The Coffee House Wall – 20th/26th July

Posted on July 20, 2015

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209 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 20th/26th July”

  5. Frank P – 10:23

    Heh, heh, heh…
    Two gooduns from Mr. Boot!
    Must keep an eye of Hitchens’ blog for his riposte.

  7. Frank P @ 10:23

    This is the omni-all Mr. Boot at his best, the pent-up hatred boiling over:

    Murdering Hitchens’s journalistic colleagues by the gross doesn’t lower the amorous pitch (for Putin). Neither do similar murders in and around London, some of them with nuclear weapons. Neither do three aggressive wars started by Putin, including the on-going one against the Ukraine. Neither does his mafia economy, which has made him personally one of the world’s richest men.

    Today, the KGB colonel murders journalists by the gross, tomorrow by the thousands, and next week, who knows they’ll all be dead even the ones at ‘The Rain’. As will be those around London, today some of them with ‘nuclear weapons’ (sic), tomorrow with whatever’s more potent than nuclear weapons.

    The mafia economy has enriched the Russians beyond belief for they don’t compare themselves with what we, the German, the Americans have, but with what their parents, grandparents had.

    Also, if Mr. Boot thinks it was Putin making the first move, starting the east Ukrainian war, could someone ask him (the omni-all one) which came first, the Kiev coup in February last year, or the east Ukrainian rebellion?

    All in all, Mr. Boot is just the mirror image of the one in Kremlin, the same schooling, the same way of thinking, the same tools of agitprop.

  8. The other rant of his, the one about the hospitalisation of an academician, doesn’t warrant a comment, if this is all he can find to criticise the delivery of health in today’s Russia he’s even more pathetic than Baron’s thought.

  9. Frank P at 11:01

    “…….we coddle them and allow them to corrupt our institutions.” Taki

    Perhaps he and and most others missed the strap advert at the top and bottom of Spectator pages at the beginning of July.

    (Advice:keep coffee or whisky/gin away from keyboard when clicking on link.)

    http://www.emaarmakkah.com

  11. Sorry, Frank, you’ve already posted the right link, Baron missed it, he reads the postings from the top down.

  12. Frank and Baron are off to a rollicking start.
    Start of the School Holidays has that effect.
    For me it requires endless ingenuity.
    Anyway at least Cameron is sorting out IS today.

  13. Both the boy in no10, and the other one at the Guardian are missing the point. Every law abiding, decent, tolerant man or woman of any religious creed, skin colour, physical weight or whatever hates ISIS, or any other jihadi gang of thugs. This does lie at the core of the unhappiness of the indigenous masses here.

    The festering boil that sooner or later will burst is that the two societal ideologies, the two proscriptions for societal governance – that of secular democracy and that derived from the Koran – don’t mix, cannot mix, will never mix.

  15. Jennifer Oldham (11:50)

    “Anyway at least Cameron is sorting out IS today.”

    Yeerrrss!

    What he tried to plant in the minds of the gullible punters today was the mendacious mantra which has hitherto constantly espoused and continues to propagate: the floater in that tsunami of twaddle was “Islam is a religion of Peace and that those who espouse or activate violence are the apostates of the ‘religion’ rather than its true adherents.

    Which of course is complete bollocks and even someone as dim as our Prime Minister knows it. Knows, in fact that the exact opposite is the truth.

    But demographics, though it may not threaten his own tenancy of No.10. will, within the next generation, prove that his frantic babbling and vote catching was deliberate deceit. By then he will be safely embedded in the bunce that his office generates, possibly an honorary role in the European Caliphate. Damn his treasonous hide!

  19. Frank P @ 14:38

    Frank P @ 14:38

    If Baron were you, Frank, (note: not the other way round), he would relax, have a cold shower, calm down, at your age it could be just the excitement of the idea of a fight that may zap you, and not the enemy.

    (This is meant in the most non condescending, unpatronising, humble manner possible, guru, please avoid unleashing a torrent of your massive bank on invectives, obloquy and sarcasm on the poor barbarian).

  20. A point the barbarian failed to mention when he dismissed the rant of Mr. Boot, the one critical of the health delivery in Putin’s Russia. You were spared because it occurred to the barbarian only when he was listening to an analyst on one of the Russian blogs.

    The guy was talking about power pyramids in Russia, identified three of them: The people (yup, the Russian people do have a say today, whatever our omni-all man may say, and will do next year when the Duma election takes place, Vlad is trying to bring the date of the count forward to July, most probably because his popularity is riding high at around 87%, scoundrel he).

    Then it’s the nomenklatura, which the military, the FSB i.e. the security services, and the diplomatic staff are the most powerful branches of, and last but not least the oligarchs, many of them supporting the one opposition to the Putin’s rule the West never talks about – the nationalistic cum communist Right.

    It is the super rich that are restless, and the crooner Mr. Boot mentioned (Iosif Kobzon who also performed many times for the rebels in eastern Ukraine, something the omni Boot failed to mention), is leaning toward them, he as well as many of the dollar multibillionaires are critical of Putin softly softly approach to the Western sanctions, his lukewarm support for the east Ukrainian rebels, the encircling of Russia with military bases, they would prefer a ‘stronger’ man in the Kremlin. The oligarchs are a force to be reckoned with because they provide employment, can tell those working for them ‘look, you vote as I’m telling you or you’re without a job’. The civil service lot, on the other hand, are urging Putin to purge the super rich, many of them got the riches only because they were at the right place, the right time to snatch the assets from the State.

    The analyst made no prediction of which of the pyramids may eventually prevail, but he was mildly advancing the view that the people will make the right decision next year.

  21. Five nationals of the Czech Republic were kidnapped in Libya few days ago (two journalists, a lawyer, an interpreter, and a high ranking military man), despite an extensive search they haven’t been located yet.

    The kidnap is linked to a Libyan Ali Fayed (you can google him) arrested recently in Prague together with two other men allegedly because they were trying to flog guns to two men in Prague who were US agents pretending to work for the Columbian FARC rebels (cocaine also features but Baron cannot figure how).

    Fayed’s an employee of an Ukrainian firm Ukrspecexport that trades in weaponry. It is also alleged that the taxi driver who was taking the Czechs around Libya is the brother of Ali Fayed.

    That’s probably not everything, the papers are speculating feverishly because it isn’t often that a story like this livens up the small backwater republic, the only bit that’s missing is a blonde, better still a couple of them, and Baron will keep following the story in case she or they enter the fray.

  23. Frank:

    You are being just a teeny weeny bit unfair on Cameron.
    I have just a little sympathy.
    He wanted to bomb Syria and Chump Miliband reneged on his promises.
    He said he wanted to help the US put paid to IS and his Defence Chair stuck the boot in.
    And to cap it all he is the Prime Minister of 3 Million Muslims and has to keep them happy.
    But forget all that.
    What I really want to know is why Raqqa still exists.
    This godforsaken place home of the reborn Abbasid (descended from Muhammad’s youngest uncle) Caliphate needs to be flattened literally. I know we have the technology.
    Then why does Obama not use it.
    McCain is back in the news. He would know what to do. So would most of the Republican contenders. May the Good Lord help us all if we get that truly dreadful woman in the White House.

  24. Jenny

    “… And to cap it all he is the Prime Minister of 3 Million Muslims and has to keep them happy.”

    He seems to care less about the 50 odd million of infidels he should be keeping happy. The first step is to refrain from describing the cult of Islam as “the religion of peace.”

  25. … When to all but the wilfully blind it is in the throes of another attempt at world domination by any means necessary.
    L

  27. Frank P 1817
    My friends and family hail me Jennifer.
    Did you hear the Rabbi on thought for the day just now.
    It is more complicated that Cameron or even little me thinks.

