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Fast and furious comment off the cuff:
I suppose this business in Constantinople is something we should be supporting. After all, here are a bunch of what might pass for far right football hooligans led by men with short hair who may not have had the best of upbringings nor been awfully well behaved young men so as to fit them for the role of leader in the eyes of some of our bien-pensants, on an opportunistic rampage for days on end now in the capital – well cultural capital – causing mayhem in the centre of town and much distress to a government which has been beavering away at integrating itself into an alliance of nations one day to be politically centralised under the benign hand of an overarching law drawn up by nobody with any real warrant except from someone who may or may not have existed in the 7th century some distance from Santa Sofia.
Of course in England the same far right group stays religiously within the law,and (as is the fascist wont) allies itself with Zionists and Sikhs, no need to tear gas them they are so law-abiding, unlike those Turkish hooligans messing up the picture postcards of world tourists in Byzantium and for no observable reason, and it is with difficulty that even the occasional bottle flung at the English far right pro-Israel constitutionalists by the left-wing fascists in green scarves can be ascribed to those hooligans of the right by artful police reporting and their hangers on and yes men in the media.
Lot of ammunition for UKIP in Constantinople if they know how to use it- and where else?
Malfleur
I cannot find Constantinople on my atlas
Is it a UKIP sponsored independent city?
John Jefferson Burns
It’s there, and beautiful – but under a pile of shit. Look deeper.
I was there a decade ago accompanying someone to a major event. I didn’t like the experience of being in Turkey but would love to return to Constantinople.
…and would love Constantinople to return to us…
Delingpole has had a senior moment while still young:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/jamesdelingpole/
How can Delingpole advocate the accession of Turkey? How? Its insanity.
Baron’s away for a few days and Malfleur disappoints, he fails to furnish the blog with a link to two recent postings by Sultan Knish. Both are as good as they get.
http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/
In the most recent one the top story teller says what Baron has said before. It ain’t to us to tell those who follow Allah how to interpret his teaching, but it is up to us to ensure those who pick the hadiths of the sword, preach them, act upon them are as far away from this country as it’s humanely possible.
The one posting prior to it reads well except that Sultan fails to address what Baron reckons is the key to the debate. Why now? Why is Islam, or for those who cannot go that far, why is Islamism a problem now when it wasn’t a problem in 1950, 1900, 1850…? Ha?
Baron, the answer to your question is simple, oil, and the Arabs in general and the Saudis in particular are using the money generated by oil to purchase their version of Islam which in primitive content could be equated you the Holy Rollers of America. Lord Palmerton knew how to handle like this, unfortunately that art is sadly lost.
Selina, the poorly educated Slav has just scanned your late last week’s postings. You make your take on things clear, Baron, however, remans unconvinced. It’s not the people of Islam, well, not the majority anyway that we should single out, it’s the ideology, the creed, or rather it’s interpretation that stinks.
Think about this: You’re a Muslim guided by the hadiths of peace, you harbour no ill will to anyone, infidels and all, in short you’re one of the Muslims of old when the West and the Muslim East lived at ease with each other, your spiritual leader, however, in his Friday prayer, takes a different take on things. As you sit there listening to him, would you object? Baron reckons you wouldn’t. You’re a part of the family of Muslims, bound by a creed your predecessors followed, you have your family to consider; seeing those who follow the imam’s interpretation of the Koran to get away with things the imam advocates why should you risk it? You wouldn’t make a fuss any more than someone of our lot who listens to an extreme PC pap, thinking ‘what alot of trash’, but keeps shtum. You are fully aware the PC idiocy is not only in vogue, but it’s also enshrined in the statutes as is the imam’s interpretation of the Koran ‘a statute’ for the pious Muslims.
Where Baron totally agrees with you and John Richardson is that we’re powerless to do anything about removing those who preach hate, or act upon such preaching. The woman who loves Blahnik shoes and runs the Home Office keeps putting pressure on the judges as if it was the judges who want to keep the Abu Hamzas here. They don’t. It’s the law that does. By adopting the Uman Rights package, as an example, we are barred from sending anyone to a country that has capital punishment on the statute books. That’s insane, and it remains a puzzle to Baron why more criminals from such countries don’t rush to the UK.
stephen maybery @ 15.44
quite, that’s exactly Baron’s take on it, too. You may have missed it the last week’s thread. The best solution, the final solution, would be to cut our dependence on the black stuff, starve the peddlers of the mediaeval ideology of money, but can we? We sit on massive deposits of coal, cannot benefit from it because of the idiocy of AGW.
Not even the fact that since 1998 the rise in world temperatures has flattened and, according to the Central England Temperature Series, England has just experienced its coldest Spring since 1891. The average mean temperature of 6.87C ranks the 31st coldest on records starting in 1659, and is 2 degrees lower than the 1981-2010 average of 8.9C. In spite of this, those in charge keep peddling the same story as before.
Shale gas would be helpful, too but it’s getting the same treatment as coal. Lunacy.
In the short time, we could at least ensure those who preach harm, act upon such harmful interpretation of the Islam’s hadiths are rounded up, send down or kicked out. But can we? Nope, the hands of the politicians, other arms of the state are tied by the pseudo-liberal legislation passed by both the Tories and Labour. And the same politicians haven’t got the guts to change the law. Perhaps the rise in support of the UKIP may may be the catalysts. One has to live in hope.
Baron, I am not sure what period you are describing during which non-Muslims experienced peace under the yoke of Islam. Not any period of Christian history I am aware of.
It seems, Peter, only Baron’s awake, no postings from anyone else. Fear not though, the blue veined barbarian will shut up soon, it just happens he has few hours to kill…
An event you may like to ponder on.
it happened few days back. Baron’s on a train, sitting near one end of a coach almost full of travelers. The connecting door from the next door coach opens, a young man carrying a plastic bucket steps in and say ‘I’m collecting for the Help for Heroes’ will you consider a donation, please’. A middle age woman, two men, one appreciably younger than the other, contribute (the other’s Baron). The collector steps forward, but before he can say anything a middle age guy, well dressed, lifts his eyes from the PC he’s been working on and says loudly ‘they refused a donation from the EDL’. The collector freezes, says ‘who did?’ then, after few seconds when it sinks in, adds ‘I know nothing about it’. Nobody else says anything, the collector moves daintily beyond the PC man who interrupted, solicits again three times until he reaches the end of the coach, but gets nothing and moves to the coach next door. As the train stops people get in, but mostly out, nobody says or does anything, no debate, no nothing, a short encapsulation of the life of the English of the old ‘live and let live’ generation, or was it? .
Peter @ 16.28
Baron isn’t versed well in ancient history, knows only that the Ottoman Empire finally broke down at the end of WW1, is aware of few atrocities eg the Armenian genocide, but one can similarly point to pogroms against the Jews in Christian Russia.
What he refers to mainly is Muslims within the confines of the Western civilization. A friend of his who served as a high ranking officer in what’s now Pakistan then, after partition in in the Middle East, says ‘never any problem with Muslims, as good as anyone else from the West’.
Much fun and games at WATFORD this weekend.The Grove Hotel,Watford,Herts. is hosting the 2013 BILDERBERG conference entailing a massive police operation to shut-down the area at public expense.Herts. police have applied for Home Office support,but this would only be given if expenditure is over c.£2,000,000.//…….//Some jolly people are organizing a Biderberg FRINGE FESTIVAL which would have been in a park 2 miles away[so no problems].Watford council have refused consent.The police have `offered`to provide an area in the Grove’s grounds where people can be `kettled` under strict conditions,supervised by the notorious G4S.//……//All this for a group which it was denied existed untill recently:whose who said it did being called `loons`.You would have thought they would have had the sense not to have set up next to the M25; such as the site of the G8 meeting in N.I.//…..//Various info sites can be found google-ing *bilderberger 2013*;including from UKIP MEP Gerard Batten.
Baron, most people’s experience of the Muslim yoke has been within the dominion of Islam, and it has not been pleasant. The Armenian Genocide was not a pogrom, but the determined extermination of an entire people. But Christians had suffered since the 7th century. Muslims ALWAYS behave when they are a minority.
Are you aware that all of North Africa was Christian? Why is it not now? Likewise Arabia, Syria etc etc. Remember that it is only be the expenditure of blood that Islam has been turned back from Europe in the past. It has always been a violent and expansionist ideology.
One of the great miracles in Egyptian Christian history concerns the salvation of the Christians when the ruler had intended to exterminate them all.
Baron (3 June – 14:54)
Thanks for the link to the two recent postings by Sultan Knish ( http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/ ).
They really do highlight the irrationality of people who keep asserting that “most Muslims want peace” and who treat that assertion as proof that “there is nothing really wrong with either the Koran or Islam”.
Even the assertion that “most Muslims want peace ” reflects sloppy thinking, because “peace” has more than one meaning. Peace in the sense of Muslims and non-Muslims permanently living together as equals without conflict is one meaning. Peace in the sense of Muslims and non-Muslims permanently living together under a regime where all power and authority is entirely Islamic and the status of non-Muslims is that of inferiors is also “peace” – of a sort.
