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If anyone doubts that this country has not joined the gadarene swine on the gallop to perdition then read on. I am chairman of a small charity in Whitechapel providing help to the homeless. We are and always have, been staffed entirely by volunteers, with one exception. We gave a paid position to a woman who had been using our services. As it turned out this woman was a disaster, when her contract expired we declined to renew. Being entirely ignorant of the law we assumed that a contract was exactly that, we soon learnt differently.
The woman in question took us to an employment tribunal, she lost the case but appealed, and won the appeal and was awarded a sum of money we could not possibly pay, and if we could I am damned if I would. She lied from start to finish, but we could not prove this and to top it all we had fallen into the hands of a firm of ambulance chasing lawyers who took us to the cleaners. Turnaround is now facing imminent closure.
As I said, she lied at the hearing. One of the reasons we are closing that our funding has disappeared, the reason for this is that the bitch contacted our funders with false allegations, she also laid allegations at the charities commission and companies house. However perhaps all is not lost, she made unpleasant allegations against one of our trustees, that will be her undoing. Elisha was incensed at those libels and has engaged a legal team, then it all came crawling out of the woodwork.
Miss Monica Candikova, who’s real name is Jessica, is on her way to the High court. It has now been proven that she stole documentation from our files, which is grounds for instant dismissal, she will be charged with benefit fraud, her overseas assets, which the DSS was unaware she was in possession, are in the process of being frozen, she was sacked from the only other job she had in this country, for theft and there are several other charges heading her way. Jessica will soon be going on a little holiday and it will not be to Brighton.
Now in the grand scheme of things none of this matters, we are nothing but a small charity, but these events are replicated in the real world where small businesses are frightened to employ people for fear of the same thing happening to them. This is a shining example of what happens when people who have no experience of the World as it is, pass laws the consequence of which they cannot comprehend.
Tried to take a look at what I think is your charity website. My browser tells me it contains malware…sorry, I decided not to continue.
Ostrich,
Our web address is as follows. turnaroundresourcese1.org.uk
I think it should be this…
http://www.turnarounde1.org.uk/
Peter,
Thanks for the correction. It is one of the great ironies of my life that I am chairman of a charity providing internet access to the homeless when I can’t even figure out how to operate my mobile phone let alone cope with the intricacies of the computer.
Alex Boot on the sound-bite modus operadi of British TV (w)anchors, as opposed to the more languid and cerebral interviewing approach of Israeli anchors, he was being interviewed about developments in the Ukraine and regrets that his comments are already overtaken by events, so catches up (pro tem – obviously) on his blog:
http://alexanderboot.com/content/what-price-ukrainian-revolution
One suspects that there will be maany more posts on this burgeoning disaster precipitated by the encroaching EU and its many evils.
stephen maybery 24th, – 11:35
Thanks, Stephen; clearly what came up in my search was something masquerading under a false flag. Best of luck with your legal issues, although what is so galling is that a case with no merit whatsoever should have cost your charity so much.
I posted the following at the very end ofg last weeks wall.
All this mention of boy’s schools / girl’s schools (mine was boys only) reminded me of an article a young male teacher wrote, I can’t remember in which paper.
His first job as a teacher was at a mixed sex junior school, until he arrived the staff were 100% women and had been for years, so much so that a gent’s staff toilet had to be designated for him.
At his first interview with the ‘Head’ he was given a long list of problem/hyperactive children and was told to keep a careful eye on these troublesome boys.
What he actually found was that these boys were all bright, intelligent, excitable and energetic, in other words boys being boys, he recognised that his female colleagues were comparing these boys with the more placid quieter girls and jumping to the silly conclusion that these boys had problems, when in fact it was these women teachers who had no empathy with young males.
David Ossitt@February 24th, 2014 – 14:41
I have a relative who had a little girl. Nice placid and compliant. Then she had a son. He wasn’t. I was there when she asked her sister in law, a teacher, if he was OK. She said ‘Yes, he is just a boy’
Boys and girls are different even from birth.
Today’s Naughty Niece missive:
Subject: Psychopath Test
Read this test carefully, come up with an answer and then scroll down to the bottom for the result. This is not a trick question. It is as it reads. No one I know has got it right.
A woman, while at the funeral of her own mother, met a guy whom she did Not know. She thought this guy was amazing. She believed him to be her dream guy so much, that she fell in love with him right there, but never asked for his number and could not find him. A few days later she killed her sister.
Question: What is her motive for killing her sister?
[Give this some thought before you answer]
Answer:
She was hoping the guy would appear at the funeral again. If you answered this correctly, you think like a psychopath. This was a test by a famous American Psychologist used to test if one has the same mentality as a killer. Many arrested serial killers took part in the test and answered the question correctly.
If you didn’t answer the question correctly, good for you.
If you got the answer correct, please let me know so I can take you off my email list.
One more – same source (obviously she’s been watching the Scots Independence debate):
A salesman drove into a small town where a circus was in progress.
A sign read: ‘Don’t miss Bruce The Amazing Scotsman’. The salesman bought a ticket and sat down.
There, on centre stage, was a table with three walnuts on it.
Standing next to it was an old Scotsman.
Suddenly the old man lifted his kilt, whipped out a huge willy and smashed all three walnuts with three mighty swings!
The crowd erupted in applause as the elderly Scot was carried off on the shoulders of the crowd.
Ten years later the salesman visited the same little town and saw a faded poster for the same circus and the same sign
‘Don’t miss Bruce The Amazing Scotsman’.
He couldn’t believe the old guy was still alive, much less still doing his act!
He bought a ticket. Again, the centre ring was illuminated.
This time, however, instead of walnuts, three coconuts were placed on the table.
The Scotsman stood before them, then suddenly lifted his kilt and shattered the coconuts with three swings of his amazing member.
The crowd went wild!
Flabbergasted, the salesman requested a meeting with him after the show.
‘You’re incredible!’ he told the Scotsman. ‘But I have to know something. You’re older now, why switch from walnuts to coconuts?’
‘Well laddie,’ said the Scot, ‘Ma eyes are na whut they used ta be.’
And this completes her contribution for today:
A young girl walks into a supermarket and on her way round she sees the bloke who had his wicked way with her the previous evening, after they had met in a pub. He was stacking washing powder boxes on the shelves.
“You lying toad” she yells” last night you told me you were a stunt pilot”
“No” he says “I told you I was a member of the Ariel display team”
BSWaaaahahahaha!!
Frank P February 24th, 2014 – 15:55
“She was hoping the guy would appear at the funeral again.”
Frank it took me but a split second to think of the second funeral as the answer.
But I do hope that I am not a psychopath!
PS please keep me on your list Frank.
The Washington Times site juxtaposes two headlines which raised one of my eyebrows:
1. U.S. warns Russia to keep its military out of Ukraine
2. Chuck Hagel to shrink Army to pre-World War II levels
The DLT case has now descended to pure CYA vindictiveness on the part of the CPS. A travesty IMHO.
Frank P February 24th, 2014 – 17:26
“The DLT case has now descended to pure CYA vindictiveness on the part of the CPS. A travesty IMHO.”
I agree, if he gets off next time as I am sure he will, is there any way he can receive reimbursement for his financial losses?
David Ossitt – 14:41 ‘boys and girls’
This article in the Telegraph has some worthwhile gems! However, we aren’t allowed to comment so, thank you PfM for the CHW:
10 things I wish I’d known when I was a teenage girl at school
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10658362/Teenage-girls-stressing-out-10-things-I-wish-Id-known-when-I-was-a-teenage-girl-at-school.html
All the points have some value, but I think that point two is much the most important, for boys as well as girls. I could never cram, so learning was always a slow process, although understanding was usually instant! Fortunately, the little I remembered, and the lot I understood, has stood me in good stead, even now!
“2. Staying up all night to learn each subject off by heart is a great strategy for acing exams, but how about figuring out a few subjects you really enjoy and taking some more time to understand the bigger themes in those areas? For learning and forgetting everything once an exam is over, is actually a big waste of your time at school. You won’t get this space, energy or inclination back ever again. Go and seek out your favourite teachers and ask for reading recommendations or insights that aren’t on the syllabus so you can actually learn and remember something from your school education.”
The most important part of the quote is:
“For learning and forgetting everything once an exam is over, is actually a big waste of your time at school. You won’t get this space, energy or inclination back ever again.”
Is that why so many leaving their teenage years appear so dim? They have no information on which to ponder, and sow the seeds of wisdom.
Is that why teenagers find life so tough, when we can see that their exams are less so?
We realised if you have a task, then doing it once, properly, usually takes less time and effort than having to repeat it.
RobertC February 24th, 2014 – 18:24
“Is that why so many leaving their teenage years appear so dim? They have no information on which to ponder, and sow the seeds of wisdom.”
I worry about modern technology, in particular the mobile phone, we see it every day, men and women but mainly young woman who are constantly on the phone.
I was sat reading my paper whilst my beloved was using the changing rooms, I saw a girl about 14 waiting for her mother, she was constantly getting her phone out of her jacket pocket and then after a moment putting it back into the pocket.
Over a ten minuet period this must have happened over a dozen times, it was as though she needed a fix all of the time.
Sad really.
David Ossitt – 19:41 ‘phones’
She could have been waiting for a text from her boy friend, but then, as point 3 states: You don’t need a serious boyfriend right now.
Malfleur @ 16:36
Now, you’re talking, Malfleur, but the running down of the military is not a consequence of the messiah, or/and all the preceding US Administrations conspiring to sell the West, but the question of money. You may well argue that the cash, or rather the lack of it, is a part of the same West’s leadership conspiracy, but this, you must admit, would be stretching it abit.
Frank P @ 15:54
Baron has failed, too, yet knowing the answer is so bleeding obvious, isn’t it.
You keep your niece happy, Frank, encourage her to furnish mor enuggets like this. The barbarian is hopeless at it, but loves it.
Here’s something that Baron cannot get enough of. On a ship, the captain and the first mate keep the log on alternative days. Once, in the evening, the first mate gets drunk celebrating his birthday, and the captain recordsm even though the mate pleads with him not to, “the first mate was drunk last night’. The next day, when the turn comes for the first mate to keep the log, he puts down: “Last night, the captain was sober’.
Neat, don’t you think?
David Ossitt @ 19:41
Agreed, the dumbing down because of the new hi-tech gadgets is obvious, young people think that because virtually every piece of info they may need is at their fingertips, all they have to do is google it, there’s no need to learn, i.e. memorise anything.
stephen maybery @ 09:54
It’s a pity there’s no possibility to sue the people who sit on the appeal board, stephen. If it were possible, and you had the funds, you should have done it.
Anyway, you pursue the vile woman for every penny she’s cost you, she deserves it.
There are a few interesting comments about the situation in Ukraine, but to characterise western Ukrainians as Nazis seems to me to a bit over the top. Granted, they at first welcomed the Nazi invasion – believing they were to be rescued from the rule by the bloodthirsty monster Stalin – but did they not soon discover that Hitler was just as bad?
To my mind a huge mistake made by Khruschev was the incorporation of the Crimea into Ukraine. I very much incline to think that the only realistic solution now is to re-incorporate the Crimea into Russia – along with much of the Russian-speaking eastern Ukraine. Then the closer association of western Ukraine with Europe would be made easier while eastern Ukraine and Russia would gain a similarly closer and more beneficial association..
Is there any rational reason to oppose that sort of compromise? If Russia then wanted to throw money at eastern Ukraine and western Europeans wanted to throw money at western Ukraine it would be a great deal better than throwing weapons at them so that they could fight a civil war – or the even worse foolishness of a far bigger and more costly military conflict?
Herbert Thornton
“Is there any rational reason to oppose that sort of compromise?”
Does Ukraine want to be so divided?
Does Russia?
Does the UK want further waves of eastern migrants, Urrainians, Turks even Russians, because of an expansionist minded EU determined to secure ‘the free movement of peoples’ witihn its borders?
Is it practical?
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/02/tory-europhobia-cripples-britains-attitude-to-the-ukrainian-crisis/
Herbert Thornton @ 21:57
Until the current upheaval engineered predominantly by the EU fanatical desire for the enlargement of the Brussels monstrosity, ethnicity wasn’t a problem in the Ukraine, or the largely Russian inhabited Crimea. The ethic difference between the two races has not manifested itself in any ill feeling of one ethic group, the Ukrainians, against the other, the Russians. Although the ethnicity split differs region by region, overall there was, until the ousted President negotiated a multi billion deal with Putin, a low level of ‘ethic distance’ in the country.
The split that may tell you more about the country is that between the Ukrainophone Ukrainians, Russophone Ukrainians, and Russophone Russians (the -phone stuff sound weird, but trust Baron it is a definable expression – google if you must) i.e. people of either ethnicity who prefer using a given language e.g. Ukrainophone Ukrainians are Ukrainians who prefer using Ukrainian language. Baron reckons the two groups UU and RU would be about equal in number either because of intermarrying (Ukraine has been a part of Russia for centuries), or because they reckon their career chances are better or whatever. If you add to it the last group RR the pro-Russian ‘sentiment’ wins it.
Yet another division may be that between the largely Catholic West, and Orthodox East, but in Baron’s view, this doesn’t play in any big way.
Baron apologises for this lecturing. The point remains, however, that it was the meddling of the EU emissaries, their desire to snatch Ukraine from Putin that re-ignited the ethnicity division. Lunacy.
It’s amazing how angry people are, Baron has just scanned few blogs on the issue of Ukraine, what attracts most of the votes are postings that are scathing about the EU, the messiah, Hague, Cameron, but praising Putin.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/10654966/Ukraine-crisis-Vladimir-Putin-has-marched-into-the-void-left-by-Barack-Obama.html
Here’s one that tops the DT blog by Janet Daley:
“Carp all you like about Putin, he defends his country’s interests while our leaders are loyal to the EU before the UK.
If we had him here, things would be very different indeed. If the best that you can find to throw at him is that he leads a “rogue state” and doesn’t like homosexuals very much, then you don’t have a lot.
What you really mean is – “He doesn’t hold the same values as we the anointed and therefore he is to be demonsied. A mere word from us and the Proles will hate him”.
News flash for you – those days are gone.”
If, in a debate, however hypothetical, like today’s baying at the moon by both Cameron and yon scottish ‘First Minister’ (sounds like a character from Isaac Asimov’s “Second Foundation”), could you ever have picked two people better at getting up the noses of, riling and generally p*ssing off Sassenachs, than Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon?
An enjoyable read:
http://bogpaper.com/clegg-prepares-to-kick-farages-arse/
That’s the last from Baron:
Do you want to be truly happy?
http://www.philosophersmail.com./250214-capitalism-paris.php
Herbert Thornton @ February 24th – 21.57
Glad to see you are still posting from time to time!
I, like most of us I suppose,have had to supplement my sparse knowledge of the Ukraine by reading around a bit – and in this way I may well have fallen among what some here may view as strange bedfellows.
So be it, but until I am persuaded otherwise, and I had invited Baron to set me right, I have to comment on your statement that “to characterise western Ukrainians as Nazis seems to me to a bit over the top”.
Now, first of all, I should like to modulate your comment by observing that I was talking mainly about “the opposition” to the Ukrainian government, albeit drawing on an area where pro-Nazi sympathies are apparently active still in an influential portion of the people.
It will distress those who believe that no politicians conspire, that I also suggested that my superficial research indicated western backing for such elements, including cash of course, but also arms.
I have dipped a little further into this and the following is from a February 2nd piece by looking at apiece in the 7th February issue of Executive Intelligence Review which writes in part:
“Ever since President Viktor Yanukovych announced that Ukraine was withdrawing its plans to sign the European Union’s Association Agreement on Nov. 21, 2013, Western-backed organizations made up of remnants of the wartime and immediate postwar Nazi collaborationist Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B) and their successors have launched a campaign of provocations aimed at not only at bringing down the government of Prime Minister Mykola Azarov, but at overthrowing the democratically elected President Yanukovych.”
and
“While Western news accounts promoted the demonstrations in Kiev’s Independence Square (Maidan Nezalezhnesti, or Euromaidan as it is now called), as initially peaceful, the fact is that, from the outset, the protests included hardcore avowed neo-Nazis, right-wing “soccer hooligans” and “Afghansy” combat veterans of the wars in Afghanistan, Chechnya, and Georgia. According to Ukrainian parliamentarian Oleh Tsaryov, 350 Ukrainians returned to the country from Syria in January 2014, after fighting with the Syrian rebels, including al-Qaeda-linked groups such as the al-Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).
Already, on the weekend of Nov. 30-Dec. 1, 2013, rioters were throwing Molotov cocktails and seized the Kiev Mayor’s Office, declaring it a “revolutionary headquarters.” Protesters from the opposition Svoboda Party, formerly called the Socialist-Nationalists, march under the red and black flag of Stepan Bandera’s Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B), the Nazi collaborators who exterminated Jews and Poles as an adjunct of the Nazi war machine, and in fulfillment of their own radical ideas on ethnic purity, during World War II.
The slogan of the Svoboda Party, “Ukraine for the Ukrainians,” was Bandera’s battle cry during the OUN-B collaboration with Hitler following the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union. It was under that slogan that mass executions and ethnic cleansing were carried out by Bandera’s fascist fighters. Ukrainian sources have reported that the Svoboda Party was conducting paramilitary training during the Summer of 2013—months before President Yanukovych made his decision to reject the EU Association Agreement.
The neo-Nazi, racist and anti-semitic character of Svoboda did not deter Western diplomats—including U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland—from publicly meeting with the party’s leader Oleh Tyahnybok, who had been kicked out of the Our Ukraine movement in 2004 for his speeches railing against “Muscovites and Jews”—using offensive, derogatory names for both.
The Bandera fascist revival has been underway in plain sight since the “Orange Revolution” of 2004, when Viktor Yushchenko was installed as President of Ukraine through a foreign-backed street campaign heavily financed by George Soros’s International Renaissance Foundation and more than 2,000 other non-governmental organizations from Europe and America, after he had been officially declared the loser in a tight presidential contest with Viktor Yanukovych. On Jan. 22, 2010, one of Yushchenko’s last acts as President, after losing his reelection bid to Yanukovych by a wide margin, was to name Stepan Bandera a Hero of Ukraine, which is a high state honor. Yushchenko’s second wife, Kateryna Chumachenko, was herself a member of the youth group of the Banderist OUN-B in Chicago, where she was born, according to news accounts. In the 1980s, Chumachenko headed the Washington offices of the Ukrainian Congress Committee of America (in which OUN-B influence was great at that time, according to the Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine) and the National Captive Nations Committee, before moving over to the State Department Bureau for Human Rights. In January 2011, President Yanukovych announced that Bandera’s Hero of Ukraine status had been officially revoked.”