  28. She told the story of Ishmael and Isaac.
    As Leonard Cohen penned: “Said I had a vision and I know I am strong and holy but I never could decide”
    She drew parallels between The State of Israel versus Jewish People on the one hand and IS and the Muslim People on the other.
    Why even Baroness Warsi talked sense on Channel 4 last night.
    What am I to make of it all.

  29. Jennifer, the problem is that there is no clear distinction between Islamic violence, ISIS, and the Muslim people. Something like 80% of Pakistani Muslims believe someone who leaves Islam should be killed. 32% of Muslim university students in the UK support Islamic violence. 9 Muslim girls in one school alone in the UK have gone to join ISIS or have tried to go. The distinction doesn’t work.

  30. “We’ve got to show that if you say “yes I condemn terror – but the Kuffar are inferior”, or “violence in London isn’t justified, but suicide bombs in Israel are a different matter” – then you too are part of the problem.”
    David Cameron

    Especially with regard to their often expressed, sometimes silently held, genocidal intention toward the Jews that’s quite a high percentage of muslims (*) buggered then! (*) Both “British” & otherwise.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-extremism-speech-read-the-transcript-in-full-10401948.html

  31. Jennifer Oldham – 08:21

    Jihad has its roots in orthodox ‘Islam. You know, like Blackpool Rock.

    Islam masquerades as a religion.

    The person who beheaded a colleague was just an ‘ordinary Muslim’.

    First picture emerges of man beheaded in French terror attack as arrested suspect refuses to answer police questions

    “Delivery driver’s wife later claimed that Salhi was a ‘normal Muslim’ who left for work as usual at 7am today”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3140304/Decapitated-body-Islamist-flag-industrial-estate-France.html

    How many ‘normal Muslims’ do we have in Britain?

  32. Jennifer Oldham, July 20th, 2015 – 11:50 et seq.

    I will grant you that Cameron’s speech yesterday would have been impossible under the New Labour Scottish Raj or under the Coalition with the LibDems. It would have been impossible without the interventions of Nigel Farage and the success of UKIP in the GE2015. To me, as always with Dave, it was just words, and in parts they were self-contradictory.

    Whatever his motivations I’m afraid that Cameron’s words were too little, too late. The demongraphic (sic) genie was well and truly let out of the bottle by uncontrolled mass immigration from mainly hostile cultures promoted by the aforesaid traitors during 1997 and 2010. Sadly not much changed under the Coalition 2010 – 2015, not that it mattered overmuch since by then the damage was irreversible.

    Cameron’s lost credibility on a number of counts, but for me the main reasons were:

    1) His introduction of “the far right” bogeyman. The real “far right” are insignificant as compared to the disturbing activities of the UAF Fascists and the SNP YEStapo goons whose violent and intimidatory tactics have thus far gone unchallenged and unpunished. [All Cameron’s previous attempts at tagging UKIP voters as “far right” have backfired spectacularly – seems he’s too dim to learn ]

    2) His trumpeting of Theresa May’s review of Sharia Courts. Any PM worth his salt would ban Sharia, Beth din or any other religious courts. Everyone can only be equal under secular law.

    3) If tolerance is a British value then I would have liked to have heard his views on the anti free speech tactics of militant feminist and anthropogenic global warmists.

    4) If he had any balls he’d have sacked Alison Saunders weeks ago.

    e&oe

  33. PS. 08:15 “Heil Jennifer” – it’s currently all the rage dontcha know! 🙂

    08:21 – Leonard Cohen? No better reason for joining the Taliban, imo !
    Baroness (my arse!) Warsi? Flim flam, flop flop artiste extraordinaire, imo.
    (Dave’s worst dis-appointment to date in an extensive list of failed mis-appointments and misjudgements)

  34. EC
    I agree Sharia should be banned.
    Or not just banned but rooted out since it is my understanding that it is hidden yet feared by many in the Pakistani Community.
    But not Dear Leonard who nourishes my soul.
    I did say it was more complicated that Our Esteemed Leader thought and not that I agreed with him.
    I remain confused not least because my GP is Muslim and his kids go to school with mine. He seems a nice enough fellow.

  35. EC 09.41: Wasn’t it a Tory councillor who was caught out saying that the kuffar are like cattle? When I read this part of Cameron’s speech my first thought was, clean out your own house first.

  36. from speccie comments
    As one Muslim mother said to another when showing her a picture of her son “Here’s my son, he’s a Jihadist, but they blow up so quickly these days don’t they”

  37. Jennifer Oldham – 11:53

    I caught a very bad dose of Leonard Cohen depression the early ’70’s. Thankfully my innate sense of humour and appreciation of the ridiculous won through in the end, and I made a complete recovery. 🙂
    [A collateral dividend was that I managed to beat John Lennon at about the same time ]

    I have a friend whose troublesome mother in law was a patient of Harold Shipman. She was one of the ones who got away. The Grim Reaper’s ironical sense of humour, no doubt.

  38. EC July 21st, 2015 – 11:04

    Indeed. The contradictions at the heart of government.

    Multiculturalism discredited and repudiated several years ago but still being promoted by all the usual suspects.

    Cameron sponsored the UAF who are an offshoot of the SWP and whose SNP Branch goon-like troll(s) is/are currently colonising the Speccie.

    One rule of law – no ifs, buts or maybes – and absolutely impartially enforced. And that goes for Feministers who post hate speech about white men and others who refer to human beings as cattle because they don’t happen to share the same religion.

    And yes, Alison Saunders, The Devil’s Daughter, should be kicked out pronto. Her re-heated Starmerian idea of making the law subjective to the so-called ‘victim’ rather than to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt is one of the most dangerous and unjust developments to emerge from that crap ‘agency’ – the Crap Prosecution Service. Saunders should not be tampering with or proposing the law anyway. She is a civil servant, unelected and should not be engaging in feminist politics or any other political nonsense through the office of her appointment. Grayling needs to show more balls than Grieve did with Starmer (who should have been prosecuted himself for malfeasance in public office) and shut her down and preferably out.

    But the underlying issue is Common Purpose. Common Purpose graduates will not impugn or denounce each other but rather cover for each other and give each other jobs. That is the cancer at the heart of government.

  39. Jennifer Oldham – 11:53
    “I remain confused not least because my GP is Muslim and his kids go to school with mine. He seems a nice enough fellow.”

    At least he shows his face!

    But remember what I posted earlier @ 09:52:
    How many ‘normal Muslims’ do we have in Britain?

    Your doctor could be ‘quite normal’, especially when the local imam leans on the family.

  41. ColM 13.41: I was bored two nights ago so watched an episode of ‘Nightmare Neighbours’. There were two cases. In the first a neighbour was videoed invading the victim’s home wielding secateurs. The police were informed but chose to do nothing, despite the fact that there was also evidence that the neighbour had been making silent phone calls & shouting abuse over the fence.

    In the second case a 79 year old woman complained about incessant noise from the upstairs flat. Her neighbour counter-claimed accusing the lady of racism. No evidence was supplied. Within a few hours five coppers roared up to the elderly woman’s home & threated her with a police cell.

    Here we have one case of violence with strong objective evidence that the police couldn’t be arsed to act upon, & another case – obviously much higher up on their priorities – of mere subjective opinion (if not outright lying), without any witnesses, which brought the full majesty of the law down upon a frail, elderly woman. Five coppers for Christ’s sake! No wonder the police don’t have time to deal with real crimes.

    The criterion of subjective perception of a ‘crime’ is a license for malicious accusations & gives members of privileged minorities the upper hand in any dispute.

  42. Two bits of the boy’s speech stand out.

    First, his U-turn, partial, hedged, but a U-turn nevertheless when he says “simply denying any connection between the religion of Islam and the extremists doesn’t work, because these extremists are self-identifying as Muslims.” To acknowledge that until very recently he was amongst those denying such a connection he failed.

