The Coffee House Wall – 1st/7th July

Posted on July 1, 2013

This is the Coffee House Wall for this week. I won’t say that it is your chance to communicate with us, as we are all in this together. It is, nevertheless, the Conservative Blog post that has no particular theme, and where everything is on topic. Let’s just remember that we want to avoid ad hominem attacks on others. We don’t want to engage with trolls. We want to moderate our language ourselves as responsible and mature adults, choosing to use fruity language only where it is necessary. This is our opportunity to show what the Spectator Coffee House Wall could have been like.

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243 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 1st/7th July”

  2. Do click yourselves over to Boot’s Bistro, read his latest post and join him in consuming a Beefburger made from a mixture of ingredients that include HM Chancellor of the Exchequer’s sweetbreads. We may as well all start the week
    off with a chuckle …

    http://alexanderboot.com/content/notes-hmg-loony-bin

    … because I have a feeling that things will get steadily worse as the week progresses.

  4. Doreen Lawrence , has, once more been doing the rounds of the great and the appalling. Ne’er a word of dissent at all this activity, after all the woman is the Madonna of the race relations industry and beyond criticism, well not from me. Mrs. Lawrence has suffered the worst bereavement of all, the death of a child and such pain will never dilute. My point is that many other women have suffered such a loss, especially via Afghanistan, but they do not make a religion of their loss nor spend twenty years trying to stuff our gullets with a guilt our commentariate are so eager to take on board.

    All this bitterness is nurtured by an intrinsic hatred of England and her people and a desire to inflict damage on us. The Macpherson report tore the Police to shreds with the result that they are so petrified od being accused of racism that Pakistanis are allowed to rape young girls with impunity and one of the great bulwarks of our liberty, the law covering double jeopardy has been consigned to history, all to slake one woman’s thirst for vengeance. If the Police were monitoring the Lawrence family they were only doing their duty considering the agitation of that family was stirring up. Mrs. Lawrence should pack up her resentments and take them back to where hence she came from.

    As an aside, I checked out the website for the Stephen Lawrence foundation, but do not think of trotting along to see what they could do for you, not if you are white Anglo-Saxon and Protestant as there is no room at the inn for suchlike. There are plenty of photos of the indoor areas, but they are empty of people, soul. Now why would that be do you think?

  5. All here are very aware that the ratchet of socialism and totalitarianism turns and clunks without interruption or political opposition or comment, but it has taken an especially nasty turn in The Peoples Republic of Wales. From now if you have the misfortune to die in Wales (and whether that is better or worse than actually living there is now open to a most serious debate), you will find that The State will intrude on you and your death in an even more invasive and specifically personal way than it does in your life. Yes. The State has decided that, using the vile concept of “presumed consent”, they can harvest your organs as they wish after your death.
    So, if anyone needed proof positive that Socialists care neither for the sanctity and integrity of the individual, here it is.
    Gone is the comfort of a personal altruistic generous decision, and replaced by a loved one being removed immediately from family care and consideration and given to nothing better than a State Meat Factory to supply organs demanded by another quota determined State Department.
    They say by this that the individual cannot or will not choose to do good of his own volition and indeed that the individual is only good for what The State determines and demands. And which MP or journalist will question this evil and rip off the fake cloak of “niceness” which protects it?

  6. stephen maybery – 14.10

    Notwithstanding your point about mothers coping without their dead sons via the Afghan adventure, what about all the other black boys who have been murdered in London since the Lawrence boy was killed? And we must be talking of hundreds!! Why does nobody talk to the mothers of these dead boys? Could it be that because they were killed by other black boys they don’t fit the anti-white agenda and no advantage can be taken of hitting us with the big-stick of racism? And I can’t help thinking it strange that the only picture used of the Lawrence boy is the one of him, it’s usually cropped to hide this, smirking and giving the Black Power salute? Isn’t this racist?

    Things can only get worse. Dear Oh Dear Oh Dear.

  7. Frank P, July 1st, 2013 – 13:22

    “I wonder – were they having sex on the bike? Or was it parked beneath?”

    Anybody seen Boris recently?

  8. Following Macpherson, an 800 year old law was changed to ensure successful prosecutions. Was that enough? No – the demands are never ending.

    Meanwhile, the following murders (1993 – 2004 only) never get a mention. Can’t imagine why:

    Fred Carter, 64, 1993, New Cross, South London.
    Mark Sharp, 39, 1993, Luton.
    Annie Castle, 74, 1993, Bethnal Green.
    Billy Bryan, 71, 1993, Bethnal Green.
    PC Patrick Dunne, 44, 1993, Clapham.
    Philip Gosling, 13, 1994, Birmingham.
    Emmanuel Hand, 35, 1994, Holloway Road.
    Richard Everitt, 15, 1994, Kings Cross.
    Leslie Watkinson, 66, 1994, Peckham.
    Frank Dempsey, 56, 1995, S London.
    PC Philip Walters, 28, 1995, Ilford.
    Thomas Kidd, 61, 1995, Tulse Hill.
    Michael Dooher, 19, 1995, Lichfield.
    Ted Howell, 75, 1995, Lewisham.
    Danny Westmacott, 16, 1996, Edmonton.
    Andrew Steventon, 17, 1996, Birmingham.
    Elizabeth Pinhorn, 96, 1997, Herne Hill.
    Nina MacKay, 25, 1997, Stratford.
    Louie Wade, 53, 1998, Newham.
    James McParland, 49, 1998, Burnley.
    Brian Harvey, 31, 1998, Walthamstow.
    Peter Harvey, 26, 1998, Walthamstow.
    Winifred Sills, 79, 2000, Manor Park.
    Elizabeth Amlot, 39, 2001, North London.
    Daisy Fenton, 88, 2001, South London.
    Rosie Ross, 16, 2001, Birmingham.
    Hilda Lockert, 86, 2001, Brixton.
    Anne Cypher, 42, 2001, Wandsworth.
    Amanda Clarke, 32, 2001, Wandsworth.
    Ross Parker, 17, 2001, Peterborough.
    Kevin Jackson, 31, 2002, Halifax.
    Anthony O’Brien, 24, 2002, Walworth.
    Owain Leeson, 17, 2002, Sheffield.
    Gavin Hopley, 19, 2002, Oldham.
    Kriss Donald, 15, 2004, Scotland.

  9. Colin, I pick one at random…

    Lord Tebbit asked Her Majesty’s Government:

    Whether the killing of Mr Leslie Watkinson, aged 66, near his home in Hooks Road, Peckham, on 9 December 1994, was classified as a racist crime.[HL2895]

    The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Office (Lord Bassam of Brighton): I understand from the commissioner that this incident was not classified as a racist crime.

  10. That would be the unsolved murder of a Former Salvation Army major who was killed for his pension by three black youths who ran away shouting “I bust his head”?

  13. Am I insensitive?

    Or might I be a closet racist?

    The reason that I ask is that I am fed up with hearing about Steven Lawrence, in particular I am fed up to the back teeth seeing and hearing the opinions of his brother and his father and if I never see or hear about his mother it will be a blessing.

  14. David Ossitt – 16.34

    It’s just like the 13 dead from Bloody Sunday – you’d think in 40 years of murder and mayhem in N. Ireland that they were the only victims.

  15. Racism is one way only. Remember the four Somali girls that assaulted a white girl while screaming ‘kill the white b****’ Turned out that was not a hate crime and the judge accepted their excuse that they were not used to being drunk.

    Would that work for other crimes? ‘Sorry your honour I was only drink driving because a was not used to drinking so much’

  16. MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD office in Cairo burned:Met investigating EDL involvement.[Info;numerous sources] (Warning; this posting may contain English irony.)

  17. I’ve been following the supposed attempted bombing of a mosque in Toxteth. Firstly nothing was said except that an explosive device had been found. Then that a controlled explosion had taken place. Then it transpires there were no explosive materials present and the suitcase (that was the suspicious device) had been left by a black man from Brazil. Some of those at the mosque said the man had expressed a wish to become a Muslim while others thought he might have been leaving clothes for their charity.

    Looking at some Muslim sites I discovered they were reporting a tall white man had left an explosive device. I wonder why they would want to spread misinformation?

  18. IRISHBOY@July 1st, 2013 – 14:21

    That is because plod cant stop and search black kids, who are most likely to be carrying firearms or knives, because that would be racist. So people die to preserve PC.

  19. IRISHBOY July 1st, 2013 – 17:02

    David Ossitt – 16.34

    “It’s just like the 13 dead from Bloody Sunday – you’d think in 40 years of murder and mayhem in N. Ireland that they were the only victims.”

    I have held the same opinion on Bloody Sunday as you do for years.

  20. David Ossitt@July 1st, 2013 – 20:07

    Just to put it in perspective, roundly 2,000 people die on british roads each year, many of them child pedestrians.

  22. David Ossitt
    July 1st, 2013 – 16:34

    Am I insensitive?

    ‘Or might I be a closet racist?

    The reason that I ask is that I am fed up with hearing about Steven Lawrence, in particular I am fed up to the back teeth seeing and hearing the opinions of his brother and his father and if I never see or hear about his mother it will be a blessing.’

