The Coffee House Wall – 4th/10th April

Posted on April 4, 2016

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332 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 4th/10th April”

  1. Colonel Mustard @ 22:31

    Not an option Baron would fail to back if it were on offer, Colonel, it also involves the participation of the state (if only indirectly). He also concedes a weakness for the opposition not because he backs what they preach, but because he himself was deprived of a voice once, knows well how it feels, believes it’s possible to defeat them in an open sparring match provided one’s aware of what breeds the telemachuses of this world, why they multiply as much as they do, have taken over institutions, but not the minds and hearts of all ( will explain but not now, no time for anything but the essential response, sorry).

  2. Frank P @ 01:04

    It has become a routine to blame the software, it’s true, it must have been it again, apologies.

    As for the rest of your argument, Frank, please wait, Baron has no in tension (you see, the fugging software changed ‘intention’ to tension or rather it offered the word, ignored Baron’s typing) to avoid answering you, it’s just he has no time right now, it’s a particularly busy time for him.

    Btw, you may have deduced Baron totally against nuclear as a stick to wave from his ‘what’s the smarter …. like many he hasn’t fully decided, leans towards either a cheaper option or subcontracting, Trident is just an insurance with a premium that’s too high, still, wait he’ll and you will kick each other again over it.

    Btw, it just occurred to the barbarian, keeping steel going is a kind of insurance similar to nuclear, the Britain will have steel in case she cannot get it because of a military conflict, keeping it ‘ensures’ self-sufficient future, and no, one cannot use the argument for everything like street corner shops or egg laying ..

  3. Malfleur @ 01:40

    It’s a case of signalling, we are talking single numbers, and there’s no guarantee those who are allowed to say do. Next door in the Czech Republic, most if not all of the Syrian Christians decided to return to the ME – language, weather and not the warmest reception.

    Again, not enough time, but it more than saddens Baron the fugging country, Czecho, cannot give sanctuary to just few Christians, calls itself a Christian country.

  4. It comes as a great surprise to hear that Putin and friends have been money laundering.
    We live in interesting times. Panorama tonight will be mandatory viewing. As long as it does not clash with the Radio4 program on Traitor Philby and his lectures to the Stasi.
    The whole of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet empire remain rotten to the core and have tentacles here represented by Corbyn, McDonnel and Seumus Milne.

  5. Frank P, April 3rd, 2016 – 14:32

    “Wonderful feeling, wonderful day!” Argh! 🙂 🙂 🙂

    This connoisseur had not heard that particular one either!
    There was no shortage of similarly related texts washing about the 2G cellphone ether either – at that time.

  6. There is a referendum in the Netherlands on Wednesday as to whether they are to accept the EU agreement to extend special privileges to The Ukraine . (see Breitbart).

    http://bit.ly/224XXYB

  7. Having been CTB for the last few days I decided to bite the bullet and watch the remaining unviewed episodes of “The Night Manager” that were sitting on my Sky+ box.

    A lavish production, no expense spared as the munificence of the licence payers’ pockets were picked once again. What a dreadful adaptation, script and screenplay, resulting in the biggest barrowload of contrived, naive, emotive bollocks since the last one that the BBC produced. [mind you, the book wasn’t exactly one of Le Carré’s best]

    However, this production ticked a lot of boxes that will undoubtedly result in several BAFTA nominations next time around. The character of Leonard Burr in the book had been transgendered into “Angela” played with added gravida by the heavily pregnant Olivia Colman – who is seemingly in everything these days.(certain BAFTA nom’!)

    All the rest of the women characters were portrayed as china dolls cruelly used and abused their men even though they were not in any way to be considered “a bit slack” (i.e. oestrogen based parasitical lifeforms) dontcha know. The main protagonist came with excruciating “right on” added uber “bit of a tit”, painfully in touch with his feminine sensitive side – surely another BAFTA nom’!

    In case you hadn’t guessed where my sympathies lay by the end of this travesty, they were with the arms dealers and gun runners who, with a strong business ethic and moral code, were undoubtedly more honest, hardworking and productive than all the amoral molls, spooks, politicians and civil servants put together! The ‘good guys’ in this instance were superbly played by Hugh Laurie, Tom Hollander, Alistair Petrie and Michael Nardone. If it hadn’t been for their performances the whole thing would have be unwatchable!
    Neil Morrissey has to get a special mention too.

    Never again!

  8. Also, the final scene from the above was, imo, shamefully lifted from “The Long Good Friday.”

  9. On whom do we pour scorn?

    An upholder of our Laws or a follower of the peaceful religion?

    Anti-FGM campaigner targeted on a bus by Muslim woman who was furious she had told children that female circumcision was abuse
    “A female genital mutilation survivor has spoken out about being attacked on a London bus by a woman whose child she had told that FGM was a form of abuse.

    Hibo Wardere, 46, fled Somalia’s civil war when she was 18, 12 years after suffering FGM – the brutal and potentially lethal practice which occurs in the UK every 96 minutes.

    The mother-of-four now visits schools educating children about the barbaric tradition, which angered her attacker who seized the opportunity to confront her after spotting Ms Wardere on the bus.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3522683/Anti-FGM-campaigner-targeted-bus-Muslim-woman-furious-told-children-female-circumcision-abuse.html

  10. RobertRetyred at 14:57

    FMG = GBH = Life.

    I stand to be corrected by Frank P. but : FMG has long been illegal under the Offences Against the Persons Act (1862 [?] ) sections 18 and 21 (as amended ) : concerning pre-meditated assaults with a weapon causing Grievous Bodily Harm.
    The maximum penalty for which is `life`.The usual maximum is 16 years. The average sentence is 9 years . (I write from memory in all this.)
    All this seems to have been ignored in the matter of FMG.

    I do not know the penalties for FMG ; if it is prosecuted.

  13. Radford NG – 15:34

    5th Feb 2015: and I don’t know of a successful case since:
    FGM trial: Prosecutors defend decision to charge acquitted doctor
    “FGM has been illegal in England and Wales for 30 years, but to date nobody has been specifically prosecuted for the offence.”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31143911

  15. Emulous @ 10:28

    You’re quite right, Emulous, the whole of the formerly Kremlin part of the world smells of corruption, bad habits die hard, you would have missed Baron’s take on it in the past. It will take generations to weed corruption, bribery, extortion money and stuff out of the region for when communism ruled it was the way of life, the unwashed had a saying ‘he who doesn’t steel impoverished his own family’.

    Still, one of those who allegedly have an account with the same law firm was the boy’s farther. OK with you then? It must be, you have forgotten to mention it.

    As for Putin, the barbarian reckons the whole campaign has been put together to get at him, a prelude to another Russia cum Putin bashing, more of the same is to come, the West has been remarkably quiet about Palmyra, even more so about what few weeks of Russian bombing did to eradicate ISIL (compared with years of America’s ‘resolute pummelling of the thugs’).

  16. Frank P @ 16:58

    A break for the barbarian, Frank, no breather for the wicked, ha?

    On the KGB man:

    Just one thing, Frank, the revelations are rather silly, Putin has no need for any offshore accounts, he will live in luxury without hiding anything in distant places, it wouldn’t shock the barbarian to know he has an account with the Russia’s Central bank.

    On the omni-all kick at Hitchens:

    It’s hard to tell what’s bugging Mr. Boot, is it the state of affairs of the now ‘privatised Britain’, or Peter’s nostalgia for the bureaucratic monstrosities of the old.

    Baron’s take on either should be well known to regular readers of this blog, he believes the state has a role to play, the case of steelmaking is a case in point, but he would never want to re-nationalise either the telecom sector or anything else.

  17. Emulous @ 10:28

    And this also for you, Emulous, a reward for your solid defence of morally upright, incorruptible, above the board West, it’s related to the Panama leaks:

    In the multi-page spread of doping few weeks ago, the ST homed on some six corrupt athletes, five were Russians, one was based in Africa, but in the middle of the blurb the compilers of the piece mentioned that some 96 athletes altogether hd tested positive. That was it, no names, no nationalities, no more info at all.

    Yesterday, a doctor was filmed in secret boasting about supplying illegal drugs to some 150 sportsmen based here in Britain (not necessarily British born and bred). The papers were full of it, today everyone’s somewhat back peddling, the doctor says it’s all bollocks, it got dropped, everyone’s interest shifted to Panama accounts, each daily has Putin in the front page headline.

