The Coffee House Wall – 28th/4th October

Posted on September 28, 2015

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254 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 28th/4th October”

  2. Frank P, September 28th, 2015 – 01:19

    A picture, or rather a cartoon in this case, can be worth a thousand words.
    Humour is a power weapon.

  6. EC (09:36)

    That DE report has a subliminal rationale that we can defeat ISIS if we accept shedloads of migrants. FTFAGOS!!

    I rather prefer Richard Kemp’s assertion. A few determined British and US troops on the ground could rout the fucking rabble in short order and they can bury them in the desert, rather then letting them reform in cells across Europe and America and thereby destroying OUR economies (or rather what’s left of them) in the process. Who is pulling Bill Syke’s great-grand-daughter’s pisser, I wonder?

  7. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-evil-empire-of-saudi-arabia-is-the-west-s-real-enemy-a6669531.html

    and they were the ones of course who conspired with elements in the US government to blow up the World Trade Centre ( and Building 7)

    How do I know? Well, apart from the old trick of putting two and two together, read Part 4: Finding, Discussion and Narrative Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters of the official report of the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 which starts at page 395 and goes on for a further 28 pages…

    oh, gosh, silly of me – those 28 pages haven’t yet been published…I’m sure there’s a good reason why not. There’s a good reason for everything our governments do… like authorizing an extension of police stop-and-search powers to include searches without reasonable suspicion of members of a group exercising its constitutional right to peaceably assemble to call for the redress of grievances such as failure to curb muslim grooming rings…I’m not sure what the reason is but that is because either I can’t be arsed or am too scared to find out, or that I am too stupid to imagine, or that I simply believe that everything is awesome, everything is cool, when you’re part of a team,everything is awesome when we’re living our dream.

  11. EC 2 09:44

    A Moot Point
    How to prosecute or defend in a libel action involving allegations that a person did or did not, on a certain date, put his testicles (some reports say penis) in the mouth of a dead pig? “I seen it wiv my own eyes, m’lud!” (Some vulgarians say, and those here who remember Verity’s simile for the PM’s mouth would agree, that if correct it must have been a mighty small pig.)

    This, if veracity rules, can no doubt be filed under “Youthful Follies” rather than be understood as a precocious taste for bestiality and, given the company that young Cameron kept, was probably done merely for a bet. In the old days it used to be running off with a police constable’s helmet. It reflects equally, if not more so, on the embittered imagination of the leading Conservative who made the allegations and scarcely does that man honour.

    In Montefiore’s book on Stalin, having reached the Tehran Conference, in which Roosevelt disgraced himself in an early anticipation of the collapse of the American republic in teaming up with Stalin against Churchill, I cannot help but draw metaphorical implications from the Cameron/Ashcroft brouhaha to the dire straits of England which British politics has led the country into when I recall the account of the incident which occurred at the turning point of the Battle of Stalingrad following which Montefiore allows himself a brief editorial comment.

    Stalin is returning in convoy from a visit to the front. Or rather from a visit to the pastiche of a command post erected for the occasion among trees a saf distance from the actual fighting.

    “Suddenly the cars stopped.”(Mikoyan’s account) Stalin needed to defecate and getting out of the car”asked ‘whether the bushes along the roadside were mined. Of course no one could give such a guarantee…Then the Supreme-Commander-in-Chief pulled down his trousers in everyone’s presence.’ In a metaphorical commentary on the treatment of the Soviet people, and his performance as military commander, he ‘shamed himself in front of his generals and officers…and did his business there on the road’.

  12. “In the old days it used to be running off with a police constable’s helmet.”

    That would have been the criminal offence of theft. In the old days it was more usually knocking the police constable’s hat off and then running away. The hat being a sort of top hat then. The knocking off of the hat was said to escape the definition of common assault because the constable was unaware of the impending blow and therefore could not “apprehend or fear that force was about to be used to cause some degree of personal contact and possible injury”. There was no battery because no contact was made with the constable’s actual person. There were also no grounds for arrest. Police constables were advised that pursuing the young toffs whilst hatless was an indignity and therefore the jape was largely tolerated. Hatless police constables taking hold off and scuffling with hat knocking off young toffs could have been construed as a police assault instead.

    Even today police have to employ the Ways and Means Act to deal with such japes:-

    http://www.berwick-advertiser.co.uk/news/local-news/all-news/policeman-didn-t-laugh-at-losing-his-helmet-1-1871377

  13. Frank P @ 10:20

    Not sure what point you are not making, Frank – but until evidence is adduced to the contrary I will assume the tone to be unfriendly.

  14. The Barnabas Fund gets a mention:

    Genocide of the Christian Martyrs laid bare: Sick ISIS butchers CRUCIFY thousands in Syria

    SPECIAL REPORT: We realise that many readers will find this image shocking, but feel it is vital to show the true horror of ISIS. And now a Jewish survivor of Nazi terror is leading the crusade to rescue the Christian Martyrs.

    “So far the charity, the Barnabas Fund, has liberated 158 Christians from Syria and found them a new home in Poland.”

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/608224/christian-martyrs-George-Weidenfeld-Patrick-Sookhdeo-Syria-Barnabus-Fund-relocate-charity

  15. Colonel Mustard @ 12:07

    “That would have been the criminal offence of theft.”

    Yes, for which penalty would have been £5, as Bertie Wooster discovered on Boat Race night – and Sir Roderick Spode, leader of the Black Shorts, admits to having fallen into a similar folly while at Oxford. Was it Gussie Fink-Nottle who escaped similar punishment by taking refuge with the helmet in The Drone Club? I can’t remember. I think the last time I read one of those books was in the back row of my Latin class. I really should re-read them.

    I was writing of younger old days between the wars; but thank you for the informative post!

  16. RobertC @ 13:09

    All the more shameful is it that ISIS is a western creation. These Christians are genuine candidates for asylum in England. ‘One persecuted Christian or Jew in; 10 ISIS supporters out” would be a formula to kick off with.

  17. This post has immediately deleted by CH, so I must have done something wrong 🙂

    Cameron hasn’t even started renegotiations!

    And how can we expect a sound result when the EU Elite show such contempt:

    We don’t care about migrant impact, says EU chief
    “The commissioner in charge of Europe’s response to the migration crisis has boasted “the political cost means nothing” because the European Union’s Brussels executive does not need to face elections.
    Dimitris Avramopoulos, a former Greek foreign minister, dismissed concerns that the EU’s botched handling of migration could lead to a surge in far-right parties as a growing popular backlash hits elected governments across Europe.
    The European Commission has faced intense criticism from national governments for focusing on divisive migrants quotas instead of securing the EU’s external borders or making sure Italy and Greece register and fingerprint migrants”
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4570035.ece

  18. Malfleur – 13:28

    Saudi Arabia will soon have plenty of empty tents in which to house those fellow followers 🙂

  21. John Birch:

    It’s only beginning &, as I’m sure you’re aware, the net is now full of interesting information about Europe’s new guests. The report that sticks out for me is the one about the the German volunteers, all around 60, struggling to manhandle tables into a migrant centre. They were watched by young, fit male ‘refugees’ who were sprawled lethargically on chairs & didn’t lift a finger to help. A volunteer grappling with one end of a table asked a young male returning from a shopping expedition to help. Said young man looked at him, then walked away. The words ‘kuffar’ & ‘slave’ come to mind.

    Thinking ahead to the consequences of this influx: we now know that most of the ‘refugees’ are young men. They will want to marry & will have to ‘fetch’ wives from their countries of origin (European states will prevent them from doing this at their peril – the numbers are surely too high to resist). So, double the number of the current influx.

    Meanwhile, these young sexually frustrated men will be a menace, as Sweden has discovered.

  22. Damaris. 18.25.
    As you are aware, I was taking the piss.
    It’s obvious the msm are under orders, nothing must rock the boat.

  25. On the day that Vladimir Putin firmly created a new hegonomy in the Middle East – and appointed himself as the capo di tutti capi, our Baronial buddy is missing and his bete noir over at the Boot camp is, so far, still sharpening his pencil. Bated breath in this neck of the woods, I tell you. I’m all agog, Let’s be ‘having yer, Russki experts!

    I felt less under threat when Khruschev moved his missiles into Cuba and when the CIA tried to set fire to Fidel’s beard – and failed. And when Nuclear Ned, the government’s expert on geiger counters, was training me and others, in darkened basements, on how to deal with the hungry, angry and radio active hordes of London after the nuclear holocaust.☺

    I think those instructions are still subject to the OSA, so I’ll refrain from curdling your blood.

    I hate to think what today’s contingency plans are for civil commotion.

  27. I note that it wouldn’t allow me to drop my aitch in ‘Let’s be ‘aving yer!” also.
    We’ll see what happens in transit this time.

  28. The price of jam is subject to the OSA in Britain today, isn’t it? Well, if it helps to keep us free…

  30. Putin, it appears, is defying the New World Order, not playing a role in the New World Order’s theatricals as some had thought.

  32. An incident occurred today in the Oxford Street Debenham’s Store. A woman “fell” four stories from the elevators and was seriously injured.

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/lots-of-screams-as-woman-falls-four-floors-in-debenhams/ar-AAeSoxc?ocid=spartandhp

    Read the comments. Without knowing any of the facts, the immediate response from a Dianafied public, is “Heartless Debenhams! How dare you continue trading when an accident [or whatever] occurs in you store.”

    Haven’t got much time for Debenhams, their stores or their sales techniques. Have had a few run-ins with them in the past and eventually took my business elsewhere.
    But to suggest they should shut up shop because of an incident of, at this stage anyway, unknown cause, is beyond belief.

    So every time there is a personal injury incident in Oxford Street – nay Greater London at large, let’s close the down the Metropolis and all emote in two days of mourning?

    Jesus H Christ! What ever happened to the stiff upper lip of the British psyche? Shit happens! For the rest of the punters, life must go on. And no doubt Debenhams will be counting the cost of a possible ‘elf ‘n’ safety suit, rather than shutting off revenue for a day.