    Well, this is not very complicated so let’s see if I can help…..

    ‘Am I insensitive?’

    To your own nature; yes you are.

    The only reason for asking the above questions is because you do not know the answers.

    I only attempt an answer because you are one of the 4-5 people here that I read.
    You have never come across as an idiot before so either I’M the idiot for not noticing sooner or something’s up.

    Briefly,

    The notion that you are ‘insensitive’ to the pain of someone you have never known who has no relation to you and lives a totally different (tragic/public/political) life is a FUNCTION OF DISSASSOCIATION.
    This is actually your own fault but I’ll return to that……

    ‘Or might I be a closet racist?’

    There is no such thing.
    It’s dissasociative again.
    You either treat people correctly or you do not. I cannot understand how a non-idiot could forget this Mr Ossit. You should know that what dwells in our ”subconscious’ or repressed self is neither here nor there.

    ‘Closet racist’ was invented to provide your mind with it’s own prison warder….wait…you do know all this. You just forgot….relife……

    So, with that re-established, where were we….

    ‘The reason that I ask is that I am fed up with hearing about Steven Lawrence, ……………….’

    Oh, right.
    Yeah.
    Stephen Laewrence….the first thirty eight years were the worst….

    Look, no-one ISN’T fed up with the Stephen Lawrence political-killings-are-the-worst-when-you-don’t-share-the-killers-politics show.

    Case in point Afghanistan.
    How nmany years will we have to listen to those women whine on and on about their ‘beloved sons’ and ‘precious daughters’ killed by drones at a wedding or simply by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    See what I mean?

    Our Heros slaughted them and that’s it.
    Now shadap and…oh wait…waitaminute!…y’know I’m not sure that I CAN recall any interviews from ‘unpopular slaughtered’ folk.
    Hay ho.
    Perhaps they realise the sacrife we made when we butchered them?
    Who knows?
    Whatever; it’s certainly never been in any newspaper or tv broadcast or documentary or……..

    Unlike you know who.

    When a person opens their mind to the MSM they are bathing in a sewer and it is their choice to do so.
    No-one else’s fault.
    Some even PAY MONEY for the privilage.
    When anyone responds with predictable anger/bordom/lust/jealousy/fear/hatred then the sentient individual cannot but ask, ‘Why am I being made to feel this way?’

    That’s the whole point of having a ‘mind of your own’ as they used to say.

    Otherwise, it’s basically someone else’s mind.

    So the next time you wonder if you really care about the random slaughter of innocents*just remember that human minds are easily manipulated and manipulation is the whole point of our MSM.
    You are supposed to feel hatred.
    When people who drive you mad continue to drive you mad just stop listening. It’s easy.
    It’s your fault if you do not. Listening will drive you mad see?

    ‘……in particular I am fed up to the back teeth seeing and hearing the opinions of his brother and his father and if I never see or hear about his mother it will be a blessing.’

    Who are these people?

    Why are they bothering you?

    I’ve never met any of them & wouldn’t know if I tripped over them. I’ll bet
    46 & 1/2p they have nothing to say i’ll find interesting or important. Nothing.

    So why are they in your head?

    What’s the point of that?

    Next, you’ll be watching BBC ‘news’ about another ‘triumph’ for ‘gay somethinorother’.

    It’s all bs, but that’s what some people actuall want. They thirst to hate someone, anyone, and don’t mind one little bit being manipulated.
    How many black people have EVER mentioned s.law to you before today.
    If it’s a number like ‘zero’ then you may have been…er….’receiving’ your assigned ‘response’ from those who believe they have the right to programme you.

    Either that or people REALLY CARE after all trhese years and so many OTHER murders and it SELLS PAPERS and also ADVERTISING SPACE cos people can’t GET ENOUGH of being told the same bloddy thing for TWENTY YEARS that had ZERO TO DO WITH THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    Yeah, either that or you’re being manipulated.

    rEGS.

    (SORRY FOR SPELLING & TYPOS BUT THIS STEW WON’T EAT ITSELF)

    *Foreigners? Well, that’s up to you.

  23. ‘I have held the same opinion on Bloody Sunday as you do for years.’

    No.
    Same as everyone with a mind of there own.

    S’point.

  27. Frank, the one by Carlin on the ecochondriacs is priceless, Baron saved it, will definitely use when the subject crops up on a blog somewhere.

  29. David Ossitt
    July 1st, 2013 – 16:34

    “Am I insensitive?

    Or might I be a closet racist?

    The reason that I ask is that I am fed up with hearing about Steven Lawrence, in particular I am fed up to the back teeth seeing and hearing the opinions of his brother and his father and if I never see or hear about his mother it will be a blessing.”

    David, I absolutely agree. I am sick to death of even hearing the name of Steven Lawrence, and everything to do with the case. I said as much the other day in a comment to the Mail, which needless to say, they didn’t print, because we are supposed to say “Aaaaaaaaah, poor Steven, etc” every time the name is mentioned, and anyone who dissents from this view is beneath contempt. After 20 years of this blasted case dragging on and on, it’s about time it was put to rest.

    At the time, I felt great compassion for Mrs Lawrence, as did any feeling person, but 20 years of whinging from this woman has long obliterated any sympathy I once had. Enough.

  31. On spying on its allies, the Washington DC regime has elected for the “Everyone does it” defence.

    On spying on its own people in breach of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution, it has elected the “Everyone has known about this for years” defence.

    On signing an agreement to bring Russian troops into the USA to carry out security functions,…[h/t Drudge Report] ….. well, it is still figuring out a defence for that…

    How about “the Cold War is over” defence?

  32. You must be jo-king!

    ” … as Gary and Louise Lidington, from London, made final preparations for their wedding last weekend, they received an urgent telephone call from council registrars warning that they could not legally say the words “in sickness and in health”.

    Officials in Tower Hamlets,…said that the phrase…was too “religious” for a civil ceremony. ”

    (h/t Daily Telegraph)

    “The phrase “to have and to hold” was also deemed too Christian, because of its echoes of the marriage service in the Anglican Book of Common Prayer.

    But, after discussion, the council ruled that to it would be acceptable to say “to hold and to have”. “

  33. Oh, and… “… they were allowed to replace “in sickness and in health” with “in sickness and when we are well”.

    Words fail…

  34. A dank, chilly mist appears to have descended upon Snowden:

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/assange-snowden-hero-nsa/2013/06/30/id/512659?s=al&promo_code=14034-1

    Seems that at last he’s beginning to understand that spooks and traitors are just pawns in the Great Game and that the Guardian is not necessarily the best friend you can have when the SHTF. Assange and his new found friend dangling in the wind ‘pour encourager les autres’ is deliciously ironic. Vlad is playing Barry like a balalaika and obviously Rafael Correa has extracted some hefty concessions from Biden. How long I wonder before the top military brass in the US of A emulate the Gypo military and starts issuing an ultimatum to its titular CiC (in the mammary connotation) to get his act together – or else! The Western hegemony is collapsing around us with terrifyingly increasing momentum. There was a time when I used to think that George Carlin’s manic rants were the brilliant nihilistic comedy of an insane genius. In the current political and economic climate his words make sober sense. Pity he popped his clogs as BHO took over. Wonder how he would have adapted his script to encompass the current surreal shit.

  36. What were the whistleblowers blowing the whistle on and does the answer to that question factor into whether they were patriots or not?

    “NSA Whistleblower: NSA Illegally Spied On General Petraeus and Other Generals, Supreme Court Justice Alito and All of the Other Supreme Court Justices, the White House Spokesman, and Many Other Top Officials”

    Is someone seriously trying tp persuade me that the entire American people must be illegally spied on in order to have a chance of capturing a handful of jihadists?

    PUH-leese!

    This is not the Great Game; it may be preparatory work for the Catilinarian Conspiracy gone big time 2000 years on. If so, it should be strangled at birth or, if necessary, ended as it was then by an attack on Catiline’s centre by Petreius.

    Read on…

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/06/nsa-whistleblower-nsa-spyed-on-to-gain-leverage-general-petraeus-and-other-generals-supreme-court-justice-alito-and-all-of-the-other-supreme-court-justices-and-the-white-house-s.html

  38. Frank P, July 2nd, 2013 – 02:08

    There was a time when I used to think that George Carlin’s manic rants were the brilliant nihilistic comedy of an insane genius. In the current political and economic climate his words make sober sense.

    You know that we’re in trouble when, after all these years, everybody is starting to agree with David Icke, and, for that matter, the Jehovah’s Witnesses!
    As I pointed out to our host recently, The Zombie Apocalypse is Nigh!

    Repent Ye. Repent Ye now, Frank! Get yersel on that there witness protection scheme and then sit back and enjoy the ride. Thinks: Perhaps Lance Percival might be kind enough to play us all out with one of his amusing improv’s eg. The Zombie Apocalypso

  39. Malfleur 2nd, 2013 – 02:01/03

    But, after discussion, the council ruled that to it would be acceptable to say “to hold and to have”
    Oh, and… “… they were allowed to replace “in sickness and in health” with “in sickness and when we are well”.

