The Coffee House Wall – 22nd/28th April

Posted on April 22, 2013

This is the Coffee House Wall for this week. I won’t say that it is your chance to communicate with us, as we are all in this together. It is, nevertheless, the Conservative Blog post that has no particular theme, and where everything is on topic. Let’s just remember that we want to avoid ad hominem attacks on others. We don’t want to engage with trolls. We want to moderate our language ourselves as responsible and mature adults, choosing to use fruity language only where it is necessary. This is our opportunity to show what the Spectator Coffee House Wall could have been like.

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198 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 22nd/28th April”

  1. Local election campaigning starting where I live. Sadly no UKIPer standing. Another spoiled ballot I fear.
    Usually limp dems 2nd place. No choice is there?

  3. When is Cameron going to realise that EU membership is causing the Nation’s slow death (for most of the EU countries, not only Britain’s) or when will the Tory party realise? Today’s Times has report that the Government’s plans to distribute RBS shares to only British tax payers may be stopped by the EU:

    Plans by the Treasury to offer shares in Royal Bank of Scotland to the public are set to run into trouble in Europe.
    “The Government’s idea is to open up the shares next year at a generous discount, in recognition of the £45 billion taxpayer rescue of the beleaguered bank in 2008.
    But the European Commission is likely to try to block the plans if the sale of cheap shares is restricted to UK taxpayers.”

    This question will be a never ending sweep stake, at least until after the next election.

  4. Seems UKIP are cold-blooded animals…they haven’t made it to the sub-arctic this far north or, if they have, the temperature has made them torpid.

  6. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312807/Burma-riots-Horrifying-moment-Buddhists-set-Muslim-man.html

    It seems the Burmese have discovered the correct way to deal with Muslims is to treat them exactly as their book of hate dictates they should deal with non-believers – ie with absolutely no mercy.

    “There are at least two places in the Quran where the violent death of non-Muslims is referred to as Allah’s reward for unbelief (2:191, 9:26), as in “such is the reward for unbelievers.” Verse 3:56, bluntly states that “those who reject faith” will be “punished with terrible agony in this world” (a vow that Muhammad and his companions personally took it upon themselves to fulfill).

    In the end, All beings on heaven and earth will be forced to bow down to Allah, either willingly or by force:

    And unto Allah falleth prostrate whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly (13:15)”

  7. Clear Memories
    April 22nd, 2013 – 12:29
    Ugly photos of an ugly scene. I despise the moslem ethos, and believe they have no place in any civilised country, but I find the behaviour of these Burmese disgraceful. Deliberate cruelty and lack of compassion isn’t the usual Budhist way of life, and these Burmese are behaving exactly like the people they hate.

  9. Clear Memories
    April 22nd, 2013 – 12:29
    Having a problem posting this: Keep getting DUPLICATE COPY: Ugly photos of an ugly scene. I despise the moslem ethos, and believe they have no place in any civilised country, but I find the behaviour of these Burmese disgraceful. Deliberate cruelty and lack of compassion isn’t the usual Budhist way of life, and these Burmese are behaving exactly like the people they hate.

  11. Peter from Maidstone
    Thanks, Peter. It seemed to only come up later. No doubt my fault!

  12. anne wotana kaye@April 22nd, 2013 – 13:20

    May be your PC keeping a copy of the page in cache.
    Try exiting CHW and deleteing temporary files.

  14. Lindsay Sandford, the grandmother sentenced to death in Indonesia for drug smuggling is bleating that the British government has abandoned her, well so it should. It is no secrete what the penalties for such activities are in that part of the world and the woman has got exactly what she deserved. I suspect Sandford, like so many Westerners. think their nationality gives them a writ of immunity from the consequences of breaking local law. I also suspect that the Indonesian authorities will make an example of this woman pour le encourager les autres. If only we were as resolute in this country we would have far fewer problems.

  15. To those voters without a UKIP candidate. Go to the mirror, look into it, ask-no! tell yourself that you’re a damn sight hansomer and more clever than that Farage bloke.

    Go to the UKIP website. Enroll as a member with your nearest local branch.

    Tell them you want to be the candidate in your area.

    Get elected and implement common sense small state policies, whilst being called a fruitcake, loonie and closet racist.

    find ou

  16. Alexsandr
    April 22nd, 2013 – 14:27
    Thanks, I think you are right 😉

    stephen maybery
    That horrible old crone is worse than Ma Barker. Poor, foolish kids becoming junkies and dying a pitiful death.

  17. stephen maybery @ – 15:12

    Apologies if I’ve mentioned this here before but a few months ago on the radio here was an interview with an Aussie writer who has covered matters drugs and Indonesia in 2 books.

    After talking to locals she said that that daft Brit had done runs before but with lower grade stuff, so no innocent abroad she. The trip on which she was caught might have been her first run with the higher grade gear.

    One has to laugh.

  18. Noa 15.15: Similar thought came to me.There are as many UKIP candidates as Conservative in the Notts County Council elections(62).We will see how they do.

  19. Hexhamgeezer.
    Thanks for the info, this was no innocent abroad and she has deservedly got what she asked for. As Anne so rightly said, many foolish kids could have ended up dead because of her poisonous greed.

  20. Frank P (22 April – 11:28)

    Thanks for the link to the Dan Simmons piece. It has such a loud and clear ring of truth that it makes me feel relief in having (so far) no grandchildren.

  21. Radford NG

    I will be very interested to see how UKIP perform in the local elections.

    According to a quotation relayed by Andrew Pierce in the DM one prominent Thatcherite MP has said: ‘If we lose 400 councilors he’s safe, but if it’s double that, he’s not.’

    According to one poll over the weekend UKIP are at 17%. My own experiences when canvassing are far higher, between 35% and 45%.
    The main reaction of voters is that they want revenge on a La/Lab/Con that has collectively betrayed them and just cant wait to deliver it.

    We’ll see.
    I’ll bet UKIP’s leader, Nigel Farage, has a reasonable idea on both counts.

  26. Steyn on Caucasians.

    “…On Monday, it didn’t feel Islamic: a small death toll at a popular event but not one with the resonance and iconic quality the big-time jihadists like — like 9/11, the embassy bombings, the U.S.S. Cole. After all, if the jihad crowd wanted to blow up a few people here and there IRA-style they could have been doing it all this last decade.

    On the other hand, it didn’t feel like one of those freelance bumblers — the Pantybomber, the Times Square Bomber — finally got lucky. It feels like something in between, something new. Is it just a one-off? Or a strategic evolution?…”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/346146/%E2%80%98co-exist%E2%80%99-bombers

  28. Stephen Mayberry 15:12 – Smuggling drugs into an islamic country. Some people are amazing. Not only is it illegal, but their attempt is insulting. It says the Indonesians are too primitive to catch her. Quelle surprise! eh? Actually, Indonesia is a very nice, well-run country and they don’t need rubbish like her in it.

  29. Frank P … the Sultan Knish parable (the crocodile story) should be sent to every MP in Britain. The crocodile will bit them, no matter how they coo over it and try to stroke its head or offer some food. The crocodile will bite them because it is in the nature of crocodiles to bite.

  30. I don’t know what Facebook is. I have never visited it. What the hell is the point of this thing?

  31. It’s a way that many people use to keep in contact with networks and to advertise the things they are doing. Through efforts being made on Facebook and elsewhere I have increased the visitor numbers to the site by 40%. I shall continue to make every effort, and if those who have facebook accounts and visit other blogs can advertise the site there then this will help us to increase visitor numbers further.

  32. Two bishops have been kidnapped and their driver murdered in Syria. The kidnappers are the so called freedom fighters being supported by the UK and US. I know one of these bishops. He bravely returned to Aleppo when all the Christians had been forced to leave by Muslim terrorists. And now he has been kidnapped.

    So much for the commitment to a modern secular state which these terrorists ‘agreed’ to last week so that the US and UK could use it as a figleaf to increase funding of Islamic terror.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22259631

  33. PfM @ 8.03

    I think you’re right to have a Facebook presence although I’m still tryingto get to grips with their permissions and layout via the children’s tutelage.

  35. P From M re Facebook: ” and to advertise the things they are doing.” Why would the world be intersted in what the people on Facebook are doing? Why wouid the people on Facebook care that stanger know what they’re doing?

    I absolutely cannot imagine what the point is unless someone feels very important, yet unaccountably overlooked by the world, and determines to remedy that with a presence on Facebook.

