The Coffee House Wall – 28th/4th May

Posted on April 28, 2014

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151 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 28th/4th May”

  1. Another idiocy to add to the achievements of the nation. A triple murderer has been awarded £800 in compensation because prison officers lost some of his tawdry possessions, £500 of this was because the officers failed to apologise. Words do not fail me, the ones I am inclined to use are not suitable for this site. Why was this feral swine allowed to sue in the first place? Have the Lawyers who brought the case no morals whatsoever? and why does the Government not remove the opportunities to bring such cases before the courts? Our country has been turned into a circus, only the clowns are just not funny. There are times when I am convinced there is no hope for us.

  3. Malfleur April 27th, 2014 – 23:26

    Whatever point you’re trying to make eludes me entirely.
    There must be a conspiracy theory out there somewhere that fits your criteria though.

  5. Peter,
    Nick Clegg “The last thing I want is to give up this job” Don’t worry Nick, the voters are ready able and willing to assist you in your dilemma.

  6. A judge at a mass trial in Egypt recommends the death penalty for 683 people – including the Muslim Brotherhood leader Mohammed Badie
    How well-named! 🙂

  7. On the last Sabbath day of 1879,
    Which will be remember’d for a very long time.

  8. Andy Car Park
    April 28th, 2014 – 11:46

    And the relevance of the Tay Bridge disaster to current events please?

  9. Noa

    Let me try to put this so that even those who have decided to engage in conventional politics can understand it:

    ” Islam is organised crime under religious camouflage ”

    Do you agree with this statement of your your UKIP colleague or do you think it is something for which he should be censored?

  10. Malfleur – 13:12
    It is definitely organised and the literature is not, shall we say, very inclusive. For example, it does not respect other cultures! When it has enough power and influence, it does not recognise existing laws and while it appears to be a religion, it’s militaristic side can be seen, even though it is brushed under the carpet by the current establishment leaders!

  13. Lenny Henry the comedian, actor and ‘Red Nose Day’ stalwart has on a number of occasions bemoaned the fact that (in his opinion) there are not enough black faces on television. He further adds that he is always surrounded by white faces.

    A UKIP candidate in the May town council elections is said to have posted on Twitter or some such place the comment, that if Lenny Henry wishes to be surrounded by black faces he should go and live in a country whose people are predominantly black.

    Some might think this an ill thought out comment whilst others might think this an appropriate suggestion but in this time of ‘Let’s find sticks to beat UKIP with’ all hell has broken loose and the very silly ‘racist’ smear is being used.

    It is my opinion that the more the BBC and MSM try to knock down UKIP the greater their support grows.

  14. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 April 28th, 2014 – 10:35

    “A judge at a mass trial in Egypt recommends the death penalty for 683 people –”

    We could do with the likes of him here!

  15. David Ossitt
    April 28th, 2014 – 19:42
    Agree! By the way, how disgusting that a convicted murderer (3 victims) has been awarded damages for his property which was lost in prison. How come the £800 has not been confiscated to help the families of his victims, and perhaps go towards his board and lodging? The money was awarded in a small claims court. Another example of our insane and corrupt judiciary.

  17. The Guardian says there is to be a cross-party campaign to brand Ukip (and by association their supporters) ‘Euroracists’. That should be fun, and more likely than not boost the number of those who will vote for Ukip further. The LabConLib have chosen the wrong battleground, anything esle but the EU would have been better.

    The anti-EU vote throughout Europe has reached 30% according to a poll. It seems the unwashed here aren’t the only ones wanting to get rid of the monstrosity.

  18. telemachus @ 18:13

    It may have hurt, you do have Baron’s sympathy, but it was funny, even you must admit it, but you should be a bigger man, take it on the chin, often you do say things that go beyond comprehension. Example? Your insane backing of Balls, the guy who was around when the dour Scot came up with the doctrine of ‘no boom, no bust’. What was all the costly education of your protege for? It’s so elementary that the economic system we live under cannot function in any other by a cyclical manner. He now admits it was a mistake, so why should anyone trust the judgment of a man who’s erred at an abecedarian level, ha?

  19. David Ossitt @ 19:40

    In a society where tolerance, common sense and the right of people to offend and be offended were the norm this spat would not have even registered. Lenny (a comedian Baron used to enjoy in the past because of his unpretentiousness) says he wants to see more of his phylum on the box, the other chap says ‘if you do, why not go somewhere where they form the majority’. Big deal.

    Baron reckons that this protective layer of labelling everyone who says anything that’s even mildly critical of the black people as racist is counterproductive. It pisses off people who would normally treat everyone equally, and if a chance arises they may put a black man down because he is black, but give another, quite a plausible and defensible reason.

    If one looks how those with colour skin other than white have done since the laws giving them a special status got enacted it’s not that different from what they had done before. Amazingly, in football where racism should be rampant, the ratio of whites to no-whites is skewed very much in favour of the latter, nobody minds. If anyone were to insist it should reflect the society at large the fans, and certainly Baron, would be outraged, the currently best players (Suarez. Sturridge, Toure) would be for the chop as would others Baron rather likes.

  20. Noa @ 15:10

    Quite.

    Judge Lord Kenyon (R.v.Cuthell, 1799, 27 How. St. Tr. 675): “A man may publish anything which twelve of his countrymen think is not blamable.”

    Weird, isn’t it that more than two centuries ago when Britain was supposed to be barbaric, the freedom of expression was only limited by the adjudication of twelve unwashed. Now, in an enlightened Britain, it’s limited by statutes enacted by few of the anointed. It’s no brainer which of the two is freer.

  21. Nick Cohen having a rave at the Spectator against the racist,sexist,xenophobic,homophobic,anti-semitic UKIP:and gets a highly negative response.

  24. Alex Jones interviews Joseph Farah, the founder of WND, in the 3rd hour of yesterday’s show. Attempting to identify how the evil in the country can be overcome, they light on the sine qua non:

    “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”

    2 Chronicles 7:14

    http://www.wnd.com/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_985298357&feature=iv&src_vid=vL8eTMpTF_s&v=HIrVmo3PzA8

    An interesting discussion which begins intensely political and then leads into that verse of Chronicles without losing relevance as if the two people talking had the same thought.

    An interesting example of how the Bible is in one sense the handbook for those who love liberty.

    “What we are experiencing now in the country IS judgement!”