    Words fail…

    Well, it’s a sign of some very confused thinking, but a welcome shift from 40 years ago. When we were married in a registry office (comin’ up 40 years “livin’ in sin”, father!) there was a fixed secular form of wording beyond which we weren’t allowed any deviation.

  41. John Richardson July 1st, 2013 – 20:30

    “Am I insensitive?” “Or might I be a closet racist?”

    Hello John, you did not spot the facetious sarcasm did you?

    And yes your long post was not up to your usual high standard of spelling and grammar.

  43. Looking a little closer at the bi-sexual Polish Tory MP, David Kawczynski.

    He received £30,000 from Tigris Financial Group (UK) LLP, a company owned by Ali Reza Erfan, a venture capitalist who has a background as a partner in the 3i group PLC. The company changed its name to The Electrum Group (UK) LLP. And then financed a trip by David Kawczynski to a confernce on mining in Mauritania.

    Tigris funded Kawczynski to the tune of £3000 a month from July 2011 to June 2012.

    Kawczynski has a commercial background as an account manager in the telecomms industry. This would hardly seem to point him out as natural advisor to one of a group of companies run by the wealthy Ali Erfan.

    But its interesting to look at some of the other donations made to Kawczynski and wonder what benefit they might provide to the donors.

    He’s had a visit to Saudia Arabia as part of the APPG on Saudia Arabia.
    The Midlands Industrial Council has donated £40,000.
    JCB research has donated £34,000.
    Harnage Estates Ltd has donated £2,000
    He’s had a visit to Uzbekhistan as part of the APPG on Central Asia paid for by various Muslim and Uzbekhi groups.
    And he’s had a visit to the UAE paid for by the UAE Government.
    And in October 2012 he received another £3,000 from Ali Erfan.
    He also does paid work for CGI Consulting – £7,500, Chelgate, a PR Consultancy – £2,000

    Yet in the UK he is the unknown, though now perhaps infamous, MP of a minor Welsh Border town and has a position no higher than Aide to the Welsh Secretary.

    It would be interesting to know what sort of things he has been interested in during 2011/2012. He was removed from the two Select Committees he had been a member of, not least because he didn’t seem to bother turning up. But he does seem interested in promoting trade in the Middle East and North Africa. This year he managed to organise a debate on export trade. I am not really qualified to be able to see if there is a subtext to his contributions and interest beyond the neutrally appropriate.

    But I am sure that companies do not provide large sums of money without expecting something in return. And it is not immediately clear what Kawczynski jas to offer.

  44. Malfleur

    One thing you have to understand about all governments, me old fleur, is that when governments can – and it suits their purposes – they will! The most that the proles can achieve, either by what is amusingly described as ‘the democratic vote’ or by violent insurrection, is install another bunch of fucktards who will resume the same game, but with even more crooked rules. And all the while the priests of the various Gods, fluttering around in their fancy frocks in the background, will demand that their deluded flocks do as they are are instructed by their ‘Good Books’ various – or suffer eternal damnation. They are, of course, the most successful bunch of hucksters of all time because they feed on, and have survived over the ages, by exploiting a hat weird mixture of fear and optimism of the spirit, which Nature has wickedly and mischievously implanted in us all to a lesser of greater degree in within the Greatest Game of all – the exploding (or imploding) Cosmos.

    At this late period of my decline, my own particular affliction of sporadic optimism interprets the whole circus as one gigantic, fucked up happenstance – and a darkly humorous one, to boot. (Not not you Alexander – you’re forgiven). SO WTF?

    As EC so sagely suggests – chill out and enjoy the ride. Unless of course you want to get your own hands on the bloodstained levers of power, and become one of the fucktards rather than the fucked? In which case it’s doubtful that your pal ‘Tommy’ will facilitate that for you. He seems to have a strong proclivity for the comfort and certainty of the inside of prison walls. It’s a particularly sad form of masochism. The Man – even in its present pathetic ephemeral multi-sexual period of mutation, always wins. Because the game is rigged.

  45. Peter from Maidstone @ 10:46

    That post would make a good foundation stone for a permanent, developing feature on this site similar to the “Discover the Networks” facility for the USA on FrontPage Magazine (http://discoverthenetworks.org/).

  46. Malfleur, I think that drawing together a lot of the excellent resources available and doing some independent digging to understand the connections behind our politicians and others is indeed an excellent project to be considered.

    I would like to see those who fund politicians being asked to justify the expenditure and explain what the MP has provided.

  47. Regarding bi-sexual Polish Tory MP, David Kawczynski, and how happy Cameron is at his news, is it possible that our dear Leader is bisexual too? It’s wonderful how diverse this country has come. Vive la Difference!

  48. Anne Wotana Kaye 1, July 2nd, 2013 – 12:08

    “bi-sexual Polish Tory MP”

    Is lacking an orientation a recognised medical condition?
    If so, he must be bi-Pole-aaaah
    🙂

  49. The Welsh Assembly is expected today to pass a measure allowing the state to assume that all who have passed over the great divide have all given their permission for their organs to be used in transplants. What colossal arrogance, who do these bloody people think they are? What is more disconcerting is the supine reaction of the general population who not so very long ago would have been rioting in the street at such officially sanctioned kleptomania. This is the result of us having ignored the creeping authoritarianism, our liberties bartered away in exchange for pizzas and soap operas. Christ, it is bad enough having to pop one’s clogs in the first place without having the bastards chopping you up for spare parts.

  50. Stephen, when the state takes over ownership of our bodies we will see organs harvested by the state to perpetuate the lives of our politicians and to be sld to the rich. We should not expect to see the organs of those we love used for the proles.

  52. Malfleur @ 1:37

    “On signing an agreement to bring Russian troops into the USA to carry out security functions,…[h/t Drudge Report]..,”

    Yes, folks…

    Now, let’s imagine that it had just been reported that David Cameron had signed an agreement with the Chinese Premier that Chinese troops be brought into England to provide security on certain occasions.

    How would you analyse that?

  54. stephen maybery
    2nd, 2013 – 13:09

    I’ve been crying unheard in the wilderness for ages at the passivity of the British public. Only one thing worse in the scenario you depict. Imagine if the organ parts came from politicians? We’d have diseased, mad hearts, livers etc. from degenerate, disgusting characters who are full of the diseases of vice.

  55. Peter from Maidstone: Sorry, Peter, I meant to address the above posting to you. It is a frightening idea which I imagine the politicians have already considered.

  56. P from M.

    “I am not really qualified to be able to see if there is a subtext to his contributions and interest beyond the neutrally appropriate.”

    When money falls like confetti there is always a subtext or should that be a hidden sub-plot.

  57. stephen maybery July 2nd, 2013 – 13:09

    “The Welsh Assembly is expected today to pass a measure allowing the state to assume that all who have passed over the great divide have all given their permission for their organs to be used in transplants.”

    In time and if this is allowed to arrive at a logical conclusion; once all of the spare parts have been harvested, some of what’s left could be used to make soap and the remainder processed as cat food.

  60. Malfleur@July 2nd, 2013 – 13:45

    It happened
    Remember when they did the torch carrying for the Bejing Olympics.

  62. How long before the little sheet heads all latch onto this? What will the Police and Courts do? I guess the point is, if they permit this, then they must permit all the relative aspects from the little book of hate. This might allow injured infidels to demand blood money. Oh, sorry, forgot, those clauses won’t apply to kaffirs.

    http://t.co/DyKuG2dIuB

    Sharia by the back door?

  63. WHAT A SHAME ! The DM so quickly on Saturday took-down the photo of one of the Met’s finest making a new friend;along will other images of the gay pride march;including the military contingent [with at least 4 red-caps and a paratrooper].How this must have gladdened Cameron who sent a letter of approval,saying how the gay marriage act will allow gay school children to stand taller….Never mind if you didn’t see it.Maybe it can still be found at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2351540

  64. Despite my hinting to Verity that the extreme southwest corner of British Columbia would not be a bad place to spend her retirement, I now begin to wonder whether the rose-tinted picture that I was drawing was entirely justified.

    I live far enough away from the B.C. Parliament Buildings precinct to be unlikely to be killed if somebody detonates a (conventional) bomb there, but I do drive past it from time to time and a member of my family works nearby.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/07/02/bc-victoria-bomb-motivation.html

  67. As a very occasional poster, but regular lurker, I just had to ‘share’ this:

    This morning, on the return leg of my early morning gentle trot (at 68 I don’t deem it running, and refuse to use the vulgar term ‘jogging’), I became aware of a strange apparition approaching from the other direction. I initially refused to believe what my eyes were telling me, but eventually had to concede that it was

    A woman
    Running (actually quite daintily)
    In a (bleep)ing burka …

    As she got closer, I could see that the bottom half consisted of baggy black pants rather than the bin bag thing, and what appeared to be a towel over her head was some sort of headscarf carefully fastened somehow so as to cover her hair, and then brought down diagonally and outwards and fastened at the shoulders. It must have been pinned in place, otherwise it would have blown off. I managed to conceal my gobsmackedness and gave my customary cheery greeting, which to be fair, was returned. And to be fair, the girl was having a go!