    Being recognised for an achievemenet is a helluva a distance from being recognised because you put your name down for Facebook. Who on earth cares about all the nonenties on Facebook?

  37. Peter
    I agree with the Facebook link, though I’m checking to see how I can do so without abandoning my nom de plume.
    We need to encourage debate and broaden the membership, otherwise the Wall will become sterile. To this end I was encouraged to see a recent post by David Lindsay, someone with whose conclusions I generally disagree but whose posts are often worthy of consideration.

  38. Hi Noa, its possible to create another account on Facebook to preserve some degree of anonymity. And even if folk do not want to join the group then I would urge them to either post a link to one of the blogs here on their Facebook account, or post a link to a blog here on whichever forums and blogs they frequent, and ideally speak to other bloggers about adding a link to the Coffee House Wall on the blog list on those other blogs.

    I can’t easily do it all myself.

    With your help, in advertising the site wherever you can, we can hope to see a 100% increase in readers and visitors, with the possibility of widening the scope of debate as Noa describes.

  39. Steyn – concise, pungent and devastating – another parable of our times about the misogynist death cult, aka ‘The Religion of Peace’:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/346376/tolerating-unto-death

    It’s amazing, the MSM is still declaring ‘there is no evidence that the Chechen Bros were part of a wider conspiracy’.

    Islam IS ‘The Conspiracy’, you dumb fucks. And it has been ‘global’ for several centuries. How ‘wide’ does it need to be before you recognise it for what it is. It’s that thing behind you that keeps growling at you and biting your arse; then – when you turn around, pretends its your friend and the dog running down the road is not theirs. That m.o. is called ‘Taqiyya’. It’s allowed – and it’s ‘in the book’.

  40. facebook
    Be VERY VERY careful.
    It will try and examine your email contacts and make evryone on there a friend on FB. Its security is shite, and they care not for your privacy.
    Ensure you are signed out of google or yahoo or whatever your email is before starting it.

  41. And talking of biting, I just heard in the distance that they have charged the Liverpool FC striker, Luis Suarez with attempted cannibalism during a football match. Thought the Daily Telegraph cartoonist summed up the situation perfectly:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/

    Hahahahahaha.

    I’m surprised that Ivanovic didn’t put his boot four lace-holes down the striker’s throat , with the accompanying imperative, “Eat that! …you ugly Uruguayan b-b-b-b-bon viveur. Serbian steak is not on today’s menu.”

    What with that and the Millwall fans being rounded up in droves by the paramilitary fuzz in ‘dawn raids’, I shall be glad when the croquet season arrives.

  44. Strange story in the news today about a conman jailed for selling “bomb detectors” which did absolutely nothing – they contained no working parts at all. Funny thing is, he wasn’t selling these to suckers on eBay but to governments and military around the world. Are military procurement people really that gullible?

  45. Frank P 23rd, – 16:20

    “I’m surprised that Ivanovic didn’t put his boot four lace-holes down the striker’s throat ,”

    Couldn’t put it up the other end either…’e mighta liked it!

  46. Alexandr -16.27

    I think you have just nominated yourself as our new sports correspondent!

  47. “Islam IS ‘The Conspiracy’, you dumb fucks.” Kudos to my good friend Frank P!!

    Just for giggles, I saw my first mulsim woman in Mexico (I may have seen muslim men and didn’t notice because a lot of Mexicans are swarthy) today. She had her head all covered in a weird hibac … big, bold black and white checks and not tied on very well. It was quite volumunous. By contrast, she had on a black silk mini mini-skirt. She was going into WalMart with friends. She didn’t half look weird.

  49. Noa@April 24th, 2013 – 13:30

    then why are our useless government not going for fracking in a big way.
    cheap energy, balance of payments benefits, not in awe of foreign powers?
    no brainer

  50. What does “frcking” mean. Is it a synonym that will get past the censors, or is it a technical term?

  51. “What does “frcking” mean.”

    Hydraulic fracturing of rock layers about 2,500 metres down, thereby releasing the flammable gas trapped therein, which can then be drawn off and used commercially.

  53. Ostrich (occasionally)@April 24th, 2013 – 14:52

    perhaps better mention that it has been alleged it can cause earthquakes. not the sort that damage things, the sort that rattles the stuff on the mantelpiece.

    also supposed to be issues with polluted ground water.

    as if coal mining and oil and gas extraction are enviromentally friendly.

  54. Alexandr – Some new factoids for the leties to grab onto. Hydraulic fracturing is not “environmentally friendly”!!!!! Not only are we all going to die of global warming, but we’re going to be all shook up …

  55. Alexsandr
    April 23rd, 2013 – 16:27

    No I meant croquet, as stated! I know the difference – just. And, anyway, the yobbism is as rife in cricket these days as it is in football, apparently?

    But not in croquet, as far as I can tell. Wait a minute, though … wasn’t that uber-yob Prescott in some sort of trouble over croquet? Yes, there go …

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/legacygallery/gallery-7796/John-Prescott-runs-country–croquet-lawn.html

    I’ll bet he managed a ‘hole-in-one’ (in the bushes) , particularly if Tracy was his caddy for the day. Or am I getting my sports mixed up again? Lady Pauline got the hump and put him through the hoop over that I understand. Perhaps I should have said, “I’ll be glad when the carpet bowls season is here.”

    Nooo, …. wait another minute, wasn’t there a thing about what transpired on the carpet under Prezza’s desk. Emulating his idol Bill Clinton, or summat?

    Is nothing sacred in sport these days?

    Mind you, Prescott on her knees and elbows, fracking on the carpet, would probably release a great deal of gas – and cause a fracking earthquake, too.

  56. ‘his’ knees – sri. And even that implies he’s a gentleman and takes the weight. Oh … never mind.

    Suarez got an 8 match ban, apparently. they made allowances for the fact that he plays for Liverpool, I suspect, so one must expect that sort of thing, mustn’t one?

  57. Frank P writes, incorrectly, at 19:12 … “Lady Pauline got the hump and put him through the hoop over that I understand.”

    I thought it was Tracy who got the hump. Up against the office door.

    Your last line was priceless, though.

  58. … and talking of big bangs:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/large-hadron-collider/10016339/Large-Hadron-Collider-results-hint-at-where-all-the-antimatter-has-gone.html

    Does it matter? Or even antimatter, for that matter?

    Btw – I’ll bet the lady depicted will never get another big-bang with that hat on – Tom Jones notwithstanding.

    I know, I know … I’ve got a thing about silly hats; must have been Verity always going on about Sam Cameron’s headgear – or lack of it. In my youth they used to say, “Red hat – no knickers.”

    Diverting gigantic funds to these wacky playgrounds for scientists to bullshit each other into a state of unutterable tosh is a crime against humanity. We can do it on this blog for 30 quid per annum; must be nearly time for renewal, eh Peter?

  59. Did you note that the little Welsh Wanker, Steve Jones, managed to get his mush on the page of the DTel article on the Large Hadron Collider?

    He’s certainly in line for a Nobel Prize for unutterable leftie tosh over several decades. Boyo.

  60. For those wondering what has really been going on in the gold market recently,and why you should buy some gold so as not to let the bastards grind you down, try:

    http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/King_World_News.html

    _____________________________________________________________________

    And here is a view of the state of the economy from the viewpoint of the Austrian school.

    Excerpt: “The world we are living isn’t capitalism, as many people would like to make you believe. We live in a world of interventionism: that is government interfering in the market, violating peoples’ property rights, thereby providing people with incentives to do bad things. This is what has brought about all the trouble we face today. If we had true capitalism, we wouldn’t have the current problems, to be sure”.

    http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_12/greyerz042313.html

    _____________________________________________________________________
    Finally. Lee Kwan Yew on on China:

    http://chinhdangvu.blogspot.sg/2013/02/be-wary-of-rising-china-says-lee-kuan.html

    The latter link has the interesting feature of a table of hits on the site from visitors by country.

  61. …And for those who see China as a cuddly panda:

    “Almost without anyone noticing what was going on, two dozen Chinese troops have moved about six miles beyond the “Line of Actual Control” that’s viewed, at least in New Delhi, as India’s de facto northernmost border.”

    http://chinhdangvu.blogspot.sg/

  66. so 0.3% growth.
    BBC wetting themselves about this insignificant figure.
    Dont they realise there is no growth, no recession, no nothing. Its just a straight flat line with wobbles on it of no statistical significance.

    an in the real world, people are still buying beer in the pubs, coffee in the cafes, fuel at the filling stations etc etc.

    but, like me, they are probably paying down debt.