    The other significant thought, one of deeper relevance, buried in a short sentence is when he says “we must stand up to those who try to suggest that there is some kind of secret Muslim conspiracy to take over our government, or” (far more importantly) “that Islam and Britain are somehow incompatible.”

    Just few short paragraphs below this sentence, he lists what those who worship Allah have done, may still be doing, and he’s unhappy with – 4,000 cases of FGM last year alone, 11,000 cases of honour-based violence over the last 5 years, Rotherham, Tower Hamlets, the Trojan horse in Birmingham’s schools.

    How strange he didn’t ask himself a question ‘are the Muslims guilty of any of it extremists, or could it be that this is what the creed either requires them to do, allows them to do, or at least fails to condemn them for doing it. If the perpetrators of it are not extremists how does it square with British secular values then.

    The two would become compatible i.e. one if either Britain were to embrace the teachings of Islam with all its trappings e.g. AGM, the treatment of gays, women, sharia, or Islam were to drop them.

    Has anyone come across any suggestion by any of the esteemed leaders of the club of Allah that the teachings of Islam could or should in any way be modified?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/extremism-pm-speech

  43. Colonel Mustard,

    “But the underlying issue is Common Purpose. Common Purpose graduates will not impugn or denounce each other but rather cover for each other and give each other jobs. That is the cancer at the heart of government.”

    That cannot be said often or loud enough.

    The top brass and HR function of the Police are riddled with CP too, often resulting in institutionalised incompetence that is unflinching and unaccountable. Another result is malign policing policy, as Damaris’ anecdote above might suggest. Even when “they” really screw up they move on to pastures new and a bigger salary, knighthood or peerage. If any of the lower ranks screw up or have a problem they are hung out to dry.

    I’m sure, at least I hope, that most men and women in Britain’s Constabularies are perfectly honest decent people, but they would be well rid of some of their politicised higher ranks and the insidious CP franchises running their HR departments.

    RIP Jean Charles de Menezes

  44. Jennifer Oldham @ 11:53

    Like you, Jennifer, Baron also believes it’s not the followers of any creed, but the creed pumped into them that one has to tackle if it doesn’t come up to the the scratch, and however painful it may sound to those who follow Allah, theirs is one of the ideologies, religions, schools of thought, call it what you like, that needs tweaking, if not re-writing wholesale.

    Our problem is, we aren’t members of the club, we can advise them, suggest to them to re-intepret the Koran, condemn passages that are unquestionably pre-medieval, but it’s up to them to undertake the project. As far as Baron knows nobody of any position of power within the Islamic comma it anywhere has tried yet, it feels unlikely anyone will try.

    In this case, what we should do is tell them that whilst they are amongst us, they do as we do, you know, the when in Rome do as the Romans do. It’s just as simple as this, we should stop bending backwards, making allowances, failing to be guided by the statutes as most of the agencies of the State did in case of Rotherham, other law breaking incidents.

    We don’t seem to be able to even insist they abide the law, and that’s the minimum we should do. Standing up for our values may be too much for many of our leaders what with our past, but surely we could at least insist they do not break the law of the land.

    If one reads the boy’s speech one thing that strikes is how apologetic he is, saying ‘sorry’ or ‘I don’t accept this’. It lacks self-confidence. Why? If one reads any of the postulates in the Koran there’s no appeasing of anyone, it’s all laid down, given. He should do the same, there is no shame in defending our values of freedom, dignity of the individual, tolerance.

  46. And another thing, Jennifer:

    That most of those who worship Allah want to do us no harm is what Baron believes. This, however, is neither here nor there.

    Their beliefs nurtured by years of Islamic indoctrination are so strongly embedded in their psyche that when shove comes to push, when they reach the limit of what they can take, when their deeply seated convictions based on the teachings of Allah get hurt beyond endurance, their true allegiance reveals itself – they are Muslims first, anything else second. This is what lies behind some of them ‘losing it’, committing crimes that nobody, not even those close to them have ever thought they may be capable of.

  49. Btw … I would be very surprised if it’s not happening here, but our ‘investigative’ journalists seem keener on exposing the Chaplinesque capers of QE II circa 1933.

  54. Peter from Maidstone – 09:23

    On that basis they’ll be banning the kilt then? 🙂

  55. It was thought that men who dressed as women while still identifying as men might offend men who dressed as women while identifying as women. It’s all very complicated.

  56. Declan – 09:32

    The only way to deal with jihadis is ruthlessly. This is what the House of Saud has always done when it is threatened at home by the Wahabbism that they are financing and exporting to other countries.

  57. What’s wrong with anyone today, where’s Malfleur, glued to the screen watching Jones?

    Here’s something completely different, it may wake you up, you commit over 9 minutes of your life if you watch it. Since it isn’t in English, here’s roughly what goes on: Everyone’s happy celebrating Easter but an old age couple, they feel lonely, then the old man says ‘let’s play a game, visit each other.’ He’s the first to be invited, all goes well, she’s next, and things go bad. The small group of people, three kids and a grown up, running through the clip carry a banner saying ‘There’s no God’. The clown at the end says: be merry, but don’t cry when it all ends badly (a rather loose translation).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr0A5mnIVsw&feature=youtu.be

  58. Baron – 17:49
    “Has anyone come across any suggestion by any of the esteemed leaders of the club of Allah that the teachings of Islam could or should in any way be modified?”

    I expect there have been a few but all have been unsuccessful and, for some inexplicable reason, none are living.

  59. Revisiting the car crash of DAB:
    That’s it! I’m binning my digital radio: GUY WALTERS on why people refuse to accept the future format of broadcasting – because it’s rubbish
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3170217/That-s-m-binning-digital-radio-GUY-WALTERS-people-refuse-accept-future-format-broadcasting-s-rubbish.html

    But it does have subheadings that are misleading or incorrect:
    Digital Radio Plus: NOT – Say no to DAB+ and its minuses
    “Unless you enjoy the horrible ‘tinnyness’, raspy, metallic, youtube-like sounding audio compression used on DAB+ (in the current state of allocations), it would be better to stick to FM.
    … But when in digital mode, battery life suffers significantly, by the order of 5 to 8 times less.
    … DAB+ in its current form may be phased out quicker than expected”
    http://moronstalkingrubbish.com/digitalRadio.htm

  60. Where is Delingpole? He left us blowing in the wind-farms on 7th July – summer hols? Or has Breitbart de-commissioned him?

  61. Robert C (10:51)

    Thank you for that link. Very interesting; it explains, albeit in techy jargon (some of which needs some googling to decipher), why the quality of hi-fi sound on TV and radio seems to be deteriorating, rather than improving as the years pass. I tended to attribute it to my own deteriorating earsite due to senile decay, or faulty hearing aids, but noticed that on some TV channels the audio is inferior to others, so decided there must be be some other technical explanation – and the piece you linked explains it fairly comprehensively. Seems the ‘powers that be’ are still attempting to foist a bummer on to the gullible punters.

  63. Corbyn 43%, Burnham 26%, Cooper 20%, Kendall 11%.

    Labour are living proof that evolution can go into reverse.

  64. Lesley C. @ 12:22

    Good point, Lesley, if that becomes reality, the Tories won’t stop laughing. What has come over the labour movement, they seem to be giving and giving, no end to their suicide.

  65. Frank P – 12:16

    If the digital TV channels suffer from the same problem as DAB, packing more than one station in a channel, I would be surprised.

    Frank P – 11:09
    I was assuming Delingpole was on his hols, or his horse had escaped, with him on it! 🙂

  66. RobertC @ 10:51

    In the vicinity of Baron’s abode digital radio reception is off, Robert, totally off, not a beep, nothingness rules, so is O2 coverage, in some places fully, too, and the quality of FM reception gets poorer faster than the barbarian’s ageing.

    One talks to any of the mobile phone ‘service providers’ and the answer is the same ‘we’re covering the country as fast as we can’. Obviously not around Baron’s place, he has an unlimited call contract, but cannot call from home. Criminal this.