    But I still can’t decide whether to think “You stupid, brainwashed, misguided, subservient bint, what on earth is this all about?” (possibly all or any of those), or “you poor girl, is this the lengths you are obliged to go to to avoid upsetting your ‘community’ if you want to be a sports girl?”

    Mind you, as I was unable to ogle the contours of her body nor glimpse her undoubtedly ravishing hair, my otherwise uncontrollable lust was kept in check, so that would be all right, then.

  70. For those of a certain age, who would like to remember better and gentler musical times, let Mark Steyn be your guide for a two stage trip down memory lane. I guess this could lift the spirits of Anne WK in particular.

    How very pleasant to hear the words of one of the greatest popular music ‘lyrists’ (sic) of all time sung by warblers who could enunciate them, backed by bands that actually play music rather than cacophony. As long as these recordings remain and Mark is around to remind us, all is not lost. Turn up the volume to drown the muezzin’s call, btw.

  71. Dear Herbert Thornton – I didn’t see your recommendation the first time around, but I had been considering the southwest off BC for some time. How are the costs of flats (to rent)?

  72. Frank P
    July 3rd, 2013 – 13:59

    Thanks, Frank. It’s weird, I know, but I love the songs and singers of a generation (or even two) before me. Richard Tauber, I adore, Noel Coward, Gertrude Lawrence, Iver Novello. Then of course, in my time, Nat King Cole, Frank Sinatra, and many others. My spirits will really rise when the hateful swine in the political sphere shuffle or are blown off this mortal coil.

  73. EC
    July 3rd, 2013 – 13:05
    Sheltered housing is a horrible place to find oneself in. Lots of robberies, fires and dangers as the staff are so busy prying in people’s private lives. Obviously the council want their greedy hands on the poor man’s savings. The tart looks bad for her age, poor soul probably has had a rough time in life, and the old boy seems to have established a kind of relationship with her. I hate these Stasi/Fascist busybodies who run this country. Is this what we fought two World Wars for? Hitler and Stalin must be laughing their heads off in hell.

  74. Ceremonies today in Nottingham and Newark commemorating the 70th. anniversary of the death of General Sikorski (although his remains were sent home years ago)…….Also the 150th. anniversary of Lee’s defeat at Gettysburg.(Strange no-one recalls the name of the Union general.)

  75. AWK 1 – You may be envious to read that I met Noel Coward. Not only that, but in his dressing room Not only that, but he was wearing a dressing gown. He was terribly good looking.

  76. The charges laid the other day against two Muslims in British Columbia, of trying to copy the Islamic inspired Boston Marathon bombing made me wonder how long it would be before we would hear a suggestion that it had nothing to do with Islam. –

    It hasn’t taken long –

    “An interest in causing destruction, rather than religious ideology, may have been what motivated a man and woman accused of plotting to bomb the B.C. legislature in Victoria on Canada Day, say two terrorism experts.”

    http://bc.ctvnews.ca/more-details-emerge-in-alleged-canada-day-bomb-plot-1.1351543

  78. Herbert Thornton, could I prevail upon you, with respect, to send me the names of a few respectable, but by no means pricey, neighbourhoods in the southwest corner of British Columbia, so I can google them for rentals?

    Even if you have your doubts, as mentioned above, there may be some places nearby that would be passable. I am looking to cut down the cost of the journey from Mexico, which could possibly done by road if accessible.

    Thanks your anything you come up with!

  79. Verity
    July 3rd, 2013 – 16:45
    Is your name Mrs. Worthington? Meow! Not that I’m jealous 🙂

  81. Incidentally: good tune the workers are dancing to – can you translate the lyrics. It’s doubtful that they were written by Noel Coward, though. Not even during his Indian (boys) phase.

  83. ]Frank P thanks for the flats in India, idea! They may not allow foreigners in. Politically correct, they are not. When I lived there, despite being a working journalist, being paid from outside India and therefore bringing in revenues, I could not talk my way into a second six months. Neither could another journalist I was palling around with at the time, although he put as much energy into it as I did.

    AWK – No. I am no relation to Mrs Worthington, being somewhat younger, for starters, but I assure you that in person Noel Coward was not only tall and elegant but a very quick wit and a very pleasant way with him. I am came away in love. (He even noticed my dress and raised an eyebrow and said, “Mmm … very nice.”

  85. Verity
    July 3rd, 2013 – 18:46

    All I can say is, “Mad about the boy”!

  86. Sorry to hog so much space, but I read the DM article carefully about the eldery man and the lady friend. It is worrying. First, the man lives in sheltered housing and NOT a care home. He has not been deemed incapable of handling his own affairs, and yet how was his bank account accessed and examined, and how did the police and council know how much and when any cash was moved? Smells strongly of Stasi action. No doubt the council want their grubby hands on the small amount an ex-soldier has managed to save. If he saved for his old age, well he is living it now!

  87. Radford NG 3rd, – 16:16

    (Strange no-one recalls the name of the Union general.)

    Meade, although I’m sure you knew that already!

  90. Frank P, 3rd, – 20:27

    I notice one of your other interests, Norman B. is making the news today!

  92. Anne Wotana Kaye 1@July 3rd, 2013 – 19:20

    I think you know already, Anne, but its worth pointing put that seeing a prostitute in the UK is quite legal.
    (Running a brothel, kerb crawling or seeing a prostitute that has been coerced is illegal, however. And seeing a prostitute under the age of 18.)

    Too many myths about this, so worth saying.

    I think the brothel law is stupid and needs repealing. What possible need does the state have to say 2 or more women cant work from the same premises? However it does net plod quite a tidy sum in POCA revenues.

  93. Verity –

    I tried, a few hours ago, to post the URLs of several sites that I thought you’d be intertested in, but I’ve seen no sign of my posting. Maybe the Wall is restricted to one URL at a time.

    My impression is that flats go for between $800 and $1600 a month.

    For the S.W. mainland of B.C. for a start try Googling “Tsawwassen”. Tsawwassen is the north part of a peninsula that really is the mainland Canada’s most southerly extremity. Tsawwassen is separated from the south part of the Peninsula (which is in the U.S. and is called Point Roberts) by the 49th parallel.

    You might also try “Burnaby”, “New Westminster” and “North Vancouver”.

    For the southern part of Vancouver Island, I suggest Googling “Gordon Head”, “Oak Bay”, “Saanich” and “Sidney”. Also Google “Used Victoria” and then look at the Real Estate section of it which in turn includes Rentals.

    I assume that you’ve contacted the Canadian Immigration Department or whatever it’s called? Canada is a bit politically correct & applicants from non-Commonwealth countries and from places like Pakistan seem, sometimes, to get preference.

  94. Alexsandr
    July 3rd, 2013 – 20:40

    Yes, I knew all about this, and agree how ridiculous it is. Still, consider this: On M.P, is bad enough, more than one and we have a House of Bloody Commons! Getting back to that case in the “DM”, why isn’t any M.P. prepared to demand an inquiry as to how the bank account was examined? How a man can have his visitors banned and how his privqcy was violated?

  98. Herbert Thornton … Arrrrrrgggghhhhh! Ahem. I will be looking elsewhere, but thank you for the trouble of writing!

  99. The BBC – Bowen; Whewell; Paxo; Urban; all batting for Morsi, predictably.
    Dhimmis all!

  100. AWk – surely from a purely chronological point of view, Verity is more likely to be the young Miss Worthington warned off the stage – though I daresay that is where the comparison ends.

  101. When I learned that the Egyptian army had ousted Morsi I cheered – and then fervently hoped that the Turkish army will take heart from it and oust Erdogan.

    Looking a little further down the road, I began to wonder how soon will a thin majority Muslim government be elected in Britain.

    But wait a moment – does Britain – in effect – already have that?

  102. “Looking a little further down the road, I began to wonder how soon will a thin majority Muslim government be elected in Britain.”

    That will be shortly before English Civil War II. My guess, within 30 years, but then I used to say 50.

  103. Frank P, July 3rd, 2013 – 20:33

    “Even Obama? Now’s your chance, you Good ol’ Boys!”

    The BBC has quoted Obama as saying he’s “Deeply concerned.” You bet! He doesn’t trust his military and they’re not overfond of him either. Senators and Congressmen all took an oath to uphold the US constitution. They haven’t. They deserve whatever comes their way. The “Good Ol’ Boys” have been experiencing an acute shortage of ammo for at least the last 12 months. The mob “government” has been buying it all up.

    Meanwhile, back in Europe, Portugal is in economic trouble again and the EU & ECB are measuring it up for Greek style economic straightjacket. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they stage another raid on bank deposits there. Spain is quite another matter. Any attempt by Germany et al to stage a Greek style economic coup there would result in a military coup.

    Here at home Dave, Nick and Ed must be looking nervously over their shoulders too. There always remains the possibility that, somewhere within our vestigial military, there remains one patriotic general that hasn’t been bought off! Mm, I wonder if there is a list somewhere of the politicians, journalists and left wing “activists” to be interned following a military coup. If there is, I bet it’s a long list!