  67. Frank P 25th, – 02:28

    “Did you note that the little Welsh Wanker, Steve Jones, managed to get his mush on the page of the DTel article on the Large Hadron Collider?”

    If science is, allegedly, evidence based, surely introduction of any political bias is an epic ‘FAIL’ for the person concerned?

  68. What recession? the situation has been exaggerated for political reasons. I can remember the sixties when the balance of payments was never off the front page and the pound was going down the pan. I can remember the seventies when Denis Healy was forced to turn around from Heathrow to return to the Treasury. But, there was no crisis on either occasion, some time after, when the data had been collated it was seen that there was nothing to panic about. Unfortunately, Labour will use any excuse, real or imagined with which to beat the government and the press love a good story, the more dire the story the better. Plus la change, plus la meme chose as our French cousins would say.

  69. So…there’s growth of 0.3%, whatever that means…

    But the bloody Beeb is still congenitally incapable of hiding its bias. They report, “Official figures suggest…”

    They bloody DON’T! “Official figures SAY…”

    Can’t these cretins tell the difference between the two words?

  70. I have absolutely no idea how much we; the tax payer are paying Christopher Francis Patten, Baron Patten of Barnes for him to be the BBC’s part time and proving to be a totally less than useless Chairman but if what he is allowing his underlings to be remunerated then he must be on to a very good thing.

    The new BBC director-general Lord Hall (a position not advertised and with no other applicants) is being paid the princely sum of £450,000 this is equivalent to £37,500 per month a measly £8,653.85p per week, but if he is found not fit for purpose and is dismissed from the job he will only receive a modest £225,000 pay off, mind the poor chap has had to sign a nasty little gagging order promising not to criticize or to say anything nasty about Aunty.

    This very important chap, the BBC director-general Lord Hall has set on a co-worker from has last job (we are told that he knew her from his previous job, it is not implied that he knew her in the Biblical sense) but she, Anne Bulford has been handed the role of managing director of BBC finance and operations and once again this was without the job being advertised (can you see a pattern emerging) on the princess-ly sum of £395,000, how on earth will she manage as this is only £7,596 per week.

    Prior to taking up his position of BBC director-general, Lord Hall announced that he had hired former Labour culture secretary James Purnell, to be the BBC strategy and digital chief on a £295,000-a-year salary, the position of BBC strategy and digital chief did not exist until James Purnell was given it, if you were a nasty suspicious person you might well think this is an over paid sinecure for an old pal, this pretend job was not advertised and only James Purnell was in the running (remember what I said previously about a pattern emerging).

    Helen Boaden whose leadership of News was called into question during the Savile crisis and criticised in the Pollard Report, has been resurrected as the director of radio on an annual salary of £295,000 and will leave her job as director of news where her total remuneration in the 2011/12 Annual Report was listed as £354,000, a pay cut of only £59,000, Helen will not be pleased.

    On that dreadful program ‘The Voice’, the lightweight young pretty girl Holly Willoughby who hosts a number of programs for ITV is being paid £400,000 for the eleven week run despite the fact that she has appeared for less than a minute each week.

    Have people forgotten that the foul mouthed Jonathan Ross was paid £6,000,000 a year by the BBC to stay with the corporation.

    What I am trying to say is that these payouts are not just far too high but that they are dishonest they are haemorrhaging our licence fees and that is wrong.

    A final thought how can the new BBC director-general Lord Hall, be expected to clean up this mess and put right all of what is wrong at the BBC, if he has signed a gagging order that will stop him from criticising this corrupt organisation?

  71. This is worth reproducing in full:

    Flight from Sanity
    By Mark Steyn
    April 23, 2013 6:41 PM

    >>quote <>unquote<<

    Yes indeed: and what are the UK immigration policies in this regard? How many similar lunacies have been perpetrated here over the years in our climate of idiotic immigration 'controls'. The waffle from Teresa May yesterday was another manifestation of the rapidly dying embers of our national spirit. All she has to do is ship him to Stanstead in a Black Maria, dump him on to a Jordan bound kite and wash her hands of the whole affair. The 'Hurrah' that would explode across the nation would drown any weasel complaints from the traitors of our legal 'profession' and judiciary. Bending over backwards to follow the 'rule of law' when most of that now emanates from the EUSSR is exactly the same as bending over forwards and inviting our heritage, culture and national identity to be thoroughly buggered. And we can hardly call it rape when the government sanctions it. Get that evil, fat, dangerous, bearded, muzzie parasite off my feckin patch, Tessa. You want to be PM? Good first step!

    Nigel is breathing down your neck and not because he's turned on by your 'FMS'
    (ack. Germaine Greer), the game of musical chairs is in progress at present and he's getting quicker on his feet every day. He's got my vote , for starters.

  73. the bit between quote – unquote above disappeared in transit for some reason:
    I’ll tgry again:

    << quote<<

    In his column here today, Victor Davis Hanson makes a good point:

    The idea of life-saving asylum doesn’t make any sense when supposed refugees, like both of the Tsarnaev parents, can return to live safely in Russia. The elder of the suspected bombers, Tamerlan, himself had likewise just spent six months in a supposedly deadly homeland — for what exact reasons we can only speculate. Do our immigration authorities really believe that Russia is so dangerous for Muslims that they must be allowed unquestioned admission to the United States, but not so dangerous that they cannot from time to time choose to revisit their deadly place of birth?

    The Tsarnaev family were admitted to the United States as refugees supposedly because they were in fear of their lives in the Russian Federation. It’s so deadly that Tamerlan vacations there for six months. Meanwhile, thanks to Green Cards and a naturalized younger son, any and all of the Tsarnaev family can return to live in the US any time they want. Why is this in the interests (to use a quaint concept) of the American people?

    The immigration “debate”, now apparently concluded, was a joke, and Americans are the suckers of the world for putting up with it.

    <>

  75. Peter on a point of layout of this platform, I’d like to suggest that the CHW weekly thread button adjacent to the ‘home’ button, top of page, is made in larger print and more obvious for potential new readers who may miss the Wall thread buried beneath the increasing number of ‘proper posts’. The Wall, after all, is both the purpose and heart of the blog, no? Our reason d’etre … the ol’ craic.

  76. Just to be very clear about censorship. There is no censorship. I exclude trolls. If people are allowed to post then they are allowed to post. Even if I get very annoyed by an approved poster I do not censor posts. If I did censor a post in the future I would say so.

  77. EC, it looks like your post was automactically trashed because of language. I have approved it.

    Frank, I will make the link bolder, but in fact the aims and ambitions of the Coffee House Wall are much wider than just being a place for a small group of people to talk about anything. If nothing is achieved on a wider scale then it is all a waste of time. The Wall is part of the site but only a part of what is planned for the future. The real posts will become increasingly important as will other features. But easy navigation to the various sections will always be important as well, so I will make the link much more obvious.

  78. Peter from Maidstone@April 25th, 2013 – 13:29

    If one wants to write an article what is the procedure?

    I cant find a contact link anywhere.. 🙁

  81. “…there is also another tragedy that’s not being talked about, and that is that they effectively declared Martial Law…

    “So the day the American Revolution began was also a day in infamy as I see it, when they effectively declared a state of siege of Martial Law in Boston.

    100 square miles around Boston, the Governor of Massachusetts issued a ‘Shelter-In-Place’ order on Friday….

    They went door to door, forcing people out of their homes, coming out with their hands up, and with no warrants. They closed down Amtrak service between New York and Boston. It was a lockdown of the entire city. I bring this up because as we look at the global trends shaping the future, we see social breakdown throughout the world.

    They went door to door, forcing people out of their homes, coming out with their hands up, and with no warrants. They closed down Amtrak service between New York and Boston. It was a lockdown of the entire city. I bring this up because as we look at the global trends shaping the future, we see social breakdown throughout the world. ”

    http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/4/23_Celente_-_Sneak_Peek_At_New_Trends_Journal_%26_Boston_Tragedy.html

    This is an aspect of the Boston bombing which as Celente says has not really been properly examined examined. It illuminates a variation on the Stockholm Syndrome which the police, in principle ordinary members of the public, undergo when they identify with the banker controlled governments of the new fascism in the West.