    They will however hoist the DAB money saving technology on us, not unlike to mobile operators, they too will fail to cover the whole of the country, Londoners will get it, so that’s OK then.

  67. Corbyn, for all that he is not on this planet, he does get some things right:

    DT headline: Jeremy Corbyn: Tony Blair’s Iraq problem gives him no right to comment on Labour issues

    And who was the heir to Blair: the guy who wanted to bomb Libya?

  69. “MSF say the Greek authorities have been making some effort to clean the camps but not enough”

    Hmm. And all those able bodied young ‘migrants’ laying around in tents . . .

  70. John birch @ 13:01

    Baron feels for many of the refugees, John, those with young children in particular, they fled in fear of the head choppers, the younger ones seem to be enjoying it judging by the pictures. They should not live in the squalid conditions though, they have very little to do, might as well keep the place clean, disease free, and habitable.

  72. Declan @ 09:32

    Thanks for the link, Declan, the barbarian has seen it, many others, too.

    When the coalition of the willing invaded Iraq they should have done what el Sisi is doing in Egypt now. Destroy the enemy by either capturing or killing it. They did neither.

    As you well know, before the general took over in Egypt, the country was in chaos, everyone was fighting everyone, the Coptic Christians suffered, and that goes for Egypt before or during the reign of the Brotherhood. Not that everything’s rosy today, but at least the masses calmed down, life goes on, the attacks on non-Muslim groups ceased.

    The country seems better off than Iraq essentially because we let the 400,000 of Saddam’s Republican guards, the foot soldiers as well as the officer ranks, melt away, the dreadful governor, the American Bremner (?), disbanded the army, the Guard, the civil service, the lot, many of the of military men had no choice, joined the ISIS movement that’s causing havoc, forces hoi poloi to flee. And where do they flee to? To the infidel countries of the North rather than those governed by their Muslim bothers in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the Gulf. Lunacy.

  73. Robert:-
    I heard that man again this morning and promptly threw up.
    He is a skunk.
    He murdered Kelly.
    Then he murdered a few thousand Iraquis.
    And he created the Islamic State single handedly.
    Why is he still at Liberty?
    Why is he not in The Hague?
    Skunks stink.

  74. John birch @ 17:03

    Quite, John, that’s the barbarian thinking, too, but these people have never done us any harm, they didn’t want to leave their homelands, they were forced to run because they had no desire to live under ISIS, or in a war zone. And who created the unbearable conditions, ISIS, shelling, pure sharia rule? It was the West, the Americans leading the pack, but instead of finishing what they started the Yanks left the place ripe for a takeover by the butchers of ISIL.

    Why don’t the American help today to deal with the refugees? Baron has said it before, they, the Americans, were the prime mover when the Coalition of the Willing began fugging things up in the ME. Where are they now when the, perhaps unintended, consequences of the ‘fugged up’ mission are bearing unpalatable fruit? Why don’t they absorb the flood of the refugees themselves, they have plenty of boats in the region, plenty of empty spaces in the Republic, they could probably accommodate the whole of the ME population, it would only add to the rainbow society the messiah’s keen on building.

  76. Baron, I am not sure that all of those reaching Greece are refugees rather than migrants. I saw one family being interviewed as they landed, and they said that England was their next destination. How so if they were refugees? And they are not fleeing directly from Syria, even those who are Syrians, but have travelled through Turkey, a Muslim country surely much better suited to their own culture and beliefs.

    What is noteworthy is that it remains very difficult for Syrian Christians to escape the horrors of Syria and find asylum in the UK. It seems very easy indeed for Muslims to do so. Turkey is a hostile environment for Christians, who might indeed aspire to reaching England. But it’s not hostile for Muslims, which is why any Muslim travelling from Turkey to Greece is not a refugee but an economic migrant.

  77. Jennifer Oldham – 17:10

    I assume you are talking about Blair!

    Is there anything that he touched that has not been defiled?

  78. I read this in The Telegraph’s iPhone app and thought you’d like to read it:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/11756443/Frantic-Glasgow-bin-lorry-crewman-told-driver-Youre-killing-people-Harry.html
    I said to my wife it looks like a terrorist attack and it seems I was wrong.
    I said if it was an accident why didn’t those in the cab grab the wheel and steer it into a building to stop it.
    She said , maybe they haven’t been trained to stop a vehicle in those circumstances.
    I said you don’t need training, just a bit of common sense.
    And at the court , yes, no training. Jesus Christ I give up.

  79. You know more about it, Peter, because of your work, it’s hard for the barbarian to make any points. The East Europeans are also objecting to the inflow of new migrants, but the Czechs have decided to take around 17 hundred, many of whom are families with kids, but you’re right, mostly Muslims.

  80. Frank P @ 18:03

    When was it St Augustine and his forty helpers arrive at the shores of this island? AD597 or around, right? Well, later, there may have been another arrival of someone who wanted to preach the other Abrahamic faith, it was new then, in vogue in the ME, (if memory serves wasn’t it just after AD600 when God talked to Mohamed, revealed it all?). Obviously the Allah’s messenger didn’t have much luck here, the written instructions of the teaching of Allah got shelved, the Birmingham scholars dug the remnants of it up.

    How is that, Frank, for a speculative shot?

  81. Baron, kudos for knowing about St Augustine, although it must be remembered that Britain was reached by Christianity in the first century, and St Augustine was sent to the pagan Angles who had invaded. The Muslims did try and reach Britain overland several times, but they received a rather more robust resistance than it seems our present generations are willing to consider, and were turned away before they crossed the Channel.

    Now we are talking about flying them over from Africa so that they can avoid any of the dangers of the journey.

  82. 22 July,1456:Hungarian Nobles and peasants defeated the army of Sultan Mehmed ll,raising the Siege of Belgrade.

  83. 22 July,1812:Wellington defeated “40,000 Frenchmen in 40 minutes”at Salamanca.

  84. Peter from Maidstone @ 20:17

    Point taken, Peter, but wasn’t there at least a downturn in the Christian faith when the Romans finally quit around what AD420?

  85. By luck (or rather accident) Baron watched Newsnight at 10.30 with squawking Kirsty presiding, the programme also featured a longish report from Ukraine about the Right Sector flexing their muscle.

    It must have come as a surprise to most BBC viewers who’ve been until now fed the story of a renewal of Ukraine since Nuland’s, the one of the ‘fuck the EU fame’ took charge, a country that’s going places after a bunch of Right Sector thugs chased away a democratically elected (but thoroughly corrupt) President Yanukovych.

    What the reporter (who spoke Russian) may have thought wasn’t of any importance was that most (but not all) of the heroic fighters also spoke Russian, one in particular who came from Russia and said ‘death to the Russian Federation’ to an applause of the fellow fighters, and as did the two women towards the end of the feature, who said nothing has changed in the country since Poroshenko got elevated to the Presidency, corruption didn’t disappear, life got worse. This, of course, doesn’t suggest much except that it’s hard to write off over 400 years of joint history.

    The American woman who rules Ukraine must be already booking a flight to Kiev, sadly the kissing Baroness from Brussels has been shifted, pity because few kisses on the cheeks of the boisterous neo-Nazi supporters, who hate both the Russians and the Americans (together with their proxies) in equal measure, may turn Ukraine into a fully fledged democracy.

  87. It links to the posting at 23.33:

    Baron has been following a running daily blog of a reporter from an east European country, the story of a port of Mariupol (close to the fighting zone, possibly the next target of the rebels) may be of interest.

