The Coffee House Wall – 29th/4th August

Posted on July 29, 2013

This is the Coffee House Wall for this week. I won’t say that it is your chance to communicate with us, as we are all in this together. It is, nevertheless, the Conservative Blog post that has no particular theme, and where everything is on topic. Let’s just remember that we want to avoid ad hominem attacks on others. We don’t want to engage with trolls. We want to moderate our language ourselves as responsible and mature adults, choosing to use fruity language only where it is necessary. This is our opportunity to show what the Spectator Coffee House Wall could have been like.

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311 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 29th/4th August”

  3. Malfleur – 04:12 ‘A coordinated strategy?’

    It is not ‘coordination’ as this is the harmonious interaction (of all parts/people involved) to produce the desired result.

    Sabotage is a better word as it involves the underhand interference with a system already working to the reasonable satisfaction of those involved.
    While part of the effort may involve collaboration with other saboteurs, it is the fragmented approach that helps the system under attack break down. The innocent participants, oblivious to the sabotage, have to make decisions when unexpected situations arise, when there is insufficient information available to make a reasonable choice.

    The goal of a saboteur may not be the destruction of the system under attack. It may just be that they want is unobtainable, killing the goose that lays the golden egg.

    Also, saboteur groups do not need to be coordinated to destroy a system. Each will add a strain which will, in all probability, make it more vulnerable to attack from the other saboteurs. It causes the destruction of the community and of that faceless but effective and efficient entity, society.

    I agree with your two points, immigration and secondary rights, but I think these are pursued because people have become experts in their own fields and ignore the bigger picture, sometimes consciously, including how ordinary people live and what motivates them. It is survival and wanting, not aspiring to tidiness, where everything is static, has its place, and where they are in control but without the responsibility and having to take the consequences themselves.

    That, I think, is the common thread. Those who are proud because they believe they do see the bigger picture, such as PPE’s from Oxford, have little scientific knowledge and do not live on the same planet as the rest of us. They think it is our ignorance that holds us back when, in fact, it is consideration of others and exhaustion!

    In our drive to succeed, we have those who want to understand and alleviate some of the problems of the world but are poor in power grabbing and communication (the expert, that needs a good journalist at a serious journal** to produce a good read) and those only good at communications, but with nothing to say (presenters of children’s Saturday morning TV and most politicians).

    Herbert Thornton – 09:47 ‘cui bono – consensus?’
    “But I don’t see it as a conspiracy in the narrow, legal sense of the word. I believe it’s more like a vague and unspoken consensus, resulting from having an education system dominated by leftists and their prejudices (which include hostility towards Christianity).”

    Quite! And so much originates from their hold over TV, piping propaganda into peoples’ living rooms when they are relaxing, schools, when the children are ‘learning’ and into the heads of young children being baby-sat by the TV.

    **there are few, if any, around now, as we all know!

  4. I read over the weekend that a group of people are planning to instigate legal actions against the Government over the get out posters. This group is based in the People’s Republic of Tower Hamlets, no surprises there, the only surprise would be if they were resident in this country which so many of the Bengali electorate are not, not that one should say such things, it’s racist don’t yer know, not that I give a bugger about such nonsense.

    What gets my goat on this idiocy is the complete waste of money. Does anyone in their right mind believe these interlopers will shove off on reading this bilge? well no-one in the real World. This is just another PR stunt by the puerile clowns in charge of our country.

  5. Clear Memories
    July 29th, 2013 – 09:59

    Thanks for the link, I am ashamed to say that I burst out laughing .!!!

  6. I don’t believe that there is a single, coherent conspiracy against our Western democracy and civilization, but I do believe that there is an inter-network of agencies, organisations and individuals who operate to their mutual benefit and to further their own agendas.

    I think that I see the political and social landscape as facilitating such malign interests and agendas, and believe that these malign interests and agendas act on the landscape even as they are facilitated by it, so as to accelerate the change in the landscape and the effects of these groups. If we imagine a natural landscape, some small change might cause a stream to flow this way down the hillside rather than that way. At first the change is almost unnoticed. But with each storm the stream is more firmly established in its new course. It begins to erode the ground, and rocks and stones are undermined and fall down the slope. These falling rocks and stones cause further erosion in the landscape themselves and the stream becomes more deeply embedded in the hillside. When a rock is eroded it naturally falls down into the gorge being made by the stream. The landscape naturally encourages activity which causes further erosion.

    We are seeing many rocks falling down the hillside, in terms of policies and programmes, and they are united by the forces which are recreating the political and social landscape. They have not planned to fall together, but when they do fall it is the nature of the landscape which determines how they fall. It is easier to make a rock fall downhill into the valley or gorge caused by the stream than to roll it uphill. And the accelerating political and social erosion causes an acceleration in the individual acts of erosion, the rocks rolling down the hillside, while the acceleration in the individual acts of erosion accelerates the change in the landscape itself.

    I wonder if we are not looking at individual rocks and wondering how to roll them back up the slope, when what is required is a radical restoration of the landscape. Our enemies will be happy for us to painfully struggle to replace a rock here and a boulder there, since they know that the forces within the very nature of the landscape will always be tending to produce the outcome they desire. We must somehow dam up the stream at its source and cause it to flow down the other side of the watershed so that the forces within the political and social landscape operate to cause the stream to flow towards a different ocean altogether. Only by such an action will the stream running down towards the dark and polluted ocean we see in the near distance be caused to dry up entirely.

  7. We must somehow dam up the stream at its source:
    But how?
    The socialists only get in by popular vote.
    The masses have abrogated their right to a view.

  8. Peter from Maidstone
    July 29, 2013-12.45

    And then there’s this of course :

    ‘ For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this present world, against spiritual wickedness in high places ‘
    Ephesians 6:12

  12. Just been listening to tommy by Kipling on you tube.
    I felt the sentiments he is expressing could easily be linked towards the EDL and the attitude they are up against.
    And the name tommy fits in well.

  13. “No great civilization is destroyed from without until it has thoroughly destroyed itself from within”.

    This was written about Greece, and has just appeared on screen at the beginning of the excellent film Apocalypto, which I am watching again, where it is applied to the Mayans. But it has much applicability to ourselves.

  14. Where have all the flowers gone?

    “While perusing the B[ank] ofE[ngland]’s new website application, which allows you to take a virtual tour of the Kingdom’s gold vaults, Macleod learned that in June the bank was holding 400,000, 400-ounce gold bars.

    As a veteran precious metals adviser, Macleod noticed a discrepancy between this figure and the Bank’s year-end accounting from February which reported 505,000 bars in storage.

    “Roughly a 100,000 bars seems to have disappeared from the 28th of February when the annual report was dated and some time in June,” Macleod told Keiser. “So where has this gold gone?”

    http://www.mining.com/what-has-the-bank-of-england-done-with-1300-tonnes-of-gold-80425/

  18. PfM
    I am bemused at your gloomy outlook.
    Despite the liberals we are doing tolerably well. We are pulling out of recession. We are strong in our Western beliefs. Our currencies are strong. Unemployment is down. I guess you need a dose of our Southern Baptist revival.

  20. Or heed Willy Rice

    “God’s people have no business being afraid, no business being anxious. We know who holds the future in his hands. … Nothing has happened in recent days on Wall Street or in Washington to keep us from serving God,” he said.

    Rice went on to exhort the convention to keep working and keep giving.

    “God’s kingdom is going to prevail. These are tough days, but opportunity is knocking at the door,” he said.”

    I guess the point I am making is that apparently dark days should bring out the fighting spirit which will with help from above make us prevail.
    In Junior High we were taught that in the dark days of 1940 when all was lost your half American Prime Minister exhorted you to prevail and with our help you did.

  21. JJB

    “We are pulling out of recession. We are strong in our Western beliefs. Our currencies are strong. Unemployment is down.”

    Are you nuts?

  22. Malfleur

    If you look at the Anglo Saxon world you will see the truth of what I say.
    You folks purport to decry the Eurozone but you spout a very European view.

  23. Unlike the Eurozone governments in the depth of a depression, both Anglo-Saxon governments (UK and US ) control their own monetary and fiscal policies and have their own national currencies that they can manipulate.

    Why so gloomy. Here is what we read about yourselves:-

    The Chancellor hailed the latest growth figures but cautioned that there is “still a long way to go”.

    It was the first time since 2011 that the UK has seen back-to-back quarterly increases, after a 0.3 per cent rise at the beginning of this year.

    The Office for National Statistics figures showed all the main sectors of the economy grew for the first time since the third quarter of 2010, adding to hopes for a recovery.

    David Cameron said the growth figures were “encouraging”.

    “We are on the right track – building an economy for hardworking people,” he tweeted.

  26. Cigar chompin’ John Jefferson ‘Lordy Lordy’ Burns LDXVMIXCC

    So today’s Southern Baptist lessons for us benighted proles are:

    1. If Churchill hadn’t been half American, we wouldn’t have prevailed.

    2. If our quaint li’l ol’ Prime Minister Cameron says it, it must be true. Even though he isn’t half American.

    You, JJB, are what is known in South London (the capital of Cornshire) as a ‘prize plonker’. You keep me young, JJB, you keep me young.

  28. What the USA needs now is a president who is half English. I will leave my comrades on the Wall to decide which half.

    In the meantime, JJB could usefully take a study holiday in a seaside cottage in Detroit,

  30. Anne Wotana Kaye 1
    July 30th, 2013 – 12:09
    Ironic how the lawmakers temper their judgements with a complete lack of mercy. It has been deemed acceptable for disabled adults and children to be deprived of their own rooms due to the woeful financial state of the country. Unfortunately, amy disabled and very ill people really need to sleep in their own bedrooms. Beds have to be adapted to medical needs, and for a healthy child to share with a sibling can be fraught with problems. If the unfortunate families insist on retaining the ‘extra’ bedroom they will be responsible for paying extra money each week, which most can barely afford. How apt, that David Cameron who had a seriously disabled son, who later died, went ahead and created a whole basement area to give the child plenty of living space. The building of basements often endangers the stability of neighbouring houses, but when it is the Cameron family, that is a small detail. There surely is one law for the rich and another for the poor.
    Peter from Maidstone
    July 30th, 2013 – 12:42
    Anne, reading the guidance, every disabled child CAN have their own room on submission of medical evidence and every adult over 16 can have their own room.
    Anne Wotana Kaye 1
    July 30th, 2013 – 14:28
    Peter from Maidstone
    July 30th, 2013 – 12:42
    Peter, I was listening to a BBC News programme today, and whilst in theory this is what was said, I don’t believe a word of what this U-Term government says in theory. I hope I am wrong.
    Peter from Maidstone
    July 30th, 2013 – 15:03
    Anne, I have read the notes available to anyone claiming benefit. The rules are as I describe. I am in broad agreement. The best solution is employment not benefits.
    Anne Wotana Kaye 1
    July 30th, 2013 – 15:40
    Peter from Maidstone
    July 30th, 2013 – 15:03
    Are we on the wrong page?
    I too agree with employment not benefits. BUT, in a country where jobs are scarce for the able-bodied, how much harder are they to find for the disabled? Here there is a culture of “not being awfully keen” on employing the disabled, whether they are blind, amputees or whatever. Goes right back to after World War I, and unlike other countries where the blind and disabled can and do work, our unfortunate disabled are shunted off on miserable pensions/benefits. So you are in broad agreement, Peter? Well, must have a Ladies/Gentleman’s Agreement to disagree! 🙂

  31. I think that I am back, various things happened that has caused me to change my computer system at great expense.

    PC World were the cause of my computer failing (long Story) and were also, alas, my choice to purchase the new.

    It is a nightmare, I have for nine years used very happily Windows XP but now have been supplied with Windows 8, they flatly refused to supply Windows 7 a system nearer to XP so I have been told.

    From now on it will be like learning Greek.

  32. Here is an interesting article written by a ‘left wing’ accountant, who compiles annual financial reports for a bank, and objects to being tarred with the same brush as ‘bankers’.

    Group financial reporting manager: ‘We need to allow people to work in banks without being made to feel like villains’
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/30/group-financial-reporting-manager

    What is interesting is that she makes so many valid points, is good at noticing what is normal human interaction, even though it may not be PC, and yet …. and yet still has reservations and does not reach her destination.

    Here is a paragraph that shows her inner conflict:

    “”You ask why I chose to volunteer for this interview. This is the reason. I feel that banker-bashing has gone too far. On a dating site you’d better hide that you’re working in a bank or you’ll have no chance. With my family it’s worse. They are all fairly leftwing; I am fairly leftwing myself. My family don’t seem to realise how upsetting it is for me to hear their endless criticisms of the banks. And you know what? I agree with almost all of what they’re saying. Yet I feel this strange need to argue. For instance when people complain that ‘the banks are not lending’. Look, the financial crisis was caused by banks making loans that couldn’t be paid back. Is it any wonder that the banks are now being cautious about lending? And wouldn’t we be saying they were being irresponsible if they weren’t?”

    I think that she does not address the responsibility of Government, in making law and ensuring that judges interpret the law as deemed by Parliament, and also the roles that the Chancellor of the Exchequer and Bank of England used to have in refereeing (or is it umpiring) the fair play expected of the participants in the City.

    The comments on the accompanying blogpost are something else, but I think that her article is a sincere and valiant attempt to sort out the mess in her own mind and that she was brave to get it published in the Guardian.

  33. David Ossitt@July 30th, 2013 – 19:01

    Our local independant computer shop does very well taking windoze 8 off new computers and putting XP or windows 7 on.

    Small shop run by young lads.

  34. RobertC@July 30th, 2013 – 19:15

    MSN have unhelpfully bashed all bankers. Many people in banks are not gambling with other peoples money and making huge bonuses. The tellers in my local branch are bankers, and probably get a small bonus each year. But they dont need slagging off at every opportunity.

  35. David Ossitt 30th, – 19:01

    “From now on it will be like learning Greek.”

    I sympathise, David…I renewed my laptop a few months ago; Windows 8 was the only thing on offer. I’m at last up to a basic level of functioning, but nowhere near as fluent as with XP (or 7!). That said, for all its quirks and unusual modus operandi, it appears to be very reliable, operates my old M/S Office 2007 just fine. Haven’t got round to installing image processing software yet, so when that happens…we’ll see.

    Hangin’ in there!

  36. I see that John Jefferson Burns is making excellent progress – as the new Daniel Korski.

  38. Radford NG 30th, – 13:40

    “Obama IS half English;and half African,surly.”

    Well, we certainly see the surly side of him these days! (Must be finding the job a bit demanding?)

  39. David Ossitt
    July 30th, 2013 – 19:01

    Condolences, David. PC World nearly caused me to have a heart attack or become a murderer! They took my laptop (which originally I bought from them) away for a repair. They also took £50 as money towards the repair. It came back, repaired, so they said. It was still not working. I took it back and paid a further £45 and waited two weeks. It came back, repaired, so they said. It was still not working. Twice this routine was repeated, so four times I (or rather my poor husband) had to make two bus rides with it and the weather was wet and cold. After four times, I blew a carefully planned fuse. I started to shout, demanded my money back, said the youngsters in the shop were not to blame, but the owners and managers were rogues. I shouted that I would contact “Watchdog”, I yelled that they were giving a poor old woman a heart attack. Guess what? I got my money back. But I didn’t get the time we wasted back, nor the strain on my nerves, PC World stands for Plonkers Crazy World.

  40. Alexsandr – 19:18 ‘bankers?’
    In fact, many of the few that have ‘gambled’ or, more often than not, acted without any risk of success, in the banking industry have not been bankers. They have had successful careers in marketing, advertising or some similar area and have then been invited in to display that their luck has run out.

  41. Anne Wotana Kaye 1@July 30th, 2013 – 20:15

    We had appalling service from Argos pet insurance. Wrote to the CEO at the registered office address. Sorted in a week. So writing to the CEO helps, i reckon.

  43. Alexsandr
    July 30th, 2013 – 20:33
    I also wrote to the CEO at PC World, but it didn’t help. I guess the one at Argos pet insurance is a pussy cat! 🙂

  44. ACP

    “…today’s Southern Baptist lessons for us benighted proles…”

    When two eternaly smiling Jehovahs’ Witnessii caught me at the door earlier today I was reminded of Mr Austen Barry’s excellent advice on obtaining early closure with such folk.

    “Thank you. We are a Satanist household.”

    However, not wishing to unduly antagonise future allies in the Tenth Crusade I simply and truthfully advised them that I was the repairman and had to be about my business.

  45. We all greatly miss Frank P.

    On EDL : First their Mission Statement:-

    (1) HUMAN RIGHTS: Protecting And Promoting Human Rights.

    (2) DEMOCRACY AND THE RULE OF LAW: Promoting Democracy And The Rule Of Law By Opposing Sharia.

    (3) PUBLIC EDUCATION: Ensuring That The Public Get A Balanced Picture Of Islam.

    (4) RESPECTING TRADITION: Promoting The Traditions And Culture Of England While At The Same Time Being Open To Embrace The Best That Other Cultures Can Offer.

    (5) INTERNATIONAL OUTLOOK: Working In Solidarity With Others Around The World.

    Splendid.

    Even Justin Welby would applaud this.

    So let us examine Wikipedia:

    “The English Defence League (EDL) is a far-right street protest movement which opposes what it considers to be a spread of Islamism, Sharia law and Islamic extremism in the United Kingdom.The EDL has been described as Islamophobic.The group has faced confrontations with various groups, including Unite Against Fascism (UAF).”

    As with all right wing groups there is overlap of membership with other like-minded groups past and present.

    There is however personal antipathy between Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson but Tommy forged a close liaison with Paul Weston in the BNP splinter group the British Freedom Party(BFP). Paul Weston himself was a former UKIP candidate.

    Sadly for Tommy the BFP was deregistered soon after Tommy was named deputy leader.

