nigeria (basically in a state of civil war between muslims and non-muslims) and Malaysia where the muslims are about 65% and make life unpleasant for the non-muslim population but not so bad that they leave – they need the Chinese to stay because they run most of the businesses there). But in most cases there is no such thing as a multicultural islamic country)

  34. “On this Tuesday, September 20 edition of the Alex Jones Show, we analyze the Bush family’s history with globalism as George H.W. Bush endorses Hillary Clinton. Not much of a conservative now, is he? Trump insider Roger Stone reveals more on what this means. We also look into how George Soros is spending $500 million for migrants to invade the West instead of fixing problems in the Middle East.”

    http://www.infowars.com/watch-alex-jones-show/

  37. George W. Bush is related to Obama.
    He is the 11th cousin, through Samuel and Sarah Soole Hinckley of 17th-century Massachusetts, to Barack Obama.

  38. Frank P September 21st, 2016 – 00:25
    √

    There are two levels to those conspiracy theories. The conspiracy theory nutters and then the cynical political subversives whose relativist agenda is aided by the suspicion that the USA, “the great Satan”, carried out the attacks themselves.

    It is an irony of modern life that the 9/11 fantasist conspiracy theories get maximum exposure and debate but the true-life cock-up by government level incompetents following the invasion and occupation of Iraq almost gets a free pass.

    Imaginary horror always seems to drive more debate than real horror. Which is, I suppose, why the collective wailing of the left about the plight of Calais’ economic migrants gets more media attention and traction than the crimes of ISIS against Christians.

  39. Frank P – 00:07

    “‘Straight as a die Jim Comey’, eh?”

    Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose!

    Not much has changed since the days of Billy the Kid and the Lincoln County War. When, it could be argued, that many of Billy’s dastardly deeds were at least born of honest motivations, which is more than can be said for the murder, sleaze and corruption committed by some rather dubious representatives of Laura Norder in that area, at that time.

  40. Colonel Mustard – 09:06

    The trouble is that “the left,” “progressives,” “the elite,” call them what you like, are now saying that ANY accusation that is brought up against one of their own is a “conspiracy theory.” Empirical evidence, smoking guns, emails, witness statements all count for nothing.

    The Clinton Foundation – State Department Axis Pay For Play allegations? Just a conspiracy theory, nothing to see here, move along folks…

    The question I have to ask about Fred’s rather laboured piece(*), is why now? Sometimes I think that extracting the “government” out of a retired government employee is like trying to get the Trot out of a Hitchens…

    (*) maybe I missed his point.

  41. Can I be the only one sick to the back teeth with all this virtue signaling by brainless celebrities over immigration? If they are that concerned for refugees, then why are they not protesting outside the Saudi embassy, a country responsible for exacerbating much of the mess in Syria? As for the outrage over the alleged bombing by Russia of an aide convoy, if you are stupid enough to enter such an area in the first place then you have no reason to complain of the consequences, claiming to be engaged in good works does not render you inviolable. If it was the Ruskies who launched the attack, I seriously doubt it was deliberate, they have a history of cockups, one of the most famous being the Dogger Bank incident.

  42. Stephen Maybery – 11:09

    Amal Clooney is Lebanese, so you would have thought that she would know how settled migrants/refugees can turn on their hosts. In the 80’s, I had a Lebanese colleague who enlightened me on the practice, having been shot at when in his home village.

    It should go without saying he was Christian.

  43. It remains to be seen whether the exploitation drama with Coltrane as a celeb caught up in historic sex offences concludes against the witch-hunt hysteria or as propaganda justifying it.

    In the Radio Times Coltrane implies that the rights of the victims to “come forward” should take priority over the right of the accused to remain anonymous. That is typical of the current state-sponsored prejudice of using the term “victim”. In such one against one cases the victimhood should first be proved beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law. It also encourages the foolish and dangerous idea that without a conviction the “victims” have somehow been denied justice.

    We’ll soon be down to the accused having to prove innocence against a presumption of guilt to satisfy a faddish political agenda rather than to serve true justice. The thin edge of that particular wedge came with the presumption that in motor vehicle vs cycle accidents the vehicle driver is now presumed to have driven without due care and attention or dangerously until he or she can prove otherwise. Those behind this “progressive” change appear to forget that the accused can also be the “victim” of the state and his or her accusers.

    Pandering to faddish political prejudices undermines the rule of law and ultimately the credibility of the justice system. The radical socialist cult activist Starmer, now absurdly a Labour MP, and his successor have been instrumental in bringing about this sorry state of affairs. The current AG is a Cameron appointee who survived May’s re-shuffle. Let’s hope he gets a grip on it – although he has already had two years to fumigate the politically tainted CPS so the outlook does not bode well.

    The moment a DPP starts engaging with a political lobbying agenda they should be out on their ear.

  45. Stephen Maybery September 21st, 2016 – 11:09

    Ah celebs. Lecturing us not to fear waves of mass immigration from behind their bodyguards, the walls and fences of their top of the range security system protected mansions far from the hoi-polloi and the tinted, armoured glass of their limousines. Easy peasy, worthless words.

    They should have to have entertainment licences in order to work and the moment they engage publicly in politics should lose them. They need to decide what they want to be and if they want to be politicians to stand for election. Using their celebrity status and high profiles to peddle politics is one inequality that curiously does not seem to vex those who rule over us. They have actively encouraged it, the fools. How does being a famous actor – or a famous actor’s wife – make their political views any more important or valid than those of the man on the Clapham omnibus?

    And of course “humanitarian” has now morphed into “socialist” – or vice versa.

  46. Colonel,
    If there’s one word that “makes want to reach for my revolver”, it’s “humanitarian”.
    Closely followed by “green”, “eco”, “social media”, “alleged”, “so-called” (referring to IS), “benefits”, “diversity”, “multi-cultural”, “all-inclusive”, and “superfoods”. All these make me want to gag.

  48. Stephen 1109:

    “She added, “They are some of the most formidable and impressive people I have ever met and they deserve better than to be left alone to suffer…We need policies for long-term security that are designed by women, focused on women, executed by women—not at the expense of men, or instead of men, but alongside and with men.”

    The mother of six’s moving speech concluded with one final, positive note regarding just how crucial education is to a woman’s future.

    “There is no greater pillar of stability than a strong, free and educated woman, and there is no more inspiring role model than a man who respects and cherishes women and champions their leadership.” ”

    And so who is this Saint?

    “Angelina Jolie is demanding custody of her and Brad Pitt’s children amid claims she has become increasingly worried about the actor’s strict parenting skills.

    The move came after sources close to the actress claimed she had been left furious by the way “Brad was parenting the children,” adding “she was extremely upset with his methods.”

    Well young Angelina I was brought up under the philosophy “Spare the rod”

  50. “We need policies for long-term security that are designed by women, focused on women, executed by women—not at the expense of men, or instead of men, but alongside and with men.”

    We have Merkel. And that’s not going great.

    They speak as though European political institutions are not already stuffed full of women doing just that and have been for some long time. As though women still need to win the vote.

