The Coffee House Wall – 22nd/28th July

Posted on July 22, 2013

This is the Coffee House Wall for this week. I won’t say that it is your chance to communicate with us, as we are all in this together. It is, nevertheless, the Conservative Blog post that has no particular theme, and where everything is on topic. Let’s just remember that we want to avoid ad hominem attacks on others. We don’t want to engage with trolls. We want to moderate our language ourselves as responsible and mature adults, choosing to use fruity language only where it is necessary. This is our opportunity to show what the Spectator Coffee House Wall could have been like.

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276 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 22nd/28th July”

  1. From the DT:

    “What will the royal baby nursery look like?
    When will we see the royal baby?”

    and others in the same vein.

    WTF! This the the heir to the heir to the heir to the throne we’re talking about.

    Can none of these self-important press w*nkers get it through their thick skulls that, apart from its sex, the fact that it’s a healthy baby, and that the mother is well, none of this is any of their (or our) bl**dy business?

    And listening to that great queen this morning on “Today” fibrillating with excitement should surely put paid to any hope of him ever again being taken as a serious journalist!

  2. twat Chris Evans was as bad on R2

    TV will have a 1 hour special tonight at 8PM on BBC1 and ITV
    (Made that up but bet it happens)

  3. Alexsandr, you are incorrect. A 3 hour special has been announced and all other broadcasting has been cancelled. David Cameron is hoping to be present at the birth later on and will insist that the birth was his idea and that it has produced a boost to GDP.

  6. David Cameron may bring a husky to the hospital, while William Hague, also expecting to be present, has been seen trying on baseball caps in preparation for the press conference they will be hosting. Cameron hopes that the new prince or princess will be given a patriotic name representative of the British people. His preferences are Muhammed or Aishi.

  8. Frank Sutton@July 22nd, 2013 – 11:41

    Its not the Royals, it the vomit coming out of the media.
    Jeremy Vine is in free flow on radio 2 just now.

    SHUT UP

  9. New baby to adopt the Muslim faith as a brave move to unite the people’s of the United Kingdom .
    Prince Charles says the country will come together in worshipping Allah and any other second tier gods,
    Bishops all proclaim this as the the start of a new decade of joy, happiness , and progress for these backward unbelievers.
    A small protest by the EDL was put down efficiently by the sharia branch of the metropolitan police service.
    Body’s can be viewed outside the Tower of London at traitors gate.

  11. I hear just now on Radio 4 news that CMD has announced that possession of images of Rape will be a criminal offence. That could mean a lot of art galleries in the dock.

  12. John birch 22nd, – 12:31

    “Bodies can be viewed outside the Tower of London at traitors gate”…

    and heads may be viewed on spikes at the ends of London Bridge.

  13. For an object lesson in how to turn no news into valuable minutes of air time listen to Radio right now; or any other news broadcaster, probably.

  15. A woman has been fined for riding into a McDonalds on her horse. Greater Manchester Police said: “The sight and smell of this caused obvious distress and upset to customers trying to eat, as well as staff members. Even worse than one of those ghastly hamburgers?

  17. WEST MIDLANDS POLICE REPORT: A 25 year old Ukrainian post graduate student,Pavlo Lapshyn,from Dnipropetrovsk has been charged with the murder of a 75 year old muslim man in Small Heath last April.

  19. A question for those of you with a scientific bent, does a blend of lemon juice, sugar and water have a higher freezing point than plain water?

    I ask, because she who must be obeyed has started buying still Lemonade from our local Morrisons in three’s because these have been on a special offer price, all this summer and because of this she has started to place these in my ‘beer fridge’ that I keep in our integral garage.

    These are placed on the bottom shelf near to the front, the last three that she has brought out have been frozen solid and yet non of the other items in the refrigerator have been effected.

  21. Ostrich (occasionally) July 22nd, 2013 – 10:25

    ‘And listening to that great queen this morning on “Today” fibrillating with excitement’

    Please name this deviant.

  22. Another quick question, I have just upgraded (last Saturday) my PC Monitor to a more modern wider screen model an HP Pavilion 22xi, I find the wider stretched text easier to read, however the pictures viewed on it are as it were stretched left and right.

    Is there an easy way for me to stretch the up/down to compensate and bring the photographs viewed back to normal?

  23. You are not running the monitor at the correct resolution. You need to go into Control Panel – Display or equivalent or right click on the desktop and set it to the correct resolution for the monitor. There is a possibility that the graphics card in your PC may not properly support the new monitor. You should be able to see from the box the monitor came in what the resolution is.

  25. David Ossitt’July 22nd, 2013 – 19:41

    Umm
    I thought most stuff in water raised the freezing point. So your post surprised me. But I don’t know.

  26. Peter from Maidstone@July 22nd, 2013 – 19:56

    Should have bought the monitor on 1st jan then it would have been new years resolution.

    sorry…

  29. “I thought most stuff in water raised the freezing point. So your post surprised me. But I don’t know.”

    Solution depresses the freezing point and elevates the boiling point. That’s why the sea rarely freezes in the UK.

  30. It’s a boy?
    Another unfortunate born into inter-generational Benefits dependency.
    Time for a Republic.

  31. CONSTITUTIONAL CRISES AVERTED! Duchess of Cambridge gives birth to a boy.A girl would have thrown the succession into doubt and caused opposing parties to form as Cameron has decreed that the first born will succeed regardless of sex;and regardless of over a thousand years of history…….The next problem is that the Prince of Wales can not marry a divorced woman and still succeed to the throne;what ever Blair’s self chosen lawyers may have told him.

  33. PfM.
    You may consider a self perpetuating constitutional monarchy supporting the present system of government desirable. I do not, any more.
    Mr Boot’s views are his own and whilst I respect them I do not accept them.

  35. Now BBC news is interviewing journalists abt the difficulty of covering the Royal birth!

  36. Noa, I certainly don’t support the present system of government but that is because there has been a socialist coup over the last 100 years, slowly unfolding to manifest itself in our times. This is not the fault of the monarchy but our own. We have allowed it to happen. We must change and reinvest the various elements of our democracy with their proper power and purpose.

  37. “This is not the fault of the monarchy but our own.”

    There you go, putting yourself down again!
    Tell me when you betrayed democracy, such as it is. Or me, or any other decent honest citizen.
    Unfortunately the monarchy is now better seen not as part of the solution, but as a major part of the problem. Re-enforcing and upholding the present system of national betrayal, failure, deceit, corruption and lies.
    And it’s FUBAR.
    You can’t change one without removing the other. And that makes you a traitor. We can’t have an elected monarchy, despite having set a (correct) precedent for dealing with the divinity of Kings with Charles I, so we maintain a monarchy based on fecundity rather than ability.
    In short, your trust in monarchy is grievously misplaced. The whole structure is rotten and stands or falls together.

  38. Noa 22nd, – 22:24

    “may consider a self perpetuating constitutional monarchy supporting the present system of government desirable. I do not, any more.”

    Fair enough, Noa. Many of my work colleagues have been citizens of republics and, in social moments, have tried to convince me of the superiority of their political systems. And then, from here, I look south. And then west-south-west. And suddenly the closing line of ‘Some Like it Hot’ springs to mind…

  39. Ostrich

    There’s always a case to be made for the status quo. But there’s no point in bitching about it if we aren’t prepared to address the consequences, foreseen or not, of change.

    At present, looking through the nauseous, maudlin DM induced sentiment that is about to overwhelm us, I utterly reject another successive, fabulously wealthy brainless, amoral Windsor moron being supported by and ruling my descendants, not because he is demonstrably capable and subsequently elected, but as His Absolute Right.

  40. postergirl – Jul 22 : 22:29 ‘Well done Kate for outfoxing Cameron’

    Agreed!

    The question being posed about the upbringing of this young prince, that is, will it be normal, is very perplexing.

    Normal for whom? Indeed, is it normal to have an upbringing? For many children, they have none to speak of. let alone an abnormal upbringing.

  41. Wouldn’t put it past Cameron to pose on the steps of the hospital with Kate, Wills and the baby. Just to get in on the act, as it were. He loves to be seen with winners. Thinks (hopes) it rubs off on him.

    He has made an even bigger fool of himself than usual this week, with his idiotic posturing about the “evils” of the internet and his pretence that something will be done about it. As if he rules the world. Stupid, vain idiot.

    I am beginning to think that ANYBODY would be a better PM than Cameron, even Theresa May or Philip Hammond. They couldn’t possibly be any worse.

  42. Noa

    I thought they paid their own way. Is yours the UKIP position, by the way?

  44. Muslim Colonists in Western Europe

    by Hugh Fitzgerald

    What are the defining characteristics, what is the essence, of “colonialism”? It consists in the movement of one people,into the land of another, in order to economically exploit that land, either its natural resources, or the the wealth to be found among the indigenous inhabitants that might, in various ways, be appropriated.

    Isn’t that what has happened in Western Europe? Muslims, having no historic claim on the lands of Western Europe,have managed to move in by the millions. And there they settle, and by aggressive, cunning, and often fraudulent exploitation of every possible benefit offered by the non-Muslim indigenes, in those welfare states where free education, free health care at the Western (not the Muslim) level, free or nearly free housing, along with all kinds of family subsidies and other benefits, offer those coming from wretched (made wretched, and permanently, by Islam) societies and states a fantastic cornucopia of expensive benefits.

    That is colonialism, the largest and most successful colonialism in modern history. And it goes on, it doesn’t stop…

    — Hat tip: Steen

  45. Noa
    The problem with a republic is that you rely on the people to elect the head of state.
    The masses.
    And they elect liberals/socialists.

  46. Malfleur

    Hereditary millionaires, paying their way? Really?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2349635/Kate-Middleton-Prince-Williams-Kensington-Palace-home-makeover-cost-taxpayer-1m.html

    Just one doubtless continuing example from the forthcoming mountain of largess oblige that we in the UK will continue to disgorge in order to perpetuate a demonstrably broken constitutional chimera.

    As to UKIP, I doubt it. So what? I’ve no doubt it holds almost as many proto-republicans there as can be found in the senior reaches of the Tories.

    And I’ve noted your continuing inciteful support for Thommo and the EDL. Its always easier to be a rabble rouser from a safe distance.

    JJB

    “The problem with a republic is that you rely on the people to elect the head of state.”

    In case you hadn’t noticed, in a hereditary monarchy you don’t get the opportunity to vote. Mediocrity is assured.

  47. The genius of our constitution, admired around the world in the 18th and 19th century, was the division of powers and the tension between them. Over the last 100 years this has been subverted so that we now have a House of Commons with unlimited power vested in the Government. This is no longer Her Majesty’s Government, but is a self-serving cabal with an eye entirely on the short term.

    The idea of monarchy is not to always have the very best figures as monarch. It is the monarchy itself which matters. We have actually had a good run of monarchs. But monarchs need power since they are the embodiment of the nation in an iconic form. Not an absolute power, but the power to say NO. And monarchs need a traditional House of Lords who represent the longer term interests of the nation and are not careerist politicians. And monarchs need a House of Commons which is not all powerful but can be restrained and contradicted, and an electorate that comprises those who contribute to society and have a stake in the nation, rather than those who simply live here.

    I think that Her Majesty the Queen has served us well under the circumstances, but we have not served her well. We have allowed the nation to be subverted by unlimited migration, by the deliberate dismantling of our Christian moral culture, and by our failure to speak out. Having allowed the monarchy to be denuded of all power we then complain that the monarch has not exercised that power which we allowed to be take away.

    Why is it our fault? Why is it the older generation’s fault? Because you and I have done nothing. Perhaps if 5 million people had marched in London against the redefinition of marriage the Queen might have had confidence to say that she could not sign the Bill in the circumstances. But we had already allowed the Government to declare that a man may be a woman and a woman a man by state fiat and done nothing. We, and I mean myself now, and those older than me, and your parents before you, have done nothing. Even when a prophet was raised up for us in Enoch Powell you/we did nothing.

    I think Prince Charles could have been a great King. But he was brought up into a monarchy that had been deliberately perverted by those who wished the monarchial power for themselves. As a matter of course he should have always been involved in all foreign and domestic political counsels and the views of his mother and himself should have borne great weight. Instead, if he shows interest in anything the media and sections of the political class will squeal. But we don’t need a neutral monarch. We need a patriotic and super-party-political monarch. David Cameron will be gone soon enough, but Her Majesty will remain, and after her, Prince Charles, with more experience of the passage and outworking of political events than any of our cabinet, who are unworthy to undo the latch of her shoe.

    A strong monarchy with power, a traditional House of Lords rooted in nation, and a limited democracy representing those who have a stake in the nation. This is what we need. Not some X-Factor process of electing an even more unworthy and vomit-inducing man of the people who cannot, by the very nature of things, have any view beyond the next headline.

    We have not chosen the monarch. This is her strength. This is the necessary counter-balance to the weakness of the House of Commons. We do not choose our parents. We do not choose our bishops in an hierarchical Church. If we did then it would be to our harm, as we see now that the most recent succession of Prime Ministers has so manifestly plumbed the depths of self-interest. If we want a Prime Minister who looks after us then we should not be surprised to get a Prime Minister just like us, and looking out for himself.