Sadly, that kind of irrationality and sloppy thinking that insists that Islam and the Koran as essentially benign are not just widespread in Britain, but are part of the mindset of most of the Establishment, including David Cameron and Tony Blair.
After today’s court case with our loveable Muslim suspects if they wish to be known by another name lets oblige them .
They can have the name they want and then we can have the name we want to call them.
I haven’t suggested the name as I have had a drink, but I am sure you can think of one.
Peter at 17.16
Peter, who knows who’s right and who’s wrong, but talking about our Muslim diaspora Baron believes that if they assent to the rule of the democratic game with all its trappings, renounce or at least ignore those bits of the Islamic verses that don’t fit our secular society, accept laws made by the will of the people, then we cannot but let them be, gently persuading them the sixth century tome may be OK to guide their personal lives, but it would never do to be a template for a societal construct in the 21st century. What we cannot do, will never do is Idi Amin, it’s unthinkable. You recall what the family of the drummer asked ‘don’t use his name to inflict violence on others’. Baron reckons that would be roughly the take of the majority of the unwashed, and a take expressed voluntarily.
You see, Baron believes the strength of the English way of life isn’t in that it’s the Englishness that attracts, even though it has its virtues and you were the first to get it, nurtured it to near perfection, only to see bits of it hacked off by the pesudo-liberal tossers, it’s in that it’s a way of life everyone who’s got any common sense must want. And contrary to what many say, Baron also believes in something he calls the ‘healthy core of Englishness’, one seldom sees it anywhere in the MSM, but it’s there OK, grinding slowly, unseen, unappreciated, converting a soul here and a soul there. The core has absorbed, englicised immigrants before, the task before it may be harder than any of the previous tasks, but if Baron’s right that the English way of life is as close to the ideal way of life as it gets and provided new massive waves of Muslim immigration don’t suffocate it, the core will do it again.
What saddens Baron he’s too bloody old and decrepit to live long enough to see who wins.
What do you mean about Idi Amin, Baron? I’m not sure that requiring recent migrants to return home and pausing all Muslim immigration would be the same as anything Amin did.
Baron (19:05)
Your hearts in the right place, your Lordship, but your head? I will refrain from my characteristic coarseness, because I know from previous posts that you are a good man; a true Brit regardless of whence you came. But you also know that the ‘the people’ in any set-up are putty – particularly those who want to get on with their lives and nurture families. Of course many immigrants profess to reject the cult of Islamt; but when push comes to shove it is the catalyst that binds them against the ‘infidel’. You know that my noble mukkah. So WTF are you talking about? If the flock wander – the Shepherds are there to muster them back in the corral with some heavy duty gear. If the believers ‘believe, then they are buggered. That applies to our our own Judeo Christian lot, too, but over the years they have adapted their beliefs to suit the peaceful needs of the flock; but they still bloody fleece ’em.
With the cult of Islam, it is different. They have lost the argument time and time again and it has pissed them off. They now have developed a new strategy. We not only have a right to despise Islam – we have a duty. If apostates want to join our club – good on ’em. I’m all for that and some notable examples have. But they mustn’t bring their odious codes with ’em.
Read this latest broadside from Clare M Lopez, who has been there, done that and got the T short with emblazoned badges. It’s another chilling report from someone who knows what she’s talking about. Did you see the previous reports from her that I posted. Free speech is now under threat on both sides of the Pond. What needs to happen to make you accept that the catalyst is evil. The flock must start to howl like wolves at the Mullahs before I shall change my mind. Seems that some in Instanbul (was Constantinople once) are doing just that. Let’s wait and see what happens to the poor bastards. Ecrasez l’infame!
Now please read Clare’s latest and shiver ….
http://lopez.pundicity.com/13383/islam-criticism-protected-free-speech.
To do Idi Amin was perhaps an unfortunate shortcut to suggest that we would force out those muslims already settled here. Stopping further immigration would of course be doable, but a wholesale repatriation? Hmmm
Btw M’Lordship; if they come for me – she’s my defence Attorney! 🙂
I’m, astonished to read that even Baron is using sloppy thinking when considering whether Islam should be removed from Britain by deporting Muslims. He says –
“What we cannot do, will never do is Idi Amin, it’s unthinkable.”
But Baron, Idi Amin did not deport people because he believed their religion was dangerous. In fact he too was a Muslim.
Idi Amin deported people because of their RACE.
Frank P at 19:40
These Lopez postings very interesting.
Scary thought indeed that this current proposal is being discussed in conservative Tennessee: I would have expected more resistance.
Frank P, my blogging friend, now you’re talking. Listen, no need to pat the poorly educated Slav on the back, not shutting him up, ignoring him will do, we’re debating, right?
OK, Baron has read the link. The name of the guy doing the running, Bill Killian, doesn’t sound Muslim, does he have another one like ‘what Muhammad Ali had’? What the link confirms is what Baron has said on many occasions, it’s us, or rather the PC, the multy culty, moral relativism brigade in charge that fuggs it up for all of us. But, it’s us who vote for them, who confer on them the license to do it.
Every group of people with a common denominator, a common belief system, a religion, or whatever it may be that binds the group together, may be compared to a pyramid segmented into three parts. On the top, one finds the opinion formers, the idea generators, the leaders, below are the facilitators, people who carry out the orders issued from the top, and below are the vast majority of the group, in a societal set-up, the unwashed.
The hoi polloi are by and large apolitical, they more often than not couldn’t care less who sits on top provided they can get along living a live that provides for a job, a family, the breeding of pigeons, the growing of carrots, a pint or whatever it is the culture favors. Even though politics isn’t what exercises them greatly, they have an uncanny ability to figure which way the wind blows, and will join in supporting any leadership that looks like the ‘winning horse’. That’s the phrase coined by the late Osama, often quoted by the great Mark Steyn.
That’s roughly, and briefly, the prism through which Baron views the conflict. The followers of Allah sense a weakness in our culture, a weakness of our own doing, and guess, hopefully wrongly, they can exploit it. This weakness wasn’t there when Britain was proud of its culture.
In life, nothing’s ideal, there ain’t an ideal pizza, a car, a societal construct. But some things are closer to the ideal than others, and Baron reckons our societal arrangement before the pseudo-liberal tinkerers arrived was closer to the ideal than a system based on a book written 1400 years ago. You recall the famous response of the British viceroy in India to the suttee tradition? Well, within a generation the tradition was gone. A similar response today would be unthinkable. And here, my blogging friend, lies the rot.
Selina
June 2nd, 2013 – 23:52John, when you say:
“My point is that what happens to ‘our society’ that really pains us, is all generated from inside that society and ‘Islamisation’ of once free countries is the consequence & not the cause of these problems.”
I say that doesn’t get Islam off the hook.
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No it does not.
You are correct and I do not disagree.
However, foreign cults do not let ‘us’ off of the hook either.
We briefly discussed Germans re-war guilt yesterday evening. Nazis & Communism both blighted the civilised West. Both destroyed 10s of millions of innocent westerners. Some regard Nazism as the most serious wound Christianity has yet had to withstand & not a burka in sight.
The secular west made spectacular efforts to drag ‘us’ into a new dark age and they are trying again.
They will use any ally they can (GM,porn,drugs,aggressive consumer credit – WM financial D, mass immig., debasment of Law, delibarate corruption of economic production via the Green Agenda, removal of freedom via PC etc etc)
If you’ve worked for the state you’ve worked with these dangerous malign people. Those who complain Christmas cards are offensive.
Next up Selina, as you will be aware, the use oif ‘mother’ and ‘father’ will be deemed offensive.
An American IRS document I saw online last week (from some LGB)outfit, all official though explained that not only was ‘husband’ and also ‘wife’ now offensive; but with regard to ongoing office campaigns,’Silence will be regarded as hostility’.
This is where we are and it’s all ‘our’ own work.
Hating Islam to peices seems neither here nor there to me. The ongoing real ‘threat’ to my freedom comes from the State. Indulging in hatred of Muslim people seems indulgent to me.
It’s a hard notion to express, but often our western dismay at what we have wrought upon ourselves seems to take refuge in hating Muslims.
Have I explained that correctly (sincerly)?
This would explain why the ‘left’ refuses to see any harm in creeping servitude (in as far as that exists) cxaused by this phenomena.
THEY are primarly guilty and cannot stand to face the results of their agenda.
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I cannot be morally responsible for the Fabians and the Common Purposers.
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It would seem from experience that we suffer from what we do not fight back against. Morally responsible?
That decision seems to have been made for us.
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And I can’t be morally responsible for that lot and then the Islamic lot.
That’s why I’m shooting my mouth off while I still can!
“This degenerate west is ripe for some kind of conquest or Fall.
Not Their fault though.”
That second sentence I cannot agree with.
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Fair enough.
I would ask would our degeneration have offured without Islam though?