    The town is in ruins, new shelters are appearing overnight (all built by volunteers, not the town council, the central authorities), an outskirt of the town has already been bombed, people are selling houses, flats hoping to leave for Europe, the demand for property in a war zone is however almost non-existent, most of Mercedes owners have already left, the Zhiguli drivers are next, only those who can barely afford a bus fare remain, the fishermen are the ‘cool’ inhabitants casting into a heavily polluted river, the steelworks that dominate the city are the culprit, their owner is the richest man in Ukraine Achmatov, a pro-Russian, anti-Putin oligarch, almost all remaining town dwellers she has come across want the Ukrainian forces to leave the town not because they feel the rebels are any better but because their departure will restart work in the steelworks (all of their output goes to Russia, it’s the big only employer in town). Some 30% of the people apparently favour Ukraine, 30% would re-join Russia, the remaining 40% are waiting to join the winning side, she says.

  88. __________________VOILETTE SZABO,G.C. (1921-45)__________________

    The life that I have
    Is all that I have
    And the life that I have
    Is yours

    The love that I have
    Of the life that I have
    Is yours and yours and yours

    A sleep I shall have
    A rest I shall have
    Yet death will be but a pause

    For the peace of my years
    In the long green grass
    Will be yours and yours and yours

    The George Cross awarded to Violette Szabo has been bought by Lord Ascroft to be displayed in the Imperial War Museum.

    The catalogue produced by the auction house contains many photographs;and a lengthy detailed biography.Well worth viewing.See it at:

    http://t.co/Z39PCIsqt5

  89. Sometimes one does wonder whether the Daily Telegraph is too clever by half when it does irony. There is an article, from Stonewall:

    “A shocking new report from lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans equality charity Stonewall has shown ‘unhealthy attitudes’ among health and social work staff. ”

    The article is in the section; HOME»WOMEN»WOMEN’S LIFE

    The article states some random figures, that don’t prove anything, and it doesn’t appear to address the problem of heterosexual children (possibly a strange concept) growing up in an environment where homosexuality is a norm.

  96. EC @ 13:25

    Catching the one who did this, EC, giving hims his due process, and if found guilty, stringing him up and telling everyone he got hanged because he’d skinned Cecil would cut the number of potential skinners, killers, murderers of lions (and humans) noticeably, Baron reckons.

  98. RobertC @ 12:44

    Well spotted, Robert, either bunch yields more power than the electorate, the stonewall crowd because they infiltrated every pyramid of power (the agitprop one in particular), the other lot because they practise the fatwa.

  100. I asked Bonnie Tyler if she fancied a Costa while waiting for the lorries to unload.
    “You’ll have to do better than that son to get my interest”, she replied
    “How about Starbucks then?” She said “Do yourself a favour boyo and quit trying to chat me up”
    I told her “I know what you’re up to, you’re holding out for a Nero”

  102. John Kerry’s Iranian “bit on the side.”
    [He must be really desperate for that Nobel !]

    “Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton blasted the White House on Thursday for its failure to immediately disclose so-called side deals between Iran and the International Atomic Energy Agency as part of the negotiations of the nuclear deal reached last week, comparing Secretary of State John Kerry to Pontius Pilate, the Roman judge said to have presided over the trial of Jesus Christ.”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/tom-cotton-john-kerry-pontius-pilate-iran-deal-120520.html

  103. KAPOW! Take that Al Gore & Bazza’s stooges!

    Climatologist Dr. Patrick J. Michaels writes:

    In his introductory remarks, Congressman Lowenthal (D-NY) went on the usual these-witnesses-are-climate-deniers rant. As I was the next speaker, I re-wrote my oral testimony to point out, in three spots, that people who did not recognize the low-sensitivity papers, or the huge disparity between the mid-tropospheric observed and modeled data, or the low sensitivity in the multiauthored Otto study (15 of the authors were lead authors in the last IPCC report), were in fact “science deniers”.
    Judging from his reaction at the end of the hearing, it really got to him.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/07/22/patrick-j-michaels-testifies-before-the-committee-of-natural-resources-at-the-hearing-an-analysis-of-the-obama-administrations-social-cost-of-carbon/

  104. good to hear some scientist blathering on on science today (radio 4 1630) trying to explain away the 41% increase in ice mass in the Antarctic last year.
    i imagine people were in there cars shouting ‘shut up you silly tart’ all over the country.

  107. EC (19:55).

    Seems my post of July 22nd, 2015 – 18:03 has been vindicated by someone who shares my cynicism, but who backs it up with some learned ‘data’.
    Still have a problem, though!

    Spencer has a dog in the race. And the provenance of scraps of parchment bearing the meaningless scribblings of unknown scribes, imo merely increases the already infinite permutations of bullshit upon which all Middle Eastern mumbo jumbo is based – and cannot detract from the current upshot of what the demented superstition provokes: once again the Muslim hordes are hacking their way through, or infiltrating, Western civilization, culture and politics with the objective of domination. And we are losing that war mainly because of the pusillanimous submission of our leaders and bien pensants, who despite the rivers of blood produced by these barbarians, continue to assert that Islam is a ‘religion of peace’.

  109. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/07/23/update-abortions-counted-for-more-than-one-in-four-deaths-in-england-and-wales-in-2014/

    rationality
    20 hours ago
    Whats the bet that the vast majority of these are indigenous abortions. We hand our civilisation to the invaders by aborting the people of the future. We can bitch and moan about the you know whos all day long but unless we stop our decadent selfish ways we will hand our society to them. Why are we so self obsessed? When will we wake up? Are we a people worth saving?

    Speaking to my partner about this last night in the pub and she said she would never have an abortion. We were just smiling at the thought of an ‘accident’ that really is the most exciting thing any couple can experience. I hope its soon…
    Mark Steyn made the same point in one of his books.
    If we didn’t abort, we wouldn’t need immigrants.

  110. John B at 06:33
    We don’t need immigrants, abortion or not. I see that the UK population has now risen (officially) to over 65 million. I guess that makes something over 70 million as the real figure.
    Our “green and pleasant land” has mostly gone, in England at least. Even though it is only a few miles for me to get out into the Peak District of Derbyshire, the urban encroachment is accelerating.

    Abortion should not be used as a form of birth control, but if certain elements of the UK population continue to use their fertility as a weapon, then other, more drastic measures will need to be taken.
    As hateful as it may seem to many here, I’ve never been too unkindly disposed to some deliberate eugenics in the UK to be honest.

  111. Frank P – 00:07

    We all have a dog in this particular race.

    It’s really good of Spencer to still take an interest in the UK, after he was declared PNG by our Zombified Home Secretary. Call me pogonophobic but not certain about that beard of his.

    Spencer’s Jihadwatch is a useful site, though.

    Speaking of beards, Dr Daniel Pipes hasn’t been living up to his name recently. We hear very little from him these days, for some reason.

  112. I remember, in the 1970’s, the Lefties saying Britain could not feed any more than 30 to 35 million herself.

    And, later, the non-lefties saying that we need a navy because we are so dependent on the sea lanes being free from ‘pirates’.

    So much for being nominally self-sufficient in food!

  113. RobertC – 09:12

    Somewhere along the way, in the fast approaching dystopic future of “Global Governance”(Gordon Brown, Copenhagen 2009), Soylent Green (™ Santo-Santo Corp) will provide the answer for a while …

  114. Thinking of dystopic futures: the section in TH White’s “The Sword in the Stone”, where The Wart (Arthur) is temporarily transformed into an ant is apposite.

    The writing above the gate into the ant compound: “EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY” was prescient.

  115. RobertC 0912
    Living within the Stalinist EU where farmers are subject to the CAP (Common Agricultural Policy) which is a massive fraud. That is another story. But you can see the number of once very productive farms with fields once full of produce, empty. Farmers paid NOT to farm fields. Farmers told what produce to grow. NOT what they knew was needed and grew before. We would be far better out of the EU and letting farmers return to producing crops THEY wish to grow.

    Obama again instructing the UK to stay in the EU is yet another pointer to the fact that the USA started the drive for the UK to become swamped by the Continentals.