  26. This is gardening Ukrainian style, the plots are adjacent to Maidan, the square that has seen alot of protesting, fighting, controversy. The two guys are discussing the growing rates of what they’ve seeded, onions are very much in vogue… They speak Ukrainian, not Russian. Totally unimportant, Baron though you might enjoy seeing another peaceful side of the conflict.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn0OUa4Qkag&feature=youtu.be

  29. Watching ‘News night’, I would not be surprised if attempts are made to ban UKip, or if not to ban it outright, then to do what they have done to the EDL, make its aims appear racist, frightening to Mr and Mrs Average, and present it as an unfit Party for a democracy. By “They” I mean the three main parties, led by the LibDems.

  30. Anne,
    Yes, they will do all they can to destroy UKIP, but there is a difference, UKIP are now emerging from the fringes of politics, and crucially. they are speaking the language of ordinary folk, this is what the left wing intelligentsia are unable to understand, or, to be precise, what they are unwilling to accept. Nigel and his acolytes are going to sweep the board in May, after which they will be too strong, and to attempt to stop them would trigger massive unrest. I will stick my neck out and predict this, we are about to witness the beginning of the end of political correctness and all that goes with it. Our country has given much to the World, and this could well be our greatest gift of all.

  31. stephen maybery
    April 30th, 2014 – 00:04
    Stephen, your posting gives me hope for the future .

  34. By declining to be pushed into standing in Newark, Farage proves yet again that he’s a conviction politician (“I have no links with the East Midlands”) and not just a bandwagon-jumper.

    Pick the day, pick the battle and win.

  35. Clear Memories 30th, – 09:20

    “Pick the day, pick the battle and win.”

    🙂

    He sounded almost statesman-like this morning. And what was equally surprising was that Humph didn’t try to monster him…maybe he’s realised that he’s a much more organised animal than the lefties have chosen to think…so far.

  37. “…. he’s a much more organised animal than the lefties have chosen to think…so far.”

    lefties think? FFS, how dumb can you get? Lefties are knee-jerk. They have no thought. I spent the majority of today listening to the Select Committee on FGM and watching the lefties (both on the Committee and giving evidence) tying themselves in knots trying not to criticize the black savages that inflict this foul torture on their babies. If they had any guts, they’d be advising that all little girls born to blacks and Muslims be taken into care at birth to save them from a lifetime of abuse.

    But then lefties are so stupid that they can’t see that their co-ordinated attacks on UKIP with their mates in the MSM and BBC are having exactly the opposite effect to what they (in their metro-centric little world) expect because the great majority are not lefties. They might be socialists (which is nearly as bad) but, on the whole, the great unwashed like to think they are nice people and they care about others. So calling them racists is just about as dumb as it gets. (although anyone who attended union mass meeting in the 70’s will realise that the majority of union members loved Enoch and hated the West Indians with a vengeance.)

    And that is what the establishment/political classes are doing – calling 31% of the population racists. That’s OK if you’re a Tory or Milliband, you most probably have enough ‘old’ money to live on when you get kicked out of the political system. If you’re Ed Balls, you’re fucked – no job, unemployable.

    As Bob said, the times they are a’changin.

  38. Clear Memories 30th, – 10:47

    “lefties think? FFS, how dumb can you get?”

    Of COURSE lefties think…above a certain level. If the were all the dumb drones we repeatedly make the mistake of believing them to be, they wouldn’t have conned their way into winning three elections in a row. Invisible (relatively) above those drones is an evil, but very intelligent cabal that triangulates every political event to see how it can be made to work for them, in easing their back to the only thing that matters to them…not socialism, not fairness, not equality but POWER.

  39. The economy is racing ahead, wonderful news, and there is gobshite George claiming credit for this state of affairs, talk about brass neck. The economy is revving up despite the Coalition, not because of anything they have done. These improvements could and should have come about years ago, and would have done so if significant reductions in Government spending had been introduced, as happened in Canada where there were real cuts, something in the region of 40% of spending and no sacred cows to be protected.

    The coalition has only pretended to cut, it has moved Heaven and earth to shield Labours payroll vote, legions of the useless paid good money to roam the shires making sure the peasantry are eating their greens and generally poking their noses into that which does not concern them. One of the reasons Cameron and co are rubbing their hands is that they calculate that rising tax revenues will reduce the deficit, it will, but not nearly enough to reduce the burdens which our grandchildren will be saddled with.

    Why has this situation come to pass? Power that is why. Much of what has happened has been to appease the Lib Dems. No-one has ever been in any doubt as to what they stand for. But this meant nothing to Cameron and co, all our glorious leader was concerned about was getting his grubby mitts on the leavers of power and having got the power, has no conceivable notion of what to do with it. The Tories say their hands are bound by their partners, true, but they knew what they were getting into from the off, they use they Lib Dems as an excuse to follow their metropolitan lefty instincts. Democracy? Don’t make me laugh.

  40. Anyone hear Ken Clarke on Toady this morning just after 8. he followed farage who sounded good. Then Clarke came on saying we need serious politicians to sort the issues out. Erm Ken, its the ‘serious’ politicians that causefd the mess. Think he got a few UKIP votes with that interview.

  41. Alexandr,
    Every time a “Serious politician” opens his mouth, several thousand votes accrue to UKIP. Nigel Farage gives his reason for not standing in Newark as not having any links to that region. A man of principle, and worthy of respect in consequence.

  42. Alexsandr – 11:44 ‘Anyone hear Ken Clarke?’

    I did.

    It is comforting to see that the Tories chose such a serious politician to make the statement that the country needs some serious politicians to rectify the mess we are in ::)

  45. RobertC,
    Rob, I did have a good laugh, there is nothing like a load of bollocks to get me chuckling. With all the people now attempting to climb the mountain it must be like Oxford Street on a Saturday afternoon, no wonder the ice gave way. All this nonsense is grist to my mill, I am a novelist, specialising in political satire and my current novel which I am working on is a send up of the fashionable religion of anthropogenic climate change.

  46. Clear Memories
    April 30th, 2014 – 09:20

    I agree – you are right and I was wrong. I just liked he idea of UKIP being representted in the House of Commons at this critical time. The principle though is that a member of parliament should have connections with the constituency which he represents. Nigel Farage is therefore aligned with the constitution on this point, and the restoration of our constitution in its purest form is what I seek.

  47. All this saturation cover for Farage in the media is making me dizzy
    *
    When is Susan Elizabeth Wilkinson going to declare her Ukip candidacy for Newark?