This is followed by an analysis of the roots and persistence of fascist organizations in the Ukraine.
Then:
“On Jan. 25, 2014, twenty-nine Ukrainian leaders of political parties, civic and religious organizations, including former presidential candidate and parliamentarian Natalia Vitrenko, sent an open letter to the United Nations Secretary General and leaders of the EU and the United States, decrying the Western support for the neo-Nazi campaign to carry out a bloody coup against a legitimately elected government.
The open letter read, in part: “You should understand that, in supporting the actions of the guerillas in Ukraine … you yourselves are directly protecting, inciting, and egging on Ukrainian neo-Nazis and neo-fascists.”
The article or “fact sheet” as it calls itself concludes:
“Counterpunch also published a Jan. 29 article by Eric Draitser, “Ukraine and the Rebirth of Fascism,” which began with the warning: “The violence on the streets of Ukraine is far more than an expression of popular anger against a government. Instead, it is merely the latest example of the rise of the most insidious form of fascism that Europe has seen since the fall of the Third Reich…. In an attempt to pry Ukraine out of the Russian sphere of influence, the U.S.-EU-NATO alliance has, not for the first time, allied itself with fascists.” ”
In so far as this is not all left-wing propaganda and disinformation, I am not yet convinced by your comment that to see Nazis as the driver of the opposition which just destroyed an elected government and may yet be seen to have provoked Russian military action is “over the top”.
Those who were so quick to slur the English Defence League (not you Herbert) with accusations of Nazi policies and actions should really hurry up and learn the difference between an English working class movement exercising constitutional rights in the face of opposition from government allied with islam reaction and left-wing authoritarianism on the one hand and, on the other, what appears to be real fascism now in tenuous power in Kiev.
Wow – I seem to have stirred up a lot of comment. I’m not entirely convinced though that a good many Ukrainians don’t tend to be somewhat anti-Russian.
About 60 years ago during my National Service in Britain I was posted to a Joint Services language school and learned to speak Russian (now, sadly, mostly forgotten).
On a few occasions since then though, I’ve overheard Ukrainian people speaking what I at first took to be Russian. I then discovered that my mistake caused considerable indignation – the most recent being – Mwee po-Russki NYE rezumyemsya! Sorry if my transliteration isn’t the standard sort.
Russians on the other hand have always been delighted that I could speak some of their language.
From Peter Hitchens latest blog entry, who sees the EU’s role in the current crisis in Ukraine much as a continuation of Germany’s early 20th Century foreign policy.:-
“…the EU pursues traditional German foreign policies, aimed towards the creation of the ‘Mitteleuropa’ concept first put forward by Friedrich Naumann in his 1915 book of that name. Alleged German plans from that period envisaged Ukraine wholly under German economic control, made Georgia (in the Caucasus) a German dependency, and the colonisation of the Crimea. The First Treaty of Brest Litovsk , dictated by Germany in February 1918, created (very briefly) the only modern state of Ukraine before the present one emerged from the 1991 collapse of the USSR. Had it survived, such a state would have been very much in the German sphere. The second treaty, in March, forced Russia to withdraw from Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltic States (German and Austrian domination of Poland was assumed).
Much of this territory was regained by the Soviets in subsequent fighting, after the defeat of the Central powers in November 1918. Stalin seized still more in 1940 – the Baltic states, Eastern Poland, Sub-Carpathian Ukraine, ad a large chunk of Finland. When Hitler attacked Stalin June 1941, his strongest armies drove into Ukraine, and some did eventually reach the very edge of the Caucasus, for which the Nazis had planned special forms of autonomous, or satellite government. This is, in short, a very longstanding struggle for land and resources, and I do find myself wondering if the people-power revolution has not now replaced old-fashioned armed forces as the most effective way of enforcing a nation’s will abroad…”.
And following Frau Merkel’s visit to the UK to see David Cameron, one wonders what pressure she will have applied to that supremely malleable man to lend the UK’s support to her and Germany’s will?
A few crumbs of support for his floundering EU return of powers campaign perhaps?
Shamefully, we have seen Britain’s traditional european policy of non-intervention in continental affairs, except to maintcain a balance of power, suborned to her and Barroso’s will, through the medium of Cathy Ashton.
Noa
Good stuff from Peter Hitchens as usual!
And the pressure on Cameron has been continuing since at least 2011:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2064020/Eurozone-debt-crisis-A-German-racket-designed-Europe.html
I hope UKIP will make play with George Osborne’s offer of our cheque books to the putchists in Kiev. I would guess that there are areas of Somerset who might better benefit from his largesse.
Malfleur at 03-46.
Somerset;see:www.dailymail.co.uk/coffee/cartoons/mac.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/coffeebreak/cartoons/mac.html
Radford NG
Spot on
The link to Hitchens post:-
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2014/02/language-truth-and-logic-further-thoughts-on-kiev.html#comments
“The DLT case has now descended to pure CYA vindictiveness on the part of the CPS. A travesty IMHO.”
Absolutely.
The law abolishing the 800 year old safeguard with regard to “Double Jeopardy” came into force in April 2005 when Blair, Falconer, Straw, et al managed to drive the final nail into the coffin of Magna Carta. The concept of double jeopardy and jury trials were important safeguards against tyranny.
A system whereby the prosecution can get a case retried until they get the right verdict seems grossly unjust. At best it encourages sloppy work by the Police and CPS, and at worst it enables state tyranny.
I wonder how many more ‘Not Guilty’ showbiz show trial verdicts it will take before the state declares another class in their expanding portfolio of jury-less trials…
not going well for mrs dromey and her cohorts.
good. hypocritical old hag.
To be fair, there are real issues with gaining convictions in these cases of decade ago sexual assaults. While accused offenders are found not guilty this will continually lead to many offences being un-punished. The target of 100% conviction will only be reached if we adopt the same sort of legal conditions as apply to racism. In the case of racism an offence is committed if someone from a minority group believes it has. If we adopted the same methodology in the case of historic sexual assaults by celebrities then we would be able to eliminate lengthy and costly trials and proceed immediately to sentencing on accusation. This must benefit everyone and would ensure that everyone accused of sexual assault was punished.
Frank P
February 24th, 2014 – 17:26The DLT case has now descended to pure CYA vindictiveness on the part of the CPS. A travesty IMHO.
Alexsandr
February 25th, 2014 – 09:10not going well for mrs dromey and her cohorts.
good. hypocritical old hag.
Sorry, just where is the hypocrisy?
Unlike PfM last post, this post has no irony!
Raise Britain’s roads to prevent flooding chaos
Roger Falconer, Professor of Water Mangement at Cardiff University, claims raising roads in Britain and building homes with garages on the ground flood could prevent people being forced to leave their homes in the floods
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/10658545/Raise-Britains-roads-to-prevent-flooding-chaos.html
So, it takes a professor to state the obvious ….
Alexsandr – 09:10 ‘mrs dromey and her cohorts”
I saw the interview last night on Newsnight and thought that the interviewer had a very limited plan. Maybe she was taking it in stages and, as stage 1 had not completed, that was as far as she was going. Or was it that they wanted to take the wind out of the DM’s sails?
It was a heated discussion, but with not much ammunition being used.
I wondered whether the NCCL, at the time, had put forward any proposals in the public domain that opposed the PIE agenda. They wouldn’t have had to admit to any links, just state their position. Or did they acquiesce? There was very little information presented on which to make much of a judgement.
EC (08:54)
I agree about the iniquity of abolishing the double jeopardy safeguard, but this is a different kettle of fish. Retrials were possible before that and before the CPS usurped the prosecutorial process in favour of political chicanery, but retrials, after hung jury decisions, were once only instigated when there was manifest evidence of an irrationally perverse jury or even suspicion that the jury had been nobbled.
In this case, when a whole raft of indictments had been dismissed by the jury, and they ‘hung’ on a couple more, then the question of a CPS witch-hunt comes into play and whether they are indulging in a last ditch attempt to retrieve something from the fiasco in order to protect their own reputations. This case stinks.
However in my experience most retrials result in eventual acquittal. One hopes that will ensue in DLT’s case and that he awarded substantial costs, even though that would cost the taxpayer. My sympathies are rarely aroused for disc jockies, but neither do I have much sympathy for groupies who throw themselves at celebrity, then cry foul when things get out of hand, particularly when they wait for yonks before complaining – when hard substantial evidence is almost impossible to adduce and even a trial amounts to injustice per se as reputation is trashed in the process, even when acquittal results.
Telemachus@February 25th, 2014 – 10:22
Oh god who let him in 🙁
RobertC (10:57)
You are right that neither Paxo nor his Newsnight intrepid interviewer did much of a job on Harperson. Neither put it into the context that Clear Memories linked last week ( and often before if my memory serves me correctly) established by the “Labour 25″website, listing the raft of convictions against Labour Party officials for perverted sexual exploitation. The whole party seems to be a whited sepulchre (and not so bloody ‘whited’ either) packed to the gunnels with perverts and Gramscian/Alinski culture warriors hell-bent on destroying our culture by challenging decent sexual mores and even challenging gender as a fact.
This morning the MSM is now trying to turn on the Daily Mail by inferring a ‘witch hunt’, carefully managing and corrupting the developments. None of them have pointed out that the Mail are only plagiarising what has already been substantiated by ‘Labour 25’ and several other intertube sleuths. We’ll see how it develops. I note that none of the Labour Party cohorts has threatened to sue the Mail. One wonders why? …[he says with TIC].
Let’s remind ourselves once again:
http://labour25.com/labour25/
h/t Clear Memories.
Sadly it is also a fact that the great army of pervs are not confined to the Labour party. The whole political class is riddled with ’em. And we all know why they infest the corridors of power, don’t we. Left, right – left,right – left’ right; the Internationale has now infiltrated every possible power base.
Alexandr (11:28)
Peter did – and quite right too. Grist to the mill. It’s far too cosy here at times, without dissenters. Confront rather than censor. It’s why we renegades departed from Trolltopia. It wasn’t Tele that drove most of us away, it was the site commisars, particularly after Pete Hoskin cashed out. Take Tele on. Don’t be frit. You never know, we might flip him. He’s been window-licking for long enough, so he must see something here that’s worth his time and he surely knows he won’t flip (most of) us.
Further to 11:51. I wish to make it clear that I’m not endorsing the whiff of anti-Semitism that cloys to the Labour 25 site. But the litany of cases are unassailable evidence of the nature of LP politics. Miliband would do well to stand back on this one, he’s already tried to justify Hattie’s position.
Tele (10:22)
Apples and coconuts in the same fruit basket doesn’t make them the same genus. Context, old chap. Context! And in your case kettles, pots and blackarse comes to mind. But there is a grain of something there perhaps. I shall examine my conscience. Alexandr can speak for himself 🙂
Alexsandr @11:28
Telemachus is the blogging equivalent Herpes – although he probably thinks that he’s Hermes. 🙂
I am unrepentant. I do not feel sorry for the Ukrainians! A nasty people who are racists to the core. My paternal grandfather fled the pogroms they organised every time they had too much to drink, and built a life here in London. He was only fourteen, but had seen too many Jewish homes burned with the occupants trapped inside, and women raped and then often killed. The few of my relatives left in Kiev and neighbouring villages who survived the Germans were murdered by the Ukrainians after the war. I lose no sleep considering the possible fate of that cursed place.
Frank P 12.01
Quite right. If it’s to survive in any meaningful form the CHW needs an infusion of challenging and lucid ideas. We should never be able to rest on our laurels and pre-conceptions.
hey, all welcome. But I have had some tussles with him in the past.
did you see Colonel Mustard has quit the speccy cos of tellytubby?
He was allowed to dominate there for various reasons. He is not allowed to here. I have no qualms deleting posts and censoring him if I want to. I have in fact only ever removed one post because I considered it too offensive and one poem because it was too boring.
Frank P et al – I have been trying to drag the Labour 25 site into the clear light of day for years. The MSM cannot not know about it, nor can the BBC. Yet they say and do nothing. When the DM tries, it is initially ignored and then denigrated. But this is not a smear campaign, this is an exposure of the very filth that lies at the heart of Socialism.
I detest Socialists. I refuse to make excuses for them; I make no allowances. Even if they know nothing of what is done in their name, they remain scum because they blindly follow leader after leader. I have had no response from Skinner, one of the most disgusting class-war, closed-eyed bigots, nor did I expect one. Millipede has acted as I would have expected – blind defence, can’t see anything wrong. Proving he’s not fit to lead a Girl Guide group let alone a nation.
Perhaps Telemachus could explain why kiddie-fiddlers and their apologists are acceptable?
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/03/copyright-troll.jpg
the reason I consider the gang of 3 at the NCCL is because they were implicit in the loosening of sex laws to allow ‘erotic’ child images to be seen. And they were also involved in the PIE which thought sex with children was OK
Anyway they were at the NCCL supposedly campaigning against oppressive states.
then they get into government and start to bring in laws to outlaw prostitution, supposedly on the grounds of trafficking despite there being much evidence of trafficked prostitutes. Operation Pentameter failed to find many widespread trafficked prostitutes.
And they went against their NCCL beliefs by introducing a whole raft of oppressive legislation 1997-2010
so that makes them rank hypocrites.
(I will argue about prostitution another time but I believe consenting adults should have sex with who they like, even if money changes hands. But there should be protection for the coerced. But there is more coercion in the gangmaster system)
Clear Memories@February 25th, 2014 – 13:37
dont hold your breath. I posted on labour list that a true feminist would campaign against FGM, but he called me a racist.
If FGM is acceptable, then why not kiddy-fiddling?
I look forward to the day when socialists are treated as patriots are today. Be clear, politically, there is very little difference between the beliefs of the Labour Party and the BNP – check the manifestos, particularly on trade and economics, areas where neither has a fucking clue.
Alexsandr
February 25th, 2014 – 13:46
Haven’t you learned that a black (or one of a darker shade than white) can’t do anything wrong? Give the multi-culti’s enough time and they’ll rewrite history to prove it was whitey that preferred the trimmed lady-bits and inflicted it upon the poor, uneducated blacks, who knew no better.
Same problem down here – offer the Abos houses and they use them as firewood. Sexual violence is a given (random newspaper link, so imagine what is covered uphttp://www.abc.net.au/news/topic/maningrida-0822?page=6 ) . But it’s their culture, right?
Wrong. It just proves that not all cultures are equal, that certain lifestyles must be condemned and if that upsets a few dust-dwellers, so what. Apparently, they’ve occupied this great southern land for 40,000 years or more, yet they have yet to evolve a written language, haven’t managed to develop any form of agriculture and their so-called culture seems to be limited to spitting mud across their hands to make patterns on rocks, using fag-ends dipped in (white mans) paint to draw dotty pictures and making a f**king row by blowing down tubes.
Other than that, they spend the rest of the time pissed. But only since whitey introduced them to booze, because, even after 40,000 years, they didn’t even find a way to get bladdered!
Peter from MaidstoneFebruary 25th, 2014 – 10:01
“If we adopted the same methodology in the case of historic sexual assaults by celebrities then we would be able to eliminate lengthy and costly trials and proceed immediately to sentencing on accusation. This must benefit everyone and would ensure that everyone accused of sexual assault was punished.”
Peter please tell me that the above is a wind up!
“Sorry, just where is the hypocrisy?”
Does our resident troll need to ask? or is it his/her/it’s usual twaddle?
David O, I just honestly don’t see any way of dealing with these very old accusations of sexual assault other than by treating them all as proven by the fact of the accusation. This would save so much time and effort and distress. It is not possible to try Jimmy Savile for the thousands of assaults he perpetrated but we can at least give these poor people, who have not been able to mention these incidents to anyone at all over the last 40 years, the justice and compensation they deserve by treating their accusations as irrefutable evidence of guilt.
Justice demands no less!
You’re on grand form today, Peter!
Peter from Maidstone February 25th, 2014 – 15:15
“David O, I just honestly don’t see any way of dealing with these very old accusations of sexual assault other than by treating them all as proven by the fact of the accusation.
Justice demands no less!”
That would not be justice but exactly the opposite, any Tom Dick or Harriet would be able to point the finger at anyone for every imaginable offence.
A far better solution would be to have a time element for all such cases, I would have thought ten to twelve years would be ideal.
The fact is that whilst there are many genuine cases of assault there are also far too many false accusations and these that accuse falsely never seem to be punished for all of the harm that they do.
Peter I beg you to read some of your words again “treating them all as proven by the fact of the accusation” this would be tantamount to going back to the evil Judge Jeffrey’s or else the Salem Witch Trials.
“…we can at least give these poor people, who have not been able to mention these incidents to anyone at all over the last 40 years, the justice and compensation they deserve by treating their accusations as irrefutable evidence of guilt.”
Or just send them the cheque, deducted from the CPS budget.
And all men can immediately turn themselves into their local police station for future Mandela style ‘trial and reconciliation’, lust crime and suitable punishment.
“Are you now, or have you ever been lustful towards a person or the opposite, same or inter-gender, or any other species or genus…”
The prisons will be full of ’em soon enough, fithy mindede barstewards!
David Ossitt – 14:50 ‘Peter please tell me that the above is a wind up!”
It could be the Maid from Peterstone having a laugh.
Alexsandr
February 25th, 2014 – 13:04
Quit = Leave (a place), usually permanently
Flounce = Leave in a manner designed especially to attract attention
So let us examine:-
“As soon as he tags a post start down arrowing it, regardless of its merit.”
On “Is Nigel Farage wimping out on scary Nick Clegg’s debate challenge?” Thread
“Giving up on this site. The situation with telemachus dominating every thread and comment is a joke and now there is not even down-voting for the swine.
On “Who would benefit from a ban on FOBTs?” ”
So Nicholas who not long ago flounced from this site because of his perception of lack of respect again flounced out because Speccie denied the “High Sheriff’s” instruction to other posters
As for tussles, every poster has a duty to post the truth as she sees it.