    Now to Tommy himself.
    That is not his real name which is well known to be Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.
    Now why did he change?
    Embarrassingly for the EDL there is evidence (see Ancient Faces website) that “names like Yaxley originate from religious texts like the Quran….In many cases these family names relate to a religious phrase such as “Favoured of God” ”

    So before we get to the organisation we have interesting information about the background and motives of the leader.

  46. Surname: Yaxley

    Recorded in several forms including Yaxley, and the dialectals Yoakley, Yockley, and Yokley, this is an English surname. It is locational and derives either from the two villages called Yaxley in the counties of Huntingdonshire and Suffolk or from some now “lost” medieval village of a similar origin.

  47. Every Sunday morning, early, I take a taxi to an international hotel some way off from where I live, jump out, pick up a copy of the Weekend Financial Times and a loaf of “7 grain bread” and circle back using the waiting taxi to a cafe in my area which serves “tsokolate eh” mentioned in José Rizal’s novel, Noli Me Tangere (1887).

    Rizal was shot by the Spanish for campaigning, rather like Nigel Farage, for the independence of his country. He believed, rather as we British do, or the Israelis, that the only justification for national liberation and self-government is the restoration of the dignity of the people.

    The Weekend edition of the FT usually has some good things in it, and July 27/28 was no exception, though I am still reading it as I presently have little time. There is for instance a good review by Peter Aspden of three film books. One is a record of table talk by Orson Welles who says this of Woody Allen: “I can hardly bear to talk to him. He has the Chaplin disease. That particular combination of arrogance and timidity sets my teeth on edge”.

    Once, a long time ago, dreamed about Arthur Rubinstein, though in the nicest way I hasten to add. I had met his son at a private home in Hollywood; although I am afraid that I cannot say that his son met me. Welles records of the great pianist: “The greatest cocksman…[he] walked through life as though it was one big party”. Well we all try, from time to time, I suppose.

  48. It’s interesting that Goodhart’s Demos thinktank has proposed that immigrants should not have access to benefits for 2 years and that there should not be free movement from poorer European countries.

    As we discussed with Cameron’s statement that immigration was a drain on the UK I think we need to take this as permission to publicise this viewpoint widely.

    The liberals might hope these statements will let off stream without requiring anything to change. But we know that even making such statements is already a sign of cracks appearing.

  49. Doreen Lawrence is to receive a peerage.

    Why? Maybe for having the loudest mouth in the country for the last 20 years.

  50. Lesley C.
    July 31st, 2013 – 15:15
    Good luck to her! Whether you agree with her or not, like or dislike her, you know she is here. Better than all the mealy-mouthed, milk sops who sit like dummies and let life defecate over them.
    Most of them would see a soldier being beheaded with machetes in broad daylight, and look the other way.

  51. DEMOS : Had just been looking this up…..noted it was founded in 1993 by an ex-editor of Marxism Today,the journal of the Communist Party G.B. It is/was close to Blair who was at it’s first meeting.A later Director,Richard Reeves,left in 2010 to become an adviser to Nick Clegg.

  52. MARXISM TODAY : Martin Jacques (who later founded DEMOS) was editor from 1977 to 1991,gaining the position with the support of Eric Hobsbawn.It became the voice of the majority Euro-Communist (Gramscian) faction of the Communist Party G.B. It influenced the British soft-left including Neil Kinnock.It coined the term Thatcherism before she come to office.Notoriously it published an article by Tony Blair in Oct.1991 titled “Forging A New Agenda”;from which it can be said New Labour sprang:although Jacques and Hobsbawn later opposed`The Project`.For the Blair article SEE http://www.unz.org/Pub/MarxismToday-1991oct-00032

  53. David Ossitt July 30th, 2013 – 19:01

    “…From now on it will be like learning Greek.”

    Or more aptly, Geek, which is far worse.

    Νώε

  55. Radford NG

    Demos are an interesting bunch:

    In November 2011 Demos published a report entitled Inside the EDL: Populist Politics in a Digital Age, the authors of which, Jamie Bartlett and Mark Littler, had the novel idea of placing advertisements on Facebook asking for EDL supporters to complete a survey.

    This approach had some obvious weaknesses, not least the fact that an online poll necessarily skewed the results with regard to the income and educational qualifications of respondents, as internet access is closely linked to both (an OxIS study last year found that 45% of people earning £12,500 a year or less, and 61% of people with no educational qualifications, had never used the internet). However, the Demos approach did have the merit of providing a large pool of respondents. Altogether 1,295 supporters and sympathisers of the EDL participated in the Demos survey.

    So what was found

  56. See above
    This from the Demos site:

    The English Defence League (EDL) is the biggest populist street movement in a generation. Yet the make-up of the group and what its members believe remain a mystery because it has no formal joining procedures or membership list and much of its activity takes place online.

    While leaders of the EDL claim they are a pluralistic, liberal movement that is fighting Islamic extremism, chants heard at demonstrations and the vitriol frequently posted on the EDL’s chat forums suggest otherwise. It is in this context that we have undertaken the first ever large-scale empirical study of the EDL, which comprises responses from 1,295 sympathisers and supporters, and includes data on their demographics, involvement in EDL activity, political attitudes and social views. The results show that, although the EDL is usually understood as an anti-Islamic or anti-Islamist demonstrating group, the reality is more complex.

    Supporters are characterised by intense pessimism about the UK’s future, worries about immigration and joblessness. This is often mixed with a proactive pride in Britain, British history and British values, which they see as being under attack from Islam. Although their demonstrations have often involved violence and racist chants, many members are democrats who are committed to peaceful protest and other forms of activism.

    The collection of large amounts of data from social media presents new opportunities for social research to understand the relationship between off- and online activity. As more movements combine – and blur – virtual and real protest, these questions will become increasingly urgent and important. These surveys, collected through Facebook using a new methodology, offer new ways forward in exploring this challenge

  57. Patriccia Shaw@July 31st, 2013 – 20:02

    Surely all surveys using the internet are a self selecting sample.

    And anyway, there are some demographics they don’t have access to the internet so are excluded,

    Think we have to take such findings with a pinch of salt TBH.

  60. The reaction to Doreen Lawrence’s peerage.

    The Daily Mail has banned all negative comments.

    The positive comments have been red arrowed by people in their thousands:

    The Telegraph readers are allowed to comment (we don’t know to what extent they are censored, but they are).

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2381897/Baroness-Doreen-Stephen-Lawrences-mother-gets-peerage-20-years-racist-murder-son.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10213791/Labour-peerage-for-Doreen-mother-of-murdered-teenager-Stephen-Lawrence.html

    This woman’s plight has been exploited so long and so hard it is now regarded as emotional blackmail whenever she opens her mouth.

    Ironically it was Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre who unleashed all of this.

    Neville Lawrence was working on Dacre’s mansion when the case was brought to his attention.

    Everyone can sympathise with the parent of a murdered child, but what about all the racist murders, rapes and attacks on whites that the authorities refuse to recognise?

    The House of Lords should be scrapped.

    It is part of the EU, quango, put it at arm’s length responsibility from Parliament scam.

    I am not prejudiced at all when I say this to the House of Lords:

    I hate every single unelected, greasy little peer in there.

    Their patronage and appointment to public life and a law-making body are nothing short of a scandal.

    Perhaps in that respect, Baron Lawrence’s appointment will make people finally wake up to how we’re all being shafted across the board.

  61. David Goodhart is leading the panic.

    He is Mr Let’s Shift The Blame Off LibLabCon.

    Mr Goodhart’s message is, in shortL ‘No conspiracy here. Didn’t mean to hurt you. We’re sorting it all out. As you can see.

    ‘We’ll sort it all out even more after 2015, when you suckers have voted LibLabCon again.

    ‘Trust us.’

    Goodhart knows how committed the Tories are to mass immigration because it lowers wages, so he can endorse what Camoron is doing.

    It’s very interesting to watch how disingenuous all this stuff is. Goodhart with his phoney caring. Theresa May and her pathetic vans (it’s basically an anti-UKIP advert paid for by the taxpayer).

    It’s also interesting to see how most people are seeing through it.

    There is nothing worse than a fake apology.

    Goodhart, Cameron, May.

    LibLabCon.

    Theirs is the smelliest, most fake apology in history.

    And anyone taken in by it is a total fool.

  62. Mrs Tiggywinkle, I don’t disagree with you at all and think that you have perceptively described the Demos agenda.

    Goodhart has been kind enough to correspond a little with me. I think he is entirely open that he considers it necessary to restore a sense of British identity and social coherence so that the socialist agenda can be implemented. But this is the same sort of thing that Lord Glasman has said, that it is necessary to restore a British coherence and integrity before we can actually conduct British politics.

    I think that we can properly consider that all socialist discourse about limiting immigration and benefits for migrants etc has as its aim the recreation of a British society so that socialism can be implemented here. But we must use their discourse while rejecting their agenda. There is no need to be taken in by it, as you point out, but there is a need to use such language for our own patriotic and conservative ends.

  65. Mrs Tiggywinkle
    July 31st, 2013 – 20:59
    “The reaction to Doreen Lawrence’s peerage.
    The Daily Mail has banned all negative comments”

    I posted a mildly negative comment on the Mail myself, but of course it wasn’t printed. I did think it curious that while every single comment praising Lawrence attracted hundreds or thousands of red arrows, there wasn’t a single comment critical of the woman.

    The Mail didn’t even have the decency to admit they were refusing to print negative comments, but tried to give the impression that every “decent” person in the country was in favour of this ridiculous peerage.

  66. A few years ago there was an episode of Spooks in which terrorists bombed London.

    The fictional terrorists were Israeli.

    In other words, the fiction was so fictional it was propaganda.

    Hardly a word was said in the mainstream media.

    Nothing has been said about this next storyline distortion on this BBC drama, Luther.

    If you haven’t seen it, you’ll have heard it hyped.

    And the reason why it’s hyped is that Luther is black.

    All bow down.

    Luther’s latest storyline:

    Super-clever and sexy black cop Luther investigates the fatal shooting of two hoodies – all the dumb White cops think it’s just the usual gangland tit for tat, but Luther figures it was a “vigilante killing”.

    And the colour of the vigilante?…

    BBC1 Luther

    “Two hoodies are shot in what appears to be a gangland crime, until a third murder victim gives Luther a vital clue – someone is killing people who have a criminal record. Sure enough the culprit soon posts a film of himself online, calling for changes to the public justice system. The race is on to find the vigilante before he strikes again – but with so many potential victims, that may be easier said than done. As ever, the DCI’s personal life gets in the way of his investigation when a distraught Mary turns up after a visit from Stark and Gray – can he convince her to ever trust him again?”

    So in BBC land, the problem is not black crime, but white vigilantes.

    And Israeli terrorism in London.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b037lc89/Luther_Series_3_Episode_4/

  67. Indeed, Lesley C!

    The Mail is very, very heavily censored.

    Not only do they want to control (and monitor – they demand email addresses) debate, they will not have their ‘serious’ columnists upstaged, even by a readership that is broadly of the same mind.

    They want it all dumbed down so they get their strongest points across.

    It’s a website that must be read with a very long spoon!

  68. There is the most dreadful article on globalism by Iain Martin on the Telegraph.

    Only the comments are worth looking at (actually, that’s true of nearly everything on the Telegraph.

    Here’s a choice one:

    gorsehill

    Today 05:20 PM

    Iain writes: “But there is a much darker side to all this creative destruction and innovation, which is clearly visible in several recent developments. For instance, the social media website Twitter is in several respects a useful invention, but parts of it are a moral sewer.”

    Look, Iain, the peoples native to Europe are being relentlessly colonised and replaced by racial aliens brought in by “the governing class”, to use your term. That class is wholly obeisant to the bankers and financiers and dateline corporation CEOs whose interests globalism exists to advance.

    One would think that the slow genocide of racial Europe would be a matter of interest to journalists. But never a word is said about it. You, for example, prefer to earmark Twitter as the downside of globalism. One is bound to ask why. What are you protecting when you fail so ignonimously to confront the Great Question of the age? Your job? The politically correct dictat? What’s going on? Why the omerta?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/10214068/Globalisation-has-a-darker-side-and-its-a-challenge-to-us-all.html

  69. Migration Watch

    In an attempt to limit, or at least to improve the quality of, immigration into the country, the government’s test of knowledge of and empathy with English culture is to be expanded by the addition of five English songs which the applicant will have to be able to perform, with or without accompaniment, and from which one will be selected at random by the examiner on the date of the test.

    Here is one of the five from the men’s list – sound on, please:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvivyrk0QzE

  70. Anti-white genocide should be the only topic on the front cover of newspapers every single day.

    That is the only story in town.

    Anti-white Luther on TV.

    And Doreen Lawrence in the House of Lords.

    This is not about black ‘rights’.

    It is about anti-white genocide.

  71. Asian thug: ‘I’m going to break every white bone in your white face’.

    That’s the tip of the iceberg, onlt prosecuted because there were loads of witnesses and the victim knew how to complain.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2381823/Asian-footballer-jailed-racist-tirade-match-referee.html

    Oh how LibLabCon laugh at white people getting abused and hit because of their actions.

    ‘Stick Doreen Lawrence in the House of Lords, that should give licence to more anti-white beatings and abuse.’

    That’s their attitude.

  73. The Revival of British Patriotism?

    “….Alas, the UKIP, in its ascent to power, has undergone a transformation. Its policy to put an end to the age of “mass uncontrolled immigration” through a 5-year-freeze on immigration and a cap of 50,000 people per annum on future immigration, its main selling point, is under review.

    Its positions on Islam have increasingly shown signs of the same battered wife syndrome that has long affected the British elites vis-à-vis the religion of peace, to the point that UKIP is now indistinguishable on this issue from the three mainstream parties — Tories, Labour and Liberal Democrats…..”

    …

    “…Could the softening of UKIP’s positions explain its sharp decline in opinion polls, already evident in June and now even more pronounced? It was supported by 18% of respondents in May, 12% in June and now just 7%.

    Could UKIP be repeating the mistake the GOP made in choosing half-conservative Romney as a presidential candidate? Maybe people want a clear, uncompromising message and don’t trust U-turns.”…

    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/enza-ferreri/the-new-british-patriotic-renaissance/

  74. Where have all the flowers gone? – Part 2

    (See above, July 29th, 2013 – 23:20)

    It gets worse –

    ‘The Bank for International Settlements actually financed Hitler’s war machine’

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/bank-of-england/10213988/Never-mind-the-Czech-gold-the-Nazis-stole….html

    A good thing there weren’t any conspiracy theorists about back then. I’m sure that the BIS is much more nicely behaved now and is in good hands.

    But about the policy changes in UKIP and that party’s sharp decline in the polls since May, it does make we wonder, quite unjustifiably, – could Nigel Farage have been nobbled?

  75. Redneck
    July 29th, 2013 – 06:29

    “I guess fundamentally: cui bono?”

    Where have all the flowers gone? Part 3

    “…the BIS was so useful for the Nazis that Emil Puhl, the vice-president of the Reichsbank and BIS director, referred to the BIS as the Reichsbank’s only “foreign branch”….

    …Thomas McKittrick, an American banker, was president of the BIS. When the United States entered the war in December 1941,…

    …McKittrick managed to keep the bank in business, thanks in part to his friend Allen Dulles, the US spymaster based in Berne. McKittrick was an asset of Dulles, known as Codename 644, and frequently passed him information that he had garnered from Emil Puhl, who was a frequent visitor to Basel and often met McKittrick.

    Declassified documents in the American intelligence archives reveal an even more disturbing story. Under an intelligence operation known as the “Harvard Plan”, McKittrick was in contact with Nazi industrialists, working towards what the US documents, dated February 1945, describe as a “close cooperation between the Allied and German business world”. …

    … Aided by its powerful friends, such as Montagu Norman, Allen Dulles and much of Wall Street, the BIS survived the attempts by Morgenthau and White to close it down. The bank’s allies used precisely the argument detailed on page 1,295 of the Bank of England’s history: the BIS was needed to plan the post-war European economy.

    From the 1950s to the 1990s the BIS hosted much of the planning and technical preparation for the introduction of the euro. Without the BIS the euro would probably not exist. In 1994, Alexander Lamfalussy, the former BIS manager, set up the European Monetary Institute, now known as the European Central Bank. ”

    [ibid.]

  76. Malfleur 0259

    UKIP have lost the Zeitgeist.
    Why?
    There is now a promised referendum and Joe Public see that Cameron cannot do more with Clegg chained to his ankles.
    Further Farage is becoming to be seen as an empty vessel. People like at first a hard drinking and smoking politician but when coupled with tax avoidance they pause for thought.
    Most important the persistent suggestions that a UKIP vote will let Labour in in Tory marginal is the final turn off.

  77. Patriccia Shaw @ 06:41

    The article by Enza Ferreri in so far as it refers to UKIP is asking in effect whether UKIP would regain its trending popularity if it were (1) to abandon its “review” of its own immigration policy and (2) to adopt a counter-jihadist policy which would sharply distinguish it from the appeasement of islamic ideology currently favoured by the three main dinosaur parties.

    These policies reinforce the electorate’s sense that it and Nigel Farrage are on the same wavelength. People already believe that he is also tuned in to commercial realities in a way that has escaped those leading the dinosaur parties who are forever fiddling with their knobs. Combine that with UKIP’s basic commitment to negotiating trade relations with Europe outside the European Union, and when the economic storms begin to break in September you will find UKIP riding the Zeitgeist again.

    What worries me is though that he and a couple of his key people may have been nobbled.

  78. By the way, Patriccia, I am sure that the lovely Enza Ferreri may be able to help you with your intellectual orientation. As she notes on her web site, linked at the foot of the Front Page magazine article cited in my earlier post at 02:59:

    “I have a Page on Facebook, called Save the West. Save the West from what threatens to destroy it from without, Islam, and from within, cultural Marxism, what we sarcastically but also too kindly call “political correctness”. Come and have a look and, if you like it, Like it. ”

    Of course we are learning that Al Qaeda, for instance, is actually a tool of certain Western interests, in Syria at least; and so it may be that cultural Marxism is a tool of those on the right. Don’t lose the Zeitgeist.