  48. Malfleur@April 30th, 2014 – 13:49

    I would propose any MP should have resided within 15 miles of the constituency border, or within it, for a period of 5 years before the election. Similar provisions should apply for councillors and MEP’s
    (I made the 15 up. could be 10 or 20 -dunno)

  49. Alexsandr, my MP lives in Reigate about 35 miles away. She closed her local office because she was too busy with her ministerial responsibilities. After being removed from various posts she is presently Minister for Organising the First World War Commemorations. She was parachuted into our consituency after Anne Widdecombe. Indeed shortly before becoming a Conservative candidate she had been trying to gain selection as a Labour one.

  50. Seems that another historical rape case is on the cards. Edward II is in hot water. By the way, do you know which card game he likes the least? Why, poker, of course! 🙂

  52. Nick Robinson has been zooming around the country asking people to do a mock election for in our out of Europe.

    On the first day he let it be known that the majority who took his yes/no forms were in favour of coming out of the EU, yesterday he made no comment but one could see that most were putting a cross in the yes for out box, today on the Dover Ferry to France all of the lorry drivers he asked wanted out, but yet again, from him no comment.

    Nigel Fararge has got them all in a panic.

  56. Peter from Maidstone April 30th, 2014 – 21:32

    “Great news!!!! Gerry Adams has been arrested for murder!!!!!”

    Splendid news but why has it taken so long.

  58. PfM 30th, – 21:32

    “Gerry Adams has been arrested for murder!”

    I felt the same sentiments, Peter, sadly tempered with the belief that, if he is convicted, the Good Friday agreement will see him free after 3 years or less.

    If he were to be made a social pariah, having to live in hiding in an unimproved croft somewhere in the wilds of Donegal, eventually to be found lying face down in a pool of his own blood with a bullet-hole in the back of his head, then justice, if not the law, night have been served.

  59. David, the evidence in the form of testimony by IRA members taking part in an oral history project some years ago was supposed to be released only on the death of all participants. But legal action forced it’s release and the woman IRA driver testifies on tape that Gerry Adams as IRA had honcho had rung her up and told her that they had arrested this murdered woman and she was to drive her south over the border. I think there is a lot more evidence. But only note available.

  63. We just recently learned that crime has gone down. If anybody believed the latest official lies, they must add the 5% of serious crime, including rape, which goes unrecorded. If the police and official authorities admit to 5%. it must surely be far higher!

  64. So why did the Paula Yates clone need to pump herself full of heroin, she had a family that loved her, a loving husband and two delightful children and a career but obviously this was not enough.

    Her family and friends in particular her husband must have known that she was a junky. what a stupid silly woman she was.

  65. stephen maybery – April 30th, 13:04 ‘I am working on … a send up …”
    Another laugh has been exposed:

    The deadly diesel deception: We were bullied into buying diesel cars to help fight global warming. Now experts say this ‘green’ fuel is killing thousands of us

    ‘In hindsight the switch to diesel was a mistake,’ he, [Martin Williams, professor of air quality at King’s College London,] says. ‘In the past 20 years we’ve had far more toxic emissions from cars than we should have done.’
    How did such a dirty, noisy and dangerous technology fool so many experts?
    The reason appears to be that car makers, governments and environmental groups were so wrapped up in the mania for reducing carbon dioxide emissions that their ‘experts’ managed to overlook the other highly toxic pollutants that diesel engines produce.”
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2617425/The-deadly-diesel-deception-We-bullied-buying-diesel-cars-help-fight-global-warming-Now-experts-say-green-fuel-killing-thousands-us.html

    I will repeat it, as it is an old truism to a new situation:
    “… car makers, governments and environmental groups were so wrapped up in the mania for reducing carbon dioxide emissions that their ‘experts’ managed to overlook the other highly toxic pollutants that diesel engines produce.”

  66. David Ossitt
    May 1st, 2014 – 10:53
    David, I think the whole family are silly, and the establishment, media and the police who fawn on them are stupider. It doesn’t take rocket science to establish that a dead body contains heroin, and this fact was deliberately withheld, hoping to maintain the myth of the Geldorf saintly and holy image. I wouldn’t trust a single one of them.

  67. The Geldof family, the lot of them should take an overdose, thereby putting the rest of us out of our misery. The patriarch of the clan has a part in my current tome, he is down as Lancelot von Gobbe, his compatriot Bono is in as Winalotte. As for the story of the diesel emissions I’d laugh if I could stop throwing up

  69. stephen maybery@May 1st, 2014 – 12:46

    i’ll thcream and thcream and thcream till I’m thick. And I can.
    (Violet Elizabeth Bott)

  70. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 May 1st, 2014 – 09:24

    “We just recently learned that crime has gone down.”

    That is what they tell us bot today we hear many police forces are hiding the figures or as we say in Yorkshire cooking the books.

  71. David Ossitt
    May 1st, 2014 – 15:07

    David, read my posting earlier today. The police must be doing a lot of cooking – volumea!
    Anne Wotana Kaye 1
    May 1st, 2014 – 09:24

  74. Constance Briscoe guilty of LYING to police investigating Chris Huhne speeding points scandal – after sentencing the former MP called her a ‘self-publicising fantasist’

    “Mr Huhne hailed the verdict. In a statement, he said: ‘Constance Briscoe has been revealed as a compulsive and self-publicising fantasist. 🙂
    ‘If I had not forced the disclosure that was then used to convict Briscoe, she would never have been brought to justice.
    ‘British justice is likely to be a lot fairer with Briscoe behind bars. If she can make up the witness statements used as the key evidence against me, she is clearly capable of hiding evidence she should have disclosed to the defence in the many cases that she prosecuted for the Crown Prosecution Service.
    ‘There is also an issue for the bar and the judiciary… the Bar, the Crown Prosecution Service and the judiciary went on entrusting her with responsibility for people’s lives because they were not prepared to blow the whistle on one of their own.’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2617937/Constance-Briscoe-guilty-LYING-police-investigating-Chris-Huhne-speeding-points-scandal.html

    I foresee quite a lot of extra work on past cases to ensure that justice has been done and been seen to be done.

  77. About six years ago I wrote a blog about Peaches Geldof. If any are interested this is how to access it. google Stephen maybery – peaches Geldof, this will lead you to romannovel where the piece can be viewed.