    Only the monarchy, a real monarchy, introduces the element of vocation and an iconic relation to the nation. The monarch is only monarch of THIS nation. And this nation only has THIS monarch. But a Prime Minister comes and goes and tries to make himself as rich a possible. And usually succeeds.

    I have no objection at all to millions of pounds being spent on the monarchy. It is a drop in the ocean of Government mismanagement of our taxpayer income, and with the printing of money as it is the cost is actually non-existent. It is not tax-payers footing the bill, and I am glad to, it is just money which has been printed. Prince Charles is entirely self-funding, and still the object of socialist envy and class hatred. The civil list has reduced in size dramatically in my own lifetime. It’s a non-issue.

    We may not want a middle class monarchy in the future. But we do need a real monarchy. One with some teeth. One which can say no to proposals which will harm the nation and the national interest. Short-term career politicians voted into office by those with no stake in the nation should not be allowed to make such decisions without restriction.

  48. I see that the Roma Gypsies are back in central London again, despite the notices to move being printed in Romanian. The report in the Daily Mail (How I loathe that publication) suggests that many are waiting for the Government to provide them with jobs and accommodation.

  49. RobertC, July 23rd, 2013 – 00:08
    postergirl – Jul 22 : 22:29 ‘Well done Kate for outfoxing Cameron’
    Agreed!

    No foxes required! (I tend think of CMD as more of a weasel) The embryo will have been carefully screened. There should be no need to tick the ‘other’ box on any questionnaire. Congrats to the happy couple on their healthy baby boy.

  50. It must be very frustrating for republicans when their day of victory just keeps slipping away. Probably explains the cheap, adolescent abuse that always seems to emerge.

    They simply can’t understand our failure to be impressed by the overwhelmingly superior intellects of the likes of José Manuel Durão Barroso and Herman Van Rompuy, whose meritocratic and democratic credentials are above reproach.

  51. It is a strangely niave and trusting view indeed that believes democracy can be maintained by a closed hereditary system of nobles and monarch established by conquest and, that when those rich and closeted trustees fail in, indeed betray their constitutional duties, it is somehow the fault of the citizens they have failed to represent.
    The constitutional problems of government that you identify have their roots in the uncontrolled transfer of power from an absolute monarch to Parliament, and its subsequent usurpation by the Commons.
    As to a peoples march, unless you’re looking to the events of 2011, the last of meaning was probably the Peasants Revolt, and remember what happened then.
    It’s as well to remember that, however corrupt, treacherous or deceitful our elite may be, and for me they top the Premier League, I for one would not bet against their successful completion of a thousand year Reich in 2066.
    After that, though, as all civilisations ultimately destroy themselves, the self induced Islamo-virus is as likely to sweep away the present Western hegemony and replace it with the descending darkness of the new world caliphate.

  52. Noa, it depends on what is meant by democracy. I do not believe we have democracy in the UK. I believe that those who do not have a stake in the nation should not be able to vote. And I do believe that the hereditary element is necessary to good Government. It was a grave subversion of our Government when the Parliament Act was passed which gave the Commons absolute power. There are no checks and balances. There once were such checks and balances. They may exist in potentio but the circumstances in which the monarch must act are now very difficult. The House of Lords has essentially been abolished and has become an extension of the Commons.

    Though I do not look back with pleasure at the Conquest, or the Commonwealth, or the so-called Glorious Revolution, nevertheless it is also not possible to act as though we are not a nation with our own monarch. Indeed the blood of Harold Godwinson runs in Her Majesty Queen Elisabeth’s veins. She is our monarch. The Lords were also men of substantial and deep connections with the nation. Now we have politicians who are of recent immmigrant origins and whose parents and grand-parents manifestly loathe the British (in the widest sense) nation and culture. I am think of the Millibands and Clegg especially.

    I don’t see Islam succeeding, but it will if the West continues to diminish the Christian heritage which has sustained us till the last century. There is still hope if we act now.

  53. Colin

    If you are referring to my posts I’d be obliged in you’d point me to the ‘cheap adolescent abuse’ you claim to have identified.
    The essence of my argument is that a self interested political elite and monarchy collude to maintain a broken and rapidly declining political system. That this, in turn, is now linked to and controlled by the political and intellectual residue of the now defunct USSR, is germane.
    However I would ask you to consider whether the preservation of the UK’s national sovereignty and independence has been adequately discharged by the present constitutional arrangements.
    Indeed there is no reason why a elected king or queen could not take on the present constitutional role and responsibilities, so abysmally discharged has it been. Though I rather suspect the present incumbents, infected as they are by their own sense of largesse oblige, might object to the reversion of their extensive property and possessions to the nation and the subsequent requirement to-go to work for a living.

  54. In my opinion it is a mistake to consider that democracy is not compatible with a relatively closed and hereditary principle. Indeed I believe it requires it.

    We have seen in education what happens when the apparently democratic principle of everyone being their own teacher reduces the role of teacher (the one who should be the hereditary principle) to a cipher. We end up with no one being taught anything.

    We have seen what happens when the particular priesthood of the Church is democratised so that everyone becomes his own priest, we end up with 35000 different Protestant groups.

    We have seen what happens when the police become subject to democracy instead of being the independent and neutral upholders of the law, as an hereditary principle. We end up with the law meaning nothing and everything from week to week and year to year.

    It is only when there is a fixed preservation of the law that everyone enjoys the benefit of the rule of law. It is only when there is really a teacher who has an authority independent of the wishes of the students that we are taught anything. It is only when there is an hereditary principle in Government that the security of the nation (not just the people living in a place) is preserved and ensured for all.

    David Cameron cares nothing about the nation, this community with a history going back 1500 years or more. Nor does Gordon Brown. Nor Tony Blair. But it is the vocation of the monarch to be so concerned. And it is the role of the Lords to keep in tension the desires of the demos (which are often harmful) and the longer term view of the monarch.

    I would wish for a proper Queen. For a Restoration. For a return to deference.

    The loss of the rule of law, of respect for education, of a sense of honour and the growth of political charlatans and the celebrity culture is all due to the diminishing of the hereditary principle.

  55. Noa, the present consitutional arrangements are already perverted. We need to restore the monarchy not elect a monarch. Indeed such a thing cannot be done if the monarchy is properly understood. A monarch must be able to say NO. Our present situation makes this almost impossible. I would fight to the death to preserve the monarchy from “democracy”. It is one of our last hopes, though not properly constituted at present.

  56. Noa:
    “If you are referring to my posts I’d be obliged in you’d point me to the ‘cheap adolescent abuse’ you claim to have identified.”

    “brainless, amoral Windsor moron”

  57. “..I don’t see Islam succeeding, but it will if the West continues to diminish the Christian heritage which has sustained us till the last century. There is still hope if we act now.”

    And therein lies the rub, Peter.

    Who will act on behalf of the people of this dis-united and near broken ‘Kingdom?’ Our expenses grubbing, defenestrated and near defunct tri-partite Commons? As it promotes homo-marriage to distract from its increasingly totalitarian agenda of quelling any dissent to the profound and ultimately destructive changes it has inflicted upon us.
    Or those country Lords whose return from their (not your!) shires that you yearn for?
    Or that rich, remote and uncaring hereditary monarchy, finally out-sourcing its breed lines to prevent a genetic catastrophe of Pakistani proportions?
    That tripartite parasitic entity is now a perfect closed system, financially, educationally and cultural self serving and independent of the host upon which it feeds.
    Only the naive would possibly trust this self-serving hegemony to reform itself for the benefit of its host.

  59. Peter-11.05

    You would fight to the death, to preserve something which is broken. Hmmm, something wrong there, methinks, if the whole cannot be mended because all its constituent parts are irretrievably broken, which I contend they are.
    I suspect that fight to the death is coming, as a result of it, and then it will be gone, to be replaced by something alien.

  60. Noa, the only people that can ever guarantee their liberty is the people themselves. In English History when the Government has ceased to rule on behalf of the nation there has been, at the last, a revolution. The Peasants Revolt was not the last. It does not always succeed. But if the nation wishes to restore and renew its freedom and liberty then the nation itself must rise up. Nor is this a matter of the plebs only. A true national revolution includes all those who love the nation and our heritage of freedom.

    In Egypt perhaps 30 million people came onto the streets. Not politicians. But people of all classes. Likewise at the end of the Warsaw Pact, millions of people of various classes came onto the street at risk of harm and death. And false Governments were toppled.

    I expect nothing of the political class. But there is still hope that the nation will rise up and rid itself of this contagion. But we must act now.

  61. Noa

    Brainless morons are not allowed to fly Apache helicopters. Your comment is just plain silly – but then the qualities required to place comments on the ‘net are somewhat fewer, aren’t they?

  62. Of course I would fight. That which is broken can be mended. Republicanism is already utterly alien and evil. I could not live in the US not least because of its loathsome Government. It is the monarch who guarantees the existence of the nation, everything else can be recreated but not the monarchy. There is no England if the monarch is lost. Just a place where various people live.

  63. Peter

    “I would wish for a proper Queen. For a Restoration. For a return to deference.
    The loss of the rule of law, of respect for education, of a sense of honour and the growth of political charlatans and the celebrity culture is all due to the diminishing of the hereditary principle.”

    The symptoms you identify are the manifestations of natural conservatism. Your diagnosis is however, profoundly flawed. The hereditary principle, upon which our closed system of government is based, carries the cells of its own destruction within its DNA.
    The loss of those principles and values for which you yearn is the inevitable consequence of the self perpetuating system which, briefly, produced them, as a by-product of its past intellectual renaissance and industrial success. Now gone and unot ever y to return under the present, defunct stewardship.

  64. Colin

    And well done to Prince Harry, and indeed William, for qualifying as helicopter pilots.
    And well done too, to all those arab princes who have also been trained, without fear of public failure, to also fly F15’s, F22s and Eurofighters.
    And a colourful career of serial sexual indiscretions can be written off as simply that, the ‘spare’ misbehaving under our indulgent gaze.
    And so a morally debauched and corrupted minor nation gets the Royalty it deserves.

  65. Noa, I can’t agree with you. The respect for law, education and the practice of deference are rooted in the ancient and Christian past of our nation. They are not a fleeting and modern experience. When St Thomas More met his father in the street he would kneel and ask his blessing. This was a matter of course. Such deference is taught and learned and necessary for a civilised nation. At present our youth are taught to despise real authority and mock those who deserve to be honoured. But this is only a matter of them being taught evil by those who wish to perpetrate evil on us.

  66. Cigar chompin’ John Jefferson ‘Stopped Clock’ Burns LDCMXIXIL +08:38

    ‘Pon my word. On each of two successive walls, you have contributed two posts which could almost be construed as agreeable. I prescribe a boxful of Havana cigars and a plateful of down home American beefburgers. Then we shall expect you back on parade with your usual cultural condescension. We cannot be doing with any special relationships in this forum, thank you very much.

  67. Peter.
    As in Saudi Arabia, where the King is the “custodian of the two holy mosques” of Mecca and Medina, the British establishment successfully incorporated the established church into the structure of power by making the monarch ‘Defender of the Faith’, of the Church of England of course.
    So, both spiritually and temporally the people of this country became eternally sub-subservient to their masters. The reasons for that control breaking down are many and various, the consequences of WWI, which include the breakdown of Empire and the loss of national destiny, the growth and eventual triumph of both German nationalism and communism, the rise of Islam, all beguiling, but irrelevant to our present constitutional breakdown and its social consequences.
    Our very deference to our system of government and its incumbents is our problem, not our solution.
    You contend that it can be fixed, On the evidence resulting from 950 years of deference I do not.

  69. Colin
    On the subject of brainless morons you may wish to consider what educational attainments are necessary to
    a) drive a car
    b) fly an Apache
    Is it
    1. A 2:1 Honours degree or higher in Aeronautical Engineering
    or
    2) Two A level results; in Art at grade B, and Geography at grade D?

    And I commend to you his own appreciation of his intellectual abilities.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/372354/Prince-Harry-I-may-not-be-bright-but-I-m-good-with-my-thumbs.

    Still, he’s consistently shown himself a fine judge of full bodied fillies.

  70. All right, maybe you would not want Prince Harry left in sole charge of Mission Control, Houston, but there is no direct proportionality about these things. The best educated head of state is Robert Gabriel Mugabe with a big f*ck off seven (7) honours degrees. Go, Robert!

  71. It’s true that education does not make the man, or in the case under consideration the statesman or King.
    On the other hand Bobby M, and Osama Obama both got to where they are by being the most ruthless SoBs on their blocks. Darwinism in operation, in contrast to the XBox attainments of the depleted and possibly secretly refreshed gene pool that provides our royals in perpetuity and in which the Wallsters misplace their trust and unreturned affections.

  72. Noa
    Mediocrity is preferable to liberalism.
    Liberalism sucks the heart out of a forward looking country.
    We saved you Limeys in two world wars due to the wealth created by our frontier spirit. We do not want this ripped out of us by the liberals that now run us

  73. Morarji Desai, for example did not have seven honours degrees but drank a pint of his own urine every day.

  74. Noa, I don’t think we have the same understanding of what the monarchy is for. It is not about Darwinism. Nor do I believe that the Queen and Prince Charles lack concern for the people. But it is not about that either.