  79. Lot’s of interesting posts overnight. I’d not felt at all well yesterday and slept soundly while keyboards were pounding.

    Noa, I do think we need to act politically, though I am not sure what you mean about playing with fire. To be honest I agree with both Goodhart and Glasman, who have suggested that it is not possible to conduct politics in Britain unless we regain our sovereignty and national integrity. Of course they want to conduct national politics to a different end, but they are right, it is not possible to engage in British politics while we are overwhelmed with non-British immigrants and our sovereignty hase been gifted to Brussels.

    I am very surprised that UKIP are not taking advantage of these comments from the Left, including Cameron, and saying loudly, THESE ARE ALREADY OUR POLICIES, DO YOU REALLY TRUST CAMERON OR MILLIBAND TO IMPLEMENT THEM!

  80. Who would have thought, looking at this photograph when it was first published that, thirty-five years on, this young man would be proposing to lend arms to Al Qaeda terrorists in Syria on condition that the terrorists would return them when through?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/10213273/The-National-Archives-Thatcher-miners-and-nuclear-weapons-among-secrets.html?frame=2631679

    By the way, is it the North East or the North West of England that the Coalition government considers to be a desolate wasteland? Do they know the difference?

  81. Glasman as you point out is an interesting character as evidenced by this a couple of months ago:-

    After the funeral of Margaret Thatcher the country faces a pressing question. What comes after Thatcherism? Thatcher redefined what it was reasonable to say in British politics. She set the Conservative party on the road to economic liberalism and state centralisation, an inheritance that was maintained by New Labour. The result was personal debt, public deficit and political demoralisation. The prevailing political paradigm is incapable of changing the dynamics of either our economic pathway or our increasing inequality. The state and the market are still in control; the City of London and Whitehall continue to rule.
    …. the renewal of democracy can be achieved only with effective leadership. By challenging prevailing orthodoxies, having the courage to defy the old consensus and define a new political position, and championing changes (party organisers; the living wage; the interest rate cap; the establishment of regional banks; a renewed vocational economy; a relational approach to welfare within a politics of renewed solidarity)….

    (Sadly he comes top the wrong conclusion as to who has the necessary leadership)

  82. I can’t say I have a problem with speaking about the North-East as desolate. The word means lonely and uninhabited rather than devastated and polluted. I’d have thought parts of the North-East are indeed lonely and uninhabited? I’ve been to parts that certainly suit that description. It need not be read as derogatory.

  83. All of you would know about the Luddite uprisings in the 19th century both in cloth making and in agriculture, the anarchy it engendered, the government response to it, that at one point more British soldiers were fighting the revolting masses than Napoleon? Well, has the movement stopped the progress of technology? Would we have gone back to crafts, only the artisans making cloth by hand either with or without the trials, executions, the Frame Breaking Act? Baron doubts it. The country got over it, adapted to it, and despite all the pain and suffering unquestionably benefited from the new technology in the end.

    Globalisation is but another tsunami like change effecting the way we live with, amongst other things, painful effects on employment prospects in Western countries with labour costs far above those countries that haven’t yet discovered Welfare and entitlements. We have to adapt again, globalisation cannot be reversed any more than cloth making looms could have been disinvented way back when Nelson was born in East Anglia.

    More to the point, the other side of globalisation, that which we experience daily as consumers has brought us more ‘happiness’ than our parents could have even dreamt about. Perhaps too much of it, who on earth needs to buy a piece of clothing each week when the pair of trousers, the shirt, the pair of trainers bought the week before are all still perfectly serviceable? Same goes for food, just go spy the trollies of people shopping at Tescos, only the size of the bellies of those pushing the mountains of stuff, all high in sugar and fats, can compete with the trollies’ content. This, my blogging friends, also comes under the heading of globalisation, and again, we should address it for it’s as crippling for the society as is the scarcity of jobs.

    The point of this ranting is, ot’s no good crying over globalisation, it’s here, it’s irrevocable, it will bring more benefits that the arrangement we had before provided we figure how to live with it.

    (the figuring up seems to be the Achilles heel, but only because those in charge appear incapable addressing it, more ranting on this next).

  84. I’d be interested in having a chat with Lord Glasman about the necessity of restoring national integrity to be able to engage in national politics. We know that many on the Left don’t believe in nationality and are using various means to subvert it. But are there those on the Left who have a nationalistic view of socialism in the sense of a British Labour movement and who therefore might be allies in restoring British soveriegnty?

    I might see if I can communicate again with Goodhart and Glasman on this issue. Though I need to read Goodhart’s latest book first. But it’s £20 so it must wait.

  85. I’m not sure I entirely agree Baron because it seems to me that the excesses of globalisation, which extend beyond trade, tend to subvert our national soverignty and I am not sure anything is more important. We have become a stupid, ignorant, greedy and selfish people who are satiated by unrestained consumerism and the most coarse of entertainment. This is surely the intention of globalisation as an agenda and conspiracy. A more intelligent people would not sell their birthright for a mess of pottage as we have done.

    International trade is one thing and is positive. Globalisation is intent on destroying our national culture and integrity and is an ally of the Left.

  87. Globalization means allowing everywhere beyond the Oder-Neissa Line to export their unemployment to Britain.There can only be free movement between countries of a comparable economic (and cultural) level.

  88. Tell me then Peter, how does globalisation destroy our culture, identity, how has it subverted our sovereignty ? Are you also saying our becoming seedy, vulgar, selfish is because of globalisation? And what are the excesses of globalisation?

    In Baron’s view, the key impact of globalisation on the societies in the West in the productive sphere was the disappearance of jobs. We’ve lost to those countries that pay far below the cost of labour is here. You can hardly argue this was an even contributory factor in our agreeing to submit to be ruled by Brussels, or to our being seedy, arrogant, selfish.

    Globalisation has FA to do either with the Left or the Right, it’s a societal phenomenon and fits into the man’s interaction with nature from the time he appeared on this planet. We take from nature, raise with its help, around a dozen of hard and soft commodities each then mould them into what we need with the help of technology, the results of man’s brainpower. We have always done so and will do so until the end of times (or mankind). The idea is to mould the stuff as efficiently as possible to lower the cost of the moulding, globalisation is but another model of the moulding, it is politics free and would have happened, in fact did happen in all regimes from the old communist-ups in the East to the Republic in the West.

  90. Globalisation is of the Left because it encourages and requires the growth of trans-national organisations which owe no loyalty to any nation, society or culture. Pepsi Co cares nothing about India, England, Equador or Angola as long as it can become the major provider of soft drinks, eliminating competition if possible.

    Santander cares nothing about the UK other than that we provide them with custom and customers. Likewise Google and Amazon. Google will facilitate any totalitarian state as long as it can make money. It cares nothing for any nation, culture or society.

    International trade allows a UK company to import materials and goods. Globalisation abstracts business organisation from the national context and such global organisations will seek to avoid local and national participation as far as possible.

    Globalisation requires us all to be and become nothing more than consumers, and consumers who belong to global organisations not national ones. This subverts our soveriegnty and integrity because global entities want to run globalisation for their own ends and therefore want to impose global regulations and conditions which are not subject to local and national control.

    And the Leftist Project encourages globalisation for the same reasons of anti-national government as far as possible. Globalisation imposes green and carbon regulations to the great benefit of globalised organisations. Globalisation removes restrictions on trade by totalitarian states such as China so that British businesses are undermined. Globalisation requires us to allow vast numbers of foreigners to come and work in the UK, subverting social cohesion and imposing a global government with greater soverignty than we are allowed.

    Globalisation is not just international trade. It is the development of global organisations that could care less about the UK or the sovereignty of any nation.

  91. EU : If I’m right ,last year we all paid a weekly poll-tax of £3-72 to the EU.That’s on every man ,woman and child.This on the basis of a net inpayment of £12-2 billion [as reported in the DM] and a population of 63million.

  92. Nation States are firewalls against tyranny. National identity is healthy. A ‘global’ identity is zero real identity.

    Globalisation places more and more power into fewer and fewer hands.

    A globalised world is one in which the truly powerful cannot be stopped by any democratic process or law or whatever.

    With the firewalls of national democracy/control removed the rich will be richer than they ever have been in human history. This is where we are now. The global elites are out of control. The banking collapse/crisis is only the most obvious example of this.
    Globalisation seems to be the sea that these elites need to swim in. Therefore, globalisation=bad.

  93. Boys, boys what’s wrong with you, the people who smashed looms had an identical argument. check, get some insight on the subject, a ‘loss of individualism, the death of craftsmanship, communities will die’ and stuff that was what worried them, they wanted to preserve it.

    Regretfully, the one who rules, the king was, is and will be the consumer, however much Peter or John may want to change us, we ain’t for changing, sorry.

    Consumerism, or rather the ability to acquire possessions has never ceased to be the primary motivation of human behaviour. Many a school of thought have tackled this vice in the human DNA, christianity is still at it, as is Islam, but they won’t succeed, never ever. Trust Baron, he knows, he’s looked it up.

    Coke hasn’t changed at all since it began flogging the sugarly poison around the world, it was transnational from the word ‘go’, it just that the world loves it so much the outfit turned big. Unfortunately, unless you, the opponents of global reach, want to follow the technique of the do-gooders who govern us today, ban the stuff, you won’t win. Also, you reckon, Peter, that a national outfit cares about you and Baron more than the hated globalised dens of evil? Outfit like the NHS? Arghhhh

    and Malfleur, you cheeky boy, you stay out of it.

  94. Baron, a national organisation can be made subject to national laws. Globalisation has nothing to do with nations. They are an obstacle to the agenda of various entirely unchallengeable trans-national bodies and agents. Nor is globalisation at all comparable to the invention of the loom. The one is subject to no nation and is a political and economic philosophy that is inimicable to nationality. The other is a mere technology which is indeed subject to national law.

    It is still possible for the people to determine that we will not pay for the wind generation scam while we have any soveriegnty. It is globalisation that would remove all possibility of dissent from us.

    And having cheap jeans made in India seems the extent of globalisation. There is no great technological leap forward. Indeed globalisation entrenches the most medieval of business practices but out of our sight, while ensuring that the burden of unemployment is borne by the residual nation state while the global organisation sees only increased profit untaxed and untaxable.

    In my previous business we made much use of technology to improve efficiencies but as a global business there was no loyalty to UK employees and profits and losses would be shipped around the world where liabilities we’re least. And assembly work was exported to the Far East so that the global company made more money and the nation states where employees had worked loyally we’re left to pick up the benefit bill.

    Globalisation is a philosophy, not a technology, and it is anti-national and anti-democratic and the therefore should be resisted by conservatives and patriots. It is not the same as international trade at all nor does it have the same agenda.

  95. Baron, you are also incorrect in thinking that the acquisition of goods has always been the driver of human behaviour. On the contrary, it is only in recent times, as the West has allowed the Christian foundation of society to be subverted, that a crass materialism has filled the hole once filled by spirituality, education, high art, engagement with society and the love of beauty.

    For myself, I am poor, I have nothing and desire little more than that bills may be paid for my family’s security. The acquisition of goods is of little value when I may well have reposed in the next 20 years. I know many others who think the same.

    To have done some good, to have filled my mind with knowledge and my heart with the love of beauty, even apart from my Christian Faith, it seems to me that this is what moved all intelligent and thoughtful people in Britain, and still does.

  96. John, the blue veined barbarian has nealry forgotten you, so here goes.

    Who says that globalisation equals or must equal a global identity, ha? Have not the Japanese benefitted handsomely from the ideas of globalisation without losing even a fraction of their national identity? How come then?

    When the seven Anglo-Saxon kingdoms merged people may have also complained about the loss of their ‘local’ identity, localised culture and stuff, but was it the merger that was to blame. Nope, if any kingdom’s culture was strong enough with deep enough roots what had they to fear?

    When the Normans arrived in the 12th century they had it all – the power, money and their own language. It took few centuries, but voila, the invaders finally succumbed to the ‘local’ Celtic cum Anglo-Saxon cum Viking culture including the tongue of the conquered. The unwashed had the last word, so much so that in the battle of Agincourt Henry V (wa it Henry V?) the language of the hoi polloi was the rallying cry to go and hit the French.

    You see, John, people who are talking about our, ie the original Celtic cum Roman culture to be crushed and swept aside must think very lowly about the strength of what it is they fear we are going to lose. Baron believes powerfully in what he calls ‘the healthy core of Englishness’, he believes that given half a chance the core will absorb, ingest, convert anything thrown into its midst, provided it isn’t swamped, and swamped it isn’t yet whatever the Daily Mail says. It will do so both because of its inner strength, the capacity for slow, painstaking engineering at the ground level, not the one imposed by the anointed tossers, but also because the culture of the core is what any sensible, common sense pleb wants – a tolerant society enabling him to have a peaceful life, raise a family, grow some carrots, have a pint here and there. Even the majority of our Muslim friends residing here want that. So far, the job hasn’t been made easy what with few statutes that aren’t helpful, and an elite that cares more about its own wellbeing than the wellbeing of the country. But give it time, the core will either get around it, or annihilate the elite.

    you reckon Baron’s wrong?

    and if you can stomach it, Baron will tell you a thing or two about the evil bankers, too.

  97. Baron, that is a load of cobblers I am afraid. The Kingdoms of Old England were united by a common culture and Christianised society. They became what they already were, the Nation of England.

    The culture and tradition of England is a fragile plant that must be renewed in each generation. It can always be lost. In Holy Russia the Christian character of the nation was lost, destroyed rather, by the deliberate and anti-Christian activities of the Soviet regime. Russia is hardly Christian again. There is much that has been lost, perhaps for ever.

    We are seeing the same deliberate anti-Christian, and anti-democratic and anti-British activities perpetrated today. And they have been being perpetrated all of the last century and earlier. Englishness cannot survive such an onslaught and will be lost for ever if those of us who remain do not awake before it is too late. The Catholic nature of England was entirely lost in a short period to our eternal detriment in the 16th and 17th centuries. A tradition of almost a thousand years of monastic education and charitable social care was swept away and replaced by the Workhouse. A thousand year history of rejecting usury was replaced by the greed of the modern banking system.

    What we have is very easily lost and almost has been. I don’t think we will be persuaded by the idea that an England in which white English people are a minority will still be the same as it was.

  98. Peter, just this, and then we have to agree to disagree.

    Private property held by free individuals together with the law of contract is what underpins stable societies such as ours. The acquisition of goods makes up one’s property. One’s possessions are the property. The fact that many acquire transient possessions like trainers, T-shirts and stuff in no way devalues the proposition advanced by the poorly educated Slav, the desire of individuals to acquire property has always been the prime motivation driving economic progress. Consumerism as we know it may indeed be going over the top, a rein back may be desirable, but the idea of possessions, the accumulation of, private property stands.

    And if you think Baron’s rich you must think again, my blogging friend.

  99. Baron, I don’t know if you are rich or not. But I do know that the acquisition of that which no-one needs, and the creation of a society in which the promotion of the idea that you are what you own, is not British in any traditional sense, is certainly not-Christian, and is deeply inhuman.

    Nor should we consider at present that we own anything. It is all subject to summary confiscation by the state.

    Let this be understood in a British sense, rather than a narrowly Christian one…

    Seek first the Kingdom of God, and all these things will be added unto you.

    This was the sort of nation we once were. Over the last 100 years or so something poisonous has taken root. Consumerism is not British, it is not Christian. It will be the death of us all.

  100. Peter, have you been to Russia recently? You would be amazed, Christianity is more alive there than here, the Bolsheviks tried, and failed. Globalisation, the way you perceive it, may have a go here, but it will fail.

    And this.

    England’s white, Peter, will stay white. Trend is your friend until it breaks. The influx of immigrants will come to an end, those already here will not destroy the indigenous culture, it may touch it here or there, but the DNA of Englishness will remain.

  102. Baron, I know that there is a lot of activity in Russia, but I also know that only 3% of the population attend Liturgy, and that there are problems with the catechesis of even priests because the structures and communities have been destroyed and must be rebuilt. I don’t get the sense that the Church today is the same as it was. And of course many of the bishops still in place were agents of the KGB. That seems problematic to me.

  103. Baron
    August 1st, 2013 – 18:51

    What a sage post.
    Life is good.
    We have seen a revival in our fortunes and wellbeing.
    The Jubilee, the Olympics, Andy Murray, The Prince of Cambridge and 0.6% growth in the last quarter.
    And to cap all this the promise of a referendum on Europe.
    More, the tide is turning on Islam.
    There is an evangelical revival sweeping the UK.
    And if all that were not good enough Boris has promised to give Cameron a clean run in 2015
    Life is good.

  104. Baron, white British people are already a minority in our capital city and other cities. We are being replaced by those born to those who have already come to live here and do not share our culture or our history. My parents were born and brought up in South-East London. I was born there and lived in Peckham. In fact our family had first lived in the terrace house where I spent my first year, in the 1890’s. All around the area my ancestors had been born, and lived and died, back to about 1840 when the first of them came in from Cambridgeshire to work as a joiner on all the new house building.

    We go back there often for various reasons. But it is no longer England. It might truly be part of a Nigerian city. Indeed the largest population of Nigerians outside of Nigeria now live in South-East London. It is called Little Lagos just for that reason. It is difficult to conclude that given time it will become what it was. It is difficult to believe that with time the Nigerian origin population will not increase much more rapidly than the white British population and will not spread out into the neighbouring boroughs.

    Indeed what is actually happening is that white British people are leaving London as fast as they can because they cannot afford to live in those areas that are still a majority white population, and wish to leave those areas that are already a majority non-white British population. Nor has this anything to do with skin colour, it is everything to do with culture. Who could have imagined 50 years ago that 10,000 young girls would be at risk of genital mutilation in London and our other major cities. That areas would become majority Muslim. That Church schools would be left with no Christian children. That fried chicken feet would become the main fast food staple in many places, and that every restaurant would show a sign saying HALAL.

    Time will not resolve this situation. Time = increased immigrant population = increased white flight = loss of British culture forever.