  78. I am nearly home from a day in Stoke. My hosts pointed out estate after estate that are now almost entirely populated by recent immigrants from Pakistan. It is not what it was even 20 years ago.

  79. I am watching a programme about adoption, why is half the programme about two men adopting two boys? Why are the two boys in beds with pink bedding? Why is the presenter saying that they are better parents than a normal couple?

    This is propaganda pure and simple.

  80. Benghazi

    “Ret. Air Force Brigadier General Robert Lovell, former US Africom Intelligence Director, testified that it was in the early hours of their intelligence gathering on September 11th 2012 they knew the terrorist attack on the consulate in Benghazi, Libya was conducted by Al Qaeda affiliates Ansar al-Sharia.

    “We felt it was Ansar al-Sharia,” Lovell said “very very soon, when we were still in the very early, early hours of this activity” ”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/05/01/Gen-Lovell-We-Knew-Al-Qaeda-Affiliates-Were-Responsible-for-Benghazi-Very-Very-Soon

    So why would anyone order US forces who were preparing to go to the aid of the besieged US Ambassador and his colleagues order those forces to stand down and remove commanders who disobeyed the stand-down order?

    And who gave the order?

    Could it possible be that the criminals now running the former republic’s White House were running arms to Al Qaeda and the Ambassador was not 100% in favour/

    It has also been pointed out that the recently released emails send at the time of the incident scarcely mention Obama or Clinton. The puppet president, we know, was getting a good night’s sleep in preparation for a fund raiser in Las Vegas the following day…

    Who was running things?

    Who IS running things?

    What difference does it make now?

  81. Peter on Stoke

    It sounds as though the estates need a little more diversity.

    When is someone going to hold the three main fossil parties accountable for this disaster for our country?

  82. “I am sorry that I am not at London, to be at Hide-parke to-morrow, among the great gallants and ladies, which will be very fine.”

    (Samuel Pepys, Tuesday 30 April 1661)

    [Annotation: Hyde Park
    Henry VIII acquired the manor of Hyde in 1536 and enclosed it as a deer park for hunting. James I provided limited access to gentlefolk, and in 1637 Charles I opened it to the general public.]

  84. About 10 days ago, some ignoramus claimed that the expression “Infowars journalist” was an oxymoron.

    Info wars originated a story yesterday that the the US Justice Department [Eric Holder presiding! : ) ] has launched a covert attack on gun shops (do we still have those in Euro Region X?) by arranging for the banks to deny them credit facilities and other banking services necessary to the conduct of thir business. This as part of course of the White House gangsters’ attempt to undermine and circumvent the 2nd Amendmend to the US Constitution.

    Fortunately, this does not affect United Kingdom subjects and we can therefore safely ignore the story and so continue to deny the existence of Infowars journalism.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

  85. Robert Tosh Plumlee, a CIA contractor since 1957 and whistle-blower on the Iran-Contra scandal under Reagan, confirmed on the Alex Jones Show on 1st May, that Benghazi was a hit operation to assassinate Ambassador Stevens before he could testify to Congress over his unhappiness that the US government was secretly running arms to muslim rebels ot 100% in love with the United States.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_4107426129&feature=iv&src_vid=JwEWd1yXaDs&v=OZsfl7mzrEo

  86. I have to say something about what I read here about Peaches Geldof; in the first place I cannot conceive of why she or her family should be in these pages as the normal concerns here are to do with those who have ruined our country in the widest sense (social, political, ecomomic and legal etc.). Neither can I see why such abuse is heaped on a hapless and helpless young woman who as far as I know has never hurt anyone in the public. Neither have the Geldofs in general? I have zero tolerance for drugs and users and despise it desperately, but that does not mean that I lack any empathy, sympathy and just downright human sorrow that another young life lost. Who knows and who can judge her hmmm? Save the anger and ire for those who really deserve it.

  87. Jeremy Clarkson is in it again for using the word nigger and outrage is suppurating over the media. What he said was uttered two years ago and not transmitted. A humourless Labour goon has been on the box demanding the man be sacked, inevitable. Once more the PC brigade is attempting to control what people say, and this is the issue here, freedom of speech and the determination of the self appointed guardians of public morals to take offence on behalf of others. This non event stinks, Clarkson is undoubtedly being stitched up. So some will be genuinely offended at what the man said, so what? I have been referred as a sheepshagger and have survived the experience.

  88. SheilaT – may I be the first to point out to you that Saint Bob is a sanctimonious prat who stated live on air “Give us yer feckin’ money”

    Having got enough cash, him and Bono managed to ineptly spread it out amongst the non-deserving in Africa with some ending up in the hands of those causing the problems and providing them with more arms (allegedly).

    He has lived and supported an anti-establishment lifestyle and his family has suffered (unnecessarily?) from it.

    Those who attack him here do not need a failed Irish popstar (and a ‘successful’ Irish popstar) as their collective conscience.

  89. SheilaT
    May 2nd, 2014 – 07:21
    Sheila, I agree that we should always feel compassion, and try not to judge others, until we are in their place. Ypu write as follows:
    “Neither can I see why such abuse is heaped on a hapless and helpless young woman who as far as I know has never hurt anyone in the public. Neither have the Geldofs in general”? Actually, they, and their ilk have contributed to the immoral, druggie, “entitlement” ethos which plagues this country, especially the young and susceptible. This misguided young woman was the child of a drug-addicted mother, and the sins of this life style will now tragically very likely fall on the third generation, namely her young children. I have to agree with Clear Memories (08:07) about the Geldofs, but of course I do feel pity for a very stupid and misguided young mother.

  90. Anne WK, thank you for your reply, in fact you have touched on a point that I think has very more important, if not frightening implications for our wider society and also is the basis for the kind of debate I would expect here. It is not just Peaches but it would seem to be an endless list of celebrated and famous people who die, or are hobbled by drugs but yet the media tends to make this appear glamorous or even something we should expect. While as we know in homes, schools, work places ordinary people are the victim of drugs. No one (as far as I know) ever talks, discusses or indicates where these drugs originate from. By that I mean real talk and real discussion, but that would not be PC! Yet some years ago I recall our troops in Afghanistan highlighted the problem – the poppy farmers are probably laughing at yet another means to finish off the west. Any focus on a particular family is for me not the most important aspect of drugs for which I have a loathing and no sympathy. But I do pity the victims.