    And the results? Not great. Lots of feminised and/or gender confused men and boys holding up signs saying “This is what a feminist looks like”.

  53. The barbarian has returned to his lair only this afternoon, scanned the week in progress, found you’re still at it, hard as ever, thought to say ‘hallo’, thanks to Frank, Fergus for the tips.

    The DT piece on the reborn KGB’s pitiful (it fails to mention the new Gulags, how could it?), we should wait for the omni-all one to have a go, no?

    The Clintons cash expose says it all and well, but stick it won’t, nothing will, the teflon coating will only be pierced with Donald’s triumph in November.

  54. Romano Verdi
    September 21st, 2016 – 07:29

    The Point of Hinckley

    And thus, Obama is related to the man who shot Reagan…John Hinckley, Jr.?

  55. Colonel Mustard

    It would take a fantasist to believe now that there was not more to the events of 9/11 than met the eye. It was a construction for the gullible – most of us at the time that is – that brought on the terrible events of the last 15 years which may yet bring down our civilization.

  56. Malfleur September 22nd, 2016 – 08:16

    I’m sure that there was more to those events than meet the eye but not to change the facts that four civilian airliners were hi-jacked by Islamist terrorists, three of them deliberately flown into targeted buildings and the fourth crashed whilst the hi-jackers were attempting to do so.

  57. Malfleur
    0811
    Very perspicacious.
    Yes a direct descendent. Samuel (a Puritan) born in fact in England and Sarah had a son John born in 1644 and the would be assassin (whose father, also John, became the rich head of World Vision United States) was in direct line.

  58. What was going on in Building 7? On the day, I didn’t even see any imaginary planes fly into that. Ours not to reason why.

    Meanwhile, another fantastic story:

    State Department Admits: Islamic State Terrorists Trying To Pose As Refugees
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-21/state-department-admits-islamic-state-terrorists-trying-pose-refugees

    How could that possibly be?

    Next thing we know they will be rounding up members of the Bush/Clinton cabal worldwide, the world financial system will be reset, and the Chinese will introduce a gold-backed currency on their National Day as the new world reserve currency – then where shall we be?

  59. Baron, September 21st, 2016 – 23:17

    “The barbarian has returned to his lair only this afternoon…

    Been out east again? If so, then do remember to tuck your shirt in your trousers. [Unless, like Vlad, you’ve dispensed with it altogether! 🙂 …although, it wasn’t that long ago that the yokel smock was an item of everyday apparel in your neck of the woods.] [Mr Putin, it must be noted, has some very fine business suits for daywear.]

    The Clinton woman is clearly, visibly, and demonstrably not at all well. IMO, concerns over her health are not a conspiracy theory, although others might try and convince you otherwise. The question is, can she elude the GRIM REAPER until after November 8th?

    Another question is why, so often, power crazed despots, megalomaniacs and mass murderers hire quacks as their personal physicians when their health begins to fail?

    “Theodor Morell: The Secret Diaries of Hitler’s Doctor”

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Morell/Morell.pdf
    by David Irving(*)

    Most entertaining, if the backdrop to the subject matter wasn’t so grim.

    (*) Just because the guy held/holds/ once expressed some questionable views on a certain topic doesn’t automatically invalidate everything he ever wrote, no?

  60. Baron,

    “The Shocking Truth About Hillary’s October Surprise”
    Paul Joseph Watson

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9118K9ejqU

    Paul’s imaginative speculations have been prompted upon the informed opinion of Roger Stone who used to work for the Clintons and knows how the operate.

    As far as the Clinton “campaign” is concerned it would be (dangerously?) naive not think the unthinkable, no?

  61. EC September 22nd, 2016 – 09:42

    Irving’s book on the V weapons “The Mare’s Nest” is still one of the best studies.

  62. At 3-21pm; Autumn Equinox : sun passes into the southern hemisphere….spring time in Australia.

  63. EC
    September 21st, 2016 – 16:57

    This Old Heart of Mine needs reassurance

    That you’re no longer Crazy About Her;

    I Feel that I’m Losing You to the memory of Maggie May.

    Stop living in the past and focus on the present.

    I Was Only Joking when I said I wasn’t bothered,

    But My Heart Can’t Tell You No, so I pretended.

    Tonight’s The Night I’m asking you please

    To throw away the Broken Arrow of love past.

    Find A Reason To Believe in yourself and in us.

  64. Fergus Pickering – 16:17

    Plagiarize,
    Let no one else’s work evade your eyes,
    Remember why the good Lord made your eyes,
    So don’t shade your eyes,
    But plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize…
    Only be sure always to call it please, “research”.
    Tom Lehrer

  65. EC @ 09:55

    You’re right, EC, she and her backers will stop at nothing to prevent Donald winning. The risk they’re running is considerable though, and the result may be, one hopes will be, not dissimilar to what happened here before the brexit vote when the remainers and their MSM poodles were coupling the regrettable murder of the female MP with the brexit camp. It didn’t work although the barbarian suspect s some voters may have been swayed.

    You know what surprised Baron today? The Classic FM station was broadcasting (three times in a row at each hour) a small chunk of an interview with Assad, in which he claimed the Americans had been lying about the relief convoy attack near Aleppo. Was this a hint not everyone is falling for the anti-Assad agitprop?

    The source Baron’s relying on when it comes to unbiased news on Syria says many local groups opposing Assad are switching sides, joining him, repenting because his forces are gaining grounds everywhere. That’s the reason the Americans may have bombed the positions of the Syrian Army at Deir Erzor (it enabled the jihadists to take over the territory temporarily) to show those rebel groups wanting to defect to Assad it’s they who calls the tune, and why they are pushing for the no-fly zone, the Russians are opposing it. The no-fly zone will be patrolled by them, nobody will be allowed to fly.

    If the Yanks get their way, Syria will become another failed state akin to Libya, Baron reckons, Europe will be hit by another tsunami of refugees. Madness.

  67. EC @ 09:42

    Too long to finish in one evening, but you, EC, (or the Colonel) reckon it’s genuine?

    The barbarian’s aware the guy was his physician, but the diaries may have been faked, or not?

  70. Here’s a nugget or two from what the barbarian learnt in the east:

    The refugees in Germany are housed mostly in hastily (but well) constructed pre-fabricated buildings near small town and villages, they have medical check-ups regularly, get pocket money, can attend courses including swimming lessons, language courses are not compulsory, often a course starts with 80 finishes with 2, some refugees are allowed to go on holiday to the country they fled from (it helps if they have relatives still living there).

    Most of the locals dislike the whole thing, will still vote for Mutti (there’s nobody else who’s well known and liked apparently), and Mutti herself has said during the Berlin count she ‘wishes she could turn the clock back’. There’s a vetting procedure on what can be reported either locally or nationwide.

    The fear is the flood of refugees is far from over, but preparation are for stricter filtering on who can be let in, an unspecified number has already been deported (the estimates vary from few hundreds to tens of thousands).

    None of the above comes from any official source, but from individuals who either do business in Germany, or work there (plenty of Czechs have jobs in the country, many medical staff benefit from much higher pay, (but they live in Czecho where prices for everything are noticeably lower).