  82. David O – thanks for your post on the BBC. It doesn’t matter whether the new, unelected … and I assume the job wasn’t advertised? – DG is a placeman or not. The point is, the BBC should not exist.

    There is no conceivable reason for it to exist, given the hundreds of channels available worldwide. It is obscene that a small cadre of privileged people are able to leach money out of the pockets and wallets of British people who have made the trivial commitment of buying a TV.

  83. Frank P.

    “The Wall, after all, is both the purpose and heart of the blog, no? Our reason d’etre … the ol’ craic.”

    I second that, in my opinion the current weeks ‘Wall’ should always be the first item at the very top.

  84. Peter my eyes must be getting dim, I had not noticed and therefore I have never used the quick link to the wall placed directly to the right of the ‘Home’ button.

    With this quick link being available I no longer think that the current weeks wall should be at the top.

  85. Frank P: “Diverting gigantic funds to these wacky playgrounds for scientists to bullshit each other into a state of unutterable tosh is a crime against humanity. We can do it on this blog for 30 quid per annum; must be nearly time for renewal, eh Peter?”

    To respond to Frank. There are increasing costs associated with running the site and trying to develop it beyond an open talking shop. If anyone wants to support these costs by making a contribution of whatever size then there is a DONATE button just to the right of you.

  86. David Ossitt

    Did your wife finally give you that Kindle? If so, how did it work out? I am still undecided whether to buy one. I can’t remember if you already said

  88. Peter

    “so I will make the link much more obvious.”

    thanks, that’s all I suggested. As for the ‘importance’ of the blog; the relative ‘importance’ of its disparate content, and the motivation of each of us for hanging out here, perhaps we should all make up our own minds in that regard. A blog is a blog is a blog … let’s not get too pretentious. I was merely looking for ease of access to what you rather snootily dismiss as the ‘talking shop’ (and ‘waste of time’ to boot), which originally was our reason for decamping from Trolltopia. Like David O, I missed the top link to it for a while because the font size is so small and scrolling through other ‘proper’ posts to find the Wall recently became an irritant. Hence my suggestion.

  89. Malfleur April 25th, 2013 – 16:50

    David Ossitt

    “Did your wife finally give you that Kindle? If so, how did it work out? I am still undecided whether to buy one. I can’t remember if you already said”

    No she did not, I did seriously think about her buying me one but I love books, not just for he reading but the look and the feel of them and at the last count I have over a dozen new books that I have not read yet and hundreds and hundreds that I would like to reread.

    In the end I asked for and received a small all brass telescope such as Horatio might have used.

  90. Peter – I endorse every word that Frank P posted above.

    We have all given our time and goodwill to make the blog a success, which it is, with no clue given that you planned to use it as a platform to establish a larger profile.

  91. I must say that your views are a little hard to understand Verity? The blog keeps going but it is not yet a success at all. If you don’t want to post anything because I have other well advertised plans to make the site of greater use to the conservative movement then that is your right. But it seems a very odd view for anyone to take.

  92. Frank P, you tend to adopt a very aggressive attitude for some reason. I have not said anything about a ‘talking shop’ so that is a lie. I gave not suggested anything it a ‘waste of time’ either so that is a lie as well. And if you really think that wanting to do something about the state of the UK rather than just endlessly complaining about it is ‘pretentious’ well that is your choice – but you don’t believe we have choices?So my views about wanting to do something to help our nation are also ones I can do nothing about holding and therefore your rather harsh criticism seems misplaced.

    Do you really think that just because something causes something to start over a year ago there can be no development? And have you not read any of the proposals I have made over the last year or more entirely openly?

    Nothing will stop you accessing the Wall. It will always be a core component of the site as I have already stated. The rest of your rather unpleasant comments don’t make me feel that there has been much success in forming a conservative community that wanted to actually do something.

  93. David Ossitt 25th, – 19:02

    “such as Horatio might have used.”

    To “see no ships”?

  94. I have started to read King World News regularly because I find the interviews on the gold market illuminating in the context of the ongoing crisis of fiat currencies. Nige Farage was a metal trader I believe before his country called. He has the occasional audio interview posted on that site.The most recent was dated 19th April.

    Today King World News carries an interview with a money manager called Stephen Leeb who alleges that the United States has been lying about the inflation rate in the USA. He states that in the 1990s Americans were spending 22% of their before-tax income on food, but now for a family of four it is closer to 30%.

    What has been the experience of CHWs in England over that period? What is the direction of food prices now?

    In order to obtain a realistic figure it is presumably necessary to take into account that artifically low interest rates and the devaluation of the sterling has been robbing savers, workers and pensioners of income and if a “Cyprus moment” occurs in Britain a lump of cash in the bank may disappear as well, as a contribution to a “bail in”.

  95. Malfeur, can we be confident any more that any deposit in the bank will be safe. Or any second home. Or any primary home above a certain value. It could all be called upon for the ‘common good’ and since most would not be affected could all be gathered in to allow continuing spending on the needy.

  96. Sultan Knish (on the blogroll, upper right) has written a dynamite (stet) post on his blog. Regarding islamic terrorism. It’s a must read. Pour a drink or a cup of tea and settle in to an excellent read.

  97. Peter from Maidstone (13:29) & (13:26)

    You call me a liar, chummy?

    Well .. let me quote you verbatim:

    ” … in fact the aims and ambitions of the Coffee House Wall are much wider than just being a place for a small group of people to talk about anything. If nothing is achieved on a wider scale then it is all a waste of time.”

    QED!

    You accuse me of ‘tending to be aggressive’: I merely made a suggestion about making the link to the Wall a little more obvious, as I felt any new visitors to the blog might miss it among the recent spate of ‘proper posts’ and that those of us with piss-poor eyesight find the font-size a little tricky. For that I got a lecture; thank you.

    You accuse me of ‘only complaining about the country all the time and doing
    nothing’. Really?

    Actually I spend a great deal of time doing something: for example surfing the intertubes, watching and reading, corresponding and researching; placing the results of that vigilance with appropriate links on your blog – and linking your blog to a wide variety of contacts around the world with whom I correspond.

    Also, I attempt to keep your punters (some of whom I consider to be my friends) amused and informed with comments and posts that are mostly not designed to change the world (which will proceed inevitably on its way, regardless of, or even including, my trivial twaddle), but to express an opinion, sometimes in the form of a tongue-in-cheek rant; sometimes in a serious and measured way when recounting personal witness and experience. And teasing you about the GSOT.

    I do not lie. Not because your God tells me, “Thou shall not bear false witness” but because I am honest; often, I confess, to the point of bluntness, because that is the nature of the beast – Frank in both name and nature – and not a beast that has to answer to God, but one who has a conscience based on an innate sense of right and wrong.

    If you think it’s a waste of time: not to be measured against your overweening ambition to ‘do something important for conservatism’ then perhaps I’m hanging about in the wrong saloon.

    If you consider those are ‘unpleasant remarks’, then you should re-read some of hour own portentous, didactic proselytising and maybe acquire a sense of humour by reading also some of the other posters here who are quick witted and funny – they keep me cheerful in my dotage and failing health – to them I express gratitude. If this blog is merely an extension of your pulpit, then I suggest that you make that clearer than the link to the week’s Wall.

    I have no wish to quarrel with you on your own patch, but watch your tongue when you call people ‘liar’. My inference was justified. If you did not mean what you said, then obviously should have phrased it better.

    Moreover, if you had spent your life in direct physical contact on the streets, in the Courts and in the corridors of power, mano a mano with the very people who you are anxious to ‘do something’ about, you might understand why I don’t suffer fools gladly. And why at my stage of life I do tend to make light of events which I know I can do little about.

    You are, Sir, are an ungrateful prick – and if that’s Christianity, I have to look no further to understand why as a philosophy it is generally failing, from Archie Cuntsbury down to its lower functionaries, when some its practitioners are so full of shit they should flush (and blush) occasionally – and apparently do neither.

    I shall now take the advice of Mr Alexander Boot (thanks again Andy Car Park)

    http://alexanderboot.com/content/%E2%80%98listen-play-love-revere-%E2%80%93-and-keep-your-mouth-shut%E2%80%99

    who knows how to blend his Christianity with a touch of self-effacing humour and listen to a little Bach:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xw7yfd_j-s-bach-arioso-bwv-156-version-1-played-by-pascal-beausseron_music#.UXnYRaI4uSo

    That should purge me of my ‘unpleasantness’.