  91. SheilaT
    May 2nd, 2014 – 08:55
    Thanks for your posting. I can not speak for everyone here, but I believe most posters, who are serious and intelligent people are concerned by the very issues you mention. This cult of death is glamourised, and the source(s) of the drug are the sworn enemies of Western culture, religion and family life. The PC brigade are either purposely or mindlessly playing into the hands of the enemy.

  92. stephen maybery
    May 2nd, 2014 – 07:44

    Was Mr. Clarkson talking about Guy Gibson’s dog?

  93. Malfleur,
    Naughty naughty. What are you trying to suggest? Everyone knows that in the new version of the film the poor mutt has been renamed chalky.

  94. SheilaT
    May 2nd, 2014 – 08:55

    I think you will find that the truly incorrect position, which I have stated here previously, is that it is not just the poppy farmers who are laughing all the way to the bank but also, in Afghanistan, US government agencies.

    Tosh Plumlee, in the link which I gave here earlier today, also recounts that years ago and as a CIA contractor, he flew 40 tons of cocaine into the USA. I doubt that his is an isolated case.

    As we also know, banks such as HSBC have been found guilty in court of money-laundering for drug cartels (and terrorists) though no HSBC bank officer has been jailed. Whether there is a close relationship between such banks and government is another matter.

    The information showing government involvement in drug trafficking is available, but political correctness, to put it at its politest, prevents this information from being widely disseminated.

    A well-argued case has been made that drugs remain illegal because illegality supports the price and permits a largely government monopoly in the business. which legalisation would undermine.

  95. SheilaT and AWK:- I detest and abhor the drug culture that has been glamourized and remains de rigeur among the chatterati and is allowed to flourish by the judiciary. Further, it is championed and lauded by the likes of Geldof, who might now consider his louche position and, having lost a wife and daughter, work to do something good for the youth of his own nation as well as Africa. Does he have the guts to produce a single attacking the drug culture? How many bands could he sign up for a Band Aid-type event against drug use? Would the BBC fall over itself and clear the airwaves to show it? I won’t ‘old me breff!

    Having worked closely with the UK Police in this issue, I know the ground level Officers share my view, but they (especially the undercover guys) are continually let down by their seniors, Judges and parliament itself.

    Schoolchildren should be shown where these drugs are manufactured, the filthy hovels and insanitary scumbags that manufacture what they put buy to get high. Amphetamines, for example, require Ether, Hydrochloric Acid and Phosphorous – all difficult chemicals to obtain, with the sale monitored.

    So shrewd drug manufacturers buy brick cleaner for the acid, matches by the gross to extract the phosphorus and cans of EasyStart to supply the Ether. None of these are pharmaceutical grade and carry all sorts of risks, both during production and to the end user.

    It is my personnel belief that all seized drugs should be mixed with strychnine or some other fast-acting and terminal poison and allowed on their way. A few dead junkies and warfare between dealers and those that exploit would be a small price to pay to start bringing this vile pastime under control.

  96. Sheila T

    ” I cannot conceive of why she or her family should be in these pages as the normal concerns here are to do with those who have ruined our country in the widest sense (social, political, ecomomic and legal etc.).”

    One reason for discussing her tragedy here was that elsewhere a hypothesis had been proposed, which has not yet been tested against the facts, that Miss Geldorf was murdered for outing paedophiles who, it has further been hypothesized, form rings within and protected by the political class which has been the cause of that ruin.

    I do not personally have a view on whether there is any basis for the hypothesis, but it is not a taste for the lurid that has raised her unhappy case on the Wall.

  97. stephen maybery

    Ah, you must be talking about the character, Snoop Gibson?

  98. Clear Memories
    May 2nd, 2014 – 11:17
    Truly horrible. I am not in the least surprised by what you write, believing “I know the ground level Officers share my view, but they (especially the undercover guys) are continually let down by their seniors, Judges and parliament itself.” For a long time, I have become convinced that the judiciary and most of parliament is actively corrupt. This goes back many years, and in modern times we need just recall Lord Boothby, his relationship with Harold Macmillan’s wife, and the Kray brothers. Truly sickening. The judgements given to offenders and the extreme compassion for only the criminal and not the victim are another example.

  100. What’s this I just heard on the Michael Savage show (1st May) that Subway in England had dropped the bacon and ham from the menu to comply the halal?

    Boycott Subway.

  101. “The Prime Minister used an appearance on local radio in Birmingham to make a joke about the UK Independence Party leader’s failure to take on the Conservatives in an election prompted by the resignation of Patrick Mercer.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10803168/David-Cameron-Nigel-Farage-is-a-chicken.html

    So it does look like the Tories laid a trap, which Nigel has deftly avoided! Why else would he be commenting on the Fruit Cake Party!

    “A fruit cake (or fruitcake) is a cake made with chopped candied fruit and/or dried fruit, nuts, and spices, and (optionally) soaked in spirits.”

    Except that it is not optional, it’s mandatory!

  102. Clear Memories and Malfleur, thank you for your insight into the gross and corrupt drug industry and culture some of which I have witnessed at first hand myself. Even so it fills me with horror especially as there is quite clearly no will on the part of any of the so called leaders (what a laugh) of this country or any other prominant person(s); they are all in it and using it.
    Anne WK you are correct we are now such a sick society that compassion is reserved only for the most beastial, criminal and corrupt, the victims hardly get a look in (I haven’t followed the trial of that moaning, whining, pewking bloke in S. Africa but it is all about him and not who he killed – what is the bet he gets off).

  103. The two year old Clarkson video is SOOOOO much more important than either of these three leads:

    Hundreds of girls abducted from Nigerian school in night ‘have been sold to Islamic militants as wives for £8 each’
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616437/Hundreds-girls-abducted-Nigerian-school-night-sold-Islamic-militants-wives-8-each.html

    “An email from Barack Obama’s deputy national security adviser, Ben Rhodes, shows him coaching then-ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice on what to say on the Sunday TV shows following the co-ordinated terrorist attack on the US consulate in Benghazi, in which four Americans were killed.

    Blame an anti-Muslim video, the email suggested – not the weak president or the terrorists:”

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/the_memo_which_shows_the_white_house_lying_about_benghazi/

    “A veteran of the Obama protection detail in the U.S. Secret Service says the Obama administration is setting all sorts of records.