    The worst news this morning is that ENGLISH is non existent in many Schools. The majority language is Punjabi. No doubt this is the inclusive nonsense the man with no backbone told us this week.

  118. Alexander 1859:

    I too heard Rachel a PhD student at UCL using radar altimeter data from the European Space Agency CryoSat-2 mission to investigate on-going changes in Arctic sea ice thickness and volume who said that in 2013, the ice volume jumped up by 41%.

    The crazy woman then went on to say it was a blip and we must all sell our cars and heat our houses with hay.

    Scientists should not meddle in politics.

  119. Well back to your post of 1749
    By the magic of Google translate I learned:

    “TFS marks the ten anniversary of Mohammed crisis with four international champions of freedom of expression

    They are among the most eloquent and staunch defenders of free speech and comes from England, USA, Germany and Canada

    British Douglaus Murray, Canadian- American Mark Steyn , German Henryk Broder and finally the editor behind the Muhammad cartoons , Flemming Rose .”

    I do have a slight issue with calling Dougie a champion of free expression. I do not have a particular problem with Zionists but they do everything in their power to slant expression to their point of view. Dear Dougie has a one track mind and all his posts are alike.

  120. @10:30

    another trademark error!

    “Now you know what’s wrong with the bloody country.”
    Spike Milligna(sic)

    e&oe

  121. Jenny @ 11:01

    I feel fairly confident that “Dougie’s” parents Christened him Douglas!

  122. EC (09:05)

    While I agree we all have a ‘dog in the race’ against the diverse Islamic gains and aspirations of recent history, none of my metaphorical dogs are interested in the pissing contest between the various strands of Abrahamic faith, that imho all build mountains of delusion on the scraps of recovered artifacts and documents from the remnants of territorial, ideological and religious wars of centuries past.

    My regard for Spenser cooled considerably when he was part of the cabal that savaged Diane West’s book ‘American Betrayal’. I read the debate that ensued and my sympathies remain with Diana West. It struck me that Spenser, Horowitz, et alia, were keen to keep buried the historical sins of the American Left. I agree he’s a relentless warrior against islamic jihad, but an objective scholar? Perhaps not.

    But then again, my determinist dog does tend to bark at first sniff of incense regardless of which church, mosque or synagogue it drifts from. And it gets more fractious as the years pass. So I confess to some inconsistency in that regard 🙂

  125. The naughty niece is back from her European travels and seems to be affected by the Zeitgeist:

    A Muslim couple, preparing for their wedding, meet the Mullah for counselling.

    The Mullah asks if they have any last questions before they leave.

    The man asks, “We realise it’s a tradition in Islam for men to dance with men, and women to dance with women. But, at our wedding reception, we’d like your permission to dance together.”

    “Absolutely not,” says the Mullah. “It’s immoral, disgusting and leads to depravity. Men and women always dance separately.”

    “So after the ceremony I can’t even dance with my own wife?”

    “No,” answered the Mullah, “It’s forbidden in Islam.”

    “Well,” says the man, “What about sex? Can we finally have sex?”

    “Of course!” replies the Mullah, “Sex is OK with in marriage, to have
    children!”

    “What about different positions?” asks the man.

    “No problem,” says the Mullah.

    “Woman on top?” the man asks.

    “Sure,” says the Mullah. “Go for it!”

    “Doggy style?”

    “Sure!”

    “On the kitchen table?”

    “Yes, yes!”

    “In front of the kids ?”

    “That’s OK.”

    “Can I do it with all my four wives together on rubber sheets with a bottle of hot oil, leather harnesses, a bucket of honey and a porno
    video?”

    “You may indeed!”

    “Can we do it standing up?”

    “No.” says the Mullah.”

    “Why not?” asks the man.

    “It could lead to dancing.”

  126. That’s better, let’s hit the barrel of jokes galore.

    A sickeningly rich Arab sheik cannot let the show off oligarch of Russia Abramovych to get away with it, books also a holiday in Scotland, sadly falls ill, the bloody midges get him, needs blood transfusion, his blood group is amongst the rarest, the Scottish NHS, the pride of the land of the haggis eaters does its best, finds a Scottish lad who can be a donor, ask him ‘will you?’

    ‘Of course’, the young Scot says, donates a pint, the sheik gladly receives it, sends the Scot, as a token of his appreciation, half a million dollars, a gold Rolex, a top Audi, and a bundle of shares in an oil field.

    As t happens, the midges keep biting, the sheik falls ill again, needs more blood, the Scottish laddie is asked once more, and again ‘yes’ he says readily, donates few pints, the sheik gladly receives the blood, sends the willing bleeder a thank you card and a tin of Quality Street toffee sweets.

    The unusually ‘usually tranquil and willing’ Scot gets enraged, buys a train ticket, meets the sheiks and shouts: ‘What the figging hell’s wrong with you, you filthy…

    “Stop it right there, my good friend” interrupts the sheik, ‘have you forgotten I have Scottish blood in my veins, now”.

    Baron got the joke from an American friend of his who has booked a holiday in Scotland in the same house the barbarian used to stay when he visited there. It’s easily predictable, the end of the joke, and not particularly funny.

    What exercises Baron’s remaining brain cells is this. Which of the two jokes is more likely to be considered racist by the enlightened?

  129. EC
    I am appalled by Aylesbury.
    I thought this was the preserve of the interaction of these people with Yorkshire air but obviously not.
    What is to be done?
    Why cannot we have innovative punishments like castration?
    And by the way Dougie’s parents called him messiah.

  130. And talking of Muslims, why is Ayatollah Obama giving legitimacy to to a war criminal in Nairobi?

  132. War criminal? Has he, as yet, been convicted of anything? Or even tried?

  133. Frank P – 17:24

    Another corker from Delingpole!

    I think that CMD should sponsor Lord Janner for the Chairmanship of IPCC. By all accounts he’d fit in quite well. Also, at the same time, he could make Alison Saunders a Baroness and ship her off to St. Helena as Governor. Thereby pricking another embarrassing boil… or vice versa.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Helena,_Ascension_and_Tristan_da_Cunha

    Seems a pity. What did the inhabitants do to deserve such a fate!

  136. Update:
    Tommy Robinson;`Today for the first time in 6 years I have no bail conditions,no pending charges,no licence conditions.Confiscation order paid.`

  137. Chattanooga shooting: Pentagon discourages civilian guards

    “While we greatly appreciate the outpouring of support for our recruiters from the American public, we ask that individuals not stand guard at recruiting offices as it could adversely impact our mission, and potentially create unintended security risks,” said [Pentagon] spokesman Peter Cook in a statement.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33662891

    Has there been a NTDWI incident at a recruiting office recently? Nope!

    “Only unintended security risks” to would be murderers!

  138. Christians intimated, murdered and churches burnt almost everywhere. More comprehensive evidence of the true intent of the ROP, and the sheer depravity and malignity of Obama’s reign!

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6141/state-dept-bars-christian-testimony

    I wonder how the hell Dave, in his more lucid moments, if he ever has any, can fail to appreciate that there is a global war on, and what makes him think that he can tame this fascist beast here in the UK with an equivocal speech, and by enacting Draconian laws curtailing free speech and liberties of the, for the time being, majority.

  140. EC (09:07)

    As I have reiterated ad nauseam, I do not ascribe to any religious belief, but I recognise the positive contribution that Christendom has made to Western Civilisation over the 1750 or so years since it started to play a significant role in geopolitical affairs. It is ingrained in our system Constitutional Monarchy which throughout the Commonwealth still has much influence globally. I accept its role as a stancion of family life, in education and societal cohesion. It is worth defending to the death, yet – and here’s the rub – our political leaders (who pay lip service to the Christian Church through their oaths of office) and the heads of the Christian churches seem either oblivious to the existential threat that Islam poses, or are wilfully ignoring it for short term expediency or in a deluded attempt at appeasement of an implacable enemy, while throughout the world the massacre of the Christian flock increases exponentially.