    Nighty-night.

  98. Frank, so you agree that I didn’t say that the Coffee House Wall was a ‘talking shop’ (which carries a negative connotation) and you also agree that I did not baldly say the Coffee House Wall was a ‘waste of time’ either. QED.

    Once again you find it irresistable to mention God and Christianity, though neither were the subject of the thread.

    For the rest, well you are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to stick to the principles I try to put into practice here and allow you to post what you want about me. At least your views of me, over what must have been a very long period, are pretty clear.

  99. FYI, the site navigation will be further developed as I have time so that the Coffee House Wall threads and the Blog Posts become separate and more easily navigated. The intent is always to provide a core space for open discussion and to make this, and other aspects of the site, as easily navigable as possible.

  100. I’ve not seen this before, but I like it:

    “A government big enough to give you everything that you want is big enough to take everything that you have.”
    Thomas Jefferson

  101. Conducting bitchy arguments in full view of our cultural enemies is unprofessional and entirely counter productive.

  104. Frank P – You’re very welcome.

    My original recommendation of Alexander Boot’s blog has manifestly influenced the course of the site owner’s political/proselytic activities and, on that evidence, would seem to have enriched his intellectual life considerably, yet not a batsqueak of acknowledgement have I ever received.

    While personally I do not give a rat’s arse for this snub, in the context of his latest admonitions, I think this small detail is tellingly consistent with your portrait of a churlish, sanctimonious prig.

    You are right that I don’t visit this site very often, having never really taken to the place, WADR to you and Noa. I only visited today to investigate some brouhaha, as publicised by tele. What I have found smells like a moribund autocracy, whose abandonment by the residents, like the abandonment of Hattusa by the Hittites, is probably long overdue. Adios.

  105. My naughty niece interjects to lighten things up a little before we get involved in REALLY doing something to change the world:

    B & Q JOB APPLICATION

    This is an actual job application that a 75-year-old pensioner submitted to B&Q in Tunbridge Wells [allegedly].

    They hired him because he was so funny…..
    This is a genuine application form for a position at B&Q. Wouldn’t you just love to!!!……………

    NAME:
    Kenneth Way (Grumpy Bastard)
    SEX:
    Not lately, but I am looking for the right woman (or at least one who will cooperate)
    DESIRED POSITION:
    Company’s Chief Executive or Managing Director. But seriously, whatever’s available.
    If I was in a position to be picky, I wouldn’t be applying in the first place – would I?
    DESIRED SALARY:
    £150,000 a year plus share options and a Tony Blair style redundancy package.
    If that’s not possible, make an offer and we can haggle.
    EDUCATION:
    Yes.
    LAST POSITION HELD:
    Target for middle management hostility.
    PREVIOUS SALARY:
    A lot less than I’m worth.
    MOST NOTABLE ACHIEVEMENT:
    My incredible collection of stolen pens and post-it notes.
    REASON FOR LEAVING LAST POSITION:
    It was a crap job.
    HOURS AVAILABLE TO WORK:
    Any.
    PREFERRED HOURS:
    1:30-3:30 p.m. Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday.
    DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIAL SKILLS?:
    Yes, but they’re better suited to a more intimate environment.
    MAY WE CONTACT YOUR CURRENT EMPLOYER?:
    If I had one, would I be here?
    DO YOU HAVE ANY PHYSICAL CONDITIONS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT YOU FROM LIFTING UP TO 50 lbs.?:
    Of what?
    DO YOU HAVE A CAR?:
    I think the more appropriate question here would be ‘Do you have a car that runs?’
    HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL AWARDS OR RECOGNITION?:
    I may already be a winner of the Reader’sDigest Timeshare
    Free Holiday Offer, so they tell me.
    DO YOU SMOKE?:
    On the job – no! On my breaks – yes!
    WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE DOING IN FIVE YEARS?:
    Living in the Bahamas with a fabulously wealthy Swedish supermodel with big
    tits and who thinks I’m the greatest thing since sliced bread. Actually,
    I’d like to be doing that now.
    NEAREST RELATIVE?:
    7 miles
    DO YOU CERTIFY THAT THE ABOVE IS TRUE AND COMPLETE TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE?:
    Oh Yes,
    Absolutely.

  111. Recommended: “Boomerang by Michael Lewis, first published in 2011, which I am presently reading and which has dealt so far with the recent financial rise and fall of Iceland, Greece and Ireland.

    It reports for instance that the construction by Alcoa of an aluminium smelter was held up for six months while the appropriate Icelandic government agency carried out the work necessary to certify that there were no elves on or under the proposed site.

  112. Alexander Boot’s piss-take on a recent High Court ruling on rape is an example of his delicious irony that shouldn’t be missed. Serious subject, of course, but made risible by legal gymnastics. (Click on blog-roll).

  113. FP @ 16.20

    Have discussed this with wife who, being younger and biz tech savvy (?) suggest we (and others) could adopt Facebook to outline any proposed maneuverings, including time and place, so parameters can be agreed and witnessed publicly without recourse to a lawyer mangled contract. Any 3rd party can ‘Like’ the proposal so validating it.

    Provisional roll-out set for August.

    Can’t wait.

  119. LABOUR PARTY the party of patriots. Yes, but of which patria?

    I think it was Baroness Warsi, a canary in ‘New Labour’s’ cage, who first floated the idea of a link between the BNP and UKIP a couple of years ago. The Party which learned the art of the political smear from the knees of Old Joe Stalin – one of whose great-nephews now operates as the boy poster at the other place – has found other black hands just recently to force UKIP into admitting the blindingly obvious, namely that it cannot check the backgrounds of all its members. Why there might even be some former communists in there or of the grossly incompetent Labour Party.

    But what OF the Labour Party; who has been checking the checker? Baron Healey of Riddlesden, the famous photographer and National Treasure, goes way back. At Oxford, we are told, he joined the Communist Party in 1937 during the Great Terror but left in 1940 after the fall of France. Most convenient. HaroldWilson, a KGB agent? Who knows; who cares? Michael Foot? Soviet Union? All history. And anyhow, what was so wrong with the Soviet Union? After all, Mao’s China murdered far more than the easy-going soviets – in peacetime well over 70 million in the estimate of Jung Chang and Jon Halliday, authors of Mao – the Unknown Story. Mao is gone too and a bright knew capitalist-communist crossbreed in place. Nobody in the Labour Party worked or works for them, do they?

    But… just to be sure, can we have a Labour Party investigation please into the allegiances and prior allegiances of its members and high-fliers? Starting tomorrow.

    Oh, and include allegiances to the EU and to Arab Emirates etc., etc. in the brief, will you?

    Any suggestions who should be on the Labour Party Committee of Public Safety to look into this matter?

    Nothing libellous, please.

  122. Remember Emma West……..the Croydon tram woman arrested Oct 2011?Her case was adjourned for the FIFTH time on 9 April until the 10th of May.It is being suggested she is being played around with because she refuses to plead guilty.Items can be found by googling`emma west trial`.The best blogs are at England Calling and at The Libertarian Alliance;which also has a video and transcript of a race-hate rant on a bus by a black woman.

  125. Malfleur & David O

    Beck has some good sources, but goes a bit over the top with his analysis at times, filling in dotted lines with speculation that is sometimes less than measured. There is certainly something iffy about the Saudi ‘suspect/not a suspect/person of interest’, but there are lots of sub-agendas at work in both the Benghazi and Boston fiascos. CIA covert operations and complex inter and intra agency turf disputes are rife and the party political point scoring in the run-up to the mid-term elections is rancid. Everything that comes out of the propaganda machines of the US administration, the GOP, the overlapping LE and Security agencies has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Then factor in the vested interests of the markets and overseas investments (not to mention the commercial interests of The Blaze and the edgy relationship between Beck and Fox since he was let go from Fox) and the picture gets very messy indeed. As ever, the resultant chaos is to the benefit of the jihad- and they know it and exploit it to the full, aided and abetted by the traitorous Leftist elements throughout the West. If only the ‘Clash of Civilisations’ was between ‘Them’ and ‘Us’. Seems to me that Plato’s ‘define your terms’ imperative is impossible in the current climate. Who are ‘they’ and perhaps more importantly, who are ‘we’. In WW2, even as a kid, I could answer that. In this war, I can’t. Therein lies our defeat – because ‘they’ can, because ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’ is part of their twisted ethos.