Looking at the last century Islam has a lot of catching up to do to score a draw on the DESTRUCTION OF ALL THINGS GOOD-ameter.
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I can see how the door has opened, but just as I cannot be held morally responsible for hospital neglect, I cannot be held responsible for the actions of Muslims.
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I do not know you to accuse you of any responsibility.
I would ask myself though, ‘What have I yet done to arrest our decline?’
(there isn’t time to type out all my good works, but still, perhaps I could have done even more……….?)
That is why we have Muslim apostates.
They know that they are responsible for Islam if they stay Muslim and it is why they leave the religion – often risking their lives in doing so.
I think that saying it is ‘not their fault’ would disincentivise people who want to leave that religion.
You have to be morally responsible if you read that book as an adult and then say ‘I want to be a Muslim’.
To suggest otherwise is to condescend to them. They are capable of morality.
The same goes for white converts. They read the book, they convert – they know what they’re getting into.
I cannot hanker for a little sharia in the legal system.
This is what I do not understand.
I can see the legal system has changed and not always for the better, but it purports to be fair and equal,……….
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I will discuss apostates at a different juncture if that’s OK as I regard that as a faith issue…..even though you make good points, again, to me different issues could get blurred here….
As for ‘fair and equal’ not any more.
Hate Crimes officially ended any pretense of equality before the law.
Worked with a senior copper who resigned over such an issue. A good bloke.
Family Courts?
There is more than one turd in our law & justice punch bowl and again…..well you know who I don’t blame.
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……………….yet we have legal radicals saying sharia should be allowed privileges that extend above the rest of us.
What do I want? I want our borders controlled. I want Islam subjected to the same scrutiny and criticism as every other religion and I don’t want its followers being privileged over the rest of us by having one law for them and one for us.
If Muslim apostates in Egypt can go through what they go through to say no to Islam, I – and everbody else – shouldn’t find it too difficult to hold Islam morally responsible and say: ‘No, no, no!’
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Personally, I would want the energy dissipated in hatred of people who have not destruyed the west instead used against our real enemies.
The way things are developing, if every single muslim on Earth trully renounced political violence tomorrow; I’d still end up in jail for refusing to pay the fine when I get arrested for ‘obstruction and assaulting a Police Officer’ at my local RC Church when it refuses entry to blashpemous rites.
Then I’d lose….oh, loads of bad stuff will then come down.
What say you/
ps if The agenda didn’t have a muslim boggey man to rob our freedoms and suchlike then they would invent one the was The System invented a ‘rise of the far right BNP are on the march’ spectre a few years back to keep the thick as **** labour voters happy.
Sorry,
Didn’t say ‘Hello again’.
Herbert Thornton @ 20.08
Herbert, sir, the reason ain’t what matters here, the action itself is. Baron cannot imagine the country would endorse repatriating a group of people whether for race, religious or any other reason. That, my blogging friend, is as unEnglish as it gets, absorbing the imports, turning them into Eton educated blonds not unlike Boris, that’s the way the English do it.
and this
sorry for the grammatical mistakes in Baron’s rants, like ‘live’ instea dof ‘life’ and stuff, Baron will do better, check before posting…
John, I agree with you generally and have already said that the issue in the UK is essentially the Marxists. If every Muslim left the UK we would still be in trouble. That doesn’t mean we don’t need to urgently deal with the threat of Islam.
Redneck at 20.42:Conservatives intend to turn-out in Tennessee tomorrow.See *Atlas Shrugs*.
Off the track, but have a read of ‘The revenge of Baroness Williams’ on Boot’s blog, pretty good finishing with ‘Old Shirley has done to the country what those ‘senior figures’ tried to do to her’.
“Islam is no more a “religion of peace” than “Jack the Ripper” is just another neighbor” – http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/06/is-this-a-religion/
School outings for Jack the Ripper:
http://englishdefenceleague.org/edl-news-2/1933-sentencing-of-the-dewsbury-terrorists
Baron (3 June – 20:08)
You say that you “cannot imagine the country would endorse repatriating a group of people whether for race, religious or any other reason.”
Then, my dear chap, you have a lack of imagination. I grant you that there is no precedent for Britain doing it, but nor was there any precedent for Britain killing a great many civilians en masse which is what it did when it bombed Dresden. Does not merely paying a group of people (whose religion is fundamentally hostile to us) to leave Britain pale in comparison?
There is certainly a European precedent for expelling Islam as when Spain expelled the Moors.
I don’t see why you try to drag Boris into it: especially when Boris is reported to have just said that the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby by people shouting “Allahu Akbar” had no connection with Islam. Nor do I see why you also imply that being Eton-educated necessarily makes a man patriotic when the fact is that the traitor Guy Burgess was educated at Eton.
Another “task force to ask serious questions”! David Cameron seems to be coming around to adopting Tommy Robinson’s counter-jihad programme for Britain, even though the Prime Minister thought it appropriate to go out of his way in the House of Commons to single out the EDL for denunciation as among those “who try to demonize islam and stoke up anti-muslim hatred by bringing disorder and violence to our towns and cities” – the old ‘on the one hand but on the other elephant and canary pie rehetoric’. Mr. Cameron and his Coalition have at least however picked up from president Obama the fad for “leading from behind” and perhaps even if almost overcome with arrière-pensées he and his crew will be dragged into actually doing something about the problem which will not involve the further islamicisation opf English culture…and not merely asking those “serious questions” which the rest of us have been shouting for quite some time in his government’s waxed up ears!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10097006/David-Cameron-We-will-drain-the-swamp-which-allows-Muslim-extremists-to-flourish.html
Malfleur at 02.37 : That would be the `Tackling War Against Terror Suspects` task-force ; (think about it). [Ackn. to UlyssesReturns at Specie.]
Because people are not allowed to comment on the Telegraph these days, they go to to other stories. I found this reference to David Cameron on a story in the Business section:
kevinc
Today 01:12 AM
In a piece which does not allow comment, Cameron says that he will drain the swamp where Islamic exremists thrive
I wonder if he is familiar with the expression;
“Unfortunately we are unable to drain the swamp as we are up to our arse in crocodiles”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10096836/New-Coaltion-social-mobility-tzar-James-Caan-tells-parents-Let-your-child-try-and-fail-before-trying-to-help.html
It is my 50th birthday today. I don’t say that to ask for congratulations. Most of you don’t know me as I am, and I haven’t done much beyond staying alive until now to deserve congratulations. But I guess each of the birthdays ending in zero seem pretty important. When I turned 40 I felt that I had finally become an adult in some sense. Now, at 50, I feel that I must do those things I have spoken about doing rather than just keep talking about them. It’s sort of now or never.
We’ve got taxpayer money going to Prevent and Tell Mama and ‘James Caan’s’ role seems to be similar.
Muslim? Give them taxpayer money.
Is there any Muslim in Britain not sucking on the taxpayer’s teat?
cardinalpugwash
Yesterday 10:16 PM
The government has a “social mobility tzar”?
A social. mobility. tzar.
Pass me a bucket someone, I need to vomit.
Congratulations, Peter.
I think people underestimate the mere fact of keeping going.
You have children and family and I have no doubt there is a story of huge self-sacrifice to keep that going.
I often wonder why I, and people like me, do not choose the hedonistic route and just fold.
And I don’t know what it is, but I do think, for me, at least, it’s that I sense the hate of the Establishment for ordinary people like me: the Blairs, Madelsons, Camerons, Cleggs, Murdochs, Dimblebys etc, etc and I think these people don’t dilute their hatred for me, so why should I dilute my hatred for them by becoming inebriate or addicted to something smelly.
Why should I dilute myself to let streaks of piss like that walk all over me?
And occasionally, just occasionally – like when they close down the Telegraph chatboards – I think ‘Good. At least some of it is getting to them.’
Small victories, but I take them when I can.
Onwards and upwards – have a very happy day!
Some more choice comments quoted from Telegraph readers to ‘James Caan’:
paitonboy
Yesterday 10:16 PM
I firmly believe in the “stand on your own two feet” concept. However, its difficult to do that when you’ve been chopped off at the knees by the policy of mass immigration that has been in full flow for the past 15 years. Parents would need hearts of stone to stand back as their children suffer through months and years of joblessness while watching immigrant hordes flood in and take the work at far less than money than indigenous Brits would need to survive.
The Government screwed us and its advice is not wanted. It had no right in the first place to import the mass of immigrants that arrived without any mandate from the British people. Having done so, however, and having decimated the labour market in the process, anyone purporting to speak for Government should shut the hell up. We parents need no more meddling or advice when it comes to overcoming the consequences of woeful Government policies. We”ll do whatever is necessary for our children. Sod off, Caan
Chris Holbech
Yesterday 08:35 PM
What on Earth is a “Social mobility Tzar”?
Dalek_1963
Yesterday 09:20 PM
“What on Earth is a “Social mobility Tzar”?”
A way of directing tax payers money to an asian bloke apparently.
chrisc
Yesterday 09:16 PM
It’s a made up job, with a foreign sounding name.