  75. JJB you are Andy Car Park and I claim my 5,000,000,000,000 zloty prize. On second thoughts, i take the Trabant.

  76. The copious drinking of urine, both one’s own and that of others, is a venerable tradition I have observed several times in the Armed Forces.
    Though in neither the cases of Mr Desai or the various imbibing commissioned or non commissioned crown servants was the claim made that doing so conferred wisdom on the consumer.

  77. Cigar Chompin’ John Jefferson ‘Stopped Clock’ Burns MDCIXLC

    Far from ‘saving’ this country, the primary war aims of the United Sewer of America were to strip it of its Empire, appropriate its military technology, commandeer its markets, and saddle it with debt for the next sixty years. Oh, and take sexual advantage of our half starved grandmothers, poisoning the gene pool forever and peppering the country with effete mongrel monstrosities with single eyes in the middle of their foreheads and bolts through their necks.

    Your two spuriously sympathetic comments were indeed stopped clock moments. Your c*ntry is a repository for every spherical, toothless moron in the universe. You are a cigar-chompin’ twat and if I ever meet your dog (dawg?), I am going to kick its arse until it nose bleeds. Now run along.

  78. Peter
    My understanding is based upon a study of undergraduate constitutional law, encompassing the then leading authorities on the subject and a susequent 35 years mordant view of the at first barely perceptible, now rapidly accelerating decline and fall of the Parliamentary, judicial and executive understandings, indeed certainties, upon which that view was founded. The balance of powers has long gone, Politicians and Judges have combined, under a quiescent monarchy, to plot my country’s very destruction.
    Should I accept that, touching my forelock in the time honoured manner whilst an inbred family presides over it all grinning moronically whilst it fumbles with its XBox controls?

  79. ACP -I’d like to think you took the words out of my pen, but I compliment you on a fine broadside against the thieving,rebellious barsteward from Slavers County, a shame rails are not more readily available, to ride such mountebanks out of town on.

  80. “I would wish for a proper Queen. For a Restoration. For a return to deference.”

    Why not a proper restoration? Let monarchy be in the gift of the Pope – to the highest bidder, of course. The “men in frocks” get back their influence, wealth and all the other fringe benefits that came with “deference.”
    🙂

  81. Peter from Maidstone – 23 July @ 11:27

    I’ve been reading the exchanges between you and Noa about what’s wrong with Britain and agree with much of what you both say.

    But when you say –

    “….the only people that can ever guarantee their liberty is the people themselves……when the Government has ceased to rule on behalf of the nation there has been, at the last, a revolution. The Peasants Revolt was not the last. It does not always succeed. But if the nation wishes to restore and renew its freedom and liberty then the nation itself must rise up. Nor is this a matter of the plebs only. A true national revolution includes all those who love the nation and our heritage of freedom.” –

    – I get little comfort from it. Why? Because for that to happen the nation must exist – in sufficient numbers – to put it’s aspirations into effect. And from what I see, that condition has already disappeared. Too many of the indigenous population have already been indoctrinated into a faith in political correctness that not only contemptuously dismisses all the values of British civilisation but seeks to suppress them. But quite apart from that, in only a few decades, the residents of Britain will be largely Muslim – and their faith is even stronger and is going to ensure that it’s aspirations are the only ones that count.

  82. Herbert, I don’t believe the nation has gone away at all. And it will be a while yet before Muslims are in the majority. The people of England are asleep. They need to be awakened. It was our grandfathers who fought against the Nazis, and our great-grandfathers who fought against the Boche. Our fathers did National Service and were generally glad to do so. It is only recently and deliberately that the English people have been silenced, made afraid to speak out, and treated as though they were too stupid or too lazy to work. It’s not true.

    Even today David Cameron has been forced to state that immigration is a drain on Britain. Whether or not he believes what he says, or cares, does not matter. We are all able to say it without fear – IMMIGRATION IS A DRAIN ON OUR COUNTRY.

    What else will he be forced to say? And is saying it he will awaken the English people whether he wills to or not. My children do not embrace multi-culturalism or unlimited immigration. Not because of what I have said but because they see what it is like in the streets and they see what sort of future is mapped out for them. It is the generation who ignored Enoch Powell which is especially at fault – they are the ones who have been senior in the public services and have created a system of political correctness, but it is falling apart. It is no longer believed, and less and less feared.

    England Awake! Awake! Awake!

  83. Noa
    July 23rd, 2013 – 09:14

    Tendentious, selective choice of newspaper article and irrelevant to my point. You might at least have considered the implications of the ceding of Crown Estates to the people in return for an annuity under the Civil List. Do you know what the income is from Crown Estates and how that compares with the current figure from the Civil List? Don’t let yourself be confused by the facts though.

    And:

    “And I’ve noted your continuing inciteful support for Thommo and the EDL. Its always easier to be a rabble rouser from a safe distance.”

    You seem to have lost the plot here,my friend, and strayed off message. Doing so, you seem poised to develop an interesting new yardstick for freedom of speech. Would you care to identify what I have incited? Would you care to identify the rabble which you allege I have been rousing – your fellow Wallsters, perhaps? Do you take the view that had my computer been in Piccadilly rather than Asia when I posted whatever the comments were to which you now object I would have been less safe? Do you keep silent on the concerns of “Thommo and the EDL” (nice rhetorical ruse) because you would feel less safe in sharing them openly in Lancashire? Are you inciting the good people of England (the rabble?) to overthrow the monarchy by your uncharacteristic volubility here on the subject?

    Your idea of the relationship between the Queen and her subjects seems equally batty. When, for instance, did you last touch your forelock to her? This kind of stuff is all from Beano and Dandyland – get out and meet the Mrs. Duffys.

  84. Peter,

    Your call for England to Awake is now a call to treason and punishable by a sentence of Life Imprisonment.

    It is a challenge to the absolute power and Royal Prerogative of the Monarch, as exercised on her behalf by Parliament. The very existence of a Bill of Rights, the personal safeguards provided by a written constitution have been fiercely opposed by those forced to grant them. Indeed it would be a foolish man indeed who relied in Court on any of the perceived rights and freedoms wrested from the Crown with such bitterness and difficulty through war and struggle or even the prerogative of mercy exercised by the Crown.

    Of course I agree with the requirement, indeed the necessity of your call to awake. I would not be here if I didn’t. But one must be aware of the implications and consequences of such appeals to conscience and action and the interpretation which the State may place upon it.
    The actions of native Britons are not considered and treated in an equal manner to those Internationals on the Left, or their allies in militant Islam, whether through a misplaced tolerance or simply ideological discrimination, or both.

    The pages of our history are littered with the broken bodies of men, from Wat Tyler to Roger Casement, whose personal vision of patriotism did not prevail was seen differently by the Crown.

  85. Malfleur 22:25

    On the matter of incitement I refer you to your post of July 16th, 2013 – 08:53

    “…I was interested to hear Peter Hitchens refer to the number of times he had been arrested and found himself in gaol in the 1960s when he was a member of the far left. Interesting in that there are the Wall’s own men without sin who have thrown stones at Tommy Robinson and then taken a vow of silence never to address the question of the activities of the English Defence League or Mr. Robinson’s leadership because any organisation which could be led by a man with form from ten years or so ago is not fit to be observed objectively by these paragons…”

    A clear enough reference to the clearly and previously stated views of Frank P and myself on Thommo and the EDL, with which you markedly disagreed, and inciteful of a response too, don’t you think? I find it strange that our postions clearly rankle you. Why do you care?
    Would you find our views more acceptable to you if perhaps, instead of working as Frank P and I did, respectively as a senior policeman and an military aircraft export bid and contract negotiator respectively, we had spent a couple of years in jail for passport fraud, petty theft or domestic violence?

    My views on the matter remain unchanged. I do not consider Mr Robinson to be a trustworthy leader of a political party, to whose policies and views incidentally, I do not subscribe.

    Turning next to your allegation of my silence;
    “…on the concerns of “Thommo and the EDL” (nice rhetorical ruse) because you would feel less safe in sharing them openly in Lancashire? Are you inciting the good people of England (the rabble?) to overthrow the monarchy by your uncharacteristic volubility here on the subject?”

    Through my active participation in local politics I, unlike you, have common and direct contact with both EDL and BNP members and the Mrs Duffys of this world. The former are, in the main, but with notable exceptions, sincere and honest men and women, with whom I empathise but who I consider to be misled and who operate in a political dead end.

    The Mrs Duffys are the salt of the earth. And who talks to and stands for them?
    Well, I did, dozens and dozens of them. And I fought an election and lost, but I will fight another next year and hopefully, obtain their support and win. And your uninformed comments, indeed insults, from the sidelines 8,000 miles away will be as irrelevant to me then as they are now.

    “Your idea of the relationship between the Queen and her subjects seems equally batty. When, for instance, did you last touch your forelock to her? This kind of stuff is all from Beano and Dandyland – get out and meet the Mrs. Duffys…”

    Batty? Perhaps you would kindly provide your own contrarian analysis and explain the nature of the relationship between the figurehead that is an elderly constitutional monarch and the people of a modern Britain you understand primarily through the medium of the internet?

  86. Malfleur cont’d

    “Tendentious, selective choice of newspaper article and irrelevant to my point.”

    Really? Your opinion of course. I thought, as a UK taxpayer, that it made my point succinctly.

    “You might at least have considered the implications of the ceding of Crown Estates to the people in return for an annuity under the Civil List.”

    Why? Does it negate the taxpayer funding the home of two very rich people from very rich families? You are free to expand upon it if you consider it germane. The concept of the Crown estate is based upon the entirety of England and Wales and its people, being the sole property of the monarch. Even today the highest form of land ownership is held in fee simple from the Crown.
    The relinquishing of the Crown’s exemption from tax was negotiated at arms length and for demonstrable political benefits. After all, how can the monarch be forced to tax herself? And how can the Revenue’s assessment be enforced in the Crown’s own Courts except by consent and convention?

    “Do you know what the income is from Crown Estates and how that compares with the current figure from the Civil List? Don’t let yourself be confused by the facts though…” No, but don’t loose sight of the principle by burying yourself in the detail though.
    Unless it changes the fact, which it doesn’t.

  87. Noa

    A few notes, at random and in haste:

    1.Incitement: “inciteful of a response” Aaaah, I see! Woo! Woo! Scary reply on a blog incited! Whoo! Whoo! Ossifer, arrest that man!

    2. “Would you find our views more acceptable to you if perhaps, instead of working as Frank P and I did, respectively as a senior policeman and an military aircraft export bid and contract negotiator respectively, we had spent a couple of years in jail for passport fraud, petty theft or domestic violence?”

    I touch my forelock to you both for your service to the Queen, heartfelt I am sure and no doubt turning an honest shilling, but the answer is that I would, and do, consider your and Mr. Robinson’s views on the merits.

    3.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9975944/Youve-been-worth-every-penny-of-the-Civil-List-Maam.html

    Begin here.

    4. “The former are, in the main, but with notable exceptions, sincere and honest men and women, with whom I empathise but who I consider to be misled and who operate in a political dead end. ” Was this lifted from the Prime Minister’s earlier statement on UKIP? Politicians can get things so wrong, can’t they?

  88. Malfleur-00.45
    An inane, immature and petty response
    An apology for your unprovoked personal attack on fellow Wallsters would not have been out of place, even courageous.
    I had thought better of you. I may again.

    Post in haste, repent at leisure.

  89. Malfleur
    Did you read your point 3

    The biggest financial blunder in royal history was made by mad old George III when he came to the throne in 1760. Because his grandfather, George II, hadn’t managed to pay for civil government, as he was obliged to, the new king cut a disastrous deal: he gave up the hereditary revenues from his Crown Estate in return for Parliament paying the civil government bill, and giving him money from the Civil List.

    The biggest blunder from the point of you Limeys was to let us go.
    Let us go?
    In truth we trounced you and were glad to be shot of you.
    Now we have to put up with your special relationship whining trying to get a piece of the action back. Your last Grim Prime Minister was one of the worst trailing after our current ghastly President.
    Glad he went.
    Time Obama went.

  95. AWK 1
    Wordsworth had most of his work tainted by his stay in Goslar.
    Far from being a quintessential English poet he is European interloper.
    You should stick to Robert Frost.

  96. Wordsworth was in Germany for only a few months and didn’t like it. Not sure what relevance that has to his being the quintessential English poet which he manifestly is.

  97. Peter from Maidstone, July 23rd – 18:50
    “Even today David Cameron has been forced to state that immigration is a drain on Britain.”

    The cracks are becoming visible to all.

    It is by such small steps that empires fall.

  99. John Jefferson Burns
    July 24th, 2013 – 12:16
    Frosty took the wrong road!

  100. Cigar-chompin’ John Jefferson ‘Cap’n Ahab’ Burns XVDCILDXXIII

    You flatter yourself in imagining there exists such a category as American literature, as opposed to bombastic American diarrhoea. It can always be recognised by its ease of production and toe-curling lack of finesse, typified indeed by your own malodorous squirts and splurges up and down this thread.

    Your quaint idea that anyone here or indeed the wider British community ‘whines’ about the ‘special’ relationship is also a product of your rustic, down home imagination. If there is anything ‘special’ in the way in which we relate to you and yours, it is the pious hope that one day, hopefully soon, ‘y’all’ will occupy an ‘especially’ hot seat in hell. You slack-jawed, semi-literate, yank muppet.