  126. The Telegraph seems to have released its attack whelps against UKIP today. I wonder what’s rattled their cage.

  127. To make my point a little more prosaically:

    http://nation.time.com/2013/04/24/sex-with-guards-in-baltimore-prison-scandal/

    Does ‘We’ include a nation that allows this to go on within its borders?

    I thought ‘The Wire’ was a gritty and realistic TV series that gave us a flavour of the problems of Maryland policing and corrupt politics. The reality described in this report make The Wire look positively tame.

    Sometimes a ghostly shadow of doubt crosses my mind about whether or not the Muzzies might have something – in their contempt for amorality of the US of A.

    Disturbing!

  129. I suggesst that we stop adopting sand tick usage. For example, the word “jihad” is theirs and carries connottions and overtones that we are not fully aware of. Nor should we substitute the usage with “holy war”. It is not a holy war because nothing about this primitive belief system is “holy” in any sense of the word.

    The “god” that a very backward nomadic people have dreamed up is not on a level with Christianity, Buddhism and Hinduism and does not deserve a similar level of deference.

    Muhammad (capitalised because it begins my sentence) was an illiterate, primitive man of some means living in the desert. They worshipped the moon. Mo’ suffered from epilepsy — at that time unknown to them, as, indeed, was almost everything else — and a village scribe took down what he thought might be the words this important man in the village muttered during seizures in the assumption that mo’ was receiving messages from a diety. Google “mohammad and epilepsy”.

    They based a whole religion on this!

    Let us also bear in mind that the allah-grovellers are still primitive. By far the greatest percentage of children under permanent care in the NHS and other government organisations, were born to islamic parents who had been first cousins for generations. They are a tremendous burden-for-life on the British taxpayer.

  130. Radford NG
    April 27th, 2013 – 08:22

    Thanks for the pointer to England Calling. Who is this chap, Robert Henderson? He sounds very sharp. Poor Emma West is caught in the remorseless logic of the politically correct machinery of government. I doubt that anyone of influence is going to put his head above the parapet to shoot down her tormenters. However, ‘attention must be paid!’. Are any of the tabloids getting behind her?

    Even more impressive is Henderson’s devastating critique of Margaret Thatcher as a ‘useful idiot’ of liberal internationalism.

    I have not yet had time to read his strategy and tactics for those who want to leave the EU but I imagine it may provide food for thought for UKippers.

  131. Glenn Beck has done yeoman work in identifying numerous worrying and contradictory facts that suggest, in the absence of US government clarification, collusion between the US administration and Saudi Arabia to ends that are not clear, but also to prevent the people from knowing and questioning what might be the purpose of that collusion and whether it is in the interests of the American people.

    Perhaps the American people are too child-like to be entrusted with such responsibility which should be confined to the jurisdiction of wiser heads such as B. Obama, C. Hagel, B. Bernanke, the Interior Minister of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the Can’t Investigate Anything, Goldman Sachs and Donald Duck.

    Bill Whittle still knows the difference between them and us:

    http://thehayride.com/2013/04/bill-whittle-video-enemies-of-the-state/

    Tazers for all United Kingdom subjects as of right should perhaps be on our agenda over here coupled with an equivalent of the Second Amendment to the United States constitution….

    Now about this question of checking the allegiance to the United Kingdom of members of the Labour Party…

  132. Obama’s a muslim. Why can’t people get that through their heads? On his school registration when his mother married an Indonesian and moved to Indonesia, under Religion, is said Muslim.

  134. And following on from Dell-boys excellent piece, the Commentator has an article on how the conservative are hurriedly trying to mount a concerted dirty tricks campaign against UKIP and its council election candidates. Seems pretty thin stuff, ably countered by Farage’s insouciance and ‘so what’ attitude.

    And the sort of hard truth twittered by Brett Lynes will appeal to, not repel voters.

    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3371/exclusive_leaked_documents_reveal_tory_spinners_in_intensive_anti_ukip_media_briefings

  135. Good combo on this clip; Allen West and Andrew McCarthy:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXnM9JHHP_0

    It defines the problems and suggests some adjustments to perceptions. No chance while Obama is in the Oval Office, though. But the message needs propagation in order to make sure that his Administration and pick for the next POTUS does not prevail.

  136. Paul J.
    April 26th, 2013 – 20:31

    Thanks for the link to the Bloom speech on defence procurement. Gloriously “incorrect” and great applause reserved for his call, after drawing attention to the fact that our overseas aid budget is only marginally smaller than our defence budget, to chop all the heads off the government on Tower Hill. Someone else then whose thoughts are turning to charges of treason and as he noted that UKIP has the highest proportion of ex-servicemen of all the main parties – so there may well be a Thomas Fairfax somewhere in UKIP to take on that responsibility with the necessary commitment and enthusiasm – though possibly wearing a blazer rather than the lobster tail helmet when carrying it out!

    Incidentally, I was in Thailand last week and saw some stunning “lady boys”, very tall (assisted by high heels) and beautiful, with gorgeous dresses and plumed headdresses (See references in speech to Clegg).

  137. Malfleur, The whole of Thailand gives me the creeps. (Not that I’ve ever been outside Bangkok, but I know I don’t like them.)

  138. Greeks on EU imposed austerity. A flavour of what it’s like in Athens at the moment.

    “The euro is the problem, no doubt,” said the co-owner of a medium-sized hitech business, “but if Greece were to go it alone and quit the euro, our business would be destroyed by a loss of credit confidence internationally. People like us want the euro to fail completely, so everyone will have to start again”.

    Will the Euro fail completely? It wouldn’t be allowed to. Surely the death of the Euro would also be the death of the EU?
    Barroso and Van Rumpoy would be swinging by their heels from lamposts…

    http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/crisis-athens-how-austerity-is-destroying-those-who-would-compete-with-multinational-power/

    H/T Moraymint

  139. Noa – I like that “swinging by their heels” bit. I might add a few more people to the cast of characters swinging by their heels, though.

  140. Read about our “English boys” abroad. Fortunately they’re back home with us now.

    And due for release soon.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22310419

    It seems that, whilst the bastards wanted to murder us, we were saved by their ‘English’ upbringing, which had made them too soft to endure the rigours of a Pakistani Al quada training camp; the loo a hole in the ground”.

    Poor dears! Relief at last for them.

    “More toilet paper in this cell, jaldi, jaldi warden!”

  142. I’ve just been away for a couple of days with my wife to the New Forest. On the way back we had to leave the M25 because of a crash and so we drove (slowly) back through Westerham and Sevenoaks. I was pleasantly surprised to see a very great many obviously placed UKIP posters, some of very large size, while I saw only one very small Conservative poster, and no Labour or Libdem, throughout the drive from Junction 6 back home. Very interesting and encouraging.

  143. Headlines on Sky News: UKIP candidate outed as”homophobic’. Thinks young men should do Victorian Spartan exercises to keep ’em from becoming ginger. A spokesman for a magazine called ‘Arse Bandits’ Gazette’ or some such, insisted that most of members of his gym were very good at touching their toes. Suggested that the UKIP guy would lose a lot of votes. More than he would gain, I wonder? What’s the skinny, Noa? Hope he’s my constituency candidate. I’ll vote for him twice.

  144. The Daily Mail is running a story about how those involved in the Breivik Massacre on Utoya Island, Norway, are coping. It was a dreadful incident, but I noticed that there were reports describing some of the victims as children.

    What, I wondered, were children doing at a political rally? So I googled!

    http://1389blog.com/2011/08/01/utoya-youth-camp-was-fatah-plo-camp-for-nearly-15-years/
    “It was a summer indoctrination camp run by Norway’s ruling Labor Party for up-and-coming children of the ruling elite.

    Glenn Beck was not far off when he compared it to the Hitlerjungend or Young Pioneers.”

    Ah! So now we know why the BBC and other media are so feeble with their reporting of this massacre!

    We complain about our politicians living in a separate world. To coin a phrase, “the elite all marry each others’ sisters” so, ensuring the children of these elite have coaching, (for Labour Party, read Socialism,) will only entrench their power in the next generation. Not only have our elite never had a proper job, their children will be whisked into similar elite positions without entering the world of real work.

    This angle has not been aired enough because, in the minds of the Left, it would question the carefully re-worked story of an evil force destroying the innocent for no reason what so ever.