Perfect for the new Britain.
Radford NG
I like it. T.W.A.T. teams led by a selected Cabinet member will make early morning raids on the country’s bedrooms, etc., etc. dressed in the now indispensable BDSM uniforms looking for answers to their serious questions and trampling on our liberties inhttp://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110721155016/deadliestwarrior/images/8/80/Swat.jpg the process: .
First things first: many happy returns, Peter. At 50, you’re just a baby, you should have all the time to do whatever it is you’re planning. If only Baron could be of that age, he might even avoid few things he’s done since.
and for Herbert @23.03.
Baron got Boris into it because he, Boris, has Turkish roots, he’s a descendant of Ali Kemal Bey, you know, a Muslim like. Isn’t it surprising that a Muslim despite apostasy and stuff turns into a Tory Light politico? Also, he, again Boris, went to Eton, hence Baron’s lighthearted attempt to conjure up in the readers mind the connection between the Bullingdon club, of which the said Boris was a prominent member, and the Koran, the former requiring the young toffs to get drunk like skunks, the latter saying ‘don’t you touch the evil stuff’. Obviously, the blue veined barbarian has failed, come on my blogging friend, lighten up abit, nobody except us reads the stuff, and nobody would certainly act upon what we say. It;s a debating amongst friends.
John Richardson @ 20.48
Good piece, excellent piece, John, sorry it took Baron so long, he had to re-check what was you, what Selina, and Baron hasn’t got much time to spare, had to leave it till today. (Selina also makes excellent points you didn’t cover in your response, you most likely endorse them).
Baronthinks you’re so spot on with “the ongoing real ‘threat’ to my freedom comes from the State. Indulging in hatred of Muslim people seems indulgent to me”. It’s almost the old trick of divide and rule. We, the hoi polloi of either creed, keep bickering , kicking each other whilst the ruling elite keeps restricting, hacking off our freedoms. This in no way diminishes any threat emanating from the Muslim creed, the target though should be the imams who preach hatred, the nabobs in Saudi Arabia, the Emirates…
HB PfM
(Is that text-speak?)
PfM
regarding the years, I worked on the basis that, up to 40, I was immature, after 40, I was eccentric. Needed little effort and seemed to work OK. My kids seem to accept the eccentric persona more as each year passed and, frankly, I haven’t had to make any changes to my activities.
As I reach 60 very shortly, I seem to be heading back to the immature phase (according to the ever-tolerant ‘other half’).
Perhaps its the sun down here.
The now retired Canterbury mufti and few pals of his are apparently going to enlighten us on how sharia can be incorporated into British law. Who was it who said one cannot square a circle?
http://melaniephillips.com/rowan-williams-and-islamophilia-a-very-metropolitan-malady
I shall be meeting the new man in Canterbury in a couple of weeks.
Baron 4th, – 10:03
“Boris, has Turkish roots, he’s a descendant of Ali Kemal Bey, you know, a Muslim like. Isn’t it surprising that a Muslim despite apostasy…”
There is no such thing. He must be brought before an Imam and have the word of the prophet explained to hm. If, after that, he still refuses to accept i$lam he must then be beheaded.
hi
been away
saw this on the papers in a shop,and read online
seems yhe current bun is on our side a bit.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4953956/Anjem-Choudary-Lee-Rigby-will-burn-in-hellfire.html
Ostrich (occasionally) @ 16.19
Have you told Boris?
Also, for those who may misbehave, the answer is already here.
http://www.youtube.com/v/AHrZgS-Gvi4
and lastly
Baron has omitted to mention Oxford in both of his postings involving Boris. How did it happen only He knows, but happen it did, and mistakes like that occur more often now than in the past. Baron thinks he typed things in, but he hasn’t. Baron sees a wallet, a mobile phone, his life saving spray on the table before he goes shopping, thinks he should pocket the lot, an hour or so later he arrives at Tescos, cannot find a wallet, swears to his wife he put the wallet into his pocket, panics believing he has lost it, thinks of calling the credit card cos, …… arrives home in haste only to find the bloody wallet on the table.
A warning to you all, avoid aging, it ain’t a good thing.
Cressida Dick seems to have a rather different idea of what is hate crime when it comes from the mouth of a Muslim or a EDL MEMBER.
Another Muslim gang of 5 perverts with young white girls in London .
Here we go again.
There was nothing racist about this crime say police.
NOTE. They haven’t said this yet , but we can expect them to.
John birch June 4th, 2013 – 18:42
“Here we go again”
Hello John; here we go again is quite apt; the last time that I searched Google on the subject (Muslim groups raping white girls) I think that there were then sixty six such cases.
When you consider that the average gang has six to nine members that are brought to trial and that there would be many more who were allowed (by the gang) to pleasure themselves but are not brought to trial, lets say two to three dozen other men that would give a probable total of 8+30×66 = 2,508 or more child molesters and rapists each and every one of them followers of Islam, dirty bastards.
“Gitmo Offers ‘Resume Writing’ Class for Terrorists”
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gitmo-offers-resume-writing-class-terrorists
By the sound of it, Al O’B has obviously made some improvements.
With all that Cuban sunshine, why it must be better than Butlins!
I have been thinking about Baroness Ashton and her salary and role and I am sure that what secured it was Peter Kellner.
People simply don’t understand that polling organisations have. And especially that one.
They can create ‘mood music’ in all sort of ways just by asking the the right questions and knowing that newspaper editors will fill blank pages by rehasing YouGov press releases.
The latest little trick, to show you how subtle it all is, is that YouGov conuducted research (already sounds independent) that shows UKIP supporters are more likely than other people to have been suspicious about MMR.
Subtext: they’re weirdos who disbelieve authority when there’s no reason to.
And MMR had been proven safe – UKIP supporters are hysterical people who get it wrong.
Yet our hospitals are cavalier with human life. Drug companies have a reputation for exploiting patients. So why should people always take them at face value?
I’ll be the Labour Party loved all that little piece of mood music.
That’s why they made sure that woman got that job.
Market researchers are as cunning as foxes for delivering the ‘answer’ clients want on stuff like politics.
I thought that was the limit of the smear but look what happens when you release something like that, this person extends the smear into global warming:
https://twitter.com/MarkReckons/status/325959537804857345
“Clinton Bush Obama all embraced Islamic terrorist supporters as outreach partners. Well who’da thunk it? Devastating.”
Melanie Phillips (@MelanieLatest)
Article:
BLIND TO TERROR: THE U.S. GOVERNMENT’S DISASTROUS MUSLIM OUTREACH EFFORTS AND THE IMPACT ON U.S. MIDDLE EAST POLICY
http://www.gloria-center.org/2013/06/the-u-s-governments-disastrous-muslim-outreach-efforts-and-the-impact-on-u-s-middle-east-policy-blind-to-terror1/
Yes, EC, this rationale is copied from the UK (which keeps repeating no matter how much it is proven to be futile).
It is decades old.
It goes like this: it’s better to have them relieve themselves inside the tent than outside, where we can’t see them.
And what a disaster it has been.
The taxpayer money just vanishes into a black hole and could well pass through many hands to terrorist interests abroad or to domestic Muslims.
Terror works.
It clearly unleashes honeypots of taxpayer funding for Muslims so they can entrench themselves even more than they already have.
The famlies collect taxpayer money on a banquet of benefits.
The ‘community leaders’ collect taxpayer money on ‘anti-terror’ and ‘community’ state handouts.
And the ‘assimilated’ ones who like to tell you how self-made they are get jobs as taxpayer funded social mobility tsars.
The streets are paved with gold for Muslims.
To those who say we need mass immigration, how much of the deficit would go down if we sliced all that largesse off the bill?
Plus all the healthcare, schooling and so on?
Just how much Muslim rape paedophilia has happened in the UK?
On the basis that paedophilia cases are notoriously difficult to prosecute, what we are seeing is the tip of the iceberg.
And the sentences are so pitifully lenient.
They won’t be attacked in prison because they are Muslim.
Milly Dowler’s killer Levi Bellfield became a Muslim in prison because Islam forgives all, if you convert to Islam (good recruiting weapon).
By the way, they are having to prosecute on the basis of trafficking because rape charges are so hard to prove.
It’s paedophile rape to infinity and the police spend all their time on Twitter patrol seeing if anyone has upset Muslim ‘sensitivities’.
Selina, This beggars belief, also happened in the UK first!
USA: Report shows lavish spending at IRS conference
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/04/breaking-report-shows-lavish-spending-at-irs-conference/comment-page-8/
USA: EPA accused of singling out conservative groups, amid IRS scandal.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/04/epa-accused-singling-out-conservative-groups-amid-irs-scandal/
Absolutely nothing to do with “gay” marriage, reportedly.