  71. Sarah Montague, tonight interviewed Manfred Weber, MEP, the chairman of the EPP Group, in a BBC programme comically called “Hardtalk”.
    She merely acted as the midwife for this smooth-talking Gerrie con man to lay down the rules for Brexit. They should rename the programme ‘Soft-talk.” If you can bear it, pull it up on iplayer and watch it.

    “Ve hef vays of bringing you Brexiteers to heel.”

    GTF out of this scam – NOW!

  72. Regarding Brexit and to quote Oliver Cromwell “In the name of God, go” There is no need for all this shilly shallying, which will achieve nothing other than to delay the inevitable and to prepare us for a mammoth stitch up, I would not trust Daisy May to do anything apart from selling us down the river.

    Interesting comments on the situation in Syria. I have spent too long in that part of the World to doubt the veracity of these reports. Have the bloody Yanks learned nothing from the British Empire which they so recklessly destroyed? while having nothing worthwhile to put in its place?

  73. 0030
    I remember reading in “A Perfect Spy” that the Czecho networks had been rolled up. Are you sure your intelligence is correct?
    Much of the media is full of comments like this:
    “Our Europe Is Dying”: German Youth Blast Merkel’s “Multicultural Utopia”
    “Of course you can’t exactly blame Europeans for their newfound tendency to lean right (so to speak). Between the Paris attacks and the wave of sexual assaults that took place across the bloc on New Year’s Eve, the EU electorate has come to associate refugees with violent crime. The bloc is in fact so frightened that pepper spray and gun sales are soaring as Europeans arm themselves against what they increasingly view as a hostile foreign invasion and an usurpation of Christian values.”

  74. Romano Verdi September 23rd, 2016 – 08:24

    Traditional watch and ward policing is more or less dead. Most policing is now either reactive or constrained within “special” units pandering to crime demarcation, some of it of the most trivial and politically driven kind. For Khan, the London mayor, to divert police resources to monitoring rudeness on social media at the same time as he declares the threat of terrorism to be expected in the city demonstrates just how much the plot has been lost.

    At the same time as watch and ward policing has declined the ability for people to defend themselves and their homes has been discouraged and the necessary tools criminalised.

    Policing by consent was always an exchange. Citizens gave up their defensive weapons on the understanding that the police would protect them from crime. Protection means uniformed police patrolling on foot within all communities, not just those in the largest urban conurbations. As people sleep unarmed in their beds, they have a right to expect that uniformed police are patrolling the streets below their windows. Police may react to reported crime but they no longer feel responsible for it happening on their beats – not that there are any beats any more.

    This traditional view of policing has been scorned as “obsolete” by theorists who like to focus instead on the labyrinthine “sociological” factors that draw resources towards PC and SJW crap rather than the simple basics.

  76. No plagiary this
    Just couplets and bliss!
    On Gods sweet way
    We have to say.

    I salute EC
    For his discovery
    That the couplets seen
    Belong to Flora Breen

    Robison, of course
    She was the source.
    I’ll play the game
    I seek not fame.

  77. Colonel Mustard (09:36)

    Bravo! Keep turning the screw. As each day passes the sinister advance of totalitarianism continues apace,, using the police as the thin end of the wedge. It is sad that there is no will to resist this degredation, from inside the police community itself. It has taken just two generations for the balls of the job to wither into petit pois.

  78. And for other children of the 60’s:

    Lay, Lady, Lay down and get some rest.

    Isn’t it Just Like A Woman to tell a man

    That he’s working too hard all the time

    And then go and ignore her own advice?

    That is not the way to stay Forever Young.

    Acting Like A Rolling Stone is not the only way

    To age faster than you should be aging, Angelina.

    All you need to do is to put everybody else

    Before your own happiness and health, my dear.

    It Ain’t Me Babe that’s making you work all hours.

    A Hard Rain’s Gonna Fall before you go

    Knockin’ On Heaven’s Door if you’re not careful.

    Your own youth is Blowing In The Wind now.

    Don’t let it blow away and leave you too soon.

  79. Or Robison on the Club of 27
    (That will tax the brain cells of the uninitiated):

    People Are Strange creatures.

    They enjoy living in the past.

    But this can be The End of sadness;

    Happiness is in the right frame of mind.

    Touch Me and you will Light My Fire.

    Together we’ll be united Riders On The Storm.

    Stop pining for that L.A. Woman;

    Stop singing those Road House Blues.

    Break On Through

  80. Or even for the man of the moment (apols Rick Fernandez)

    So it’s come to this I guess
    Chose the lesser of two evils?
    Politics’ become a joke no less
    When our vote creates upheaval.

    If Clinton wins of which I doubt
    She’s got too much dirty laundry
    Biden doesn’t know much about
    The poor man going hungry.

    Ben Carson well he’s a great surgeon
    And Ted Cruz he’s alright
    Yet Trump might having won
    Turn our wrongs to right? He might.

    Now Trump needs the Latino vote
    But there’s no chance in hell
    illegals fences will never promote
    While working on his hi rise hotels.

    And as for the colored people
    Well we all know they hate his guts
    The burning of Christian church steeples
    Soon he’ll claim that he forgot.

    Now the polls all say he has the lead,
    He has few plans and much rhetoric
    El Chapo claims he wants him dead
    The country says he’s the best pick.

    So it comes to choosing a president.
    America has to make a wise decision.
    Who will we choose what’s your intent
    A business man or another politician?
    Prompt: Donald Trump for President…….. or Not?

  81. Fergus Pickering

    William McGonagall reincarnated. And he achieved a measure of fame – or was it infamy? Just imagine what he could have achieved by blogging?
    An early death by lynching, probably.

  82. And of course this from the leader of club 27

    (Writing about the migration crisis)

    Lyrics
    This is the end, beautiful friend
    This is the end, my only friend, the end
    Of our elaborate plans, the end
    Of everything that stands, the end
    No safety or surprise, the end
    I’ll never look into your eyes, again

    Can you picture what will be, so limitless and free
    Desperately in need, of some, stranger’s hand
    In a, desperate land

    Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain
    And all the children are insane, all the children are insane
    Waiting for the summer rain, yeah
    There’s danger on the edge of town
    Ride the King’s highway, baby
    Weird scenes inside the gold mine
    Ride the highway west, baby
    Ride the snake, ride the snake
    To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
    The snake is long, seven miles

    Ride the snake, he’s old, and his skin is cold
    The west is the best, the west is the best
    Get here, and we’ll do the rest
    The blue bus is callin’ us, the blue bus is callin’ us
    Driver, where you taken us

    The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on
    He took a face from the ancient gallery
    And he walked on down the hall

    He went into the room where his sister lived, and, then he
    Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
    He walked on down the hall, and
    And he came to a door, and he looked inside
    Father, yes son, I want to kill you
    Mother, I want to, fuck you

    C’mon baby, take a chance with us
    C’mon baby, take a chance with us
    C’mon baby, take a chance with us

    And meet me at the back of the blue bus
    Doin’ a blue rock, on a blue bus
    Doin’ a blue rock, c’mon, yeah
    Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill
    This is the end, beautiful friend