    And they aren’t good.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/phony-scandals-dont-come-home-in-body-bags/

  104. A little more on Jeremy Clarkson: what does it mean that blacks are allowed to call themselves niggers?

    When I was a little boy,in order to decide who got the last sweet on the playground for instance, I used to chant eenie-meenie-minie-mo,catch a nigger by his toe, if he hollas let him go, eenie meenie minie mo; O-U-T-spells OUT, so out you must go!

    Anybody remember that? We were racists then? Are we now? Come on, rubbish then and rubbish now! No more political correcness!

    That was objectionable in American lingo, not English. When the US army came to England during the war with their segregated units, they were shocked to find out own military was integrated.

    We should oppose this political correctness which is a form of mind control wherever it occurs, by using the politically incorrect expressions freely to express our thoughts.

  106. Anne Wotana Kaye 1May 2nd, 2014 – 08:39

    Anne you wrote in your reply to Sheila T May 2nd, 2014 – 07:21

    “Actually, they, and their ilk have contributed to the immoral, druggie, “entitlement” ethos which plagues this country, especially the young and susceptible.”

    I entirely agree. To read the whole of Sheila T’s post one would think that she and her wider family should not share in any blame for her tragic death.

    My morning paper says that the police are anxious to interview her husband and others in the family, because by the time the police arrived they could find no trace or evidence of drug user’s paraphernalia, it was as though the house had been swept clean.

    It was also mentioned that her husband had stayed away for the four previous night’s and his father had returned with the youngest child the day before, therefore she who according to Sheila T must not be criticised, overdosed on heroin whilst being in sole charge of a one year old.

    It sickens me, her actions were entirely selfish, it also sickens me that this modern PC world we inhabit does not allow any criticism no one can be blamed for anything.

  107. Malfleur May 2nd, 2014 – 11:57

    “What’s this I just heard on the Michael Savage show (1st May) that Subway in England had dropped the bacon and ham from the menu to comply the halal? Boycott Subway.”

    It is worse than that, they are replacing bacon and ham with “turkey ham and bacon” where this is in operation the Subway shops that are effected are displaying notices on the windows and by the tills that halal meat is in use.

    Subway now tell us that their halal meat comes from animals that are stunned prior to slaughter, this is either a downright lie or else woeful lack of knowledge on their part because NO HALAL MEAT is ever stunned prior to being slaughtered,

  108. It is dawning on more and more people just how much of a mess we are in:

    Head teachers raise ‘serious concerns’ over Islamic school take-over

    “Russell Hobby, the general secretary, also warned that the action was unlikely to be “limited to Birmingham” and may have spread to other areas, adding: “I think it is connected into the large cities around the country.”
    …
    The NAHT comments represent the first time that a major teachers’ organisation has confirmed the existence of concerns over an alleged Islamic “take-over” of schools.
    …
    The Telegraph has already told how at least six of the schools probed by Ofsted are likely to be branded as inadequate.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10804289/Head-teachers-raise-serious-concerns-over-Islamic-school-take-over.html

    Inadequate? They mean alien and regime changing!

  109. David Ossitt
    May 2nd, 2014 – 16:14
    David, it really is sickening, but on the bright side….THE POLICE SAY CRIME IS GOING DOWN!!!!!!! Ah well, if you want to tell a lie, tell a big one. Have a good Bank Holiday.

  111. Peter’s friend has another go at Putin, the use of a video compilation of groups of religious fruitcakes somewhat devalues the argument that opposition in Russia is non existent, some of the nutters are less than complimentary of the KGB colonel. He then tries to suggests Putin’s not that different than the religious freaks, which is a weak argument, there are shades to nationalism and patriotism, a dose here and there comes useful to all politicians when they need it in many a country, ours included.

    On the other hand, if one wanted to, one could similarly argue the gatherings of Muslim extremists here represent the views of the many, either of the Islamic variety or the hoi polloi in general, which they don’t.

    What he and others fail to comprehend is that the qualified admiration of the one who loves to strip to the waist isn’t so much because people would like to live in Putin’s Russia as because people have been pissed off living in a country that is becoming like Russia only by different means, e.g. curtailing of our freedoms, adulation of the non-democratic EU’s usurping more and more powers, the destruction of a way of life based on the consensus of the many with that imposed by the anointed few, who favour unlimited immigration, PC, moral relativism …..

  112. Baron – 19:28 ‘cnsnews’
    A good presentation, in fact, applicable for all. Our parents knew this, and our parents’ parents.

    But it is even more subtle than that. The young do not understand that those who have only worked in average jobs, lived in average houses, with averages lives still had to strive, work hard, think for themselves and work against all odds, instead of riding a popular wave of easy gain, and overcome repeated failure, just to be average.

    Yes, just to be average!

  114. Austin Barry

    “…comments from the ungrateful rabble are forbidden…”.

    I understand this is because the media has discovered that comments following an article are disproportionately influential measured against ther article itself…

  115. “How can Max Clifford have got 8 years for indecent assault?’

    I would suggest that the court in this kind of case simply order the police to strip the guilty party naked, taser him with 50,000 volts, release the CCTV footage to the public and let him go. It’s the modern way and consistent with “austerity”.

  118. Important breaking news in the Daily Wail main headline:

    “The princes pay homage to the King: William and Harry enjoy a private tour of Graceland ahead of friend’s high-society wedding”

  119. The penny is dropping, even further:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10804289/Head-teachers-raise-serious-concerns-over-Islamic-school-take-over.html

    “Areas of “collective concern” included “pressure” on heads to adopt “certain philosophies and approaches” and over the appointment of teachers, he said.
    In a few cases, schools risked “eroding the basic entitlement of children to a rounded education”, he added.”

    So all cultures are not equal?

  120. In The Times, Matthew Parris is having a hissy fit, but it does come to all Tories, eventually:

    “The Tory leadership must stand up to Nigel Farage and persuade voters not to fall for his dangerous populism”

    Dangerous to whom? I know politicians haven’t been popular, since the last century, but it might catch on in this one

  121. Max Clifford gets eight years, something iffy here. The savagery of the sentence suggests official vengeance for the failure to pursue such as Saville and Smith. I carry no torch for Clifford, I hold he and his ilk in absolute contempt, but he is merely a symptom of the debauched society which has been created out of what was until relatively recently a homogenous polity with a clear understanding of what was right and wrong. Secondly what were those women doing in the office of someone like Clifford? They certainly were not in search of spiritual guidance. Clifford gets eight, many violent thugs get far less, especially if they are immigrants.