“The ring that gets hotter and hotter every hour the day before your anniversary”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2335120/A-red-hot-reminder-The-remember-ring-gets-hotter-hour-anniversary.html
Fans of Fox News will be glad to learn that that an interview with Tommy Robinson by Bill O’Reilly will be broadcast on Thursday. ” “The O’Reilly Factor” airs at 8pm EDT and is rebroadcast at 11pm EDT.” (Gates of Vienna)
As the Prime Minister’s proposals on how to deal with jihadism are now close to those of Mr. Robinson, this is a show which even the respectable gatherers at this Wall can watch with an easy heart.
Malfleur at 21:26
Thank you for warning: I shall record it, the more I hear this man speaks, the more eloquent he becomes.
I just hope Bill lets him speak freely…
David O, John Birch & Selina
One of the saddest and most frustrating aspects of my fellow Britons’ behaviour over the last few years has been our unwillingness to react viciously in response to the systemised, paedophile rape of our your girls.
A Society that fails to protect its innocents will not be around long and one could posit, does not deserve the right to be so.
I just cannot get over the spectacular timing of Rowan Williams’ book on sharia law.
What he decided five years ago was that all this was inevitable.
And that he would help rehearse and strenghten the intellectual arguments to enshrine sharia law by bringing his little band of crony authors together.
And they all went off to hone and polish how to shove the thin end of the wedge in further.
And because Britan’s legal system is copied in many other places, whatever Williams gets enshrined here will spread.
And so how would history see him? As Saint Rowan. The man who fused two cultures together.
Where are we now five years after his infamous speech with his book of esays by the Not So Great and Dubiously Good?
Well, the edifice that has done most to engineer all this, the EU is tottering about and only held together because Goldman Sachs has placemen holding it together lest that bank loses its shirt on shoddy currency bets.
London now has summary sharia law carried out on its streets.
And most tellingly of all, the streets across Turkey are ablaze as people get sick to death of the sharia being rammed down their throats, including the passing legislation that placed extra restrictions on the sale and consumption of alcohol.
And into the middle of this self-explaining farce – for those with the sense to see – walks this biggest idiot of all the characters: St Rowan with his wretched book.
At the height of it all, the Frank Spencer character walks in and offers a solution that is the square root of chaos.
Five years in the planning and it arrives now.
What an imbecile.
I wonder if he’ll get a slot on News At Ten in between a beaheading and a story about Turkish street protests?
I think we can all trust Al-Beebzera to spare his blushes.
No jokes anymore.
There is nothing to my mind that makes this man foolish.
Like the convert to Islam, he read the books and knew exactly what lay down the path once he set out his stall to get the sharia enshrined.
Rowan Williams is a wicked, evil man.
It’s a bit dated, but worth a re-run:
After Kipling:
Written by Patrick Campbell
They flew me ‘ome from Baghdad with a bullet in me chest.
Cos they’ve closed the army ‘ospitals, I’m in the NHS.
The nurse, she ain’t no Britisher an’ so she ain’t impressed.
It’s like I’m some street corner thug who’s come off second best.
Yes, it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “You’re not welcome ‘ere”.
But when Saddam was collar’d, they was quick enough to cheer.
They’re proud when Tommy Atkins ‘olds the thin red line out there,
But now he’s wounded back at ‘ome, he has to wait for care.
Some stranger in the next bed sez, “Don’t you feel no shame?
You kill my Muslim brothers!” So it’s me not ‘im to blame!
An’ then the cleaner ups an’ sez “Who are you fightin’ for?
It ain’t for Queen and country ‘cos it’s Bush’s bloody war!”
It’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, what’s that smell?”
But it’s “God go with you, Tommy,” when they fly us out to ‘ell.
O then we’re just like ‘eroes from the army’s glorious past.
Yes, it’s “God go with you, Tommy,” when the trip might be your last.
They pays us skivvy wages, never mind we’re sitting ducks,
When clerks what’s pushing pens at ‘ome don’t know their flippin’ luck.
“Ah, yes” sez they “but think of all the travel to be ‘ad.”
Pull the other one. Does Cooks do ‘olidays in Baghdad?
It’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, know your place,”
But it’s “Tommy, take the front seat,” when there’s terrorists to chase
.
An’ the town is full of maniacs who’d like you dead toot sweet.
Yes, it’s “Thank you, Mr Atkins,” when they find you in the street.
There’s s’pposed to be a covynant to treat us fair an’ square
But I ‘ad to buy me army boots, an’ me combats is threadbare.
An’ ‘alf the bloody ‘elicopters can’t get in the air,
An’ me pistol jammed when snipers fired. That’s why I’m laid up ‘ere.
Yes, it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, “We ‘ave to watch the pence”;
Bold as brass the P.M. sez, “We spare them no expense.
“But I’ll tell you when they do us proud an’ pull out all the stops,
It’s when Tommy lands at Lyneham in a bloomin’ wooden box!
Redneck 4th, – 22:36
“our unwillingness to react viciously in response to the systemised, paedophile rape of our your girls.”
Yeah, and when you try to get directly involved suddenly you’re dragging her away from someone who “loves her”, you’re the one committing the assault, and someone starts asking, “Why did you get involved anyway? Do you have some particular interest here?” And suddenly YOU’RE the paedophile, on the receiving end of all the shit. And no amount of acquittals, or the CPS saying that they’re not proceeding with the case but are “leaving it on file” will ever wash that stink away.
And you want me to join in a “vicious reaction”? Ferget it!
EC 4th, – 21:09
Absolutely nothing to do with “gay” marriage, reportedly.
“The ring that gets hotter and hotter every hour the day before your anniversary”
🙂
Selina – thank you for all your posts here which add to the daily imperative to reading the Coffeehousewall.
Did you know that Rowan Williams was once regarded by the Security Services as being so dangerously Left-wing that they kept an eye on him for years apparently?
Mind you, his outward comedy druidic appearance but preening self-regarding manner of speaking reminds me of something Cicero said to a similarly self-conscious ascetic, “I can see your vanity through the tear in your cloak.” (Was it Mr Boot who recently reminded us of Cicero’s words about the enemy at the gate and the enemy within?)
Clare M Lopez again:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3743/war-on-terror-over
Unmissable.
Be sure to read all her highlighted links.
Btw – we are not alone! A fascinating essay from Sweden (apologies if anyone has linked it already, I’ve been distracted and not kept up with the craic):
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/06/we-changed-our-lives/
Following the suggestion gleaned from translations of the Arabic that the men who killed the Americans at Benghazi might have been “sent by Morsi”, and today when we learn from the Washington Times that Ambassador Stevens was probably murdered by lethal injection as a kidnap attempt was bungled, the Washington Post carries a report that “an Egyptian court on Tuesday sentenced 43 non-profit workers, including the son of the U.S. secretary of transportation and 15 other Americans, to prison in a case against foreign-funded pro-democracy groups”.
Morsi, who is of course a member of the Muslim Brotherhood which dedicated in principle to the death of each of you reading this post, has two sons in the United States who hold American passports.
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid…
Ostrich (occasionally)
June 4th, 2013 – 23:35
Well worth a re-run.
Al-Beebzera
🙂
O(o) @ 9:05
Isn’t the indefatigable Jeremiah Bowen their chief
apologistspokesmaner, um… editor?Absolutely nothing to do with “Tulisa” drugs rap….
But the “Top Gear team must currently be in Marbella, Spain. More specifically, Puerto Banús. Clarkson was Tweeting updates on the antics of May and Hammond in their supercars. He was, typically, endearing himself to the locals by referring to their bijou comune as …….. well no prizes for guessing that one!
“The Doctor said WHAT?”
I’m not always overfond of BC but I still find this very funny,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVE38incDQM
Many a true word…
My GP is quite capable of being this candid – when you get to know him.
Coming to a city near you soon
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2636/saudi_cleric_who_raped_and_killed_daughter_receives_small_fine
EDL graffiti at fire damaged mosque sounds a bit like a set up to me.
Re John Birch at 15.40//If you go to *BBC News London* for this report,you will also find a link to EMMA WEST. She has pleaded guilty to some pc. gobble-dee-gook which will bring a fine instead of a prison sentence.This sounds like American style plea bargaining to me.But she has at least worn the CPS. down in a case the Judge said was “spiraling out of control”.
Capital punishment: Sorry, Frank P, but even on what they’ve already admitted to, the electric chair would be too good for this pair:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/daniel-pelka-boy-hungry-after-1932178
How could this happen? Didn’t the teachers report their concerns. Where were the fucking social workers when they were really needed?
EC
As you say, hanging would be the lesser punishment available. I’m against CP, not appropriate punishment for heinous crime. Open to suggestions for this one.
John Birch (15.40)
See my comment over on Peter’s survey thread (posted it there inadvertently).
Teresa Villiers has just pre-judged the incident, with a ludicrous pronouncement
… disgraceful assumptions with no proof whatsoever. Indicates the way these idiots approach investigation.
Either the BBC and/or the police are confusing religion and race yet again.
Why would some one intent on torching a building go to the trouble of daubing “EDL” on it?
Could be a sectarian feud within the religion of “peace”. The buggers have been murdering each other for centuries.