    Civilizational suicide has therefore now obviously reached an irretrievable stage. What to do, other than observe its death throes with deep sadness and despair, accompanied by deep loathing for the entire political classes of the Western World and its priesthood.

    I have just listened to ‘the Leader of the Western World’, during a junket to his native land, boasting of his Islamic name and connections, exhorting the Africans to rise up. “Africa is on the move!” he declares.

    Indeed it is, Mr President. ‘On the move’ alright – to Europe!

  145. Frank P.
    I fear that most people here won’t have any understanding of why “Jenny” and “spin” might in any way be related 🙁

  146. EC at 09:23
    The annual slaughter of “The Grind”, which forms the pivotal section in John Buchan’s last Richard Hannay novel, “The Isle of Sheep”.

  148. EC @ 12:57

    Excellent piece, the one by Douglas, EC, except that if he were to follow the boy in no10, listen carefully to the messiah, the honorary Muslim in the White House, the one who speaks on behalf of the world community, he would know that the three existential threats to the West are ebola, Russia and ISIS, the word ‘Iran’ is nowhere on the list.

  149. John birch July 25th, 2015 – 16:00

    I hope that the lurking telemachus reads that. Really he needs to have his Maoist cap rubbed in it and then be made to eat it.

  154. A joke too far for the Spectator.

    Article.
    `Keep cops away from radical clerics`:Nick Cohen (15 July 2015).

    Comments.

    Two men walking down the street;one is stopped by the not-so-secret-police and told “You are under arrest”.
    “What for”;says he.
    “For Racist hatred and Islamophobia.”
    “I never “;says he.
    “Yes you did…..we overheard you saying:`We are beset by a heathen satanic cult spawned in hell and promoted by a murderous child-molester`:that’s Islamophobia”
    “But”,says he,”I never mentioned Islam.”
    “Well”;says the officer.”Well…….what else could you have been talking about?”

    (From an old joke ascribed to Enver Hoxer’s Albania:which just shows the state of things in Britain today.)

    End of Comment.

    Up on the screen comes the msg.”Hold on this is waiting to be approved by Spectator blogs.” It then disappears.

    That it doe’s says even more about Britain today.

  155. Delightfully amused to see from his cross quote at the other place that the lurker telemachus did indeed read the linked piece and was moved to top tag his lefty indignation there, shamelessly up ticking himself into the bargain.

  156. alexsandr July 25th, 2015 – 19:37

    Another arrogant lefty big head who thinks he has the answer to everything and likes nothing better than the chance to demonstrate how clever he thinks he is.

    Another lefty scumbag – best to ignore or only ever engage hit and run – respond once with something suitably caustic and then never go back. They’ll chortle about the silence, thinking they’ve “won” but their sneers will not have to be read.

  157. Frank P & Baron

    May I ask, a propos Mr Putin: should I read anything conspiratorial into the ethnic make-up of his closest confidants? Or am I being ridiculous?

  158. Chris Morriss, July 25th, 2015 – 13:55

    Thanks. I have taken steps to obtain that and the rest of Mr. Buchan’s works on kindle.

  160. … Libya!

    If you don’t succeed …

    And I would have thought that the UK would have been my first choice.

  161. He continues …

    “The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) will only be thwarted if countries unite against “one of the biggest threats our world has faced”, the Prime Minister said.”

    But Dave, it has NOTHING to do with Islam! 🙂

    And he has FORGOTTEN Global Warming, Climate Change and Extreme Weather.

  162. Why do churches remunerate their clergy? 🙂

    It isn’t that I think they shouldn’t be paid.

    The reason I ask is that there is a religion who can can get to access benefit money that other religions cannot reach 🙂

    And this religion does promote a very unusual form of peace.

  163. Secret plan to put 5,000 heavily-armed troops on streets of Britain to fight jihadis in event of a terror attack
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3174590/Secret-plan-5-000-heavily-armed-troops-streets-Britain-fight-jihadis-event-terror-attack.html

    Looks as though we might need it soon:
    Welcome to East London: Muslim gang slashes tyres of immigration-raid van before officers showered with eggs from high-rise
    * Officers targetted as they raided shop for suspected illegal immigrants
    * Vehicles were scratched and their tyres slashed in Shadwell, East London
    * Immigration officers were then pelted with eggs by a Muslim gang
    * Comes after the PM called for Muslim community to do more to fight extremism
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3174610/Welcome-East-London-Muslim-gang-slashes-tyres-immigration-raid-van-officers-showered-eggs-high-rise.html

    The troops need to be armed with bacon butty launchers.

  164. While I’ve been gathering my thoughts to compose a suitable rant of outrage against Obama for his gratuitous and outrageous demand that the UK remains part of the EU, Alex Boot has beaten me to it and I concur with every word and sentiment expressed in his essay, which he curtails by one word in deference to his wife’s sensibilities. Let me say it on his behalf – the word intended was CUNT!

    http://alexanderboot.com/content/thank-you-barack-your-advice

  166. Frank P at 01-59

    75 years ago France fell;De Gaulle came to London:Jean Monnet left London for the United States where,under the auspices of the State Department,he laid the foundations of what became the EU.

  172. It being Sunday and having just returned from 8 O’clock in the pouring rain telemachus felt a single break of exile was called for

    I began cogitating on one Rod Liddle and whether he may well be a manifestation of one of our own respected posters who did me the honour of mentioning me last night

    I began to think this looking at Liddle’s own comments under his Special Olympics post

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/07/what-does-the-word-special-actually-mean/

    So I looked at some of his other recent posts
    I give just one further example of his nihilism

    “However, to disavow our own role in facilitating the Islamic State is evidence, to my mind, of a delusion. The same sort of delusion which afflicts William Hague ….”

    Certainly On Line Biopic is revealing….”His comments regularly cause controversy in the media…… He was accused of racism for making remarks about the African-Caribbean community….. His column led The Daily Telegraph to accuse Liddle of bias and of endangering democracy…..he offered “a quick update on what the Muslim savages are up to,” ….and so on

    What do folks think?

  174. John Birch 08.00: The best comment below the article was the one that asked why illegal immigrants are now called ‘migrants’, a term previously used for animals & birds. It’s a terminology change that I’ve also noticed & is similar to the replacement of ‘unmarried mother’ by ‘single parent’. It obscures the difference between the never married mother & the divorced or widowed & furthers the breakdown of the family by phasing out speech that assumes marriage where there are children. This is now complete.

    The lumping together of legal (bad enough in very large numbers) & illegal immigrants could be a similar Orwellian exercise in speech codes that obscure discernment & phase out the terminology that could be used to criticise.

  175. Frank P @ July 25 – 11.45

    “Civilizational suicide has therefore now obviously reached an irretrievable stage.”

    Suicide?

    No, murder.

  176. Malfleur,

    Here’s one from the vaults that you might enjoy, if for no other reason of witnessing the Beeboids’ reaction to the Trader’s comments, that were obviously outside the comfort zone of their brainwashing…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoJthzxpn7A

    BTW, after Alessio Rastani’s revelation about Goldman Sachs do you know if he’s still breathing?

  178. Malfleur – 09:24

    I was thinking 65,000,000 / 5,000 = 13,000 people / soldier.

    Even though it may be targeting key targets with armed police, it does look like we could do with most of our troops in the UK! They are ‘training for a terror attack in the wake of Tunisia killings’, but we don’t even have the will to do the low level work with any thoroughness.

    It takes a reporter to discover what that the Authorities should be prohibiting, stuff that has happened before:
    Banned staff revealed to be teaching at Trojan horse school
    Two teachers accused of involvement in the Trojan Horse plot to “Islamise” Birmingham schools have been reinstated by the school at the heart of the scandal
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/11763319/Banned-staff-revealed-to-be-teaching-at-Trojan-horse-school.html

    Maybe it is being done behind the scenes, but I can’t see any glimmer of activity or even anything ambiguous that could be interpreted as being pro-British!