Further I thought one of the actions attributed to the said DJ was kiddie fiddling(alledgedly)
Clear Memories – 25 February 14:05
You’ve reminded me of a night about 25 years ago. We were on a long distance bus journey from Alice Springs to Cairns and in the middle of the night, somewhere between Tennant Creek and Mount Isa we had to wait for an hour to change to another bus. The change point was at an utterly isolated place, surrounded by miles and miles of wild bush/outback.
The only thing there was a very big, brightly lit, petrol and service station. The restaurant was closed, but there was large hall with slot machines and other entertainment and despite it being around 2 a.m. it seemed to be still operating.
We simply sat outside where there were some benches and waited in the dark for our connecting bus.
On a bench near us was a big, fat, black Aboriginal mother and her two children, about 9 years old.
They kept pestering her that they wanted to go inside the hall where the slot machines were, but she sat there stoically, making only the occasional grunt. Everything about her made me think – uncharitably I suppose – “Stone Age”.
Eventually I heard her say – “Why you want go inside?”
The two little black kids promptly chorused – “We wanna play Space Invaders”.
It made me wonder – Stone Age to Space Age in one generation?
Herbert T (17:48)
Hahaha – very good. Yet another example of barbarity progressing to decadence without passing through the intermediary stage of civilization.
Worrying news for Harriet Hag Harman. Ed Milliband said he is behind her. He was behind his brother too.
This reminded me a bit of the spoof diary of Sir Denis Thatcher. I think it’s a bit hard on Vladimir Putin, but nonetheless quite amusing. –
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-secret-diary-of-vladimir-putin-aged-61-and-threequarters-20140225-33f8w.html
Enjoyable, the secret diary, Herbert, and also a good laugh. Alexander Boot has a piece that reads well, too.
http://alexanderboot.com/content/whichever-way-ukraine-goes-putin-wins
Mr. Boot reckons Putin will either take over Ukraine now, or wait until the Eu swallows the country, then use it a Trojan horse to take over Europe Full Monty style.
Baron reckons the more plausible scenario is Putin taking over the eastern region, or at least the Crimea that Nikita foolishly gifted the Ukrainians in 1954. The rest of Ukraine, the hordes of the farming community, he’ll gladly leave to the EU, which will pour money into it, but to little avail. The EU can do many useful things for the Ukrainians, but it cannot guarantee the country’s long term security. The ultimate affinity of the Ukrainian Slavs will be always with the big brother to the East, it was the two brothers who finished Adolf, and that cements their blood ties more than any bribe the EU may ever come with.
Baron (25 Feb 19:45) –
I agree with you.
Some silly people are trying to liken a Putin takeover of eastern Ukraine and Crimea to Hitler’s taking over the Sudetenland.
A much closer parallel is Britain’s vital interest in Gibralter. Russia has a similar historical and vital interest in the Crimea – and in the eastern part of Ukraine.
Europe and the U.S. should bear this in mind and not interfere.
AWK: This from your “hag”
“This is not the first time the Daily Mail has made this horrible and untrue allegation. And, this is not the first time the Daily Mail has attacked me. The editor and proprietor of the Daily Mail are entitled to their political views and they are of course entitled to oppose what I stand for but they are not entitled to use their newspaper to smear me with innuendo because they disagree with me politically and hate my values.”
This hard on the heels of Dacre’s reprehensible and odious publication of pictures of Ralph Miliband’s grave
I am all for legitimate political comment. The DT does a good assassination job on labour without the Goebbels approach
Remember the Mail’s stance on Oswald Mosley’s British Union of Fascists in the 1930s. The paper published then an article headlined “Hurrah for the Blackshirts
The paper should be covered with grey plastic wrappers and confined to newsagent’s top shelves
I aologise for this non seqiutur, but there nowhere else it would fit in;
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-21/ten-predictions-for-china-s-economy-in-2014.html
Never mind the Daily Mail; they are exposing just a fraction of the sleaze story of sixties/seventies ‘socialism’. The list of perverts already convicted for serious sexual of fences is legion; yet the police and the CPS now continue to pursue allegations against a dead BBC blatant monster and a handful of slebs who availed themselves of groupies, during the hedonistic years of the Sodom and Gomorrah of the Beeb; a diversionary tactic to avoid numerous allegations against known political perverts from being properly investigated. Clamouring for apologies is peurile. The Marxist cabal, aka the ‘Labour Party’ needs wiping out by the electorate pour encourager led autres. Will it happen? Bwahahaha!
And your remark about the top shelves of newsagents was obviously scripted by Hattie’s advisor who framed the ‘bikini clad babe’ schtick as an attempted neutralizer for her support of nonces in her party – and PIE in general. Depraved bastards! DMAFF, Tele. You know better than most what the game plan is, a la Alinski.
“We are disgusted that Moazzam Begg is being retraumatised with the same guilt by association accusations that resulted in his unlawful incarceration in Guantanamo Bay.”
And I’m sure all freedom loving CHWallsters will heartily concur with the sentiment expressed by Asim Qureshi, research director of Cage, an organisation which supports Muslim prisoners and of which mr Begg is a director, after his scandalous arrest at his home in Birmingham
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10660838/Former-Guantanamo-detainee-Moazzam-Begg-arrested-following-compensation-payout.html
Surely, if Begg keeps visiting war zones, to the knowledge of the “Authorities”, it can’t be beyond the abilities of the SAS to ensure he becomes a casualty?
telemachus @ 20:29
Run it by Baron again, telemachus, you unhappy with the DM coverage of the Mosley’s Fascist movement 80 years ago, but you see no wrong with Hat’s ignorance of PIE affiliation with an outfit she advised as top legal officer 30 years ago, right?
What if an outfit backing Pinochet asked to be affiliated with the NCCL whilst she was in charge of things legal? Would her advice have been to consent? Would she claim today she could not know every outfit affiliated with the NCCL?
Noa @ 21:19
One can only hope the police have something better than what the security services had on the guy before. If not, he’ll get millions in compensation, the uman rites lawyers will see to it.
“Researchers found people who handled receipts printed on thermal paper continuously for two hours, without gloves, had an increase in urine bisphenol A (BPA) concentrations. ”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2567846/Bank-cash-machine-receipts-expose-customers-bisphenol-A.html
Alex Jones has been ranting about toxins, and specifically the ubiquity of BPA despite its recognized dangers, for a considerable time. An interview with Dr. Edward Group which can be found on YouTube reinforces the basis for Jones’s alarm.
Silly old ranter, don’y listen to him!
For those unafraid to experience the virtues of the rant, Mr. Jones will be in England next month and on I think March 12th will be addressing faculty and others at Oxford University. May be the Coffee House Wall could button-hole him for an interview.
Michaale Savage was invited to a separate venue last year to debate the case of Edward Snowden. Savage however has been banned from entry into England on the vaguest of grounds by New Labour and “Big Society” Coalition Home Secretaries – both of them Mothers of the Free.
For those seeking fuel with which to burn Mr. Jones to a cinder, get thee to:
http://www.projectcensored.org/disinfo-wars-alex-jones-war-mind/
but do read all the comments too…
Or, as with Spectator, just read the comments.
(Did Fraser Nelson ever keep his promise to publish his views on Neathergate, by the way?)
Now I hate to introduce people with long hair to the Wall as I can imagine apoplectic cheeks leaning toward the screen, so I hastily offer in mitigation of Dr. Group mentioned above that, as well as having reasonably sound qualifications to talk on his subject, he was also for about eight years a member of the US Army’s Special Forces and served as a commando along the North Korean border (with South Korea presumably). He has in effect in his time taken the President’s dollar, as it were, and has therefore qualified to be listened to by some of our deafer members.
His theme in the following clip is the ubiquity of heavy metals and other toxins and their silent, deleterious effect on human physiology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjUbj8cVlSM
I would be interested to learn Anne Wotana Kaye 1’s views on what Dr. Group has to say about toxins and the damaging effects of vaccinations, as I remember reading her illuminating comments on statins, I think it was, some time back now and she obviously keeps up to date with medical matters.
Dr. Group’s general approach appears to be to attempt to treat causes rather than symptoms. There do appears to be ways of ridding the body of toxins, even if the forces that result in their entry are presently too strong to combat.
“…there we drank, and from thence to W. Symons where we found him abroad, but she, like a good lady, within, and there we did eat some nettle porrige, which was made on purpose to-day for some of their coming, and was very good. ..”.
Samuel Pepys’ Diary, 25th February, 1660/1661
While waiting for some printing to be done in this internet cafe, I went to check that “porridge” did indeed have a “d” nowadays and found many entries for nettle porridge and nettle pudding. I seem to remember nettle wine being talked of when I was a boy but I don’t remember ever tasting it. I spent most of the time cutting down the tall nettles with my saber. Nettle pudding, it appears, has an 8000 year history here…
Here’s a recipe for Grilled Chicken and Vegetables with Nettle Pesto:
http://www.foodnetwork.co.uk/recipes/grilled-chicken-breast-with-foraged-vegetables-nettle-pesto-and-grilled-lightning-tree-farm-flatbread.html
Does anyone in the countryside make nettle porridge still?
And is there honey still for tea?
Baron
February 25th, 2014 – 22:36
Pinochet was OK
He helped us do for the Argies
What is good for me and mine………
Telemachus@February 25th, 2014 – 20:29
The mail only picked up on a long running story on order-order.com and labour25.
The NCCL3 have serious questions to answer about their time at NCCL. It seems they acquiesced in the affiliation of PIE. If they found the PIE distasteful they should have raised it with management or resigned.
The fact they failed to do this means they are culpable and the Mail is right to run with this story. That is Bourne out in that other papers are running with the story today.
Wrong again tellytubby.
Baron 25th, – 22:36
“Hat’s ignorance of PIE affiliation with an outfit she advised as top legal officer 30 years ago,”
So, in the period we’re referring to, Hattie was in her late 20s/early30s. Pretty thin experience for a “top legal officer”, I think. Still, since the 1960s ‘old guard’ were passed over, they have a long track record of overpromoting the underqualified and underexperienced.
Let us hear the voice of reason
“Jowell said: “Harriet Harman would have nothing to do with the vile rubbish of an organisation like PIE,” adding that “I don’t want anyone to think this present frenzy about Harriet, the NCCL and the Daily Mail attack on her is in any way explained by that was then and this is now.”
She said Harman, and her husband, Jack Dromey, were consistent in their opposition to “the vile influence of the PIE”.
Jowell said Harman had made clear her regret at PIE’s affiliation to the NCCL, adding there was no question of post hoc justification. Harman’s work did not bring her into contact with them, she said.
She said as a lifelong feminist, Harman “was not chasing whacky causes in the 70s. She was focusing on equal pay for badly paid women, equal opportunities, domestic violence, child sexual abuse.” “
Further to my previous posts I am encouraged to discover that the Justice Select Committee has already been working on the introduction of justice by accusation in a few limited situations. It would seem that the case of historic sexual abuse where there is no evidence and no witnesses will be one of the first areas that MPs hope this judicial reform will be applied. I understand from the jargon on the Parliament website that it can be introduced simply by an Order in Council and will not require any Parliamentary time to be taken up.
Considering only the case of rape, of the estimated 78,000 rapes committed in the UK each year only 16,000 are ever reported and only 3,000 come to trial while only 1,000 rapists are convicted. It will only be by the necessary introduction of “justice by accusation”, as it seems to have been termed by legal experts, that the 78,000 sexual abusers presently escaping justice will be brought to book by the simple submission of an application for summary justice. Indeed the Committee is discussing the introduction of a website so that claims against sexual abusers can be submitted and processed quickly online with fines being automatically imposed on offenders by the use of some clever computer algorithms.
There are lots of things wrong with Government as I am the first to insist. But when MPs can come together to introduce an important reform such as “Justice By Accusation” then I have to applaud it and wholeheartedly support it.
This morning a letter from CMD suggested I apply for a postal vote. It included an already completed application form.
Surely he must be aware of the corruption issues implicit in the Wythenshaw by-election result?
So, is he hoping that by colluding with them, he can swing things his way?
I would have hoped that restricting postal voting to those who really need it would be a sensible (if minor) plank of the next Conservative manifesto. In which case, why should he be encouraging it?
telemachus 26th, – 10:59
Ironic as ever, old chap.
Telemachus@February 26th, 2014 – 10:59
If they ‘were consistent in their opposition to the vile PIE’ why didn’t they resign from the NCCL?
Would it not be a very good idea if everyone here stopped feeding the troll it only encourages him/her/it.
Peter from Maidstone February 26th, 2014 – 11:08
Peter I can’t believe that you are continuing with this Kafkaesque idea of finding people guilty just because they have been accused of a crime, that way madness lies.
And to illustrate your point with spurious figures as in you’re:-
“Considering only the case of rape, of the estimated 78,000 rapes committed in the UK each year only 16,000 are ever reported and only 3,000 come to trial while only 1,000 rapists are convicted.
How on earth can anyone estimate how many, it could be anywhere between 16,001 and a million to pull out of the air the figure 78,000 is ludicrous.
Our opinions are so very similar on many different issues but on this we are as far apart as it is possible to be.
David Ossitt
Peter is right and you are wrong. It is absolutely necessary that we introduce a fair and equitable justice system that will punish the guilty as expeditiously as possible.
And in the pursuit of justice we should not flinch at the estimate of numbers who are guilty. Does it matter whether it is 78,000 or 7,800,000?
All the accused are guilty. All should be punished.
And it is essential that the harshest punishment of impure and incorrect thoughts is not limited to rape and the sexual disorder offences identified by our metrosexual cliteratti. Those who speak, write and think ill of our beloved Labour party and its policies and its wise leaders deserve to be condemned to the deepest pits of hell! Of course such a place is a creation of capitalist lackeydom, designed to keep the poor and Wallsters in thrall to the existing hierarchical elite.
But we do not want to punish, but to reform! Our benign socialism will first look to save these errant souls from their ignorance before sending them for re-education to the new reform camp infra structure that we have decreed will be built on the North Yorkshire moors.
As part of our overall reform programme we will deliver the appropriation of unnecessary housing from those who are preventing our ethnic brothers from living in the conditions they aspired to when they fled their original home lands. Those who selfishly live in ethnic allocated housing will also have their finances and saving reviewed and where these are not being used appropriately, they will be requisitioned.
These changes are to be implemented forthwith. I am pleased that my government has the strength and courage of its convictions to fight effectively for social justice and the rights of the unequal!
From the office of the Prime Minister
Comrade David Cameron
I am slightly perturbed that I am the only one (I think) who has argued against P from M in his support for a legal system where an accusation of a past offence of rape sexual abuse etcetera would yield an automatic guilty verdict.
Am I alone in this?
Noa February 26th, 2014 – 12:27
You are taking the piss, aren’t you?
Noa February 26th, 2014 – 12:27
Peter is right and you are wrong.
All the accused are guilty. All should be punished.
STARK STARING MAD!
Much comment on the floods and how the EU is to blame. Rubbish. I am no fan of the EU and I am convinced that we be better off outside it, but the blame for what happened is entirely in British hands. We are the only country in Europe which slavishly and oppressively obeys every Brussels dictate with obsessive ferocity irrespective the damage it may do to 0our interests. The continentals would not even consider acting against their interests in obeying laws that do them damage, which is the sensible thing to do, but sense and the British have never been entirely comfortable bed fellows.
The trouble stems from officialdom, ours, not theirs. I have always said that give a Brit a uniform to wear, or a regulation to enforce and what you get is the perfect facsimile of a Nazi. The EU could work for us, but our bloody minded jobsworths will never allow it to.
Noa – 12:27 “But we do not want to punish, but to reform”
The harshest punishment is unconditional reform, with added abuse and shame.
Telemachus
I join Ostrich in congratulating you on your delicious irony in citing Tessa Jowell as ‘the voice of reason’ . Hilarious! She who knew nothing of her husband’s dealings with cosa nostra and unexplained sources of income relating to their mortgages etc. She who opened up the legislation to allow the gambling tsars to drive a bus through the erstwhile fairly effective checks and balances to prevent exploitative mafia backed gambling rackets?
You could stamp Blair’s pan-faced babes out with a rubber stamp – how come they all look and sound alike. Who started this cloning process and was it legal?
David O. Please stop all this flabbergast at Peter’s and Noa’s satirical little suggestions for the new age of presumption of guilt. Your glimmer of awareness was correct, go with it … they are taking the pi-isssssss! EEE-nuff, now!
I see that Nick Cohen has tried to take the heat off Hattie, Pattie and Jackie by damning the Daily Mail by faint praise – and citing a possible rational reason for their contribution to the Gramsci-Alinski attack on Sixies/seventies sexual mores particuclarly in relation to serious sexual child abuse.
It don’t wash, Nick. what about all the other LP pervs who were convicted of paedo offences in event years
Actually, anybody that can swallow socialist dogma has to be suspect in all areas of judgement, social or sexual. And why are they all so fucking ugly? Moreover, why did they choose the Prince of Ugliness as their leader? He who’s physiognomy suggests that his face caught fire and someone put it out with a shovel?
‘recent years’ not ‘event years’ arrrghh! Auto-spell-check at it again – dumb bastard!
Hattie Harperson, et al. If you want to prove your innocence, then sue the Daily Mail. We’d all love to watch the ‘discovery’ formalities. Somehow I think it might not reach His Honour and a panel of peers, even if it was possible to finagle the case before one of the Judicial Pervs.
RobertC (12:48). 🙂
It can be no coincidence hat as soon as Delingpole joins the Breitbart outfit, they come up with a universal cure for all serious ailments – and a possibility of eternal life:
http://www.alsearsmd.com/Landing/MB_Breitbart_CCures_20140226_OutlawPlat2Yr.html
Well done Dellers!
Frank P and any other doubters from all of the rest of us who still bask in the warm glow of London 2012
Lord Coe, the Tory peer and Olympic legacy adviser to David Cameron, has paid tribute to Labour for its role in delivering the Olympics as he took part in a celebration by the party who brought the Games to London at its annual conference in Manchester.
Coe attended a 90-minute session on Team GB as delegates heard tributes to those who took part, but Labour also took its turn in the limelight by highlighting the instrumental role it played in delivering the Olympics when in government.
Some delegates had brought their union flags to the event, at which a video montage was played spanning the time from the announcement of the successful bid in Singapore in 2005, when London beat Paris, through the seven years of preparations – five of them under Labour – to the Games itself, which came to a close less than a month ago.