    What do you make of it then? You are interested in local cheaters, or is it your only concern is the East? Would be it shiting into your own nest to admit that many in the upstanding West are as corrupt as in the East, the only difference being they over there are quite rough about it (a shoe box full of banknotes), here in the advanced world of the West we’re by far more sophisticated.

    A foundation is set up, it receives money for a speech by a politician, the politician then makes use of the cash, all kosher, everything as it should be to keep the easily brainwashed happy? Or you see it differently?

    (The break’s over, you and Frank can breathe easy).

  20. Just watched the live feed from Donald Trump’s latest ‘barnstormer’ performance in a giant aircraft hanger in Superior, WI. The result of tomorrow’s primary is going to be dramatic and interesting but while we wait here is an amusement…

    Donald Trump – The American Gladiator

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9tcswoomvM

    Some familiar faces bite the dust here! 🙂

  21. RobertRetyred @ 21:11

    The barbarian has listened to it again, Robert, and his initial impression didn’t change, Mark’s much better writing that talking. It wasn’t bad, his team won, but except for the outburst around the 38 minute into the debate, Mark wasn’t as sharp as Baron would have liked him to be, Nigel scored better.

    For someone like Baron, a recent refugee offered a sanctuary here to express concern about the new arrivals may seem unfair, some may say ‘well, he’s in, wants to prevent others to reach safety’. This is not the case at all, from his own personal experience the barbarian knows well what these people must be going trough. What troubles however are essentially two things.

    First, because of their upbringing, the culture they and their forefathers have grown in, the value system that was implanted by the society they’ve come from, they take the Koran to be not just a guide to their personal life, a moral codex, a prescription for how to behave in daily life, but also a manual for societal governance, a source of law and justice. To square this with our view of how a society should run is virtually impossible, no one has yet found a way of mixing successfully oil and water, it’s either the Koran that wins, or we do.

    Second, it links with the first, is that what’s coming from every survey amongst them is that they regard themselves as Muslim first, the citizens of any polity second. The danger this poses may not be imminent, it certainly isn’t something that would do us harm in times of peace, but what would happen if the country were to be threatened by an enemy of the same creed? Would they join in with us, or would their religious affiliation prevail?

  22. EC @ 22:03

    He may have missed it, EC, but one face was missing from the fight, blond hair, middle age spread, squeaky voice.

    You reckon he’ll get enough votes before the convention?

    If not, the GOP elders deprive him of the nomination, what will the reaction of his supporters be?

  23. Baron April 4th, 2016 – 21:04

    Schama is such a preening tosser. Emoting. Squealing. Outraged. Rabble rousing.

  24. In the debate it wasn’t long before Arbour and Schama started the sneering at and smearing of their opponents. Arbour sneered at them for their “feminist” concern about the treatment of women and Schama described them as “sad” for focussing on sexual assaults.

    Can any lefty ever debate anything without resorting to sneering at and smearing those whose political opinions do not conform to theirs ?

  25. Baron – 22:40

    Agreed. There are many points that add to the debate but they could be classed as not that strong because of ‘heart on the sleeve’ stories to neutralise them: 2/3 are illiterate, what will they do here – spread peace?, a French muslim that beheaded a colleague was described as very normal (before the ‘event’), their behaviour changes as their numbers grow, what does ‘seek out the infidel and strike him on the neck’ mean?, they don’t recognise national boundaries anyway, and they are very law abiding – it’s just that their laws are different, they view generosity as a weakness, no mention of Mo being a ‘good role model’ or anything about six year old girls on swings, etc!

    I did think that Sharma’s and Nigel’s agreement that the West hasn’t stood up for its own culture is possibly the pearl that was produced, though the weakness of our national leaders, political and spiritual (are there any) was not really emphasised. In part, it is that that is our culture: we have freedom from culture. Not completely of course, but it is why it is so difficult to defend, promote and police, as not policing morality is part of our culture. They didn’t mention CMD’s INTDWI directly, but it was sort of covered. I thought the woman introduced a lot of information in her closing speech, so there was no chance to respond and Mark was good in his closing speech. And I think Sharma’s irritation at Farage mentioning Christian refugees and our Christian culture was of note. Sharma doesn’t really know how lucky he is living in a Judeo-Christian based culture.

  26. Steyn makes such a powerful case on paper of the demographical issue that it is surprising that he didn’t devote at least one segment of tjhe debate to those facts. Neither he nor Farage attacked the Koran and Hadiths as the root of the problem. Once again Islam got a free ride.

    Schama was exactly as Colonel M adjudicated at 22:59.

    The switch in votes was encouraging, given that the audience was almost entirely Canadian.

  28. The Dutch are having a referendum in two days on whether the EU should sign a trade deal with Ukraine. The result is uncertain, the video is by one of the groups opposing it. No need to speak Dutch to view the debating of the Ukrainian Rada, the equivalent of our House.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqfdplc7bNc

  29. Schama has been a contributing editor on the globalist Financial Times since 2009. That may be unfair.

    In the photograph of participants’ bottoms at the top of the linked page, Ms. Arbour looks like the middle-aged Roy Jenkins. That may be unkind.

    And no, I haven’t listened to the debate yet – but Spotify is playing something ominous, mournful and menacing with skidding arpeggios in a minor key by Shostakovich. So I shall be ready shortly.

    Buttered toast first though I think – and another cup of Twinings English Breakfast Tea…Preppers should lay in large stock.

  30. “Anyway, watching this debate, and watching Arbour and Schama try these tricks on Steyn and Farage, I was (like a lot of viewers, I’m sure) champing at the bit. So what a thing of beauty it was to see Steyn’s riposte to all this. It begins at 38:25. That’s where Steyn begins by congratulating Schama and Arbour for getting ‘such big laughs on gang-rape’. It grows from there. Schama’s face at the end of it is a true portrait of liberal posturing at the moment of moral deflation. Perhaps someone could frame it and donate it to the nation?”

    Douglas Murray

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/no-simon-schama-people-worried-about-gang-rape-and-fgm-arent-obsessed-with-sex/

  31. Colonel Mustard @ 22:59

    As the posters below the video said, Colonel, he is indeed Drama Schama, his first six minutes were just an emotional rant, and his ‘sex obsession’ point got a deserving response from the great Mark.

    What surprised Baron is that both Mark and Nigel said they had no problem with either Muslims or Islam (just wahabism), neither one made the point of separating Muslims, i.e. people fed the Islamic creed, from the creed itself, this line of argument is pushed by Geert Wilders, it resonates with many, it could be the grounds where some accommodation with the ME refugees could be found, unless, as many on this blog would argue, they should all be shipped back.

  32. Malfleur @ 23:25

    This may seem a trivial case, Malfleur, but it goes to the core of the two cultures meeting face to face. Instead of our insisting they assimilate into the culture that has offered them sanctuary, it’s they who insist on clinging to their own ways of conducting social intercourse. Bit by bit, we’ll behave as they do, unless we stand firm, compel them to treat everyone, men and women, equally.

  33. RobertRetyred @ 23:19

    Excellent summing up, Robert.

    Towards the middle of the debate there was a chance to bring up the reaction to the plight of the unfortunate refugees of their Muslim brothers in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar. Why is it the flow of refugees is singularly in one direction only, towards he lands of the infidels?

  34. EC @ 23:50

    Douglas is a truly fearless man, EC, it’s amazing he’s been left banging about the issue without anyone from the brigade of the anointed trying to hit back.

    Good on him, but watch his back he should.

  35. Frank P @ 23:23

    Good point, Frank, some people are better talkers, some write more convincingly, seldom one finds someone good at both. Douglas is the one who can do it. In a gathering somewhere in Scandinavian country (Baron forgets where), he was brilliant – a superb delivery, the right timing, the speech had a backbone easily followed, remembered.

  38. Baron @ 00:18

    Paul Joseph Watson, who is Infowars correspondent in England, is a Douglas with a slight northern accent and eloquent with no ums and ers. I have not however seen him debating outside of the Infowars studio. His work there and his “tweets” (whatever a tweet is) attract numerous, regular death threats. Your warning to Douglas is almost certainly therefore unnecessary.The shame is that the people issuing the threats are not hauled before an unsympathetic beak. In the United States, the same specie of threat made against Mr. Trump is treated with like indifference – I would hesitate, briefly, to say encouragement – by the authorities.