  145. I see that UKIP posters on 4′ x 4′ billboards on private land have been destroyed on Thanet in Kent. It looks like there is a general effort from several parties, including the media, to do the dirty on UKIP wherever and however they can.

  147. “What’s the skinny, Noa? Hope he’s my constituency candidate. I’ll vote for him twice.”

    As opposed to giving him one, erm, vote eh, Frank?! Wicked!

    UKIP’s a broad church. Must be the habits engendered by all those CofE vicars. It’s not compulsory though, certainly not in the North. Where men are men and foreplay is a hearty, dual syllabled, ‘brace thee’sen lass’.
    And it’s horses for courses. One of our local candidates, in the inner city/uni area, is in a civil partnership, so he, and we, can’t be accused of the reflex Leftie ‘hate crime’ garbage.
    On the key questions of nationalism, control of our borders and Article 50 notice of withdrawal, a taste and propensity for inter-anal, as opposed to inter-crural intercourse should, so to speak, come second.

  148. The attacks on UKIP won’t work because, it seems, the public-at-large have at last seen through the media and Farage, in particular, has realised this. Interviewers are used to politicians wriggling when asked an ‘awkward’ question.

    BBC Interviewer Question “And finally Mr Farage, do you always go to the lap-dancing club when you’re in Strasburg?”

    Farage “Yes.”

    Cue collapse of interview.

  149. Malfleur;27 Apr.at14.50:There has been no coverage of the latest Emma West trial in the papers or other media.I just recalled she had been due for trial earlier this month, about which I’d heard no report,and looked it up.//…….//Robert Henderson’s name can be found in Wikipedia.He first caused scandal by an article in Wisden of all places:then was accused of writing letters pestering `Tony and Cherie`.

  150. Peter from M. ;Apr.27 at 22.52 :`UKIP posters destroyed on Thanet`…….Grendel’s MOTHER!!!……..perhaps?There are a lot of claims Beowulf was set on the north Kent coast,which seem reasonable sound.[google `beowulf isle of sheppey` and `beowulf thanet`]

  151. WHITE RASPBERRIES, ANYONE?

    Sunday morning, and I am sitting in my cafe drinking tsokolate eh and reading the Financial Tims Weekend edition. Gideon Rachman interviews Martin Shultz, president of the European Parliament. Neither manages to mention Nigel Farrage which gives you the measure of both the FT and Shultz.

    I turn to the Food and Drink page and am informed by the newspaper’s wine correspondent that Chateau Latour now costs “three digits a bottle” – the one and only bottle I have drunk was bought in Berry Bros. for thirty shillings a long, long time ago.

    Anyhow, my thoughts turned to berries. When I was about ten years old I was on a coach tour in Scotland in the rain with the family when we pulled over, got out, and started to eat WHITE raspberries which were growing by the side of the road. I had never seen them before and I have never seen them since.

    Do they – did they – exist?

  152. On the subject of Nigel Farage I ran into him in a Strasburg cafe/bar.
    Recognising a fellow Brit who was not a jounalist he joined me for one of the most entertaining twenty minutes I can recall. I cannot imagine Cameron or Clegg sitting down and talking to me as if I were an ordinary human being. He did incidentally say that the Tory he most admired was Will Hague.

  154. So… I D-S wants ‘better-off’ pensioners to give up their pensions, does he? Just where does his definition of ‘better off’ start? Anybody who’s been prudent enough to make their own private provision? When, umpty years ago, I started working abroad, to ‘protect my pension position’ I was graciously allowed by the DHSS (as it then was) to make ‘voluntary class 4 contributions’ (as they then were).
    The only damn’ thing I was going to get out of those contributions was that pension, so, as far as I am concerned it is ‘bought and paid for’ and I ain’t giving it up to nobody, not nohow. But maybe I don’t come into his ‘better-off’ category.
    I just wish he’d put his brain into gear before he opens his gob, ‘cos until now, his determined efforts at welfare reform have earned him my respect. (he didn’t get it as party leader!)

  155. Ostrich
    You’re absolutely right.
    The ‘benefits’ referred to have been ‘pre-paid’ from taxation. and the people being asked to give them up have paid more in tax than many who receive them but who paid little or nothing.
    IDS is simply passing the buck from a cowardly government who won’t take the tax cutting of benefits and expenditure that it knows it must, to save the country, because to do so would cost it power.

  156. Malfleur.

    Do they – did they – exist?

    Yes, actually they are a very pale peach colour, there are some that are yellow as well.

  158. Noa@April 28th, 2013 – 10:57

    They have already stolen my graduated pension and SERPS…

  159. Re raspberry varieties: I remember some years ago hearing about something called a tayberry, which I think was a pale raspberry-type thing. Given the name, perhaps it originated in Scotland (along with the loganberry)?

  161. Clear Memories (12.16)

    Interesting. In the past I have been somewhat surprised at the qualified support for Tatchell’s politicking, by those here who I would have thought knew better. That picture and statements attributed to him will change their minds, I hope.

    As for Hodge or Harman, their propensities have been discussed ad nauseum here and I hope our disapproval is not diluted by the fact that BNP has jumped on the bandwagon. Its own history is not a good platform from any form of censure to spring. It would collapse under them, rather than take the matter further, I fear. 🙂

  162. In a discussion with a Russian friend this morning. He has held British citizenship for many years but said he was keeping hold of his Russian citizenship in case it became too dangerous here in the UK and he needed to get out. How things have changed from when a UK passport would have been considered the acme of personal security.

  163. Clear Memories at 12.16:What can I say;I’m so tired of it?Some 40 years ago I was abused mentally and physically in a confrontation with two people running a `settlement house`.Nobody wanted to know,and still don’t. With out the i-net I discovered the best friends of this pair were the close comrades and promoters of the leaders of PIE [and saw it’s links to NCCL,although Harman’s name only meant anything years later.These people were also as closely linked to the people who sprang George Blake from gaol.This was all one group of people with a Common Purpose;I refered to them as the Old Red Tie Brigade.Once you crossed them there was no `outside`.The people one had to turn to for aid were all part of the Movement;and conservative bodies did not want to know.This was all part of the Peace Movement.Those I confronted were with the *Peace News* collective the home of which was and is *Housmans bookshop* [both of which names can be found in Wikipedia].//……..//I’m thinking you are writing from overseas…..so I can tell you Harmans involvement with PIE is now open knowledge in G.B.;but it doesn’t `take off’ here.

  164. A serious site to look-up re. child molesters,to use the proper Anglo-Saxon term[not paedophiles], is *theneedleblog*.It has informative items re. both Labour and Conservative activists.//…………//Another blog is that of *David Ikie*. Just because a man’s completely bonkers ,it doesn’t mean he’s not on to something.It is said that Ikie can say things that others can’t,because nobody can reasonable claim to have been defamed by David Ikie

  165. Malfleur, 27 Apr. at 16.49 : Just saw you reference to Fairfax. I’m afraid he let the Army and the People down and gave way to Lord General Cromwell and General Ireton. I maintain the rights declared by Col.Rainsborough that the lowest in the land should have as much say as the highest.I regard him as the apostle of democracy.

  166. Radford, I can’t believe that all people should have the same authority in a democracy. I think there have to be qualifications beyond simple age. At the very least three should be a requirement to be a British citizen to vote in any elections. But I’d increase the age and have an employment or social activity qualification. Those who don’t contribute to a democracy should not be able to participate in it.

  168. Reading Kenneth Clarke’s comments on UKIP reminded me that the Conservatives and the Labourites are from the two 19th century parties that almost made it to the 21st century and produced, or provided cover for, more traitors than all the other parties put together.

    Enough of the traitors – bring on the clowns!

  169. Radford NG @ 15:20

    On Fairfax: I was casting around for someone with the stomach for carrying out Bloom’s proposed sentence but I had forgotten (or more likely never known) that Fairfax had refused to sign Charles 1st’s death warrant. I checked in Wikipedia which lists the names and fates of the Commissioners and carries a phptograph of the warrant sealed by those who did.

    The past is another country. They do things differently there. But perhaps in our more delicate, though in many ways more barbarous, times our sensibilities might at least allow us to revive the practice of the posthumous execution…

  170. The govt would be committing suicide if it thinks it can rob pensioners of their bus passes, fuel allowance, free TV etc. As any fool kno, we pensioners are the group most likely to vote, and we will vote with our wallets. Which won’t be for the Tories.