Olympic medallists boxer Nicola Adams, canoeist Jon Schofield, and Paralympics sprinter Graeme Ballard were joined on stage by comedian Eddie Izzard, who helped train the volunteers.
After a summer in which David Cameron and London mayor Boris Johnson basked in the success of London 2012, delegates were delighted as Coe singled out Dame Tessa Jowell for praise.
Coe paid tribute to all who took part, before turning to the former culture secretary who persuaded the Labour government led by Tony Blair to support the Olympic bid and who continued to be involved right up to the closing ceremony.
To applause, he told Jowell: “We couldn’t have got this across the line without you”.
Coe, chair of the London 2012 Olympic organising committee (Locog) who was appointed by Cameron to advise on securing the long-term benefits of hosting the Games, highlighted Jowell’s willingness to see beyond party politics to create a successful Olympics.
He said the cross-party approach had been crucial to the Games’s success, because it would have been “absolutely unsustainable” for them to become a “party political property”, and called for the same spirit to secure a fitting legacy.
Jowell remained on Locog after the 2010 general election despite no longer being a government minister, and was made deputy mayor of the Olympic Village. She served as minister for the Olympics until last month, when she resigned and returned to the backbenches.
“Tessa, I am not going to spare your blushes for a moment. You know we couldn’t have got this across the line without you. You’ve been our longest and truest friend we have had … in 2010, you stayed on board, you wanted to make sure that you played your part right up to the closing ceremony and that’s what’s distinguished this project and it’s going to be very important as we go for the legacy because that has to be looked at in a consensual way as well.”
Telemachus, they are all socialists. Why would they not congratulate each other?
Frank P February 26th, 2014 – 13:15
Thank you Frank, sanity now restored.
2012? It’s now 2014, the dancing bed pans are long emptied down the Coe sluice and all that remains for us is the £12 Billion debt hangover, the initial transfer safely encased in the Coe vaults and the overdraft transferred to the taxpayer via that ever growing £1.4 Trillion debt.
No wonder the cheeky buggers are circlling the ring, looking to sprint in for another bite of the Teathered carcase!
David, to have to explain satire is surely to destroy it. Apologies for having distressed you.
Frank P February 26th, 2014 – 13:15
Are Peter and I extracting the liquid?
As comrade telemachus starts to stalk this particular corridor of the net it behoves us all to take out a little social insurance for future, milibandian times, when our thoughts will be not just reported, but anticipated and preventative action taken to prevent our inequalities coming into being.
Noa@February 26th, 2014 – 14:30
But I am more equal that you!
Then again I may not need any insurance.
Ten pounds of semtex and an expeditious explosion resulting in the deaths of a dozen or so soldiers armed with sabres should be enough to earn me a free ‘get out of jail’ card from any of the gutless, chinless wonders who pull the levers of power in the secret state that Britain has become.
Peter Robinson, the NI First Minister
“… called for all the letters, sent out as part of the Good Friday Agreement peace process, to be declared void.
He demanded a “full disclosure” of the agreement between Sinn Fein and the government which led to the letters being drawn up and the errors which led to Downey receiving one.
He said: “I am not prepared to be kept in the dark by Her Majesty’s government about matters relevant to Northern Ireland.
“I want a full judicial inquiry to find out who knew, when they knew and what they knew. I want to know who they are and what crimes they are believed to have committed.”
Good on him for asking, I’m not certain he’ll get it though.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10662700/Northern-Ireland-First-Minister-threatens-to-quit-after-Hyde-Park-bombing-case-dropped.html
Frank P – 13:31
I am most grateful for the link and look forward, like Hattie, to having the body of a 10 year old upon completing my treatment.
“It is best to have cut ones nails before squeezing the colostomy bag of life” As the Chinese Gerontologist said.
“Even the Lambeth Labour party would struggle to find a more right wing candidate than Tessa Jowell, she is new labour to her racist, classist, right-wing tory core.”
“Harriet Harman is a progressive social democrat who believes that should take the liberal/progressive line on all social issues – pro gay rights, pro equality, pro-choice, pro voluntary euthanasia. Tends towards a belief that religion should be kept within the private sphere.
Liberal on crime and punishment issues.
On foreign affairs ; pro Europe, anti-US, and opposed to unnecessary military intervention, but also sceptical about the third world lobby and opposed to increases in aid ( which tends to be wasted)
Against centralisation and in favour of devolution. Opposed to all referenda.”
I would say both are free thinking spirits and both a credit to women in politics
I personally compare their track record of competent ministerial activities to the car crash at the Home Office:
“In the UK illegally? Go home or face arrest. Text HOME to 78070 for free advice, and help with travel documents. We can help you return home voluntarily without fear of arrest or detention.”
Wow!
I’m stunned, gob smacked, incredulous!
Why? No it’s not a lottery win. And Comrade Telemachus hasn’t offered to fix my Trabant from his warehouseful of spares.
It’s more profound than that. A casual post of mine on the subject of FMG in the Spagetti has been umarked by Julie Burchill no less!
We are as far apart in ideas, views and opinions as Jupiter and Mars, orbit in different constellations, and yet have spun momentarily into each other’s gravitational systems and found accord.
Perhaps it even proves this concept of intersectionality that Frank P tried to warn me about.
It’s really very worrying. Am I, a simple Northerner, turning metro-sexual, or worse? Should I seek help? Please advise me.
And for those of you who can be bothered to check it out, here’s the blog link.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/02/the-campaign-against-fgm-must-not-become-clouded-by-intersectionality/?utm_source=disqus-dashboard
e_campaign_against_fgm_must_ignore_intersectionality
Noa @15:01
They didn’t spare the horses, Noa !
The GFA: At the time a sickeningly pious, closet catholic, Blair claimed, “I feel the hand of history on my shoulder…”
Dr David Kelly: How long before a reconstructed Old Bill feels his feckin collar, I wonder!
Peter from Maidstone February 26th, 2014 – 14:23
Touché
Peter from Maidstone,
Seen this?
http://www.change.org/petitions/david-cameron-ban-halal-practices-in-the-uk
h/t Pat Condell [## Warning ## The embedded video contains distressing scenes]
I’ve not got much time for the “meat is murder” brigade but Halal slaughter is disgusting and BARBARIC.
I’ve been a bit slow in following the Mail’s Hattie and Co PIE revelations – mainly because it’s a bit old hat (no pun intended). The connections between PIE and NCL and Hattie and Hewitt have been widely discussed in blogs for years – so why has the Mail picked up on it only now? Did they find some topical hook to hang it on?
Whole life for Adebolago – 45 yonks for the other nutter.
Interesting that Dr Tim Stanley, an Historian of America from Sevenoaks, is trying to convince people, rather unsatisfactorily, that Hitler and the National Socialist Workers Party were not in fact socialists at all and it is all a nasty slur, probably put about by the Daily Mail…
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100261121/hitler-wasnt-a-socialist-stop-saying-he-was/
I am a biblical kind of chap believing in an eye for an eye.
Will someone explain why Lee Rigby’s killers do not share his fate?
Because the law was changed. Indeed the Labour Government removed the possibility of the death sentence under any circumstances, including that of war.
Interesting that the judge said that the murder of Lee Rigby went against Islam. The two murderers were dragged away when they insisted that it was Islam that had motivated them.
Who would know best?
Not only was Daniel Hannan correct about the socialism and the Nazis ….
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100260720/whenever-you-mention-fascisms-socialist-roots-left-wingers-become-incandescent-why/
…. but the UAF, the Labour Party’s SA wing, behave just like Nazis too. Old habits!
huktra @17:55
They can, if they were sent to be processed a Halal abattoir !
… processed at a Halal abattoir !
e&oe
Peter from Maidstone February 26th, 2014 – 18:04
“Interesting that the judge said that the murder of Lee Rigby went against Islam.
The two murderers were dragged away when they insisted that it was Islam that had motivated them.”
“Who would know best?”
The two rag heads know best, the judge is simply parroting the politically correct line that Islam is similar in every way to Christianity in its kindness and love for all mankind when we see every day proof that it is a savage primitive tribal cult.
Almost all of the atrocities in the world today can be laid at the door of Islam.
David Ossitt
February 26th, 2014 – 19:36
Well said, David. I hope every day is a day of torture and torment for those two evil creatures.
It is interesting that counsel for these two murderers dared to suggest it was inhuman to sentence them to life in prison.
David 19.36
Spot on David .
Islam is a cancer that should be removed before it kills us.
Peter (19:49)
Well, to be fair to the counsel for the defence, that was what we paid him to say under the auspices of legal aid. The armed response unit who attended the atrocity had the answer to this crap, in the cross-hairs of their sights. A missed open goal that has cost us in more ways than two. Capital punishment on the hoof: aka self-defense; aka lawful killing in defence of the realm or the defense of others; IMHO, the only justification – and also an imperative. If they want war, then war they should have and we must win, not resort to the Queensberry fucking rules to appease the libtards.
Situation in the Ulraine
A caption to a photograph in the Daily Telegraph online today adds an interesting slant on the change in power there:
“Scuffles erupted outside the regional Parliament in Crimea as thousands of pro-Russia demonstrators confronted Muslim Crimean Tatars backing the new Ukrainian leadership.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/world/europe/russia.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=0
No British money to these people, please!
I think Northern Ireland’s First Minister Peter Robinson seems an honest man. A rarity amongst politicians and judiciary. Am I correct, I hope so.
Lee Rigby’s odious killers were born Christian
Born Christian
If we read tracts on the Islamisation of Britain we see:
The testimony given by many converts to Islam is that they are converting as a reaction to the decadence and moral bankruptcy of modern society. Many girls see Islam as an escape from the culture of partying and drunkenness that characterizes modern British society.
Another reason why are so many Britons are becoming Muslim is that the Islamic faith is an escape route from the decadence and moral bankruptcy of contemporary British society. At least, that is the testimony given by many converts. The Faith Matters survey cited above found that numerous young women (on average 27 years old) are going into Islam as a reaction to the moral licentiousness, drunkenness and ‘unrestrained consumerism’ of modern society. Quite simply, British young people are craving the stability that Islam brings.
Young men are converting for the same reason. “I liked the way the Muslims students I knew conducted themselves” says Paul Martin, a 27-year old convert to Islam. “It’s nice to think about people having one partner for life and not doing anything harmful to their body. I just preferred the Islamic lifestyle and from there I looked into the Qur’an.”
Lynne Ali converted to Islam at age 19. Her story is similar to scores of other young women who are attractive to the Islamic lifestyle. Having been what she calls “a typical white hard-partying teenager”, she felt a great void in her life.
“I would go out and get drunk with friends,” Lynne recounts, “wear tight and revealing clothing and date boys. I think, underneath it all, I must have been searching for something, and I wasn’t feeling fulfilled by my hard-drinking, party lifestyle.” When Lynne met her boyfriend, Zahid, at university, she felt that Islam offered an escape route. “I am so grateful I found my escape route…I am no longer a slave to a broken society and its expectations.”
So folks will the next Lee Rigby slayers be called Lynne
I am very afraid
This is no joke
We need to go out there and evangelise on behalf of Jesus Christ
Take a leaf from Nicky Gumbel(see below)
Send our youths off on alpha courses
“We are agnostics. We are entering a church – the Holy Trinity Brompton (HTB) – to sign up for the Alpha course, led by Nicky Gumbel. He is over there, welcoming agnostics; he’s good-looking, tall and slim. It sounds impossible but Gumbel’s course, consisting of 10 Wednesday evenings, routinely transforms hardened unbelievers, the entrenched faithless, into confirmed Christians. There will be after-dinner talks from Gumbel, a minister at Holy Trinity as well as head of Alpha, and then we will split into small groups to discuss the meaning of life, etc. There will be a weekend away in Kidderminster. And that’s it. Salvation will occur within these parameters. I cannot imagine how it can work.
However, at a cautious estimate, in Britain alone and in less than a decade, a quarter of a million agnostics have found God through Gumbel. To name one: Jonathan Aitken. “I am a man of unclean lips,” he told the Catholic newspaper, the Tablet, ” … but I went on an Alpha course at Holy Trinity Brompton, and found great inspiration from its fellowship and the teachings on the Holy Spirit.” The Tablet added, “He has done Alpha not once but three times, graduating from a humble student to a helper who pours coffee.”
Frank P
Not enough reading about and seeing such vile characters in the news and on the TV, but once again CHW has become infected with the equivalent of a cyberspace AIDS virus. No names, but he/she/it will recognise that I am referring to them. To cheer myself up, I tuned in to “Mrs Brown” on BBC 1, and literally nearly chocked laughing so much. Rude, vulgar, bad language, everything ‘shocking’ and the most brilliant acting and mime I have ever seen on the BBC. A real tonic, and I think Frank P would appreciate the bawdy but brilliant burlesque.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 26th, – 22:06
“I think Northern Ireland’s First Minister Peter Robinson seems an honest man. A rarity amongst politicians and judiciary. Am I correct, I hope so.”
Anne, I fear you’re not. Even in his early days as Ian Paisley’s cupbearer, he was seen as nothing better than a posturing self-seeking tw*t.
The fun’ll start when he’s forced to make good on today’s promise…which he really, really doesn’t want to.
But, now that his demagogue has left the stage, there is no other leader of stature to lead the majority…that is why they’ve fractured so easily in the past 45 years.
“…To name one: Jonathan Aitken. “I am a man of unclean lips,” he told the Catholic newspaper, the Tablet, ” … but I went on an Alpha course at Holy Trinity Brompton, and found great inspiration from its fellowship and the teachings on the Holy Spirit.” The Tablet added, “He has done Alpha not once but three times, graduating from a humble student to a helper who pours coffee.”
LoL!
It seems that Mr Aitken continues to talk the sort of sanctimonious b@ll@cks that led to his incarceration.
Ostrich (occasionally)
February 26th, 2014 – 23:22
I’m truly saddened if you are correct.
Noa
Beats cutting folks heads off
Not only do we not get tooth for tooth but some worm called Abbas Lakha QC said the sentence on Adebowale was inhuman.
Apparently they believed the killing was the command of God!
telemachus @22:15
“Many girls see Islam as an escape…”
Yeah, right, Tele. Judging from the many convictions up and down our land it’s an escape into the hands of muslim grooming gangs, gang rape, drugs and prostitution.
Noa February 27th, 2014 – 00:55
Mr. Aitken must possess a robust constitution. Just one glass of the Brompton Mixture finishes most people off. As a regular he must surely qualify for a free Toblerone!
Noa, February 27th, 2014 – 00:55
“It seems that Mr Aitken continues to talk the sort of sanctimonious b@ll@cks that led to his incarceration.”
No, it was lying under oath whilst brandishing “the sword of truth” that led to Mr. Aitken’s incarceration Shirley?
If merely talking “sanctimonious b@ll@cks” was a crime then Tele, along most of the Westminster bubble, would be “banged up” in every sense of that term. Trouble is, many of them would enjoy it.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1, February 26th, 2014 – 19:47
“I hope every day is a day of torture and torment for those two evil creatures.”
In reality, they will be segregated and featherbedded. Their time will be spent in the exclusive company of their jihadi “brothers.”
Frank P, February 26th, 2014 – 21:13
I agree. As soon as the bastard ran at, and then opened fire on the cops they should have twatted the c*nt.
BUT…. despite all the justification , and it all being filmed, can you imagine the months of whinnying and handwringing that would have ensued from the usual suspects – aka dhimmis?
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 February 26th, 2014 – 22:43
“I tuned in to “Mrs Brown” on BBC 1, and literally nearly chocked laughing so much. Rude, vulgar, bad language, everything ‘shocking’ and the most brilliant acting and mime I have ever seen on the BBC.”
Always superb and the only program that I will willingly watch a repeat of.
Did you also watch ‘Outnumbered’? different but superbly written, the interview between the 11 year old daughter and her headmistress was pure genious.
I can’t enjoy Outnumbered, though some of the situations are amusing. It is leftist and liberal through and through. The older boy has a parent who is a porn actor and has grown up with a distorted morality as far as the interviews with him I have read indicate. Indeed how is it that children are taken from a UKIP voter but left with a family who live the life of hard-core porn stars?
Anne WK/David Ossitt
If you haven’t seen any of the comedies in the series “Inside No 9” then you are missing something which is very darkly funny indeed.
You can see last night’s episode on BBC Catch Up. I would be interested to read your views.
EC-8.12
Tee hee!
You have a point! I suppose the reason why there are so few crooked politicians in gaol nowadays is because the cells are needed for the incarceration of robbers, murderers and terrorists.
Oh hang on a minute…
Noa @10:07
I agree.
Episode 2, “A Quiet Night In” was a masterpiece of silent comedy.
David Ossitt
February 27th, 2014 – 09:25
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 February 26th,
I do not usually watch “Outnumbered” as it too closely resembles the Establishment, but last night it had a certain dark humour.
INoa
February 27th, 2014 – 10:07
Anne WK/David Ossitt
If you haven’t seen any of the comedies in the series “Inside No 9″ then you are missing something which is very darkly funny indeed.
You can see last night’s episode on BBC Catch Up. I would be interested to read your views.
Will watch it later today and report back!
Malfleur
February 26th, 2014 – 21:28
The news from Crimea – and especially reading that Muslims there are showing considerable support for the Ukrainian uprising – is, to my mind, very significant.
I forecast that some time this year, Russian forces are going to be used to take over both Crimea and the Russian populated eastern Ukraine.
The result will be a great deal more desirable than the politically correct stupidity of the western intervention that handed Kosovo over to Islam.
I see that Rebekah Brooks “didn’t know” that phone hacking was illegal.
If a person denies knowing something, presumably it cannot be proved that in actual fact, they did.
AWK. Mrs Brown is good. But best when you know half the cast are Brendans family, and so much of it is set up to wrong foot them. You just have to watch them corpse all the time to know Brendan has ad-libbed. Cathy seems to get the worst of it but she is Brendans missus! Sometimes obviously pre-planned. And the camera men are not immune from his piss take either.
Outnumbered. Never mind about the actors, the scenarios are so true to life that its funny. Andy Hamilton writes a mean script.