    This is the end, my only friend, the end
    It hurts to set you free
    But you’ll never follow me
    The end of laughter and soft lies
    The end of nights we tried to die
    This is the end

    Also Bruce W. Franklin, Eric Wagner, Rick J. Wartell

  84. Redwood’s article precisely represents what is wrong with modern politicians and their politics, especially of the Euro kind.

    http://commentcentral.co.uk/the-commission-views-populism-as-a-crime/

    Juncker’s view that he has to prepare a plan for the shape of society to close the gap between the public and governments is pure left wing statist bollocks. Those clowns really do believe that they are there to shape and control society rather than just to represent the people in it. It’s almost corporate, the idea that a “management board” is responsible for the “success” of an enterprise by directing it, the enterprise in Juncker’s case being a vision of society tailored to his political preferences and prejudices. Even Livingstone re-gurgitated that sort of nonsense on This Week by talking about the manufacturing industry as though it was a government product to be shaped and manipulated by idiots like him It was like the Twix advert but instead of two factories both making Twix there was an expensive to run government “factory” duplicating everything, interfering and cocking things up because they are essentially lawyer-based and don’t have a clue about the means of production, incentives, freedom to operate or cost effectiveness.

    Populism is simply an output of the uncontrolled, evolving of society and in the past used to drive politics. Populism won elections. Why has it suddenly become a leftist statist hate word? Because they no longer want their power to be dependent on the populace.

    From free society comes enterprise and productivity, best allowed to thrive with the least amount of state involvement and interference. Now politics wants to drive society and to scorn populism as some kind of aberration. The creation of an unelected, left wing, politicised elite within society, mostly taxpayer funded, has been very dangerous and regressive for democracy and freedom. It’s like a great big ugly growth diverting effort into a totally unproductive, self-sustaining and ultimately debilitating parasite. The best thing our lawyered-up political control freaks can do is to get out of the way.

    On QT last night we got a good dose of leftist statist bollocks from Lamb (a “liberal democrat” – ha!), Kendall the mouse that squeaked and the cat-faced communist horror Lucas who actually whinged about the Tories “rolling back the state” (if only!). There was not a shred of humility from any of them. They were in charge and all the answers could only come from them. Kendall, who was like a British Home Stores departmental middle manager, hogged most of the programme with her interminable Labour navel gazing as though she was the Labour party and the Labour party was her. Tribal, quasi-religious cultism! She was in the deep end demonstrating how out of her depth she was, a third rate non-entity in a third rate party in a third rate Parliament engaged in less than convincing linguistic gymnastics as to how she was going to manage to stick to her principles at the same time as continuing to enjoy the fruits of an MP’s career. She should probably take some lessons from Burnham who has conveniently submerged and is off the sonar until it is apparent where his “loyalty” needs pinning. It was obvious that the audience was seeded with trot activist loons so there was a BBC action reply of the “tensions within the Labour party” as the entryist communists in the audience took on the mediocre Blair has-been on the panel and both tried to pretend that 1997-2010 was somehow not connected to a left wing Labour government.

    I wish Fergus would write a poem about how Labour who are the problem and have caused them all keep trying to re-invent themselves as the solution. It’s like an arsonist burning down a house and then insisting that he is the only person qualified and capable of re-building it.

  85. I watched QT, and both the vile, motor-mouth Lucas and the idiot Lamb had the sheer effrontery to state, individually, that they “respected the decision by the electorate on 23rd June” BUT we should still have a second referendum. The sheer bloody nerve of these two reptiles defies belief.

    Thank God for Julia Hartley-Brewer and Jacob Rees-Mogg, the two voices of sense, sanity and reason.

  86. The Express is delivering some very ‘interesting’ news items:

    Arch-federalist Schultz issues THREAT to VETO Brexit deal if he doesn’t get what HE wants
    BRUSSELS parliament chief Martin Schulz this afternoon threatened to veto any future Brexit deal if he does not get what he wants out of the negotiations.
    The eurocrat made the outspoken remarks as he warned British politicians not to try and sideline meddling MEPs in a fiery speech to students in London.

    Taking the podium at the London School of Economics (LSE), the Brussels bigwig reaffirmed his commitment to the principle of ‘no negotiation without notification’ having previously urged Theresa May to get on with triggering Article 50.

    In a rambling, often incoherent speech Mr Schulz made almost no attempt to understand or explain Brexit, instead bizarrely arguing that democracy is a “threat” to the future of the EU.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/713714/Brexit-EU-Parliament-Martin-Schulz-veto-deal-Britain-speech-LSE-Theresa-May

    And the Continentals still wonder why we are leaving! 🙂

  87. 0936
    Apologies to Frank but I draw you back to my story of August 12th, 2016 – 09:04

    “I understand your perspective but let me tell you a story. A few years ago I was a member of a sports club where cheques were being stolen (thinned out) from cheque books in lockers. One of our members was “reported to look like someone shifty” who had been seen hanging around. The member was lifted off the road on his way to the club and taken down to the local nick but not charged. When released that evening he looked worse for wear and had, amongst other things, obvious bruising on his face. Incensed he went to a local solicitor who told him to cool it because they would say he had fallen down stairs.”

    Sad to say that the agenda of the Police and their masters has always been their own.

  88. Romano Verdi (18:50)

    Why apologise to me? A second hand anecdote without knowing the actual circumstances, or the individuals allegedly involved (victims, witnesses, suspect or the police officers) is the basis for what thesis?

    As for your last sentence, it is a facile generalisation and quite obviously complete bollocks. Moreover in the context of the Colonel’s post at 09:36 it is a non sequitur.

    The Colonel was discussing politics and the politicisation of the police for ideological advance and the corruption of the ethos of policing by consent, which obtained for many decades and worked very well on the whole.

    If your friend was roughed up by rogue cops, he should have pursued it and not taken the advice of a sloppy shyster whose advice was outrageous if the complaint wasa true bill.

    Did the thieving stop after the alleged incident you describe (for the second time)? If not, what steps were taken and what was the upshot?

    Just sayin’ …

  89. Frank P – 22:16, Romano Verdi -18:50

    Just a few points of concern regarding the, ahem, anecdote…

    “A few years ago”: Are we talking 1930s/40s/50s/60s/70s?

    “sports club”: Football/Cricket/Squash/Tennis/Athletics/Croquet/Gym?

    “cheques/cheque books”: nobody has carried them since the late 80s, FFS. They were replaced by plastic. eg Debit Cards(formerly Switch) Visa, Mastercard (formerly Access) etc. I would expect someone belonging to a grand sounding “sports club” to carry nothing less than Amex or Diners Club!

    “someone looking shifty”: No doubt at least 50% of the membership of all the above.

    “lifted off the road on his way to the club”: Foggy night, country road, dazzling lights, X-Files territory, UFO?

    “taken down to the local nick”: Nicks are local anymore, they’ve been closing them, “streamlining” them (if not the overweight coppers), for some years now.

    “fell down the stairs”: Do the “custody suites” in the new centralised nicks have stairs?