  39. Arbour never responded to the demand which Steyn made in his response to her opening remarkes that she address and take a position on the cultural and physical mistreatment of women by the muslim “refugees”.

    Her arbitrary extension, by operation of her opinion, of the legal definition of ‘refugee’ to include any muslim from the Middle East who wanted to get to Europe, her male clothes, and her touting herself time and again as a feminist while taking time out to attack Farage and Steyn as ideologists, as though that gave her some special status to prevail in argument, showed her up for the political lawyer that she is.

  40. I see you have got on to the Schama- Steyn debate.
    The rapists in question also think their `god`has put it upon them to kill all the “four-by-twos”. Schama ought to note that.

  41. Baron – 00:07
    It is the rejection of anything Judeo-Christian by our elite that has weakened Britain – which is Sharma personified. How he can complain, when the alternative is the Koran, I don’t understand.

    Baron – 00:15
    I did like Farage’s point that most of the British know little of their History, unlike Sharma who is an Historian and was waxing lyrical at the time 🙂 , and then Mark added his bit about History not being called History any more! It seems to be a world wide phenomenon in the English speaking world.

    Britain hasn’t needed to defend itself, and the masses think it is the status quo and nothing to do with having had an empire.

  42. Sorrry about the errors, (what a start to a posting, ha?).

    Over and over again, the barbarian promises to read what he types before clicking the submit button, seldom he does it. If the time permits, he’ll tell you the reaction to the Panama leak in Russia, some of you may be surprised by it.

  43. HARROW, TYNE AND WEAR A nun accused of shouting ‘die, die, die’ at a care home resident faces an anxious wait before she learns her fate. Mary Olimma allegedly made a series of inappropriate comments while working at Roseway House a home for elderly dementia patients in Jarrow, Tyne and Wear. She told a female resident: ‘Why don’t you just die. Nobody wants you here’, the Nursing and Midwifery Council heard. She then allegedly told the woman: ‘Just die. Die, die, die’.

    Meanwhile, in other news…

    http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/newsgallery/

    May the farce be with you!

  44. Baron April 4th, 2016 – 23:55

    Any response I made on the point about the creed would be biased by experience as I do not happen to share in the blanket condemnation of Islam. Steyn made the point about Muslims fighting for Empire and it is true that most of those actually carrying the fight to ISIS and other extremists, even in Pakistan, are Muslims. Having been required at certain times to literally entrust my life to Muslims I personally never found them wanting in loyalty or courage. This should not be taken as evidence of Islamophilia on my part but of pragmatic circumspection about the trend of some to scorn the whole lot.

    It remains a fact, however, that the majority of mosques in the UK affiliate to the revivalist Deobandi branch of the religion which has its roots in anti-British agitation and hate on the (old) NW Frontier of India. It is quite extraordinary (or perhaps not) that none of the idiots in the Foreign Office or Government seemed to be aware of or alerted to this unfortunate fact when they gave carte blanche to mass immigration. The same sort of thing happened in Hong Kong where the government adopted a laissez-faire approach to those Chinese communists who came not as refugees but merely to exploit the freedom to prosper whilst at the same time still proudly declaring for the Peoples Republic. This demonstration of having their cake and eating it was tolerated with only a little official monitoring of any overt political activity, rather timidly done in any case.

    Britain seems to like extending its traditional hospitality towards foreigners to those who wish only to enjoy the fruits of being here with no quid pro quo to show loyalty to the country, to assimilate or to respect the cultural status quo, in fact to display contrary sentiments. And that naive, uncritical, some might say over tolerant, approach is not restricted to those of the Muslim faith. There seems to be an abundance of non-native born public figures who seem to delight in slagging England off and telling its people how it should be run.

  45. Malfleur April 5th, 2016 – 01:53

    I thought her absolutely ghastly in the way she operated during the debate and imagine she got herself to that elevated position in the UN by the bullying, hectoring, dogmatic, overbearing style demonstrated during it. People being too polite or too intimidated to tell her to take a running jump back to “French Canada” where no doubt her grievances and various prejudices originated.

    Far more dangerous than Schama.

  46. Baron April 5th, 2016 – 00:18

    Maybe the resident “regulator” should have a quiet word with the SNP’s Stasi to “apprehend” Mr Murray for his failure to THINK before tweeting.

    God, has it really come to that? In Britain?

    I’m afraid that it has.

  47. Baron 1838
    Perhaps I am a bit thick?
    Are you defending Putin and his bunch of shysters.
    Frank gave a good link to the Boot blog:
    “One can understand them: how can one deal with a state whose head isn’t only a murderer, nuclear terrorist and a tyrant, but also a gangster? And yet, as Putin and his henchmen keep reminding us, we must deal with them because they have the big bombs.”
    The man is a blackmailer.
    The Ruskies have been brought up under a regime with no moral compass. We, at least, in Western Europe were brought up with the messages of Easter and Christmas as part of the fabric of our being. To us right is right and wrong is wrong as black is black and white is white. For the Ruskies the ethos brought from the Soviet times is that right is what will make me look good in the eyes of the Party. End of.
    I have told you before that Russia has never understood anything other than dictatorial rule. And with that comes a moral philosophy of the only thing that matters is to please the Supreme Leader, whether Ivan, Peter, Stalin or Putin.
    The Eastern Europeans are very similar, albeit to lesser degree.

  48. Malfleur 1.53
    You are correct to highlight the role of this dreadful specimen
    A lost of heat and light generated towards the sainted Simon for the Stern but the real villain of the debate is Louise Arbour, an apologist for the niqab viz:
    “I am not convinced at all that we should try to liberate women against their will or by forcing them to stay hidden at home because there is no place for them in public life and the public sphere and public working place,” Arbour said.
    Arbour argues the best way to promote freedom of religion and gender equality is by welcoming women who wear niqabs into the public sphere.
    Arbour would not get far in France.

  49. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/05/could-isil-actually-detonate-a-nuclear-dirty-bomb-in-britain/

    Only if incited by the globalists as part of their campaign to produce a situation in which the un-awakened people in the United Kingdom and the United States might go along with calls for martial law and the suppression of our ancient liberties as somehow justified and required by the outrage.

    Be on guard against false flags!!

    ISIL/ISIS/AL QAEDA is a NATO/NWO construct.

  50. Colonel Mustard – 12:10 ‘ blanket condemnation of Islam?’

    You can, if you want, condemn Islam, yet still hold someone in that ‘group’ in high esteem, in spite of the agenda that he follows. You will have judged the man, not his culture.

    Read Islamic literature, determine the founder’s ideals and behaviour, making sure you know which texts have prominence, then assess the situation. It doesn’t look good. If your acquaintance treated you well, it was because of who he was, not the culture that he went against, an act that is punishable by death.

    Those who are born into it, but have contact with our culture, have a dichotomy. They may follow our culture in public life, but that does not mean that they have left the seventh century cult behind: some don’t want to and some do, but cannot leave. All is written in their texts. Asad Shah was in a sect that renounced the violence, and look what happened to him, and by whom! Many might want to leave but are too fearful so we cannot condemn all members either. It is part of the problem of working out what to do.

    I disagree with those who say feminism is all about getting equality for women. Equality is either for all or it is for none! And most feminist activists are far from equitable either, but that doesn’t mean that all those with feminist empathies are without honour.

  52. RobertRetyred April 5th, 2016 – 14:50

    It was ‘they’ not ‘he’ and they were comrades not acquaintances.

  53. This morning we received a leaflet from an unnamed source, adducing ‘facts’ about the coming EU Referendum. The address source on the leaflet is a ‘Freepost’ reference located at 7th Floor ?Westminster Tower, 3 Albert Embankment London SE1 7SP.

    The leaflet appeared to be a government circular until I read the ‘facts’ when it became clear that the leaflet was in fact authored by a ‘leave’ lobbying group.

    My question is why is a ‘leave’ lobby

    (a) reluctant to identify itself, or

    (b) camouflaging it’s literature as government emanated.

    In other words why aren’t they shouting message from the roof tops unashamedly and admitting their identity?