  101. Andy Car Park@July 24th, 2013 – 15:47

    Enjoy the rhyming slang for yank = Septic tank.

    therefore septic = American.

    Sept

  103. Andy Car Park
    July 24th, 2013 – 15:47
    Alas, you sound like a rude, crude, lewd youth.
    Try reading Emerson for the pure beauty and logic of his work.
    Shame on you for being so nasty on a lovely summer’s day.

  104. David Cameron is so proud of ‘gay marriage’ that he wants to impose it on other countries around the world. He hosted a special party at No.10, an annual event, where homosexualists gather together to meet the Prime Minister and talk about how their view of the world and sexuality can be forced upon everyone else.

    I’m glad that Cameron has done something he feels proud of. Perhaps we could export him?

  105. BTW, I had a lot of gay friends back when the term “gay” in its current context, was invented. There was never the slightest intent to demean the language or the word. It was simply a short way of stamping on T-shirts for Gay Pride Week in San Francisco, Good As You. Meaning they could do any job, from welding to delivering the mail to being surgeons just as well as straight people. It was at a time when people discriminated against gay men just because they were born gay, and pictured them all as hairdressers and make-up artistes.

  106. Peter from Maidstone
    July 24th, 2013 – 20:23
    Re: Cameron, I will echo Mandy Rice Davies’ famous words, “Well he would wouldn’t he”?

  107. I want to come home and am looking for a property for rent – 2 bedroom in the north or Scotland (or the Isle of man or anywhere else for that matter) but the prices are so outside my experience of other parts of the world. Are rental prices all over Britain so far skewed from those of the rest of the world, and why?

  110. verity:-
    check out fish4. You can get an idea from there about prices and localities.

  111. Herbert Thornton, I’m afraid you missed the critical word RENT. I wouldn’t dream of buying a house in Britiain at their mad prices.

    Anyway, all I want is a 2 or 1/2 bedroom (as workspace) with a SMALL garden with a tree for the cats to climb.

    The grandiosity of house prices in Britain is dumbfoundin.

  113. P from M – It’s a horrible site. You have to klnoow names of towns to look under. Like most people, I have never heard of most small British towns or villages and you are supposed to know what properties in them are worth.

    I wouldn’t even dare rent though a site full of such grandiosity.

  114. Anne Wotana Kaye 1, July 24th, 2013 – 16:57

    Dunno about ACP but, thankfully, I seem to have “transcended” Emerson’s works. Now where did I put my Browning…
    😀

  115. “Isle of man”

    Expensive! Full of tax exiles and, seemingly, suicidal motorcyclists.

  116. It’s one of the main and most successful sites in the UK. You put in a county not a town and you use Google Maps to discover where places are that you have not heard of.

  117. ici
    July 24th, 2013 – 22:35

    Browning is wonderful, but waiting for the rain, I reach for Somerset Maugham and emulate Sadie Thompson 🙂

  118. Verity at 21-16 : There is an interactive guide ;”Where Can I Afford To Live”.Put in the monthly price range and number of bedrooms and it comes up on the map.Carefully move the arrow over the map and the local authority names come up with the rental prices. SEE http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23234033

  119. ACP

    “The cigar…is something that commands respect. It is made for all the senses, for all the pleasures, for the nose, the palate, the fingers, the eyes… A good cigar contains the promise of a totally pleasurable experience.”

  120. Noa,

    I note that you have studied constitutional law at the undergraduate level and that your comments on our country’s constitutional arrangements developed out of thirteen centuries of monarchy are based on that. You are a republican. You wish to see the monarchy overthrown. You see no merits in the institution and so you see nothing worth conserving. In this way, in my view, you contribute to the destruction of our political institutions. You do not however appear to have even begun to consider what is to replace the monarchy. In that regard you you resemble the communists of the early 20th century who wanted the establishment of “communism” without knowing the implications of what they wished for. Those implications were then played out on their blood and bones and on that of the people of the countries in which they promoted their views. They were however full of good intentions…

    I would say that YOUR maxim should be “Make revolution in haste – repent at leisure”.

    But to narrow the focus from your general state of intellectual disarray on the question of the monarchy to the narrower matter of your vacuous (I mean by this its lack of substance) attack on me at:

    “Noa
    July 24th, 2013 – 01:18

    Malfleur-00.45
    An inane, immature and petty response
    An apology for your unprovoked personal attack on fellow Wallsters would not have been out of place, even courageous.
    I had thought better of you. I may again.

    Post in haste, repent at leisure.”

    No apology since none is required, but I will amplify my note point by point in that context:

    ” Malfleur
    July 24th, 2013 – 00:45

    1.Incitement: “inciteful of a response” Aaaah, I see! Woo! Woo! Scary reply on a blog incited! Whoo! Whoo! Ossifer, arrest that man! ”

    I made a brief comment in my initial post that I thought the monarchy paid it’s own way. is an arguable proposition. By this I meant in particular that they pay more to the Treasury than the treasury pays them. I have given you the clue to follow that trail in the DT article which I adduced to counterpoint your DT article which criticised one of the royal family for having his house painted at government expense. I also asked whether your anti-monarchical views were official policy of UKIP. Your response, in the middle of an exchange on the role of the monarchy, was to interject a complete irrelevancy which was also libellous:

    “And I’ve noted your continuing inciteful support for Thommo and the EDL. Its always easier to be a rabble rouser from a safe distance.”

    Now I wonder whether you might consider that to be an unprovoked personal attack, since the plain meaning of your coarse words is that on this Wall I have incited people to violence against muslims. I challenged that by asking what rabble rousing I had conducted here and you were silent because your position was untenable. You felt that you must make some response and so backed away from an accusation of incitement to violence, clearly the meaning of your accusation in the context of the words and the reference to “Thommo [sic] and the EDL” but had only the ludicrous pretext to fall back on that I had incited COMMENTS in response!

    Now, a “hypothetical”: If I were to have inserted into my comments on the constitution an aside MISREPRESENTING that I had noticed that as an apparent arms dealer you are giving support to potential enemies of England, would you consider that fair comment or a personal attack and would you think it relevant to my views on whether the institution of monarchy in the United Kingdom still has value? I think you would agree that it is neither true nor relevant to the matter under discussion. Indeed, you might agree that it was a bit inane.

    “2. “Would you find our views more acceptable to you if perhaps, instead of working as Frank P and I did, respectively as a senior policeman and an military aircraft export bid and contract negotiator respectively, we had spent a couple of years in jail for passport fraud, petty theft or domestic violence?”

    I touch my forelock to you both for your service to the Queen, heartfelt I am sure and no doubt turning an honest shilling, but the answer is that I would, and do, consider your and Mr. Robinson’s views on the merits.”

    Is it inane, petty or immature to insist on judging a person’s views on their merits? I don’t give a fig for your career as a negotiator of military aircraft contracts when we are discussing your republican opinions.

    “3.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9975944/Youve-been-worth-every-penny-of-the-Civil-List-Maam.html

    Begin here.”

    This would seem to offer a path to follow in developing your education into the constitutional arrangements which put the monarchy as to all intents the servant of the Commons and ensure that its contribution to the Treasury is greater than its receipts FROM the treasury: they pay their way. Petty, inane, immature – or just plain putting you right on the point?

    “4. “The former are, in the main, but with notable exceptions, sincere and honest men and women, with whom I empathise but who I consider to be misled and who operate in a political dead end. ” Was this lifted from the Prime Minister’s earlier statement on UKIP? Politicians can get things so wrong, can’t they?”

    You mean it DOESN’T remind you of what other parties have said about UKIP, namely that it is comprised of basically good people (i.e. former Conservatives and/or Labourites or Lliberals) who are however led down a dead end by bad men. It’s the usual political slur in other words that you adopt because you haven’t been bothered to see what the EDL is really saying and doing, but prefer to adopt the easy position of the EDL’s enemies.

    I could of comment further, particularly on the crackpot idea that both you and Frank P have expressed that it is somehow easier (and of course you mean, but do not come out and say, more cowardly) to support views of the EDL the further away from England you live. I can only say that I consider that view to be – inane, immature, and petty.

    *****

    Finally, I see little George trapped in the logic of his Constitutional positionand we should therefore perhaps spare a thought for the unfreedom into which he is personally born.

  121. I find it evil and wicked that David Cameron has announced that he is going to personally thank the Queen for signing the fraud of ‘gay marriage’ into law. As if she could do otherwise. She must really loathe him.

  122. I notice that the mayoral candidate in New York City, Anthony Weiner,who resigned from Congress for apparently sending photographs of his penis to girls by email, continued to “sext” after his resignation but did not announce his resignation as mayoral candidate at a news conference yesterday after someone had leaked the new information.

    The interesting thing about this, apart from the light it throws on the increasingly parlous state of American politics, is that Mr. Weiner, a Jew, is married to Huma Abudin, a Muslim whose family has strong connections with the Muslim Brotherhood and who was Hillary Clinton’s close confidante while she was Secretary of State.

    Could it be that sinister forces are trying to control New York City and other forces are trying to stop them?

    Go figure.

  123. John Jefferson Burns
    @ 07:42

    You remind me of the days before the Romeo y Julieta was contraband in the USA by reason of that great free-trading nation’s blockade of Cuba:

    “We quarrelled about Havanas-we fought o’er a good cheroot”

  127. ici

    The old guy in the cartoon – just as I imagine Frank P!

    I guess the editor said to Melanie Phillips you can write what you want as long as you stay off the Israel/Londonistan/England’s down the toilet bowl shtick.

    But what is this recovery that she is talking about?

  128. “…I wonder whether you might consider that to be an unprovoked personal attack, since the plain meaning of your coarse words is that on this Wall I have incited people to violence against muslims…”

    No. I consider your remarks about fellow Wallsters, Frank P and I, made on several occasions, concerning our views on the EDL and its leader, to be inciteful. That is, designed to provoke a reaction from us.
    I have already stated my views on the EDL and its leader.
    They are unchanged. That should be the end of the matter. You are entitled to hold whatever view you wish on the matter, but convention and good manners requires you to respect the differing views of others and not to personally abuse or disparage them.

    As to inciting attacks on muslims, this is one of your more lurid and defamatory creatiions.

    I don’t consider any other of the points in your post worthy of comment, reply or rejection.

  130. Malfleur
    July 25th, 2013 – 11:33
    ici
    The old guy in the cartoon – just as I imagine Frank P!
    ===============
    Really? You indeed selected an apt nom de plume…….

  131. Hexamgeezer – Good morning and thank you for your response. No, the size of the town/village is no of consequence, as long as there is public transport.

  132. “Are rental prices all over Britain so far skewed from those of the rest of the world, and why?”

    Yes. Rents have been skewed due to several causes. Amongst them are:

    1) The demand for student accommodation in all the many towns where the “new universities” are located.
    2) “Housing benefit” paid to the unemployed and the burgeoning legion of the unemployable – this tends to increase rents. Rent controls always do – eg. London, NYC. etc.
    3) An acute shortage of housing caused by the sudden influx of 5 million immigrants over the last dozen or so years.

  133. What’s Hexham like? We stopped there on a North-East break years ago but I couldn’t get into the crypt, which was especially why I’d taken my wife there. Whenever we arrive in a new place she asks “Why we here? Is there a church here? ”

    We stopped at Ripon some years later and I was able to visit the crypt there. I have a lot of affection for St Wilfrith.

  135. Anne Wotana Kaye 1

    You are the one who has said on a number of occasions that you would like to throw muslims in England off a cliff. Incitement to violence and rabble rousing? oh no, just joking no doubt… I am a pussy cat compared to you on this subject, but in a discussion of the monarchy, Noa going way off topic gratuitously accuses me of incitement and rabble rousing in connection with the EDL!! I will say no more except that despite Frank P being thrown out of UKIP after a very short membership, I am beginning to ask what quality of thinking we have in the men who are being selected as representatives of this party….

    By the way, the elderly man in the cartoon is actually being held up as a paragon compared with the young nerd riding on his back, so I am not sure what your point is. How do YOU imagine him?

  136. Hexham is a really nice place.
    Not only does it have a 24h Tesco, it has a Waitrose too!

  137. Noa
    July 25th, 2013 – 11:57

    When in the middle of a thread on the monarchy, you veer off to attack me for support of your spurious and ill-informed idea of the EDL, I have to write you off as a whacko on the subjects of me, the monarchy and the EDL.

    Interesting that you want deference but decline to grant it to the Head of State…

    Post something on contracts for the export of military aircraft and I will pay attention.

  138. Malfluer

    What formal and dedicated studies are your opinions based upon, I wonder? At lease mine are founded upon a quarter of a years study, culminating in a degree in Law.

    I also hold other several post graduate qualifications and worked at senior management level in the Defence industry. As the negotiation and agreement of high value defence contracts demands an extremely high level of intellectual ability, analysis and rigour, I simply find your attempts to disparage me immature.

    Unlike you I do not require that you accept my views and I do not take
    offence when people challenge it.
    My arguments for a Republican based system, unlike yours for a monarchical one are based on reason and logic, not ad hominem abuse.

    I see that your upleasant and unfounded accusation of incitement to attack muslims has now been mysteriously transferred from me to Anne Wotana Kaye, without acknowledgement or apology for the intial accusation. Though again it appaers to be entirely without foundation.