Xinhuanet has all sorts of interesting photos, but this one made me scratch my head. Is this picture (indeed are all four pictures) under the caption “Child labor widespread in Gaza Strip” an example of Chinese humour or sarcasm or both?
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2013-06/05/c_132430888_4.htm
Headline in the Daily Telegraph:
” Muslims threaten to target Jaipur Literature Festival over Sir Salman Rushdie ”
Isn’t it time that the Prime Minister called the muslims out for what they are; “swivel-eyed loons and fruitcakes who try to demonize the West and stoke up anti-western hatred by bringing disorder and violence to our towns and cities”?
Did the UAF set fire to the mosque?
http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/did-the-uaf-set-fire-to-london-mosque/
“Global Warming theory has failed all tests, so alarmists return to the ‘97% consensus’ hoax”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/05/global-warming-theory-has-failed-all-tests-so-alarmists-return-to-the-97-consensus-hoax/
A great essay enumerating 25 points where global warming theory has failed.
Peter, I commend your post on the events in Muswell Hill.
You have raised some points I did not know, but, having read them, am not surprised to learn them.
I have never visited the EDL’s website but I am not surprised in the least that it renounces violence.
From a propaganda point of view – and we know how important the taqyya of victimhood is – the past fortnight has been a disaster for the useful idiots and the jihad.
After Woolwich, first up was the attack on the war memorials.
Big Media swung into action to get the ‘Muslims as victims’ narrative back on track.
Big Media suggested with glee that the war memorials were vandalised by the ‘far right’ to stir up trouble.
But then footage of the war memorials suspect emerged and the media dropped all interest in it.
It went from the top of mainstream news webpages to down below – and then it was gone in a few hours.
TV News seemed to lose all interest entirely.
Here’s the war memorials suspect:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2333229/Caught-camera-Vandal-desecrated-Bomber-Command-War-Memorial-graffiti-murder-Lee-Rigby.html
Then, after that disaster, Tell Mama, an organisation that knows how to run a PR campaign, had its bite of the cherry.
And Andrew Gilligan in the Sunday Telegraph then exposed that taqyya for what is was.
It has now been at least a week-and-a-half in which the ‘Muslims as victims narrative’ has been exposed for the bare-faced lie that it is.
And then we get to today!
A crumbling Islamic ‘cultural centre’ (that phrasing is highly important) is burnt down and the prime suspect is not an insurance payout job, but the EDL!
Because there was ‘EDL’ in spray paint on the burning Islamic cultural centre.
Fancy!
The building was not a mosque, but it was used to pray in.
Well, well. So it was a de facto mosque.
Was it not given planning permission to be a mosque and so got round any such planning objections by portraying itself as a ‘cultural centre’?
And having been built, did it just act as a de facto mosque anyway?
Until today, I didn’t even know firebombing stunts had been tried in Luton and that all the false flag graffiti suspects there were, wait for it, Muslims!
I have seen the EDL on TV and they seem to be people who know what life is like on the rough end of life.
They will know that anybody who went to prison for an attack on a mosque – or Islamic cultural centre – would face the jackboot of the authorities on their neck and the unofficial jackboot of Muslim inmates in prison dispensing their own revenge.
Look at what happened to one of the suspects in the Stephen Lawrence retrial:
‘[David] Norris has already been beaten within an inch of his life by jail gang The Muslim Boys while on remand in London’s tough Belmarsh nick.’
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/228535
He was beaten black and blue by a gang called The Muslim Boys while on remand (which is supposed to be safer than being a convicted prisoner).
He was beaten so badly he had to wear a hearing aid.
And someone wants to put themselves forward for that?
And write ‘EDL’ on the Islamic ‘cultural centre’ to draw attention to themselves?
And look where the Islamic ‘cultural centre’ is!
In Muswell Hill, beating heart of gliberal opinion.
Now there’s an audience ripe for the ‘Muslims as victims’ narrative.
If you wanted to play to the gallery, boy, that’s your venue if you want sympathy for Muslims.
I wonder if, as it gets rebuilt, anyone will put ‘mosque’ on the planning permission?
A council so full of bien pensants might be a little more receptive to that now after the fire. After all, how would it look to turn down a request like that in the media now?
Muslims are victims, after all.
So, let’s summarise:
a) A taqyya propaganda war that’s fallen to pieces over the last week and a half and desperately needs re-energising
b) A war memorial story in which Big Media smeared the EDL and the ‘far right’ has gone all quiet
c) Tell Mama’s fantasy ‘hate’ crimes exposed
d) Previous fire bombings in Luton with ‘EDL’ graffiti where all the suspects turned out to be Muslim (and Big Media forgot to tell the world)
e) An Islamic ‘cultural centre’ in disrepair that would benefit from an insurance payout
f) In an area where local media would lap up the broader Muslims as victims narrative
g) The double whammy punishment awaiting any non-Muslim perpatrator being the severest punishment the state could mete out, followed by never-ending attacks in prison likes those experienced by that Stephen Lawrence suspect.
If I were a taqyya-monger (and there’s no shortage of them), I’d want the ‘Muslims as victims’ narrative back on track as soon as possible after the past fortnight.
Now, how might that be done?
The other thing that has to be considered is the role of MI5, whose primary job is not to protect the public, but to protect the elites.
Their first job is always to silence the people shouting ‘fire’ in the burning cinema metaphor.
MI5’s job is to get the elites out of the cinema first and then let everyone else trample all over each other or get burnt to a crisp.
That’s their textbook.
Did they do this as a false flag operation?
What a great way to get an excuse go round EDLs supporters’ doors and put the frighteners on people.
Tell them to be quiet.
That sort of thing.
Their loyalties will lie with big business and LibLabCon, who won’t have been enjoying the unravelling of the ‘Muslims as victims’ narrative one bit.
They’ve all got form.
EC (20:29)
Tks for the Watts Up link. I had missed it. A relentless debunker of criminal bullshit, Watts should be awarded the CMH for his work. Those who have perpetrated one of the greatest scams on my lifetime – and continue to do so -kshould be lined up and shot for subverting Western Civilisation.
Now Obama has really gone and done it! Susan Rice has been appointed National Security Advisor. The ultimate numero uno to the detractors of the Left. “Fuck You Whiteys! Benghazi?? Ain’t that Cockney Rhyming Slang for the john?
My friend Dave Cameron told me that, when Anita Dunn and I took him out to dinner. Mind you, he didn’t know what Magna Carts meant -I got him there. Yo! Cameron… Suzy’s acoming over to meet your SS. Time to return the favour’ Dave?”-
Selina (22:15)
Naughty, naughty! But spot on, of course. Watch your arse, though – unless it’s too big to fit in a self-zipping hold all. 🙂
EC “Where were the fucking social workers when they were really needed?”
Where they always are, nowhere near where they’re needed. The Gramsci shock troops are more concerned with scaring decent, caring white folks into line than worrying about kids. They will consider the descent into a living hell and subsequent debased death of these innocents as just collateral damage on their steady march to an ‘enlightened, multi-culti’ society ruled by the liberal elite.
Social Worker has to be the ultimate oxymoron, for these anti-social fuckers that simply suckle at the public purse teat for no useful return to society.
U.S. Attorney in Tennessee says trashing Muslims on social media may be violating civil rights;a Federal offence.Gets a hot reception from Pamela Geller and 600 others.[Atlas Shrugs.]//…….//And Tommy Robinson is invited on Newsnight and on Daybreak:then both cancel;for legal reasons.
EC and Clear Memories – absolutely bang on.
When social workers want a child, they will always get them – no matter who the parents are – or even whether they’re good parents.
Isn’t that interesting.
Is it really child welfare they’re interested in?
Or is it the child?
Why do they want that child?
Here is a range of the parents they target:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027272/South-Gloucestershire-social-workers-hand-child-falsely-claim-abused.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-511609/How-social-services-paid-bonuses-snatch-babies-adoption.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2121886/The-experts-break-families-The-terrifying-story-prospective-MP-branded-unfit-mother-experts-whod-met–nightmare-shared-families.html
So what is going on?
Well, certain types of social worker seem to act like some sort of ‘mail order service’ for a clientele higher up the chain.
They’ve got connected through mutual interests. See?
Children are ‘ordered’ and then end up in care homes and ‘loaned’ out to ‘events’, such as those that occured in this place:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2272253/Timebomb-Elm-Guest-House-Pop-stars-bishop-politician-appear-list-seized-police-investigating-child-abuse-London-hotel-1980s.html
And then, years later, when our old friends MI5 have helped hush the business up, you get to hear first-hand accounts of what goes on at ‘events’ like that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46tbRUtBT0g
“Social worker has to be the ultimate oxymoron”
Heh, heh, heh! You may be right, but no doubt there will be some contenders offered by the Wallsters here; tell you what, submit entries with a fiver for Peter’s blog upkeep and the winner (including your entry) can have ten per cent of the ante. I’ll be the judge which will disqualify me from entering and I’m sure Peter can be trusted to declare a true bill. My subscription is due about now, anyway. £30 on way Peter.