  55. Robert Retyred

    Let’s stop mincing words. Islam is ‘our’ (the) enemy. Some Muslims admit it, some pretend otherwise, quietly waiting for the Caliphate to succeed globally, then ‘we’ll’ be under their Dhimmitude rules of engagement. Simples. It’s called the deadly mix of terror and taqiyya applied locally as necessary. They ‘hef a plen!’

    I was disappointed that Farage didn’t articulate that sentiment during the debate; mortified that Mark Steyn didn’t. He did it so much better in the ensuing address down under.

  57. I am appalled at the attacks of a sinister antisemitic nature on Simon Schama

    Those who came on our march and heard my speech in Manchester in July 2014 in support of the Gazans will know my concerns about extreme Zionism but anti semitism I cannot abide

    Much of this peculiar anti-semitism is being orchestrated by The Spectator and Gatestone

    Rod Liddle has posted some intemperate comments. Instead of reasoned debate he screams

    “..(Scharma) looked like a Thunder-birds puppet controlled by a person with Parkinson’s disease… area which got me into trouble with Mr Schama, who easily out-drivelled Mary. Talking about the ‘refugee’ crisis, the art historian divested himself of a stream of emotionally incontinent non-sequiturs — and it was when I pointed this out that he became incandescent with pique”

    And then the redoubtable Douglas Murray

    “I suppose we will all just have to speculate over what kind of face Simon Schama regards himself as having (metrosexual, aristocratic, epicene?)…
    …. for a certain type of globe-trotting international celebrity, any concern for borders, national identity and cultural continuity are not just beneath them, but actively ‘common’. Of course, Simon Schama can probably live pretty much where he wants. And if the area around him goes somewhat downhill because the neighbours all start to come from the rougher corners of Eritrea then Simon Schama can move. And he will probably move to a very nice area. But of course not everybody has that choice. And one thing we can all be certain of is that Simon Schama will probably never choose to live in Bradford, Malmo or any of the (dare I say it) ‘suburbs’ outside Paris. Yet all the time he will urge other peoples’ neighbourhoods to more closely resemble those great success stories, and look down at people from an ever-loftier height when they dare to object.”

    And then last nights outpouring of Doug-bile

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/no-simon-schama-people-worried-about-gang-rape-and-fgm-arent-obsessed-with-sex/

    *

    And to cap this he is accused by Islamophobes of being soft on Islam purely because he made statements such as this on the BBC

    “ The blood libel which accused Jews of murdering Christian children in order to drain their blood for the baking of Passover matzo began in medieval England but never went away, reviving in 16th century Italy, 18th century Poland, 19th century Syria and Bohemia, and 20th century Russia”

    Instead of attacking the Palestinians as the baying media want

  59. A postscript on Simon Schama – he was Diane Abbot’s history tutor at Cambridge.
    Fancy that!

  60. EC April 5th, 2016 – 18:21

    Seconded.

    teletwat has played the classic left wing race card to intimidate dissent when the well deserved criticism of Schama had nothing to do with that.

    Sinister indeed! It is YOU who is SINISTER, teletwat, so do fuck off once and for all and spare us any more of your tedious BILGE.

  61. It’s getting the stage where the miasma of stale communism is becoming so marked on this site that even I feel that my jaded senses (smell and taste) demand that I remove myself from the source. This is not a question of free speech, it’s protection from insult to the itelligence – and exposure to the stench of Gramscian guff tinged with a touch of ageing Tariq Ali. It reminds of the street days of the late 60s early 70s but at least those days were tinged with the masking smell of ganja, Brut after-shave, but most of all the smell of cowardice expressed through their over active sphinctres, doing the ‘half-a-crown/sixpence’ exercise as we confronted them at the sharp end.

    I think time has come Peter. Its presence is cruel and unusual punishment. When I was taking the Queen ‘s shilling, I had to tolerate it for reasons of duty. It was necessary and I was quite young then.

    This rancid turd has driven away from here several sharp minds already. I’m not sure that even my hitherto resilient loyalty to the blog is sufficient to justify the unnecessary pain. Be rid of him Peter.

    We’re renegades, not commy dhimmis.

  62. EC (18:24)

    “A postscript on Simon Schama – he was Diane Abbot’s history tutor at Cambridge.
    Fancy that!”

    I didn’t realise that he was THAT elderly.

    She must be in her mid 70s, mustn’t she? ☺☺

  64. Colonel Mustard @ 12:10

    An excellent précis, Colonel, nothing but full agreement with you, the barbarian has made the same argument Mark did about the Victoria Cross awarded to at least one of them, their courageous fighting on our side in the last war (and before), their forming a large part of our forces in India etc.

    The fact remains however that until the end of WW2 we were dealing with a different branch of the creed (our response to any attempt of ‘disobedience’ was also different) and, as the faith happens to have no hierarchical structure, a new mutation seems to have got hold of the religion (as you yourself say). The question then is how to deal with it, how to ensure the faith moves back to promoting the hadiths of peace rather than those of the sword.

  65. telemachus @ 18:15

    You’re quite right, telemachus, Rod was more than grossly unfair to ‘any Thunder-birds puppet controlled by a person with Parkinson’s disease’, he should apologise to it, repent, promise not to do it again.

    This posting of yours may be longish because you essentially copied what others have said, then plastered a libelling sentence or two on those who said it. This, my sparring partner, is as close to trolling as it gets. If you really want to be taken seriously as a combatant for the other side you must do better than this.

    Schama’s performance was pathetic, he contributed little to the argument the two were defending (got ‘applauded’ to finish twice), most likely because deep down he knows his take on the issue goes against common sense, is unlikely to lead to an acceptable (and lasting) cure of the boil, and amounts to little more than pandering to the view everyone is compelled to follow whilst the honorary Muslim is in charge.

  66. Frank P @ 20:27

    You just watch out, Frank, it may not be too long and you’ll be living under his rule (only joking, but weirder things have happened).

  67. Emulous @ 13:36

    It’s not a question of ‘thickness’, Emulous, but that of fairness, you still live as if you won in the lottery of life being born British. This may indeed be the case with you, sadly it doesn’t apply to the vast majority of the current generation of the British.

    The poorly educated Slav believes in what he labels ‘the healthy core of Englishness’, reckons it will re-assert itself again, the country’s compass will get righted, but views such as yours – writing off the Full Monty of a tribe because of prejudice – has never formed a part of the belief system of that core. If, in the Britain’s glorious past, it did the peoples in countries such as India would not be what they’re today, the presence of inflated arrogance was limited, often scoffed on, never gained control of the policy.

    If only you spoke Russian (do you?) you could have listened to the coverage of the Panama leaks on ‘The Rain’, the Moscow based internet TV. Since you cannot (Baron presumes), and didn’t watch it, you have to take Baron’s take on it. Brilliant, by far better than the BBC, the Newsnight, the iTV, the lot here put together.

    Over 90 minutes devoted to the subject, plenty of commentators, the best amongst them a lawyer who works in this field (mostly for Western companies). The one thing you may like to know is that amongst the leaked names (not friends of a politician), westerners are the vast majority, there may of course be a ‘second edition’ but so far Russian names are fewer than 10.

    The station is strongly anti-Putin (150,000 subscribers, one of their commentators called the KGB Colonel a murderer, it runs a regular BBC slot each Tuesday), but even they concluded there was nothing to tarnish the Kremlin man with.

    Unless one knows more, most of what has been revealed could be above the board and legal provided the tax authorities of the countries are aware of it, the only thing that’s ‘new’ is that private dealing of individuals (both physical and legal) are now known not to the tax authorities only, but to the public as well.

    This in no way suggests there is no corruption in Russia (or the former satellite states), there you’re absolutely right, but how does one eradicate a feature of a society that has been bred into it for over 400 years in just one generation?

  68. Emulous @ 13:36

    And another thing, Emulous.

    Since the fall of communism, what have the Russians done to us? Could you tell Baron?

    (No help, Frank, please).

  69. How could one better Murphy Donovan when just one short paragraph encapsulates it so well?

    “The most recent Islamic atrocity in Brussels is, alas, another case study in the pathology of appeasement. ISIS now conducts forays against EU from a sanctuary a few blocks from the capital of Europe. In response, the continent again cowers under impotent solidarity pledges and meaningless light shows. Belgium provides more manpower per capita to ISIS than any other civilized nation. Tolerance and terror are the wages of European apathy. The ghost of Quisling haunts the capitals of Europe”.