  104. Frank Sutton
    July 4th, 2013 – 01:22
    This is so much more fun than reading the news. Actually I meant the young Miss Worthington, but Verity assumed I was referring to the mater!

  107. Frank P 3rd, – 22:59

    Dhimmis all!

    I note this morning that Humphrys is glad to join them, except that…

    Both Paxperson last night and Humphrys this morning uttered the heresy, “Maybe democracy isn’t necessarily right for all societies.”

    Does that get them banned, or does it now become “an acceptable alternative viewpoint”?

  109. Colin 4th, – 07:23

    “but then I used to say 50.”

    Perhaps it was 20 years ago that you said 50?

  110. Ostrich, Colin, EC.

    Considering that we already have Dhimmi governments on both sides of the Atlantic, isn’t the civil war already in progress? And isn’t ‘our’ side losing badly? The 30 (or 50) year forecast is therefore somewhat optimistic, isn’t it?

    Throughout all the media discussions of the last 24 hours, none of the Dhimmi commentariat has really pointed out that the Brotherhood is the increasingly aggressive covert movement of the jihad. Maybe they’ve overstepped the mark this time, as it seems the majority of the Egyptian punters, who have become increasingly used to Western freedoms, have now woken up. Ironically, at the same time our own leaders in the West have become increasingly in the thrall of the Brotherhood.

    None of them have picked up Clare Lopez’s assertions about the Brotherhood’s influence in the USA as far back as the Eisenhower administration – roughly the same time that Gramsci’s Long March picked up momentum – probably indicating that the ‘intellectuals’ of the Brotherhood twigged Gramsci’s methodology and although not having the same ultimate objectives, decided to march in step pro-tem, figuring that in the end, when the Great Satan was weakened by the joint subversion of Gramsci’s moles and the covert Islamic jihad, then Islamism would prevail over communism too.

    Personally, I see this latest Egyptian eruption as a paradigm for us all; it will be interesting to see what the Iranian mullahs have to say about this; Qaradawi has been schtum about it thus far. I’m hoping that he is one of the Muslim Brotherhood leaders that the Army have banged up, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he saw it coming and is holed up in Iran.

    Let’s be optimistic for a change. Maybe the demographics aren’t as dire as we have constantly augured, if the Muzzie themselves are getting pissed off with the strictures of their own religion? Maybe the decadence of the West will win.
    On the other hand, isn’t that another ‘devil and the deep blue sea’ dilemma? I wish I could agree with our host (and Alexander Boot) that a return to Judeo-Christianity is the answer. But fat chance of that I fear.

    Then again – as a tongue-in-cheek determinist, I suppose the die is cast and was from the get-go. So perhaps we should all relax and watch it unfold against a backdrop of Frank Sinatra (or Noel Coward) reprises as our Annie suggests. 🙂

    Btw – it would help if Verity could make up her mind about her next move. A bit of terra firma beneath the perceived dainty feet of our doughty, intrepid sojourner would undoubtedly restore her erstwhile well-targeted and effective salvos from foreign fields.

  111. Frank P

    Just a silly thought, provoked by the above…Why did Frank Sinatra title his record label “Reprise”? Was he telling us that nuthin’ he did was original?

  112. “isn’t the civil war already in progress?”

    Not the type of war that I fear, or fear for my family, no.

    “The 30 (or 50) year forecast is therefore somewhat optimistic, isn’t it?”

    Yes.

  113. O(o).

    We all stand on the shoulders of our predecessors (for better of for worse), as did they – and so on ad infinitum. What was that ‘little fleas and bigger fleas skit’ again? We used to cite it from time to time throughout our scribblings on the various walls of the ‘sphere since we became entrapped by its daily allure. And far be it from me to criticise repetition and plagiarism, as a frequent practitioner of both (though to be fair to meself, I do my best to attribute sources (except the confidential ones – which would really be naughty).

  114. Colin

    I think what the renegades of this platform have been saying here and elsewhere for a long time (in my own case since the 1950s through various media) is that violent eruptions of the culture wars have perhaps been less damaging to the West than the insidious covert undermining by both (semi) covert treasonous actions of our own politicians, shysters, the crooked extremes of capitalism and the external and inimical infiltration of both Comintern and the Muslim menace. That, imho, has been far more baleful and baneful to our way of life than the violent commotions, which have in many ways been red herrings – and probably planned as such. Intimidation is something to which we should never succumb, surely? Easy for me to say that as I approach my 80th birthday, but there was a time ….

  115. The unfolding events in Egypt only back the Dutch ‘man can predict everything but the future’. They seem to also playing into Baron’s hands, not all Muslims are alike, in the past they and the other two branches of the Abrahamic faith did live together peacefully, all the unwashed of whatever creed want is to have a job, raise a family, have a pint here or there, race a camel …

    Also, perhaps we, too, should have the Armed Services as the arbiter of the country’s direction when things get sticky.

  116. Baron
    July 4th, 2013 – 12:25
    When one considers what Cameron, Clegg and their imbecilic Philip Hammond throw at the military, it is a wonder that they haven’t instigated a British Spring!

  117. Frank P:

    Good point. However, I fear that the “insidious covert undermining” will result in a “violent commotion” in any case.

    You have a few years on me, I see, but I can clearly remember the writing being on the wall in the 1950s and 1960s but, apart from people directly affected in places like Bradford, nobody was interested.

    A pity that Ray Honeyford died last year without receiving a very humble apology.

  120. Btw all you Transatlantic rebels – still think it was a good idea?

    Have a great barbeque – but take care with those fireworks. No more tragedies this week, please.

  124. Frank P. 13-54 : I remember Sgt Bilko selling tickets for a `Benedict Arnold forgive and forget night`.

  126. BBC BIASED;OFFICIAL. A review commissioned by the BBC says the Corporation is biased over immigration and the EU (up to a point Lord Patten).Helen Boaden,head or radio,admits to its deep liberal bias.Report says BBC to reliant on politicians who steer clear of taboo subjects and may not reflect the public mood.The BBC should challenge their own assumptions on the accepted consensus and bring in new voices,even if contentious./…../A BBC headline on this has it that:BBC should reflect more *extreme* views .Their way of referring to any views that don’t fit the consensus.Mainly they pick-up all the praise in the report,written by a confessed liberal.It is rather like Stalin’s response to criticism in Lenin’s last testament……….[Sources:BBC news site;D.M;Telegraph;Guardian;London Evening Standard.]

  128. “but take care with those fireworks. No more tragedies this week, please.”

    Yup…that Plutonium can really hurt!

  129. News coming in that the British Police have 38 leads/people they wish to interview regarding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Most people, especially parents will emphasise with the McCann’s. To lose a child, whether by murder or by abduction is the cruellest thing. The McCanns and Doreen Lawrence share one great quality: perserverance, the refusal to give up for what they see as justice, and a denial of acceptance of what the police say. Mrs McCann is a Scot and a medical consultant, Doreen Lawrence is an articulate Black woman, who despite personal tragedy has educated herself and gained university degrees. There is another difference. Doreen Lawrence is considered a nuisance, a voice that won’t shut up and go away. Eveb most posters on this CHW find her shrill and unwelcome, all sympathy vanishing because of her ‘pushiness’. By contrast, the professional McCann is seen as a tragic figure, never giving up and living in hope that her child is alive. I think it is a sad reflection on the mores of our society, when ersonal, subjective views overshadow the greater issues. Finally, how can we really trust the British police? They wasted a week searching the home of Tia’s grandmother, where she lived with her lover (the one time lover of her own daughter). This man had murdered the child and hid her in the loft. The police, despite several visits missed checking this place, and only the stench of the decaying body led them to Tia’s corpse. Without the perserverance of the McCanns and Lawrences both these cases would have been shelved years ago.

  130. ‘when ersonal, subjective views overshadow the greater issues’ (sic)

    Clarify what you perceive, please.

    And in case you forgot, when Madeleine went missing, Mrs McCann was immediately suspected. I don’t recall her getting half the good press that Doreen Lawrence got.

  131. Ostrich (occasionally) July 4th, 2013 – 09:33

    “Both Paxperson last night and Humphrys this morning uttered the heresy,

    “Maybe democracy isn’t necessarily right for all societies.”

    Well of course they are both right but in my opinion for the wrong reasons.

    If asked they would tell you that we the English (note ‘English’ not British) live in a democracy when it has been obvious for many years that we do not.

    As to the Arab countries, I can not think of one that has even a semblance of democracy, the most we in the west can ever hope for, for the Arabs or for that matter any primarily Muslim country is something along the lines of what Mustafa Kemal Atatürk gave or imposed on Turkey when he founded the republic.