Just a suggestion – can you cope with the tsunami of funds and organise the list of contenders, Peter?
Bit like a poetry contest? BTW it will be checked for authenticity – no googling!
If you like the above;you might like http://www.barenakedislam.com
The link in my 5 June 17:43 post seems to have stopped working. But I’ve just Googled “Xinhua child labor” & that took me straight to the picture.
Selina
“They’ve got connected through mutual interests.”
Surely you’re not suggesting the have a common purpose?
Interesting, if self-evident, piece from Nick Cohen
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8927001/how-social-media-helps-authoritarians/
I’ve added a new post here…
http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/do-we-really-know-who-is-behind-the-uaf/
Excuse me, but does anyone know why the New English Review/Iconoclast website is down (since yesterday)? Thank you.
It seems Muslims are living in fear and need more protection (as usual , they are the victims after they killed one of us)
I would suggest they would feel a lot happier if they were surrounded by sand.
And I don’t fxxxxxg Southend .
Sorry , left a word out .
I’m sure you know what I mean though.
I have found another site that is worth a visit:
http://john-moloney.blogspot.co.uk/
Millitwat is going to take great care of our money it seems, no more wasting it like Gordon .
When you stop laughing , just think of the laughing policeman as he listens to that load of bullshit,
Ho ho ho ho ho ho ho, hah hah hah hah hah hah hah, look up there’s the labour party’s pig arrows doing a fly past.
The front one looks like Gordon , and as they fly past he’s smiling at us.
Jesus Christ , I hope it’s a nightmare and not reality.
You wouldn’t read about it…..previously.Here are some of the attendees at BILDERBERGER 2013[from their web site].//……//Osbourne,Clarke,Balls,Mandelson,Shirley Williams,Kissinger,Christine Lagard[IMF],Gen.Petraeus[CIA]………AND the headmen of Google,Goldman Sachs,B.P.,HSBC and Amazon.//……..//More rationally,David Icke will be at the Fringe Festival.
Imda at 12.00 :NEW ENGLISH REVIEW went down after being subject to a cyber-attack.See *Gates of Vienna*.
In the Nick Cohen piece that I linked earlier @09:12 glibly states
I have always been wary about those who liken democracies to dictatorships. People who shout about ‘ZanuLabour’ or the ‘EUSSR’ sound like spoilt children who have lived over-sheltered lives
I wonder if he’d like to like to debate that with Judge Andrew Napolitano who announced this morning: “Thursday morning we learned that the Republic has been lost. It is now a dictatorship.”
Judge Nap’ is referring to the most egregious violation to date of the US Constitution’s 4th Amendment by the Al Obama mob:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/06/06/why-is-our-government-spying-on-half-america/
There’s cause for concern over Obama’s latest appointment – Samantha Power as UN Ambassador
http://www.melaniephillips.com/a-perfect-match
The Spectator has flopped on to our front door map, delivered by the trusty Post-Man every Friday morning for far more years than I can remember. I have always looked forward to receiving my copy and on the very rare occasion that it is late or where a double issue means that there will be a two week laps then I have been bereft.
But not any more; of late I find that I am as much as two weeks behind with my reading, I still have not finished with the copy from a week prior to last Friday’s copy and tomorrow the new issue will arrive, it is getting in the way of reading books, though I still manage to read the daily paper, added to this is a feeling of guilt, that I have because when I have finished with my copy I hand it on to the couple next door, (both avid socialists, by drip feeding them the Spectator I hope to cure them) I have this irrational feeling that they should not be kept waiting.
Any advice will be appreciated.
Selina.
You’ll enjoy this:-
http://takimag.com/article/the_real_threat_to_british_elites_steve_sailer#axzz2VN6vlZMy
You could have written it.
Regs.
Here is a petition that we might want to support…
https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/stop-supporting-violent-groups-e-g-uaf-hnh-who-want-to-destroy-patriotism-in-the-uk
Patriots of the UK send their condolences to the family and friends of the soldier murdered on 22nd May 2013 in Woolwich. There can be no justification for such a terrible attack on an individual. But we must recognise that Anti-UK, Anti-Patriotic red fascist organisations such as UAF and Hope Not hate are trying to use the murder to whip up hate and violence against all Patriots in the UK….
Read more at the link.
EC
Thanks for the link to MP’s piece on Samantha Powers. Is she by any chance the brother of Austin Powers who did such sterling work for the west in battling Goldmember? Her comment a few years back that Hillary Clinton was a monster suggests ‘yes’. The following article, while it throws further light on Ms. Powers qualifications, does not answer the question: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2013/06/06/samantha-powers-world-view/
Radford NG
Thanks for the referral to Gates of Vienna. Like Imda, I had also noticed and been puzzled by the denial of service notice at the New English Review site. Who dunnit? Supporters of freedom of speech from the far centre no doubt.
“Islamist extremists planned a bomb and gun attack on an English Defence League rally in the knowledge that it would spark a tit-for-tat spiral of violence, a court heard….The Old Bailey heard that it had planned “terrible vengeance” on the EDL for what it saw as blasphemous words and actions against Islam.
Mr Robinson briefly watched proceedings from the public gallery of the Old Bailey. ” (The Independent)
I am sure that our Prime Minister, as spokesmen for the people in such times, will be the first to denounce Jewel Uddin, 27, Omar Mohammed Khan, 31, Mohammed Hasseen, 24, Anzal Hussain, 25, Mohammed Saud, 23, and Zohaib Ahmed, 22 as people “who try to demonize islam and stoke up anti-muslim hatred by bringing disorder and violence to our towns and cities”.
Mr. Cameron?
Whoops, sorry about all the stuff up to the beginning of the quotation from The Independent. Don’t know how that got there. Peter, please clean it up if you can.
Thanks for the Taki link, John!
Isn’t it incredible how the spinners work over-time blame people who point out the truth about Muslims.
We are living in a sort of cover version of the old East Germany.
Thought must be outlawed, punished and banned.
Unless, of course, it’s in The Koran, the Hadith, or the sharia.
In which case, it can usurp everything, because Muslims can say whatever they want.
Tommy Robinson of EDL interviewed on FOX TV last night.Video can be viewed at *Gates of Vienna*.
I’ve posted a new post on a subject that bothers me a lot..
http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/heres-a-policy-for-ukip-only-british-citizens-vote/
Smash and grab uniforms will need to be improved as they failed to work in Selfridges last night:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/405742/The-shocking-moment-burkha-clad-Selfridges-raiders-were-stopped-by-public-heroes
“Restaurant worker Mohamed Hussein said one man begged passers-by to help his “wife”, who was actually a man disguised in a burkha.”
He was actually a man wearing a burkha! And he still could have been the other man’s wife!
Although he has a very nice line of patter in his Man of the People act, Richard Littlejohn was showing his puppet strings today when he wrote: ‘There doesn’t seem much doubt that it was the work of a Far Right fanatic, even if he wasn’t a card-carrying EDL member.’
I still don’t understand why an arsonist would take the time to write EDL if the building was to burn afterwards if they were in the EDL?
For that graffiti to escape the flames, you’d have to very familiar with that building – perhaps use it on a regular basis.
In the middle of the night, when you can’t see, and the graffiti might well burn down, why paint it?
If you’re painting in pitch black, you must know the building quite well?
And it just so happens that the graffiti escapes the flames.
It’s a waste of time.
Unless, you’re not the EDL.
And you’re a taqyya merchant who knows that building layout oh-so-well.
Oddly, Littlejohn seems to have a blind spot about the firebombing suspects in Luton.
We must not underestimate the way the taqyya merchants are both aware of and busy manipulating the news agenda to their narrative.
Faith Matters has a very urgent propaganda effort to get the EDL seen as the opposite side of the coin as Islamic terrorism.
That line has been mouthed off by Muslim commentators and useful idiots in the past few weeks on TV.
It doesn’t bear two seconds of scrutiny.
Do the EDL want a Caliphate?
Who have the EDL bombed?
How many EDL bomb plots have there been?
The only terrorist case in relation to the EDL involves a bunch of Muslims being put on trial for trying to attack the EDL!
The taqyya merchants really do hate the EDL because they expose them.
So the tactic is to smear.
Faith Matters – a very sinister organisation – is hopping mad that Islamic terror is dealt with by the Home Office and that ‘Far Right’ – a pejorative description – organisations, including the EDL are covered by the Communities Department.
The fact that the government has already smeared the EDL by making it something that ‘must be watched’ is not enough for Faith Matters.
They want taxpayer money taken away from unearthing Muslim terror and diverted to, er, all that EDL terror.
When have the EDL committed an act of terror?
We are told by the mainstream media that the EDL are the prime suspect for setting alight a mosque (officially a cultural centre – planning permission dupe?) and that this is an act of terror.
Did somebody stage that mosque fire to lever the EDL into the terror bracket with the jihadists?
As an act of desperation to save the ‘Muslims as victims’ propagana narrative that has been exposed for the sham it is?