  105. Faith.
    I have faith.
    I believe in my fellow man.
    I was born and raised in a Northern Town where we have had Muslims and mosques and a wide colour mix since I used to collect gollywogs from Robinsons Marmalade.
    I visit frequently and meet the sons of the mosque at my old church’s summer fayre.
    I love England, as was, as is and as will be.
    I have faith.

  107. Frank to the rescue!

    I see trees of green,
    red roses too.
    I see them bloom,
    for me and you.
    And I think to myself,
    what a wonderful world.

    I see skies of blue,
    And clouds of white.
    The bright blessed day,
    The dark sacred night.
    And I think to myself,
    What a wonderful world.

    The colors of the rainbow,
    So pretty in the sky.
    Are also on the faces,
    Of people going by,
    I see friends shaking hands.
    Saying, “How do you do?”
    They’re really saying,
    “I love you”.

    I hear babies cry,
    I watch them grow,
    They’ll learn much more,
    Than I’ll ever know.
    And I think to myself,
    What a wonderful world.

    Yes, I think to myself,
    What a wonderful world.

    Oh yeah.

  108. The Torygraph truly is pathetic.

    Today there’s an article about spitting being disgusting in the wake of Enfield Council trying to fine people for it.

    And the paper will not stop banging on about how more land must be set aside for homes. Why? They’re not going to get cheaper. The Tory donor developer will just fleece whoever’s stupid enough to buy them.

    But what is really wicked about both those stories is that they are neither to do with spitting or homes.

    They’re to do with immigration.

    Spitting is disgusting, but labourers, gardeners, people jogging, in fact anyone physically exerting themselves may need to clear their airways. It happens.

    The spitting fines are related to tuberculosis.

    And where has that once rare condition come from in such abundance? Immigrants.

    Immigrants, immigrants, immigrants.

    Everyone is to be punished for what immigrants do.

    And the housing crisis is not a housing crisis.

    It’s an immigration crisis.

  109. This is where the elevation of Stephen and Doreen Lawrence into political footballs leads.

    Wikipedia, because it is put together for free and so ‘altruistically’ – its founders would have people believe – is one of the rare places on the net that many people assume has no bias.

    And it is used by millions every day.

    We know from the Johann Hari scandal just how powerful a tool the intellectual class view it.

    Hari’s profile was doctored by himself, over and over again. Hari had also been responsible for doctoring the profiles of Melanie Phillips and Richard Littlejohn, among others.

    It is viewed as a very powerful website.

    Public relations firms are now accused of doctoring the profiles of multi-nationals.

    One of the most disgusting things said yesterday by Doreen Lawrence’s supporters was that the parents of anti-white racist murder victims could not expect to be elevated to the House of Lords because they had not spent 20 years fighting for justice.

    Doreen Lawrence’s campaign was going nowhere until her husband’s effective employer, Paul Dacre, Daily Mail editor, heard about what had happened because Neville Lawrence was working on his mansion.

    That is how there was a campaign in the first place.

    A national newspaper, possibly the most powerful in the UK, took it up.

    So where are the media campaigns for the white victims?

    There aren’t any.

    If those parents tried to do what Doreen Lawrence did and get on the front page of a newpaper and have an ongoing campaign, they would have the door slammed in their faces.

    This is how eager the anti-white brigade are to suppress the story of the legion of anti-white murders – many unsolved – in the UK.

    They’re deleting Wikipedia entries of the dead victims.

    And I know no newspaper will ever back any of these victims with a campaign to expose the wicked anti-white institutional racism in the police, because underneath this story, guess what?

    Comments are closed.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100229154/the-murder-of-stephen-lawrence-and-the-strange-case-of-the-missing-wikipedia-entries/

  111. Mrs Tiggywinkle, I consider the Huffington Post entirely discredited by employing Mehdi Hasan, and wonder very much why they would choose to do so, as politics editor, in a UK version of their site. Are their no British people who could do the job?

  112. Frank P
    August 1st, 2013 – 19:23

    Frank, you have made my day. And yes, I dare speak for many others, I think you have made a lot of people very happy. Be well, be strong, be FRANK!!!!!

  115. Peter fM @ 18.52.

    The origins of Baron aka the poorly educated Slav aka the blue veined barbarian are indeed in the country of which Neville said ‘we (the English) know little about’. But was the man Harold Nicholson described as ‘having the charm of a cloth brush’ trying to find an excuse for his poor judgement?

    The worst damage the Red Menace inflicted was not economic, political or even cultural, but that which touched the soul of the peoples that had to endure the totalitarianism of the Marxism doped thugs. Things like telling lies, bribing, being untrustworthy, thieving were the norm under the people’s regime. Communism ended, the remains of such traits remain in abundance, or as the saying has it ‘it was easy to take the Czechs out of communism, it’s harder to take communism out of the Czechs. In other nations that suffered it isn’t much different. It will very likely take few generations before things are back to acceptable level.

  116. Baron, can I ask, what do you think of the fact that no-one was ever prosecuted for the decades of torture and horror, and those who one day were running a camp in the gulag next day became local mayor? Doesn’t that do something to the psychology of a nation? Isn’t it like a widow marrying the murderer of her husband and the abuser of her children?

    Can I ask, are you Orthodox at all?

  117. Mrs Tiggywinkle @ 20.06

    The BBC stands as the bastion of every shibboleth of the Left leaning tossers – political correctness, the multy culty pap, unchecked immigration and things like that. And they have the money, well over £5bn each year, to destroy anyone who may try to even dent their power, and that includes the politicians who fear the wrath of the evil corporation more than anything else.

    The monolith is the thing to go for, if we were to succeed in scrapping the fee the fight against the pseudo-liberal, Alinski’s inspired shibboleths of the deluded Left would be that much easier.

  118. Hi Barron (My Dear Lord).

    Some thoughts on your above post.

    Thought one; we really should define our terms (global/nation) but we haven’t and so some misunderstanding is unfortunately inevitable.

    Now,

    ‘John, the blue veined barbarian has nealry forgotten you, so here goes.

    Who says that globalisation equals or must equal a global identity, ha?’

    Certainly not me. I was trying to make the point that a ‘national identity’ can be real and can be healthy. On the other hand no ‘global identity’ could never exist.

    ‘Have not the Japanese benefitted handsomely from the ideas of globalisation without losing even a fraction of their national identity?’

    You’re on s sticky wicket with the Japs.
    Now officially selling more nappies to adults that to infants ie demographic death. Their country is effectively bankrupt. So desperate that ‘war’ with China was being considered a couple of months ago.
    Now their PM Abe wants to inflate their debts away.Clever. That’ll trick those pesky creditors.

    Japan in the world? A successful part of the thriving global economy?
    The jury is out.
    They seem as skint and clueless as all the other ‘post developed democracies’.
    One could even suggest that their invasion of China etc was an attempt at globalisation the old fashioned way.
    Then they tried the international banker’s version of debt based expansion. Both failed.

    ‘When the seven Anglo-Saxon kingdoms merged people may have also complained about the loss of their ‘local’ identity, localised culture and stuff, but was it the merger that was to blame. Nope,…….’

    I used to take this view. The view that as human society developed in the past; there were unfortunate and painful adjustments that fixed communities & peoples had to face.
    It seemed natural that we would experience similar contemporary issues and ‘globalisation’ was just another such painful but necessary development.
    I now have a totally different view and i admit that, in my case, I was guilty of intellectualising the whole deal instead of keeping it simple by asking?
    Who has decided to globalise?
    Why have they done it?
    What will the negative consequences be?

    If I’d though more about these simple issues it would have been clearer.
    Sometimes ‘progress’ is the Government arriving to ‘socialise’ the farm you own.

    ‘….if any kingdom’s culture was strong enough with deep enough roots what had they to fear?’

    I totally agree with the sentiment and the logic.
    I have always thought that the Real Threat To Islam in the UK would be the freedom of those (especially women) people outside Islam. Real spiritual freedom (not sexual slavery disguised as freedom or liberty).The famous ‘self control’ of the English as recounted by Eric Blair would do the rest.
    England has been transformed though.
    No-one I know thinks that a PC multicultural country is worth saving. No-one IS saving it.
    Gay rights marches. Abortion rights for 12 year old school girls.Welfare. Daytime television. Lap dancing. William Hague. Peter Tachell. Equality. Green Initiatives. Expenses.
    Whatever it is about the modern world; so many in the west are so turned off by it that they have decided not to procreate. The west is afraid of the future and does not want to bring children into the world. For once the west is right.

    However, globalisation is not ‘a’ or even ‘the’ reason for the collapse in western cultural confidence (without which no other ‘confidence’ matters).
    Instead, that our leaders could unleash globalisation on their country is a symptom of our collapse.

    ‘When the Normans arrived in the 12th century they had it all – the power, money and their own language. It took few centuries, but voila, the invaders finally succumbed to the ‘local’ Celtic cum Anglo-Saxon cum Viking culture including the tongue of the conquered. The unwashed had the last word, so much so that in the battle of Agincourt Henry V (wa it Henry V?) the language of the hoi polloi was the rallying cry to go and hit the French.’

    I do not agree(William was an ‘outsider’ back home in Normandy for a start, with his commoner wife. He was a chancer who represented himself and his mates brave enough to invade with him. Not ‘Norman Culture’ as such. As you will recall the Hill Forts were established after the Saxon uprising. Before that….you wouldn’t even know you’d bin invaded) but that’s interesting.

    It reminds me of the same question a German of 1945 might ask a British General if they could see our world today; so who won? What did you win?

    ‘You see, John, people who are talking about our, ie the original Celtic cum Roman culture to be crushed and swept aside must think very lowly about the strength of what it is they fear we are going to lose…….’

    I get your point but details are important.
    Homosexuality has not been promoted by a ‘evolution’ of social opinion. Instead lots of money, threats, bribes, lies and now insane laws are being used to obliterate the previous Christian culture (in very simple terms).
    I feel people would be less threatened if they believed they were still free. That they could chose the culture in which they lived.
    Instead they are being told,’Adopt this culture and abandon your own or go to jail….eventually.’
    That’s not a victory for a new vibrant* culture over the old; it’s colonisation without the charm.

    ‘Baron believes powerfully in what he calls ‘the healthy core of Englishness’, he believes that given half a chance the core will absorb, ingest, convert anything thrown into its midst, provided it isn’t swamped, and swamped it isn’t yet whatever the Daily Mail says…….’

    Zero English children in my last class of 30.

    ‘It will do so both because of its inner strength, the capacity for slow, painstaking engineering at the ground level, not the one imposed by the anointed tossers,……….’

    No.
    I love all this DH Lawrence Soul of England stuff. I love it. It’s just wrong.

    ‘but also because the culture of the core is what any sensible, common sense pleb wants – a tolerant society enabling him to have a peaceful life, raise a family, grow some carrots, have a pint here and there.’

    See, this is the problem.
    No, they do not. Not anymore.
    They don’t have the brains to crave ‘a bit of peace and quiet’.

    Working class?
    Don’t exist. Welfare did for them.
    Middle class?
    Ask an intelligent, educated woman with a child if the state should take other people’s money off of them and give it to her so that she can avoid the onerous task of actually looking after her own child?
    Just ask her.
    The ask her if the huge cost (£) can be justified by the unhappy children and the totally crap service that her temporary replacement at work provides as s/he is temporary and untrained.
    Ask her my Dear Lord, just to see the look of rage and hatred on her face.

    Greed and stupidity have been nurtured by the Welfare State.
    Ours was the first modern Welfare State. Ours is the worst modern condition.

    ‘Even the majority of our Muslim friends residing here want that. So far, the job hasn’t been made easy what with few statutes that aren’t helpful, and an elite that cares more about its own wellbeing than the wellbeing of the country….’

    That’s kinda my point.
    Nations bound their elites to them.
    Globalisation compels elites to become migratory.
    Japan was the future once. It’s coming failure will have zero impact on it’s elites; and this despite their infamous patriotism.

    ‘But give it time, the core will either get around it, or annihilate the elite.’

    I wish.
    How about this. ‘We’ have already been annihilated by these elites we just try to avoid facing up to the fact. There is no core My Dear Lord.
    Nations with 50% plus fatherless families have no ‘core’.

    Lawrence would have understood that.

    Regards.

  119. Mrs Tiggywinkle at 20-01 : The strange case of the 31 missing comments.When I went to the DT earlier I could not access the comments re.Lawrence that had already been made.___________I think there is much more to it then Paul Dacre.Right from the begining it was taken up by The Comrades;some very nasty people.Within days there were protest posters stuck on the pillar-box at the corner of my street ,123 miles from the killing.How is this to be explained?[I was a bit sensitive to this having been beaten up on by The Comrades locally]One of The Young Comrades obsessed with Lawrence(Jack Straw) eventually became Home Secretary;which is what really set off the Steven Lawrence industry.

  120. Peter fM @ 20.49

    Some prosecutions there were, but not enough, and not of the major culprits. A big mistake that as many top positions are now occupied by people who were quite high in the old communist hierarchy. The thing is though nearly everyone in any post of control and influence was implicated, unless one enjoyed to work with the shovel one had to have the party card, the number of people who refused and were untouched by the evil can be counted on the fingers of one hand. Towards the end, however, virtually no one believed in the creed, it was only the fear of the big brother in the East that kept the system going.

    Not unlike the Nazis, the bolsheviks, too, enacted laws enabling them to carry out the evil deeds. To go for the real villains required a political courage which, sadly, was lacking amongst the ones who took over. Most of them were a part of the old regime, most likely feared they can get hit when the blame sharing gets going.

  121. Baron, to what extent is the old regime still in control? I mean someone like Putin doesn’t seem a lot different to any other Soviet president? And it seems as dangerous to be either a real journalist or a rival oligarch as ever.

  122. John Richardson @ 21.01

    Right, Baron gets the message, sir, so what’s the country you would suggest the poorly educated Slav should flee to to spend his few remaining years in peace, with no fear of being swamped by aliens, medieval or any other sort? Just one will do.

  126. Peter, Baron doesn’t see Putin as any other Russian despot, he sees him more as a typical ruler everywhere today. The man and his crew are as much decoupled from the masses as are rulers everywhere notwithstanding the ‘free’ elections, ‘free’ press, ‘free’ this or the other. It seems as if those in charge everywhere believe they know best, they’ve failed to wise up to the impact of the Internet on the unwashed. So far, the masses have endured the decoupling, but will they for much longer?

    Russia remains essentially a country of muzhiks, it has always been her strength, it may never change much. The fact that the elite numbers have widened, wealth has spread more, few freedoms, limited by the whims of the top, exist, the opposition struggles, but survives may not seem much to us, it’s a bloody good step forward for the Russian unwashed. As an interim phase Putin’s probably the best they can hope for.

    and Peter, Baron’s a Roman Catholic.

  127. Radford, I do like the idea of Free Schools, and don’t think it is a problem that pleasant neighbourhoods should wish to gain control of their own schools. I am aware in the Shadwell area of the East End that a Free School has been started, I’d say that was a rough area. And I guess I’d ask how it can be made easier for charitably minded groups and individuals to work to set up a Free School in an area that might benefit from one. I’d guess that it is actually a very difficult process and liable to pile a load of problems on those trying to set one up. The local failing community is unlikely to want to set up a Free School, it must therefore take a lot of commitment for an external group to try to help such a community. And disinterested charitable activity has been deliberately undermined in the UK. I can only imagine all the diversity hoops a group of committed white people would have to jump through to establish a Free School in an ethnically colourful neighbourhood. Quite probably the management would have to be submitted to local and incompetent control to satisfy diversity.

  129. John, what? Monaco?

    The blue veined barbarian ain’t rich enough to move there. More to the point, the principality won’t have him, he’s too feeble, too old, and too risky, he talks too much.

    No worries Peter, Baron reckons that if any country could pull through, this one it is. You bloody did it when Europe and the whole world went mad last century, you have found a man with the vision, the intellect, the courage and the capacity to convince the doubters he was right. When the time comes, this country will again procure the services of a man (or a woman) who will pull us through. Baron banks on it (mind you, the barbarian is known to have been wrong here and there).

  133. Good Morning

    The Daily Mail is hot off the mark today.

    Family who got dinner lady fired after she accidentally served their child gammon are emigrating to Muslim country

    Zahid and Rumana Darr asked for Alison Waldock to be dismissed
    Miss Waldock accidentally served pork, forbidden by Islam, to their daughter
    The Darrs are now moving to the conservative UAE

    The parents involved in the sacking of a school dinner lady who mistakenly served gammon to their daughter are to emigrate to a Muslim country.

    Alison Waldock, 51, was accused of gross misconduct and says she lost her job after Zahid and Rumana Darr asked that she be dismissed.

    Today it can be revealed that Mr and Mrs Darr and their three children are emigrating to the United Arab Emirates later this month. The family have chosen to move from their home in Cambridge to Sharjah, where alcohol is banned and there are the strictest decency laws in the emirates.

    Mrs Darr, 33, wrote on her Facebook page: ‘So we’re leaving the country end of August for good … We’re moving to Sharjah. We want to go relax in a nice hot Muslim country where the kids know their identities as Muslims.’

    The move comes after Mr Darr’s recruitment firm was closed down in June when he was found to be working as a company director illegally.

    Following an investigation by the Insolvency Service, he was banned from holding company directorships after he was caught pocketing over £500,000 owed in tax in 2008.

    His firm Interecruit (UK) went into liquidation after Mr Darr, 36, ‘diverted’ money owed to the taxman in VAT, income tax and national insurance to another of his companies.

    The nine-year ban was imposed in February 2011 but in May this year he was found to be operating a similar company named Interecruit (GB), which supplied agricultural workers.

    As well as working as a director when disqualified, Mr Darr was not paying staff the minimum wage and failing to provide holiday pay. He had his gangmaster’s licence revoked by the licensing authority.

    Yesterday Miss Waldock said she does not want to return to the canteen at Queen Edith Primary School in Cambridge, where she had worked for 11 years, even if she is reinstated by Lunchtime UK, which runs the service.