  132. Dean Street
    July 4th, 2013 – 18:15
    ‘when ersonal, subjective views overshadow the greater issues’ (sic)
    Clarify what you perceive, please.
    And in case you forgot, when Madeleine went missing, Mrs McCann was immediately suspected. I don’t recall her getting half the good press that Doreen Lawrence got.
    ———
    Sorry, my typing isn’t good. Should be PERSONAL. I tried to say that when our personal, subjective views (our prejudices, preconceived notions) take over from the matter in hand there isn’t a fair picture.
    The media character assasination Kate McCann received was gross. Trial without jury, typical “DM” reader rubbish. Hope what I wanted to write is a little clearer now.

  134. Anne Wotana Kaye 1:

    A few thoughts:

    1. The police did not kill Stephen Lawrence.
    2. An 800 year old law was changed following Macpherson. I don’t recall any other murder, solved or unsolved, being treated like this one – not even close.
    3. There have been many murders since 1993, some extremely gruesome, all involving “personal tragedy”. Where’s the concern?
    4. “Perserverance” is one way of looking at it. It helps of course if the case also suits the priorities of the MSM and the authorities – rather like the Deptford fire in 1981.
    5. Stephen Lawrence is dead; he cannot be brought back. On the other hand, Madeleine McCann might be alive and well. The cases are not the same. Even families of murder victims need to move on. Resources are not infinite and the families of lower profile murder victims have had to make do with far less – not due to lack of “perserverance”, but because the victims have not fitted the required profile.

  135. Colin
    July 4th, 2013 – 21:
    And if the victim fits the required profile, as you state it, then the family would be fools not to take advantage of it. This moving on, is like the modern concept of ‘closure’. Again I say, “All power to Doreen Lawrence. May she find an answer to her questions.”

  136. AWK,

    The problem with doreen L is that whitey can never satisfy the inexhaustible fount of questions she her ‘advisers’ and the saintly DuWaNyNe Brooks may conceive until death or public funding do us part

  138. Hexhamgeezer
    July 5th, 2013 – 00:49
    As far as I’m concerned, I can’t even begin to imagine the raw grief that losing a child brings. So here we are going around in circles, and we each have our individual verdicts on the manner in which bereaved parents behave. I can see that I am the odd one out here, so will withdraw from posting on these tragedies.

  139. THOUGHT FOR THE DAY. The word diversity comes from the same root as divisive for a reason. (George Igler)

  140. Anne Wotana Kaye 1:
    “Again I say, “All power to Doreen Lawrence. May she find an answer to her questions.””

    As I stated earlier, getting an 800 year old legal principle overturned was not enough. She wants more “answers” to her questions (more like “demands”), and at everyone else’s expense.

  141. Anne Wotana Kaye 1, July 5th, 2013 – 02:39

    “I can see that I am the odd one out here, so will withdraw from posting on these tragedies.”

    No, Anne, you shouldn’t withdraw. You are perfectly entitled to say whatever you like. (*) If others don’t like what you say, well, that’s up to them. At least you made them think about the issue about which you expressed your concerns.
    [* providing, I suppose, it doesn’t lead to Peter being led away in handcuffs 🙂 ]

    Keep on truckin’ !

  142. EC

    “You are perfectly entitled to say whatever you like. (*) If others don’t like what you say, well, that’s up to them. At least you made them think about the issue about which you expressed your concerns.”

    Agree that she’s entitled to say whatever she likes and it doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks. If you can’t stand the heat … etc.

    However, we’ve already had 20 years to think about the Lawrences. Time someone else got a look in.

  143. “Time someone else got a look in.”

    Then do feel free to post away about someone else without feeling obliged to mention the Lawrences.

  145. Colin
    July 5th, 2013 – 08:05
    Agree that she’s entitled to say whatever she likes and it doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks. If you can’t stand the heat … etc.
    —————–
    Not a question of not standing the heat, get out of the kitchen. Just it seems pointless going around in circles. I’ve made my point, others have expressed theirs, and at the end of the day we all still believe what we originally said.

    E.C. Dreadful thought. With the way things are going, Peter could indeed be led away in handcuffs. Heaven forbid!

  146. “Don’t worry if you missed the revolution in Egypt. Another one will be along soon.”

    Pat Condell ‏(@patcondell)

    “Normally, I find it hard to get to sleep. But last night, watching “Sir” Baldrick on Question Time….”

    Jeremy Clarkson (@JeremyClarkson)

  148. EC:

    “Then do feel free to post away about someone else without feeling obliged to mention the Lawrences.”

    I provided 35 examples of “someone else” on 1st July.

    I’m not keeping the Lawrence thing going.

  149. Anne Wotana Kaye 1:

    My comment about “not standing the heat” wasn’t a dig at you, it was a reference to EC’s comment about people not liking what you say. I disagree with some of your conclusions, but so what?

    I do agree however that the issue has probably run its course here, even though it was on the BBC news AGAIN this morning.

  151. I was annoyed by a report on the news which reported on a survey showing that 27% of Londoners no longer trusted the Police because they had investigated the Lawrence family and those around them. I asked my father why they never identified which Londoners were asked. Is this 27% made up of immigrants, naturalised immigrants or the minority ‘white British’. It makes a big difference.

  152. Colin

    @10:09 Yes, it’s the MSM in general but the BBC is the prime culprit. They never show much concern about BoB or BoW murders. (Ref: Austin Barry’s Reporting rules of engagement, CH Walls passim)

  153. Peter from Maidstone
    July 5th, 2013 – 10:40
    Peter, good point. Getting away from the Lawrence case, which according to some is verbotem, how many CHW posters trust the police? Interesting, so let’s have a survey.

  155. It is interesting that UK Polling Report seems to be trying to dismiss the results by suggesting that Survation always poll higher for UKIP. But in fact it is also identified on UK Polling Report that Survation offer UKIP as a main choice for those being polled. I’d say this produces a more accurate result not a less accurate one. Imagine if the Lib Dems were not provided as an option unless you clicked on Other and then chose Lib Dems? Their support would be even lower. So how is it unreasonable to include and measure support for UKIP as a main player, if the Lib Dems are so presented.

    My own anecdotal experience is that support is massively turning towards UKIP.

    In the poll I conducted here last month the results showed that 48% of site visitors voted Conservative at the last election and 19% UKIP. But in the 2015 election only 8% of site visitors intend to vote Conservative and 73% UKIP.

  158. This isn’t bad for the BBC, though Andrew Peach is invariably on top form:

    Andrew Peach interviews Rob Banaki(?), who is in Egypt
    Radio Berkshire, Andrew Peach Show, Fri, 5th July, 2013 9:33am
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01bhq5k
    (from 2hr 33m 20s to 2hr 39m 0s)

    “We would have being heading for another Afghanistan, basically. It would have been another Taliban.
    …
    They would have got into every aspect of daily life.
    …
    This not what the majority of people wanted.”

  159. Radford NG – 11:46 ‘Victoria Derbyshire’

    Is Victoria Derbyshire interviewing Nigel, or is she a spokesperson for the Cabinet Office?

    You can tell, when she first queries the figure, that it is going to be leading up to a BBC offensive. She knows that her trap is in the right place, but Nigel does float over it skillfully.

    I am sure her attitude only helps UKIP’s cause. It puts me off voting for the BBC, that is, if I had the chance.

  160. Peter f. M. at 11-40 : UKIP are standing up well in local by-elections with an average of c.25%. Eg.Salford:UKIP 2nd.[at first try there]23% // Labour 44%[down 10%] // Cons.15%[stable] // Lib-Dems 7th.[with 58 votes;down from 428 votes] // BNP 5th.[with 74 votes;down from 197] //————//More recent results are at Nope not hope; a pro UKIP ,anti- HnH web site.SEE http://www.nopenothope.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/ukip-by-election-results-which-ones.html

  161. UKIP report two by-election wins yesterday in Telford-and-Wrekin at 61% & 58%.

  162. Robert C – 12.18

    I heard part of the interview but when Derbyshire started spouting the Quango spending figures I gave up and left Nigel to it.

    But I find a huge discrepancy between Farage’s performances in the EU Parliament, forensic, focussed and always packing an inarguable political punch, and his interviews here in the UK in which I find him far less sharp-edged. The easy point about spending is that under Gordon it rose in real terms by almost 60%, so how is it possible that the slightest damage or even inconvenience can be done to anyone by reducing it, at today’s efforts, by a mere 2%?

    No one, but no one, has made the points that any increase in Government spending let alone by 60% leads to CUTS. Cuts in personal choice, cuts in personal wealth, cuts in self-reliance because the interest rate, so low in order to keep the cost of public debt as low as possible, meaning that personal savings are reduced year on year by say 3%, cuts in the number of businesses which can flourish without Government contracts, cuts in individual freedom because we are over the tipping point and now in the territory whereby those sucking at the teat of Government far exceed the ability of the numbers supplying the milk to do so, so this is a cut in democratic accountability, and the million extra public employees (why are they referred to as servants?) is a form of gerrymandering, which too goes unmentioned.
    I think Nigel should stay clear of numbers and stick to the principles involved which will have far more resonance.