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/G._Murphy_Donovan/Dunces_and_Doctrines/

  71. No jokes, OK?

    ‘There are three people whom Allah shall not speak to on the day of Resurrection, nor shall he look at them, nor shall he purify them, and they shall have a painful torment: One whose garment hangs down below his ankles, almanaan, and (a merchant) who sells of his merchandise by means of false oath.’

    That’s one hadith of importance for the length of man’s pants, and there’s another one on the same subject:

    ‘The part of the garment which hangs below the ankles is (punishable) by Fire (on the day of Resurrection)’.

    Please take note, it may come useful when you convert.

    On a more ‘jovial’ note: Does anyone has any explanation for it, judging by the severity of punishment important hadiths? The barbarian had a ‘learned’ conversation with a friend, the one (most sensible) answer that offered itself was, the shortness of man’s pants (above ankles) avoids raising dust, there’s alot of it in the sandy places, the dust contains impurities (dry piss, spits?), people may breathe them in, get ill. Can anyone better it?

    (Source: Christopher Howse column in the DT.)

  72. Baron

    Two things. One: please stop feeding the fucking troll.

    And two: what have the fucking Russians ever done FOR us*? And before you answer that question and start waffling on about WW II – please read Diana West’s book ‘American Betrayal’ from cover to cover.

    *Except cause you to flee to this country; which I might be prepared to accept as a benefit, if you didn’t continue to canvass to cede continued access to this blog for the Commie kunt.

    On the subject of ‘blanket condemnation’ of Islam; there was a time when I may have agreed with both you and The Colonel on that score. But not since global Islam managed to oust (with the help of The Septics and our own barmy leaders) the Shah and and hand Persia over to the Mullahs. Since then I am prepared to believe that the jihad, which had laid largely dormant for decades until then, once again became a reality as they got a sniff of the Twelth Imam and were promised victory by by Yusuf Qaradawi, the main architect of The Muslim Bros project.
    9/11 clinched any doubts. The Muzzy in the White House wiped out any residual questions. Now, whatever internal squabbles they may have, they are ALL onside with regard to Infidels. The local Paki shopkeeper and we Infidels will continue to exchange pennies for papers and occasional smiles, but we all know what will happen when ‘they’ get the upper hand. The signs are already there in parts of London and many provincial cities. So let’s stop making allowances and suggesting that ‘peaceful’ Muslims want ‘peace’ as much as we do. We each want different types of peace – on our own terms. There’s isn’t my idea of peace. It’s submission. As I’ve not decided to live in one of their countries I do not want them to decide what is good for me.

    Close the fucking mosques. Islam is the enemy.

  74. RobertRetyred @ 15:10

    “She (Lagarde) also said the United States should implement a higher minimum wage and boost working benefits”.

    The difference between labour cost per unit of output between the US, Europe and China is (roughly) 14 to 10 to 1, and China’s slowing, too. More to the point, how would boosting minimum hourly wage (£7.25 here, $15.0 in the US help growth?

    Who are these clowns?

  76. Frank P – 17:10
    I think that having a completely different culture invading was the problem under discussion, but I was surprised as well. After all, it’s all down in black and white, if not in English. I think that having over 500,000 illiterates that are expecting a free ride until they propel themselves towards 52 virgins is enough of a problem, without trying to change their behaviour using diagrams. 🙂

  77. Baron – 23:55

    It would help the French economy: she is French, you know. 🙂

  79. RR (23:53)

    ☺ Yeah, I know. I was just expanding on EC’s drollery.

    00:02

    We crossed posts there. I guess my 23:48 kinda covers those points. 😉

  80. Frank P @ 23:48

    Well, Frank, what else, two things, too, before the barbarian turns in.

    Where and how does Baron feed him? The posting you must be referring to is anything but. It so upset the barbarian that he called it (well, almost called it) trolling. What else can the poorly educate d Slav do to appease you, allmighty guru?

    The post communist Russians (not the Soviets i.e. Russians yoked by the communist doctrine) have done for us next to FA because we have never allowed them to do anything like trading (we used to be, still are a trading nation) for fear of upsetting the especially friendly ruling elite over there who, if memory serves, have dragged us to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and whose current leader have shipped the bust of Winston back to us immediately he set foot in the oval Office, and is telling us now to remain in the Brussels monstrosity. Nuffsaid?

    PS (not a third thing):

    Your stance on the creed is admirable, but about as doable as teaching pigs fly. Please, consider, how does one eradicate an idea held by generations over 14 centuries, followed currently by 1.5mn people? A brain transplant of biblical proportion, sterilisation, shipment to the moon? Hmmm

  81. Everything is explained here to Barbour and Schama’s satisfaction – Oh, and congratulations to all four speakers and the moderator for not mentioning that the New World Order might be behind ISIS and the assault on the West – very Question Timely:

    “Abubakar Shekau — a man whose name would be forgotten by history — came to Muhammad with the issue, “Oh apostle, peace be upon you,” he began, “Some of the brothers feel uncomfortable about raping the chattel women in front of their captive husbands….” ”

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/184342/sec_id/184342

  83. Baron (00:36)

    You feed him by engaging him in conversation. Talk ABOUT him if you must. With foul invective. If you give him an inch we get three yards of Shite in return!

    The Colonel, EC, Noa, me, and others want him blackballed. Only you seem interested in giving him house room.

    Your ‘second’ issue:

    “Please, consider, how does one eradicate an idea held by generations over 14 centuries, followed currently by 1.5mn people? A brain transplant of biblical proportion, sterilisation, shipment to the moon? Hmmm”

    I have no interest in doing so. I just don’t want the murderous Muslim maniacs taking over here. I therefore accept that there’s is a war on and the enemy can go fuck themselves, all of them, including the ones who are pretending they are not. And if I offend a few who would sincerely like the status quo ante circa 1979 to be sustained, so be it. We can’t take any chances. And one of the best friends I ever had, went to Mecca regularly to appease his religious obligations. As he’s now passed, I’ve been relieved of the duty to inform him of feelings for his religion and my country.

    Had he publicly dumped his Koran and pledged alliegance to the Crown in all circumstances, before he popped his clogs, I may have allowed him special dispensation. But with a weather eye open. Sorry. No prisoners! They want death? I’ll go with that. Let’s give to them in droves. Captn Dan has the right idea.

  84. Colonel Mustard @ 1:19

    That narrows the field a bit. I would say he is a Kevin.

  87. Malfleur (02:32)

    A shrewd guess. Bwaaahahaha! The age factor would Indicate that too.
    Kevin it is. No more tele. In future, can we all agree, it’s Kevin. That should deter the slug. But then – what if it’s Kate Hudson??

  88. Just watched Ted Krutch’s victory speech with the mute button engaged. I now remember who he reminds me of. Punch, of Punch & Judy. His nose and chin meet every time his nods in agreement with his own statements. His missus has just joined him – perfect. Ringers – both. Ugly pair.

    I just lip read one of his sentences – “That’s the way to do it!”

  90. Frank P @ 03:12

    Alex Jones on his Tuesday show discloses that Ted Cruz’s phone number is on the Washington Madam’s client list. Btw that lady died shortly after appearing on Jones’s show some years back.

    First hour is at the following link:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKdzIgnYsoY

    Infowars investigative journalist, Wayne Madsen, is looking at this Cruz story. The names of the persons on the Madam’s list are subject to a court order forbidding their disclosure, but the lawyer working with Madsen may make public the name in this specific case on the ground of public interest.

    Madsen is also investigating the death of Justice Scalia. Watch this space….

    The Friday show also has its Vatican correspondent update listeners on the campaign to implode Europe’s sovereignty.

  91. Baron 2215
    The problem with the Ruskies is not what they do only but also what they do not do. Since the Wall came down they have been given every opportunity to engage with ourselves, Europe and America. But the response has been truculence and threats.
    More often than not they oppose our proposals at the UN Security Council. They orchestrated attempts to neutralise resolution 1441 immediately after it passed and that has been used as a stick against our government every time Iraq is discussed.
    Then we come to the Crimea, dear to our souls. Enough said.
    And then Syria. Instead of cooperating with the West they go it alone and this includes bombing those moderate forces that we have armed and which we support.
    Any actions we make to Westernise the former East European Nations is taken as a sign of hostility despite this being the democratic will of the people.
    They are not team players and cannot be trusted. Putin is a modern Ivan. I would say a modern Stalin but he uses Polonium rather than show trials.