Just adding another log to the smoldering fire:
The Harriet Harman ‘paedophilia’ scandal is a disaster of Labour’s own making
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100261439/the-harriet-harman-paedophilia-scandal-is-a-disaster-of-labours-own-making/
Just adding another log to the smoldering fire:
The Harriet Harman ‘paedophilia’ scandal is a disaster of Labour’s own making
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100261439/the-harriet-harman-paedophilia-scandal-is-a-disaster-of-labours-own-making/
Some UKIP voices, from the Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10660219/Why-do-you-support-Ukip-Party-supporters-reveal-their-views.html
Outnumbered is just leftist liberal propaganda. It is what has destroyed our society.
Alexsandr
February 27th, 2014 – 14:33
Yes, truly a wonderful family. I understand that the lovely Chrissy is (or was) ‘Mrs.Brown’s’ real-life wife and that Winnie is a younger sister. Ever present, despite the marvellous vulgarity, there is true family love and values. Pathos too, in the best comic tradition. The miming is glorious – I love i!
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 February 27th, 2014 – 16:12
The young man in the baseball cap is his son.
Noa
February 27th, 2014 – 10:07
For some odd reason, and no, I wasn’t trying to be too clever by half, I thought of Vehicle and Tenor from my Literary Criticism days. Sadly, the vehicle was superior to the tenor, and I didn’t enjoy it due to the theme. However, I will watch it next week with fresh eyes.
Lesley C. 27th, – 13:58
“I see that Rebekah Brooks “didn’t know” that phone hacking was illegal.”
If she’s trying to use this in her defence, them I must presume that the old adage, “Ignorance of the law is no excuse.” has itself been binned?
We have watched all of the No9 so far I am a huge fan of the two principle writer/actors however they sometimes give my beloved the heebie-jeebies, she finds them on occasion a bit too much.
But I have loved all of their work who can forget ‘The League Of Gentlemen’ set in the fictional ‘Royston Vasey’ who’s signpost read ‘You will never leave’?
David Ossitt
February 27th, 2014 – 16:30
David, they are brilliant! But why or why, has the BBC not given us Mrs Brown in proper sequence? It’s always hit and miss whether the episode being shown is a repeat or not.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 February 27th, 2014 – 16:51
I think that you are correct about the repeats but I do think that we watched series I,2 and was it three in proper sequence when first shown.
I think the man (Mrs brown) is a genius, he as far as I know does all or most of the writing, the crew and the rest of the cast are all on tenterhooks not knowing where or when the next add lib is coming.
David Ossitt@February 27th, 2014 – 16:39
I assume you have been to Hadfield, near Glossop? Royston vasey is a caricature on Hadfield, I think!
Nice to see Tim Collins expressing the issue clearly, as ever.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10662814/Theres-no-justice-for-those-who-fought-the-IRA.html
His old school motto, “Quaerere Verum” obviously guides him well!
Alexander Boot makes a simple but profound point in his latest post
“It took the abandonment of Christ for mankind to grasp the true meaning of Christian morality. Since we now know that there’s no God, no soul and no afterlife, depriving the vilest of murderers of his earthly existence has become unthinkable: nothing is worse than physical death to modern barbarians.”
It should be read in conjunction with his previous excellent post; arguing that a government which fails to protect its subjects (really the Queens’?) is no longer entitled to their alliegence.
To those of us living in North Dublin, Mrs Brown is reality television.
More grist to the mill of DORD’s Army:
“British spy agency GCHQ intercepted webcam images from millions of Yahoo users around the world”
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26367781
pace Mr. Boot: “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.””
Here is the interview by Alex Boot on the Ukrainian situation…
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/Player.aspx#0#5050
German rackets for sale in parliament.
Herbert Thornton @ – 11:08
Agreed – but who knows what further stupidity the forces which govern NATO are capable of?
A true Englishman and gentleman was buried today. But can someone please tell me where this unpleasant and undignifed habit of clapping the human remains and cortege came from?
http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/applause-for-sir-tom-finney-s-cortege-1-6466639
Noa
February 27th, 2014 – 18:20
A true Englishman and gentleman was buried today. But can someone please tell me where this unpleasant and undignifed habit of clapping the human remains and cortege came from?
From the same source where laying garage shop bunches of flowers and teddy bears on sites where people were slain.
AWK Feb 27 @ 18.28
Teddy bears are entirely appropriate. Frankly, Mr Punch or, worse, Basil Brush being left at the site of a tragedy would be entirely inappropriate and a perversion of grief.
Malfleur@February 27th, 2014 – 18:09
heard about this on the radio. Seems that most of the images were rude. evidently people spend time emailing pictures of their genitals to each other.
I nearly had to stop to laugh!
Melanie Phillips (@MelanieLatest)
“Not only does Cameron believe AGW not scam but major world threat, Miliband wants anyone who dissents banned from government.”
Melanie calls out the scamsters – again
https://www.embooks.com/blog/single/nonsense-on-stilts-the-new-political-compulsion
Noa
Re Clapping Tom Finney.
An Italian custom?
Remember the Italian Spy killed in Iraq:
“It’s not really common (you wouldn’t find people applauding at the funeral of a relative or friend) but sometime we use applause as an expression of admiration this is more common when the person isn’t a family member but a respected notorious individual.
Calipari was highly appreciated because
1. he was a State servant (very underpaid in italy)
3. he died on his job to save a life (no amount of money can pay that obviously)
so he attracred a lot of sympathy expecially because both the right and the left parties commended his dedication and sacrifice and he received a lot of media attention…kind of firefighter/policeman in 9/11.
Therefore applause was a device to express admiration in the most understandable way that’s not glamorous and incompatible with a funeral.
posted by elpapacito at 4:03 AM on May 21, 2005”
Alexsandr February 27th, 2014 – 17:02
“I assume you have been to Hadfield, near Glossop? Royston Vasey is a caricature on Hadfield, I think!”
You are correct a few years back when I edited the monthly newsletter for the Woodturning Group where I was then the secretary we booked a professional demonstrator who lived at Hadfield.
He never turned up claiming to have got lost on the way, I reported in the Newsletter that he had been caught by the curse of Royston Vasey being ‘you will never leave’.
Austin Barry February 27th, 2014 – 18:06
“To those of us living in North Dublin, Mrs Brown is reality television.”
The last time I was in Dublin driving a hire car, a young boy assured me; as we parked near to a cinema that £5 would make sure my vehicle would not have slashed tyres when we returned.
I paid the £5.
David Ossitt
“…we booked a professional demonstrator who lived at Hadfield.”
I’m relieved you clarified that he was due to give a presentation to the woodturners, for a nasty moment there I thought you were the Chairman of the local UAF branch, plotting the workers revolution!
Welcome back Austin Barry.
EC (19:07)
As always Melanie strikes with unerring accuracy, brevity and wit.
What can be done to bring this scam to the boil? A private prosecution a la
Raymond Blackburn – remember him? Wish I was still under warrant. I’d make somebody pay attention to the biggest scam – and example of official corruption scandal – ever! Now it would need a truckload of cojones to be dumped on the forecourt of NSY, with instructions in ten languages on how to attach them for four different sexes (and still counting) to even start an investigation.
Frank P @ 20.39
Thanks for the welcome back.
Strangely enough, apropos of your excellent piece on vertigo, I found myself a week ago, a plummeting pensioner, skydiving in Wanaka, New Zealand. It seemed an agreeably bonkers thing to do at the time, although I would urge vacationing Brits to skip the full fry breakfast if they have an early morning jump time. I’m uncertain whether skydiving at our age implies enormous cojones or galloping senescence.
New Zealand, the South Island particularly, involves zero culture shock as it seems, culturally at least, like England c. 1959. The natives have only one vowel, an ‘i’; we were advised by Hertz to go left at the ‘Chicken Counter’ at Christchurch Airport and I honestly thought they meant the KFC branch in the departure lounge.
On a dismal domestic note, surely “a perversion of Islam” is right up there with “Religion of Peace” as the misnomer of our times.
Austin Barry (21:30)
Gawd Above! Jumping out of kites is no way to keep drawing your pension! Even the thought of it does gbh to my nether regions. To actually perform such a feat would cause my epididymae to retract like released mousetrap springs and project my nuts right through my eardrums (hearing aids notwithstanding). As for the Maori “chicken counter” pun:
Best of the millennium – so far. Not only back – but on top form.
Your serious points in the last paragraph: spot on too. Alex Boot’s last post should be circulated to every bewigged arbiter in the nation. Would it make any difference? I doubt it. Boot explains why.
Austin Barry, February 27th, 2014 – 21:30
“Chicken Counter” 🙂
It seems that the “progessives” have propelled NZ’s education system into England of the 1970’s / 80’s. Check out “Seven Periods With Mr. Gormsby.” This is a well observed, wickedly funny, satire on the descent of their school system into anarchy. Worthy of your attention, you’ll love the irony.
Can anybody be really surprised that MI5 was keeping a close watch on the Redgrave family?
http://news.sky.com/story/1218670/sir-michael-redgraves-mi5-file-revealed
Stand by for a deluge of bleating, indignant self-righteous Luvvies.
B*ggerit! Missed the Northern Lights last night. Anybody else catch ’em? From the photos I’ve seen on this morning’s Facebook’ they were good.
EC (08:29)
“Can anybody be really surprised that MI5 was keeping a close watch on the Redgrave family?”
Well, they shouldn’t be, but you’re right – it will bring the Luvvies out of the woodwork in droves. Should be some grist for the Wallsters, when they start to whinge about the ‘importance of art and its role in breaking down national barriers and prejudices’ and what wonderful ambassadors the Redgraves, et all have been.”
But Richard Ferguson, in a wonderfully provocative article for Standpoint today, brings the fears about Communism, with its new mask, into the Metrollups of today. Should please some of the Wallsters from oop Noa-rth:
http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/5457/full
Sky News (@SkyNews)
“Hewitt ‘Supported Reducing The Age Of Consent”
http://news.sky.com/story/1218818/hewitt-supported-reducing-the-age-of-consent
On QT last night it was all a “political smear” conspiracy by DM’s, of course!
WHY didn’t ANY of the panel mention Peter Tatchell’s support for the lowering of the age of consent, and in particular his 1997 letter to the Guardian, I wonder. Surely he should be asked to account for this …..
http://www.christian.org.uk/news/tatchell-reiterates-call-for-lower-age-of-consent/
Ostrich (09:34)
Yes, I did. Thought it was lightning in the north-east, but the skies were clear in this neck of the woods – then noted the hues and wondered whether that’s what we were experiencing. Has it been confirmed? Haven’t seen the news this a.m. yet?
EC
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5475224/labour-chief-patricia-hewitt-sorry-for-backing-paedo-plan.html
I was amused by Sky News’ Press preview last night; one of the participants was Stig Abel, the Managing Editor of the Currant Bun whose naivety was astounding, considering his current role. “What the hell was going on in the Seventies?” he bleated; which highlighted the fact that most of the generation who now control our press are too young to remember the ‘swinging’ Sixties and Seventies – and because most of their predecessors have all been in the thrall of the Long March, have been ill-informed about why and how the Sexual Offences Act was put under such virulent attack; why the sodomy lobby gained so much clout during that era and has capitalised ever since. And still none of the tabloids have put it into the context of just how many Labour officials have been nicked and convicted for sexual offences (never mind others who were shielded from prosecution). See the Labour 25 list – again worth linking.
The defence of “!The lurid Daily Mail getting its own back” is surely now wearing a bit thin, ennit? And even if that were true – the facts are the facts, regardless of the motive for reminding us of them. And then of course, there the Liberal Party and its transmogrifications…..
http://labour25.com/labour25/
Concerning child sex offenders, Wallsters will know that I hold no ideological brief for Labour, its politicians or witless supporters. And I consider the Conservative and Liberal Democrats to be as malign and corrupt.
Whilst attention may currently focus on the Harmans and Hewitt, it is sensible not to forget that sexual predators are not confined to the Left. And to my knowledge no serious research has ever been conducted showing a propensity to perversion is more likely because one follows the principles of Marx rather than Burke or Paine.
Ultimately the political aspect of the issue concerns criminal sexual behaviour and corruption whilst holding public office regardless of party.
http://www.no2abuse.com/index.php/blogs/comments/mps-is-any-child-safe-check-this-list-out
best to remeber that act perer
Appears that the wonderful “Daily Mail” has its own calendar. I always believed winter ended on the 20th March and spring commenced on the 21st March. However today. I saw this:
This winter has been the wettest in at least 248 years, and the fifth warmest since 1910. So perhaps it will surprise few that it will finish with snow and sleet.
This morning – the last day of winter in the forecasters’ calendar – snow and sleet is sweeping across Wales, southern England and parts of the Midlands.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2569174/EIGHT-INCHES-snow-hit-Britain-tomorrow-Flurries-expected-country-day-winter-wettest-250-years.html#ixzz2ucSzwdev
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I EAT MY WORDS! 🙁
Forecasters: Winter season could be among top 3 coldest – Chicago …
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/…/forecasters-winter-season-could-be-among-t…
2 days ago – But the frigid end to the week will likely push the average … Forecasters define meteorological winter as December through February, and use .
Noa (10:47)
As I’ve said in earlier comments, actual perversion pervades the political class, regardless of stripe. That’s agreed. But when leading members of a political party contrived to undermine sexual mores generally in order to undermine the whole Judeo-Christian culture and replace it with the socialist Utopia, then it was was obeying Saul Alinki’s Rules for Revolutionaries and Alinski took his directions from the Gramsci’s notes in prison. But the MSM don’t want to go there, as it gets too close to home. Few understood what was actually happening when the obscenity laws were attacked, from the Wolfenden Inquiry onwards. The propaganda was funded both by the sino-soviet bloc for political purposes and by the Mafia backed pornography industry for the purposes of greed and venality: all of which were rife throughout that period, but as you say, by no means confined to the Labour Party. And ‘libertarians’ (aka useful idiots of a different persuasion) cheered the whole process on for their own hedonistic motives. Thus the infrastructure of our culture, already under attack in many other ways, crumbled and we are where we are today: sodomy and sleaze throughout Parliament and the only church with a sizeable congregation disgraced because of the sins against children by its priesthood. Now they have a Pope who shows all the signs of being an old fashioned Marxist. Ye Gods! (Literally).
The Naughty niece provides, as ever, light relief ‘mongst all his grim news, with some bucolic banter :
A farmer drove to a neighbours house and knocked at the door. A boy about 9
answered.
“Is your Dad at home” ?
“No ”
“How about your brother”
“No”
The farmer stood for a while, shifting from one foot to another and mumbling
to himself. Finally the boy interrupted. “I know where all the tools are, do
you want to borrow some, or I can give Dad your message when he returns”.
“Well”, said the farmer “I really want to speak to your father about your
brother Howard getting my daughter pregnant”
“Oh” said the boy, “I think you must talk about that with my Dad. I do
know that he charges £150.00, for the bull and £50.00 for the pig; £40,000 for the Shire Stallion, but I really don’t know what he’d charge for the stud services of my brother Howard.
Mark Steyn weighs in (albeit a little tardily: he is a busy boy – but Boot beat him to it) on the stupid pre-sentencing remark by Justice Sweeney about ‘betraying Islam’, in the final stages of the trial of Drummer Lee Rigby’s assassins.:
http://www.steynonline.com/6129/any-way-you-slice-it
extract:
“I wouldn’t wish to extend my differences with the US judiciary to the judges of the Old Bailey, but I’m inclined to think Messrs Adebolajo and Adebowale have the better of Mr Justice Sweeney on this specific point. Is he really such an expert in Islam that he can expound with confidence on theological betrayal? And, whatever the broader picture, isn’t it the case in this particular instance that, rather than converting to Islam and becoming “radicalized” and “extremist”, the pair converted to Islam precisely in order to become “radicalized” and “extremist”?
Why does m’lud feel the need to dissemble from the bench? You can smell, as these two blood-soaked goons did, fear and cowardice in these evasions.”
Exactly: but please read it all.
Frank P at 13-28.
As mentioned here before;all magistrates and Judges are required to take a brain-washing course on Racism, Sexism and Homophobia.If any of them stray they are suspended and have to take a re-education course.
Peter from M. noted he knew people who had declined to become J.P.s on this basis.
This destroys the independence of the Judiciary.
A hundred odd years ago,in the real age of `upstairs,downstairs`,a Judge had told a jury they should consider what `the man going home on top of the Clapham omnibus`would thing about the issue;not even `inside`but `on top`.This might be someone like `Mr.Pouter` or the clerks written of by HG Wells or J.K.Jerome:not the contemporary D.Cameron or V.Redgrave.
Frank P 12:47
We are in what is described as ‘violent agreement’!
“Peter from M. noted he knew people who had declined to become J.P.s on this basis.”
I also declined to become a magistrate for the same reason. I do not wish to become, involuntarily, a part of a justice system which no longer supports the principles of justice, equality before the law and indeed the rule of law itself, and has been suborned for malign political purposes.
The mid-Trent Valley completely over-caste:so no Northern Lights.
On another track:nothing too wrong with the late Lynn Redgrave.
Before I was blocked for having used the maximum free hits at the D.T. I caught the heading in her obituary that she was the one who was “normal….the one without the bi-sexual husband,revolutionar politics or indeed brilliant career”.
Michael Redgrave kept his opinions and sexual life private in his life-time:and appeared in many worthy parts,playing Barnes Wallis in the Dam Busters,sitting looking concerned in the ops. room—along with `Bomber`Harris— until the code word came in :”Nigger”;indicating the Mohner dam had gone.
Nigger?
Nigger!
Nigger!!?
Racist!!!
Don’t you call my dog a racist, you B***k B*****d!
“As mentioned here before;all magistrates and Judges are required to take a brain-washing course on Racism, Sexism and Homophobia.”
Most council and civil service employees are compelled to take a day off from their arduous labours in order to undergo similar training. These courses seem a pointless waste of time and money since they are often referred to, in code, as “3 Ws” days. (i.e. Wimmin, Wogs, & Wooftas)
Noa and EC.
Priceless, the pair of you.
EC at 15-42.
“Nice one Cyril;nice one chum.
Nice one Cyril;nice one son!”
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 February 28th, 2014 – 12:34
“Appears that the wonderful “Daily Mail” has its own calendar. I always believed winter ended on the 20th March and spring commenced on the 21st March. However today. I saw this:”
It is not the ‘Mail’ Anne it is the met office, our local news weather-man explained it a few months ago, the think it is neater to have March/April/May g for spring etcetera.