    Re: Doreen Lawrence – I made my points here on 1st July and notwithstanding AWK’s clear and understandable compassion, I agree with the point made that the police did not kill her son and, it seems to have been forgotten, her son’s killers are in jail which is more justice than hundreds of black mother’s get when their sons are murdered. But is it possible that Mrs Lawrence’s 20 years of agitation are to a large extent a form of displacement activity? Her son was clearly in bad company, he went to an area for drugs it is said and put himself in danger by doing so, the only photo we see of him is where he displays a (racist) black-power salute and nobody wonders about the quality of parenting he got? It’s a tragedy he was murdered but why does this murder alone receive such attention? Will anyone remember Lee Rigby’s name in 20 years? Who even knows about the young lady beheaded in England only two weeks later, let alone her name?

  163. Cigar Chompin’ John Jefferson ‘Dang Tootin” Burns DCCCXLIII

    I can see you – hiding in that wheelie bin in your frock coat and your yankee doodle hat, waiting to sneak in and strangle the Duchess of Cambridge’s baby. And you called me dad a queer and me mam a friggin’ lezza, sling your hook John Jefferson fkg Burns.

  164. Anne Wotana Kaye 1
    July 5th, 2013 – 11:01

    “…… how many CHW posters trust the police? Interesting, so let’s have a survey”

    I do trust the police. I definitely don’t trust ANY politicians, most big companies, all the supermarkets, some estate agents, and the BBC. Compared with all these, the police are icons of integrity and honesty.

  166. There was a lot of hostility and name-calling of the McCanns (possibly because they are doctors) for having dinner 50 yards or so away from the main building. They had tried the nursery service for two or three times, but Madeleine had refused to settle and had cried and made scenes until they got back, disturbing the other children .

    So they decided to leave the children in the nursery in a nearby building that they could see from their from the restaurnt where they were sitting. The insults that have been meted out to them have been cruel.

  167. “Police marksman ‘had no lawful justification’ for killing robbery suspect Azelle Rodney”

    1) Eight rounds fired. Well within 5 metres of the target, yet there were two misses. And this guy’s a MARKSMAN?

    2) Eight rounds in under two seconds. Do police marksmen start out with their weapons set to ‘auto’? Given that this guy has ‘form’, he must surely know how to select single shot by now.

  168. Lesley C.
    July 5th, 2013 – 15:29
    Anne Wotana Kaye 1
    July 5th, 2013 – 11:01
    “…… how many CHW posters trust the police? Interesting, so let’s have a survey”
    I do trust the police. I definitely don’t trust ANY politicians, most big companies, all the supermarkets, some estate agents, and the BBC. Compared with all these, the police are icons of integrity and honesty.
    ======================
    Agree with everything, except I don’t trust the police. ;-(

  170. Why can’t I get a funny yellow face smiling now? 🙂
    Can’t get a miserable one either! 🙁

  172. AWK1 5th, – 20:39

    Yes, I miss being able to get anything more than smiley or grumpy.
    Why can’t we have wink 😉 , or tongue :-p , or querulous :-/ or lots of other.

  176. One of the evil killers of Baby Bukgar is to be released from prison. The mother of the victim Denise Fergus says: “I totally do feel let down, but more importantly I feel like I’ve let James down because all the fight that I’ve done over the past 20 years” This is another mother who doesn’t realise that 20 years have past, and she must let go. Wicked children killed her son, not the police.

  178. Anne Wotana Kaye 1

    “Wicked children killed her son, not the police.”

    And both should have been put down.

  179. David Ossitt
    July 6th, 2013 – 10:21

    David, I agree. The Parole Board are at the best misguided Bleeding Hearts. At the worst they are perverted maniacs.

  180. We are off to Devon in the morning, I have booked five nights at a fine dining Gastro-Inn, and we might stay on an extra day or two if our friends down there ask us to stay for one or two nights.

    So bright and early we will set off for the 310.4 miles drive, it is not the drive, nor even the packing that gets my goat, it is the last minute security checks and the bagging of all of the medication, and it takes an age.

    You will have noticed a dramatic change (for the better) in the weather, well that is down to me, I have sacrificed next-doors cat and said prayers to Odin and for good measure the Yorkshire rain god Arkwright.

    I might post again before we leave.

    AWK 1.

    I think that your tacit support for the Lawrence woman does you great credit.

  182. And so it continues ….

    “Premier League: How Muslims are changing English football culture

    […] And there is a genuine willingness, on the part of managers and clubs, to understand and accommodate the religious needs of their players.
    Muslim footballers are provided with halal food, have the option to shower separately from the rest of the team and are given time and space for prayer.     […]

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23159023

  187. WHAT A GAY DAY ! According to the Daily Mail.The Lord Arch-Bishop of Canterbury intends to go on a heresy hunt through the C of E schools,hunting out homophobia and stamping-out the negative use of the word`gay`.AND Michael Gove intends to do the same in Council schools.(No mention of Muslim free-schools.)Thus showing that after generations of nothing but propaganda children still haven’t been taken-in by the `gay agenda`…..BUT there is more. Gove makes it clear that he regards the negative use of the word GAY [as it is used in the common parlance] to constitute an arrestable homophobic hate crime !!! (All in the D.M.)

  188. Radford NG@July 6th, 2013 – 11:56

    what about kids in Shrewsbury who went to the old football ground by English Bridge

  189. Radford NG July 6th, 2013 – 11:56

    “BUT there is more. Gove makes it clear that he regards the negative use of the word GAY [as it is used in the common parlance] to constitute an arrestable homophobic hate crime !!! (All in the D.M.)”

    Radford just stick to Sodomite and for those women with butch mannerisms use tribades.

    Help on my word document I always had three tool-bars across the top one of these had my ‘ABC’ spell checker, it has disappeared and as a result I have to go into ‘tools’ to find it. How can I restore it?

  190. David Ossitt@July 6th, 2013 – 13:36

    Old version of word I think
    but thats OK. Think its view and there is a toolbars entry. click that and you select there what toolbars to display.

  191. alexsandr July 6th, 2013 – 13:43

    Many thanks, it now is back to ‘my’ normal.

  192. EC July 1st – 09:21 “LORD Justice Leveson is hacked off, I hear.

    Nearly every time I select this thread, I notice your post as it it at the top, and then have to adjust my thinking: the Lord in question still has his head attached!

  194. This dissertation puts Mohammed Albaradei, the new ‘Vice President’ of Egypt into some perspective – or at least gives one version of the serpentine chicanery that is Arab politics; isn’t it a comfort that we have artful and clued-up politicians like Wee-willy Vague and his FCO sidekicks sorting out Britain’s interests??

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pepis/aw_Aq2SxYdY

    I’ll bet you’ll all sleep easier in your beds, with that in mind, won’t you? At least you might, if you’ve moved your bed into a newly constructed deep, concrete nuclear shelter beneath your bungalow, with a couple of years emergency rations stashed away.

  195. Y’all still there then
    Good old Andy is on form
    Should learn some manners

  196. An Orthodox priest has just been shot in Egypt by Islamists…

    http://www.trust.org/item/20130706121515-oxq2j

    CAIRO, July 6 (Reuters) – Gunmen shot dead a Coptic Christian priest in Egypt’s lawless Northern Sinai on Saturday in what could be the first sectarian attack since the military overthrow of Islamist President Mohamed Mursi, security sources said.

    The priest, Mina Aboud Sharween, was attacked in the early afternoon while walking in the Masaeed area in El Arish.

    The shooting in the coastal city was one of several attacks believed to be by Islamist insurgents that included firing at four military checkpoints in the region, the sources said.

  197. David Ossitt at 13-36 : Not sure you have got the point. In the school-yard the word `gay`means: dull,boring;a pain in the arse.The ruling caste have cottoned on to this and are outraged and determined to stamp it out;to police the common culture,without questioning what `right` homosexuals have to this word.

  198. Radford NG July 6th, 2013 – 14:41

    “gay`means: dull,boring;a pain in the arse.”

    I was not aware, what splendid non-PC children these are.

  199. David Ossitt, July 6th, 2013 – 10:36

    “We are off to Devon in the morning, I have booked five nights at a fine dining Gastro-Inn”

    Look forward to the restaurant reports, David. Hopefully no gastro-inn-teritis will ensue! 😀

  200. Radford NG, July 6th, 2013 – 14:41

    “`gay`means: dull,boring;a pain in the arse.”

    Surely the conjunction of the 2nd and 3rd terms are incompatible with the 1st?
    i.e. boring + pain in the arse = arse stabbing = OUCH!
    😯

  201. EC@July 6th, 2013 – 16:29

    surely content like that should be subject to moderation.

    🙂

  202. EC
    July 6th, 2013 – 11:19
    And so it continues ….
    “Premier League: How Muslims are changing English football culture
    […] And there is a genuine willingness, on the part of managers and clubs, to understand and accommodate the religious needs of their players.
    Muslim footballers are provided with halal food, have the option to shower separately from the rest of the team
    =================
    Really EC, some people are never satisfied. Would you really want to share a shower room with those guys? Think of the danger you would be in if you accidently dropped the soap! 🙂

  203. Wrote a lighthearted poster just now, but hadn’t heard the dreadful news about the children and teachers burned alive at a boarding school in Nigeria. Not enough the poor Coptic Christian priest in Egypt murdered by Islamics, but this destruction of innocent children too. Until I actually know that the filthy, perverted Abu Quatar is actually back in Jordan I will not believe that our air will be at least a little cleaner.