  134. I am glad to see that the Muslim persecutors of this dinner lady have been exposed as criminals. But why do we hear nothing about the Christian children fed Halal meat, blessed in the name of the Muslim god, without any permission at all.

  137. ps. Who ever authorised the teaching of “politics” in schools anyway? Or is that a silly question?

  138. Ostrich (occasionally)
    August 2nd, 2013 – 09:56

    Hello O.o. your link revealed:-

    “At school, I was half-jokingly called a fascist by my politics teacher after expressing my enthusiasm for welfare reform.”

    Your question at 13:40; “ps. Who ever authorised the teaching of “politics” in schools anyway? Or is that a silly question?” is for me at any rate quite revealing, I had thought, up until now that political teaching in schools was not allowed by law.

    Even then I fully realised that the drip-feed of socialist poison from the likes of the mad and very bad NUT members and their ilk in the other teachers unions is inevitable.

    But from my own experience; I thought that I was a communist when I was aged fifteen but grew out of this foolishness by my eighteenth year.

    If the teaching of politics is allowed who sanctioned it?

  139. I’m not sure I have a problem with politics being taught in school. It seems of great importance if it is not taught as party politics, which is the corruption of politics for narrow sectarian ends.

    We need an electorate that is politically literate. Unfortunately we cannot expect political parties or socialist media organisations to provide that education.

    I would love to be able to facilitate a 24 unit online course on politics with leading national speakers.

  140. Peter writes:- “I’m not sure I have a problem with politics being taught in school.”

    Well I have, the way that I see it; is that teachers as a class/group, are in all probability somewhere around 80/90% labour/lib/dem and the remaining 10/20% will be too scared of voicing their right-wing credentials whilst they are in the work place.

    In my opinion the class room is not the place for the teaching of political dogma.

  141. David, I am not sure that mentioned the teaching of political dogma. To understand politics and its importance is not party political, as I did say. It is a matter of studying how our society is constituted, how it works and how it falls sick.

  142. With Westminster in Cornwall, Farage is on a roll-see Speccie:-

    “Spot checks and being demanded to show your papers by officialdom are not the British way of doing things. Yes of course we want to deal with illegal immigration but what’s the point of rounding people up at railway stations if at the same time they are still flooding in at Dover and the other nearly 100 ports in this country.

    I’m astonished that the Home Office has become so politicised…before long they will be live video-streaming of these arrests. I don’t like it. It really is not the way we’ve ever behaved or operated as a country. We don’t have ID cards. We should not be stopped by officialdom and have to prove who we are.’

  144. Schools teaching politics, schools giving sex education, schools instructing on diversity and political correctness. What a headline it would make, “SCHOOLS TEACHING THE 3 Rs”

  145. These spot checks are pure Lynton Crosby.

    They are theatre.

    Nothing has actually changed, this is just a pantomime to go into the press.

    They knew exactly what they wanted:

    Stop people. There’ll be an outcry. The voters will be duped into their old tribalism: they want people out so they’ll think ‘ah, ha, the Tories are my friends again’.

    The old mental equation Crosby wants people to make is: not being Labour equals Tory.

    You’re too late, Lynton.

    There’s only so much spin you can put on this.

    This is an issue that the Tories settled when they defenestrated Enoch Powell.

    Ever since then, it’s been spin, spin, spin.

    Tomorrow you’ll sort it out.

    Well, tomorrow is here today now. And you’ve been signed up to anti-white genocide for the past 50 years.

    If you demolish a traditional people – a demos – then you will demolish all their established political parties.

    That’s the equation you forgot, Lynton.

    And all the front pages Paul Dacre writes for you
    And all the king’s horses and and spin doctor men
    Will not put Cesspit Britain back together again.

    You wiped out the people, now watch them wipe you out at the ballot box.

    It’s time to destroy the Conser-traitor Party once and for all.

  146. I agree with the need to teach the 3Rs. But let’s be reasonable. Politics and Governmental Studies is an A Level. By the time students are taking A Levels they should be able to do the 3 Rs. And Politics is not Party Politics. It is the study of how societies are organised. Why on earth should 17-18 year olds not be studying that? How it is taught and what is taught are questions to be posed and answered. But Politics (not Party Politics) is something that every member of a society should be concerned about.

  147. The girl in the Telegraph is right to point up the Left-wing bias in all tiers of education, but the she falls into the naive trap of thinking, ‘well, that must make me a Tory’.

    It’s interesting that many people think that Melanie Phillips and Peter Hitchens are Tory – they are not.

    Peter Hitchens was for a bit. Melanie Phillips never.

    Many people who desert the Left do look right because they want some sort of social cohesion (of the real kind – not one that involves state busybodies ‘diversifying’ things and so on), so they look to the Conservatives for social conservatism and find it offers Sweet Fanny Adams.

    It’s just a rich club, looking after rich people.

    Dave knows this of course and had the cheek to pose as being in a campaign against porn when in fact all he was doing was trying to get more surveillance on people through the back door.

  148. Even when he was posing as a social conservative, Dave was just spinning another agenda.

  150. Peter you wrote “if it is not taught as party politics,” my point; is that you can’t trust the likes of the N.U.T. not to teach it as party politics they will always seek to push their own opinions.

    A different but similar example are the films ‘Brave Heart’ and I think the other was called The Patriot both staring that dreadful anti-Semite Mel Gibson, neither film paid any attention to the facts and were ant-English propaganda.

  151. Mrs Tiggywinkle
    August 2nd, 2013 – 19:37

    “It’s just a rich club, looking after rich people.”

    Codswallop, balderdash, socialist piffle of the very worst kind.

  152. Rod Liddle has linked to this buffoon:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/rod-liddle/2013/08/george-the-poet-on-illegal-immigration-courtesy-of-the-guardian/

    It’s interesting, because the Guardian is the most heavily censored of all the major websites but when they talk about immigration, the most recommends go to comments against (they will have to be very mild to get past the censors).

    One trick that I note the poet uses and many Leftists use (Medhi Hasan loves this tactic) is ‘you don’t have any data, so you don’t know. Anecdote is not data.’

    There are lies, there are damned lies and there are statistics.

    You don’t bother getting people to count statistics that don’t help you.

    This is where the Common Purposers come in so handy – they’ll do the footsoldiery jobs of not counting the data, screwing up the bureacracy – so long as it achives the common purpose of ‘change’ (code word for race replacement?), then their job has been well done.

    You can see it going on all around you with your eyes and ears, but nobody in officialdom is monitoring it consistent with what you see.

    How very Stalinist.

  153. Sorry, David, if you’re not safely ensconced behind electric gates, as far as the Conservative Party is concerned you can be the next Lee Rigby.

    So long as it doesn’t affect them, they don’t care.

  154. There is limited time in a school curriculum for subjects with a political content. I would devote any available to the study of history. History properly taught, politics will teach itself. I heard an interesting comment the other day. The entire Bible is about opposition to corrupt government.

    A propos, Peter from Maidstone @ 19:04, how can our government encourage and promote the spread of an ideology in our country which exhorts the murder of Jews and Christians and other barbarities? Because it is corrupt.

    At least Patriccia Shaw, after a period of contemplation on her sabbatical, or possibly under the direction of a new control, appears to have abandoned her anti-semitic support of islamic terrorist movements. Politics, and history, are dynamic subjects.

  155. Re the discussion above about politics in schools

    well what about the teaching of economics? I am sure the bias will be in that as well

    I was taught in 1972 doing economics A level that the only real was forward was keynes. If in doubt borrow to inflate the economy.

  158. Peter from Maidstone
    August 2nd, 2013 – 19:34
    Peter, too many children are leaving school as semi-literates, or even worse, unable to read and write as adults. The unfortunate fact is that we cannot trust the schools to produce well-rounded young people, equipped to be leaders in an ethical and moral society. Also, would we really trust many of the State teachers to give a balanced political curriculum? More time should be spent on studying the Bible. The Old and New Testaments, with State schools concentrating on the Christian heritage of this country. Bible study not only has a spiritual, religious value, but has some of the finest literature in the English language.

  159. Tories and Labour are both happy with creating a pliant, disposable section of society.

    The brains of the children of this disposable class are filled with multi-culti, global warming, black history month rubbish.

    The children of the Tories and Labour go to private school or selective state schools. Special after-school tutors if necessary.

    By the way, Peter Hitchens has been asking Ed ‘comprehensive school’ Miliband ever benefited from private tutoring.

    Miliband has never answered, despite being asked repeatedly.

    Tories and Labour are like Orwell’s pigs.

    Good schools for their children, cesspits for everyone else’s.

    Labour pretends that Hampstead state schools and the infamous Camden School For Gilrs are like other comprehensives.

    Don’t know the times table?

    Who cares, so long as you respec’ Mohamed, believe in global warming and know who Mary Seacole is.

    LibLabCon all cheerfully throwing children under the non-education bus.

  160. Anne, I am fortunate that my son attends a Catholic school that exceeds my wildest dreams of what a Christian school could be. The religious and spiritual component of his education is significant.

    But if any subject is to be studied it can and is certainly liable to being perverted by socialists. Science becomes an apology for ecologism, economics becomes an apology for various socialist programmes, history is distorted to show what a horrible, mongrel race we are, even English becomes a means of dismissing the greatest of British authors and substituting very poor and non-British exemplars merely because of their race.

    We can certainly say that state education is liable to propagandise our youth, but that is not a reason for saying that politics should not be studied (and I agree with Malfleur that it is especially an aspect of history). That is a reason for saying that education needs to be wrested from the hands of socialists. This is why I am broadly in favour of Free Schools. I’d love to be able to help establish a Free School which respected our British culture, traditions, Christian foundations and society. In such a place the proper understanding of politics, what is is for, how it is subverted, and how it forms and deforms society, would be taught as one aspect of educating in an intelligent, cultured, and patriotic manner.

  161. Peter from Maidstone
    August 2nd, 2013 – 21:17
    Pete, you have said what I would like to have said. I, too, am all for the Free Schools, although we must be constantly on guard that the marxists don’t wrest control of them by devious means. You are indeed blessed in that your son attends such a fine school.

  162. If I was going to start a Free School I think it would probably have to have a strong Christian basis, as I cannot conceive of the British culture independently of its Christian roots. But apart from that, I wonder what such a school might look like, if we took as our aim to produce well-rounded, and well-educated young people, who valued culture and beauty, intelligence and opportunity?

    I’d like to think, for one thing, that the memorisation of poetry would be one aspect of such a school.

    What else do people think?

  164. Friday night is Frank P’s naughty niece Tribute Night.

    Best Responses

    Number 1:

    A policeman was being cross-examined by a defense attorney during a felony trial. The lawyer was trying to undermine the police officer’s credibility:-

    Q: ‘Officer — did you see my client fleeing the scene?’

    A: ‘No sir. But I subsequently observed a person matching the description of the offender, running several blocks away.’

    Q: ‘Officer, who provided this description?’

    A: ‘The officer who responded to the scene.’

    Q: ‘A fellow officer provided the description of this so-called offender. Do you trust your fellow officers?’

    A: ‘Yes, sir. With my life.’

    Q: ‘With your life? Let me ask you this then officer. Do you have a room where you change your clothes in preparation for your daily duties?’

    A: ‘Yes sir, we do’

    Q: ‘And do you have a locker in the room?’

    A: ‘Yes, sir, I do.’

    Q: ‘And do you have a lock on your locker?’

    A: ‘Yes, sir.’

    Q: ‘Now, why is it, officer, if you trust your fellow officers with your life, you find it necessary to lock your locker in a room you share with these same officers?’

    A: ‘Sir, we share the building with the court complex, and sometimes lawyers have been known to walk through the room.’

    The courtroom exploded, and a recess was called.

    Number 2:

    General Norman Schwarzkopf was once asked if he thought there was room for forgiveness toward the people who have harboured and abetted the terrorists who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks on America.

    The General answered, “I believe that forgiving them is God’s function. Our job is to arrange the meeting.”

    Number 3:

    Dana Perino (FOX News) describing an interview she recently had with a Navy SEAL. After discussing all the countries that he had been sent to, she asked if
    they had to learn several languages.

    “Oh, no ma’am, we don’t go there to talk.”

    Number 4:

    A conversation overheard on the VHF Guard (emergency) frequency 121.5 MHz while flying from Europe to Dubai.

    Iranian Air Defense Site: ‘Unknown aircraft you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself.’
    Aircraft: ‘This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.’
    Air Defence Site: ‘You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!’
    Aircraft: ‘This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 “Tomcat” Fighter. Send ’em up, I’ll wait’
    Air Defense Site: ( … total silence)

  165. Malfleur, I’ve been looking at that CCTV website and cannot believe how bad things are.

    Some pubs are now recording audio as well as video.

    It doesn’t get worse than that.

    I have heard it said that on all new TVs post a certain date, the digital ones which have shrunk the technology so much, all contain cameras that can be turned on at will by MI5 to watch people at home.

    I don’t know if that’s an urban myth, but I wouldn’t put it past them.

    Would they do it if they could?

    And people’s phones are used as tracking devices. All iphone pictures can be seen by Apple, timed, dated, located and handed over to whoever Apple wants to.

    The British have far, far too much respect for authority.

    It’s not healthy.

  166. Peter from Maidstone
    August 2nd, 2013 – 22:02
    ……………..
    I’d like to think, for one thing, that the memorisation of poetry would be one aspect of such a school.
    What else do people think?
    Yes, memorising poetry means that it remains in your mind forever. I can still recite the works I learned at five years old, and the richness of the words becomes ever more meaningful as we advance in years. The discipline required, as with ‘Times Tables’ is a valuable tool in training the brain.

  167. Patriccia Shaw
    August 2nd, 2013 – 18:13

    Of course, you’re right, carrying and producing papers is not the British way and people should not be hassled on the street.

    But the UK is not dealing with ‘people’, it’s having to address a flood of scum pouring in from around the planet determined to settle and exploit any aspect of the system that will give them a livelihood and they won’t stop until they have turned Britain into the Third World hell holes they’re fleeing from.

    Do you have a suggestion that might help, a method of dealing with these illegals that doesn’t offend and upset the liberals and socialists?

    Didn’t think so.

    I think Churchill commented that socialism was OK until it runs out of other peoples money. Well, to paraphrase, multi-culturalism and immigration is OK until the Country is swamped and the original culture destroyed.

    Because of what Blair and his nasty mates did, they have created a situation where the liberal, free Britain must be suspended or even destroyed in order to remove those with no right to be in the Country. That means either ID cards or some other form of verifiable identity paper so that the undeserving and unwanted can be removed. And that means that, if you have facial characteristics and language that is not white Caucasian then expect to be hassled. Don’t shout ‘racist’, blame Labour because they’ve created this intolerant, illiberal situation and unless the swarming parasites are removed, the Country will descend into chaos and anarchy.

  168. HERE, on our native soil, we breathe once more.
    The cock that crows, the smoke that curls, that sound
    Of bells; those boys who in yon meadow-ground
    In white-sleeved shirts are playing; and the roar
    Of the waves breaking on the chalky shore;
    All, all are English. Oft have I looked round
    With joy in Kent’s green vales; but never found
    Myself so satisfied in heart before.
    Europe is yet in bonds; but let that pass,
    Thought for another moment. Thou art free,
    My Country! and ’tis joy enough and pride
    For one hour’s perfect bliss, to tread the grass
    Of England once again, and hear and see,
    With such a dear Companion at my side.

  169. I agree with the point about the open borders, but the ID cards would be used as an excuse not to control the borders.

    ‘We’ve got ID cards now, so stop complaining.’

    The ID cards would be used to control and monitor indigenes even more.

    Once they are over that border, that’s it, the whole Yuman Rights machine kicks in.

    That cannot be tackled with the proxy of ID cards.

    It needs to be out of the EU, out of the Yuman Rights Act and then time for Ed Miliband to ask people why they don’t want to go back to where there multi-culti roots are strongest and where they are depriving other countries of such ‘talent’.

    By going back to Africa, Pakistan and India such people will lower the national debt, because there will be no more need for foreign aid, all the benefits they have allegedly brought will be given back gratis to all those places.

    Their cultural vibrancy will be so much better in its natural habitat.

    All those countries that have lost all those ‘talents’ will get them back and the UK’s benefit bill and foreign aid bill will plummet.

    Why would people want to deprive those countries of their true indigenes?

    Isn’t it interference to have taken them away from those countries in the first place by having such open borders?

    Or is it that Ed doesn’t believe they’re talented at all?

    And just wants to ‘rub people’s noses in it’, to coin and Andrew Neather-style phrase.

  170. Vitai Lampada

    There’s a breathless hush in the Close tonight -Ten to make and the match to win –
    A bumping pitch and a blinding light,
    An hour to play and the last man in.

    And it’s not for the sake of the ribboned coat,
    Or the selfish hope of a season’s fame,
    But his Captain’s hand on his shoulder smote –
    ‘Play up ! play up ! and play the game !

    ‘The sand of the Desert is sodden red -Red with the wreck of a square that broke; -The Gatling’s jammed and the Colonel’s dead,
    And the regiment’s blind with dust and smoke.
    The river of death has brimmed his banks,
    And England’s far, and Honour a name,
    But the voice of a schoolboy rallies the ranks:
    ‘Play up ! play up ! and play the game !’

    This is the world that year by year,
    While in her place the school is set,
    Every one of her sons must hear,
    And none that hears it dare forget.
    This they all with joyful mind,
    Bear through life like a torch in flame,
    And falling fling to the host behind -‘Play up ! play up ! and play the game !’

    Sir Henry Newbolt

  171. We are an island. We dont have boarders,we have shores.These should be guarded by the COAST GUARDS.It was John Major first cut the service;now Cameron is doing it again.It is claimed modern GPS etc makes them unnecessary;but they are not there just for emergencies.They are necessary to guard the coasts from smugglers in boats and aircraft coming in under the radar.