I still think 21st Dec 21st March 21st June 21st September for the start of the seasons but then the Gramsci bastards want to change everything so that we feel we are foreigners in our own country.
David Ossitt
February 28th, 2014 – 16:33
Sometimes I feel like Alice NOT in Wonderland!
AWK
As to winter weather – It will be minus 50C with the windchill here in Alberta tonight. That will be the coldest I have ever experienced. I’ve done minus 40. When it does this, I always wonder what happens to the birds, will they make it ? But then, lo and behold, they reappear as soon as it warms up to around minus 15 or so. It’s miraculous.
postergirl
February 28th, 2014 – 18:19
Nice to hear from you. Tell me, do they do global warming over there in Alberta? 🙂
postergirl @ 18:19
Never mind the birds, postergirl, you wrap up well, stoke the fire, get a glass of something warming still like whisky.
Noa @ 14:28
A wise decision, Noa, you should be proud of it.
Not that you follow what the paper ever says, and Baron would be the last one to blame you for it, but this piece ain’t half bad.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/ukraine-genuine-revolution-tackle-corruption
This headline appears on the BBC web:
“Triple killer Joanne Dennehy is handed a whole-life sentence by a judge, who said she was “cruel, calculating and manipulative”. Frankly, knowing how the judicial behave, and how many sick people work within the police and prison services, I think it is highly possible that this wicked woman will manipulate her jailers and have a ball of a time. Remember Myra Hindley? She not only had Lord Longford (uncle of Harriet Harman) in her thrall, but had lesbian relationships with prisoners and female guards. This is ‘normal’ in the criminal world, the more evil the criminal, the more they control the medium into which they are sent, and the so-called jailers and the Establishment become mere satellites revolving around them at their beck and call.
Frank P @ 13:28
Would it shock you, Frank, if Baron said he sort of sympathises with the learned man. First, he must keep peace, second, he’s right in a sense that the vast majority of Muslims are indeed peaceful.
Look, imagine what would be the outcome if those in charge declared Islam the religion of violence, and hence banned it. What then? A forced conversion of all Muslims to what? Christianity? Secularism? If some or the majority didn’t want to abandon the religion of their fathers, what then? A forced repatriation? Would this country ever kick out a large phylum of people for religious reasons? Would the unwashed agree to it?
Baron has not much time for the followers of Allah, but given that in the past they lived with us in peace, fought with us in the two world wars, got decorated, often killed on our behalf other Muslims who displeased us, should we not try and find some accommodation with them? If for pragmatic reasons only. They are unlikely to vanish, we might as well.
And so the sentence for the two thugs? Baron has always favoured the rope, still holds to that view. The sentences may sound as justice done, and they do, but nobody reckons with the the uman rite crowd who may well engineer a reprieve. Baron’s as certain as it gets they will, the two will be out paraded as an example of the ‘power’ of the contemporary perverted criminal justice system.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 19:49
The murderous woman felt somewhat loopy to Baron, not fully in command of herself, but if the medical verdict were to say she’s OK, then perhaps eliminating her genes from the pool would be the best way of punishing her. Just in case she behaves as you say, Anne.
AWK @ 18.19
Oh yes, the great global warming scam is alive and well in Alberta. They have spent millions ‘ burying ‘ CO2 in the ground, windfarms disfigure the landscape and make mincemeat out of birds and bats, and of course the evil ‘ tar sands ‘ of northern Alberta are the target of much hatred by Big Green. One of them even compared it to the Holocaust.
Baron @ 18.19
Thank you for your sensible suggestion !
I drawn the attention of fellow Wallsters to the free quality publications downloadable from both Civitas and the IEA. The latter have sent me a useful link and I repost it here for those who may be interested.
http://www.iea.org.uk/publications/research
postergirl
February 28th, 2014 – 20:44
I despair! Here, badgers are killed in a barbaric fashion because the powers that be are too ignorant and mean to advocate vaccinate the herds of cattle against TB. Windfarms destroy birds, and ‘science’ tortures innocent mammals in the name of research.
We spend much time considering the two major socialist political objectives of ‘Climate Change’ and ‘Immigration’. Having given this matter some thought I have concluded that the former is simply a canard, an excuse for taxation and repression, whilst the latter, which is very real indeed, is similarly an excuse for tax and totalitarianism.
With one difference. It is time we stopped referring to immigration and started calling this spade what it really is; Population Change.
By doing so we at once obviate the standard accusation of ‘racism’, take the initiative and debate about the issues arising from mass immigration away from the left by immediately alerting people to the real and present threat they and their future descendants face.
Any thoughts or better suggestions?
Baron (19:58)
Appeasement is what you are suggesting. Appeasement of a global movement which potentially poses an existential threat to our culture; our civilization.
The Judge’s job was to weigh off two assassins of a rampant, rapacious and bellicose cult, with ‘appropriate’ punishment for their heinous crime, not to pronounce Islam as a ‘peaceful religion’ and punish them for ‘betraying their religion’. His job is not ‘keeping the peace’ – that’s Old Bill’s task. In fact he disturbed the peace of No. 2 Court of the Old Bailey by saying something eminently stupid which caused a serious breach of the peace.
And appeasement also led to the armed response unit to shrink from its duty: to shoot to kill when there is a threat to innocent life or in self defense.
There is only one ‘accommodation’ that is acceptable to the Mullahs, the Muslim Bros and the Jihad: SUBMISSION! That means Dhimmitude for us. That also means Sharia Law. I
I’l have a better idea which involves ‘accommodation’. A message to all Muslims. Eschew your barbarous cult; stop murdering and threatening our citizens or FUCK OFF – back to your deserts. And if you perpetrate any further atrocities against peaceful Christians, Jews, or other ‘infidels’ our air forces will punish you – and your ‘religion’, very heavily, but from 35OOO feet, by any means necessary. How’s that for ‘accommodation’, M’Lord? 🙂
You do not shock me Baron. I am now well past being shocked by daft suggestions, but you – and the Sweeney fella – sadden me. Because you both display a craven tendency that will lead ultimately to surrender of a civilization that evolved to great achievement at it’s peak, to a barbarism that has spawned nothing but murder and mayhem.
Noa.
Great slogan for UKIP:
POPULATION CHANGE PRESENTS A GREATER DANGER THAN THE MYTH OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
Good thinking, soldier.
Obama has just declared war on Russia. To be resolved mano a mano – Obama v Putin – feather dusters at dawn.
Who’s shittin’ who in this Ukraine spat?
Baron
February 28th, 2014 – 19:58
There is no need to attempt to ban the Religion of Peace, which will only drive it’s adherents to further levels of apoplexy and the commitment to greater outrages.
Rather, introduce new laws and use existing laws to make it’s practice more difficult. Such as, removing it’s legal status as a religion and hence any associated charitable standings, thus making it liable to tax. And introduce a swingeing tax on all halal foods. Introduce an additional property tax on mosques, to cover the additional Policing costs Islam burdens society with – call it the Peace Tax.
Outlaw the Koran as a piece of hate speech unless it is rewritten to remove all violent passages. Punish it’s possession in exactly the same manner as the Saudis punish possession of a Bible.
As Insurance is haram to Muslims, forbid them from holding driving licences. It goes without saying that all sharia-compliant finance be made unlawful.
And, in all cases where they break the law, as an alternative to the prescribed punishment, they may surrender their UK citizenship and passport and leave the UK, with their extended family, for any Muslim hell-hole that will accommodate them.
I’m sure there are numerous ways there miserable lives could be made even worse on a day-to-day basis with a little flair and originality (and some balls by our Politicians).
Frank P
February 28th, 2014 – 21:54
Good! More than good. Sanity and logic. Bless you, Frank.
Frank P @ 21:54
Powerful stuff, Frank, truly powerful, and as befits your talent, superbly well put. Baron will try to behave in the future, cross his heart….
Clear Memories @ 22:34
OK, Baron has taken in all your suggestions, so now tell the barbarian, what’s the chance of any of them being ever enacted in law? On a scale 1 to 10 with 1 being extremely negligible, Baron reckons zero would be about right. Is he wrong?
Baron
February 28th, 2014 – 23:10
Forgive me butting in, but Baron you are right. What can you expect from those lawmakers with their bums in the air?
Pat and Hat’s legacy marches onwards!
$ http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/education/article4019979.ece
Pupils asked to take part in gay role play in class
“Pupils should act out scenes involving gay characters and discuss pornography in class, new sex education guidance for schools says.
Teachers were urged by one of the authors not to try to stop teenagers from looking at pornography and instead to understand that it showed a distorted view of sex.
It is the first time for 14 years that advice on sex education has been updated.”
To understand what the “West” is up to in the Ukraine, one might do worse than re-read Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins published ten years ago.
“Who’s shittin’ who in this Ukraine spat?”
Putin can do pretty much what he likes and who is going to stop him?
Plenty of Winter left and Vlad can turn off the Gas taps any time he likes.
Baron – it’s highly likely that you’re right, but that doesn’t mean we have to roll over and give up. I assume (rightly or wrongly) that, by now, this site will be being monitored by those who think they know best. In addition, anyone can copy thoughts to MPs and, even though I’ve long left, the boy David and his cohorts write to me often and earnestly, seeking my thoughts (and money) as an ex-member. I never fail to reply.
Yet still the daft twats write!
And perhaps just to add to your blood pressure, I still retain the right to a vote.
EC (00:46)
Yes and that will result in just more flatulance from Washington – perhaps they can bottle it and create a new bio fuel, but it’s doubtful, everything else about Obummer is inert. Three more years of this, then eight years of Hillary. What a scenario! At least her gas will be scented, I guess. Probably more combustible, too.
RobertC (23:43)
Relentless! A new quango will needed led by Jacqui Gold and Karen Brady CBE to to organise the supply of the ‘educational’ material from David Sullivan’s warehouses. Trade must be falling off these days with all this amateur free stuff on the intertubes?
Combating Intolerance with Tolerence: There are a number of euphemisms for this amongst which “fighting a losing battle” is probably the politest.
Si vis pacem, para bellum!
“Hamas: Teaching Human Rights is Against Palestinian, Islamic Culture”
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4192/human-rights-palestinian-islamic-culture
h/t Pat Condell
Frank P @08:57
Yes, enough flatulence to rival Gazprom! The Obama administration is presently bankrupt, both fiscally and morally. As Malfleur has been highlighting recently, it is waging war on the American people, circumventing the Constitution whilst trying to establish a para-military police state.
I hear the 2016 election is going to be overseen by a team observers from Zimbabwe.
Frank P 28th, – 22:19
“Obama has just declared war on Russia. To be resolved mano a mano – Obama v Putin – feather dusters at dawn.”
And, as with dodgy boxers, Putin will have a horseshoe stashed in his! 🙂
Did anybody catch Niall Ferguson on the box last night? What did you think? Does he really believe the crap that he’s spouting, or is he playing Devil’s Advocate? From the moment, right at the start, that he attached that pugnacious lip-set to his face, and started producing dodgy statistics and bar charts I think he was looking for a scrap…fortunately the historians from whom he invited opinions answered him with measured, sensible arguments.
Oh, and, Niall, 20/20 hindsight never works.
Gerard Vanderleun puts it even more succinctly:
“So let me get this straight. The “penalty” for Russia if it keeps its hold on the Ukraine is that it doesn’t get to waste precious summer days in June in the presence of this cowardly little narcissist and his entourage of fluffers and fellators? Well, yes, that would certainly make any leader of Russia give up the security of his fleet’s access to the Crimea, the Black Sea, and from there into the Mediterranean. Let’s not forget that Russia lost the Crimean War in the middle of the 19th Century [not that long ago in the Russian mind] which took about half a million lives on all sides. In that war, most of the fighting took place for control of the Black Sea, with land battles on the Crimean peninsula in southern Russia. Deja vu all over again? Why not? That’s the history of Russia writ large.”
But read it all – including some acerbic comments from the usual suspects:
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/5minute_arguments/oh_yeah_you_and_what_army.php
Has their been any formal statement yet by our Prime Minister explaining why it is in our national interest to support our senior ally in its participation in the overthrow this past week of a freely elected government by openly Nazi elements in the Ukraine?
Or is this just a Conservative and Liberal Party thing?
One of the comments in question:
“Political conflicts are merely surface manifestations. If conflicts arise you may be sure that certain powers intend to keep the conflicts under operation since they hope to profit from the situation. To concern yourself with surface political conflicts is to make the mistake of the bull in the ring, you are charging the cloth. That is what politics is for, to teach you the cloth. Just as the bullfighter teaches the bull, teaches him to follow, obey the cloth.
W. S. Burroughs
Posted by: chasmatic at February 28, 2014 7:59 PM”
Indeed, what’s really going on??
Ra Ra Vlad Putin
Not lover of Russian `queens`
Ra Ra Vlad Putin
Russia’s greatest love machine
(For anything more,you’ll have to write your own.)
For the original: http://www.lyricsdept.com/boney-m/rasputin.html
Ups!
http://www.lyricsdepot.com/boney-m/rasputin.html
Meanwhile … perhaps we should keep an eye on what’s going on a bit closer to home – Birmingham for instance:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/03/taqiyya_and_the_british_courts.html
Things are getting taqiyya and taqiyya.
Ostrich (occasionally) @09:46
Re: Dodgy boxers & iron hoofs etc.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/now-may-not-be-the-best-time-to-call-putin-gay-2014022784095
UKRAINE.
“Great and terrible was the year of Our Lord 1918.”
For a grasp of things in the Ukraine today try seeking out “The White Guard”by Mikhail Bulgakov (1925).
“Kiev.The Ukraine.1918.
The Germans have occupied the city,Petlyura’s(National) Socialists are camped outside awaiting their moment,while the Bolsheviks watch……”
It is the story of–well it is the story of Kiev–but features the Turbins;a Czarist army family.The theatrical version,`The Days of the Turbines`,became Stalin’s favourite play,for some reason.
I was surprized by the reference of the train from Moscow crossing the Dneiper to Kiev in a *Westerly*direction.The Ukraine is surprizingly westward (much of it).
After its independence from the USSR,it was somewhat disturbing to see Ukraine adopting the Blue and Yellow flag of Petlyura’s proto-fascist,ant-semitic movement.
“Great was the year and terrible the year of Our Lord 1918,but the year 1919 was even more terrible.”
An amusing earfull:
https://soundcloud.com/am980/mark-steyn-on-the-andrew
And here’s more ear-food:
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/the-fall-of-american-power/3272423908001
I am not sure if your muslim is still putting women in holes and stoning them, but they have other tricks up their sleeve (so to speak): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570535/Syrian-extremists-cut-mans-hand-punishment-stealing-post-pictures-Twitter.html
I think we should import more of them, for diversity of course – no, Mr. Cameron?
It is a pleasure, this Saturday morning, to read all the sarcasm and humour applied to the followers of the religion of pieces and it its unstable followers. They should be given their own territories to ive in so they don’t bother the sane, intelligent people who built Western civilisation. We could call these incareration places names like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Libya, Tunisa, Yemen etc., to warn sane people away from dealing with them or entering their territories.
Frank P
February 28th, 2014 – 21:54
Thanks for your reply to Baron in your typical ‘they shall not pass’ mode. And I thought Baron was a slav.
Alexandr, Colonel Mustard (Nicholas as we remember him) was not forced off the Speccie by telemachus. For all his accurate, eloquent and considered posts, he had a flaw – if anybody had the temerity to challenge him he eventually took his ball and went home, brooking no dissent.
Regarding Telemachus, do what Frank P. and the rest here do, take him on and expose the stupidity of his arguments or, if you prefer, just scroll past.
On a lighter note, I don’t have a NN. However:
A man received the following text from his neighbour:
I am so sorry Bob. I’ve been riddled with guilt and I have to confess. I have been tapping your wife, day and night when you’re not around. In fact, more than you. I’m not getting any at home, but that’s no excuse. I can no longer live with the guilt and I hope you will accept my sincerest apology with my promise that it won’t happen again.
The man, anguished and betrayed, went into his bedroom, grabbed his gun, and without a word, shot his wife and killed her.
A few moments later, a second text came in:
Bloody autocorrect. I meant “wifi”, not “wife”.
Joel Skousen has an interesting view of the events in Ukraine expressed on Alex Jones’ Friday show. He sees the coup as staged by Putin. Russia, presently too weak to take on the USA, seeks time to develop its strength and allow the USA time to disarm further. At a furure date, Russia will be able to take back the former members pf the Soviet Union including the Ukraiine.
Vaut le detour.
Frank P @ 12:25
Baron feels nothing but admiration for the great Mark Steyn, but here he respectfully disagrees with him. Not on whether the messiah’s Republic is losing its grip on power in the world, its superpower status, its ability to police. On this Mark’s right, but that’s nothing new, that’s given. It’s the reading of the Ukrainian boil, and the wider question of the past and present of the communist east that Mark gets wrong.
Post Khrushchev, roughly since the mid-60s, nobody really believed in the idea of communism either in the USSR or in all the countries of the Soviet controlled Gulag. The top layers of the party may have, but only because they had no choice, their belief, whether real or faked, kept them in power.
The mid to lower placed party apparatchiks as well as the masses didn’t, the system kept going only because of its in-built inertia, and also because one couldn’t easily associate with others who had had enough of the experiment unless one were prepared to risk a job, a good education for one’s children, or even liberty.
The compliance with the regime to its spectacular end was ensured by the security services. They were unseen, but everyone knew they, or their ‘reporting eyes’ were everywhere.
However, whether in the USSR or any of its satellites, anyone who had the ability, the desire, the need to do better than work with the shovel had to carry the party card, whether he believed in the creed or not. It was unavoidable, the regime trusted but a handful of truly gifted people without it. And if one had the ambition to control others, to have power over them, one would have joined the security services, the KGB or its affiliated equivalents in the satellite states of the Red Menace’s Empire. In all the countries, these institutions were well funded, the stuff were enjoying excellent salaries, other benefits, the outfits were functioning more efficiently than any other institutions (by the standards of the regime) because their efficacy was the guarantee of the regimes’ survival.
And thus, when communism collapsed there was only one institution that could step in into the vacuum, that of the security services. Those at the top echelons of the party were discredited, disliked at best, hated at worst, the other institutions like the civil service, judiciary, uniform police were not up to it, they had nether an external base of supporters, nor a strong, inner organisational hierarchy, and were staffed mostly with people who were used to act on orders rather than issue them.