  204. I have been looking through Hansard doing some research and on 3rd June I found this…

    Rushanara Ali (Bethnal Green and Bow) (Lab): I join the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition in relaying on behalf of my constituents, a sizeable proportion of whom are from the British Muslim community, our deepest condolences to the family of Drummer Lee Rigby after his appalling murder. As part of the Prevent strategy and the new Prevent programme, will the Prime Minister look at the impact of the rising level of attacks on Muslim communities, including mosques, and the role of the English Defence League? Will the new taskforce look at proscribing such groups if the evidence suggests that their violent intentions will reinforce conflict in our country?

    Do we see that just a few days after Drummer Lee Rigby was murdered by Muslims we find a Muslim MP, born in Bangaldesh, suggesting that the EDL be proscribed by law, and implying that the cause of Rigby’s death was not the activity of Muslims but that of white British people.

  206. Peter from Maidstone
    July 6th, 2013 – 18:43
    Peter. I was abraided for suggesting that islamists should be thrown over the white cliffs of Dover. I was reminded that this wasn’t very British, and in other words jolly bad form. Well, actually chucking the buggers over the cliffs is quite mild when one considers the usual methods islamists employ: beheading, burning alive, even cannibalism. I shall now stand chastened and suggest that they should all be gathered together and deported to Pakistan and other cess pits which are their natural homes. No apologies.

  207. Anne, I agree entirely that it is necessary to ask what should be done about the adherents of a dangerous and anti-Western cult. And the answer may well be repatriation of many or most. The Government and others, not least Boris Johnson and Charles Moore, continue with the fiction that Islam is safe, it is Islamism which is the problem.

    The priest who has been murdered looks a very pleasant, young man. We will be remembering him tomorrow in our services. He is a true martyr. Not those who seek to kill and maim as many innocents as possible.

  208. I was surprised to discover, as far as I could Google, that there is not a Enoch Powell Society devoted to the study, criticism, publication and dissemination of the works and thoughts of the man in question.

    Am I mistaken? I think I would join such a society.

  209. Peter from Maidstone@July 6th, 2013 – 20:10

    maybe a few decent convictions for some of their un-british activities may give them the message that they cant get their own way.
    convictions for so called honour killings, FGM, racism would do for a start.

  210. Peter from Maidstone
    July 6th, 2013 – 20:21
    I’m a great admirer of this man who, as most prophets was not appreciated in his own time. Peter, if indeed there is no society devoted to his works, etc. could you create one?

  212. OUR ENOCH. Have been looking-up The Rt.Hon Enoch Powell M.P., P.C. re item at Spectator [Debate;Peter Hitchens].I have put-up there the link to the Telegraph’s transcript of his famous Speech.——-Also;a link to an item on `youtube`.This has two audio-visual extracts from the speech I have not seen before;and an interview in which he speaks of “the incredible self-control– patience–of the British people” and continues:”but there are limits to everything”………….There are another two youtube items I will put-up below and hope the links work.

  214. 16:29

    I have just returned from a half-decent repast at the local Berni Inn. Having tucked my serviette into my collar, I tucked into Prawn au Perverte followed by Hovercaft of Beef with Pommes Frites, liberally drizzled with the jism of axolotls and washed down with a caraffe of Blue Nun. Went down a treat.

  215. OUR ENOCH. There is another item from `common Sense against Islam`which makes the point that Powell was mistaken [to a degree] as to where the greater danger came from.———-This video has the same audio/visual of the speech as above[at 23-27] ; also a vox popular in which an ordinary woman of the time says:”If they are to form communities,how can integration take place?” A very good question! SEE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icn7dDF74yE

  217. OUR ENOCH. Considering the above;Powell’s sin was,maybe,not just his incorrect views,or his slightly demonic looks.His sin was he spoke in a West Midlands,perhaps even Birmingham,accent. Listen to it read in a neutral accent [above at 23-38] and see if it seems less contentious .

  220. Frank P (7 July 00.26)

    That sounds more like your incarnation as your naughty niece.

  221. Radford NG July 7th, 2013 – 00:21

    “OUR ENOCH. Considering the above;Powell’s sin was,maybe,not just his incorrect views,or his slightly demonic looks.”

    This true patriot, this epitome of Conservatism, this statesman and scholar held views and opinions that a great many people back then and here and now share.

    There was nothing incorrect about this colossus of a man.

  222. Despite the fine weather this weekend I’ve been a bit depressed. I had to have the dog put down on Friday. He contracted rabies after biting the mother in law.

  223. Picked this from a posting under an article in today’s Telegraph. It is an article from just under six years ago (Dec 2007):

    Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013’
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7139797.stm

    “Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.
    Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.”

    And then again, they might not!

    Do they keep their grants that funded this, or not?

  224. AWK1

    “Well, actually chucking the buggers over the cliffs is quite mild”

    It isn’t the fall that kills them; it’s the sudden stop at the bottom.

  226. EXCELLENT NEWS to wake up to

    Fuckwit Abu Quatata has finally fucked off to Jordan.
    Good riddance.
    Mail reporting his neighbours want his family removed form Stanmore. Thye need our support

    One wonders what Kieran Hayler feels about being cuckolded. 🙂

  227. Why do we tolerate the creeping imposition of slower and slower speed limits.
    Drove along a reasonably laid out B road today in Warwickshire. OK, there are a few houses but its a quietish road. So why does it need a 50mph limit and speed cameras. And this is all over warwickshire.

    In Northampton they have built a nice new road called New Sandy lane to the east of the town. dead straight and 1 turning with a right turn refuge. So why does it need street lams and a 40 limit
    https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=northampton&ll=52.256682,-0.965465&spn=0.019387,0.055189&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Northampton,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.256682,-0.965465&panoid=GN_6g_dMk9fbUE71aDcPKg&cbp=12,0,,0,0

    Looks like the road guys need to work more on maintaing the current roads removing potholes etc, and less on gold plating new ones. and putting up poles with 40 on them.

  228. BARNSLEY. There are so many violent offences ,often against women,by Muslims reported in local papers each week I no longer reference them.(They are often flagged-up by EDL members.)How-ever here is one from Barnsley.On Sat.night [6 July] a cpl. in the REME was attacked by a gang,knocked unconsious,stamped on and kicked. Significantly commentators have made conclusions as to why no description of the assailants has been given. SEE http://www.barnsley-chronicle.co.uk/mobile/news/article/6709

  229. I’m reading a lot about of Enoch Powell and a lot about Enoch Powell. If it is possible to form an Enoch Powell society, and there are many talented and able people who have already written much about him.

    I am interested in this as a project. But I need to wait until I have read all or most that he wrote, and all or most that has been written about him. And that must wait until I have some funds to be able to obtain various books. But if I can find some funds sooner rather than later then I will consider registering http://www.enochpowellsociety.org and seeing if I can get the skeleton of a website started.

    I’d hope that such a society would organise an annual lecture, perhaps an annually produced publication, would publish online as much of his work as possible, including audio and video, and would host a discussion forum.

    But unfortunately I do need to see what doors open in terms of funding since I am still a man of working age, with a family, and not on benefits, and need to earn some income, somehow, to keep things going, or to launch anything new.

  231. Peter from Maidstone@July 7th, 2013 – 16:59

    you left the “” tags out of your last post.

    🙂

  233. So murray wins Wimbledon. All we need now is to stuff the ozzies on Wednesday.

  234. Radford NG
    No info into national papers.
    No descriptions
    All proves the governments D notice is still in position and will be for a very long time.

    For the vast majority of people if its not in the papers it dident happen.
    Exactly what the government wants.

  235. Well done Andy for winning this year’s Men’s Singles title at Wimbledon, or as The Telegraph puts it, “Andy Murray becomes the first British male to win a Wimbledon singles title ….”.

  236. Radford NG, July 7th, 2013 – 16:32

    Re: Barnsley: I remember as it was in the ’70s. I’m sure that there are plenty of decent folk still left there. So, in 40 years the “C” in the Barnsley Chronicle has gone from a “☭” to a “☪”. Scargill’s legacy?

  239. Interesting expression come up on the i-net (from retail commerce) :Buy One Get One Free. So, as I recently replied to `telemachus`: B.O.G.O.F. !

  242. I gotta give it to you Limeys.
    The Herald Tribune tells me you have stopped holding your breath.
    Just who is this Murray anyways.
    First off he is not a Brit but a Scot.
    Second of all he is from the town that all the liberals round here quote as responsible for your ridiculous draconian gun laws.
    He will never be a rounded gent like our Pete Sampras.

  243. John Jefferson Burns@July 8th, 2013 – 06:36

    he is a Scot and is British.
    Britain is an island containing England, Scotland and Wales.
    He is also a UK citizen because UK is ‘The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland’

    The joke is he is a scot when he loses and is British when he wins.

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