    “the agenda of the Police and their masters has always been their own”: Who else’s agenda would/should they be following? Weight Watchers? The Women’s Institute?

  92. “Edward Snowden has warned people not to use Google’s new chat app, because it lets the company read everything that they say.

    Google has finally released its new chat app after showing it off over the summer. It comes with a robot that watches everything people say and then stores it for later analysis, using that data to improve the app itself.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/google-allo-should-be-deleted-and-never-used-says-edward-snowden-a7320861.html

  93. I’m amazed that point 8 in that list wasn’t the odd situation of the BBC reporter saying live that building 7 had collapsed when you could clearly see it standing in the background behind her.
    That’s being on top of the story .
    Anyway, it did a wonderful job of going down neatly at free fall speed and fell into its own footprint.
    Move along, nothing to see here .
    Personally, I think it was steel eating fairys.
    British layland cars used to suffer the same fate, they obviously had an infestation in their factories they couldn’t get rid of.

  94. Malfleur 7.16
    And for those of us just using our iPhones and iPads, this from Eduserve:

    Google and Apple and the Latest Privacy Concerns

    In separate developments both Google and Apple are facing new privacy probes by the government. In Google’s case, both the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and a European effort led by the French Commission Nationale de L’Informatique et des Libertes (CNIL) are investigating the company for bypassing users’ privacy settings on their Apple Safari browser. The Wall Street Journal reported in February that Google was installing cookies on devices even if the person had set the device to block this type of tracking. Once contacted by the newspaper, Google did report that it had stopped the practice.

    The FTC is investigating whether Google violated its recent settlement with the government in which Google pledged “not to ‘misrepresent’ its privacy practices to consumers.” If found liable for this violation, Google could face fines of $16,000 per day, per violation. The key here is whether or not it can be proved that Google was acting intentionally or inadvertently.

    The CNIL has added the Safari circumvention to its existing investigation into Google’s recent changes to its privacy policy. It is important to note that the CNIL has already fined Google the equivalent of $130,960 for collecting personal information for its Street View service.

    As for Apple, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) and Rep. G.K. Butterfield (D-NC) have requested a briefing with the company regarding its privacy policies for mobile device applications. Apple has already responded to questions from these members, but the Congressmen were not satisfied. “The March 2 reply we received from Apple does not answer a number of the questions we raised about the company’s efforts to protect the privacy and security of its mobile device users,” they wrote. They remain concerned that apps on the iPhone and iPad are able to access users’ address books without their consent. Apple changed its policy to require that third-party apps receive explicit user approval before accessing their address books after receiving the initial letter from Reps. Waxman and Butterfield.

    EDUCAUSE will continue to monitor and report on these issues.

  95. EC
    Sorry, I was not trying to be obtuse:

    Our rugby club was far from grand and based on work, our local nick being Rochester Row which you are quite correct was merged into a bigger nick, I think in Belgravia(!) in 93.

    I give you my next experience: Another member of the same club was at a then first division (pre 1992) football match queuing outside with his father. Louts from Fulham turned up with the predictable result. Friends father was literally picked up and thrown against the turnstile wall by attending police sustaining bruises for which he was seen at Charing Cross Hospital. Said father complained but was told to cool it lest he be charged with some public order offence or other.

    I told my tale on August 12 in support of Tommy Robinson in his latest fracas.

    I love the police dearly but am not attracted to the Dixon of Dock Green times. Or the Sweeney or the West Midlands Crime Squad.

  96. I see Ted Cruz has now endorsed Trump citing the dangers Clinton poses to both America and world peace.

  97. Meanwhile good news for us all on the day of Corbyn’s Foot style coronation:

    “Exclusive BMG Research polling for The Independent reveals almost half of the unskilled workers and manual labourers that Mr Corbyn needs in order to become Prime Minister regard him as incompetent and incapable of being Prime Minister.

  98. Finally, according to a government website:

    Some 11 million of the people currently living in Germany were actually born elsewhere. In other words, over one in eight members of the German population is an immigrant. The proportion is even higher among the working population, where one in seven is originally from another country. All in all, one in five people in Germany has a migrant background.

  100. Romano Verdi – 07:46

    “Tempus, fuggit!”
    Mohamed Abdel Moneim Al-Fayed

    We’ve never put up with any nonsense at The Den. From anybody, ever.

    “It was twenty years ago today,
    Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play,
    They’ve been going in and out of style
    But they’re guaranteed to raise a smile.
    So may I introduce to you
    The act you’ve known for all these years
    Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band.”
    Fregus Pickering

    So, Gus, that makes it either 1947 or 1996 then, eh?

  101. Romano Verdi – 08:00

    Re: alles über Deutschland, Deutschland, der Untergang , Teil 2
    usw.

    Thilo Sarrazin, a retired senior bankster, has been writing books on this topic for years. For his time and trouble, he got blackballed by Merkel, and then vilified by political cabal and the media. They’ve been desperately trying ignore him but he won’t go away and keeps getting his books published!

    Hence: Pegida, and Alternative für Deutschland!

    see:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thilo-Sarrazin/e/B001K1ORRK/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_2?qid=1474708096&sr=8-2

    I don’t think that they’ve been translated into English, but the titles, loosely translated are: (most recent first)

    “Wishful thinking: Europe, Currency, education, immigration – why politics so often fails”

    “Germany abolishes itself: How we put our country at risk”

    “The new virtue Terror: About the limits of free speech in Germany”

    “Europe does not need the EURO”

    “The Euro: Opportunity or adventure?”

  102. Noa – 09:45

    🙂
    I’ve been thinking of starting a campaign and petition:

    “Free Gus Pickering” (*)

    Do you think that it’d gain traction/have legs/there’d be any mileage in it?
    (*) he’s been in captivity (by Uno Hu) longer than Terry Waite, I reckon. Or am I just starting another conspiracy theory?

  106. I have been emailing this little story to Remainiacs all week and posting it on chatboards. And before it, I preface it with this question. I ask merely: Why do you want to stay in EU yet you still support Jeremy Corbyn, the high priest of eurosceptics?

    BREXIT’S SECRET WEAPON? CORBYN

    As a lifelong Left-wing Euro-sceptic, Jeremy Corbyn was an unlikely addition to the Remain campaign.

    In fact, he was strong-armed into it. It was only when shadow Foreign Secretary Hilary Benn threatened him with a Cabinet walkout that the Labour leader folded, accepting he’d have to go with the majority in the party.

    ‘His “road to Brussels” conversion convinced no one,’ says a campaign figure.

    Indeed, when they thought they could get away with it, the leadership actively encouraged Eurosceptic elements in the party ranks.

    At the Scottish Labour Party conference in Perth in October 2015, Corbyn and shadow Chancellor John McDonnell paid a visit to an exhibition stand held by the Scottish branch of Labour Leave.

    According to someone present, the shadow Chancellor put his arm on the shoulder of former Edinburgh South MP Nigel Griffiths and told him to ‘keep up the good work, mate’.

    Had this exchange been exposed at the time, it would have provoked a furious
    back-lash from Labour activists and MPs — and been a source of extreme embarrassment for the party leadership.