  93. OK, it looks like I’m unable to comment on the “Vote Leave” leaflet.

    Both last night and this morning my comments on this have disappeared into the void, and when I try reposting I get the old “Duplicate comment” message.

  94. EC (10:08)

    I found something similar when I tried to research the people behind it. I got as far as the Social Affairs Unit at one stage (through an indirect link) but then my tablet crashed. Can’t believe that SAU (or Civitas, which is connected), would want to be underhanded. Strange affair, did everyone receive the leaflet or just those who have shown an interest? The People’s Pledge sent me a message too yesterday, claiming credit for the EU Referendum. Matthew Elliot of Taxpayers Alliance has an indirect connection to the address on the leaflet. My only question is, why the coyness? It’s time all the ‘Leave” factions swallowed their differences and became a full-on drive. If we don’t take this window of opportunity, bye bye Britain. It may already be too late.

    Now I must catch up with the fiasco over the Pond. It looked pretty grim when I abandoned ship last night. ☺

  95. Has anyone else noted that when Hilary is trying to emphasis her utterances, her right hand moves like a darts player’s – aiming for double top, while her eyes say that she just landed in the ‘one’. She looks a bit like Jockie Wilson too, except he always had the decency to shave before a public appearance.

  97. Emulous @ 09:07

    “Since the Wall came down they have been given every opportunity to engage with ourselves, Europe and America.”

    This is to be economical with the truth.

  98. “Vote Leave ” is the vehicle of official Labour and ID Smith and other cabinet ministers.

    “Leave UK” is the GO >> campaign supported by UKIP and Labour rebels.

  99. Malfleur.

    Every Madam, not to mention every hooker, in Washington keeps a full list of serving senators in their address books just in case the DC cops decide to screw up the social arrangements in Georgetown. It’s called insurance. I would hate to see Crutz win the nomination, but I doubt that snippet will derail his train.

    Scalia ate and drank himself to death FFS. Way to go!

  104. Frank P @ 11:34

    Cruz and Scalia

    More of your “no credible evidence” shite before a credible investigation has been conducted, huh?

    We shall see.

    By the way, Leo Zagami, Infowars “Vatican correspondent” has some interesting angles from his perspective on Trump, Scalia, Cruz etcetera during the 2nd Hour of the AJ Show on Tuesday 5th April at:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWYK_tEICek&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_2129181761&src_vid=wKdzIgnYsoY

    The black secret society of which Scalia was a member and which was generated by the Bohemian Grove and which, by coincthanidence of course, Justice Scalia just happened to be sharing St. Valentine’s Day with than with his wife, is also linked to the Bilderberg Club, or so Signore Zagami indicates. The Kray brothers may have been pretty nasty pieces of work, but we are looking at the grand stage now, no longer two dimensional, and really have to up our game.

    “Scalia ate and drank himself to death FFS.”

    Oh reALLY?! And just what is your credible evidence for that? How is it you like to put it?: Bwaaahahaha!

  105. From today’s letters in the DT:

    SIR – If, as the Prime Minister asserts, it would be reckless to leave the EU, was it not reckless and irresponsible of him to offer the nation a referendum on the matter in the first place?

    Dr Tim Cantor
    West Malling, Kent

  108. Emulous
    April 6th, 2016 – 09:07

    May I commend the following guide to geo-politics to inform your perspective of US, Russian and European relationships?

    Chapter 4 ‘The Black Hole’ is particularly insightful on the US view of Russia’s post USSR role in European and world affairs.

    “Generally speaking, three broad and partially overlapping geostrategic options, each ultimately related to Russia’s preoccu- pation with its status vis-a-vis America and each also containing some internal variants, can be said to have emerged in reaction to the Soviet Union’s collapse. These several schools of thought can be classified as follows:
    1. priority for “the mature strategic partnership” with Amer- ica, which for some of its adherents was actually a code term for a global condominium;
    2. emphasis on the “near abroad” as Russia’s central concern, with some advocating a form of Moscow-dominated eco- nomic integration but with others also expecting an even-
    interview In Rossiyskaya Gazeta, January 12,1992.
    THE BLACK HOLE 99
    tual restoration of some measure of imperial control, thereby creating a power more capable of balancing Amer- ica and Europe; and
    3. a counteralliance, involving some sort of a Eurasian anti- U.S. coalition designed to reduce the American preponder- ance in Eurasia.”
    http://govtslaves.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Zbigniew-Brzezinski-The-Grand-Chessboard.pdf

  109. Malfleur

    Keep buying Alex’s vitamin pills. They appear to have hallucinogens as part of the constituents. Legal ‘highs’ of course.

    Woods and trees, young fella.

  110. Malfleur.

    It was noticeable the Panama Papers reporting all started by linking Putin,although there is no direct connection.
    Breitbart lists the connections of Soros and other left groups to the Journalists involved.

    http://bit.ly/1S2vvB6

  111. To be fair the first contact for the Panama Papers was made to a reporter at the Suddeutsche Zeitung—-although it isn’t known why this was chosen.
    The found themselves overwhelmed with what turned out to be 2.6 Terabytes of information (what ever they are ) : 11.5 million documents about 214,000 shell companies.
    It was they who took it to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ)……and news companies have been working on this in confidence for the past year…mainly European media including the Guardian and the BBC.

    A great deal of information in English is available at the Suddeutsche Zeitung.

    http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/en/

  113. The government is spending £9:3m to send propaganda leaflets to every household in the UK singing the praises of the EU. Why doesn’t the purple-faced oleaginous, hen’s arse mouthed lying shit-bag of a ‘prime minister’ draw some of his own dosh from offshore, if he’s that keen on propagating bullshit. Message to the PM. I don’t want your leaflet, wanker. Those that are ignorant of the facts about one of the biggest scams in the history of international affairs should use their mobile phones to surf the internet, instead of sexting each other. The facts are all there. Then vote to leave the rip-off, come June 23rd. Get the fuck out!

    Is there no limit to the arrogant effrontery of these snake oil film flam operators. Jesus H Christ!!

  114. flim-flam! You ignorant auto-corrector techies. Squeeze your zits and take an English language course, which includes American colloquialisms for crooks!

  115. Noa

    I’m watching the Dutch gathering. No subtitles. Can’t speak Dutch. Some wanker from ‘Greenpiel’ (Greenpeace??) is waffling on at the moment. Heard Nigel’s name mentioned. He hasn’t appeared yet. The audience is obviously hostile to Brexit. Perhaps he can convert ’em? I shall patiently wait. Thanks for the heads up. It can’t be worse than The Beeb or Sky News today. Dire!

  116. I’m going through the same nauseous rubbish Frank. The link from Nigel Farage said he’s be speaking at 6.20pm. It all seems a bit informal, ho hum…

  117. Hope Nige doesn’t address them in Dutch. I guess he’s multi-lingual?
    Has he gone awol? He was named, then a fanfare, looks of expectation stage left. No show! Hmmnn.

    Where’s EC when he’s needed? ☺

  120. Still no show! Everybody scratching their arses and looking puzzled! Some big butch blonde bird standing centre looking as though she’s gonna bite somebody’s head off. ☺

    I’m Chrome casting it on to the parlour telly. Memsahib getting restless.

    Perhaps somebody has sabotaged his wheel nuts again.☺

    Press in attendance. Balloons everywhere, bunting on the ceiling. Obviously a piss-up intended (whether or not he turns up).

  121. “International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ)”

    How depressing. Unlikely to be found investigating the tentacles and scams of international socialism and resurgent communism I suppose.

  122. Noa,

    For the result to be binding the total turnout in the Dutch referendum has to be >30%
    According to Geert Wilders 10mins ago they have scraped over the line with 32%
    That is good news as the votes against are 64% according to exit polls.

    As Nigel said, a NO vote will be a great boon to the BRexiteers. The EU will almost certainly arrogantly put in a fix that will ignore the Dutch, and that will give even more ammo to our OUT campaign.