    Sad for the patient and loved ones. For the rest of you nosey twats, mind you own business. A sea of crocodile tears has engulfed this country in recent years. Not to mention a tsunami of Interflora profits. I can still smell the stench of rotting vegetation in London after the reckless episode leading to death of Diana. It seems it will never disperse.

    As the great Schnozzle Durante declared, “Everybody wants to get in on the Act!”

  36. Frank P September 29th, 2015 – 02:49

    They seem to hold a minute’s silence now for every tragedy which has utterly devalued the two minute’s silence of 11th November, a profound remembrance when I was young.

    They also refer to all service personnel and emergency services/public service workers as ‘Heroes’ when that term used to refer to gallantry medal winners performing extraordinary acts.

    When you go to buy a birthday card there are endless images of teddy bears on them.

    The country is mawkish to extreme and infantilised. I don’t know whether it is a generation thing or something they are putting in the water. The fact that the HoC seems to be largely populated by children doesn’t help.

  37. Frank P, September 29th, 2015 – 00:48

    The Russians met with the Israelis/IDF about 10 days ago to inform/consult/agree what was going to be done in Syria. The Israelis are the only power that merit the Ruskies courtesy. Until Sheikh Obama gets his way, the Israelis only power in the region that can drop their H’s if they so wish.

  38. Frank P – 03:02

    She’s evil undoubtedly, but in truth she looks like the woman behind the counter in my local chippy/petrol station/Debenhams. The press delight in seeking out oddball photos like like in order to satisfy the public’s wish to think that they could’ve spotted the wrong-un all along. The scary truth is that these people look very ordinary and don’t draw attention to themselves.
    Remember Tony Martin, the old fella that shot the pikies who were serial burglars at his property? Anybody would’ve thought that the Mr Martin had only ever had one photo taken in his entire life, because MSM only ever used this one that made him look weird:

    http://snag.gy/ENa1g.jpg

    They used that photo not only to demonise Mr. Martin, but subliminally demonise guns and gun owners in the “minds” of the general public.

    A picture can be worth a thousand words. Remember this one…

    http://snag.gy/rRypq.jpg

  39. Frank P – 02:49

    Not only that, IKEA in Sweden no longer sell kitchen knives – they can be haramful to one’s health dontcha know.

  40. The New Alliance of China, Russia and Iran – take aim at ISIS and other terrorists with a Chinese aircraft carrier, which came through the Suez Canal, in Tartus, with Russian special forces and the Iranian Republican Guard. A joint command centre of Syrian, Chinese, Iranian and Russian forces in Syria! A Joint Operation HQ – Russian, Syrian, Iranian co-ordination centre in BAGHDAD!

    Debka says the Chinese are going to prevent the Uighur fighters with ISIS from getting back to Xinjiang, and Russia the Chechen from getting back to Russia.

    Hear it from Michael Savage (banned from Britain by a left-wing and then a right wing Home Secretary for being Jewish)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2F34Vpp1fA

    And Cameron – how about a Commons investigation into his contribution to this disaster if they are too intimidated to call for one into the agenda of this year’s Bilderberg conference.

    Savage cites the report of a German journalist home from being embedded in ISIS troops and his report of their strategic aim to kill 300 million people.

    “Now we have Russia, China and Iran to the rescue!”

    Over to you Mr. Boot – I think I need some home leave.

  41. ColM:

    I’ve noticed the nauseating proliferation of teddy bears. Adult women now have them on their beds. Mine was exiled to the cupboard when I was about 9 – then disposed of when I was 18. The idiotic Germans collected teddy bears to give to the migrants’ children. Apparently they were discarded.

  42. Frank P
    September 29th, 2015 – 03:02
    We need the death sentence when such horrors are freed and given State protection and new identities to carry on their evil once a minimum time is served. Convinces me that the judicial establishment is filled with perverts and monsters.

  43. Damaris Tighe
    September 29th, 2015 – 10:49
    How dare you! When my beloved Teddy Bear died I was twenty-three, and he was cremated and sent to Valhalla in a ceremony of great sadness. I now own at least twenty Teddy Bears, and the eldest one presides on the bed. The Germans are welcome to send me any bears that need a loving home, they certainly should not send them to the barbaric Syrians who do not merit such sweet companions,

  46. Malfleur (11:13)

    Thanks, don’t know how I missed that. Must’ve been distracted by his later posts on the pope and the porkie prick.

    Shame Baron is busy, but I’m looking forward to his reaction. ☺

  47. anne wotana kaye

    I could “tear up” just at the thought of much-missed Dino, a grey cloth dinosaur,about 24 inches tall (long neck of course – last seen bent with age and abuse) that has been packed away by my wife perhaps for ever because of an excess of fluff to which my daughter is allergic. Dino was abandoned by some rotter in The Pig and Whistle in Taipei, but rescued, adopted, given a new home and loved by two boys and after a pause of some years when a girl found a place for him (her?) in her heart. Boo Hoo!
    I don’t think I could entrust Dino to a Syrian – except perhaps Alex Jones’s “Syrian Girl”.

  49. Anne/Damaris/Colonel.

    Whoops! Sorry. I stirred up a nest of marsupials there, didn’t I?

    Must think of a better cure for insomnia than reading Huffpost. Perhaps I should borrow one of our great-grand-children’s fluffy lambs to clutch instead. Or count their ovine forebears; or, like the song says, count my blessings!

  50. Malfleur
    September 29th, 2015 – 11:41
    A formidable writer, of great respect, I see you also have a heart. A bonne fleur!

  52. anne wotana kaye – 11:02
    “I now own at least twenty Teddy Bears”

    I bet looking after them all is no picnic 🙂

  53. Where DID he come from?

    anne wotana kaye – 11:02
    “I now own at least twenty Teddy Bears”

    I bet looking after them all is no picnic 🙂

  56. Anne, I’m going to tell you a little secret. It was my mother who disposed of my much loved (but banished) ted at age 18. I was very upset.

  57. But, seriously, that’s the point isn’t it? There used to be a line between childhood & adulthood represented by discarding toys & the sentiment that goes with them. This line has eroded.

  58. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

  59. Malfleur
    September 29th, 2015 – 13:31
    Despite quoting the good book 1 Corinthians 13:11, I no longer refer to you as the Bonne Fleur

  62. A failed asylum seeker ordered out of the UK in October 2010 commits a rape in Scotland in May 2014 in a flat provided by the Home Office.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-34392909

    You couldn’t make this stuff up. It’s as though the “authorities” inflict this sort of madness on the British people deliberately and really don’t care about foreign criminals being here illegally. Meanwhile they assiduously patrol ‘social media’ in case anyone objects.

  64. anne wotana kaye @ 15:08

    I like to think that Paul would have made an exception for teddy bears – though he doesn’t give that impression, I agree – perhaps when he was still Saul.

  67. Danish police say a 25-year-old man who was to be deported has been arrested and is suspected of attempted murder for stabbing a police officer in the neck, arm and shoulder in Denmark’s largest asylum center.

    Spokesman Henrik Suhr says the suspect was “a stateless Palestinian,” and the victim, a 56-year-old male officer, was no longer in a life-threatening condition.

    The suspect, who was not named in line with Danish privacy rules, stabbed the policeman after he had entered a room Tuesday before dawn to find out why the lights had been turned on. Suhr added they were investigating what the suspect was doing inside the room at Center Sandholm.

    Newly arrived refugees are registered at the center north of Copenhagen, which also houses those who have had their applications rejected or are waiting to be deported.

    excerpt from:-
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-latest-iraqi-migrant-killed-trying-to-get-to-britain/2015/09/29/a7cc3208-6681-11e5-bdb6-6861f4521205_story.html

  68. Obama says the fight against ISIS will “take some time”. Perhaps because he is not very keen to take them on.

    It is quite remarkable that the military might of the Third Reich was absolutely destroyed within 5 years by the will and weaponry of the 1940s but that in the 21st Century a gang of loudmouthed mediaeval brigands can hold the Western powers and the Arab world to a mexican stand-off as they murder, torture and rape innocents.

    If only the invertebrate politicians “leading” us in Europe could find a tenth of their passion for accommodating “refugees” and tweeting abuse at each other to take on and destroy ISIS.

    I think we might be about to see Russia and China demonstrate how emasculated and incapable the governments of the West have become.

  69. Steyn’s speech – a cri de Coeur – not a word from the MSM. Even Douglas Murray who was there, didn’t feature it in his Spectator column – but chose instead to replay the ‘British Counci”s’ I Squared debate entitled “What the Muslims have done for Us” (I paraphrase).

    Mark mentioned Douglas several times in his speech. Murray damns Mark with faint praise.

    Perhaps its the editorial sieve that played down Mark’s oration. The magazine hasn’t been worth shithouse paper since he left it. Intelligence Squared, my arse!
    The opening introduction was enough for me.

    Are they all ginger or bi at the Speccy now?

  71. Colonel Mustard – September 29th @ 20:03

    “I think we might be about to see Russia and China demonstrate how emasculated and incapable the governments of the West have become.”

    Yes, agreed.

    The lead headline today at Drudge Report shouts

    “NEW WORLD ORDER: PUTIN OUTSMARTS OBAMA”

    The article which reflects that headline has its own equally strong headline – and opening paragraph:

    “Obama has turned Putin into the world’s most powerful leader

    The baton was officially transferred Monday to the world’s new sole superpower — and Vladimir Putin willingly picked it up…”

    http://nypost.com/2015/09/29/obama-has-turned-putin-into-the-worlds-most-powerful-leader/

    I see this development as pregnant with ambiguity. A slap in the face for the New World Order and its out of control muslim puppets is long overdue as is the re-establishment of order in the Middle East. That it should be rendered by Russia, China and Iran though should make us nervous. As British troops stacked arms after their defeat at the Battle of Yorktown, the American military band played the tune known as “The World Turned Upside Down”.