  122. So, Gerry Adams is being held for a further 48 hours. Is this in order that the authorities can investigate the charges, or because they are searching for an excuse to get him off the hook and off their hands? I am not chairman of the Whitechapel branch of the Cynical sods Society for nothing.

  123. Peter from Maidstone @ 23:19

    The drug gang may have made some of those who are now dealing with them happy, who knows, Peter, poor Max has made many enemies, they are repaying him now.

  124. This is another clip furnished by Baron’s American friend, it takes more than five minutes, the delivery is calm until towards the end where the good judge’s rhetorical skills allow for his voice to rise.

    As you listen to his explaining the execution of the warrants under the Patriot Act, ask yourself ‘which government is more dictatorial, the one run by the messiah, or the one presided over by Vlad?’

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/7n2m-X7OIuY

  125. I have one thought only about the Max Clifford affair. Clifford is being imprisoned for a very long time to salve the consciences of the greedy parents who pimped their daughters, who were hardly fragrant innocents.

  126. stephen mayberry [07-19] and to whom it may concern:

    There are a lot of good men in the PSNI determined to bring that murdering bastard down.If they can not bring about a meaningful punishment,at least they can name and shame.

    It blew-up when the late Delours Price said she took Mrs. McConville over the Border on his orders;she turnind against him for having betrayed the cause with the Belfast Agreement [the supposed `good friday agreement`].

    Accounts of the Boston [Mass.] Oral history Archive and its relevance to this should be found at the link below.

    http://www.historyireland.com/?s=Jean+McConville

  127. AWK1 3rd, – 09:54

    “I have one thought only about the Max Clifford affair.”

    Indeed, Anne. He is a conceited, unpleasant tosser, but that’s not a crime. But it seems to have made him enough enemies in high places…people who have the ear of the judge and the ability to convince him to pass a disproportionate sentence. And as for the quivering-lipped ‘victims’ who repeatedly came back for more…

  129. It should read ‘all of us are’ ….’, sorry for the error, Baron is losing it.

  130. Ostrich (occasionally)
    May 3rd, 2014 – 14:45
    Yes, there are some awful people in power. That Briscoe woman is typical of the rotten judiciary. Wonder how she will fare in gaol? 🙂

  131. Ostrich (occasionally)
    May 3rd, 2014 – 14:45

    “I have one thought only about the Max Clifford affair.”…………
    …… And as for the quivering-lipped ‘victims’ who repeatedly came back for more…

    Ostrich, your last sentence reminds me of a line from the show “Chicago”.
    A woman is trying to justify murdering her husband. “He ran into my knife. He ran into my knife ten times”.

    Clifford’s sentence is definitely far too severe. Like everyone else here, I think he is pretty contemptible, but he doesn’t deserve eight years, or anything near it. Hope he appeals and is successful.

    Some years ago, a man murdered his wife (her body was found dumped in Wast Water, Lake District). He was found guilty and given FOUR years.

  132. In his book Practical Idealism, Coudenhof-Kalergi indicates that the residents of the future “United States of Europe” will not be the People of the Old Continent, but a kind of sub-humans, products of miscegenation. He clearly states that the peoples of Europe should interbreed with Asians and colored races, thus creating a multinational flock with no quality and easily controlled by the ruling elite.

  134. Peter, have you any update on Frank P’s whereabouts and welfare?

    He’s been AWOL for quite a while now…I hope it’s a darn’ good holiday he’s having…

    😉

  135. Baron
    May 3rd, 2014 – 09:54

    Thanks for the link to the speech by Judge Andrew Napolitano. I first came across him when I picked up The Constitution in Exile in a second-hand bookstore a couple of years ago.

    His exposition of how the Federal Government of the United Sates exerted and extended its grip on the states, despite a lack of authority, by mis-interpreting a reference in the Constitution to a federal power to “regulate” inter-state commerce, parallels in an uncanny and sinister way how the unelected of Brussels have developed modest ideas for a free market into a racket for the federalisation of Europe.

    And not by eastern windows only,
    When daylight comes, comes in the light;
    In front the sun climbs slow, how slowly!
    But westward, look, the land is bright!

    “The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a massive new international trade pact being pushed by the U.S. government at the behest of transnational corporations. The TPP is already being negotiated between the United States, Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Canada, Chile, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, Vietnam, and most recently, Japan — which together cover approximately 40% of the global economy. But it is also specifically intended as a “docking agreement” that other Pacific Rim countries would join over time, with the Philippines, Thailand, Colombia and others already expressing interest. It is poised to become the largest Free Trade Agreement in the world.”

    http://www.citizenstrade.org/ctc/trade-policies/tpp-potential-trade-policy-problems/

    Yes, folks, a common market…

  136. City fights new Trojan Horse Islamic schools plot
    An attempted takeover of Muslim-majority state schools in Bradford by a group linked to the “Trojan Horse” plotters is being opposed by teachers in the city

    “Video footage seen by the Telegraph, the man accused of being at the centre of the Bradford plot, Faisal Khan, describes how he and his colleagues have worked for a ‘number of years’ to ‘change the head teacher’ at schools in the city”

    “Teachers in Bradford are fighting to prevent a takeover of Muslim-majority state schools by a group closely linked to the alleged “Trojan Horse” plotters in Birmingham.

    Two successful head teachers in the Yorkshire city have left their jobs and a third has been subject to “constant” criticism by governors trying to “drive her out”, staff at the schools concerned said.

    One of the departed heads said she had been the victim of an “attempted coup” by “dementors [evil characters]” and people “working against me, overtly and covertly”.

    The entire governing body at another Bradford secondary school has been sacked by the local council as it attempts to tackle the problem.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/10806862/City-fights-new-Trojan-Horse-Islamic-schools-plot.html

    I expect it’s all ‘allegedly’, but we are witnessing people realising that multiculturalism is a step into the uncontrollable and it may become difficult to understand what is happening on the front line.

  138. A Tory candidate has resigned from the party after posting anti-Islamic and homophobic comments on Twitter.

    David Bishop, a candidate in Brentwood South, Essex, apologised after retweeting messages, including one that claimed Islam was the religion of rape.

    “I have let myself and my party down,” Mr Bishop, who has resigned with immediate effect, said in a statement.
    SEEN ON THE BBC WEB. WITH SO MANY RESIGNING, WILL THERE BE ANYBODY LEFT?