The Yeltsin’s interregnum happened only because the KGB wobbled, too. The collapse of the construct was a shock to it, but the near anarchy, the emergence of mafia like powerful clans, the sporadic looting by the mob presented an ideal opportunity for someone to impose law and order, and the KGB filled that role.
Why it was Putin and not someone else from the ranks of the KGB Baron has no idea.
For Mark to say that the West can do anything about is is naive. In the transitional phase, nobody could and still can do much about it. The old boy’s KGB centred network has the connections, the know-how, the means to stay in power. Nothing much would change if Putin were to go, Navalny or someone else either from the KGB ranks, or a KGB implant stepped in.
Many in the West see communism as a system that can do little more than produce bad cars, crumbling infrastructure, depilated housing stock and stuff like that. This of course it true, but it’s all reversible, and reversible quickly, just visit Moscow. The far worse legacy of communism is what it did to the character of man, and this cannot be corrected in a hurry. “He who doesn’t steal impoverishes one’s family’ was what people not whispered under communism but openly boated about in public. And steal they did, all of them, from the top communist thugs to the lowest level of the society. It pains Baron to say it, but they still do, and it wil take generations for the bad habits to change.
If it’s not Putin, Yanukovych it will be someone else. For Mark to say that the West can do anything about it, have a Full Monty of democracy in the region now is naive. Only time, a slow, gradual improvement in the governance, better laws, and above all an education system that will teach the young to tell the truth, to be trustful, open, unselfish will do it.
Sorry about the lengthy rant, and the repeat of a part of it. It won’t happen again, promise.
Interesting essay Baron; but are you sure that Steyn would disagree with most of what you aver. Ergo, the whiff of straw pervades your piece, maybe? And don’t be apologizing for an honest opinion, FFS. You’re more entitled to one than most here, having lived behind the rusty old curtain of yesteryear.
But the WS Burroughs quote by chasmatic above (10:09 today) says it all, imho. We’re probably all (including the whimsical Steyn), goring the cloth. I have a feeling that about ten people globally really manage geopoitical/economic strategy and I’d bet that most of us wouldn’t recognise their names if someone told us who they were.
…. folgen Sie dem Geld!
Tell you what Baron let’s invite suggestions for the names of the movers and shakers behind the scenes; the ones who most ‘leaders’ phone for instructions before they pull political strokes. One suggestion per Wallster?
Malfleur, March 1st, 2014 – 10:01
“Has their(sic) been any formal statement yet by our Prime Minister…”
Rest assured that Daniel Korski, whose acumen in international affairs is unparalleled since Henry Kissinger, is, even now, working on CMD’s next thoughts on the Ukrainian situation.
I can’t find a recent exchange between Baron and Frank P. about the possibility of permanent, peaceful co-existence with Islam. If I remember rightly, Baron seemed to advocate it, but Frank (as do I) didn’t think it possible. It brought to mind Winston Churchill’s very forceful assessment of Islam. I’ve tried to condense it –
“Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but despite this, Islam inspires fanatical frenzy, fatalistic apathy, barbaric treatment of women and non-Muslims, and paralyzes social development. It is the strongest retrograde force in the entire world – and one with which peaceful and permanent co-existence is absolutely impossible.”
Radford NG
After its independence from the USSR,it was somewhat disturbing to see Ukraine adopting the Blue and Yellow flag of Petlyura’s proto-fascist,ant-semitic movement.
This truly is the key to all this.
Ukrainians staffed the special SS squads and provided the camp guards.
They despise the Russian minority on racial grounds.
Putin needs to get in there to protect them.
Frank P @ 17:51
Well judged, Frank, the rant, this is what Baron can do after a tasty lunch (leak soup, a rack of Welsh lamb plus, followed by an unhealthy dollop of salty caramel, all that accompanied by two sizeable glasses of Merlot, a Chilean Merlot for it’s the only one the blue veined barbarian can afford, but Baron’s favorite grape nevertheless). It was St David’s after all.
After it, Baron sat down, googled few sites, all about the new wart of Ukraine, then for reasons he cannot explain, he began hitting the keyboard logged on to Peter’s bog, couldn’t stop until the third glass was empty. He refilled it again, against a serious medical advice, continued typing. The refilling explains the repeat of ‘Mark’s naivety’, and it is what worries Baron. How could he forget he used almost he same phrasing just minutes ago, forgot about it. Arghhh
The barbarian finished, hit the ‘submit’ window, you’re to suffer from ti. Why cannot he check before posting?
Alexandrovich @ 15:43
Baron is a Slav, so what?
Frank P @ 17:55
Quite, but it ain’t easy.
Herbert Thornton @ 20:03
Baron reckons if we do two things the leaders of the followers of Allah will abandon their deram of the world Caliphate, return back to what they like best – racing camels.
We find a substitute for oil, and we regain self-confidence and pride if what our ancestors did and we still do. That’s it.
Baron,
You really must have gone off the rails. Otherwise how can you possibly either prefer Chilean Merlot to Chilean Malbec (much better than the Agentinian version) or imagine that Britain’s Islamic residents are ever going to voluntarily head for the Sahara & race camels – or even go back to Pakistan where so many of them seem to have come from?
Apropos the mealy mouthed tendency in Britain’s Establishment – including the judiciary – to pretend that Islam does not inspire terrorism, I see that even Reuters is so timid that it puts inverted commas round the word terrorist in this news report –
http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCABREA200OQ20140301?sp=true
Herbert Thornton, re Reuters, without the inverted commas, BARF!!!!! And there, swirling down the loo with the other cock-suckers, went Reuters, never to be trusted on a story again.
Herbert Thornton @ 22:07
OK, Herbert, let’s forget the taste differences between us in grape (btw how expensive is the Chilean Malbec, the average price will do) let’s focus on the solution to the Muslim question.
What’s your solution then? But, please, be realistic, come up with something that’s doable. Clear Memories at 22:34 had a range of suggestions, but not one of them seems to be anywhere near getting implemented in the current environment.
Baron – 20:03 – A substitute for oil! Brilliant! And it will be the brilliant West that develops it, not the camel suckers, who will be left in the new Dark Ages before WE IN THE WEST developed oil as a fuel.
We can do it again, folks. Our entire histories are based on our inventive, logical minds and brilliant quick thinking. The Arabs are still eyeing up camels lasciviously and grovelling down to the allah figment.
Herbert Thornton @ 22:07
and another thing:
Baron has specifically said ‘the leaders of..” for it is indeed the elite of the muslim world, the mullahs, who entertain the idea of sharia ruling the world, the followers only follow because they, the elite, tell them too. Half a century ago and before the masses were not getting brainwashed by the mullahs, listened to us, fought with and for us. That’s a fact, keep it in mind, please when you come up with an answer of the solution.
Verity @ 22:42
Quite, we’ve got ourselves out of a shite before, we will do it again, pity alot of resources is being squandered on the wind and solar monstrosities, but when do find something to fuel our cars, planes and the powwer generating gear we will deprive the mullahs of the money they need to peddle their delusional dreams. We’ll be half there.
This, from his site which unfortunately has a pay-wall, is the summary of Joel Skousen’s approach to last week’s coup in the Ukraine:
“UKRAINE’S PHONY COUP—SHADES OF SOVIET PAST
The sudden collapse of the pro-Russian Ukrainian government this week is a too-good-to-be-true win for the protesters. No one in either the mainstream or alternative media is questioning the glaring contradictions about what happened during the supposed “coup” this past weekend. Who gave the orders for all of the riot police to melt away and leave their posts? The almost totally disarmed opposition easily took control of the city and just walked up to the presidential villa. Who gave the orders to the pro-Russian Party of Regions, who wielded the majority in parliament, to suddenly switch their votes to join their political enemies in unanimously ousting President Yanukovych (who, knowing what was coming, had already left)? It certainly wasn’t the opposition. This all smacks of the same staged “collapse of communism” that supposedly toppled multiple soviet-controlled governments that still had fully functioning police, army and security forces.”
telemachus @ 20:48
An epiphany moment for you or what?
Baron reckons Putin may be satisfied with Crimea, and even this piece of land may retain a sort of independence, an aligned status with Russia.
Malfleur @ 23:06
Plausible, after all the man was trained by the KGB, he knows all the tricks.
Baron,
1. In British Columbia, Chilean Malbec, runs from CAD$13 to CAD $23 a bottle. Sadly the best Chilean Malbec (at least one superb one by Valdivieso) at over CAD$30 a bottle seems to be no longer available.
2. I can’t disagree with your assertion that the elite of the muslim world, the mullahs, entertain the idea of sharia ruling the world, and that their followers only follow because they, the elite, tell them to.
That is no doubt largely true, but it doesn’t explain why the mullahs believe that sharia is divinely ordained to rule the world and that they have the duty to tell their followers to bring it about. The mullahs believe this because of what is written in the Koran. And indeed many other people who read the Koran are persuaded to the same opinion as the mullahs. Is that not the fundamental problem?
3. I won’t presume to offer a solution to the presence of Islam in the world’s civilised countries, but that is only because the governments of the world’s civilised countries are (at present) unwilling to apply it. Even Clear Memories’ moderate proposals, desirable as they are, are equally anathema to those governments.
Perhaps the Chinese will eventually prove that it can be done and that Islam can be extinguished, but if Islam has meantime brought about the collapse of much of western civilisation, that will be the result of western civilisation’s abandonment of it’s once admirable virtues and of it’s embracing the shallowness of extreme liberalism and political correctness.
No revelation Baron
You are correct that he will probably be satisfied with hegemony over Crimea
However the Russians have not forgiven the Ukrainians for collaboration with the Third Reich
Gasprom will be used to keep them in line
Obama expended 90 min of hot air last night talking to Putin and achieved nothing
Other than to hear that it was necessary to protect the interests of the Russian minority
A noble task
Even the religion of the Ukrainians is, unlike Russia, tainted by Slavic Pagan Mythology
I would be happy with a total takeover
The religion of peace busy killing people in china railway station.
They were ethic separatists
They have as much to do with Islam as Gerry Adams has to do with the Pope
Sorry
Ethnic Separatists
All over the world ethnic separatists involved in mass killing are 99% from one group.
If the Chinese have any sense ,and I know they have they should sort this problem out and give the world a lead to follow.
We cannot ignore this world wide problem forever , pretending that they are local issues when they clearly are not.
Q. What have Angela Merkel and “Patricia ‘Eight’s Too Late’ Hewitt ” got in common?
A. They are both mentioned in Aleander Boot’s latest blog post.
http://alexanderboot.com/content/angie-doesn%E2%80%99t-love-dave-anymore
Most amusing
Moazzam Beggs the question:
If he’s found guilty should we ask for the £1M Gitmo compo money, so generously donated by the British Taxpayer, back?
All is well! Waffle for breakfast supplied via Murnaghan by Paddy Pantsdown in didactic mode from his armchair. He’ll sort both the Ukraine and the latest Ulster spat in no time flat. No doubt his man Daniel Korski in No. 10 will convey his wishes to CMD for onward transmission to Butch Omama, so rest easy over your keyboards, folks, the situation is under control.
Now Lord Stern in his cardy with a second dose of waffle on ‘climate change’ – unchallenged, as ever.
Herbert Thornton @ 01:53
At £15 a bottle, which is roughly your C$30, it’s just far too expensive. Baron has bought two cases of cheap Merlot at Aldi, works out at just over C$6 pb. If you aren’t familiar withthe retiling set-up here, that’s probably the cheapest chain around, but the wine is not only drinkable, but for that money a superb bargain (even if the barbarian says so himself).
Merlot’s Baron preferred grape, well, preferred in a sense he always drinks it when available in restaurants, never drinks anything else at home, and not only because the limestone soils of Pomerol suit the grape, also because in its purity the grape furnishes us with the most deliciously palatable (so the experts say), but also the most expensive plonk Chateau Petrus.
Still, on things less important in life than wine (a joke, Malfleur, a joke, or rather a feeble attempt at one):
Baron can understand why some feel so strongly about the Muslim presence here, he can understand it, but not feel it, the barbarian wasn’t born here.
Yet, still, the strength of feelings saddens him. The influx of the worshippers of Allah, others from Africa or wherever, isn’t really that different from what happened when Britain ruled a quarter of the world except for the travelling arrangements got switched over. Instead of the middle class sahib packing his suitcase, boarding a boat, arriving at some place like Pakistan, then ruling it over the locals, it’s the other way round today.
If the sahib could live in a country of the Muslim worshippers surrounded by far greater number of them why does he find it so much unacceptable when they’re far far fewer of them here? Admittedly in the mother country rather than in the hot, smelly places like Pakistan, but should this alone be what fuels the powerfully felt resentment? Hmmm
Did you know, Herbert, that in Urdu Pakistan means ‘the land of the pure’? That’s not made up, that’s true.
Tele
” I would be happy with a total take over.”
You won’t be happy until there is a totalitarian take over of the world by the residue of Marx’s ideology, when you will probably be one of apparatchiks in the Ministry of Propaganda. Dream on.
Why are so many sensible and erudite CHWs having a rant about the muslims? We know they are scum, should be smothered at birth and there is no place in a civilised country for them. Surely, end of subject!
EC @ 10:04
To pick Germany as an ally for a renegotiation of the treaty is just plain stupid. Why should the Hun rock the boat that will deliver for him what he always dreamt about: the leadership of Europe.
If the German volk stick to being patient, continue worshipping prudence, work at getting richer still, they will take over the continent cum the little island to the north without having the need to roll tanks over the lands.
Frank P @ 10:31
There aren’t that many things that make Baron’s stomach turn. Listening or seeing this man is one of them. Please, please, let him go.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 10:43
Anne, live, let live, rings a bell?
Re: QT in Swansea last Thursday.
An interesting eye-witness account of the whole, fairly pointless, process:
http://www.evans-crittens.com/2014/03/bbc-question-time-newport-opportunity.html
h/t Melanie Phillips (@MelanieLatest)
Baron @10:50
Nice thought, but in the mindset of the desert death cult it doesn’t apply to jews, kuffars, women or pooftas.
Herbert Thornton 1st, – 20:03
“Winston Churchill’s very forceful assessment of Islam.”
Excellent! Should be tattooed into the insides of the eyelids of every British politician of every stature, so that they see it on waking, before they speak, propose policy…
🙂
Baron
March 2nd, 2014 – 10:50
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 10:43
Anne, live, let live, rings a bell?
For whom the bell tolls? Baron, don’t say you have pity for the scum?
If half the World is civilised it is because we made it so. I know the Indians resent us for abolishing thugee and burning widows, but that’s colonialism for you. These countries fought for their independence, we gave it to them so what in hell’s name are they doing here? And I speak as a Welshman whose ancestors were here before the Romans.
EC – 10:58 ‘QT’
IIRC, paraphrasing, Melanie said that part of the problem was that the Left were focusing on ‘the rights’ of every conceivable minority and that they had lost the plot and ended up with unforeseen consequences.
BUT isn’t that the problem with the ‘uman rights’ legislation? Just repeal it!
Everyone involved with NCCL/PIE was concerned with creating new laws, for their own minority group, and no one cared about the eventual outcome for fear of offending anyone, and losing their power base – mentioning no names! For someone to emerge from this murky quagmire as a Cabinet Minister or Deputy Leader of an old national political party, and yet having disk jockeys hauled into court on the flimsiest of evidence does show how dysfunctional our Courts have become.
I think pointing out that throwing out what has evolved over hundreds of years and replacing it with ‘pure logic and reason’, by diktat, creates suffering, with those having least resources suffering the most!
Ahhh … Stephen Mayberry … But where is “here”?
Not sure there’s much of a consensus on that concept any more.
RobertC (13:06)
I agree with your observation; but that still ignores the deliberate cynical motivation of those provoking the useful idiots: to destroy the culture/religion/mores and sexual customs of The West, in order to prepare for the Marxist utopia planned more than a century ago.
RobertC (13:06)
I agree with your observation; but that still ignores the deliberate cynical motivation of those provoking the useful idiots: to destroy the culture/religion/mores and sexual customs of The West, in order to prepare for the Marxist utopia planned and modified over the last 150 years or so, which is still proceeding apace.
Whoops! Unusual for Peter’s software to glitch with a double post. He must be busy. It is Sunday, so that’s a given, no doubt.
Alex puts the Boot four laceholes up Hitch’s ass!
Don’t miss his latest post – hot off the intertubes.
See Alexander Boot on the side-bar >>
Frank P.
Too right Frank. Walk down Whitechapel Road and there are so many of them here that you would think you were there.
Latest opinium poll in the Observer
“…On Westminster politics, the poll shows Labour’s lead over the Conservatives has dropped to 5% (down four points on a fortnight ago). Labour is on 34%, the Conservatives 29% (up one point), Ukip is on 19% (up two points) and the Liberal Democrats are on 10% (up two points).”
I wonder why Peter Hain wants the Bloody Sunday military to receive an amnesty. Is it because the terrorists have got away with murdering soldiers and horses? Where was Hain and what was his role then? Perhaps Hain has another reason. To quote Mandy Rice-Davies, “Well he would wouldn’t he?”
Anne Wotana Kaye 1
March 2nd, 2014 – 10:43
As a Dutch friend of mine observed, the best part of any Muslim ran down its Mothers leg!
The Ultimate Ethnic Joke
An Englishman, a Scotsman, an Irishman, a Welshman, a Latvian, a Turk, a German, an Indian, several Americans (including a Hawaiian and an Alaskan), an Argentinean, a Dane, an Australian, a Slovak, an Egyptian, a Japanese, a Moroccan, a Frenchman, a New Zealander, a Spaniard, a Russian, a Guatemalan, a Colombian, a Pakistani, a Malaysian, a Croatian, a Uzbek, a Cypriot, a Pole, a Lithuanian, a Chinese, a Sri Lankan, a Lebanese, a Cayman Islander, a Ugandan, a Vietnamese, a Korean, a Uruguayan, a Czech, an Icelander, a Mexican, a Finn, a Honduran, a Panamanian, an Andorran, an Israeli, a Venezuelan, an Iranian, a Fijian, a Peruvian, an Estonian, a Syrian, a Brazilian, a Portuguese, a Liechtensteiner, a Mongolian, a Hungarian, a Canadian, a Moldovan, a Haitian, a Norfolk Islander, a Macedonian, a Bolivian, a Cook Islander, a Tajikistani, a Samoan, an Armenian, an Aruban, an Albanian, a Greenlander, a Micronesian, a Virgin Islander, a Georgian, a Bahaman, a Belarusian, a Cuban, a Tongan, a Cambodian, a Canadian, a Qatari, an Azerbaijani, a Romanian, a Chilean, a Jamaican, a Filipino, a Ukrainian, a Dutchman, a Ecuadorian, a Costa Rican, a Swede, a Bulgarian, a Serb, a Swiss, a Greek, a Belgian, a Singaporean, an Italian, a Norwegian, an African and you…
… Walk into a fine restaurant.