    And in ‘Waiting for the Barbarians’, Cavafy wrote:

    “…Why this sudden bewilderment, this confusion?
    (How serious people’s faces have become.)
    Why are the streets and squares emptying so rapidly,
    everyone going home lost in thought?

    Because night has fallen and the barbarians haven’t come.
    And some of our men just in from the border say
    there are no barbarians any longer.

    Now what’s going to happen to us without barbarians?
    Those people were a kind of solution.”

  74. Dispossessed

    This man is called Fergus. His surname
    is in another language. You do not need
    to know it.

    This is his room. He lives here
    by himself. He does not have
    enough food.

    These are his wife and children.
    They live a long way off. He sends them money.
    They do not have enough food.

    He goes home once a year. They run to meet him.
    Sometimes they cry, we are told, for happiness.

    He comes back to his room in the city
    where they are not allowed. They stay
    in the hard land where nothing grows.

    Does this discourage him? Who knows? He throws
    no bombs. He breaks no windows. He
    sends home money.

    All his enterprise is
    not forgetting.

    Salmond forgets.
    Sturgeon forgets.
    Should we let them?

  75. Frank P Sept 29th 21.20:

    In fairness to Douglas Murray, he says in his article that he’s posting the Intelligence Squared debate until tapes of the Denmark Free Speech event were received.

  76. Frank P @ 19:05

    The omni-all must have twisted and turned before he typed, with massive padding and qualifications, that the KGB colonel not ‘may have been’ but was, or rather is, right on something, my, my.

    Still, he, Mr. Boot is wrong once again. It was George Orwell who said (Baron quotes fro mmemory) ‘to choose between evil and good is only for those who write novels, short stories, textbooks. In real life, more often than not, we have to choose between two evils’.

    The choice before the West wasn’t whether to leave Saddam to kill his own people or get rid of him, the choice was in what to do after Iraq got invaded, how to dispose of him, whether to be ruthless, do what invading and winning armies have done in the past, or go for the soft, ‘uman rites’ touch.

    Baron has said it so often his lips pain. If only we’ve done what Abdel al-Sisi is doing now in Egypt there would have been no ISIS, no immigration tsunamis, no KGB colonel in the region. The general turned president hanged tens of the fanatical leaders, imprisoned thousands, and voila, Egypt has calmed down. Does anyone objects? If he carries on in the similar fashion, sidelining the religious nutters, quietly eliminating them, replacing them with moderates, he’ll be an Egypt’s hero.

    The three I’s quip sounds attractive, is wide of the market as it can be. The Americans account for just around 5% of the world population, consume some one fifth of the world’s prime energy. On top of it, they must, and do, sense their hegemonic power has been on the wane, the move to the south has accelerated since China unshackled its 1.5bn hungry unwashed, let many to enrich themselves, got its Treasury filled with cash to play with both militarily and diplomatically.

    The last thing a fading superpower needs as its reach and control shrink is domestic unrest (energy shortages would be a perfect trigger for it), and new superpowers emerging offshore. Messing up the ME, Ukraine couldn’t serve the neocons better, the former has plenty of the fossil stuff, the latter is next door to a country with the fifth largest oil reserves, and one that has the guts to challenge American supremacy. Also, wouldn’t a Kremlin government allowing the Americans to station her nuclear hardware on the Russian soil help in contain the land of the Mandarin speakers?

    Far from being idiotic, based on ignorance and driven by ideology, the behaviour of the American political elites is fully comprehendible, it follows Palmerston’s dictum of no permanent friends, enemies, but permanent interests. It serves the Americans to do what they’ve done except they did it badly, not enough thinking went into it, it’s the strategic planning that has to get better, not the idea that underpins it.

    It beggars belief how anyone could say that if Franco in Spain had failed, Stalin would have taken over. The Georgian thug couldn’t take over by force a Western second-hand bookseller in the mid 30’s last century, More to the point, Franco couldn’t have failed to succeed, his side was backed, openly or clandestinely, by the rest of the free world.

    Mr. Boot may relax though, the political clowns that rule the Republic will neither forgive nor forget what the one who like stripping to the waist did. He’ll pay for it, and pay dearly.

  77. Fergus Pickering September 30th, 2015 – 10:01 reads like something telemachus might write. An emotive romanticism of migration blind to the unfortunate reality of Donzo-type events, blind to long term consequences, blind to responsibility towards future generations of the English.

    Is the troll up to his multiple personality mischief again?

  78. Damaris (10:13)

    Malfleur posted the link – why couldn’t Murray? Ask the editor. The Intelligence Squared debate was an anachronism (2010), it was a diversion, not to mention infuriating. We need an implaccable stance against Islam. Its weasel words and taqiyya cunning will be the death of us. There can be no compromise. That’s my point. An hacks tend not to give other hacks credit. Faint praise, as I said.

  79. Baron

    Welcome back, buddy. Missed your input at this crucial period in history. A very interesting post, thank you. I’d like to see you and your adversary debate mano a mano. It would be much more entertaining than watching Obastard and the KGB Colonel’s little run-ins.

  80. Going to London these days requires more than just buying a ticket (the price has been pushed upwards once more, a small amount, but up), boarding a train, enjoying the passing Suffolk countryside, or the crumbling properties near London, it requires courage, a lot of stamina and a measure of self control not to go mad amongst the crop of the rainbow mix of our open border policy. One would have thought then that if one has to also accompany someone marginally older than the barbarian to a place of medical expertise based deep in the heart of the capital, the journey could be anything but pleasant.

    One would be wrong, very wrong. And that’s on a day of a massive signal failure, a built-in feature of Abellio, the Greater Anglia line. Returning, the Liverpool station was packed, at one time, to move from one side of the station to the other would take close to an hour, one could throw a ping-pong ball into the crowd, it wouldn’t touch the station’s floor, the place would have been a heaven for a nutter with a heavy belt full of ammo.

    One could hardly breathe in the coaches, too, as the departures resumed, it amazed Baron the travellers didn’t hang from the doors, climbed to to the top of the coaches, sat there as they do in India. In his many years of travel to the metropolis, yesterday’s must have ranked as one of the worst.

    And the people themselves, the travellers, the office labourers returning to their abodes? How did they behave, you may well ask?

    Impeccably, faultlessly, in perfection, almost to a man. It’s not a lie, the behaviour of the predominantly white crowd was exemplary. Nobody complained, put on a sour face, got angry or nasty to fellow sufferers. On the contrary, Baron’s question to anyone who would listen ‘what would Bradshaw have to say about all this’ received nothing but related, humorous and witty responses. ‘But Bradshaw was writing about Britain’s not Pakistani railways’ was one of them.

    Two jokes were learnt by the barbarian, totally unsuitable for print, one of them from a man with dark skin, the only one around the place Baron sat, then stood, then sat again. He, and a lady of around 60 kept swapping places as the rail contraption was edging its way towards Colchester. The friend of Baron was sitting comfortably throughout the journey, such was the willingness of the younger travellers to let him have their seat he could choose between three seats. Physically, not a particularly uplifting experience, spiritually one of the most enjoyable days of the Autumn days of Baron’s life.

    If this single feature of the British culture – the stoic calmness, good humour, civility in times when calamity strikes – remains unchanged, than this country will be worth living in just for it. Because, and you must trust Baron when he says it, in no other country in the world but Britain would the repeated failures of this magnitude be tolerated in the manner the barbarian encountered yesterday.

  81. Frank P @ 11:32

    You know what, Frank, the last few days have taught taught the barbarian a lesson both valuable and so true. It was that not only one appreciates life fully only when one’s in a genuine shite with really no escape from it, but also that there’s more to life than spending time typing in poor English, talking about stuff one knows next to nothing, pretending one isn’t impotent, one may change something, if not things than minds.

    The one in the above is of course the poorly educated Slav.

  82. The Times: I would never press nuclear button as PM, says Corbyn

    He doesn’t quite get it, does he?

  84. Is there anybody out there?
    Would you care if there were?
    Under a red flag of pretend.
    They are horse and you are spur.

    A man named Karl once wrote a book.
    And it looked real good on paper.
    But it’s one thing for a man to take a look.
    And another thing to rape her.

    Based on good and pure ideas.
    But like love giving away to lust.
    A goverment of the people.
    Is not something you can trust.

    A Man of Steel once said .
    “One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.”
    Was he just being realistic?
    Or was 20 million too much.
    That he just simply lost touch.
    And like Ned Kelly thought “life was such”.

    What of the man named Mao?
    You never here of him now.
    Killed seven times more than Hitler.
    So if the shoe fits ya’.
    When you think red, think dead and don’t bow.

    Sums up Mr T.

  88. Baron@September 30th, 2015 – 12:12

    Abello dont have any signals. The infrastructure is owned and run by network rail, which is state owned. cockups on the railway are usually their fault. And they are rubbish at delivering infrastructure improvements too. Abello just run trains and small stations.

  89. Alexsandr 14-02.
    To be fair to all involved the problem with signals is often gyppos stealing the cables.

  93. Malfleur (14:40)

    My Glaswegian pal always referred to them as ‘segonias’. The sp. and der. of that expression?

    The terms vary from village to village imkotw. My missus calls them tinkers. She’s Irish and was taught to be afraid of them and set the dogs on ’em. (There’s a tee in place there).

  95. Btw

    If Jeremy Corbyn becomes PM – he doesn’t have to worry – I’ll press the feckin’ button! – as soon as the subs have the coordinates lined up on No.10! ☺

  96. It’s only a gut feeling, Frank, but the cumryd may get to the number one slot, not because of his views, policies or whatever, but because the Tories are going to fugg things up, the FPTP electoral system will do the rest.

    On the Trident itself:

    No question about it, we need something to deter the Ruskies, the Mandarin speakers or the growing number of deluded religious nutters. Baron’s in favour of deterrents e.g. capital punishment, provided they’re cost effective e.g. the death penalty again – few feet of rope, a dozen or so bullets, a doze of chemicals.

    Trident seems abit of a luxury, the currently estimated cost is close to what we spend on healthcare annually, may be more when we start re-newing it, costs always go up on projects of this size.