  139. Anne,
    WILL THERE BE ANYBODY LEFT? Yes, there will and they will all be bloody Muslims. Not to worry, eighteen days to F day, and then the fight back starts. I saw a marvellous programme on Australia last night, a country very close to my heart, I lived there for six years, they do not seem to have too much trouble with Muslims down there, and that is because the Ozzies, including a Prime Minister have stated unequivocally “If you do not like Australia then go and live somewhere else” No Lenny Henrys in that neck of the woods.

  140. stephen maybery
    May 4th, 2014 – 09:12
    Stephen, I’ve never visited Australia but I’m sure I would love it. Read masses of Patrick White and it sounds wonderful.

  141. Stephen Mayberry/AWK1

    Australia?? It’s terrible now. Don’t know why I spent so much to come here. Wall to wall sunshine, snakes, spiders and knee-deep in whinging poms.

    Actually, it’s brilliant, but we try to keep it quiet or it’ll fill up like the UK. Islam can’t really get a grip here because, by and large, Aussies haven’t succumbed to political correctness in the way the UK has. For example, having a cold is ‘catching the wog’ and aborigines are simply ‘blacks’ or ‘blackmen’. It seems everyone is Australian first, whatever they were second. And everyone is known by their stereotype pejorative – pom, dago, spic -whatever. Of course, we don’t have any N*****s – they all stay in the US and UK where they can benefit from positive discrimination and the bounty they derive from white guilt. There are some Africans here, mainly asylum seekers from Sudan under UN programmes but they have become such a source of unlawfulness and societal divisiveness, I suspect we won’t be seeing too many more granted residence.

    And as for the boat invaders claiming asylum, no boats for 4 months under the new government. Those that had got here were rounded up and shipped to Papua New Guinea whist their asylum claims were processed. They and all future arrivals have been warned that, even if they are genuine asylum seekers, they will be handed to the UN and will NEVER be granted residency in Australia – that is reserved for those that follow the correct channels. And the cost of dealing with the illegals is taken from the foreign aid budget. Perhaps England could do a deal with Scotland (cf PNG) – send all the asylum seekers to some intemperate Hebridean Isle whilst they are processed, accommodate them in tents and warn them they’ll never be settled in England, Wales or Ireland. It has been noted very few break out of the camps in PNG. Allegedly, the locals see them as a new food source! This week, the majority of the Iranians asked to be returned to Tehran.

    Europe is too damned soft!

  142. So we now have CMD vowing to clear the classrooms of ‘Islamism’:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619893/Now-schools-Bradford-fighting-Trojan-Horse-style-plots-two-headteachers-left-jobs-one-fears-driven-David-Cameron-vows-clear-classrooms-Islamism.html

    He still doesn’t get it!

    What has his government, and the previous government, been doing while “… Faisal Khan … and his colleagues have worked for a ‘number of years’ to ‘change the head teacher’ at schools in the city” ?

  143. Clear memories

    Excellent post. The alternative to Scotland, and possibly first choice, is of course the Mexican border where the illegals could cross through the open door into the USA without undue difficulty where, along with 30 million (or is it 60 million) others, they will shortly be granted amnesty by the Obama administration supported by the Republican Party. There they can receive benefits at the expense of the few Americans still working in return for voting Democrat in 2016.

    What do the Papuan New Guineans think about all this btw?

  146. Malfleur, I am disappointed that Gerry Adams has not yet been charged, but we may still hope that the file sent to the CPS will result in a charge being brought so that his innocence can be tested in court.

    I hope that some of his friends will also be able to share the same testing of their complete innocence.

  147. Peter from Maidstone

    I just noticed the last paragraph of Peter Hitchens’ column today in the DM:

    “If anyone is charged, tried and convicted for the murder of Jean McConville during the Irish Troubles, what will happen to that person? If I have correctly understood the 1998 Northern Ireland (Sentences) Act, my belief is that he or she would serve a maximum prison sentence of two years. When I asked the Northern Ireland Office if I was right, they issued a panicky refusal to comment.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2619616/PETER-HITCHENS-Theyve-killed-marriage-hopes-happy-life.html#ixzz30n0lQCOG

  149. “…What’s really scaring that LibLabCon political class right now is that once the voting public has tasted red meat, it might want more of it. In Game of Thrones terms, this is the moment when Daenerys Stormborn shows the slaves in the city the broken shackles of those she has already freed – and the possibility begins to dawn that maybe, just maybe, there’s an alternative to the life of serfdom they had hitherto thought would be theirs till death.

    The repercussions of this are going to extend far beyond Europe, for the issues are not local but global. Put simply it’s about a basic question of at least as much concern to Americans as it is to Europeans: is government your servant or is it your master?…”. [Ibid.]

  150. Malfleur – it is my understanding that the Australian Government are making funds available to the PNG government to help manage the Camps and accept any asylum seekers who qualify for settlement – of course, none do as (a) they are virtually all economic invaders and (b) they are not prepared to accept settlement in PNG. They could, of course, apply for asylum when they reach Indonesia but, like the hordes that swarm across Europe to England, their target is Australia solely for economic reasons, nothing to do with politics/safety.

    As for Scotland, (and assuming they choose to go their own way) if the English have any sense, they will look at the US/Mexico border and build a bloody great wall, with a clear, mined kill zone of the UK side and proper, manned border posts. If this damages Scottish tourism, tough! Any asylum seekers discovered in the UK should be assumed to have entered via Scottish waters and simply dumped over the border. The Scots will soon learn to up their game and protect their borders.

    I see no reason to maintain the National Grid north of the border, nor telecoms lines, unless they benefit England and Wales. Those of Scottish descent living in the UK must be given the choice to become English citizens or formerly apply for permission to live in the UK as would any other foreign national. Let us be perfectly clear, choosing to leave the Union is a Scottish choice. They cannot complain if the nations they reject react in ways ranging from self-protection to spite. I assume English north of the border will choose to come home as it will be clear they are not welcome (just as they suffer prejudice now). One assumes they will be able to make use of the existing laws to sue for discrimination, or will Scotland scrap it’s equality laws to allow them to continue their anti-English attitudes? Anyone who has visited will tell you they are the vilest bigots where the English are concerned, acting and speaking in a manner that would not be tolerated anywhere else and would lead to legal action were the recipients of their bile not white.

  151. See Huhne has a piece in the guardian. They really deserve to go bust -disgusting rag.
    And he is trying to say it wasnt his fault.
    he deserves a good slap.

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