  173. Lesley C.@April 28th, 2013 – 16:03
    They will need to withdraw them slowly. Perhaps by allowing their value to be eroded by inflation or slowly reducing the benefit A traumatic change would be electorally difficult.

  174. Peter from M at 15-25 :Certainly the concept at the time was The People of England[a homogeneous people,though politically/religiously divided] and that being all males of 21 and over;so the concept needs to be brought forward.As for their qualifications; that was the subject of the dispute at Putney in 1647,which I see is ongoing today and I might try to take up later……..As for the other matter[labour25.com];no I have not come across this and will now look it up.

  175. We all used to learn about the Battle of Maidstone at school. The landscape of the battle is all around us here. Of course Maidstone has often been involved in revolt against overbearing Government. John Ball was here and Sir Thomas Wyatt.

  176. Alexsandr – 12:19 ‘They have already stolen my graduated pension and SERPS…’

    And Savings are continually being eaten away by inflation.

  179. Clear Memories (28 April 08:29)

    The video link that you provide about the Koran is well worth watching, but I suggest that more attention needs to be paid to the fact that the verses in the Koran are not assembled in chronological order.

    The consequence of this is that it is not obvious from their mere placement in the Koran which of any two contradictory verses is in fact the later so as to supersede and replace the other.

    For a fuller – and more alarming – explanation of how the peaceful verses are regarded as having been made obsolete, the movie Fitna is very lucid and persuasive.

  180. RobertC@April 28th, 2013 – 16:32

    not mine. they are in funding circle and zopa.

  181. Peter from M. at 16-31 : At school,long age, we learnt how the Royalists from Newark got into the Town and besieged the Castle firing a cannon from the tower of St.Nicholas church over the walls; as Col. Hutchinson declared:If you want this Castle you must wade to it through blood. We made a papier-mache model of the scene. I don’t think they do that kind of thing today.How `history` is taught seems to me a vital matter which we might take-up.In the logo of History Today magazine:What happened then matters now. There is an argument between certain teaching elements and Gove,who I think too prescriptive,and the matter is still up debate.I think there is here a space where traditional views can be promoted and can make a difference.As Orwell wrote:Who controls the present,controls the past,controls the future. I think we could do with drawing-up a schools History cause and promoting it.

  182. When I was young my intent was to go to medical school, but I was
    confused by the entrance exam.

    The deciding question was, “Re-arrange the letters P N E SI to spell
    out an important part of the human body that is more useful when
    erect.”

    Those who spelled SPINE became doctors. The rest are in the House of Commons, or are lawyers, or are in prison.

    Or all three.

  185. Noa
    April 28th, 2013 – 21:02

    In your case, I assume you don’t mind if we speculate upon any permutation of the three, including, of course all three? 🙂

  186. Here is the biography of a lady whose work deserves our closest attention:

    http://lopez.pundicity.com/about/

    In particular she has written an article which synthesizes much of what many of us have tried to compile and disseminate over the last 12 years about the threat of Islam. She amplifies it and explains from inside the loop what those of us outside the loop have been trying to piece together laboriously through our contacts, surfing the intertubes and watching and reading the media across the international spectrum. And of course watching international events unfold.

    The article is linked hereunder. It is a seminal riveting work and needs no further comment from me:

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3672/muslim-brotherhood-us-government#_ftn1

  192. Noa @ 21:12

    “Sheep shaggers”: We shouldn’t be alarmed that this kind of punishment for that kind of insult something entirely new – being sat on by plod and then fined. 500 years ago that kind of incident was handled more informally and with much greater verbal style – not to mention that it was then the insulted who paid the insulter – in this case, by my calculation, about $2 at the time the following was written. Bring back the groat say, I – we need a precious metal coinage again for more than one use! http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk/pics/fourd.html

    FLUELLEN

    I peseech you heartily, scurvy, lousy knave, at my
    desires, and my requests, and my petitions, to eat,
    look you, this leek: because, look you, you do not
    love it, nor your affections and your appetites and
    your digestions doo’s not agree with it, I would
    desire you to eat it.

    PISTOL

    Not for Cadwallader and all his goats.

    FLUELLEN

    There is one goat for you.

    Strikes him
    Will you be so good, scauld knave, as eat it?

    PISTOL

    Base Trojan, thou shalt die.

    FLUELLEN

    You say very true, scauld knave, when God’s will is:
    I will desire you to live in the mean time, and eat
    your victuals: come, there is sauce for it.

    Strikes him

    You called me yesterday mountain-squire; but I will
    make you to-day a squire of low degree. I pray you,
    fall to: if you can mock a leek, you can eat a leek.

    GOWER

    Enough, captain: you have astonished him.

    FLUELLEN

    I say, I will make him eat some part of my leek, or
    I will peat his pate four days. Bite, I pray you; it
    is good for your green wound and your ploody coxcomb.

    PISTOL

    Must I bite?

    FLUELLEN

    Yes, certainly, and out of doubt and out of question
    too, and ambiguities.

    PISTOL

    By this leek, I will most horribly revenge: I eat
    and eat, I swear–

    FLUELLEN

    Eat, I pray you: will you have some more sauce to
    your leek? there is not enough leek to swear by.

    PISTOL

    Quiet thy cudgel; thou dost see I eat.

    FLUELLEN

    Much good do you, scauld knave, heartily. Nay, pray
    you, throw none away; the skin is good for your
    broken coxcomb. When you take occasions to see leeks
    hereafter, I pray you, mock at ’em; that is all.

    PISTOL

    Good.

    FLUELLEN

    Ay, leeks is good: hold you, there is a groat to
    heal your pate.

    PISTOL

    Me a groat!

    FLUELLEN

    Yes, verily and in truth, you shall take it; or I
    have another leek in my pocket, which you shall eat.

    PISTOL

    I take thy groat in earnest of revenge.

    FLUELLEN

    If I owe you any thing, I will pay you in cudgels:
    you shall be a woodmonger, and buy nothing of me but
    cudgels. God b’ wi’ you, and keep you, and heal your pate.

    Exit

    PISTOL

    All hell shall stir for this.

    GOWER

    Go, go; you are a counterfeit cowardly knave. Will
    you mock at an ancient tradition, begun upon an
    honourable respect, and worn as a memorable trophy of
    predeceased valour and dare not avouch in your deeds
    any of your words? I have seen you gleeking and
    galling at this gentleman twice or thrice. You
    thought, because he could not speak English in the
    native garb, he could not therefore handle an
    English cudgel: you find it otherwise; and
    henceforth let a Welsh correction teach you a good
    English condition. Fare ye well.

    Exit

  194. TREASON IN THE EUROZONE:

    “Eric King: “Jim, we now know the answer to the ‘Cyprus Solution.’”

    Sinclair: “Yes, Cyprus depositors have now been flushed. The Bank of Cyprus, the island’s largest bank said it has converted 37.5% of deposits exceeding 100,000 euros into a Class A share, with an additional 22.5% held as a buffer for possible conversion in the future.

    Another 30% will be temporarily frozen and held as a deposit. So the amount of money that has been taken from the Cyprus depositors is in all practicality almost their entire accounts. Major depositors funds have now been taken in grand style.

    Depositors everywhere are now defined as lenders to the banks. Today is a day of financial infamy. History will see this event as serious as the flushing of Lehman Brothers…. ”

    http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/4/28_Sinclair__Day_Of_Financial_Infamy_As_Cyprus_Depositors_Flushed.html

  197. Malfleur

    I’ve written elsewhere this week about the perfidy of of determining crime by the subjective emotions of the victim. And rather less than our modern unemployed Pistol, or Suarez the Biter as I will now remember him, I was taken by the first ‘hate’ criminal reported in the ssame story. I quote:-
    ”
    In 2011 postman Darren Swain was convicted of racism after he called Scottish tennis player a “useless Jock”.

    Swain, of Radford in Coventry, scrawled the insult along with others on posters at the Royal Mail’s sorting office in Coventry. He was sentenced to 200 hours of unpaid work for three counts of criminal damage and two of racially aggravated criminal damage.

    He was caught after Royal Mail investigators installed covert cameras to monitor the area in Coventry after two posters were found to include ‘racist slurs.’ He had also scrawled ‘you will never catch me’ across a poster that was entitled Dealing with Harassment through Graffiti…”

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