    Four submarines, each equipped with 16 Trident II D-5 ballistic nuclear missiles, each having the destructive power of eight Hiroshima bombs. That’s Trident, and that’s alot of radioactive waste. If all the missiles were to drop successfully on (say) western Russia, there would be no Russia and very likely no Europe either, possibly a greater chunk of the earth may also be contaminated. What use to us or anyone else of such poisoned territory, the high likelihood of air pollution God only knows where else?

    It may be an atavistic take on the nuclear deterrent, but Baron reckons not one of the current world leaders of the leading countries that possess nuclear arsenal would do Truman, not with what we know these evil weapons can do. If, by some chance, anyone were to push the button, the wrath of those who remained breathing, whether on the winning or losing side, would be hard to contain, and it will last.

    The danger is more likely to come from the North Korean madman (Korea has no nuclear weapons, thankfully, and may it stay that way forever), and the religiously inspired nutters in the ME. Do we need Trident to restrained them?

    We should try to find a cheaper alternative, but won’t, the unions won’t have it, it’s jobs, and that trumps almost everything, to have a rational debate about it is near impossible, it’s one of the taboo subjects like immigration.

    It would seem then we’re stuck with Trident.

  97. Frank P @ 14:30

    What a read, Frank, it makes one wish to stay alive forever if only to admire the wit, erudition and courage of Mr. Donovan.

  98. Alexsandr @ 14:02

    Thanks for putting the barbarian on the right track, Alexandr, and another reason we should avoid nationalising anything unless we mind not the systemic pain that comes with it.

  99. Baron (18:39)

    “…but because the Tories are going to fugg things up…”

    Future tense?

    Anyway, whatever Jerry “Pisspot” Corbynski says, I’m agin! No compromise possible with the little Commie shit. Moreover, any man who would enter into congress with Flabbot – and al fresco, to boot, (allegedly) cannot be trusted with his own dick, never mind a nuclear weapon.

    EC’s assertion about choosing the right photo as an ad hom headline is wonderfully illustrated today on the front page of the Barclay Bugle. They won’t let me link it, for some reason. ☺

  100. John birch @ 13:06

    See Baron at 18.55, John, superb, bookmarked, must read from now on, Mr. Donovan’s stuff.

  104. Malfleur @ 00:52

    You may well be right, yet one cannot but view the new realignment of forces in Syria as risky for both the Kremlin and the West. The Russians are as ‘liked’ in the region as are the Americans, even if the two parties consult, co-ordinate, perhaps jointly hit the ISIS the end result may be the opposite of what everyone expects, the religiously inspired nutters may get more backing, not only from the usual suspects with big money, but ordinary Muslims worldwide, too.

    More to the point, the Americans must be seething with rage, the UN Putin show was more than a slap in the face for them, hence the embargo on it in all western MSM, they may yet engineer a trap for the Russians. Baron also expects the results of the MH17 investigation soon, The honorary Muslim may use it as a stick to subdue the jubilant man of the Kremlin.

    Let’s wait and see how it pans out.

  105. Christian and Muslim refugees should be housed separately, says German police chief
    As attacks on Christians in asylum seeker centres increase and religious groups clash, Jörg Radek says refugees should be separately accommodated based on their faith

    “Jörg Radek, deputy head of Germany’s police union, said migrants should be divided, following increasing numbers of attacks on Christians in refugee centres.
    “I think housing separated according to religion makes perfect sense,” Jörg Radek, deputy head of Germany’s police union, told German newspaper Die Welt, particularly for Muslims and Christians.
    Two separate clashes erupted between refugees on Sunday at a temporary migrant shelter in Kassel-Calden in northern Germany left 14 people injured, police said.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11896855/Christian-and-Muslim-refugees-should-be-housed-separately-says-German-police-chief.html

    Yes, refugees should be separately accommodated based on their faith: muslims in Islamic countries and Christians in Christian countries.

  106. “A barrister who commuted by train for two years without paying has been given a suspended 16-week prison sentence”.

    This item was reported today. Naturally the cad was given a suspended sentence, because most of the judicial body is corrupt. He should be debarred for life.

  107. If Obama had any cojones, he would be grimacing as Vlad gentle squeezes and say’s “I’m winning hearts and minds. Watchergonnadoo-abahtit!?”

  108. Baron @ 18:39

    There’s a great film noir starring Lauren Bacall and Humphrey Bogart called, I think, The Big Doze.

  111. “Corbyn said last week that he wanted children to learn about the evils of the British Empire”

    I want children to learn about the evils of the Empire of the British Left. Especially their lies, distortions and misrepresentations of our history to serve the guilt-infused, emotional blackmail of their current political agenda.

    That will never happen as long as their agents of influence colonise academia, the arts and TV to the discriminatory exclusion of any alternative points of view.

  112. Colonel Mustard 30 Sept. at 11-05

    Some time ago we came to the tentative conclusion that Fergus Pickering is telemachus;or he may be the False Fergus.One or the other of them has been entering into arguments with `patricia`elsewhere.The Pickering above sounds to me like the False Fergus.
    OR
    It maybe this is the`fattish,baldish,back-looking`-transgendered-`provincial poet named Phoebe Flood (aged 10 years).

  114. More from Mark Steyn on the Danish Free Speech gathering; as ever sfa from the MSM that seems unable to comprehend that the cataclysmic shift this week in the geopolitical pecking order may be connected one with the other:

    http://www.steynonline.com/7200/last-laughs-in-europe

    Currently I am watching a nonegenarian loved one struggle with exponential physical deterioration and dementia; both she and I impotent and helpless in the face of inevitability. The depressing experience is exacerbated by the similar decline of our nation, culture and civilisation. So it goes…

  115. “Deconfliction” – the new buzz word, cobbled up in typical Americanese neogolistic nonsense. Wonder how Ambrose Bierce would define it in a new Devil’s Dictionary? My own definition: Obamic surrender to Putinic machismo.

  116. It’s all our fault! 🙂 🙂 🙂

    Hundreds of RIOTING migrants force police to separate warring religious and ethnic groups

    A MASS brawl between more than 200 refugees erupted today as they used broken up chairs and beds to attack each other in a huge fight described by police as “extreme aggression”.

    “Officers in 50 vehicles rushed to the scene at the migrant camp in Hamburg to stop the warring groups and several people were treated in hospital.

    Politicians and police have now begun to separate the refugees in the district of Bergedorf in the port city along religions and ethnic lines.

    Reports in German media have suggested the fights were between Syrian and Afghan refugee groups.

    The shocking violence follows reports of a number of incidents in overcrowded camps in the country.

    Giessen is seen as the most shocking of those, where they have been reports of child sex assaults and rapes at a refugee centre.

    Women’s rights groups believe a significant number of sex assaults there are going unreported.

    Around 5,000 migrants are based at the camp, where campaigners say unaccompanied women are “fair game”.”

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/609241/RIOTING-migrants-force-police-separate-warring-religious-ethnic-groups

  118. RobertRetyred
    October 1st, 2015 – 15:28

    THE TWO C’S (in more ways than one), Cameron AND Corbyn, would welcome with open arms and orifices.

  119. The latest news on the HillBilly emails: that ‘the Feds have discovered that the Russians ‘tried to hack the unauthorised server’, strikes me as being a double edged sword for the GOP. The point is – did they succeed? If they didn’t, Hillary has a good riposte, insofar as she could claim that as both the White House and Pentagon computers are known to have been successfully hacked by both the Russians and the Chinese, she decided that her server techies were more efficient, with their malware protection and firewalls, than those employed by the US Government at large, hence the excuse for her personal server. Surprised she hasn’t seized the opportunity already. Bill must be losing his edge. 🙂

  121. Frank P
    October 1st, 2015 – 16:50
    It’s your influence – you’ve corrupted me! 🙂 🙂

  123. John birch
    October 1st, 2015 – 18:30
    I’ll give you a birge John, on your BTM! 🙂

  125. John birch – 16:20

    It will take their minds off the Volkswagen emissions scandal:

    schadenfreude durch teknique.