    On top of that, one of the most senior Labour MPs to back Brexit told colleagues that he frequently received messages of congratulations during the campaign from several shadow Cabinet ministers.

    ‘That was a great speech, mate,’ one shadow Cabinet member told him.

    Another remarked: ‘It is so important that Labour has a robust Out campaign.’
    Brendan Chilton, Labour Leave’s chief executive, believes Corbyn’s lacklustre campaigning worked in Leave’s favour.

    ‘Every one of Jeremy Corbyn’s interventions in the campaign, we considered helpful to us,’ he says.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3801172/From-cocky-jokes-calamity-Dave-s-big-gamble-blew-face-Told-newly-updated-biography-inside-story-Cameron-s-downfall-LORD-ASHCROFT-ISABEL-OAKESHOTT.html

    Secret congratulations, eh?

    Well, anyway, I ask these people who were – and still are – evangelical about the EU, while still believing Jeremy Cobblers is the messiah about this contradiction in terms in their thinking, and the answer I get is: silence.

    All that I can surmise is that they are embarrassed by their own historical and political illiteracy and their own downright stupidity and hypocrisy.

    I will rub their noses in this at every opportunity I get.

  107. Just as I thought, the elite’s big project post Brexit is to try to wipe out UKIP. Big Media has gone back to its tactic of giving UKIP next to no coverage and Theresa May is busy pretending she will enact all the things UKIP supporters want. Jam tomorrow, eh, Theresa? Heard it all before:

    Theresa May aims to kill off Ukip by giving it everything it wants

    Asa Bennett

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/23/theresa-may-aims-to-kill-off-ukip-by-giving-it-everything-it-wan/

  108. I am trying not to be complacent but with each day that passes, I cannot see how Donald Trump cannot become president. How many more terror attacks does the USA need? And as to the events in North Carolina, this was a black man shot by a black police officer. That whole Black Lives Matter movement is as phony as it looks.

    How much more of this can America take?

    I have always been fascinated by Henry Kissinger, one of the most evil men on the planet. A man who views ‘grunts’ as expendable. They are little people to be sent off in stupid wars. His influence over misguided US foreign policy has extended well beyond his term in office. He was in the shadows during Bush’s disastrous tenure as president and this week I found out that the Clintons regularly spend Christmas with Kissinger. Republican or Democrat, Kissinger always has the ear of power. And he pours nothing but purest political poison into it.

    Decades of misguided foreign policy has led to neglect at home in the US and the barbarians entering the gate. Kissinger is like Blair, a Voldemort who never dies. America needs a president who is not going to kowtow to that man’s ideological filth. Kissinger has been a viper in America’s bosom all his life. He protests his love for the country while smashing it to pieces in secret.

    My fear is if the USA does not vote for somebody not from Washington’s political cartel now, then when?

  109. I keep looking at the differences between Brexit and Trump and I come up with two big ones. One is an entire political agenda as opposed to a single question. The other is that every mainstream commentator with more than two brain cells (Left or Right) argued for Leave. The EU is a disgusting affront to democracy. Why be party pris about it? It was only the Remainiacs who tried to imply Leavers were Oswald Moseley Mark II, purely because they are disgusting.

    Trump cannot count on any support from any mainstream commentators. But this is where I think the constitution is doing its job. It is very difficult to hardwire the safety of a country in one document but two things, the right to bear arms and the right to free speech (they are both intimately linked in the way they secure freedom from the state) are why I think Trump will win. Yes, he lacks support from any mainstream media pundits but I think freedom of speech as conferred upon the little people by the Founding Fathers all those years ago is what is going to over-ride the media. It’s why Britain is in such a whole. It has abolished both of those two freedoms that are the lifeblood of America.

    As the Brexit rowback continues, I think we will have to look to other countries to finish the EU off (Italy, perhaps) and to America for salvation. In their mind’s eye all those years ago, the Founding Fathers got this one spot on. Freedom of speech. That is what will come crashing down on the spiteful Big Media pundits on November 8. It is so much more difficult to do in Britain. But in America, there, I believe, hardwired into the country’s soul, is the answer to all the propaganda filth they have endure on TV.

    They unlike the British proletariat, can say, yeah, well, you know what I think? Well, you’re not going to stop me from saying it.

    By contrast, Britain has a thought police stasi led by Baroness Chakrabarti.

  111. Malfleur @ 07:16

    It’s not what google stores, Malfeur, it’s what stored by ‘others’ we don’t know about.

  112. When Keith Vaz announced on BBC News 24 at 5am on the morning of 24th June that he had received ‘a crushing blow’, was he referring to a rent boy clenching his teeth? Or to Brexit?

    I am also now confused. Hillary Clinton is bringing along a Cuban to sit in the front row of the first presidental debate. Was it the same one that Bill Clinton used inside Monica Lewinsky’s rima?

    Oh, Hillary, you and Bill have so many skeletons in the closet, you make Sweeney Todd and Mrs Moffet look like amateurs. Oh, look, who Trump has in the front row. One of Bill’s old bits on the side. One of Bill’s old shags and one of Bill’s old sex toys. I’m enjoying this debate before it’s even started.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3805768/Trump-threatens-invite-Bill-Clinton-s-mistress-Gennifer-Flowers-debate-Hillary-choose-dopey-billionaire-Mark-Cuban-row.html

  113. A fascinating headline from the Times, pre-Brexit, dated 13 April. Headline reads:

    Corbyn explains why he switched to Remain

    [This is how Corbyn spins the dirty deal of Hilary Benn demanding he support Remain or he leads a mass walkout]

    Jeremy Corbyn will tell of his “personal journey” tomorrow from opposing to supporting membership of the EU.

    [But this paragraph here is just stunning]

    Seumas Milne, Mr Corbyn’s director of strategy and communications, has urged the Labour leader to give as little backing to the In campaign as possible, according to senior figures in the party. Joining a coalition that includes Mr Cameron, George Osborne and the CBI could only undermine Mr Corbyn’s image as a campaigner against elites, Mr Milne is said to have argued.

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/corbyn-explains-why-he-switched-to-remain-pwnq6b85f

    And yet when I put this to Corbyn supporters they lose their tongue. Why?

  115. A Brexit diary has appeared from Camoron’s spin doctor in which – despite the author’s best efforts to character assassinate him, Michael Gove emerges as the only person with any credit:

    “Oliver Letwin considered what would happen in a Conservative leadership election. He thought it would include Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove in a competition on who could be the most ‘Leavist’, with Gove the only one who really believed it.”

    And that home truth that the Corbyn lot can’t deal with is also in there:

    “Worse, the current leaders of the Left – Jeremy Corbyn and Nicola Sturgeon – seemed at best equivocal and sometimes actively hostile to our campaign.”

    That was a home truth that the Remainiac mainstream media could never cope with. The idea that mainstream politicians also hated the EU would have legitimised the Leaver campaign, so the mainstream media – despite knowing this fact – chose to ignore it.

    It’s great to read how upset and in tears they all were on the day. Cameron and his crew make me sick to my back teeth. Always will. Six years of tomfoolery and they weep when they are booted out? Get lost.