    As to your uncritical support of Mr Robinson, it has echoes of that accorded by the similarly misguided to Ernst Rohm and his SA.

  139. Malfleur
    July 25th, 2013 – 13:06
    I do not imagine. I do not speak in jest. I admire Frank P. and regret he is no longer gracing this blog. I also admire Noa, and sometimes we have different opinions, but this does not dilute my respect for him. I am not a Republican, but most certainly a Monarchist. Yes, I would like to remove barbarians who decapitate British soldiers, and who also mutilate their daughters. This country is overcrowded as it is, and we do not need these primitive deviants.

  140. ‘I also hold other several post graduate qualifications …’

    What do you want, fellatio? Robert Mugabe has seven honours degrees and is tough on shirtlifters to boot.

  141. Hexamgeezer – Do you know of somewhere? I am dreading coming back and having to put up at a B&B and go tramping around looking. I’ve done enough of that in my life.

  142. Verity, what are the criteria you would apply if you were here with a Lettings Agent? If you say exactly what you’d really prefer then we’ll have a go at finding you somewhere. The sort of price you would think reasonable would be helpful. Best wishes. We are looking forward to welcoming you home!

  143. ACP

    As it’s getting to the stage on CHW where a PhD is required to express an opinion or debate an issue perhaps you would provide your own references, qualifications and details of your experience for the position of chief blow hard.

  144. ‘A master of all media, Zhirinovsky was once filmed drinking with his acolytes and ranting about the then US Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice to whose putative bellicosity he had taken an exception.

    As a curative for that condition, the Vice Speaker of the Russian parliament suggested the “black bitch” should come to Russia and visit Spetznaz barracks. There she would be gang-banged until “soldierly sperm would come out of her ears”, thereby rendering her foreign policy more to Russia’s liking.

    Say what you will about Nick Clegg, but our LibDem leader would never utter such a thing about a foreign politician, especially a lady. Not on video at any rate.’

    – Boot (i-ful)

  146. Noa, I am mortified by your monstrous allegation that I come here to offer intelligent opinions on anything, let alone blow hard. I come here, when I come here at all, to take the piss, not to engage in pissing contests, which is a mug’s game to say the least.

  147. Peter from Maidstone 15:16 – What a nice email and cheering blog!!!! Thank you. It is terribly difficult from this distance unless price is no object.

    I’m looking for a cottage or small house with an extra semi-bedroom or small spare room to use as an office. And, if possible, a spare closet. Room for bookcases. A small garden (I am no garderner) with a tree for three house cats to scramble run up and for them to loll in in the sun. They are strictly house cats, very clean and fussy, and the three of them get along. No fights or snarling.

    I’d like to be near a bus route as I have grown to hate driving.

    Town or village is fine. Pleasant neighbours would be a bonus.

    Those are the basics.

    Many thanks if anything occurs to you!

  149. ACP

    Fair enough my blogging friend. I had taken it that you were looking for a job, and so suggested you adopt an, admittedly formal, approach.
    I don’t think that Hugh Grant reviewed Divine’s cv before engaging her services, but then she wasn’t a tongue tied lady. 🙂

  150. P from M – Thank you. I have been away for so long — living all over the world under differetnt price expectations — that I couldn’t even guess in Britain any more. I think I would have to read a price and then email relatives in Scotland … although their prices are also very different from Britaiin.

    Nevertheless, I will write to my cousin and ask what such a place as I described would cost in Scotland, although Scots rents are much higher than English.

  152. Pfrom M – I am not trying to be difficult, believe me, but I don’t have any more idea of what a particular house would be worth in rent in England than I would in S Africa or Brazil. I just don’t know. I would just have to judge on whether I could afford it.

    The only help I will be able to get would be from my Scottish cousins, but their rents have always been astronomical up there for some reason.

  153. Veirty
    Googling ‘best/cheapest UK places to live/rent’ provides a good base for research.

    Amazingly though, my search for ‘best places for cats to live in UK with their servants’ provided no returns.

  154. Verity, I am not sure why no one is giving you cost details to rent , in the Colchester Essex area a 3 bedroom basic house would be £600 to £700 a month.
    In the towns/villages around within about 5 to 7miles it could be £700 to a £1000 a month.
    Cottages are desirable and would not be less.

  155. Verity, I’m looking up North and have found lots of nice 2 bed furnished places with a garden for about £500 pcm. Would that sound reasonable, before I send links to any.

  156. Verity
    Hi, Verity
    I’ve been reading your posts with interest, and also concern. I returned to live in the UK after many years working overseas, and it can be a traumatic experience. It was my husband’s choice and not mine, and I see that you are independent and alone, so you have the advantage of making all the decisions and choices. Verity, be VERY careful when renting, there are a lot of sharks out there. Basically, it seems most landlords do not want to commit for a long term rental, and so after a year or two, new conditions have to be negotiated. Unless you are very lucky, this means rent increases. It can become a nightmare moving every few years, uprooting yourself and very expensive. Cats, indeed any pets and children too, are not loved as tenants, and you may find restrictions placed upon having them, or/and extra charges for any damage they may cause. Not that they will, unfortunately many rentals are shoddy, but the owners think they are made of gold! In addition to the rent, there are local council taxes, water etc. and the usual utility bills. Electric and gas are very expensive. Deposits are required as guarantees that you will vacate the property at the end of the rental lease, and also deposits against causing damage to the property. I strongly advise you to seek the personal advice and help of your relatives, to give you the names of responsible and honest agents, and to accompany you in your search. It can do no harm for agents and landlords to know you have concerned relatives and are not a ‘greenhorn’ in this land. I hope this doesn’t depress you, but I’d hate it if you finished up like me. I was in a fairly decent rental with a good overseas landlord. Unfortunately, he gambled too heavily in the Gulf State and became bankrupt. The house I lived in was seized and I was issued with a warning that it was being taken over. The result was I received local council social housing, through a housing association. Many will say I was fortunate, peronally I have found it a misery.

  157. Here’s a cottage I’d like. It’s on the edge of the village of Belford, just off the A1 and a short walk to the coast at Bamburgh, and not far at all from Lindisfarne or from St Cuthberts cave. It’s £495 a month. The inside looks very clean and modern and there is a nice size garden.

    It might be too remote though. But I’d love it as long as there was an internet connection.

    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-27571569.html

  159. Alexsandr, in my last job, before I went freelance, I walked the St Cuthbert Way with a colleague to raise funds towards building a school in Kenya. I’d arranged to design a website in Yetholm in return for food and board for us both and it was ideal as it was half way on the route. I love it up there. I stayed with my wife in Wooler on another occasion. In fact I am going to Scotland on Saturday (although it will be mostly to help my mother-in-law settle into hospital up there after her stroke) but I am now wondering if my wife and I can manage another night away down near Bamburgh and Lindisfarne.

  160. Peter from Maidstone@July 25th, 2013 – 20:49

    i lived in Alnwick in the late 1970’s. Been back a few times. last time stayed in B+B in Rothbury.

    I am stuck in the Midlands now, but would love to live in t’North again sometime.

  162. Peter from Maidstone, yes, it does look absolutely ideal, but I had forgotten how tongue-numbing rents are in Britain! I am paying approx Pounds200 a month for a two bedroom, large living-roomed house, private front gate and small garden, and a huge garden shared by hens and chicks (kept as pets, not market fodder) who strut and make themselves known around the giant lawn, two big, good natured dogs do lolloping about every now and then, and lots of birds. And a gazebo for drinks on drizzly days.

    I knew I would have to come down a bit, but the rent P from M noted is a bit of a shock!

    Oh, dear!

  163. PS – I forgot to mention above that there are three houses on the grounds, and the caretaker and his wife have their own little house.

  166. Peter from Maidstone
    July 25th, 2013 – 22:32
    Peter, the rent is only £200 for the first month and then shoots up to £325. I read the small print and fear it may be one of those I warned against.

  167. Hi Anne. I know you’ve had a bad experience but there are lots of people who rent without too many problems. If this agency was trying to pull a fast one it would hardly advertise that this is a discounted rate for the first month…

    £325 is still pretty good I’d have thought.

  169. P.S. I shudder to think what he would write, were he to go in for ad hominem abuse.

  170. Oh I don’t accuse you of being a nazi Malfleur.
    I’m drawing a parallel and pointing out that, despite the lessons of history, people are still attracted by the superficial and capable of suspending their better judgement, even when all the necessary facts being available to them

  171. Verity @ 12.36

    At the risk of blowing ones own trumpet for the North East you can do a lot worse than up here. Hexham, Morpeth, Berwick has bus and rail to Newcastle and Alnwick has buses (or a train from Alnmouth 4 mile away). They all have a good range of rentals.

    Hexham (particularly) and Alnwick and Berwick serve large rural areas and so have a much bigger range of facilities than you would expect from their size. NHS dentistry (for e.g) is easy to acquire and there’s plenty of bleedin’ artists, authors, and musicians etc etc mixed in with bog standard peasantry like myself. £500pcm or less in Northumberland should get you something good.

    What we haven’t got, though, is warm weather.

  172. Hexamgeezer, Pounds 500 is around 4,000 Mexican pesos and no one pays that kind of rent. British rents are terribly, terribly high compared with those of other countries. When you live there, you don’t notice, but looking at it from overseas, it is shudder-making.

    It bears investigation, though.

  173. I guess it would depend on your resources though and whether you are working or retired. My daughter was paying about £480 to share a flat at university. And that was considered reasonable.

  174. Peter from Maidstone
    July 25th, 2013 – 22:56
    Guess it’s relative to one’s resources. When I was working, £325 would have seemed a bargain, but once I was dependent upon retirement pension, it would have been hard to find.

  175. Michael Savage on the suspicious death of 22 Navy Seals. If you don’t want to listen to any other part tune in at 45 minutes into it an the call to the parents of one of the Seals.

    This is a scandal far greater than Benghazi.

    A Congressman has announced an investigation, but parents of the Seals are being threatened.

    Listen to it, please.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgM_ElEi6dY

  177. Well you Limeys have finally got your way.
    Ever since Deepwater Horizon British Petrolium has tried to wriggle out of the blame.
    They have now pinned the rap on Cheyney’s Haliburton, a company undoubtedly pushed around by British bullies.
    That after Barclays stole the assets of Lehman to profit from the discomfort of millions who lost money in the recession.
    You will not hear the end of your corporate crimes.

  178. Peter f. M. at 00-18 : Verity can surly obtain Rent and Council Tax benefit from the local Council.That would start at 100% for income of less then £163-51per. week (with an imposition of £14 [?] for a second bed-room–as imposed on private lets by Blair/Brown.)______The average kind of rent would be around £500 to £600 per. month outside the South East according to the interactive site”Where Can I Afford To Live?”. SEE http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23234033

  179. i rent out my mums house. 2 beds. £450pcm

    but dad paid £135,000 so an asset that valuable needs to make a decent return. Rentals are largely set by the cost of buying. and that is expensive. Largely because we dont downsize when kids leave.

    I have a 3 bed house but just me and the missus. So the housing stock is ubder utilised. Kids dont live with mum and dad till they get maried now, they want their own pad. Many need one cos they have to work away. and as noted above many need accommodating while at uni.
    Then there is immigration….
    and we wont live in flats. we all want a house

  180. There was some factless criticism of the English Defence League on this Wall these last couple of days.

    May I suggest that as an intellectual exercise Wallsters therefore spend half an hour listening to and then critiqueing here Tommy Robinson’s speech at the recent demonstration in Birmingham which can be found at the EDL website (though not at the BBC)?

    As you have the bodies of members of our Armed Forces killed in battle against islamists being smuggled into England by an embarrassed government every other week or so and they were killed on our ticket, it is perhaps the least that you could do. If there is some far right horror to be exposed here, so be it.

  181. Re: Cigar Chompin’

    Tend to think of a stereotypical American generals in the movies eg. Maj. Gen. Holt in “Kelly’s Heros.” But then, I think Oddball may have smoked more.

    If you want REALLY ODD then it takes a Kraut to pull that off – always assuming that this is not, in fact, JJB. 😀

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCtSF7hBoqU

  182. John Jefferson Burns 26th, – 06:38

    Imagine! I once thought the USA was an irony-free zone!

  184. Baron – 10:23
    It is comforting to see that stationary aeroplanes are to be found at airports. Hopefully they are on the ground!

  185. Verity, looking at the Direct.gov website and without knowing any of your circumstances….

    You might be eligible for Housing Benefit at about £300 a month and Job Seekers allowance of about the same. But it modified by your savings and employment status and income.

    I can’t cut and paste the link to the calculator on my phone very easily but will do so later if no-one else does.

    But, dependent on your circumstances, you may have to only pay £200 of a £500 monthly rent if your income and assets are below various thresholds.

  187. Verity,

    What might be a good idea is to ask a UK (Scotland?) based friend to contact the Citizens Advice for you. Armed with your financial details (savings and income) they can work out what your benefit entitlement is as they have an up to the minute online benefit calculator that can anonymously work out various options you might have. Each branch can also advise on their local housing situation is.