  127. John birch
    October 1st, 2015 – 20:03
    John, you are a rude, crude youth!!!!!!! :-0

  129. COLUMNISTS
    POLITICS | DOUGLAS MURRAY
    Europe’s ever-looser union

    Europhiles have warned us for years of the dangers of Britain leaving the EU. But all the while a different spectre has crept up on their other flank: which is that even if the UK votes to stay in the EU in 2017, we might be one of the only countries left. It’s a radical thought, but if they’d like to consider it, the Europhiles should look at what is happening across the continent.
    Pro-EU countries are proving harder and harder to find. The eastern European countries may still be financial net receivers, but they are now having to weigh up their honey pot against the demands that come with it. A project which was meant to bring free movement of labour for themselves is now forcing them to take in thousands of migrants they do not want from across Africa and the Middle East. Anti-EU feeling is growing everywhere, and even the Polish government’s erstwhile plan to ‘progress’ into the eurozone now looks like it will be opposed by the majority of Poles. The ‘irreversible’ turns out to be eminently reversible.
    In western Europe, the Euroscepticism that used to be portrayed as a mere embarrassing blight among Tory backbenchers is now breaking out everywhere. Ten years ago Dutch voters rejected the EU constitution, but were soon afterwards signed up for the almost identical Lisbon Treaty. Ten years on, campaigners in Holland have succeeded in collecting far more than the 300,000 signatures they needed to force a Dutch vote on further EU enlargement. One of the authors of that initiative, the Dutch writer and philosopher Thierry Baudet, this week announced that he wants to turn the vote into a debate on Dutch EU membership as a whole.
    Public opinion in Holland appears to be gathering behind him. A new poll shows 83 per cent of Dutch voters want ‘more influence’ over future transfers of power to the EU and 61 per cent of the population want a referendum on any further enlargement of the EU. At the same time Baudet and the anti-EU Forum for Democracy which he runs intend to push for a full public inquiry into the circumstances under which Holland joined the euro. In Holland such inquiries tend to be reserved for national disasters. The symbolism is not lost and the inevitable troubles of the Dutch political class, as their manipulations are brought to light, can push public feeling in only one direction.
    EU unpopularity is unsurprising. What is the appeal of joining a club into which the entire world can move?
    Everywhere a process of ‘ever-looser union’ may become the only way to hold the EU together. On 3 December it will be Denmark’s turn to go to the polls for a referendum on whether to convert one of the country’s current EU opt-outs into an opt-in. But anti-EU sentiment in Denmark has grown (as it has everywhere else) among citizens watching the EU’s handling of the Greek crisis and now beginning to experience the catastrophically mishandled migration crisis.
    All the while, those countries which decided not to join the EU seem to be realising just what a near miss they had. Both of Norway’s referendums on EU membership (in 1972 and 1974) were lost by small percentages, with the number of Norwegians in favour or opposed to joining on both occasions around the 50 per cent mark. Today polls of Norwegians find those keen on EU membership dwindling in the 20 per cents. It is hardly surprising that the EU looks like an ever less attractive club to join. What, after all, is the appeal of joining a club into which the entire world can apparently move?
    For years Iceland has had a request pending to join the Union. But earlier this year the country quietly let that application lapse. Its citizens can all see for themselves one of the differences between being in the EU or being outside it. Iceland had a severe financial crisis over the last decade, like Greece. But unlike Greece the Icelandic people had a sovereign parliament and control of their own currency. They found out that after such a calamity it took a couple of years to get level again, but they were able to do what they needed to do and today Iceland is back on its feet. Why would they not see their interests as being better served outside the EU?
    Even in the heart of the EU — in the countries that seem to have the institution in their bloodstream — opposition to the whole enterprise is growing. Angela Merkel’s personal popularity has begun to slump even in her own party, and Germany’s Eurosceptic parties are now polling better than they have ever done before. In France it is not only Marine Le Pen who is making noises which might disconcert Brussels. Last year the former president and future presidential contender Nicolas Sarkozy warned that unless half of the EU’s current competencies were returned to member states, the whole EU project would risk imploding.

    What must alarm anyone who wants to retain the status quo is that it will only require one country to start stepping back from their current arrangements to set off a cascade of similar efforts across the EU. In Ireland major business leaders are now publicly saying that if the UK decides to leave in 2017, then Ireland should think of stepping out too. The EU’s fiscal crisis has been taken over by a political one, and now across the entire continent the old, legitimate borders are reasserting themselves.
    So instead of another two years of trying to terrify British voters into thinking we are the odd men out of Europe, perhaps the Europhiles should consider the possibility that a ‘Yes’ vote in 2017 will in fact make us the odd men in.

  131. John birch @ 20:29

    In the Summer, it was said some 400,000 refugees will hit the shores of Europe this year, the figure soon morphed into 800,000. Today, the Classic FM news report said some 1.4mn of them are likely to arrive this year, the same number in 2016. It’s only the first of October, so before the year’s over the number for the current year may well get closer to 2.0mn, more the coming year, the year after …

    Would the Colonel advise, please: Is Arabic a hard language to crack?

    Erratum: it’s heart and not ‘hart’, sorry.

  132. John birch @ 20:03

    Zip, John, the zip first, or else an excruciatingly painful injury might occur.

  133. In mid-September, General Lloyd Austin was testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee. Amongst other things, he also said the Obama Administration has spent $500mn to train Syrian forces independent of the Assad’s Syrian Army to fight ISIS. He was asked how many fighters have the training produced so far. His answer, after some mumbling, was: ‘About five’. What, five thousand?’, asked one Committee member. ‘No,’ the General replied, ‘just five fighters’.

    Someone should remind McCain about it, he was there, he’s one of the Committee members.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=107&v=t8hP_7iCqqQ

  134. Is it absolutely necessary for a young guy to have a beard to appear on the adverts on television nowadays.

  136. Baron – September 30 @ 12:12

    When you mention crumbling properties seen from the train on the approach to Liverpool Street station, I remember that my own sightings arriving from Chelmsford as a child and boy in the 40s and 50s showed something much worse than that.

    May be you are talking about Brentwood and Shenfield.

  138. “The gunman who opened fire at an Oregon community college was forcing people to stand up and state their religion before he began blasting away at them, survivors said Thursday.”

    http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/oregon-gunman-singled-out-christians-during-rampage/

    Security guards are banned from carrying firearms in many schools in the USA.

    I fear that in England we shall rue the day that we failed to have a manly debate on the restoration of the right to bear arms.

  146. telemachus is alarmed

    Friday October 2 2015
    “Cow infected with mad cow disease dies on a Welsh farm in Britain’s first case of the brain bug this year
    Experts are currently working to investigate the circumstances of the case
    Disease had not entered food chain and there is no risk to human health
    There were three cases of mad cow disease in 2013 and one last year”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3256256/Dead-cow-Welsh-farm-infected-mad-cow-disease-officials-reveal.html#ixzz3nOYYfa1A

    “Disease had not entered food chain and there is no risk to human health”
    Of course there is no risk
    Cordelia simply rejected the beefburger because it was too hot

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QobuvWX_Grc

  158. Biblical Times and the Virtual President

    Listen to the first, say 10 or 11 minutes of Michael Savage (banned from England by the last Labour Home Secretary and the last Conservative Home Secretary for being a Jew) on God and the Russian action in the Middle East:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEwo-K0zJ6o

  165. Yentob, BBC Man, manages to be so succinct it is beyond parody:

    Jimmy Savile scandal inquiry contains ‘pretty shocking’ revelations
    The Culture Secretary has said the inquiry into Savile’s abuse will reveal a culture at the BBC culture which allowed “things which should never have been tolerated”

    “Last month the former head of Newsnight investigations claimed Alan Yentob, the BBC’s creative director, accused the journalists who exposed the corporation’s cover-up of Jimmy Savile’s crimes of being “traitors”.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/11907645/Jimmy-Savile-scandal-inquiry-contains-pretty-shocking-revelations.html

  167. FMOBB!

    Presidential press conference on Fox. Sheer vomitry! The O man shit cans his press secretary in order to divert from the crisis in Syria and his ceding of the US hegemony to Vlad and the Persian mullahs. What a 24 carat Kuwaiti tanker this mulatto shill is. Flim flam operator of the millennium – so far. I doubt he will be surpassed, even in the next millennium. Bullshit squared!

  169. “Technical conversations about ‘deconfliction’.” says he. Yerrsssss-sss!
    Waffle, waffle, waffle. Twenty minute answer to one-line (planted) question.
    Weak as nun’s piss!

    Methinks the a-hole doth protest too much.

  171. Not wishing to encourage anyone to visit the new look other place but there is a most extraordinary article by its Editor on gay marriage there that begins with “should right wing politicians be more moral?”

    “Why, (Ricky Ross) asked, are Tories seen as being a bit cold-hearted, obsessed with the rich and unconcerned with welfare? Why couldn’t they put themselves at the front of a social mission, like gay marriage?”

    Gay marriage is a social “mission”?

    Extraordinary.

  172. I don’t think the extraordinary article by Fraser Nelson two days after the other place unveiled its new look is a coincidence. The magazine is being re-positioned to appeal to
    a different (younger?) audience. The article reads like a manifesto for Nu Conservatism & gay marriage is just the hook.

  175. Probably old news, but from an unusual source and with a Euro-In slant that could only originate from a Cabinet Minister! Still, it is still news:

    EU has been hit by ‘out of control bulldozer’, says Iain Duncan Smith
    Eurosceptic minister claims migration and Greek debt crises are making EU leaders rethink David Cameron’s calls for reform

    “Duncan Smith said he detected a change in the climate prompted by the numbers seeking asylum in Europe. “There is open revolt going on down in Germany now. The CSU [Christian Social Union] forced Angela Merkel to shut the border down in Munich because there were so many people coming through. I am told they they said to her ‘you shut it federally or we are going to shut it as Bavaria’. The CDU [Christian Democratic Union], her own party, is furious with her and worried because it needs to face elections. Her poll ratings are falling. There are massive shifts and anger in Germany.”

    He claimed European leaders were realising they needed new systems of governance inside the eurozone. He argued: “It is becoming clear and obvious that this cannot sustain itself any longer between what the ins [euro users] want and the outs want and, all of a sudden, we are in the middle of a very serious debate about how you run a system when we do not need to be involved in half the things they do and want. They want deeper and closer. We don’t over here.””

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/02/eu-has-been-hit-by-out-of-control-bulldozer-says-iain-duncan-smith

  176. Damaris Tighe – 22:58

    Tomorrow’s chip wrappers! Since when were “journalists” allowed to get so “up themselves”, and more importantly who allowed them to do it?

    The bloody BBC’s, ITV’s & Sky’s News and Current Affairs carefully filleted and filtered news output is full of these latter day sages dum and dhimmi tossers interviewing each other dispensing their essential corporate agenda drip feed. I’m heartily sick of it

  177. I forgot to mention the upcoming Conservative Conference in my last post. Fraser’s article really does read like a manifesto.

  178. A bit of light relief:

    A commenter on a zerohedge article posted this link as his personal antidote to NewWorldOrderGlobalBollocksAgenda21 etc.etc.

    ‘Proper’ pop music from 1965 – when you’ve recovered from howling with laughter, punching the air, stamping your feet, you can see what he means.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xav6C6YyLU

    Brilliant! Well, I thought so …

  180. Thanks Baron.

    The strange calmness and dignity observed by all somehow made it more chilling.

  181. If assimilation is so hated, how will the Germans get on? I think we know:

    Muslim family are driven from their home… after they converted to Christianity: Neighbours vandalise car and call them ‘blasphemers’
    * Neighbours see Nissar Hussain, wife Kubra, six children as ‘blasphemers’
    * Mr Hussain from Bradford converted from Islam to Christianity in 1996
    * His car windows are constantly smashed, his family attacked in the street
    * Police have been called but are reluctant to treat the abuse as a hate crime

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3258159/Asian-family-converted-Christianity-driven-home-Muslim-persecutors.html

  184. If you want to look into the German future, look to Sweden:

    Sweden: ‘No Apartments, No Jobs, No Shopping Without a Gun’

    The Swedes see the welfare systems failing them. Swedes have had to get used to the government prioritizing refugees and migrants above native Swedes.