  123. Malfleur @ 14:28

    Not that the barbarian would ever say a good word for the boy when it comes to matters of politics, but on the issue of offshore companies, his dad having a an account offshore and whatever those attacking him are in the wrong. There may be quite legitimate reasons for using offshore companies, in case you’ve missed it, agencies of the government were also clients in the past.

    More to the point, unless the offshore companies are set up to evade tax, the authorities in the relevant countries know about it, no criminal money gets to pass through their account, what’s wrong with it?

    One of the judges of the past when justice was still administered here (Baron cannot recall his name offhand) had it just right: “No man is required to arrange his affairs so as to pay the largest possible amount of tax”. Quite, and the man who lives in no10 is no exception to this ruling either.

  124. EC @ 20:52

    Are you sure, EC, of the 32%? The last time Baron googled it, the turn up was said to be a fraction below 30%.

  125. Frank P @ 18:24

    We’re in a fighting mood, Frank, aren’t we.

    Well said, guru, but have a peep above at 21.45, please.

    A disclaimer: In case you suspect the poorly educated Slav of having an offshore account (or a company) of the kind under discussion you’re wrong, he couldn’t afford the lawyers fees for starters, and he would have next to FA to put into it.

  128. Radford NG @ 17:56

    Over 2.5mn PDF files on top of other documents, Radford, you reckon the barbarian has a stack of servers to download it all?

    Why aren’t there any of the big companies like Starbucks and Apple, they’re supposed to have hundreds of shell companies offshore to hide profits rather than re-patriating the money to the Republic’s jurisdiction? A foul play on the part of the leakers, perhaps, or has it been doctored before the release?

  131. Radford NG @ 17:27

    The timing of the release cannot be coincidental, Radford, the Breibart’s right, but what those leaking the stuff ignored was the pulling power of the internet. That truly surprises, most people who take interest in such things no longer trust the MSM, go to the web.

    Between you and Baron (and the frequencies that will carry it), the barbarian would run a much better campaign aimed at discrediting the KGB Colonel, what we are served here is rather amateurish, silly and quite counterproductive, it may have even pushed the ‘yes’ vote in the Dutch referendum down.

    Who the hell runs this? Malfleur should tell us, pity he’s so tied up with the Scalia case.

  132. RobertRetyred @ 13:51

    A charming letter, short but so right, and so exquisitely British, Robert, Mr. Cantor is a star.

  133. Emulous @ 09:07

    On Crimea, dear to your soul:

    Without going to google maps, name just one city or town in Crimea, tell Baron something about it.

    On Syria:

    The boy in no10 should send a letter of thanks to the KGB Colonel, he got it right on ISIL (fewer than three months of bombing and the thugs are terminally damaged), the boy’s ‘Control’ fugged up (when Obama claimed ‘we’re winning’ in the Spring of 2015 ISIL made the biggest territorial gains in Syria, the number of refugees fleeing the country was then also the highest – check on the UN site if you must).

    Btw, what are we doing in Syria? Has anyone invited us? Did the corrupt UN authorise us to go and invade a land that has never presented any threat to us? Is it our job to interfere wherever we please?

  134. Frank P @ 16:46

    Keep giving the finger instead of looking at the moon, my old bodger!

  136. Baron – 21:47

    EC @ 20:52
    Are you sure, EC, of the 32%? The last time Baron googled it, the turn up was said to be a fraction below 30%.

    Would Geert lie to ME? 🙂

  137. Frank P (ibid) on vitamin pills.

    Yes, his nutraceuticals, such as the Nascent Iodine X2, are first rate and he has just introduced a multi vitamin and mineral product, Vitamin Mineral Fusion,which when mixed with water, purified through one of his excellent filters, apparently “creates a delicious Fruit Punch flavor”. I hope to try it for myself and my family next month.

    Though for you, if I had to single out one item, I would recommend the Brain Force.

    These products have assisted Jones in self-financing, rather as Mr. Trump self-finances his daring run for president, a ground-breaking independent media operation which has 30,000,000 listeners each week.

    Remind me again how Question Time and Room 101 of the BBC are financed?

    And keep taking the meds.

  138. Congratulations!

    Dutch reject EU-Ukraine trade deal
    “Dutch voters opposed a trade deal between the EU and Ukraine by a margin of nearly two-to-one, in a result that could trigger ructions in Brussels and boost those in the UK campaigning for Britain to leave the bloc.
    Turnout breached the 30 per cent level required to force the hand of a government that had agreed to abide by the result if the threshold were passed.”
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3efd835a-fc2f-11e5-b3f6-11d5706b613b.html

  139. Radford NG @ 17:27 & 17:56

    Yes, and I am told that there are no Americans on the published list!

    Americans who are on it must be a little uneasy at those “…that have power to hurt and will do none,That do not do the thing they most do show,Who, moving others, are themselves as stone,Unmoved, cold, and to temptation slow..”.

    As to why a German newspaper should be chosen to break the story, it was only about a week ago was it not that a leading German journnalist “Dr. Ulfkotte went on public television stating that he was forced to publish the works of intelligence agents under his own name, also adding that noncompliance with these orders would result in him losing his job”.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-28/top-german-journalist-admits-mainstream-media-completely-fake-we-all-lie-cia

    Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds…

  141. Baron @ 21:45

    I agree with you, though please note that my pleasure at seeing Cameron skewered was to the letter in the DT from Dr. Cantor about the EU referencum quoted by RobertRetyred at 13:51, not to the Panama papers.

    You are paraphrasing the principle stated by Lord Tomlin in the Duke of Westminster’s case:

    “Every man is entitled, if he can, to order his affairs so as that the tax attaching under the appropriate Acts is less than it otherwise would be. If he succeeds in ordering them so as to secure this result, then, however unappreciative the Commissioners of Inland Revenue or his fellow taxpayers may be of his ingenuity, he cannot be compelled to pay an increased tax”.

  143. Baron was watching the UEFA highlights switching to BBC2 Newsnight only when two pundits were re-playing the game, hence cannot claim to get the BBC take on the story of the Dutch result in full, a Dutchman, the leader of the ‘yes’ camp was on, the one with the massive ears asked him what lessons should one learn.

    The man could think of two, first, they (the Dutch) will have to think about rising the necessary turn-up well above the 30%, the current level is too low, it makes any result undemocratic what with most people not taking part. Second, the subject of the current referendum was wrong, it confused many, the recent spotlight in the media on refugees didn’t help either.

    It’s only a guess, but Baron reckons those in power in Holland will find a way to nullify the ‘no’ vote, the Parliament will ratify whatever it is the whole charade was all about.

  144. EC @ 23:40

    How silly of the barbarian, of course he wouldn’t, you were, as always, spot on, EC.

  145. Baron

    Don’t disagree, in principle m’Lud. Anybody that’s shrewd enough to keep the government’s hands off their hard earned Jack Dash has my support, unless …it happens to be head of the shit bags who sit in plush offices and plan to rip the rest of us off by dictating the rates and rules and then taking a chunk of everything we earn, everything we spend, to fund their luxury, and then take a large extra slice for themselves by taking advantage of inside knowledge of the rules and salting it away in secret squirrel caches in the names of proxies for when they decide to put their feet up. Fuck CMD, his forebears and his heirs and successors. May he and Boy George get their comeuppance and soon. As for the £9.3m of taxpayers money for propagating the next stage of the EU scam – the cunts have more front than Ally Pally. If we had a Commissioner of Police instead of a hyphenated arse-licking political cypher, somebody would be getting their collar felt.

  146. Malfleur @ 00:19

    Excellent quote, Malfleur, thanks, it has been safely filed for future use.

    Btw, the Guardian treasure Polly Toynbee was also on the same Newsnight slot, cheerfully promoting the idea of revealing everyone’s wealth, earnings, taxes paid and contributions to charities (in that order).

    Apparently, they have it so in Sweden, everyone’s happy, no objection to it, and here, after an initial shock people would accept ti, too.

    And one wonders why the Swedes are almost always drunk (even though for the price of a bottle of whisky one can buy a Volvo, well, nearly), sport a pretty high suicide rate, are more than overjoyed to welcome our new friends from the lands of Allah.

  148. Frank P @ 00:31

    Seconded, guru, but why singling out poor Boy George?