  174. Oh dear, Oh dear, Oh dear.

    10 men accused of exploiting girls

    A group of men accused of sexually exploiting teenage girls have been charged with a range of offences including rape, sexual assault and trafficking.

    West Midlands Police said 10 suspects aged between 19 and 30 were charged following an inquiry into the alleged abuse of girls at various locations across Coventry.

    The charges relate to the alleged exploitation of five teenagers between May and September last year.

    Brothers …… Road, Coventry, are charged with conspiracy to traffic girls across the city for the purposes of sexual exploitation. G.and I. are also both accused of a rape.

    A police spokesman said all three men appeared before magistrates in Coventry on Thursday and were remanded in custody to face Coventry Crown Court on November 7.

    Brothers …., both of no fixed address and cousins of the B brothers, also face trafficking counts and are due to reappear in court in November.

    Meanwhile, five other men are due to appear in court in Coventry on Friday in connection with the inquiry.

    (I have deleted more non Anglo Saxon names) .

    The police spokesman added: “The five alleged victims remain safeguarded and continue to be supported by specially-trained officers from the West Midlands Police’s Public Protection Unit along with partnership agencies including Coventry City Council Children’s Services.”

    All the above from Today’s Daily Express.

  175. David Ossitt
    August 2nd, 2013 – 23:48

    Brilliant David ,just brilliant .
    A voice and ideas from the past. ( another country )
    But what link to those concepts can wholesale immigration find.

  178. There is panic talk among the LibLabCons of stopping benefits for two years if you’re not UK resident, but that is just David Goodhart and chums at think tank Demos (what a cheeky name for a think tank when it’s what the think tank has helped to destroy) trying to give the Left some cover for all their past sins.

    It is part of this endless chorus in the press of ‘We’re sorting it out. No need to vote UKIP or Liberty GB. We, LibLabCon and thinks tanks are sorting it out.’

    It’s a pantomime.

    It is pure and utter panic that the policial establishment are going to lose control of the levers of power to UKIP or others.

    It is panic.

    They will not deny benefits to the Romanians for two years if there are kids.

    That’s why immigrants love to breed.

    The kiddies always go front and centre of any benefit sponging.

    Yuman rights wiv my kids, innit?

    And then there’s all the other ways round it.

    Council housing offices are notoriously staffed by immigrants and they give priority to their exteneded families.

    And then there’s always insider scams like this:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2383868/Bogus-ID-gang-let-250-Bangladeshi-immigrants-exploit-UK-benefits-gold-mine.html

    The borders need to be closed and the immigrants put under lock and key until people know which country they will be shipped back to.

    That’s how it works.

    All this talk of disincentivising people with lower benefits, stopping people, silly poster vans.

    It’s all spin, spin, spin.

    Do what Japan does: out, out, out.

    Then it will be a real policy.

  180. Those men’s faces were all covered and a screwdriver was produced before the escape.

    They planned utmost evil.

    And the mainstream media covers it up, after all the crocodile tears over Lee Rigby.

    This isn’t Birmingham, London, Luton, Leicester or Bradford.

    It’s Exeter.

    The south west is where people run in white flight to escape this evil.

    Balaclavas and a screwdriver.

  181. Noa@August 2nd, 2013 – 22:21
    Heard on marine VHF

    ‘This is USS aircraft carrier. ship due east of me, change course.’
    ‘This is object due east of you. no we wont’
    ‘This is USS aircraft carrier. we insist you change course’
    ‘this is object due east. I say we cant do that’
    ‘This is USS aircraft carrier, if you dont change course we will ram you’
    ‘This is Dddystone light. Please do’

    aircraft radio at Frankfurt airport some years ago
    ‘Frankfurt tower to BA1234. please go to stand 34’
    ‘BA1234 to frankfurt tower. roger’
    Aircraft stops and the tower looks through his binoculars and sees the pilot looking at his almanac to find where Stand 34 is.
    annoyed at the delay, tower radios:-
    ‘Frankfurt tower to BA1234. havent you been to Frankfurt before?’
    ‘BA1234 to tower. Yes, in 1944, but we didnt stop’

  185. Mrs Tiggywinkle (11.25) (et al).

    Caution on this one … let things unfold a little.

  187. P from M

    Peter my new computer does not appear to have kept your e-mail address, I will be obliged if you will send me an e-mail in order that I can retain your address for future use.

    D.O.

  191. Frank P.
    Hello, Frank,
    Must look down the well and see what’s shakin’!
    The Devil speaks in many tongues.

  192. Alexandr @ 15.30.

    Ethnicity already reported elsewhere. Black and ‘mixed race’. As per usual the BBC know this but their default position is to suppress it. The victim’s ‘profile’ has not ben mentioned anywhere (to my knowledge).

  194. I find Simon Heffer to be increasingly silly and confused and today’s column is just another hotchpotch of messy ideas. Like The Roman is an excellent book, but I think he’s lost it as a columnist.

    You can really see the establishment working his puppet strings and it’s just tedious reading him.

    As ever, though, the readers put him right.

    This lady:

    Sarah UKIP supporter , SW Scotland, 03/8/2013 15:33

    wrote this:

    “Ref: Simon Heffer’s comments stating that things will get worse when the border controls are relaxed in January.

    “Everyone is aware of this, and UK born and bred citizens don’t want this to happen.

    “Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it, except to ‘put up and shut up.’

    “Also ref the much-maligned bedroom tax, this is a devious act by the government to evict UK born and bred people from their homes so that after January next year when these incomers flood in they will be immediately given a home, plus other generous benefits whilst UK citizens starve on the streets.

    “The government claims that the ‘bedroom tax’ has been put in place to save money on welfare. Wrong.

    “Assume £2 billion is saved on the welfare bill, more than double that will be spent on housing, funding migrants.

    “Now tell me what positive things are gained from immigration into the UK.

    “As I can’t think of one – The polar opposite springs to mind.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-2383794/After-torture-death-young-boy-political-class-wake-dangers-uncontrolled-immigration.html

    That lady is right.

    The bedroom tax does not save a single penny.

    It just creates another foreign-born mouth to feed.

    When you give people space and money to breed, that is what they will do – with all the commensurate knock-on effects: benefits, schools, healthcare.

    Why are indigenes being kicked out of homes where they had established themselves in communities – LibLabCon’s favourite word – to make way for, uh, more baybees.

    Only this time, it’s even more foreign baybees.

    It’s like adding a new lane to a motorway.

    The motorway will still be jammed in 12 months time because you gave the signal everyone could carry on piling in there.

    But they will not countenance stripping welfare for immigrants only because that breaches EU rules, the Human Wrongs Act and so on.

    It’s good to see that Mail readers who are told every day of the ‘heroics’ of Ian Duncan Smith can see through it.

    Benefit cuts need to be targeted.

    If they have to knock each other up on the street in Park Lane to unlock the benefits banquet with a benefit book baby, they’ll do it.

    Welfare reform, my foot.

  195. Mrs Tiggywinkle
    August 3rd, 2013 – 11:21

    I am convinced there is still a D notice restricting reporting of these incidents.
    All in our interest , so as to not inflame the unwashed.

  196. Redneck @ 16:15

    Re. Bank for International Settlements – your link.

    “The Board has adopted a Code of Conduct for Members of the Board of Directors. ”

    So, relax.

  198. Re: Twelve year old girl raped
    Surely a terri and tragic event. BUT, what was a child of her age doing out alone in the streets at midnight?

  201. It wouldn’t surprise me John Birch.

    It seems as if the media is in almost permanent state of lockdown.

    The debate about Twitter abuse seems to have been used as a topic du jour to blot out the public’s real concerns.

    It’s as if Fleet Street’s editors have agreed to whip it into an ongoing story to distract the public.

    That and the opportunity to attack free speech.

    The press barons and their elite cabal are just fuming at how the internet has exposed how much time they spend lying, distorting and shaping the news agenda.

    Ask why one story takes prominence over another and you start to unfold the level of manipulation that mainstream news outlets have always got up to – and still do.

    I’ve been reading Enza Ferreri’s blog and it’s very good. She is doing an excellent job with Liberty GB.

    Liberty GB seem to have got things right with how to set their stall out.

    They have 10 things they want to do initially.

    That is realistic and not overpromising.

    Their first promise is by far the most important one, and it’s not to do with immigration:

    Introduce a US-style First Amendment which will guarantee free speech

    Nothing will change without that. That is how half the world has been defeated by the Fabians.

    Language and thought are suppressed, banned and criminalized.

    That is why the UN is being lobbied to ban criticism of Islam.

    http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/5918-our-ten-point-plan-to-save-britain

    The fount of free speech is what would have stopped all this and the first place ti visit to halt it.

    That is why hate crimes were invented.

    The word doesn’t even matter. It’s the interpretation of the word that counts. If the hearer doesn’t like it, you’re off to court.

    Any society that operates like that is dead.

    That’s where they’ve seized the control room.

    That is the place to start.

  202. Peter from Maidstone
    Several times your wife and I have shared the same thoughts. Perhaps because she is a nurse and I spent many years nursing.

  203. To wit:

    A university lecturer could be sent to prison for calling a city MP a “coward”.

    http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10572994.Brighton_man_faces_jail_for_calling_Hove_MP_Mike_Weatherley__coward_/

    The point is not whether he is acquiited – I hope he will be – but the fact that he is charged anyway.

    That is the Kafkaesque way the law works.

    The accused will keep asking himself how is using a word like ‘coward’ a crime?

    When you criminalise one word, people will keep adding to the list.

    In fact, stuff it.

    Any word can be ‘perceived’ as criminal now on ‘hate’ grounds.

    That’s how fear is spread to silence people.

    And then there’s the trial itself.

    The stress, the time off work, the expense.

    And for what?

    Some MP.

    How can people vote for MPs like that?

    And, of course, if a member of the public had made such a complaint to the police, they’d be told it wasn’t in the public interest to prosecute.

    But because it’s the local MP, the desk sergeant and CPS jumped.

    What’s worse is, it’s in front of the local bench.

    No jury.

    We all know what a jury would do.

    This is what happens when you erode the right to trial by jury.

    The bench is made up of local toadies.

    Hmmm. A local MP. And local toadies.

    Who do you think that favours?

    The poor defendant?

  205. When you get to BIS, the Bank of International Settlements, you really are in the controlling nucleus.

    Under the sub-heading:

    The House of Rockefeller

    ‘BIS is the most powerful bank in the world, a global central bank for the Eight Families who control the private central banks of almost all Western and developing nations…

    ‘BIS is owned by the Federal Reserve, Bank of England, Bank of Italy, Bank of Canada, Swiss National Bank, Nederlandsche Bank, Bundesbank and Bank of France.

    ‘Historian Carroll Quigley wrote in his epic book Tragedy and Hope that BIS was part of a plan, “to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole…to be controlled in a feudalistic fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert by secret agreements.”’

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-federal-reserve-cartel-the-eight-families/25080

  208. This is from an article a while back in the Telegraph:

    ‘In 1994, Alexander Lamfalussy, the former BIS manager, set up the European Monetary Institute, now known as the European Central Bank [alarm bells ringing?].

    ‘The BIS remains very profitable.

    ‘It has only about 140 customers (it refuses to say how many) but made a tax-free profit of about £900 million last year.

    ‘Every other month it hosts the Global Economy Meetings, where 60 of the most powerful central bankers, including Mark Carney, Governor of the Bank of England, meet.

    ‘No details of meetings are released, even though the attendees are public servants, charged with managing national economies [alarm bells deafening?].

    ‘The BIS also hosts the Basel Committee on Banking Supervision, which regulates commercial banks, and the new Financial Stability Board, which coordinates national regulatory authorities.

    ‘The BIS has made itself the central pillar of the global financial system.’

    Adam LeBor is the author of ‘Tower of Basel: The Shadowy History of the Secret Bank That Runs the World’, published by PublicAffairs

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/bank-of-england/10213988/Never-mind-the-Czech-gold-the-Nazis-stole….html

  210. So, the Foreign Secretary and the EU are singing yet again from the same hymn-sheet, this time about the question of the legitimacy of Mugabe’s recent electoral “victory”.
    Well, nobody here needs to be told anything about the relationship the EU has with the ballot box, but I don’t remember Wee Willie raising a single peep at any time in the last 15 years about the vile, blatant, malicious gerrymandering perpetrated without even a tiny hint in New Labour’s manifesto whereby 800,000 people were added to the public pay roll probably adding 1,500,000 votes to Labour, and, in the absence of any reliable government figures, let’s say 6,000,000 immigrants and their adult dependents also added to the Labour vote, plus the loss of say 4,000,000 Tory votes by self-reliant and necessarily self-sufficient emigrants, and the electoral base of the UK was changed by at least 30 or 35% from its former composition.
    But no, not a peep from Wee Willie.
    These figures are of the “back of a fag packet” calculation, but in my defence, that’s the way Whitehall does it too.

  211. Vote gerrymandering is so easy to do.

    The council tax payment is not linked to the electoral roll.

    They can be cross checked, but they do not have to tally and they are not linked.

    Registering to pay council tax does NOT equate to registering to vote.

    If someone is paying single person rate, the council might cross-check with the electoral roll to see if the numbers match, but even then it would be very hard for the council to make further enquiries due to civil liberties.

    If you were going to do it the way the immigrants do it, you write a letter to the council saying, ‘We’re Mr and Mrs Smith and we’re liable for council tax here.’

    When the electoral roll letter comes, you cross out all the names on it and you put: Mohamed Kahn, Fatima Kahn and then the names of umpteen cousins who all ‘live’ there.

    Tick the box for postal votes for all those people, and hey presto, you’ve gerrymandered umpteen votes.

    It is almost impossible to get caught, which is why people do it.

    Not only would it involve manpower and money the councils cannot spare but – as a council – if you were to dedicate a department to that, you may end up uncovering your own skeletons in the cupboard.

    If someone turns the spotlight on Mohamed and Fatima and Fatima turns out to have a cousin who’s a local councillor?

    Oh no, no.

    There’s a code of omerta in councils about gerrymandered votes.

    Let’s not acknowledge it exists at all.

    If they did, across the country the house of local government cards would come tumbling down, which is why so many people feel free to gerrymander votes with impunity.

    The postal vote is nothing more than abracadabra for votes.

    How many would you like?

  212. Mrs Tiggywinkle, if I had the funding to do so I would want to take a constituency and analyse the electoral roll looking for larger than average families and then try to determine if they existed. I have corresponded with Nigel Farage about this. But it needs funding to provide time to do it. I think it would be possible to do it in one consituency and open a can of worms and then maybe pass the research to the press and a TV production company.

  213. That is why non-immigrant communities are on a hiding to nothing in some constituentcies.

    They have no self-styled community leader to tell their voting bloc who to vote for.

    By the way, remember the Rotherham byelection when there was a surge for UKIP in the week up to voting.

    The bookies knew it was over once they heard the postal vote figures.

  214. PoM, if I recall correctly, some investigative journalists have tried, but it is so difficult.

    With no compuntion to answer questions knocking on the door is useless.

    The best that I think people can do is get the registers and then look at how many postal votes were added in such and such a year.

    Why does one address suddenly acquire umpteen postal votes?

    Knock on the door and all the ‘cousins’ who ‘live’ there will be back in Pakistan ‘on holiday’.

    The automatic postal vote was New Labour’s Rolls-Royce of a vote gerrymandering machine.

    It is almost unstoppable.

  215. The main thing for the councils is they want money, so they don’t like single occupants.

    Beyond that, if you’re vote gerrymandering, you’re probably keeping the councillors in power.

    Thanks. Let’s keep that quiet.

  216. Mrs T. I was not imagining knocking on the door and saying that a study of electoral fraud was being undertaken, rather that a study of housing density, or even that a free TV was on offer. I don’t think it is unstoppable, but it must be exposed loudly and certainly. It must all be exposed. But we need a millionaire patriot to fund things like this.

  217. Mrs T, (has rather a good ring to it!) thanks for more of your thoughts, and I remember being struck that neither politicians nor journalists remarked after the Westminster by-election in May for South Shields that the postal vote constituted 66% of votes cast.
    And one asks why the Tories already battling unfair boundaries never challenge this, or even mention that up to now it is only members of the Labour Party who have been caught red-handed in electoral fraud. Maybe, if you’re a member of White’s, or an Oxonian, such politicking would be seen as terribly non-U, and just not done Old Boy.

  218. Absolutely Peter!

    I see where you were coming from, but I’m sure it has been tried to actually get on the ground and verify if who is behind the door is who is on the list as well.

    In true Common Purpose style, the list leaves people only piece of the jigsaw, and it’s very hard to ramp up consciousness beyond that.

    Many, many blogs have picked up on it, but the MSM is more than happy to turn a blind eye.

    It’s part of the Brechtian lie.

    If it achieves th right government, then the lies are OK with them.

    You’re right, it would need a millionaire to set up an independent operation to really provide some meaningful analysis.

    But without getting behind the front door, it will be slammed as tainted.

    If you turn up to vote, of course, you’re crossed off a list and the people in the hall will see your face.

    You couldn’t walk in sixteen times over.

    Inshallah, the Postal Vote Fairy never stops smiling on Liberals and Labour!

  220. Another means of researching is to consider the occupancy of a type of accomodation and then the notional adult population from the roll. If it is a 1 bedroom flat with 5 adults it is an issue whether or not there is electoral fraud.

  221. In praise of Doreen Lawrence, Matthew D’Ancona writes:

    ‘Lords reform is off the agenda for now’

    Ha, ha, ha.

    This is another LibLabCon pantomime.

    That the Lords will be reformed from here.

    Why would they be?

    No positions of power to hand out?

    What good is that to LibLabCon?

    And with the mood the electorate is in!

    Oh, no.

    Anything but face the voters.

    The pretence is that it’s parked in the long grass.

    No, no, no.

    Those three will not give up the gift of patronage.

    The last thing they want is a Farage or Paul Weston getting voted in there and exposing them for what they are.

    And the lots of the donors need a reward too.

    They paid for it.