    “There are no apartments, no jobs, we don’t dare go shopping anymore [without a gun], but we’re supposed to think everything’s great. … Women and girls are raped by these non-European men, who come here claiming they are unaccompanied children, even though they are grown men. … You Cabinet Ministers live in your fancy residential neighborhoods, with only Swedish neighbors. It should be obligatory for all politicians to live for at least three months in an area consisting mostly of immigrants… [and] have to use public transport.” — Laila, to the Prime Minister.

    “Instead of torchlight processions against racism, we need a Prime Minister who speaks out against the violence… Unite everyone. … Do not make it a racism thing.” — Anders, to the Prime Minister.

    “In all honesty, I don’t even feel they [government ministers] see the problems… There is no one in those meetings who can tell them what real life looks like.” – Laila, on the response she received from the government.

    “The week after the double murder at IKEA in Västerås, where a man from Eritrea who had been denied asylum grabbed some knives and stabbed Carola and Emil Herlin to death, letters and emails poured into the offices of Swedish Prime Minister (PM) Stefan Löfven. Angry, despondent and desperate Swedes have pled with the Social Democratic PM to stop filling the country with criminal migrants from the Third World or, they write, there is a serious risk of hatred running rampant in Sweden. One woman suggested that because the Swedish media will not address these issues, Löfven should start reading foreign newspapers, and wake up to the fact that Sweden is sinking fast.
    …
    “… in 2013 the government decided that people staying in the country illegally have a right to virtually free health and dental care. So while the destitute Swedish senior citizen must choose between paying 100,000 kronor ($12,000) to get new teeth or living toothless, a person who does not even have the right to stay in Sweden can get his teeth fixed for 50 kronor ($6).”

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6607/sweden-migrants-fear

  187. RobertRetyred October 3rd, 2015 – 12:22

    Probably the reason that the shadow-y multiple account troll clique has been less active at the other place recently.

    Too busy facilitating the commission of criminal offences – illegal immigration, criminal damage, assault, etc.

  188. EC @ 10:50

    The name itself is hard to beat, EC, would be better if it were in singular, the ‘turd of misery’ sounds unique, exceptional, full of malodorous heat, assuming it’s expunged afresh at every performance, as it would have been. But do’ya remember the all girls’ band the ‘Cookies’ and their ‘chains of love’ or was it just chains with ‘my baby got me locked up in chains…, or the ‘Shaggs”?

    All in all though, the songs performed by many of the now forgotten bands from our recent past had a more natural heart coupled rhythm, one could follow the lyrics that made sense, and even sing the song.

  189. RobertRetyred @ 12:22

    How long can this nonsense continue, Robert, and what will the eventual solution be, it just cannot go on forever.

    Would it not be wiser to round the lot up, lock them in a secure location, question them, let few of the qualifying in, fingerprint the rest, ship them back? Should a new tsunami hit, do the same until the message sinks in. If we don’t do something like that over the months if not years the whole of the crowd will sneak in, bit by bit.

    The politicians are fugging useless, incapable to solve anything.

  190. Michael Roberts @ 09:45

    But, Michael, as John Berry says (the first posting under the clip) he’s always liked them.

    We’re all with different tastes, likes and warts, that’s what we’re, the humans. Btw, how come the sisters haven’t yet figured the word human derives from homo, or a man in Latin. Should we not give it up, find some more ‘equal’ one that will make the sisters happy?

    As for Baron, he never liked any of the groups, the crowd orgies put him off, he’s had enough of large single minded gatherings from his past in the land other than Britain. He was so averse any large number of people that in the few demonstrations he went on he only ever joined on the side, couldn’t mix with the main flow, it very much reminded him of the forced manifestations organised, controlled and directed by the anointed few.

  191. RobertRetyred @ 00:23

    What’s intriguing, Robert, is the local MSM have virtually abandon the subject of refugees, very little of any fresh news on the flow that refuses to abate. No t so in the continental media, the ones in the east in particular that keep banging on about it, pointing out the flow’s thickening, and nobody has the courage to say ‘enough’s enough’.

  192. Frank P @ 23:16

    A very useful link, Frank, it made Baron’s very much aware the world is populated mostly by Adams and Aarons, it’s good to know that. But what do they all, the Adams and Aarons, do?

    In what’s now the Czech republic, the Jeremy’s soulmates, when in power, were very fond of a song that went ‘forward, left, forward, left, not a single step back …’ A good tune, too. It may be these leftfootforward warriors are the leftovers of the communist past secretly smuggled to Britain.

  193. The Russians are not bombing for any altruistic reasons, but if they can wipe out, together with Assad’s foot soldiers, the throat cutters, stop the refugee flows to Europe, it will be a job well done.

    Their biggest enemy will not be ISIL, it will be the Western powers, the Americans in particular. It was never Obama’s intention to defeat the religiously inspired thugs, quite the contrary. The KGB colonel, calling his bluff, may yet regret it for if he messes it up, it will be not only Obama, the neocons that will call for his blood, the Russian unwashed may join in, too. Putin’s rating has fallen below 80% according to the latest polls, the Russian people are beginning to feel the impact of the sanctions. A failure in the ME will only push his approval rating further south, and there are plenty of contenders for the number one slot in the Kremlin.

  194. The S Syrian TV has screened a Russian song ‘Katyusha’, written during WW2 (Mr. Boot must be very familiar with it). You may not believe it, the song’s quite nice, this screened version sounds awful. More to the point, it may not be the smartest move by whoever it is who advises the Syrian TV. Russians are about as popular in the ME as the Americans, partly because of their treatment of Muslims in Chechnya.

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syrian-state-tv-airs-russian-wwii-song-aminalammar-1179034580

    (That’s enough of Baron, could he now shut up, give it a rest).

  195. Sorry, another posting to apologise for the multitude of errors, it will happen again, of course, so, please, be kind, do forgive.

  197. Today we visited the Museum of Childhood. After passing the filthy socialists and ‘worker’s party’ plying their rubbish on the roadsides of East London, we entered a world pf sweetness and light. What a delightful place, under the auspices of the V&A and filled with teddy bears, dolls, books and every toy one could imagine. I noticed that although the small children seemed really thrilled and happy, the eyes of the adults, the older they were, shone with regeneration and innocent pleasure. Well worth a visit to Bethnal Green.

  198. Baron (14:51)

    One of the names that popped out during my scroll through them was Douglas Carswell. One suspects that all today’s breed of politicians dress to the left, regardless of their declared political stripe, but has someone slipped the name in there mischievously one wonders? Most of the usual suspects are there of course, but to have so many parasites listed underlines what we have been trying to say since this blogging game was invented: the Gramsci weevils have infested every nook and cranny of the body politic.

  199. Delers reporting on Largest Science Scandal In U.S. History:

    Climate Alarmist Caught In ‘Largest Science Scandal In U.S. History’
    “The plan by climate alarmists to have other scientists imprisoned for their ‘global warming’ skepticism is backfiring horribly, and the chief alarmist is now facing a House investigation into what has been called “the largest science scandal in US history.””
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/02/climate-alarmist-caught-largest-science-scandal-u-s-history/

  200. An interesting point (in my italics) in this article:
    The sheer insanity of wanting to be mother and father to your child
    “Forget motherhood, all a baby allegedly needs is care from a gender-neutral parent, not necessarily the person who conceived and bore them, and therefore women’s natural and all-encompassing feminity which stems from our sex’s ability to procreate, is reduced to nothing more than a bodily function. One which can be auctioned off to the highest bidder with a mother and baby’s inter-dependency written off and dismissed as an irrelevancy. It’s why same-sex males couples deliberately separate egg donors and surrogates; it’s a calculated attempt to weaken any sort of maternal ties.”
    http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/caroline-farrow-the-sheer-insanity-of-wanting-to-be-mother-and-father-to-your-child

    The whole thing is bonkers but, collectively, we have lost our common sense.

  201. “Coventry bus crash: Eight hurt as double-decker hits supermarket”
    Headlines like this are becoming too common. I am pretty certain that the driver will not be placed in police custody until a full investigation takes place, and that he/she will in the end walk free.

  202. RobertRetyred @ 22:56

    Nothing can any longer shock the barbarian, or so he thought until he read this story, Robert. The lunatics have taken over, and there appears nobody who can stop this asininity corroding our culture beyond the point of irrevocable debauchery.

  204. These fifteen minutes sum up the futility of the American presence in Afghanistan. After more than a decade of cleansing the country of al-Queda, building a democratic state, going after the hearts and minds of the locals, Afghanistan remains what it has always been – a medieval hellhole.

    The clip is in honour of one young American, hundreds of others including our young boys and girls have perished there, too, as did many thousands of Afghan civilians.

    And what have we achieved? Afghanistan and the ME countries that we’ve also tried to turn to our way of living stay the same, only with broken institutions, infrastructure, families, and millions of refugees from the ‘liberated lands’ are fleeing to Europe. Madness.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnGYubTosfw

  206. Read this for a good laugh to start the day. (Or despair)

    FEMINIST CONFERENCE IN MELTDOWN: NO PLATFORMING UNSAFE SPEAKERS EXPOSES WARRING FACTIONS
    Feminism In London
    by LIAM DEACON
    3 Oct 2015
    283
    Feminism in London (FiL), one of the largest feminist conferences in the UK, has seen two major speakers pull out because of “ideological totalitarianism” and “sectarian” “warring feminist factions,” who fell out over an attempt to “no-platform” certain speakers who were “unsafe” because everyone did not agree with them on everything.