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“I’m sorry,” says the maître d’, after scrutinizing the group “but you can’t come in here without a Thai. “
The screw tightens:
Deepening Energy Crisis: Britain has become ‘uninvestable’, analyst warns
http://www.thegwpf.org/deepening-energy-crisis-britain-uninvestable-energy-analyst-warns/
The bald Yorkshireman has departed to Kiev to save the nation of the Ukrainians from themselves.
Why do we have to interfere there? What’s in it for us? Will bread become cheaper after his visit?
Imagine if Putin were to dispatch an emissary to us or Scotland to help to adjudicate before the vote on Scottish independence. It’s unimaginable, isn’t it?
Baron feels abit ashamed for doing it, but he pinched someone’s else posting of the baldie’s meddling, it’s quite witty: “Someone tell Hague to go and worry some sheep if he’s feeling warlike.”
Clear Memories @ 15:32
Long, hard to remember all the nations, but exquisite, Clear Memories, you should congratulate yourself.
“Someone tell Hague to go and worry some sheep if he’s feeling warlike.”
Which reminds me what was said of another Conservative politician, being lectured by Hague is like being savaged by a dead sheep.
RobertC @ 16:15
Now, that’s something the tossers in Whitehall should worry about, leave the squabble in the Ukraine to the two Slavonic families. Those in charge here, and the ghastly Brussels mob kept needling Putin, picking on him for now good reason, so now they are getting what they’ve sown. His approval rating shot up after Sochi, he probably thought he’ll make it better still, deliver Crimea to the Russians. The analyst in Malfleur’s posting March 1st, 2014 – 23:06 may have been right.
If we were to get just one tough winter in the years ahead, the outages would be a given.
Noa
Howe’s that?
Baron
The ‘outage’ we need is ‘out’ of the EU!
The Wallster revenge:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/G0PekTUmBdY?feature=player_embedded
Noa (17:49)
All Ukippers? 🙂
Noa.
Being savaged by a dead sheep-Denis Healy on Geoffrey Howe. And he was right.
A secular parable for our times from the Monoblot. Now, if we start re-introducing core western values and conservative political principles will we not similarly eliminate fabian socialism and its ideological allies?
Will we not also start a simiar re-generation of the West?
http://www.youtube.com/embed/ysa5OBhXz-Q?feature=player_embedded
Frank P 17.55
or worse, “Quippers”?
Noa
Or quicker! V good …:-)
Frank P @ 13:43
Baron subscribes fully to Peter Hitchen’s take on things Russo-Ukrainian, Mr. Boot has got it wrong, and Baron is beginning to figure why.
Look, many of of the British are still finding it hard to live with the loss of your greatness, the time when the population of Britain was a mere 1.6% of that of the world, but the country supplied half of the world’s output of coal and iron, controlled two third of world’s shipping, and a third of its trade, when London banks had on deposits more money than all other banks in the world, and when her anthem ‘the God Save the Queen’ was sung by a quarter of the world’s population. Right? And that’s going back to roughly 1850.
Well, Frank, how do you think the ordinary Russians feel about the loss of their ‘greatness’ under the sun, it was lost a mere 20 years ago? True, their greatness have been built on the graves of millions, it cost each and every Russian family dearly, but it was no skin of anyone’s else nose. It was the Russian mizhik and not anyone else anywhere else who suffered, endured, slaved. It was he who lost the greatest number of his comrades in the WW2.
And to make things worse, and this is what Mr. Boot seems unable to comprehend, all this sacrifice was not because the Russian character per se, but because of communism, a societal experiment hoisted on them. They didn’t vote to have it imposed on the country, it was forced upon them by the deluded clique of haters of humanity. The ghastly Lenin and his mob of thugs cleverly brainwashed the peasantry tired of war, the Tsarist oppression and stuff. The Russians aren’t any more predisposed to enslavement than the Germans were predisposed to Nazism. If anything the latter are more to blame for what the Adolf’s deranged construct inflicted on the unwashed of Europe than the Russians for their oppressing their own populace, or those of the satellite states. The Germans got there by ‘democratic’ means. The Russians never had the luxury of a free vote until now.
And when it comes to Putin, Baron’s view has not changed. He’s a dictatorial ruler, but within a system that will eventually deliver for the Russians. For the transitional phase the Russians cannot have what Mr. Boot preaches. It ain’t doable because the masses ain’t ready for it. Remember, there isn’t only ‘a learning curve’ nations have to progress on, but also ‘a forgetting curve’ that more often than not lags the former.
Baron, don’t forget that Alex Boot is Russian. He was born there and grew up there and was driven out from there by the KGB. I think he understands his homeland well.
It’s not the 28th July yet, but close enough to be a ‘celebration ‘ of the First World War, with all the usual idiots.
Most of us here seem to agree that Marxism of various sorts is still influencing people who believe that it is desirable, and we agree too that such people are a dangerous menace to our freedom and well-being.
Similarly, most of us here also view Islam as similarly dangerous.
But which of the two poses the greater menace?
Marxism fails to deliver what it promises – with the result that populations subjected to it have generally lost faith in it so that its dogma that all industry must be owned by the state has been abandoned and in some cases, the Communist Party has been dissolved.
Islam on the other hand, while spreading more slowly than Marxism, is replete with ideas and rules that all tend to ensure it’s preservation and increase. Those ideas and rules have moreover succeeded as has been demonstrated for many centuries – a much longer time that the mere 147 years since Das Kapital was published.
The fact that Islam’s spread tends, from the historical perspective, to be gradual rather than sudden makes many westerners far too nonchalant about it and too ready to be tolerant even to the point of giving aid and comfort to it’s extremists.
I think that more people need to be persuaded that Islam really is both the more serious danger – and an existential one.
Baron (18:18)
You’ll note I didn’t take sides in linking the Boot-Hitch contretemps. That one’s above my pay grade. But I can sympathize with a great deal of what each has to say and both are very entertaining with their explications.
It would be good to watch a 30 minute televise, d debate between the three of you.
The Hitchens v Boot confrontation is interesting.
I have posted an excerpt from Mr Boot’s post and a link to on on Mr Hitchen’s website and look forward to his response with rather more interest than the staged Hitchens v Lucas debate scheduled for 12th March in New York.
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2014/03/peter-hitchens-vs-edward-lucas-on-the-crimea-confrontation.html#comments
It may well be that Putin is evil, Hitchens himself describes his regime as ‘squalid’, but only he opposes robustly the real contemporary threats to both Western and Russian civilisation. Even while our own politicians court and abnegate themselves to them.
If ‘my enemies enemy is my friend’, then Putin is, perforce mine.
Peter from Maidstone @ 18:21
Peter, you may have hinted at what Baron reckons fuels your friend’s view on Russia.
Still, Baron lived in Russia, too, only for six years, but long enough to get a feel for the place when Nikita was in charge. He was also handled by the KGB, spent time at Ljubjanka, the infamous KGB HQ in Moscow, had the more than unpleasant privilege to examine the cellars inthe place. You reckon the barbarian is in love with the KGB, do you?
Herbert Thornton @ 18:32
Excellent piece, Herbert. Baron is also pleased you talk about the creed, not about those who got brainwashed, intimidated, forced to follow it.
I’ve never understood why they don’t reinstate After Dark, the open ended discussion forum that was so popular in the 80s. Some of the issues of these times would be ideal bones for expert big dogs to chew ove at length rather than competing for two line meaningless sound bites. The Beeb should replace both QT and This Week with such a format. Too many politicians, spads and quankers hog debate on TV these days, not to mention slebs who haven’t earned their bones but pontificate nonetheless.
Frank P @ 18:46
Who knows what’s the right and what’s wrong take on anything, Frank. What is rather pleasing we can debate, argue, challenge each other without falling out. baron loves it.
Noa @ 18:54
Excellent point, Noa.
Baron reckons that many of us would wish to have someone other than Cameron to run things here. But we cannot, given how the system functions, we are stuck with the boy.
Similarly in Russia or Ukraine. In both countries people have voted, Putin and Yanukovych got elected. To get rid of either, people must vote them out. To get a group of people armed with Kalashnikovs to disperse the elected MPs, install a man they favour ain’t kosher.
Btw, there’s one functioning Kalashnikov for every 70 people in the world. Rather alot, don’t you think?
Baron @ 18:58
A small but bloody important emission in Baron’s earlier posting on his time at Ljubjanka. It wasn’t rape, theft or anything like that which got Baron there. His crime was by far worse, he was a ‘political’.
Baron
March 2nd, 2014 – 19:12
Frank P @ 18:46
“Who knows what’s the right and what’s wrong take on anything, Frank.”
We have to judge on the consequences of what politicans do, Baron.
e.g. Was being permitting/encouraging mass islamic immigration into Europe right or wrong?
If it wasn’t, who did it, why and what can be done to mitigate or eradicate the mistake made.
We don’t forgive or rehabilitate Stalin, Hitler or Pol Pot, indeed we hold them up as the monsters they are and try to take what lessons there may be for the future.
So why should we excuse or forget lesser monsters, such as Owen, Blair or Brown, who actions have very real consequences of life and death.
‘The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.’
Cameron, Haig and Obama could have had quiet,private,talks with Putin if they had followed tradition and turned up at Sochi for the closing ceremony.
They didn’t,to protest against Putin’s policy of restraining`gay` propaganda.
Obama deliberately sent three `gay` athletes to represent the USA
Further;Cameron has given `Stonewall`tax money to support homosexuality in Russia.
Why would Putin take any notice of Cameron or Obama?
Radford NG
“Why would Putin take any notice of Cameron or Obama?”
I’m buggered if I know!
Haig is flying to Kiev;and has said he won’t take part in preparatory talks in Sochi for the next G8 conference.
Cameron says Ministers will not attend the Paralympics at the end of the week.
I read that Crimea is 58% Russian,25% Ukranian and about 75% Russian speaking.
Between 1500 and 1700 the Crimean Tartars supplied two million slaves to the Ottoman Empire from their neighboring peoples.
I’m hoping to record an interview with Alex Boot this week and I will ask him to respond to Hitchen as much as he wishes.
Baron (March 2nd, 2014 – 19:06)
That’s fine, but the depressing fact is that it will require what seems at present to be unimaginable force to separate the followers from the creed.
Baron -19:19
Thanks, a thoughtful post, with lessons to be learned from it.
“…Btw, there’s one functioning Kalashnikov for every 70 people in the world. Rather alot, don’t you think?”
Given the population disarmament that law abiding citizens have experienced in the UK it can convincingly be argued that we need another 69 for that unprotected ‘every 70!’.
As Verity never tires of reminding us, an armed society is a polite one. And if we were all tooled up, our politicians would be more responsive and politer still, especially when canvassing at election time!
I also recall that Mr Boot had an interesting post on the freedom fighters’ weapon of choice.
http://alexanderboot.com/content/kalashnikov-isn%E2%80%99t-kalashnikov
Peter
I thnk Mr Boot has responded already to Peter Hitchens. And while he may reply in turn what will result is probably, point scoring word tennis.
As Frank P says, what would be ecellent is if the two of them could debate the matter, with Baron as the chair… a possible first for CHW TV?
Noa, I think you under-estimate Mr Boots ability to reflect on an argument outside of the context of his Blog.
Peter
I have read his interesting article. I sympathise and understand both his and Peter Hitchens’ respective perspectives.
What really would be interesting is whether or not these two excellent conservative and moral minds would or could find any common ground and a conservative ‘way forward’, in what woud be a fascinating face to face debate, rather than in a written exchange of views attracting much less interest.
Noa, if I had funds I would arrange something. I don’t so I must restrict myself to an audio interview with Alex Boot.
Peter
I regret my suggestion seems to have caused some offence.
It was not intended to do so. You are the one who has mentioned CHW initiatives and imho a live CCTV web debate, would be of wide interest.
It is a matter for general regret that such an opportunity is not within the present scope of CHW.
No offence at all Noa. Just explaining why I cant do it at the moment.
The situation in Ukraine seems to be turning into a kind of circus – it makes me ask whether the new government in Kievis going to enjoy universal support from Ukraine’s armed forces – especially because the second of these two web sites includes this –
“A Russian media report on Saturday claimed that Ukraine’s Navy flagship, the Hetman Sahaidachny frigate has refused to follow orders from Kiev, came over to Russia’s side and was returning home from the Gulf of Aden flying the Russian naval flag.”
http://rt.com/news/navy-chief-ukraine-crimea-485/
http://rt.com/news/ukrainian-warships-leave-sevastopol-476/
That’s it! They’ve dragged John Simpson out of the retirement home and sent him to Sevastapol. Things must really be serious. I’m off – into me nuke shelter – an old Norfolk pill-box, adapted for the purpose. It can even withstand Simpers. Dunno whether the broadband connection will penetrate the 15 inch walls; but I’ll try to keep in contact.
FMOBB. They’ll have that douchebag Pilger out there any minute now. To the hills Wallsters. The end is nigh!
Pilger? Are there are persecuted Abos’ in the Crimea too?
Any rooms too rent in the bunker Frank?
Frank P
The battle won’t be over until they bring out Orla Guerin.
Benghazi was a failed coup to remove and jail Obama:
A military coup is in process in the USA:
It may not end well even if successful and, in any event, Obama may pre-empt it:
http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/03/01/interview-on-dead-banksters-a-military-coup/
Frank P.
Frank, I designed Saddam,s nuclear bunkers and spent two and a half years in Baghdad supervising their construction. I would be happy to run you up a smaller version if you would like along with a special suite for Noa.
Noa
March 2nd, 2014 – 19:26
We have to judge on the consequences of what politicans do, Baron.
e.g. Was being permitting/encouraging mass islamic immigration into Europe right or wrong?
If it wasn’t, who did it, why and what can be done to mitigate or eradicate the mistake made.
We don’t forgive or rehabilitate Stalin, Hitler or Pol Pot, indeed we hold them up as the monsters they are and try to take what lessons there may be for the future.
So why should we excuse or forget lesser monsters, such as Owen, Blair or Brown, who actions have very real consequences of life and death.
‘The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.’
I hesitate to raise my head in your presence in this parish but do I detect here an attempt to rerun the Spanish Inquisition
The Arabs who just happened to be Muslim rather than Christian brought Europe via Iberia and to a lesser extent the Balkans a great advance in relation to our numerical understanding, mathematics, science and medicine
What did we di in return?
We tried to turn their minds in matters religious to a barbaric creed that allowed torture and murder by burning
Revisionist Blair I grant may deserve a similar fate but Gordon’s rescue of the world banks has yet to be rewarded and David Owen, along with Cyrus Vance solved Yugoslavia
PS David Lindsay is a close friend only who was heinously like Peter axed from Speccie in last incarnation
Baron -19:19
“…Btw, there’s one functioning Kalashnikov for every 70 people in the world. Rather a lot, don’t you think?”
One might assume that all “functioning” AK47’s are equal but, in practice, some are more equal than others.
Conspiracy theorists are such fun! 🙂
Noa @ 20:32
Baron couldn’t miss noticing the extend of your generosity, the elevation of the barbarian to the chair of a debate.
You are good not only at making points that bite, you also are too kind, you know, but even if it were financially possible Baron would have to decline. First, it would be unfair to Mr. Boot, two against one for Baron would be unlikely unbiased, his presence there would also elevate him to a position he doesn’t deserve. Both Hitchens and Boot are giants of the world of polemics, have a solid reputation, massive following whilst the barbarian is nobody. But lastly, and ,most importantly, Baron values his anonymity above all, feels no need to get his twelve minutes of fame.
So thank you again, Noa, but no.
Noa @ 21:15, Peter from Maidstone @ 21:21
Noa’s idea of a on=screen interview, Peter, is good, it would put you on the map, you should keep it in mind. Pat Condell has a massive following, he himself reckons about ten times that he would have if he wrote the stuff.
And you, Peter, should be the one chairing the debates, playing the role of the moral adjudicator, it would suits you well..
stephen maybery @ 06:17
Incredible, stephen, Baron never ceases to be astonished by other people’s history. You should tell us more about the mood of the place at times when everyone’s reminded of Iraq, invasions, like now, draw comparisons, hint at failures before and after the invasion on their, our part …
If the time comes, Baron will call you.
Malfleur @ 06:17
And just as well it failed, the last thing we need is a bunch of conspirators who cannot organise it properly.
Baron dislikes the messiah’s policy as much as the next man, he’s deadly agist his being removed by some military nutters.
Frank P @ 22:33
Frank, isn’t that pillbox of yours dank, the one near Baron’s abode feels as solid as when it was built, but inside it’s rather unpleasant, rather moist and smelly. Perhaps it should be made habitable for who knows, Baron may need it, too.
What I found most amusing about attacks on Ed Miliband and his unwittingly causing the prospective invasion of Ukraine by the Russians due to his own failure to invade Syria, was the idea that Putin has any idea of who Ed is or could care less.
Peter from Maidstone
March 3rd, 2014 – 11:56
Ed Miliband, in common with most politicians is an egomaniac.
“British Foreign Secretary William Hague has said Russia will face “consequences and costs” if it is not “persuaded to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine”. from BBC web.
Another egomaniac, albeit a pocket-sized one?
“Armed militia, incl. Bundy bros, occupy forest reserve HQ in Oregon, call ‘US patriots’ to arms.
Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s three sons and “about 150” militiamen have occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge HQ to protest the pending imprisonment of two Oregon ranchers accused of arson, arguing the federal government has no authority in local cases.”
https://www.rt.com/usa/327762-armed-bundy-militia-oregon-ranchers/
“Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said Saturday the idea of religious neutrality is not grounded in the country’s constitutional traditions and that God has been good to the U.S. exactly because Americans honor him.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/