    The arrogance of Camoron in this diary is breathtaking. He didn’t win a majority for the first five years and got away with everything by blaming the Clegglet. And then he only won a second time because people who would have voted UKIP were scared by the Daily Mail that Ed Miliband might win (he would not have). Why does Cameron think he was a great prime minister?

    I sense from this diary are real loathing for Michael Gove. It is because Gove is what I would term an intellectual populist? His views on everything from terrorism, education, law and order and immigration all chime with the public’s. They are all genuine views, not faked. And he puts them articulately.

    But because the Tory party is as thick as mince, it cannot see that and ditched him. The way I see it, he was the only decent one of them. His views are authentic.

    No, I will never, ever vote Tory again (I have not for more than three decades). It is UKIP for me. Gove may have changed my mind to vote Tory but not the rest of them. When people know his views and read his books, their opinion of him seems to solidify firmly in his favour.

    It may come as news to Camoron’s spin doctor but Michael Gove’s role in life is not to lick the boots of Eton boy Cameron.

    Grudgingly, Craig Oliver admits to Gove’s ‘brilliance’ and ‘poison’. Oh yes, when Gove put the boot in, he always picked the weakest spot.

    Sadly, Gove’s moment has gone and he will never be leader. But the Tory Party will regret over-looking him. He should really defect to UKIP rather than be left to waste away on the Tory backbenches.

    The spin doctor keeps complaining that Gove’s wife told Camoron that Gove would be a Remainer. What the bloody hell else was she supposed to say to a prime minister with whom she is spending Christmas? Cause a massive row and say: ‘No, David, Michael hates the EU, let’s pull a cracker.’ FFS.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3805977/How-Theresa-torpedoed-Cameron-Boris-Johnson-said-Leave-LOSE-Explosive-new-book-No10-reveals-inside-story-Brexit.html

  117. Declan
    Yep.
    But:
    1. He is an immigrant.
    2. He is a Muslim.
    Think Cologne and then walk up the Edgeware Road from Marble Arch and ask yourself whether we should not trigger Article 50 now and immediately pass a law suspending free movement.

  118. Jeano 0035
    In exchange for my email address into the Murdoch computer, I read this tripe and I now only have one more article that they will let me read!

  119. We-ell, following this morning’s trawl through the newspaper headlines, I’m wondering why too many people, whose moments have passed, can’t understand that it’s time to STFU!
    Are they too thick to see that those they reference are, by their silence, showing that it’s the right thing to do!

  120. EC

    The real Fergus and I used to exchange amiable insults about the real number of sexual deviates in the UK. He would claim 10% of the population were buggers and such, despite the ONS published figure of 1%.
    Such things are possibly calculated differently in the Socialist Republic of Scotland and the clubs and banelieus of Westminster than they are in the real world, where the non sequiter of ‘Gay Pride’ is considered to be the preserve of the expenses and trouser fiddling preseve of local and national politicians.
    Perhaps we need a campaign for real poetry rather than for the relaease of Gussie from his Smoking Room gusset.
    To all such would-be practitioners of the rhyming cutlet on the Wall I recommend the following, before setting chisel to slate:
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Idiots-Guide-Writing-Poetry/dp/0028641418

  122. Hi Romano, I’m sorry I didn’t mean for people to read the whole thing behind a paywall! I only wanted people to see that one paragraph. I think it’s very important to expose the Corbynistas at every opportunity and the easiest way to do that is through exposing their hypocrisy. Please do rub their noses in it, Andrew Neather style. They want to rub my nose in it, I’ going to rub their nose in it. All day, every day.

    This is not some trivial hypocrisy. It is absolutely to key the way these people spend all day every day trying to brow beat others with virtue signalling. As soon as they declare they are either a Corbyn supporter, I want to know if they are a Remainiac (they nearly always are) and as soon as I know someone is a Remainiac I want to they are a Corbyn supporters.

    From that point on, I’ve got them. They have lost the debate. I merely have to ask why they love the EU when Corbyn hates it. That’s why I keep a dossier on this. You cannot love Corbyn and the EU without being made to look a fool, so I don’t want to lose the opportunity to make those people look like that.

    The mainstream media knows this but because it was pro-EU, it will not mock these pro-EU Corbynistas. It will not ask them about this gaping contradiction in their presentation of themselves.

    There is a whole episode of Have I Got News For You or Radio 4’s The News Quiz to be made from this one subject but because those programmes are pro Corbyn and pro EU, they mock Farage instead.

    Interestingly, the Times paywall is very close to coming down. Murdoch put up a paywall on The Sun and The Times, but it backfired because the Mail scooped up all the Sun readers that didn’t want to pay for The Sun and The Sun lost lots of advertising revenue. That’s why the paywall was taken down off The Sun and it’s now free again.

    The staff at The Times want their paywall to come down too because they get so few readers but the Dirty Digger is holding out. This is the thing, if people refuse to pay for these news websites, they soon become free again.

  123. This is my crib sheet for the next two years and I believe can win me all the debates I want to win (I want Brexit):

    1) To Corbyn himself – you are a hypocrite about the EU, why did you pretend to like it in the referendum? I insist you are louder about your dislike of it.

    2) To Corbyn supporters – how can you say you want a second referendum when your leader hated the EU for 35 years, campaigned against it in 1975 and on 24 June said Article 50 should be invoked immediately? You are hypocrite.

    3) To Theresa May and her supporters – what’s the delay with invoking Article 50? The Leader Of Her Majesty’s Opposition called for Article 50 to be invoked immediately on June 24 hours after the result so why the excuses for delay?

    There is no obstacle in Parliament. Or were you hoping for a Leader of the opposition who supported the EU and that was going to give you an excuse not to invoke Article 50? That’s what you were secretly hoping, Theresa. I know you.

    4) To Tim Farrron and all the LibDems – why the hell are you demanding a second referendum when the Leader of the opposition – who campaigned for Remain – has said he vote must be respected and Article 50 invoked immediately?

    Jeremy Corbyn is the ultimate all-purpose debating tool when debating Brexit.

    You simply start off by using Jeremy Corbyn’s hypocrisy to defeat the man himself, then you move on to his supporters in the Labor party, then you move on to the Tories, then you move on to the Lib Dems.

    Why is wanting the leave the EU so beyond the pale? Mr Corbyn made it respectable for 35 years. And what’s the delay in invoking Article 50? You’re pushing at an open door, Theresa. There is no opposition. He’s said invoke, so why don’t you?

    Follow that crib sheet and it’s game, set and match to Vote Leave.

  124. The whole point about Brexit and Trump and indeed much of the Western world’s problems with free speech is that mainstream media works to delegitimise certain points of view

    What they have taken out of debate (by deliberately never drawing attention to things like Corbyn’s hatred of the EU), opponents must work to put back into debate. Let’s legitimise this Brexit point of view. And the easiest way to do that is with Corbyn’s hypocrisy.

    The easiest way to win a political debate is to go for the opponent’s Achilles’ heel and stamp on it. Again and again and again. Everybody in Big Media knows this so they spend lots of time not talking about the elephants in the room.