    It all started when male-to-female transgendered feminist campaigner, and proponent of so-called ‘safe spaces,’ Jane Fae was uninvited or “no-platformed” form the feminist conference, which is due to start of the 24th of this month.

    “It would have been grotesque for me to have been on a platform talking about the need for safe spaces, whilst the question of me being unsafe was on the agenda,” said Fae on BBC Radio 4.

    She claimed that the problem was endemic to the Left generally: “This is not just about feminism. This is a sort of absolutism in politics today, and it happens within feminism, it happens in the trans community, it happens in the Greens, with the Cobynistas; which is, you have to toe a party line.”

    The disagreement seems to stem from the fact the women have differing views various topics, but primarily the sex trade. Intersectional, new-wave feminists (who support and even celebrate the sex trade) have long claimed that old-order feminists who think that prostitution is violence against women are bigoted and “whorephobic.”

    In protest to the efforts to “no-platform” their fellow panelist, feminist campaigners Caroline Criado Perez and Julie Bindel then pulled out of the conference.

    Perez said she was “concerned about the ideological totalitarianism,” the “purity politics” and the “dogma” of modern-day feminism on Radio 4. “If you ever step outside of that dogma then you are tainted, you are impure, and you cannot be aloud to speak,” she said.

    Adding: “Even if you’re not talking about things that don’t toe the party line, then your very presence can cause trauma in people… I just think this is really, really dangerous,” she said.

    Going on to speak of the “warring feminist faction” and the “ridiculous” situation, where the different “factions… can not speak to each other.” She also lambasted the recent “no platforming” of Maryam Namazie – a secular campaigner and founder of the Council of Ex-Muslims – at the University of Warwick.

    Julie Bindel, a journalist for The Guardian and the first person to report on the Rotherham rape scandal, is no stranger to no-platforming. The words “Julie Bindel is Vile” were enshrined in the NUS manifesto for several years, and she has been banned for speaking on pretty much every university campus in the country for nearly a decade.

    “I have no choice but to withdraw my contribution to the Feminism in London conference this year. It is particularly difficult for me to do so because FiL is one of the few feminist conferences that dare include me on their programme (in case of disruption from anti-feminists claiming I am transphobic, biphobic, Islamophobic and whorephobic),” she wrote on her blog.

    Explaining that she disagreed with Fae and Perez on several key issues, she said, “I cannot possibly reconcile my position on the no-platforming of feminists for holding contrary views on topics they are not even planning on speaking about, and stand aside whilst Jane Fae is handed out similar treatment,”

    “…It is not OK, in my view, to justify such treatment of those with whom we disagree,” she said.

    Adding: “The accusation made by those who have pressurised the organisers to accept Jane’s withdrawal – that Jane’s very presence will ‘trigger’ feelings of trauma in some delegates, or that her simply being at the event, will make the space ‘unsafe’ – is ridiculous.”

    “… I cannot take part in an event in which a speaker has had to withdraw because of views unrelated to the topic on which she was invited to speak.”

    The culture of offence taking and viewing debate as “trauma” is evidenced on the conference’s website. In their Frequently Asked Questions section, it is asked: “I am worried I will be triggered by the content of the workshops?” The answer: “We have quiet rooms set aside and listeners in the ‘Green Rooms’ area.”

    Ian Dunt described the episode as “a terrible combination of managerial impotence, financial caution and political timidity,” on Politics.co.uk.

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  207. Colonel Mustard
    October 4th, 2015 – 07:17

    “Two of my comments went into moderation yesterday and have now disappeared”

    I am so sorry to hear that
    As you know I decry censorship
    There was one comment of yours yesterday on the crazy Frazer Nelson thread that struck a chord

    ‘The “guns of the state” have been used to force an opinion on Christian bakers. There is no live and let live in modern Britain but a society increasingly at war with itself’

    How very very true

    Just a tiny quibble
    Living as we do in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, I suspect that the DPP for England and Wales would have handled things differently

  209. anne wotana kaye
    October 3rd, 2015 – 23:19

    “Police have not commented on what caused the crash, which happened in Trinity Street at about 18:00 BST on Saturday”.
    This is the latest news on this tragic incident. Seems to be going as I forecast in my earlier report of the awful event.

  211. telemachus October 4th, 2015 – 07:43

    There was nothing in them worth censoring.

    And you need to be BANNED not censored.

  212. John birch October 4th, 2015 – 07:22

    “Ian Dunt described the episode as “a terrible combination of managerial impotence, financial caution and political timidity,” on Politics.co.uk.”

    I can think of a better description that would probably “trigger” a few of the silly cows.

    Hopefully this ever decreasing circle of denouncement and exclusion will eventually disappear up its own orifice.

  213. Pooper-scooper anyone? Watch your step in the park.
    Definition of ‘absent myself’:
    “I’ll hide for a day or two, then resume shitting all over the patch, ad nauseam.”

    True to form.

  216. Following his best seller “The Art of the Deal” Trump’s next book should The Art of the ad hominem … 🙂

    http://snag.gy/6VbIG.jpg

    After surveying the hopeless shower comprising the rest of the field for the GOP 2016 POTUS candidate, then even hardcore Tea Party-ers are learning to love Trump!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RW4R3N8Ju8

    NB: don’t miss the follow on PJTV interview with Ann Coulter – Whadda Gal! 🙂
    [She’s so bracing she even out-braces the arctic northerlies from Ms Barnhard!]

  222. EC @ 14:56

    The girl, EC, cannot be any more articulate if she tried, and seems to have sussed up the pivotal issue for the next year’s election right. But whoever it is to fight under the Republican flag will have more than just a mountain to climb.

  223. Frank P @ 16:27

    Just add an a to the right of the mistaken y, Frank, and someone like the Japanese may adopt it, perfect it, flog it to us as another culinary delight of theirs, no?

  224. John birch @ 08:15

    It looks, John, as if Obama isn’t happy to be in bed only with the ‘international community’, on behalf of which he likes to speak, he now wants to enlist the UN, too. The American unwashed must be mad to let the most corrupt of the international bodies in.

  225. We’re no good at football, and yesterday, we’ve learnt we’re no good at rugby either. Five penalties from scrummage, that must be a record in an international. Baron has had to have a break around the middle of the second half, his heart couldn’t take it.

    Is there anything we’re good at?

  229. Everyone’s a multi’culti’ rejecter now, apart from CMD:

    The British Sikh men trying to stop women marrying outside their religion
    Britain’s Sikhs, long seen as a minority success story, are plagued by a faction of young men ‘defending’ their vision of the culture – and seeking to impose their views by attacking the nuptials of women who marry ‘out’

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-british-sikh-men-trying-to-stop-women-marrying-outside-their-religion-a6679001.html

  230. Baron @ October 4th – 20:36

    You must learn to love the United Nations, as you would love your big brother.

    “More than 178 nations adopted Agenda 21 as official policy during a signing ceremony at the Earth Summit. US president George H.W. Bush signed the document for the US. In signing, each nation pledge to adopt the goals of Agenda 21…. ”

    http://americanpolicy.org/agenda21/

    Now of course there is also Agenda 31…

  231. ““Participating in a UN advocated planning process would very likely bring out many of the conspiracy- fixated groups and individuals in our society… This segment of our society who fear ‘one-world government’ and a UN invasion of the United States through which our individual freedom would be stripped away would actively work to defeat any elected official who joined ‘the conspiracy’ by undertaking LA21. So we call our process something else, such as comprehensive planning, growth management or smart growth.” J. Gary Lawrence, advisor to President Clinton’s Council on Sustainable Development.” (supra)

  232. Malfleur @ 01:25

    If one reads the blurb in the link, Malfleur, one cannot but conclude it’s everything one can think of for everyone one can think of, hence it’s either not doable or a smokescreen for those in charge to pick and choose and tighten their rip on freedoms som e more.

  233. The German papers are full of a new estimate of the number of refugees likely to arrive in German this year – 1.5mn (and it’s only early October, the forecast may prove an underestimate yet again).

    Bavaria allegedly told the Mutti they are going to close their border with Austria unilateraly if the federal authorities fail to act, and act soon. Mufti’s approval rating has slumped, it’s now the lowest it has ever been, but what the hell, a Nobel trinket beckons for her.

    This should make our politicians anxious for once one’s granted the leave to say in any one EU country one can travel, relocate, settle in any EU member state one wants. As many of the ME refugees speak no German, have to learn it, but have some knowledge of English (who hasn’t today), they may figure soon after being granted permission to stay in Germany i.e. the EU, the UK is a better place to reside in.

    This rather than yapping about bombing Syria is what the boy should talk about. The Americans have flown sorties for over a year over there, and FA did it do either to the ISIL dominance or to stemming the outflow of civilians from the region. And anyway, do we have enough ammunition to make any difference? When we and the French started bombing Libya we ran out of bombs pretty soon, had to ask the Americans to furnish us with some.

  234. This you may find hard to stomach, but do some thinking, argue against the barbarian, who is neither a unilateralist, nor against our having a deterrent capability.

    It seems to him, the key question to ask is this: which is better, to be alive but in chains, or to be dead but free? The former may seem unpalatable, but chains can always be shaken off, the Russians have been shackled for more than three generations, let themselves free. When one’s dead, one’s dead, it matters not whether one dies free, or in danger of being enslaved.

    What if we contracted out the need for nuclear deterrent to the Americans, for a fee, of course, but an affordable one, certainly lower than the cost of the Trident replacement, under the additional condition the warheads will not be stationed in the UK.

    It may not be a bad move. If a global conflict were to emerge, the West were near a total win, it came to the last resort of the enemy pressing the button, which country would he direct the nuclear warheads towards? One that has them, or the one that hasn’t?

    If the opposite were true, the West were losing, the enemy feared any of the western countries may press the button, which country would he be likely to nuke? The one that could retaliate using nuclear missiles, or one that hasn’t got them, can be conquered with conventional weapons like tanks, planes, infantry?

    One may object on the basis that the Americans may press the button without our permission, but then they could do so even if we didn’t rely on them. The point is we would gain a deterrent without actually having to pay for it, or having it housed here, a double protection, if you like, at a bargain price.