    The CAB are probably the best one-stop source for the range of questions you will have as opposed to contacting all the various agencies. They are free independent and confidential and all advisers are volunteers supervised by paid staff) – no information is shared or disclosed to anyone (slight health warning – I am biased as I was a volunteer with them)

    http://www.cas.org.uk/

  189. Malfleur at 06-59 : The EDL demonstration in Birmingham had negative publicity,especially in the Birmingham Mail,with accounts of violence and of 24 arrests:actually 24 detained,and then 4 arrested [but no indication from which side].It appears to me some problems came from the space being too small for the 2000 or more who turned-up:in contrast to another square reserved for the UAF where there were only 250;including the man in a fluorescent tutu._____The police generally admitted it had all gone off well:and the chap who appears to be some kind of civic manager for the area said there had been no problems.Two other civil events had also taken place nearby.______This hasn’t satisfied trouble makers who are demanding laws to ban further gatherings;there now being no means to ban `static`demonstrations.

  190. Radford NG
    July 26th, 2013 – 13:37

    It seems deliberately provocative for the authorities to allow these counter demonstrations at the same time and a short distance away (within bottle-throwing range apparently) from the primary assembly. The right is surely one of freedom of assembly, not freedom of counter demonstration which conflicts with the concept of peaceable assembly.

  191. Sitting in a pub in town centre .
    Guy walks past with his skateboard under his arm. Too old !!!
    At what age do you stop being a cool dude and start looking like a twat.

  192. John birch@July 26th, 2013 – 15:24

    when your jeans have elasticated waist band. 🙁

  194. John birch
    July 26th, 2013 – 15:24
    When you can’t shlap the skateboard on your Zimmer frame! 🙂

  195. Pretty frightening development, not unexpected of course…

    The European Union is planning to “own and operate” spy drones, surveillance satellites and aircraft as part of a new intelligence and security agency under the control of Baroness Ashton. The controversial proposals are a major move towards creating an independent EU military body with its own equipment and operations, and will be strongly opposed by Britain. Officials told the Daily Telegraph that the European Commission and Lady Ashton’s European External Action Service want to create military command and communication systems to be used by the EU for internal security and defence purposes.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/bruno-in-brussels-eu-unplugged/brusselsbruno/367/eu-planning-to-own-and-operate-spy-drones-and-an-air-force/

  196. From a comment by George Bathurst on the Spectator

    “According to gov.uk (the new Govt website).

    The Prime Minister is head of the UK government. He is ultimately responsible for all policy and decisions.

    Except that he isn’t. That’s HM The Queen’s job description. The Prime Minister acts with the sovereign’s delegated authority but does not own that authority. The sovereign in turn gets her authority from a combination of Parliament and Common Law (in a compromise thrashed out after Parliament won the Civil War but the country failed wholly to accept this until the monarchy was restored).

    It is a sad legacy of Elizabeth II that she has allowed politicians to progressively impinge on her prerogative and thus unbalance the constitution. Cameron’s claim that he heads the UK government is yet another of example of his lack of constitutional Conservatism, the worst being his appropriation of the Queen’s right to dissolve Parliament if the government cannot command a majority.”

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/07/what-gov-uk-doesnt-want-you-to-know/

  197. “…Huma Abedin [married to Anthony Weiner, canidatefor Mayor of New York City and serial sexter of photos of his private parts] has a brother named Hassan Abedin who works at Oxford University.”

    “What is significant is that Oxford University, which has long been infiltrated by Islamists who founded the Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies (OCIS), has Huma’s brother listed as a fellow and partners with a number of Muslim Brotherhood members on the Board, including al-Qaeda associate,Omar Naseef and the notorious Muslim Brotherhood leader Sheikh Youssef Qaradawi; both have been listed as OCIS Trustees. Naseef continues to serve as Board Chairman” (Shoebat.com, Document/Secret Connections).”

    http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/forbidden-table-talk/2013/jul/25/latest-weiner-scandal-more-meets-eye/

    The enemy within?

  199. Friday night is Frank P’s naughty niece Tribute Night!

    A Scout’s letter home to his mum.

    ”
    Dear Mum,

    Our Scoutmaster told us to write to our parents in case you saw the flood on TV and got worried. We are okay. Only one of our tents and 2 sleeping bags got washed away. Luckily, none of us got drowned because we were all up on the mountain looking for Adam when it happened.
    Oh yes, please call Adam’s mother and tell her he is okay. He can’t write because of the cast. I got to ride in one of the search and rescue Jeeps. It was great. We never would have found Adam in the dark if it hadn’t been for the lightning.
    Scoutmaster Ted got mad at Adam for going on a hike alone without telling anyone. Adam said he did tell him, but it was during the fire so he probably didn’t hear him. Did you know that if you put petrol on a fire, it will blow up?
    The wet wood didn’t burn, but one of the tents did and also some of our clothes. Matthew is going to look weird until his hair grows back.
    We will be home on Saturday if Scoutmaster Ted gets the bus fixed. It wasn’t his fault about the crash. The brakes worked okay when we left. Scoutmaster Ted said that with a bus that old, you have to expect something to break down; that’s probably why he can’t get insurance.
    We think it’s a super bus. He doesn’t care if we get it dirty, and if it’s hot, sometimes he lets us ride on the bumpers. It gets pretty hot with 45 people in a bus made for 24. He let us take turns riding in the trailer until the policeman stopped and talked to us.
    Scoutmaster Ted is a neat guy. Don’t worry, he is a good driver. In fact, he is teaching Horace how to drive on the mountain roads where there aren’t any cops. All we ever see up there are huge logging trucks.
    This morning all of the guys were diving off the rocks and swimming out to the rapids. Scoutmaster Ted wouldn’t let me because I can’t swim, and Adam was afraid he would sink because of his cast , so he let us take the canoe out. It was great. You can still see some of the trees under the water from the flood.
    Scoutmaster Ted isn’t crabby like some scoutmasters. He didn’t even get mad about the life jackets. He has to spend a lot of time working on the bus so we are trying not to cause him any trouble.
    Guess what? We have all passed our first aid merit badges. When Andrew dived into the lake and cut his arm, we all got to see how a tourniquet works.
    Steve and I threw up, but Scoutmaster Ted said it was probably just food poisoning from the left-over chicken. He said they got sick that way with food they ate in prison. I’m so glad he got out and became our scoutmaster. He said he sure figured out how to get things done better while he was doing his time. By the way, what is a pedal-file?
    I have to go now. We are going to town to post our letters and buy some more beer and ammo. Don’t worry about anything. We are fine and tonight it’s my turn to sleep in the Scoutmaster’s tent.

    Love to you all.

    Dan”

  201. 1. • Hizballah’s “armed wing” added to EU terror list
    European foreign ministers unanimously agreed to blacklist Hizbollah’s armed wing due to concern over its suspected terrorist operations in Europe. The blacklisting triggers the freezing of any assets the armed wing may hold in the 28-nation bloc. Until now, the EU had resisted pressure from Washington and Israel to take the step. The measure was approved by the EU only after distinguishing between Hizballah’s armed and political wings, which as they too know perfectly well is a completely artificial distinction. But it permits the Europeans to continue financial and diplomatic ties with the terrorist organization. Debka.

    DEBKAfile Special Report Jul 26, 2013, 10:48 PM (IDT)

    2. At the huge pro-military rally held in Cairo Friday, July 26, demonstrators shouted slogans against Barack Obama and calls to revive Nasser’s 1960s bond with Russia. “Bye Bye America!” took the place of chants against the Muslim Brotherhood, as huge placards waved over their heads depicting a threesome: Gen. El-Sisi, Vladimir Putin and Gemal Abdel Nasser, who ruled Egypt in the 60s in close alliance with the Soviet Union.

  202. Noa
    July 26th, 2013 – 19:02

    I think republicans and supporters of a constitutional monarchy can find common ground on the question of ‘who governs Britain?’

    It is clearly not, at least on all questions of vital or essential interest, ‘the Queen in Parliament’ on behalf of the electorate and in the best interests of the people of Britain as a whole.

    It is not the government with a majority in the House of Commons except in the technical sense.Most matters of importance, especially the sovereign power of legislating have been transferred to the European Union.

    Furthermore, no one on the common rank really knows who runs the European Union – except as a technicality – and whoever they are, they are certainly not accountable to the people of the United Kingdom.

    No doubt when a Prime Minister enters Downing Street, he hears the dog whistle and no doubt to his complete astonishment learns the answer to the question for the first time; but part of the deal is then to keep mum. Or so it appears to me.

    Where do we start to heal the wounds in the body politic of our country which threaten its integrity and even its existence in any recognisable form? I think we have to learn who controls it and then take steps. Otherwise we will be distracted with innumerable single issues which flow from the same ill.

    Confucius stated a principle – good government requires the rectification of names. 正名 This might be understood as beginning to call things by their correct names.

    What are the correct words for what and who governs Britain?

  203. Michael Savage announced on his radio talk show on 25th July 2013 that he will be disappearing for a few days after his previous show about the murder of the 22 Navy – Seals because of “chatter”.

    Two years ago, when Vice President Biden publicly disclosed the names of the Seals who had killed Osama Bin Laden and of their families, one of the Seals called his parents and told them to clear all information from their social media and disappear because there had been “chatter” and their lives were in danger.

    John Jefferson Burns, this is your America. Time to remove the “Jefferson” by deed poll I think.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lAmQySoQZA

  204. You folks have had family threats for years

    “The governor of Northern Ireland’s top security jail has quit his post because of dissident republican threats, it emerged today.

    Steve Rodford left his job as head of Maghaberry prison after the discovery of intelligence material on him inside a cell holding a dissident Irish republican prisoner.

    Rodford had taken charge of the jail near Lisburn in July after his predecessor left following controversy over an inmate’s suicide.

    The Northern Ireland Prison Service has declined to confirm reports that Rodford’s personal details, including his car registration and home address, were found during cell searches in a part of the jail housing dissident republican inmates.

    It is understood that Rodford moved out of his home with his family in County Down and was living for a while in a hotel outside Belfast. His wife is understood to have later moved back to England before her husband eventually resigned.”

  205. What a beautiful country we still live in. I am driving to Scotland with my wife on a perfect day for travelling. We left early to beat the traffic and we are now taking in the views across the hills at the Tebay services in the Lake District. Just my wife and I. No children or dog. Rolling green hills in every direction. There is still something worth fighting for.

  208. JJB’s latest obsessive, anti-British post landed at 6.38 GMT. I really hope that he lives in the West of the USA, because on the east cost that means obsessing about Britain and posting messages of hatred at one in the morning. Which is a bit mad really.

    At a time when the whole world is turning against the USA, its institutions infiltrated by its constitutional enemies, its demographics shifting wildly towards third world, JJB decides to resurrect a pointless conflict with British people.

    Peter, can we put JJB in the troll bin?

  209. Malfleur 27th, – 01:22

    “What are the correct words for what and who governs Britain?”

    Unelected (and hence illegitimate) foreigners?

  210. Dear P from M, Thank you. My cousin has been doing a journeyman job for me, desite havinf a teenage family of her own and a full time job as a head teacher, but she may well not have thought of the CAB and I have written to her suggesting it.

    Thank you very much for the idea!

    Verity

  212. Malfleur 21:29 26th July

    Intriguing, may explain her willingness to humiliate herself on camera? Her need to stay firmly entrenched in the top table of US politics is very apparent, she is clearly one of the heads of the hydra.

    One does wonder however about her husband: why would such a prominent and connected American Jew would get involved with such a potentially toxic woman?
    Also makes one wonder about the Democrats, why on earth is this lady, with her family connections, so close to the top of their hierarchy?

  213. Dean Street 12:05

    I have sincere doubts that JJB is American! The vast majority of heartland Americans feel a strong bond of kinship with the Brits, despite the valiant attempts by the current POTUS to scupper these links.
    You’re quite right though, the massive demographic swing, soon to be legalised if Mario Rubio & Juan McCain get their way, will mean that soon it will be accurate to state: “the majority / mucha gente of Americans have no affinity with the UK”.

    I still think the US should adopt an old-school Republican approach, develop shale-oil and leave the rest of the world to fester whilst the US lives on happily and independently.

  214. Slightly saddened to see the level of acrimony between “regulars” on here of late, including the self-imposed exile of Frank P. Seems to me that Frank P & PfM had a spat and a simple, virtual handshake should suffice between two gentlemen?

    Noa & Malfleur: without doubt two of the most erudite, entertaining and informative posters on Coffeehousewall. I hope you can settle your differences amicably and continue to educate & inform those of us fortunate enough to read your musings on here?

    Perhaps it is my background but, whilst fully endorsing the idea of free-speech and constructive debate, I feel that we have so many common enemies that to allow relatively trivial slights break up our platoon is a weakness. Per ardua etc.

  215. Immigration?

    The frog in the pot analogy works perfectly: we’ll never notice it happening.

    Every day, it gets a few melanocytes hotter.

  216. Malfleur – July 27th, 2013 – 01:22

    “I think republicans and supporters of a constitutional monarchy can find common ground on the question of ‘who governs Britain?’ ”

    Yes, I agree with you. The concern is how key political issues are addressed, or not, by the status quo. As, in the UK and much of the West the concerns of the populace are not even acknowledged by our rulers, the purpose of our debates must surely be how to remedy that?

    I’m working on some thoughts for an post on the subject later in the week…

  219. Peter,

    May I ask a quick technical point? When I spot an error (or more often plural) in my post, can I edit it?