    Talking of which, we all know Hillary’s Achilles’ heels – which the MSM assiduously ignores and instead spends all its time trying to delegitimise Trump. So Donald, I hope you’re going to bring into the living rooms of America, things to make you go ‘yuk’ when discussing Hillary Clinton. That would be my tactic. Talk about what the mainstream media never talks about. It will be new to a lot of viewers and no matter how much practise she’s had, she won’t be used to it. Goad, goad, goad her!!

  125. Noa September 25th, 2016 – 11:03

    All the ridiculous “Je Suis Charlie” Euro-politicians are now expressing their belief in freedom of expression with a “but . . . “.

    Meanwhile they are busy extending the criteria for “hate speech” way beyond actual incitement to hatred. Blair, who was responsible for the 2006 bad law, had his bloodstained hands all over this creeping intrusion as recently as last year:-

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2015/06/tony-blair-religion-and-free-speech

    http://ectr.eu/ectr-news/tony-blair-appointed-chairman-of-european-council-on-tolerance-and-reconciliation

    “The ECTR is an opinion-making and advisory body on international tolerance promotion, reconciliation and education, and fosters understanding and tolerance among peoples of various communities, educates towards techniques of reconciliation, facilitates post-conflict social apprehensions, monitors racism, anti-Semitism and xenophobia and proposes pro-tolerance initiatives and legal solutions. Among its prominent members are Jose María Aznar, former Prime Minister of Spain, Göran Persson, former Prime Minister of Sweden, Vaira Vike-Freiberga, former President of Latvia and Rita Süssmuth, former Speaker of the German Bundestag. ”

    Not one of them elected by anyone and their “appointment” process less than transparent. “Proposes legal solutions” is the most chilling part of this cabal’s usurpation of the representation of people by elected governments. England has a long tradition of absolute freedom of speech with existing law to prohibit incitement to violence, but the only Englishman in that Euro-cabal is Blair and he is the man who was responsible for destroying that tradition.

    Is an articulation of dislike now an incitement to hatred? Seems to depend on what is disliked. Older, white men can be publicly abused as “pale, male and stale” by the politicians themselves – hardly a term of affection.

    All the politicians involved in this abuse of freedom and all the unelected politicised public sector stooges enforcing their bad law should be ashamed of themselves. They created this situation and only they are responsible for feelings being expressed about it.

  127. Radford NG

    The NYT has been one continuous endorsement of the Clinton Crooks since she announced her intention to run last year. They are the primary agitprop arm of her campaign, having already endorsed Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, since he penned them. Having not been around in Gramsci’s day, but I suspect a search of their archive would reveal that they espoused the Eyetie cripples game plan too.

    A somewhat superfluous announcement on their part, don’t you think?

  129. Redford/Stephen

    And just to illustrate the tenor of that New York Times endorsement, this from the Leader today

    “Over 40 years in public life, Hillary Clinton has studied these forces and weighed responses to these problems. Our endorsement is rooted in respect for her intellect, experience, toughness and courage over a career of almost continuous public service.”

  136. A very good post at ConHome, by itdoesntaddup, amongst others:
    Cameron is attempting to blame his colleagues for his failed EU renegotiation

    Cameron’s big mistake was to treat EU renegotiation like a PPE essay for a Vernon Bogdanor tutorial. If he had been serious about it, he would have set up a special Whitehall department – the Renegotiation Department – whose job it would have been to collate input from across the Civil Service and representations from the public via consultations as to what might be included in a renegotiation. Each Department would have been tasked with supplying input. The FCO would have had the added task of assessing how EU governments and the Commission would respond.

    After the consultation and information gathering phase, the new department would then have examined the options, including an assessment of the effects of leaving the EU and gaining additional freedom should it be likely that the EU would reject a particular idea, and beginning to assemble a picture of what an overall exit negotiation alternative might look like. The blueprint (less the detail on assessment of EU reactions) could have been published as a white paper, for public debate and debate in Parliament. It would thus have sought a negotiating mandate, with a clear authorisation to put the outcome to the people in a binding referendum that would provoke an Article 50 declaration. The negotiation would not have been conducted by Cameron, but instead by a professional team from the Renegotiation Department.

    Then when the EU failed to live up to making the necessary reforms we would already have had a Brexit negotiation well lined up, and a sure knowledge that the best possible attempt had been made to persuade the EU to change. It would have been entirely obvious to Cameron which option to support, and he would then have been in a position to secure the support of the country for it.

    He was utterly foolish to think that he could just whip up a few paragraphs in time for the tutorial and submit them to Merkel and expect an alpha plus. Quite rightly, Merkel graded him gamma minus.

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/09/cameron-is-attempting-to-blame-his-colleagues-for-his-failed-eu-renegotiation.html

  137. RobertRetyred – 09:41
    Here is another, by marksl:
    The comparison of Cameron’s approach to renegotiation with a PPE essay set by Cameron’s old Professor, Vernon Bogdanor, is amusing.
    Cameron didn’t need a Renegotiation Department to invent too much, had he set one up after winning the General Election in 2015. The work on what was needed was done by the ‘EU Fresh Start’ group of Conservative and some other MPs, co-ordinated by Andrea Leadsom. This presented a set of reforms of the EU that if achieved would have made continuing UK membership a sound strategy. It was DC’s and his team’s decision to ignore EU Fresh Start and bodge up a weak set of essentially presentational changes that was fatal.

    See http://www.eufreshstart.co.uk

    AL has cleverly left ‘EU Frest Start’ up on the internet, so we can see what the UK should have set out to achieve had it wanted to remain in the EU.

  140. Colonel Mustard
    An excerpt from the preface of the manual for governments and their progressive nomenklatura on ‘hate crime’.

    “1. A Comprehensive Approach to Hate Crimes
    Hate crime laws are only one of many tools that states can use in the fight against hate crimes.
    There are many other aspects to a comprehensive national programme to com- bat bias-motivated violence, including education, outreach and training.
    Specific steps would include:
    • training criminal justice personnel on how to investigate hate crimes,
    work with victims, and prosecute cases;
    • collecting accurate data on crimes with a bias motive, regardless of wheth-
    er such crimes are prosecuted as hate crimes;
    • providing for redress in civil anti-discrimination law;
    • establishing anti-discrimination bodies with mandates to support victims
    of hate crime and discrimination;
    • reaching out to communities and fostering relationships between law
    enforcement and community groups so that victims feel confident to
    report crimes; and
    • educating the public (especially young people) on tolerance and non-
    discrimination.
    ODIHR provides tools that can support states in each of these activities, and is able to assist in many ways to help make hate crime laws effective. Details of current assistance programmes are included in Part III, under “ODIHR’s Hate Crime Toolbox for participating States” and “ODIHR’s Hate Crime Toolbox for Civil Society”.

    http://www.osce.org/odihr/36426?download=true

  141. Stephen Maybery @ 09:22

    It’s just a rhetorical question, Stephen, right?

    The Saudis can get away with anything, will never be criticised, only helped because they’re our friends. The Russians aren’t. It’s that simple.

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