    Any objections to the idea engendered mostly by the barbarians old age, a stage in one’s life everyone will come to, it cannot be avoided. Why spending billions on a gear that only protects if it isn’t used when we can spend the cash on a gear that cures stuff like cancer, or drugs that are getting steadily more expensive, but could make life bearable for both the old and the young.

  235. Taxpayers’ Alliance: Cut pensioner benefits ‘immediately’
    By Brian Wheeler
    Political reporter
    9 hours ago
    From the section UK Politics
    Taxpayers’ Alliance meeting
    Image caption
    Alex Wild, from the Taxpayers’ Alliance, said he made “practical points”
    Ministers should waste no time to make unpopular cuts to pensioner benefits, a think tank director has said.
    Many of those hit by a cut to the winter fuel allowance might “not be around” at the next election, said Alex Wild of the Taxpayers’ Alliance.
    And others would forget which party had done it, he added.
    At the group’s meeting at the Conservative conference in Manchester, former defence secretary Liam Fox said spending cuts must be “for keeps”.
    Mr Wild said the Tories could not wait until a year before the next election to make the necessary cuts to the winter fuel allowance, free bus passes, the Christmas bonus and other pensioner benefits.
    Mr Wild, who is research director of the think tank which campaigns for lower taxes and highlights examples of Government waste, said the cuts should be made “as soon as possible after an election for two reasons”.
    “The first of which will sound a little bit morbid – some of the people… won’t be around to vote against you in the next election. So that’s just a practical point, and the other point is they might have forgotten by then.”
    He added: “If you did it now, chances are that in 2020 someone who has had their winter fuel cut might be thinking, ‘Oh I can’t remember, was it this government or was it the last one? I’m not quite sure.’
    “So on a purely practical basis I would say do it immediately. That might be one of those things I regret saying in later life but that would be my practical advice to the government.”
    ‘Day of reckoning’
    Mr Fox told the meeting that the government had to act now to make further cuts to pensioner benefits and welfare.
    He said “we can never go back” to the “historically high” levels of public spending seen in recent years and the government’s public spending cuts must be “for keeps”.
    “This is the time to fix the roof” he said.
    “We have a broken opposition. We have just won a general election and we need now to take the tough decisions we believe are right.”
    Now that Labour was not such a “great threat”, this was a “great opportunity for us to do some of the more difficult things, however unpalatable they will be in the short term are what we need to do for the country”, said the backbencher, a leading voice on the right of the party.
    He added: “We need to do what we all know deep in our hearts to be right.”
    Liam FoxImage copyrightConservative Party
    Image caption
    Former defence secretary Liam Fox said the government had to make further cuts
    Mr Fox added that the government had to make the “moral” case for reducing public spending further.
    “We are borrowing from the next generation to spend today. That is otherwise known as a Ponzi scheme,” he said.
    “It’s what we are operating as a national financial policy.”
    He added: “If you continue to overspend there will be a day of reckoning.”
    He said this was because borrowing costs would rise and the era of low inflation would not last forever, meaning economic growth on its own was not enough to balance the books.
    Older people would understand the need for cuts to their benefits to help the next generation, he suggested.
    “We have got to start to get really honest with people because this is not a sustainable position,” he said.
    “We can’t afford it now, we can’t afford it in the future, why don’t we try to get a longer-term plan put in place so that people can make the adjustments they will need to make for us to be able to get back into balance.”
    Share this story About sharing

    This disgusting article appeared on BBC web this morning. I have sent this Wild creature an email, number as shown, and hope other ‘Old Warriors’ will also send one:
    alex.wild@taxpayersalliance.com

    Mr Wild,

    I can assure you that I for one will not forget who planned the removal of the benefits from pensioners. It is highly possible that with your background you come from a family blighted by dementia, geriatric diseases and other sicknesses of the genetically inferior. I would be interested to examine your familial background, physically, mentally and morally.

    It is possible that you yourself will not be around when the next election occurs. You appear a weal specimen of your ilk.

    In conclusion I must add that the English language does not have a really apt term for what you are. You are simply a cad and an Untermensche.

    Anne Wotana Kaye (Mrs)

  236. Disgusting ageism Mr Wild. If you had said people would not know which party had cut benefits because they don’t speak English you would now be in big trouble.

    Morbid? Your speculation wasn’t morbid but just crass.

    But ageism is creeping into the narrative of those who rule over us more and more.

  238. anne wotana kaye @ 11:48

    Are you sure, Anne, this isn’t a spoof? It very much sounds like one, leaving ageism aside, it’s just insensitive, so un-British to say, even if he thought or meant it.

    If it’s true, the Tories, currently no friends of Baron, ought to get rid of him pronto, the over 60s are the largest Tory contingent when it comes to voting. This man must be loopy, needs hospitalisation.

    Your letter’s spot on, anne, but regretfully, the older generation does forget and forgive. You remember the dour Scot putting pensions up by 50p? And they still had mercy on the fruitcake, voted for him out of inertia, fortunately not in numbers big enough to let Labour in.

    It’s people like Mr. Wild who’re paving the way for the cumryd to make it to numero 1.

  239. this has been e-mailed to Mr. Wild few minutes ago, anne.

    “Mr. Wild,

    Well done, that’s exactly the stuff one has to say, argue for passionately, put on the Tory list of policies to help cumryd Jeremy winning the next count.

    If only your mother remained a virgin.

    Regards,

  240. Radford NG @ 16:17

    Who sat on the panel ranking the most influential people on the Right, Radford, the number of the winners for the most influential status on the Right Baron knows about doesn’t top a dozen.

  241. Radford NG October 5th, 2015 – 16:17

    Anna Soubry and Fraser Nelson?

    Clearly the list is based on claims to be on the right rather than evidence of genuinely influential conservative views.

    The list is dripping with wets. And if that is the best that can be offered for influence on the right then conservatism (as opposed to posh, left-leaning social democrats) has had it.

    Politicians and the media. Revolving doors.

  242. Baron
    October 5th, 2015 – 17:01
    Baron, an excellent letter! Come on CHWallers, swamp the creep with emails. By the way, that other idiot Osborne has ‘come out’ Osborne: “We are the party of labour”

  243. Colonel Mustard
    October 5th, 2015 – 13:10
    You really have cut the mustard! 🙂

  245. This is unbelievably cruel, the video’s explicit, you’ll see the whole of the act of beheading a human being on a street. If you cannot look at pure barbarity, avoid clicking on it. Unbelievable, abhorrent, and this is the country the honorary White House Muslim counts amongst his friends.

    Sickening beyond belief. Nuking the bastards would be merciful.

    Again, please, please be warned.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=550_1421270303

  247. Baron
    October 5th, 2015 – 20:16
    Actually it looks quicker and more humane than hanging or the electric chair.

  248. anne wotana kaye @ 20:53

    There are times, anne, when the barbarian finds it hard to figure people. This is one of such times.

  249. All of today’s papers Baron has scanned carry narratives about NATO condemning Russia for one of her fight er jets in Syria violating Turkey’s airspace. No condemnation of the Americans bombing the MSF hospital in Afghanistan, even as it turns out the doctors were pleading desperately with the US command to stop it, according to the doctors there were no Taliban fighters on the premises.

    Both are incidents of war, these do happen, one can avoid them only if one doesn’t start wars, which may be what the Americans should consider.

    Btw, the whole morning, the Classic FM new bulletin has no mention of the Syrian conflict or the refugees. It seems that Malfleur may be right, there’s a controller somewhere telling the MSM poodles when and what about to bark.

  250. Baron
    October 6th, 2015 – 09:43
    I find it hard to understand people most of the time! I do not enjoy the thought of people being sentenced to death, BUT when I know of all the extreme cruelty and evil enacted, i.e. senseless murder, paedophile actions, torture etc. then I believe the criminals are better dead. However, they should not be tortured as that would make us as bad as a criminal, and that is why I think beheading could be quicker than hanging or electric chair.

  252. awk

    Here, tying up some lose ends:

    Was the Oregon mass shooting an Islamist attempt to assassinate Alek Skarlatos?
    “In August the very high-profile Skarlatos, a devout Christian, helped to disarm Ayoub El-Khazzani, a Moroccan with ties to radical Islam, on a high-speed train traveling from Amsterdam to Paris. The Islamist was armed with a Kalashnikov rifle, a Luger pistol, and a box cutter. Skarlatos and his two American friends traveling with him received France’s highest honor, the Legion d’Honneur, from French President François Hollande. Last month they were feted at the White House and the Pentagon. Skarlatos received the U.S. Army’s Soldier’s Medal.

    Skarlatos has publicly acknowledged that he is currently a student at Umpqua, near Roseburg, Ore., and that he was supposed to be attending classes there on Thursday when Harper-Mercer went on a bloody rampage.

    More specifically, Skarlatos said he was supposed to be present that day in Snyder Hall, the same building where Harper-Mercer carried out his massacre.”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/10/was_the_oregon_mass_shooting_an_islamist_attempt_to_assassinate_alek_skarlatos.html

    Makes you think, and the MSM that hasn’t barked loudly makes you think even more.

  253. More strange happenings on the Spectator (forgive me, I know most of you don’t give a fig). The comments below Fraser Nelson’s pro-immigration piece on Theresa May’s speech (all critical) have disappeared. Comments appear to be closed for this article. This is the second time I’ve seen an article closed to comments in the last few weeks.

  254. Damaris Tighe October 6th, 2015 – 14:30

    Lots of manipulation of the comments thread on Kirkup’s anti-May Telegraph article too. The poll there is even pro-immigration 61% to 39%.

    The far left reaction to the immigration controversy is so extreme it makes me wonder just what is behind it. Do they think mass immigration that the country cannot indefinitely sustain will facilitate their stinking revolution? More socialist voters? They are so desperate to shut down the debate and demonise any naysayers.

    And of course they use multiple accounts to pretend there are more of them. A few new names cropping up with the same old style.

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