    Thank you.

  220. Redneck, off the top of my head, I think that if you actually had an account on the site, rather than just posting with an email address, then you would have more control over posts. But most people have not wanted to create an account. So I think that if you had an account you could edit, but without one the site is not able to be sure that you are editing your own post.

  226. Clear Memories

    hee-hee-hee indeed!

    Meantime, your link took me in turn to the Home page of Not a Sheep where my Sunday breakfast was ruined by the story of hasidic boys visiting Sheerness having stones, eggs and verbal abuse thrown at them by local teenage boys and girls.

    Is the Prime Minister going to make a statement about this? Or the leader of the Opposition?

  227. Redneck – 27 July 27 @ 16:34 –

    I very much agree with what you say about the rather disheartening level of the differences of opinion that you refer to.

    It is of course impossible to imagine the protagonists being so mutually antagonistic that they would be – as are members of various Muslim sects – willing to slit each others throats over trivialities of doctrine.

    Nonetheless, I feel that they have allowed their strong feelings – e.g. about Tommy Robinson and even the Queen – to outweigh the most important issue of all – which is the dire – indeed the existential – need to stop and roll back the advance of Islam.

    If it ever comes to a civil war, I think few us would want to reject any of our compatriots as our comrades-in-arms, even if they had been convicted of far more serious offences than has Tommy Robinson.

    That brings me to today’s piece by Conrad (Lord) Black in the National Post. I like his last paragraph – and especially his last, three-word sentence.

    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/07/27/conrad-black-the-monarchys-upswing-started-with-a-death-not-a-birth/

  228. Herbert Thornton

    Good stuff from Black, as usual. Thanks for the link.

    …and yes, at the risk of being controversial on this site, when I was a schoolboy resourcefulness was highly regarded and indeed encouraged. Some might think it resourcefulness and chutzpah of a kind unfortunately lacking today for Robinson to have engineered a day-trip to New York on a friend’s passport, especially when it is not illegal for a British subject to leave or enter the United Kingdom without a passport, to speak his mind on the threat of Islam at a forum entitled Stop the Islamization of Nations on September 11th 2012, the anniversary of the attack on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York in 2001
    .
    Hang on a sec., wasn’t September 11th 2012 the same day that the Obama administration was having its Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, murdered by 120-150 islamic terrorists along with former US Navy SEALS Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, and Information Officer Sean Smith?

    Well, DANG ME and so it was!

    It may not be illegal for a British subject to enter and leave our country without a passport, but is has always been illegal to gun down our Ambassadors. Usually careful precautions are taken to guard against this and to find out who did it if it does. But if you can’t nab someone entering the USA without a visa, what can you do…?

    Autres pays, autres moeurs.

  229. Malfleur 01-16 – of course not, no comment needed. They were, after all Jewish and dare one surmise, most probably white as well. I’m sure they deserved it because one of their antecedents betrayed the (possibly non-existent – sorry PfM) founder of a religion.

    Now, it was fore-runners of the Italians that actually nailed him up, but they don’t get blamed. How does that work? One Jew (allegedly) tips the wink and all Jews are blamed for all time, but a shedload of Italians torture and murder JC and they ultimately get the religions HQ! Go figure.

    No wonder religion is too complicated to get your head around, you just have to have faith ie believe what your told.

  230. Clear Memories

    I wouldn’t imagine that the yoof of Sheerness know anything about any of that.

  231. Clear Memories, you do give the youth of Sheerness much too much benefit of the doubt. I would imagine they would have the same attitude towards any not born and inbred on the island. I very much doubt that they know anything about comparative Judaism.

    As for the Jews liability. Those who shouted ‘crucify him’ were surely liable. But for the rest, I have never had an anti-semitic thought in my life nor been brought up to have one.

  232. PfM.

    Nor I. And I have always wondered, since I considered such matters, just why and how Jews became so unpopular.

  233. CM, I think it is because they have been a coherent community and most developing communities and empires have not seen plurality as a good thing. Some have tended to become wealthy and influential which has inspired jealousy and envy. They have been a source of income to Governments through taxation and theft. On occasions they have collaborated (“they” is a very broad term, I mean some Jews in some contexts) with enemy forces. On other occasions they have been very successful and been found threatening in that sense. I think that all minority groups can be unfairly stereotyped. It is a way of dealing with them. But taking Shakespeare and Dicken’s descriptions, there must, one imagine have been some basis among some Jews for the stereotype, just as stereotypes about the English are not universal but have some basis in some fact or perception. I don’t know enough, for instance, about the criminal subculture in London in the 19th century, to know the place of Jewish criminals in it and who Fagin is supposed to represent, but then Bill Sykes is another stereotype that must also have some basis in reality to be meaningful.

    There was no Jewish community in Maidstone until recent times, but in the Medway Towns there is an ancient mediaeval community, and an attractive synagogue I keep meaning to ask to be allowed to visit. Maidstone’s MP was Disraeli, and his bust is set above the door to what was the Conservative Club but is now a Pizza Express.

    There are very wealthy Jews within many of the networks of influence that seem to be trying to control us all. That leads some people I know to consider a grand Zionist conspiracy. I don’t see that at all. I think they operate, as the other members of such networks, for their own good, whatever their background. Unfortunately stupid people are liable to be led by demagogues to treat this minority, and then that minority, as the source of all evil.

  234. Clear Memories@July 28th, 2013 – 08:14

    because they were successful business men and bankers. And everyone hates the successful, especially bankers.

    read up on why the nazis hated the jews.

  235. Sheerness it seems has always had a foul reputation. My parents visited it in 1930, and being keen swimmers went into the water there. Years after, my mother still spoke with horror of the human faeces floating in the water alongside raw sewage. Obviously, the waters of Sheerness are just a living metaphor of the mainly Chav community which lives there.

  236. We go there every now and again to play at the penny slot machines at Leysdowne. It is very, very chav. The ancient remains of the Anglo-Saxon convent at Minster on Sheppey are the cultural highlight. It has several prisons, and thousands upon ten thousands of holiday caravans of variable quality servicing a population of what would once have been called working class holiday makers.

  238. Peter from Maidstone
    July 28th, 2013 – 11:39
    One of the many tragedies of contemporary life is the disappearance of the British working class. Once it was a badge of honour, today it is used as a mocking slur, if mentioned at all. In my own lifetime, after the War, I went to school with girls from real working-class backgrounds. Fathers who laboured and mothers who went out at dawn to be Mrs Mops, and be around to attend to their families when they cam in for home cooked meals .There was an honour inbred in them of pride and self reliance, and once a Cockney became your friend, you knew they were there through thick and thin. Socialism did it’s very best (worst) to destroy their family-based lifestyles and fierce independence.

  239. Rectification of Names:

    ‘America has no functioning democracy’ – Jimmy Carter on NSA

  240. Malfleur, Noa, PfM & Herbert

    Thank you gentlemen, I suspect I was being overly sensitive: it’s something in the water perhaps?

    My tuppence-worth:
    1. I am really impressed when I hear Mr Robinson speak: perfect articulation of the working-man’s frustration at the duplicitous approach to immigration by Society’s Leaders.

    2. Our Queen has been magnificent but I wonder if her successors will be able to shine her shoes.

    3. Benghazi & the Navy Seals: utterly inexplicable how these two events have been swept under the carpet, despite damning evidence. I cannot imagine a more clear-cut example of how much our news is filtered and under complete control of masters of propaganda.

  241. Rectification of Names:

    “The American people have suffered a coup d’etat.”

    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts (Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in Reagn’s first term)

  242. AWK 12:05

    Perfect summation, I was also brought up in that small-c conservative environment and it underpins my thinking always. A fierce self-reliance and a definite stigma on those who were work-shy or looked for benefits.

    Lost in a generation. I am certain that’s why we’ll have no backbone and will be easy prey for our invited guests when they choose to devour us.

  245. Rectification of Names:

    “I have hope. I am seeing a bigger awakening…Even in England I had the cops hugging me – not as a psy-op but as saying “We’re awake”. I had MI5 giving me info which turned out to be accurate, and you could tell these people were genuine. They’re freaked out about their future.”

    Alex Jones in: The Alex Jones Show:(VIDEO Commercial Free) Friday July 26
    (At about 1.06 minutes in)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNqoTjvMVE

  246. Redneck@July 28th, 2013 – 12:24

    it was the culture in schools whereby they would not let kids fail. Everyone could do anything so no need to work to ‘get on’

    kids need competition, and to have win or lose moments. Its how they should be prepared for the world.

  248. Herbert Thornton July 28th, 2013 – 03:33

    “Nonetheless, I feel that they have allowed their strong feelings – e.g. about Tommy Robinson and even the Queen – to outweigh the most important issue of all – which is the dire – indeed the existential – need to stop and roll back the advance of Islam…”

    I don’t think that, in my case at least, that is correct. And nor am I certain that Islam, undoubtably a major threat to Western civilisation though it is, is actually the most serious and imediate of those which faces us. That dubious honour is, I believe, held by the clear and present danger of the loss of our national sovereignty and even identity to the European Union. In turn it is greatly assisted in this by the willing compliance and inability of the very body which should be challenging it, the UK’s own government and administration.

    In short, the Islamic problem cannot be effectively addressed until the UK’s own sovereignty is re-asserted.

    For clarification, and I have no desire to re-open a previous, sterile debate on the relative merits of the EDL and its place in the spectrum of British politics, I do not have strong feelngs about Tommy Robinson. He has undoubted qualities and appeals to many people. However no matter how sophisticated its policies may become, as a party it is almost certainly fated, under his leadership, to remain anchored in the sidestream of politics. People might wish otherwise, but its current image is not likely to gain it the mass public appeal and electoral that is needed to effect change.

    AS UKIP is currently the only party directly addressing the immediate threat of a neo-Marxist totalitarian state being imposed it has my active support. Even so I do not consider that UKIP’s policy of seeking a referendum is sufficient. Rather I support the view of Doctor Richard North on EU Referendum, and others, that the UK should give notice of its intention to leave the EU under Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, and hold negotiations on the terms of our departure. The results of those negotiations would be far more beneficial, and form the basis for a true referendum, than the miserable pro-EU cocktail of ‘Terms of Competance’ documents being developed at the present time by HMG.

  249. Noa at 13-24 : I don’t believe in Article 50 as I don’t believe in the Lisbon Treaty.I believe in declaring our non membership.Who is going to negotiate anyway,exept those those policy is we have to pander to survive?There is more to say on this,but in the meantime go to the following site to win €100,000 for an essay on the mechanism of a British exit. SEE http://www.iea.org.uk/brexit

  250. Radford NG
    Laudable it though it may be, such an approach fails to acknowledge that, at present no party or government is willing to campaign on an agenda to re-assert the ultimate supremacy of Parliamentary Sovereignty by unilateral withdrawal.
    And without a proper campaign and full public debate it is unlikely that a proper mandate to to so will be obtained.

    And I’m absolutely sure that fellow Wallsters, yourself included, are capable of contributing severval potentially prize winning Brexit entries.

  251. IMMIGRATION : You may have seen in the news (and at the Spectator site);a Parliamentary Committee has revealed that the inward immigration figures are little more then guess work based on a system for estimating the number of tourists coming here.I can agree with UKIP we need a complete ban for at least 5 years.There can a system to allow top management,and experts,to work here on contract.Students would have to be properly supervised (which they aren’t now).Refugees would be accommodated on Ascension Island to the standard of National Service men in 1940.

  252. Noa 14.24 – Agreed. Or we need people to possess “tourist qualifications” to be admitted. There would be a list of provable qualifications, among them proof of enough money and active credit cards to serve their stay. Of course, no unmarried couples with children. Proof of employment (and tax contributions), in their home country without which they could not be admitted. Proof of steady employment or a large bank balance.

    The rejectees can come later, when they have obtained these trappíngs of civilisation.

  253. Verity
    July 28th, 2013 – 15:00
    Dear Verity, you have been a long time gone! Today, 47.5% of babies born here are to unmarried mothers. The term illegitimate is non-PC. By 2016 it is estimated that more than 50% of babies will be to the unmarried. If prospective immigrants had the “trappíngs of civilisation” I doubt whether they would want to come here!

  254. Malfleur: Carter was the very worst President this country has had.
    Obama is a Liberal but Carter was a frank Socialist.
    Hear this:

    President Jimmy Carter’s Promotion of Socialism Through The Social Gospel
    By Thomas E. Brewton

    To give him the benefit of the doubt, former President Carter may have Christian intentions, but he supports a major swath of the atheistic materialism of liberal-socialist-progressivism.

    While Franklin Roosevelt remains, without contest, our worst-ever President, Mr. Carter is our worst living ex-President.

    What emerges is the picture of a man prepared to present half-truths and deliberately distorted versions of fact, a man ready to praise the most loathsome of dictators, while denouncing the policies of the United States.

    Another aspect of his liberalism is explained by Mr. Carter’s brand of Christianity, which is more akin to the last century’s Social Gospel movement than to the Bible-based traditions of Judeo-Christianity.

    Even before the 1917 Russian Revolution, leading universities in the United States had begun a transition from the Christian roots of our nation into atheistic, secular materialism in their teaching of the so-called social sciences.