  222. That’s a good point PoM, but I’m guessing the answer would be, ‘it’s like a lot of Polish households. Work here for six months of the year, all in the same room and then back to Poland for six months to live like a king (UK taxpayer paying child benefit, of course!).’

    Even if you could get behind the front door, the answer is likely, they’re all gone.

    But I agree, any analysis is better than none.

    It would be a start.

  223. P from M.

    Peter I have twice attempted to email you this evening; each time unsuccessfully and with the following message, any ideas?

    The following recipient(s) cannot be reached:

    ‘peter@coffeehousewall.co.uk.’ on 03/08/2013 23:00
    Server error: ‘Invalid recipient’

  224. I love the Telegraph readers!

    They are kicking D’Ancona senseless!

    The thing I notice with the Telegraph is how rarely I read the full article these days.

    Most of the time, you read the first three or four sentences, get the drift of the spin and then pile in at the bottom to smash the writer to bits in the Comments section.

    Some wonderful person has put this under D’Ancona’s drivel:

    ‘Has anyone made it to the end, yet?’

    I cannot stop laughing!

    I didn’t have to subject myself to the whole inane propaganda, but fortunately somebody else pulled out this gem by D’Ancona for non-readers to laugh at:

    ‘Finkelstein: “one of the most brilliant political intellectuals of his
    generation”

    ‘you can only shake your head in disbelief at how divorced from reality the westminster coterie is from the rest of the country.’

    If your Recommend Button Muscle needs a workout, do get over there and help whack the digital daylights out of that twerp!

  226. Irishboy 22:37

    66%? That’s absolutely astonishing.

    Why has that never been mentioned in the media, even as “a bizarrely anomalous figure”.

    What an incredible slur on our “democratic process”. Freakin’ heck, makes Mr Mugabe’s election for his 112th term look entirely plausible.

  228. The Sunday papers report that UKIP is target number one for the Tory smear doctors.

    They cannot wait until 2015, The European elections are next year.

    If Farage does well there, it’s too late for Cameron.

    That’s what all these ‘we’re doing something on immigration’ pantomimes are about.

    The smears will be coming thick and fast over the next 12 months.

  230. I am no fan of the Daily Mail, a used car spiv of a paper that pretends to be the readers’ friend.

    Its readership is based on its scale of coverage, you really do have to root about before you find the useful stuff.

    However, their revenge on Brian Leveson and the Common Purpose act is breathtaking and utterly, utterly joyous.

    The venom behind the Hacked Off campaign on free speech was truly frightening.

    It’s curtailed enough as it is.

    And what they really wanted was web censorship.

    This really is the most joyous punch-up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384212/How-rogue-private-investigators-stole-bank-details-Lloyd-s-London-Shocking-claim-detective-centre-blue-chip-hacking-storm.html

    And as to David Sherbourne and Carine Patry-Hoskins not sleeping together until after the inquiry!

    It really has been so nice to see people like Murdoch and so on get some bruises.

    I don’t really have a dog of my own in this fight.

    I just want them all to carry on ripping lumps out of each other.

    No-one is coming out of this well. It’s like watching the establishment fighting and all come spilling out of White’s Club and we can all see what really goes on while they settle scores in the street.

    You don’t know who’ll get hit next, some ghastly high court judge, lawyer, multi-national spiv, media baron.

    I’m in heaven.

    As you were!

    Hit harder. Harder!

  232. Ynys Mon : By-election to Welsh assembly.Plaid 58%/Lab16%/UKIP14+%/Con8-5%[down from 20% in 2011].Turn-out 42-4%.

  234. Has the Reichstag been set afire yet, or have we been saved in time by the NSA’s blanket, illegal surveillance?

  235. Stunning Radford NG.

    I knew the story that they were ‘slipping in the polls’ was not true.

    Those polls are put together by people like Peter Kellner, husband of the head of the EU, BAroness Ashton.

    You don’t think they would make life easy for Fargage.

    Excellent result and Cameron really is taking a hiding.

    That’s why UKIP are his number one smear target.

    That’s why Lynton Crosby has been staging stunts about doing something about immigrants.

    Really, really good stuff.

  236. I will never see eye to eye with Peter Hitchens on the monarchy (an exhausting debate!), but today he is a must read.

    It is a point he has tried to get over before, and a point many here and thousands of others on other blogs are getting and trying to get across.

    Immigration is the effect. To stop that, you must go to the cause: the rulers.

    Don’t vote. Vote Liberty GB. Vote UKIP. But you must not vote for the established parties.

    The Conservative Party has virtually no grassroots, the behemoth is so close to collapse.

    The first step in all this must be smashing the established parties. The rest of this post is all Peter Hitchens:

    The Government’s pretence of being resolute and decisive on immigration is a lie. It is almost as bad as New Labour’s secret decision to transform the country with migrants.

    Do they really think that hiring a couple of stupid publicity vans, fraudulently claiming that illegal migrants are in serious danger of arrest and deportation, will fool anybody? Alas, they do.

    Will you be fooled? I beg you not to be. I beg you, instead, to be angry and vengeful, and to make that revenge hurt, to vote UKIP as often as you can, to destroy the wretched ‘Conservative’ Party which so insults your intelligence.

    It is because he knows that you are rightly worried about immigration that David Cameron is engaged on his slippery and dishonest propaganda campaign. He personally couldn’t care less about the problem.

    It doesn’t threaten his job or push his wages down. It doesn’t alter his neighbourhood beyond recognition, trapping him in a place where he no longer feels welcome or at ease.

    As he doesn’t know what Magna Carta means, and has never heard of the Bill of Rights, I think we can safely say he’s not that worried about the disappearance of our once-beloved culture of law and liberty.

    He’s even got a Minister – Nick Boles – whose job it is to destroy the countryside. If Britain becomes a featureless concreted-over province in a Multiculti Euroland, he won’t care.

    He’ll still be rich enough to afford peace and space, when they have become impossible dreams for the rest of us.

    For him, and those like him among the Relaxed Rich, immigration means cheap nannies and cheap restaurants.

    For his friends in business it means cheap and easily bullied workers. For his friends in New Labour (whose heir he is and whose seat in power he is keeping warm), it means even more.

    Unlike Mr Cameron, the Blairites knew what they were doing when they opened our ports to all who came.

    A secret government paper, circulated among Ministers in October 2000 (but censored before being released a year later), revealed their aim was to ‘maximise the contribution of migration to the Government’s social and economic objectives’.

    What were those objectives? It’s easy to guess, looking at this collection of 1960s campus revolutionaries, spiced up with unrepentant ex-Trotskyists and ex-Communists, and cheered on by the anti-British London media classes.

    But in fact we know. A typical London liberal and New Labour speechwriter, Andrew Neather, boasted about it in October 2009 and then wished he hadn’t.

    He burbled about how immigration had been ‘highly positive’ for ‘middle-class Londoners’. He wrote: ‘It’s not simply a question of foreign nannies, cleaners and gardeners – although frankly it’s hard to see how the capital could function without them.’

    He was even franker: ‘But this wave of immigration has enriched us much more than that. A large part of London’s attraction is its cosmopolitan nature.

    It is so much more international now than, say, 15 years ago, and so much more heterogeneous than most of the provinces, that it’s pretty much unimaginable for us to go back.’

    That’s an interesting use of ‘us’, there. He didn’t mean you, I don’t think. But above all came this admission from the heart of government, where Mr Neather once worked.

    The opening of our ports had ‘a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural’.

    Even this apostle of modernity was a bit worried. ‘I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended – even if this wasn’t its main purpose – to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date. That seemed to me to be a manoeuvre too far.

    ‘Ministers were very nervous about the whole thing .  .  . there was a reluctance elsewhere in government to discuss what increased immigration would mean, above all for Labour’s core white working-class vote.’

    I happen to think this brief glimpse of the truth was the most important political revelation of our time. I believe the ideas behind it still rule.

    And in case you’re still fooled by Mr Cameron’s disgraceful pretence, take a look at the Commons Public Administration Committee report on the Government’s noisy claims to have cut immigration. It is devastating. It shows that the figures used by Ministers to claim they are closing the doors are little better than guesswork.

    Migration into this country, legal and illegal, continues apace. The transformation of Britain into somewhere else accelerates.

    The official propaganda about economic benefits is mostly tripe (see an excellent analysis in Ed West’s powerful new book The Diversity Illusion). The pressure on schools, GPs, hospitals, housing and transport is huge and growing.

    We have been betrayed. It is not the fault of the migrants, with whom we must seek to live in harmony. But those responsible, in all the major parties, must be punished for their lies.

    We were fooled once. It will be our shame if we are fooled again.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2384272/PETER-HITCHENS-Dont-blame-immigrants–arent-ones-wrecking-Britain.html

  237. Radford NGAugust 4th, 2013 – 04:07

    Good news for UKIP indeed, but be careful inferring too much from this -Anglesea is a funny old place

  239. Peter Hitchens also has a little joke at Common Purpose today.

    People often rap the press for not talking more about Common Purpose more, but CP’s techniques an opacity are designed to look innocent and be difficult to untangle.

    When the Mail finally ran pieces on it, exposing the Leveson inquiry’s CP links, they were able to run the piece on the basis that CP had broken data protection laws.

    They will threaten big publications that write about them, so that is why the press has to be careful.

    CP’s stock in trade is language.

    Manipulating and distorting.

    They love the word ‘progressive’ – as if anybody who objects is regressive, out of date.

    ‘Going forward’ is another one. Just run it in your head back-to-front to see what a weasel phrase it is. Anyone who objects is ‘going backward’.

    It is language designed to mesh in natural change – which happens all the time – with Marxoid agenda change.

    It’s like hiding the pill in the cat food, so the cat won’t notice.

    Many of the people who use this language are not even fully aware of what they are doing. They are stooges, useful idiots.

    That is what CP wants. Methods that can make people can swallow the agenda without even realising it.

    They want people to think, ‘Oh, well I’d better go forward and not backward.’

    Fished in. Sucker.

    Looks like this cat found the nasty language pill. And spat it out:

    “Have you noticed how many public figures have started ending their sentences with the meaningless phrase ‘going forward’?

    “Is it a coded signal to their alien controllers? Listen out for it and you’ll be amazed how common it is.

    “Be very afraid.”

  240. Reform is another word that the enemy tries to use in a way that cannot be contradicted. Reform means nothing more than change in the present usage but it is invested with all the sense that things will be made better, without ever having to show that this will be the case.

  242. Why are we not marching in the streets? The Government is now going to pay companies to provide DIESEL GENERATORS to ramp up electricity availability when wind farms are unable to match demand (i.e all the time). These businesses will be paid even if the highly polluting diesel generators are not used, and it is expected to cost billions of pounds to provide electricity in this way, simply to ensure we meet an arbitrary and delusional level of renewable energy production.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/10220083/We-could-soon-be-paying-billions-for-this-wind-back-up.html

  243. Sandwiched in this August 2nd episode of the Alex Jones Show between the story of the CIA gun-running in Libya which led to the deaths of the US Ambassador Stevens and other Americans in Benghazi last September 11th (unbelievable scandal – murder of their own people by Federal government members), political correctness (e.g. citizen and brown bagging – see Paul J. @ 00:09), blackmailing of the Queen; the killing of a faun at an animal shelter by a swat team of cops, and other interesting items, is an interview with JAMES DELINGPOLE on how 97% of global warming promoters are funded by oil companies.

    Alex Jones is an acquired taste,especially for someone brought up in England, but he has been fighting the good fight for eighteen years – and James Delingpole doesn’t have a problem associating with him.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-BX_RLinVo

  245. Alex Jones does very well.

    I don’t agree with everything he says, but he gets an awful lot right.

    The biggest problem people like him have is scale.

    They do not have access to contacts or large legal teams and reporters who can spend time on research.

    His appearance on the Andrew Neil Sunday show and Piers Morgan show in America were the MSM trying to kill him off.

    Shows like his are where people go now to try to find out the real news.

    You have to cobble together the real news from this and that.

    All MSM news must be treated with scepticism.

  246. There’s been a lot of that recently.

    Especially Tommy Robinson’s interview with Andrew Neil.

    There was a BBC radio interview which was designed to lull Tommy into thinking he’d start getting to speak normally.

    Then came the Andrew Neil interview.

    The danger signs flashed when it had been pre-recorded.

    The show goes out live and most interviews are live, but you do not let someone like Andrew Neil have the luxury of hitting the edit button.

    Especially not on the subjects Robinson talks about.

    It was full of interruptions, a very stage-managed operation for Andrew Neil to batter Robinson.

    I’m not convinced at all that people who are big in the blogosphere need to get MSM coverage any more.

    They will never, ever provide a fair platform.

    If anything, old mainstream media needs to go the same way as old mainstream political parties.

    We must turn our backs on them.

    Not expect them to start being fair.

  248. Peter from Maidstone@August 4th, 2013 – 11:25

    they dont seem to follow national swings in elections, often provide surprise results.

    but like the western isles of scotland.

  249. PfM 12.28pm: The government’s energy policies – or lack of them, more like – are unraveling rapidly. The only thing that lets them get away with it is general ignorance. Booker has been plugging away at this particular lunacy – the STOR scheme – for some weeks, with support from Delingpole and Richard North. But the true impact of this has so far sparked no political fire.
    I have a letter, via my MP, from MP Michael Fallon – energy security minister – in which he defends the phasing out of coal fired power stations in pursuit of CO2 emission targets. This was in May, I wonder if my MP will be as complacent Mr Fallon when I raise the question of these STOR generators, with their ruinous subsidies and and high CO2 emissions.

  250. Malfleur that is an excellent clip.

    It is Question Time squared.

    All of the dice are loaded against Robinson.

    The panel, the presenter, the audience.

    Saira Khan and her butter wouldn’t melt in Islam’s mouth diatribe is disgusting.

    Most of it is just shrieking ‘racist’ to close down the debate – just as they were taught at sixth form and university.

    When they’re getting shown up for what they are, they just get to the word ‘racist’ as quick as possible.

    This is why I’m not convinced people should accept the platform the BBC and other mainstream outlets offer them.

    It will always be biased.

    Incidentally, Muslim lobby groups are fighting hard to get Islam classified as a ‘race’, because they want that word thrown around harder.

    The other thing that Muslim lobby groups want targeted is free speech on the internet.

    Go on to the internet and the whole world disbelieves the MSM.

    Step into a studio for a BBC debate programme and you’re in a George Orwell rigged debate.

    As much as a clip like that is useful to show how biased the BBC is, I don’t know how useful it is.

    I don’t think that people like Robinson should live in a bubble. They must be able to take people on in debate, but Saira Khan just screaming: ‘You’re a racist, you’re a racist, you’re a racist.’

    That’s not debate.

    That’s just a bog standard BBC ambush.

  251. I think the BBC likes using Tommy Robinson as well for a number of reasons.

    He is young and therefore relativley inexperienced as a debater.

    His group is a street group that has people with tattoos and so on.

    Those characteristics make him much easier to target than some other people I can think of. As much as he is brave – and he is brave – he is a relatively easy Aunt Sally for the BBC to set up and throw jibes at.

    People like Pat Condell, Paul Weston and Enza Ferreri are deliberately ignored by the BBC, because that’s a different proposition: the characteristics some of them have would stump the BBC so they wouldn’t let them near the airwaves: gay, very well educated, female.

    With the best respect to Robinson, they exploit his inarticulacy and exaggerate the tattoo image of some EDL followers, because they want to create an image of thuggishness to knock down in public.

    The day you see a live, unedited interview with Pat Condell and Andrew Neil, no studio audience, no bien pensant panel of guests for Neil to turn away to and use a mini chorus of PC booers, then I’d believe I was seeing a real debate.

  252. Further to the STOR energy lunacy, why is Milliband silent on this? Is he the whelp that didn’t bark in the night?

  254. Malfleur & Mrs Tiggywinkle

    That BBC3 clip terrifies me: the fact that so many in the audience have clearly been completely duped is a disaster and perhaps explains why there will never be any stop to our genocide.

    Talk about useful stooges.

  256. Mrs Tiggywinkle, I’d love to see a Coffee House News site, with a large, volunteer team of news reporters who sift through the various global news outlets and write the news as it should be published.

    It needs funding though. I wonder if it would be possible to create a business plan incorporating some ideas like this, form an organisation, and petition disgruntled ex-Tory donors for funding?

  257. It is terrifying, Redneck, but that is part of it’s purpose too.

    Imagine being a young person – forget it, imagine being anyone of any age – and thinking to yourself Robinson has a point.

    Would you feel like arguing the point on a public platform after seeing that?

    That is what the BBC wants to do: intimidate people.

    It’s exhausting to watch the constant distortions and lies put into Tommy Robinson’s mouth.

    The message is: ‘If you fancy entering this debate from that point of view, this is what you’ll get.’

    All things considered Robinson did very well. He just kept calm and asked them to cite the exact evidence he was racist.

    Answer came there none.

    But the message was clear: we don’t need evidence to call you racist, so you know what to expect if you ever fancy joining in this debate.

    I think Robinson was duped a little because he was on BBC radio, which is fairly obscure, and they lulled him into thinking he’d get to speak again without being interrupted and shouted down.

    The MSM will always knife outsiders like him in the back.

  258. It’s funny because I never heard Saira Khan open her mouth when Medhi Hasan was calling people ‘kuffr’ in the pulpit.

    Medhi says he was misinterpreted and how would anyone else know if they’re not Muslim.

    That’s the way these people work.

    They give themselves on monopoly on what can be said and how it can be interpreted.

    And the BBC just loves Saira Khan and Medhi Hasan.

  259. I’m looking at the UKIP people’s ‘mistakes’ and none of them amount to a hill of beans.

    None of them come close to David Cameron’s refusal to answer questions about whether he took illiegal drugs.

    Or to the fact that David Cameron took so much money in expenses he had to hand some of it back and continued to get £20,000 a year mortgage relief on his house in Oxford when a) he is in commuting distance of London and b) had a London house anyway with no mortgage on it – it was owned outright.