Because the Press report that the fire is being investigated by, you guessed, the anti-terror police.
Anyone who exposes the jihadist agenda – and its taqyya cloak – must be smeared as being on a level with Islamic terror!
That no-one has committed an act of terror is not enough.
Faith Matters wants the state to bully people even more than it does.
The pretence even goes so far as to smear Christian leaders as if they are like imams.
Faith Matters says: ‘Christian leaders should publicly stand up to EDL’
Now, where did they borrow that from?
All of below is pasted from Faith Matters’ website. Its language and tactics are designed to be the mirror image of policies advocated for dealing with Islamic terror – to bolster the false narrative that there is moral equivalence between Christianity and Islam; that the EDL are like Al Qaeda and so on. I reproduce it here just to show how disingenuous the organisation and its claims are:
Study of the English Defence League: The Faith Hate Report – What Draws People of Faith to Right Wing Organisations & What Effects Does the EDL Have on Interfaith Relations?
Key findings of the report include:
– EDL attempts to recruit among faith communities
– Christian leaders should publicly stand up to EDL
– UK government should examine group’s international funding
– Jewish Defence League should be banned
Christian organisations should be doing far more to combat the appeal of far-right groups such as the English Defence League (EDL), according to counter-extremism organisation, Faith Matters.
The comments from Faith Matters coincides with the launch of research into the appeal of the EDL among faith communities, particularly among a small element of Christian, Jewish, Sikh and Hindu figures.
“Christian institutions on a national level have not been robust in condemning the EDL,” said Faith Matters’ director, Fiyaz Mughal OBE. “There is no national voice from the Church of England for example, universally condemning the actions of the EDL despite the fact the EDL disrupts and attempts to divide Christian and Muslim communities. Why?”
Mughal also said that the UK authorities need to examine how hate groups such as the EDL, which have the capacity to cause huge disruption on our streets, receive international funding.
“Links with Pamella Geller’s Stop the Islamization of America campaign and the ability to raise funds from the US need to be put under the spotlight,” he said. “People in the US promoting street-based social unrest in the UK by donating to the EDL is simply not on.”
Main Findings
– The EDL uses mainly Christian symbolism in its promotion and publicity material,
– Some within faith communities believe that by allying with the EDL they can marginalise and stigmatise Muslims,
– Building community resilience against such hate is vital – anti-hate groups in other faith communities, such as the Luton Faiths Forum, Community Security Trust, the Turban Campaign and Sikhs Against the EDL, should be more fully supported,
– The UK government needs to look at how groups such as the EDL are financed internationally, via a network of supporters in the ‘counter jihadist’ network (particularly the USA),
– The Jewish Defence League needs to be effectively outlawed in the UK for inciting extreme hatred against Muslims.
http://faith-matters.org/resources/publicationsreports/faith-hate-report-edl
SHARIA ;what’s it all about? I’v come across a CHRISTIAN web-site(based in Arizona).It provides a set of brief essays on persecution of Christians in China and N.Korea ;also a section on ISLAM.This is worth taking a look at;at http://www.billionbibles.org
Mine 21.34: THE PROJECT;this is what Blair called what New Labour was doing.Cameron has also called for people to `get with the project`.It is also what the MUSSLIM BROTHERHOOD calls their covert Jihiad plan.Their H.Q. in the U.K. is in Leicestershire.So we are told at http://www.billionbibles.org
Selina,7 June at 21.10: FIZAL MUGHAL ? Wait-on, let me look back through my notes:that’s the Fizal Mughal who’s getting £214,000 tax-payers money for running Tell Mama [see above c. Sun. 2nd.]is it?//……//And that would be Pamella Geller of *Atlas Shrugs*.//…….//
Where is everbody? WAKE UP AT THE BACK, THERE!
Lol. I’m here and awake but about to start a service.
Radford NG
June 8th, 2013 – 08:21
I’m awake and reading dispatches. I hope the Anglosphere is doing the same:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/06/07/america_in_the_midst_of_a_coup_d_etat
Radford NG
We are in the middle of the 2 day English summer. So off to the coast it is.
Can anyone give me an idiots guide to whats happening in Turkey? Is it about a park or something deeper?
Comment to an article in the Washington Times:
” snowleopard (cat folk gallery) • a day ago
As can be clearly seen by the criminal activities uncovered, it is far past time for the IRS to be dismantled in its entirety; implement a flat-tax across the board and get rid of the means of economic and political favoritism, cronyism, and political oppression.
Understand this matter – IRS-gate is much worse than Watergate, but it is still only one of multiple criminal operations uncovered about the admin. Never forget Benghazi in which four men were left to die; Fast and Furious in which one man died and Obama ordered the drug-cartels armed for the purpose of undermining our second amendment.
This is in addition to the massive seizure and blatantly illegal and unconstitutional seizures of phone records, e-mails, and so much more: we are a Republic and not a communist police state.
It is far past time to dismantle the administration and commence the treason trials.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/7/a-scandal-worse-than-watergate/
*****
Here, we might usefully dust off and review the Treason Act 1351 in anticipation of difficult times ahead. Perhaps in a re-enacted statute for our times a little less emphasis might be put on the evils of bonking members and friends of the royal family and a little more on those of transferring sovereignty to foreign interests in whole or in part, or its dissolution by the import of hostile populations, for personal or political gain or otherwise, without first obtaining the express consent of the Queen in Parliament.
Selina
With regard to your comment on Peter’s Farage vs. UAF piece I think it was, where you expressed reservations about Mr. Farage’s “links to big business” – is that always a Bad Thing. To become a national politician (and it seems we still need them), it is difficult not to have links to someone or other. Do we have any evidence that Mr. Farage has any nefarious such links at the moment? Is it possible to have positive links to big business? No doubt big business whose main interest lies in the EU will not be linking with him any time soon.Are we only in favour of small business or perhaps not in favour of business at all? These are not loaded questions; I am interested in your views.
Rod Liddle has a good piece, over at the other place, on the BBC’s mysterious ‘non-reporting’ of Turkish disturbances:
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/rod-liddle/2013/06/turkey-redux/
As is often the case, the posts are good as well. Muswell Hill is mentioned and there are some links to other articles, including this which, in being very balanced, highlights the problem we have:
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/norman-stone-protests-show-the-frailty-of-turkeys-progress-8643446.html.
further to Alexsandr@June 8th, 2013 – 10:04
and to RobertC@June 8th, 2013 – 15:15
thanks for the Liddle link robertc. twas enlightening….
seems we have loads of shale gas to get fracking at.
OK it is a win win for the British getting home grown cheap energy.
but it means we will not be beholden to the arabs for energy so can be more robust in telling them their civil rights are shite.
“Whistleblowers use Tor to safely report on corruption.”
https://www.torproject.org/
I’m looking at a variety of projects like Tor to safeguard the future of the site and other legitimate activities in the light of possible developments in the UK and on the net.
““If you can control [the internet], if you can start tweaking what people say, or intercepting communications, it’s very, very powerful…it’s the sort of power that if you give it to a corrupt government, you give them the ability to stay in power forever.” ”
Sir Tim Berners-Lee –
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/10107784/Web-inventor-Berners-Lee-warns-forces-are-trying-to-take-control.html
I trust all the hypocritical lefties won’t mind if we here celebrate the imminent death of their favourite murdering terrorist?
Let us hope his final suffering is not too short.
Street Party for Mandella anyone?
Frank P has now been joined by Gates of Vienna in recognizing the merits of Clare Lopez. The radio interview which she gave to the English Defence League’s East Anglian Radio on 7th June is excerpted at GOV below with a link there to the complete show in which she addresses the ideological constraints on the US security services which prevent them from effectively targeting islamicist jihadists..
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/06/excerpt-of-clare-lopez-on-edl-radio-june-7-2013/
‘We Wanted a President That Listens to All Americans – Now We Have One’ Jay Leno
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/06/08/leno-we-wanted-president-listens-all-americans-now-we-have-one
More UAF violence in Sheffield on Saturday when the EDL returned there for a walk and wreath laying;after being prevented from it by the UAF the previous week.Though the local paper,`The Star`, is largely hostile to the EDL most of the comments in the three related articles that can be found there condemn the UAF violence from it’s street-thugs,students and left-wing trouble makers. See http://www.thestar.co.uk
I think that we are beginning to understand what “UAF” stands for – United Alliance of Fascists.
Looks like Tim Yeo is finished.
Good.
Bet he doesnt apply for the chiltern hundreds. 2 lame ducks now.
BBC News site: Barnett Council Leader,Richard Cornelius,said his Authority intended to rebuild the Muswell Hill centre[which was not a mosque].In regard to the fire the question is:`Cui bono?`.//======//It is also not emphasized that it belongs to the Somali Welfare Assoc. And,even before the attack on NYC in Black September 2001, the SOMALIS in London had `a certain reputation`both amongst the rozzers and the rest of the `black` community.
Daily Mail: Christine Keeler confesses;STEVEN WARD was Soviet spy.