    Nominally-Christian theological seminaries were in the vanguard of the movement toward socialism. Rochester Theological Seminary’s professor Walter Rauschenbusch, one of the best known socialist spokesmen of his era, was a founder of the Social Gospel movement late in the 19th century. Social Gospel was nothing more nor less than socialism masquerading as Christianity.

    Social Gospel embraced the avowed aims of socialism, which sound similar to the results that flow from the Bible’s commandment to love one’s neighbor as he would wish to have his neighbor love him. The insurmountable problem is that socialism, and therefore Social Gospel, is atheistic and materialistic, i.e., the antithesis of Christianity and religious Judaism.

    To believe that Social Gospel is true Christianity is to believe that the Soviet dictatorship of the proletariat was truly democratic.

    In “Christianizing the Social Order” (1912), Professor Rauschenbusch wrote:

    “The Socialists found the Church against them and thought God was against them, too. They have had to do God’s work without the sense of God’s presence to hearten them…..Whatever the sins of individual Socialists, and whatever the shortcomings of Socialist organizations, they are tools in the hands of the Almighty…….Socialism is one of the chief powers of the coming age……God will raise up Socialism because the organized Church was too blind, or too slow, to realize God’s ends.”

    Two other prominent seminaries, among many others, were active promoters of socialism. Their spokesmen also were nationally known figures: Dr. Harry F. Ward of Union Theological Seminary in New York and Dr. Bernard Iddings-Bell of St. Stephens College in Annandale, New York.

    Dr. Ward wrote “The New Social Order,” to express sympathy for Socialism and to laud the Bolshevik revolutionary movement in Russia, which he regarded as a desirable replacement for the Russian Orthodox Christian Church. Dr. Ward also was chairman of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which actively defended the terrorist tactics of the radical IWW labor organization, whose members murdered more than a dozen employees and executives of industrial companies they sought to intimidate with demands for labor seizure of management control.

    Dr. Iddings-Bell in “Right and Wrong After the War,” in this case World War I, advocated Sigmund Freud’s version of Marxian materialism, in which human life is controlled by hunger and the sex urge. From this theory of secular and materialistic human nature, he concluded that (1) private property should be abolished; (2) income earned from investments, savings accounts, and rental property is robbery; (3) the family as a social unit should be abandoned except as a temporary arrangement for purely sexual relations.

    In his sermon delivered on May 23, 1920, at the Cathedral of St. John the Divine, Dr. Iddings-Bell gave his support to revolutionary labor demands for abolishment of the wage system and control of industry by communistic labor unions. He declared that the New Social Order had arrived and that people were obliged to accept it. Among other things, that meant that internationalism must replace American patriotism.

    That is essentially the foreign policy stance that Jimmy Carter tirelessly promotes in his self-appointed role as diplomat extraordinaire.”

    All this at the time of danger to our great country from new enemies like Iran.
    Israel would not be in such danger now were it not for Carter’s weak bellied stupidity.

  255. John Jefferson Burns
    July 28th, 2013 – 17:17

    Whilst I am not an expert on US presidents, I agree with your analysis of Carter. He was perhaps the very worst American president, and your last paragraph sums his legacy up. His hypocritical stance in the Middle East, his crawling relationship with Arafat, all are in contrast to his false adherence to a strong Christian faith. Lord protect us from Liberals, especially those of the Democratic school.

  256. Noa

    Thanks for your persuasive response (July 28 @ 13.24). You’ve probably read the article by Conrad (Lord) Black that I posted the link to, and I think you probably agreed (as do I) with his very last sentence where he says that the British people are in need of salvation. What form that salvation will take, or who will bring it is unclear, but I believe the Tory, Liberal and Labour parties have no intention whatsoever of providing it – just the opposite in fact. You may well be right that (for now) out of the other three – i.e. UKIP the EDL and the BNP – the only one with much prospect of becoming the Saviour is UKIP, and for that reason I too would support it.

    At the same time I also ask myself whether, should there be a disastrous collapse of some sort (e.g.of the economy) or really serious civil unrest caused by impatient Islamic fanatics, there might be a rise – as there was between the two world wars – of an actual fascist party. I know that the instant any such idea is suggested it is certain to cause concern that it would be a repeat of the tragedy of Hitler and the Nazis, but I question whether it would necessarily have the same racially murderous nature. Dr. Salazar and General Franco are still much condemned and hated by leftists and Liberals but they did save both Portugal and Spain from the three great disasters of the 20th century – i.e. Marxism, participation in World War 2, and the mass exterminations of people in gas chambers.

    The two immense disasters that loom over us in this century are of course the European Union and the cuckoo in the nest – i.e. the fledgling European Caliphate.

  257. John Jefferson Burns

    You miss the point.

    Good president or bad president, democrat or republican, socialist or liberal: a former president of the United States has said that the USA is no longer a functioning democracy and a senior official from the Reagan administration has said that the American people have suffered a coup d’etat.

    Does this strike you as in no way noteworthy?!

    Roberts’ full sentence is:

    ‘The American people have suffered a coup d’etat, but they are hesitant to acknowledge it’.

    So it would appear. Just as you believe that Clovelly is in Cornwall, so you appear to think that there is a democrat in the White House.

  259. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 18:50

    Agreed, except that the Treaty between Israel and Egypt still stands.

  260. Malfleur
    July 28th, 2013 – 23:02
    True. However the fact that two strong and patriotic leaders were prepared to sit down together was the binding force. I pray that both Israel and Egypt will have the blessing of two such leaders today.

  261. In the DT today there is a photo supporting the newspaper’s lead story online which shows a travelling billboard informing illegal immigrants that they face arrest if they do not go home. It offers a number at the Home Office which they can text “for free advice and help with travel documents” and states that “We can help you return home voluntarily without fear of arrest or detention”.

    The usual suspects, including the ever loyal Business Secretary – but with the honourable but equivocal exception of Boris Johnson, have come forward to denounce this billboard as “stupid and offensive”, “nasty” , “racially divisive” and firing other shells from artillery behind the lines of the politically correct.

    All this is to be expected; though I think Mr. Johnson is more likely to have his finger on the pulse of Mrs. Duffy as it were.

    But what of Mr. Nigel Farage of UKIP, as reported in the London Evening Standard, who characterised the advertisement as a “nasty Big Brother” billboard”. How is this man going to lead the fight against islam in Britain, should UKIP’s political calculus allow it, if he can’t even put himself behind an advertisement offering government help to illegals to leave the country voluntarily or at least keep his mouth shut?

    Personally, I find the whole anti-billboard thing disappointing, nay, nasty and offensive – but then I’m 8000 miles away.

  262. Malfleur (28 July @ 22:58) –

    You say – “The EDL is no more a political party than were the Suffragettes.” That’s a very interesting observation.

    Despite their not being a political party, the Suffragettes aims were ultimately achieved. Perhaps we can hope that the same will ultimately apply in the case of the EDL – though it is to be hoped that it will not require the catalyst of a third World War.

  263. Herbert Thornton

    …or of Tommy Robinson throwing himself under a horse, though some of course might wish otherwise.

    What hooligans those women were,weren’t they!

  264. The strategy of the dominant section of the political class in both the UK and the USA appears broadly similar, and is perhaps being coordinated:

    1. To encourage the dissolution of the body politic by conspiring to produce a vast influx of illegal immigrants able to claim benefits from a rapidly depleting tax base and deprive large numbers of legal citizens of the means to support their families; and,

    2. To draw the preoccupation of the people away from and undermine or, better, abolish the classical rights of the people and encourage them to focus on controversial, secondary rights that do not go to the heart of political power.

    These two countries are the keystone of liberty in the world. The political class seems to believe that it is in its interest to collapse the arch.

  265. Malfleur 04:12

    I agree with both points.

    What I don’t understand is how it is coordinated and by whom. If it were the majority of politicians, then I’d have expected some form of “leak” hence leads one down a conspiracy-theory route which usually leads me nowhere!

    I guess fundamentally: cui bono?

  266. Redneck, it seems to me that most of the conspiracies are well trumpeted. Indeed a quote was posted here only a few days ago from a US President stating that there was no longer a democracy in the US. I’d say that the various well advertised networks of people who are in charge, or want to be in charge, or think they are in charge have nothing to fear from letting the plebs know that they are powerless. That is why the Bilderbeck meeting was so well advertised and reported.

    So what… they are saying. What are you going to do about it? And they know that at present we are doing nothing.

  267. Malfleur –

    re 29 July @ 03:39 –

    “…or of Tommy Robinson throwing himself under a horse, though some of course might wish otherwise.”

    Quite. Tommy Robinson would be wise to keep well clear of Police horses.

    Redneck 29 July @ 06:29

    You ask “cui bono”. I think the benefit consists partly of the retention of power by the three main parties. But a frighteningly big part of the benefit is enjoyment of social vandalism – expressed by Gordon Brown, when he boasted of rubbing voters’ noses in it: an especially perverted kind of schadenfreude.

    But I don’t see it as a conspiracy in the narrow, legal sense of the word. I believe it’s more like a vague and unspoken consensus, resulting from having an education system dominated by leftists and their prejudices (which include hostility towards Christianity).

  268. Malfleur – 04:12 ‘A coordinated strategy?’
    It is not ‘coordination’ as this is the harmonious interaction (of all parts/people involved) to produce the desired result.

    Sabotage is a better word as it involves the underhand interference with a system already working to the reasonable satisfaction of those involved.

    While part of the effort may involve collaboration with other saboteurs, it is the fragmented approach that helps the system under attack break down. The innocent participants, oblivious to the sabotage, have to make decisions when unexpected situations arise, when there is insufficient information available to make a reasonable choice.

    The goal of a saboteur may not be the destruction of the system under attack. It may just be that they want is unobtainable, killing the goose that lays the golden egg.

    Also, saboteur groups do not need to be coordinated to destroy a system. Each will add a strain which will, in all probability, make it more vulnerable to attack from the other saboteurs. It causes the destruction of the community and of that faceless but effective and efficient entity, society.

    I agree with your two points, immigration and secondary rights, but I think these are pursued because people have become experts in their own fields and ignore the bigger picture, sometimes consciously, including how ordinary people live and what motivates them. It is survival and wanting, not aspiring to tidiness, where everything is static, has its place, and where they are in control but without the responsibility and having to take the consequences themselves.

    That, I think, is the common thread. Those who are proud because they believe they do see the bigger picture, such as PPE’s from Oxford, have little scientific knowledge and do not live on the same planet as the rest of us. They think it is our ignorance that holds us back when, in fact, it is consideration of others and exhaustion!

    In our drive to succeed, we have those who want to understand and alleviate some of the problems of the world but are poor in power grabbing and communication (the expert, that needs a good journalist at a serious journal** to produce a good read) and those only good at communications, but with nothing to say (presenters of children’s Saturday morning TV and most politicians).

    Herbert Thornton – 09:47 ‘cui bono – consensus?’
    “But I don’t see it as a conspiracy in the narrow, legal sense of the word. I believe it’s more like a vague and unspoken consensus, resulting from having an education system dominated by leftists and their prejudices (which include hostility towards Christianity).”

    Quite! And so much originates from their hold over TV, piping propaganda into peoples’ living rooms when they are relaxing, schools, when the children are ‘learning’ and into the heads of young children being baby-sat by the TV.

    **there are few, if any, around now, as we all know!

  269. I have copied my last post into this week’s thread, where I should have put it in the first place!

  270. Ironic how the lawmakers temper their judgements with a complete lack of mercy. It has been deemed acceptable for disabled adults and children to be deprived of their own rooms due to the woeful financial state of the country. Unfortunately, amy disabled and very ill people really need to sleep in their own bedrooms. Beds have to be adapted to medical needs, and for a healthy child to share with a sibling can be fraught with problems. If the unfortunate families insist on retaining the ‘extra’ bedroom they will be responsible for paying extra money each week, which most can barely afford. How apt, that David Cameron who had a seriously disabled son, who later died, went ahead and created a whole basement area to give the child plenty of living space. The building of basements often endangers the stability of neighbouring houses, but when it is the Cameron family, that is a small detail. There surely is one law for the rich and another for the poor.

  272. Peter from Maidstone
    July 30th, 2013 – 12:42

    Peter, I was listening to a BBC News programme today, and whilst in theory this is what was said, I don’t believe a word of what this U-Term government says in theory. I hope I am wrong.

  274. Peter from Maidstone
    July 30th, 2013 – 15:03
    Are we on the wrong page?
    I too agree with employment not benefits. BUT, in a country where jobs are scarce for the able-bodied, how much harder are they to find for the disabled? Here there is a culture of “not being awfully keen” on employing the disabled, whether they are blind, amputees or whatever. Goes right back to after World War I, and unlike other countries where the blind and disabled can and do work, our unfortunate disabled are shunted off on miserable pensions/benefits. So you are in broad agreement, Peter? Well, must have a Ladies/Gentleman’s Agreement to disagree! 🙂

  275. Peter, I’ve taken the liberty of moving our discussion onto the current page.

  276. Anne, are we talking about disabled children who will not be penalised for having a room if they need one, and at 16 are entitled to one in any case. Or are we talking about the level of benefits disabled adults receive. These are different issues. Unfortunately if there were not so many people claiming disability benefit for so long who do not properly qualify then those who are truly disabled might be able to receive more.

    But in any case all benefits must be within the scope of what can be afforded.

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