    Why did David Cameron get to hand money back. Why isn’t he in the dock with Denis MacShane?

    None of the smears on UKIPare as serious as that.

  260. I told my brother about the use of generators to feed the grid at enormous cost and his reply was , as long as the lights stay on I don’t care. My energy bills are small so I don’t care what they do.
    He is an electrician at a university.
    Not only does he not care about where the electricity comes from he has no interest about the influence of energy costs to business and its ability to destroy jobs.
    We on this site have a view of the bigger picture, but is frightening to realise how some / most people think.
    They just don’t care.
    And this is a guy who’s always worked , always done the right thing (for him).
    So what hope of people lower down thinking sensibly.

  261. Mrs T, I think we need to find a way to step back from the focus on politicians (a natural focus for the MSM of course, since it allows them to silence voices for trivial offences) and find ways to allow the people to express their own opinions and voices. The voice of the people cannot be silenced if it can be voiced.

  262. John, I think we need to find easy ways to explain that higher energy bills increase the cost of EVERYTHING. We have not yet learned how to propagandise for the truth and so we are unable to expose the enemy and describe simply the condition we find ourselves in.

  263. BENHGAZI : Whilst I haven’t been able to keep-up with affairs in Libya,I see reports of 35 CIA agents in Benhgazi (from CNN/Atlas Shrugs/Breitbart) out of control of Hillary Clinton.Reports have it weapons were stored there and supplied to Syrian rebels–including al Qaeda–for the overthrow of Assad Jnr.All part of Obama’s really cunning plan to support Sunnis against Shi-ites. There is also a claim this provoked an Iranian inspired attack to prevent Obama being re-elected.For this SEE http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/08/03/

  264. Peter I think it goes deeper than that, a friend who is a good middle class kind of guy dumbfounded me recently when talking about solar panels.
    He had idea that they produced electricity.
    Because he and a workmate had made a panel 30 years ago to warm water he thought that’s what these new panels did.
    I said how can you not have seen all the adverts for feed in tariffs but he just looked blank .no idea whatsoever , and he can vote.
    There is a massive amount of people who have just switched off.
    They just don’t want to know.
    I can’t see how you can reconnect these people with the real world, because they have rejected the real world.
    As his wife said, if it doesn’t affect us we don’t care about it.
    I despair.

  265. Hi John. I understand what you mean. But our job is to show them that it does affect them every day in every way. They think it doesn’t and so are not concerned. But it does and many will be when they understand this.

  266. Peter, I do try as I am sure we all do but the level of disconnect is unbelievable.
    I have spent the last 25 years working all over the world with intelligent people, and to listen to people with parochial attitudes back home is like living in a parallel universe.
    They seem to have no understanding of the situation this country is in at all.

  267. It’s very true that most people in the UK are utterly selfish and have an ‘If it doesn’t affect me, I don’t care’ attitude.

    They will always be with the world.

    But when you do reach the thinking part of the populace, they must not be netted and duped by the elites.

    The independence that the internet has given forums like this is hugely important.

    It doesn’t require screeds of abuse.

    It requires thinking people to work out what their common ground is and point out the bits on the body politic where the poison and the anaethetic are applied by the elites.

    Talking about solar panels, and ‘I don’t care’.

    You will care if you’ve overpaid for the wretched things (which people have).

    And you’ll also care if you buy a house with a Green Deal debt attached to it.

    These are government schemes to get people to put on solar panels and do other ‘eco-energy’ saving things that involve a loan – allegedly although you have a loan, the reduction in bills will make it worth it.

    Rubbish.

    And worse still, if the house is sold, the Green Deal debt stays with the house.

    In other words, the new occupier has a debt attached to their house they don’t even know about.

    This is what the UK is about now, inventing debts where there never used to be debts.

    One more debt just to enslave people further.

    And it’s trying to give scam industries and duped customers a stake in the global warming narrative.

    So many people don’t want that narrative to end because their businesses will end.

    There are billions of pounds revolving around the lie of global warming/climate change.

    There always is a tipping point, though, when it does matter.

    And you can see it in white flight.

    The people who fled parts of London ‘didn’t care’ until they were flooded on their doorstep.

    Even if the UK is finished (and I think it is) there will one day be a diaspora of the dispossessed gathered in refugee camps probably on mainland Europe and people mustn’t forget who the guilty men and women are. Or why the UK ended.

    We all know what the Jewish diaspora did. And I think the UK will have to end before people ever really wake up and understand how they’ve been fooled.

    But when it all finally ends, the survivors of the diaspora that was the UK will want to know why it happend and who was responsible.

  269. This is the level of desperation Cameron has sunk to.

    He has hired Obama’s Web Smearer In Chief, Jim Messina.

    The article won’t tell you this but Jim Messina effectively got Republican supporting websites shut down and flooded the internet with Obamite trolls.

    Incidentally, I notice on the Telegraph articles about fracking, many readers there believe fracking trolls have appeared. Telegraph readers do not just let countryside issues away with dodgy science.

    Anyway, Cameron knows he has huge problems on the internet and Lynton Crosby will be in charge of smear strategy while Obama’s boy will be commanding Cameron’s web smear crusade.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/10220425/American-Way-can-Jim-Messina-do-for-David-Cameron-what-he-did-for-Barack-Obama.html

    The dirty tricks against UKIP have not even started.

    Even for a party that used to have Bernard Ingham as a press secretary, this is going to be a new level of viciousness.

  270. Mrs Tiggywinkle – 18:55 ‘English diaspora?’

    But where do we go?

    I think Europe’s situation is even worse.

  271. Mrs T. I don’t think the UK is finished. I think there is a great struggle ahead of us. But listen to the speeches of Churchill. It’s not over until and unless we surrender. I’m not ready to surrender. It’s a mistake to believe the propaganda of our enemies. What we need to do is resist, speak truth, propagandise actively for our national identity, and never give up.

    Far from losing our nation great cracks are appearing in the political facade. Where is the man to exploit them? How will we play our part in exploiting them?

  272. RobertC, I’m not going anywhere. This is my country and I’ll give my life to defending it and seeing it freedom from the alien political culture and class which is invading us.

  273. Mrs Tiggywinkle

    “Even for a party that used to have Bernard Ingham as a press secretary, this is going to be a new level of viciousness.”

    You do come up with some very strange comments, Bernard Ingham was a superb press secretary for the Blessed Margaret, he was then and is now a fine example of a Conservative gentleman.

  274. Spain threatens escalation of Gibraltar row
    ““The party is over,” Mr Garcia-Margallo told ABC newspaper as he unveiled proposals for a €50 (£43) border crossing fee and tax investigations of thousands of Gibraltarians who own property in Spain.

    Mr Garcia-Margallo said the Spanish tax authorities would investigate property owned by around 6,000 Gibraltans in neighbouring parts of Spain, as part of its EU obligations to control “fiscal irregularities”.
    Spain was also considering closing airspace to planes heading for the airport in Gibraltar and changing rules to wring taxes from online gaming companies based in Gibraltar.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/10221518/Spain-threatens-escalation-of-Gibraltar-row.html

    The EU is so inspiring, what will we do when it has crumbled?

  276. RobertC

    “But where do we go?”

    Hello Robert, do you not think that your asking the wrong person for advice?

    As Peter has written we should not seek to go anywhere this is our country and we must change it from within, not everything is bad, we do have a lot to be proud of.

  277. David Ossitt@August 4th, 2013 – 20:21

    Hide in very small towns and villages. I am 🙂

  278. Mrs Tiggywinkle – 23:10 ‘… with the Telegraph is how rarely I read the full article …”

    Yes, the posts under the articles are much more entertaining, informative and less likely to be a ‘cut and paste job’ from a pressure group.

    Is that why the internet subscription for The Daily Telegraph is so low?

  280. All of us who have white British ancestry before the 20th century are ALL related to each other. We all share the same ancestors from the 11th century onwards. This is why we are British and this is why Britain is our home, our own land.

    The time is passed for hiding anywhere. We must claim our nation back, for ourselves and our children. Just as our ancestors have done before us when threatened by oppression and by alien authority.

    Perhaps we must rise up from the villages and smaller towns. But we must rise up or be a cause of shame and contempt for our descendants forever.

    England Awake! Awake! Awake!

  281. Peter from Maidstone – 20:14 ‘I’m not going anywhere’

    Neither am I. There is nowhere else better. The problem is that too many people have no idea what is happening.

    I have just bought a book, titled “A History of the English Speaking Peoples since 1900”, by Andrew Roberts, ISBN 978-0-06-087598-5. It celebrates the English speaking nations. The Amazon review comments are tidily split on political grounds, so I would not expect it to be reviewed favourably by the BBC.
    Well worth the very low price (hardback £2.99), it was in a book shop that ‘specialised in sales’, though I see that Amazon offers used copies even cheaper.

  282. Goodness me!

    I do not view mainland Europe as a safe haven at all – at present – but I think there is a much more concerted understanding and recognition of what is happening.

    Let me take Sarkozy as an example.

    He was a failure on many fronts, but because he was an immigrant himself, he gave France back its self confidence.

    They ban the burkha.

    The party structures are so rigid, who would get past the selection process to get laws like that passed?

    Sarkozy would not have got near a British political seat.

    Sarkozy’s proximity to the UK stunned me when he was elected.

    He was not some panacea for France, but the idea that this immigrant could get the highest political office and stand up for France in the way he did – I just thought, ‘Is anyone in Blighty taking notice?’

    That’s the way to do it. That’s a start.

    People like Sarkozy, Marine Le Pen, Geert Wilders.

    None of these people have any counterpart in the UK parliament.

    We know why that is. They’d be smeared.

    There is no equivalent in the Commons.

    Moreover, France, Italy, Spain, places like these have a history of revolution. Stuff like that is important.

    It is embedded in national consciousness, is it not?

    In my experience, I may be wrong, British people are not tapped in to such historical narratives, and don’t – yet – have any political figures that are comparable to some of the ones I mentioned.

    I think that’s big stuff.

    If you believe that a tipping point of some sort has to occur, which I do, I suggest that is where the pieces of the jigsaw are in place.

    And add to that the economic tinderbox of Southern Europe. It is making people think, ‘Who is in charge of all this? Why are we signed into the EU?’

    That is happening in much sharper relief than it is in the UK.

    I may be completely wrong but – for the sake of argument – accept the idea of the tipping point, and then spell out where and how you think any political counter action is most likely.

    Perhaps it will never happen anywhere in Europe. But take the pieces on your jigsaw board, place them down. Where might the most likely opposition be?

  283. Farage’s response to Crosby’s gutter politics:

    Responding to the revelation that the Tory chief spin-doctor, Lynton Crosby was planning a ‘below the radar‘ operation to attack UKIP, Nigel Farage described the Australian’s tactics as ‘descending to the gutter’.

    “It is obvious that they do not think that they can compete with UKIP on matters of public policy so their approach is obviously to play the man not the ball”, said Farage.

    http://www.economicvoice.com/in-political-desperation-the-tories-descend-to-the-gutter/50039054#sthash.s09MNXc9.dpuf

  284. Alexsandr August 4th, 2013 – 20:24

    “Hide in very small towns and villages. I am :)”

    As do I.

  286. Continuity in the Anglosphere

    “My name is Walter Roger Taylor. I believe in free thought, in all its aspects. Why should we limit ourselves to certain precepts of a conditioned “society” when we have the ability to reach a much greater and grander scale of being? Unplug from the collective! Stop watching the corporately-owned mainstream media. Turn off the TV! Do your own research to find the REAL truth. THINK, LEARN, AND BECOME!

    I am a direct descendant of Roger Williams, the founder of Rhode Island and the founder of The First Baptist Church in America.

    “God is too large to be housed under one roof.”

    Roger Williams

    Roger Williams (1603 – 1683) was an English Protestant theologian who was an early proponent of religious freedom and the separation of church and state. In 1636, he began the colony of Providence Plantation, which provided a refuge for religious minorities. Williams started the First Baptist Church in America, the First Baptist Church of Providence. He was a student of Native American languages and an advocate for fair dealings with Native Americans. Williams was arguably the first abolitionist in North America, having organized the first attempt to prohibit slavery in any of the original thirteen colonies.”

    https://thedestructionist.wordpress.com/

    “Resistance to Tyranny is Obedience to God… (Thomas Jefferson)”

  287. “A source familiar with the meeting has said that Mr Crosby referred to elected Ukip members as “f***ers” and suggested that attempts could be made to delve into the personal lives of the party’s candidates. ” (DT)

    Of course it helps to have a security network, or that of a friendly power, which can tap directly into anyone’s telephone or computer.

    https://thedestructionist.wordpress.com/2013/08/02/telecom-giants-give-gchq-unlimited-access-to-networks-develop-own-spyware-snowden-leaks/

    As the transvestite, J. Edgar Hoover, knew so well, to stay in power you need a good Black Book.

    Meanwhile…

    The term “f***ers” seems set to became a term of approbation.

    Keep supporting those “f***ers”, Noa! What this country needs is more of them.

  288. I see you Limeys have been landed with the man who elected the most dangerous President since Carter.

    I was shocked to read this morning of the fact that Jim Messina, manager of President Obama’s 2012 campaign, had marketed himself to the UK’s Conservative Party, while, at the same time, chairing the president’s “Organizing for Action” program here in the States.

    What’s this all about? Is it a a lack of grounding values that had made Messina such a useful political operative since 2009-10 when his mission was often one of curbing the “overenthusiastic” liberal advocacy groups, who, as result, missed that window of opportunity?

    Does it underscore the Obama administration’s very thin commitment to anything close to a progressive economic agenda, so much so that they seem determined to resurrect Larry Summers yet again?

    Or is it an arrogance of position that assumes that Americans are so ignorant that Obama’s people can decry Republican austerity at home while at the same time support Conservative austerity in the UK — and no one will care or even notice?

    Or, is it simply a matter of the money to be made that adds up to his kind of political amorality?

    Well, I for one hope some people here notice enough to deny another dime of support for Organizing for Action on this side of the Atlantic while its leader promotes Organizing for Re-Action on the other

  290. “we are in the hands of barbarians… I have very serious doubts about the survival of our civilisation under such people…the elite are really not elites…we don’t have elites anymore ”

    May I suggest that this refers only to Limeyland.

    The rest of the world trade on optimism.

  291. JJB

    “The rest of the world trade on optimism.”

    Yes, but in the case of your country, on optimism and somewhere north of US$240 trillion in unfunded government liabilities.

  293. Once more the Spanish are playing silly buggers over the status of Gibraltar. In retaliation would it be too much to ask that our gutless Government pointed out the Spanish occupation of the Ceuta and Melilla, enclaves on the North African coast. Perhaps we should encourage the Moroccans to press their case for the return of these territories. At Least we got Gib by treaty and not conquest.

  294. I would expect a £43 charge to be applied to all Spanish passport holders entering and leaving UK borders. The Spanish Ambassador should be called in and told that any actions against Gibraltar will be duplicated for all Spaniards in respect of the UK.

  296. Peter from Maidstone – 12:36 ‘I would expect a £43 charge to be applied’

    A weekly charge, payable at Post Offices, would be even better.

    There would need to be a special queue as well, as only Post Offices can do. We need to make them feel that they have had special treatment and ‘valued’, @ £43 pw!

    Who needs a sit-com when there is the EU to entertain us?

  297. I wonder what the relative military strengths of Spain and the UK? And if Spain closes its airspace to flights going to Gibraltar should we not raise the possibility of closing UK airspace to any flights heading to or from Spain?

  298. William Hague has expressed his concern over irregularities in the Zimbabwe elections and called for an investigation. How piquant, the mans ethics are as bald as his bonce. Why are he and his pals getting worked up over electoral fraud half way around the World? when to witness the real thing all he has to do is take a jog along the embankment to tower hamlets, where the politicians are elected in Bangladesh, and thieve anything not nailed to the ground in Whitechapel. Such is the staggering incompetence that they have recently had to vacate the town hall because they can not pay the rent.

  300. GIBRALTAR : “It’s time the British Government pulled it’s finger out and stopped mouthing diplomatic niceties to Madrid.” Earl of Dartmouth (MEP.UKIP.)

  302. stephen maybery 5th, – 14:36

    It’s a faraway country of which we know little.

    Er-m, just a minute…

  303. PfM 5th, – 13:28

    “should we not raise the possibility of closing UK airspace to any flights heading to or from Spain?”

    Or simply chuck Iberia airlines out of IAG…it’s BA that’s keeping them alive as it is.

  304. Radford NG

    “It’s time the British Government pulled it’s finger out and stopped mouthing diplomatic niceties to Madrid.” Earl of Dartmouth (MEP.UKIP.)”

    The trouble is, that even when it pulls its finger out of one orifice it only puts into another.

  306. Hexhamgeezer@August 5th, 2013 – 20:18

    every time i see one oh huhnes windmills i want to smash his face in 🙂

  309. I suspect that, under EU rules, Spain’s actions are unlawful (open borders etc) but I doubt action will be taken.

    However, I’m sure, as the UK is not in the Euro, there is nothing to stop the UK putting a limit on the amount of currency holidaymakers from the UK can take to Spain.

    That should be enough to completely screw their economy.

    And, perhaps, the suited thieves at HMRC might tie Santander in knots with a detailed audit into their activities in the UK.

    The Spanish economy is not in a position to start throwing stones. Just like their friends in the southern hemisphere, all this activity is posturing to draw attention away from their dire financial position.

    Let’s face it, Europe needs a good war to sort out the mess its in. If we can’t depend upon the Germans to kick things off, the Spanish will do. Especially as they sat the last one out.

  310. Alexsdandr 5th, – 20:24

    “every time i see one of Huhne’s windmills I want to smash his face in. 🙂 ”

    They don’t seem to do birds much good when they fly into them…perhaps we could fit Huhne into one of those ‘human’ cannonball machines and fire him through the arc swept by the blades. And again, if they don’t get him first time…ad infinitum.

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