  180. Redneck @ 22:32

    As for Baron, he’s seldom favoured any conspiratorial theory based on ethnicity or anything else, Redneck, but he may of course be wrong. Malfleur may be more your man, he’s the expert on conspiracy.

  181. RobertC @ 00:24

    Haven’t we already fugged up Libya enough?

    The boy cannot really do anything anyway, unless the messiah approves of it. And he, the one who can walk on water, is lecturing the Kenyans on gay rights. He might as well as tens of babies born whilst he is in Kenya are being christened “Air Force One’ in his honour.

  182. Anyone know where I can acquire a couple of drones. I have a two packages I would like to deliver to two addresses in SW1. One would solve the problem of proposed renovation of the POW and

  183. …and the other would remove a sewer of pestilence in Pimlico.

    Lord Coke of Sewer W1. If if wasn’t so serious it would make a bawdy, hilarious comic opera, written and produced by the late Willie Donaldson.

  186. Frank P @ 01:59

    Excellent shot by the omni-all Mr. Boot at the messiah’s wish Britain stays in the EU, Frank, but for one small inaccuracy. The EU hasn’t been set up as a protectionist construct against the Republic, but as an enabling vehicle for her potential suzerainty, the recent wholesale (secretly negotiated) TTIP agreement attests to it, its transient scrapping has annoyed the American elites, who’ve been the most vocal cheerleaders for the concordat, it won’t be long before they re-dust it in a another disguise, force it on Brussels again.

  188. John birch @ 08:19

    The reading on the outdoor thermometer on Baron’s garage stood 9deg C last night, John, but the ecochondriacs keep telling us June this year was the hottest month ever, the heat of global warming has hit the oceans, the lull iin the earth warming is only transient, it would come back in 20 years …. Absolute madness.

  189. Baron – 14:52
    “Haven’t we already fugged up Libya enough?”

    You know very well, no matter what we think, the answer is going to be one of:
    1) Yes, but we don’t have to create a new plan. We can use the one we used last time
    2) No, and we don’t have to create a new plan. We can use the one we used last time
    3) It’s the only thing we can think of doing to distract the voters from what is happening in Rotherham, Rochdale, Aylesbury etc and in many other European cities, like Dresden, and the Greek islands
    4) It’s not ‘Boots on the Ground’, so it doesn’t count as engaging the enemy.
    5) TBA

    Of course, they can decide which option they have taken, after the bombing.

  191. telemachus @ 09:33

    Rod’s piece about the special Olympics doesn’t rank amongst his best, one is torn between admiring his motive i.e. hitting hard at the marriage between equality and PC, or cringe at his judgment to use the disabled as the best tool to accomplish it. One of the posters describes his disabled daughter and her joy watching the handicapped performed, it fits with Baron’s own past experience, everyone of the group of the disabled wouldn’t have missed the opportunity to watch the event for anything.

  192. EC – 10:26

    I think that there was a lot more that he could have said that would have been even more shocking to them: not necessarily more shocking, but more accurately aimed at their prejudices. I thought that he lapsed into what he wanted to tell them, from the bottom of his heart. What he said was true, and relevant but it wasn’t the killer blow; he didn’t really tailor it that well. He said what traders did, not how the Authorities didn’t understand what trading, and markets, are all about.

    Following on from that clip, is this:
    ex Goldman Sachs Trader Tells Truth about Trading
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h3lByx59ns

    The first few clips (of six) give an inside view of what was going on in the City. What I found interesting was when it happened: he started just post Thatcher and worked in the Blair/Brown era.

    Not all may last to the last clip 🙂 , but the first is a good introduction to the second and third clips. They then discuss the TV programme he did, a BGT for market trading. At the end, the Q&A session gave an interesting inside view of where the City is today.

    It’s just over an hour, but you can get most of the info in the first half.

  193. Frank P @ 14:52

    This was posted as a joke, Frank?

    In the Republic, there already are companies proposing to do just that, delivering letters, parcels by drones. It won’t be long before the service reaches us, but whether it will execute what you have in mind Baron rather doubts.

  194. The naughty niece has found another little gem (I must ask her if she knows Clear Memories):

    youtube maroochydore school answering machine

  198. EC, RobertC:

    Not that the barbarian knows anything about anything, but he has some knowledge of what the two guys are ranting about. (He has never been a trader though).

    Both of them in the two clips are traders, it may be they trade financial paper, but essentially it’s not at all different from trading from a street stalls, only the trading good and the amount of money are different, the best traders Baron has met came from that diaspora of east London street traders, it’s almost a gift, the feel for instantaneous market movements that one nurtures over time, and when one scraps the mystery of financial trading, it is indeed the feel that’s the best tool these guys possess, the tool that makes them in the eyes of the public casino players. Of curse, they are aided by technology, everything is today, but that’s only an enabling instrument, the key component is their judgement, if they can do hundred trades, get it right seventy times out of the hundred they’re the top because the law of averages would tell you, not unlike the flipping of the coin, that the 50-50 rule would apply.

    The guy the BBC interviews says he couldn’t care less if a recession hits us for him to make money (he’s right, trading needs flows, i.e. prices of the stuff he trades going either up or down, or rather, which is the same, the demand for the stuff he trades in going up or down). Then he says that in twelve months it all going to crash. It may or it may not, but he isn’t the one to make that call, his expertise doesn’t lie in this field, he’s a trader.

    The other guy talks about trading then switches to IPOs, fixed interest paper, distribution and stuff, these require different skills, nothing to do with trading at all.

  199. Frank P @ 16:09

    God works in mysterious ways, Frank, and the murderous squads may have enlisted his help.

  200. The teachers will get away with everything but the suggestion for the family to move to a country whose language they speak. They’ll get them for it.

  201. Frank P – 16:09

    At least nobody can deny that Dr Boyd’s was, at the last, a well grounded climate scientist 🙂

    … unlike the imaginative Wadhams, reportedly.

  202. Frank P – 16:09

    Take 2:

    Frank P – 16:09
    At least nobody can deny that Dr Boyd was, at the last, a well grounded climate scientist 🙂

    … unlike the fanciful Prof? Wadhams whose head appears to be in cloud cuckoo land, reportedly.

  203. This is unrelated to anything above, but to the recent Iranian deal. Allegedly, the signing of the deal is a part of a long term strategy to subdue Russia, the Iranians are to become the alternative suppliers of oil and gas to Europe cutting Russia off, the switchover to take place in 2017.

  206. Baron – 16:29

    Agreed. The first chap was like a cyclist who couldn’t get into a high enough gear (today, cycling is very topical). I wish he had had a little more time to think about what he could have said, but I think the problem was that the BBC interviewer didn’t have a clue, so her questions were too open and the guy just couldn’t believe how ignorant she was!

    I thought the second guy gave a good account of what it might be like to the prospective job seekers there in the room.

    I haven’t been a trader either, but I thought the way the second guy explained what it was like in the different parts of the financial machine was helpful and something that can be carried over into almost any business, any sector.

  207. EC – 19:00

    I thought your chosen quote from the last paragraph was aimed, by the original author, at the country that has lost its direction in world affairs, at an ever increasing rate in this century, and not much more than that.

    I can imagine that a politically repaired US could regain most of its respect and its place in the world, after the next presidential election, of course! But for Russia, it cannot, as there are too many issues to be resolved, but that doesn’t mean it won’t get angry and cause problems, if poked.

  208. Frank P 15.52

    Thanks Frank, and the NN! It could be that in five hundred years history will relate that in the New Dark Age which covered the Earth from 1945 to 2445, the candle of civilisation was protected in Maroochydore and that the single most essential secret their New Australian Renaissance revealed was, that in a sane and successful world things are exactly what they are. Even the neanderthals knew that.

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