    Btw, The boy may have made an error by siding with the ‘remain’ crowd, if memory serves Harold Wilson in 1975 (?) in the referendum on the EEC didn’t personally take sides, people got pamphlets both from the in and out gangs (Baron throw out some of the stuff only last year in a major cleansing exercise, should have kept it perhaps). If we vote ‘out’ in June can he remain in office?

  151. EC

    Having watched the Dutch get together from a faulty start to a spluttering end I thought Nigel has done a better job in the past.

    The show of hands at the beginning confused me because the audience were mainly agin Brexit, but they appeared either to misunderstand the question or were the shape of the last arse that sat on them.

    The applause during his speech was promising, but it would be nice to see his fervour on the MSM here, rather than a grainy out of sync badly produced amateur presentation in Holland. I suppose we should be thankful for small mercies. I fear that unless the out campaign consolidates and let’s Farage have his head with lots of face-time on MSM telly, the leave lobby will wither on the vine. The £9.3m stay propaganda budget is just a straw-in-the-wind. Billions will be devoted to defeating Brexit. I trust neither Boris nor Gove. One is a Turk and the other a Gramsci gremlin. Farage can do it, but I’m sure they are not going to let him.

    Did you understand the warm up chat – what’s the SP on Geenpiel? What does it mean, even?

  152. RIP Merle Haggard. Pneaumonia. Unsurprising. His latest hit with Willie, “We’re all going to pot.” Sad to see him go nonetheless. Willie will probably never pop his clogs, he’s like a side of smoked bacon. Can still pluck old Trigger and warble a melliflous ditty though. He’ll miss Merle.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6c6eUeoa9Q

    Thank the Lord for You Tube.

  153. Baron @ sparrow

    +…where are the blondes, isn’t Sweden famous for long legged, sexy blondes?”

    That was in the late 1960s, when we all wanted to go there, but weren’t quite sure where it was.

    Now we know where it was, but it’s not there anymore.

  154. Baron (00:57)

    The first picture is Christiano Ronaldo in his drag outfit. Surely you recognise him?

    The way he performed against Wolfsberg tonight indicates that he should stow his todger for a spell and spend a bit more time on the park. Zizi will get his arse handed to him in paper bag if he doesn’t get a grip of the galacticos. ☺

  158. Baron

    Sorry, just saw your question at 00:50. Can he remain after a No Vote? It will be a different country if that unlikely result occurs. With a different PM who will choose a different keeper of the purse. Will your and my life improve as a result? Not materially, but the smug sense of satisfaction will be worth the experience, at least.

  159. Footnote to the Death of MERLE HAGGARD by my vitamin pusher

    1:37:10 – Dr. Ed Group segment

    Flu shot doubles the chances of getting flu the next year and lowers your immunity and if taken 2 or 3 years running doubles chances of getting Alzheimers. Flu season late and new highs for deaths. Joined with the long-term chem trail campaign by government.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olN5_OUw9g0&spfreload=10

  160. Malfleur 11.29 why the defence of a Mafia state run by a KGB Colonel?
    Noa 1628 what I see is a post imperialist state going through contortions to justify itself while coping with a leadership that cannot decide whether it is a fascist state in the pay of the aforesaid Mafia or an authoritarian quasi communist state.
    While it decides, the leadership demonstrate their macho credentials. Physically by scoring eight ice hockey goals, tiger shooting, fighting snow leopards, fire fighting, scuba diving and bareback horse riding. And using the military to steal land in Crimea and East Ukraina and bomb the moderates in Syria.
    I listened to the Traitor Kim Philby on Monday telling us how his actions saved us from WWIII. I fear that Mr Putin might just trigger it.
    And Baron. All good Englishmen and true can name not just towns but the valleys in Crimea. Syria is being bombed by us on a Parliamentary vote which specified attack on Islamic State which had committed acts of war against us and which was using Northern Syria as sanctuary. Putin has been indiscriminately bombing anyone Assad told him to.

  161. I see in the Daily Caller that Putin has just announced his own Praetorian Guard.
    Would you believe it?
    A new Russian “National Guard” that will take over the duties of several other security agencies and will be comprised of personnel in the Russian interior ministry and headed by Putin confidant and former bodyguard Viktor Zolotov, who will report directly to the Russian president.
    Well, well well.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/06/putin-just-created-his-own-personal-army/#ixzz454A8b5Gc

  162. The prostitutes of France are the latest female identity group to be elevated to mad socialist “victimhood” status. Yet another superannuated and ghastly socialist feminist, one Maud Olivier whose personal appearance is all too predictable, has single-handedly driven her obsession through centuries of mutually beneficial private commerce that ought to be the business of no-one but the buyers and sellers. And as usual the “men” in Parliament, absolutely terrified of upsetting the strident women activists amongst them, choose appeasement over rationale.

    This seems more about extremist feminist angst demonising men as part of an ongoing narrative or agenda than about really protecting women. It is like designating drug dealers as “victims” and only criminalising the addicts who buy from them. It is virtue signalling by legislation, expressing disapproval by fine.

    Before it had a street prostitute problem France used to have well regulated brothels. Those were banned following the agitation of another dodgy feminist with a chequered past who was in the MRP (a “centrist party with right-wing voters but a left-wing policy” – so it was like the modernised Tories of Vichy Dave). The MRP needed the support of the Communists to get the ban passed into law. This cynical morality did not prevent Marthe Richard from pursuing a career writing erotic fiction after her life in politics.

  163. Watch Holland very closely to see the Eurocrat response to not getting their own way. If the referendum really changes anything I’ll be pleasantly surprised. Expect a massive push from the EU socialist mafia to delegitimise it.

  164. Colonel Mustard – 08:54

    Presumably the French have a laws prohibiting the evil trade in sex trafficking of women. Why don’t they enforce those laws?

    I don’t suppose the new law will have much impact on the Parisian elite and political classes who will continue to using their designated ‘safe’ brothels. Much the same situation in London and Washington DC, I would imagine.

    When the Nazis occupied Paris it was business as usual. As one might expect there was a strict demarkation in the class of the establishments allowed to be used by officers and other the wanks – much same with the cafes & restaurants.

    ANDY CARPARK, what say you on the Parisian situation?

  165. EC April 7th, 2016 – 10:26

    It is difficult to see how the law could be enforced at all without police entrapment or the prostitutes shopping their own customers. Police entrapment is always dodgy but in this case it would be literally conspiring to encourage a crime.

    As for prostitutes shopping customers: “I advertised stolen goods and then reported the buyer to the police for handling them”. Absolutely, 100%, Grade A barmy but the modern New Left siloing of “ishoos” facilitates the inconsistent double standard.

    Like much of the co-conspired New Left feminist disapproval banning mania masquerading as law it is intended to “send a message” and have a “chilling” effect. It is Maude Olivier on Twitter with a sanctimonious expression holding a placard saying “#Don’t Bring Our Prostitutes Back”.

    The baby boomer generation of cretinous idiots now ruling over us do not appear to understand that legislation is meant to address real crimes not create imaginary new ones. Criminalising paying for sex is not far off criminalising gamblers and describing the casinos and betting shops as their “victims”.

  167. Frank P, Mm, I’ve done it again… damn this software etc.

    the above should read, “Like Scalia, Merle…etc.”

  169. Yall still there?
    Well do not think that Donald Trump is finished after Wisconsin.
    Cruz is out of order with his crowing. Yall can see that Cruz has a serious bad case of God.
    Donald will be back at the Wyoming Caucus Saturday.
    Love to Andy. (Is he dead?)

  170. The Prostitute and the Educator

    What is the difference,
    Asked the educator,
    Between being skillful,
    Such as a prostitute,
    And being educated,
    Such as a teacher?

    Well, replied a prostitue,
    One educates skillfully,
    The other skillfully educates.

    Which is which?
    The educator responded.

    Depends, said the prostitute,
    On the pay and benefits.

    But what of Hollande?
    What indeed said the educator.

    Is Julie an educator too?
    Depends on your point of view.

  171. Just forced myself to listen to our Chief Spiv, following up the £9.3m back-hander to the ‘stay’ campaign (no, belay that! a blatant in-yer-face bung) is now doing one of his didactic lectures on what’s good for us. My ticker is in dire danger of exploding. It would serve the bastard right if everybody who wants ‘out’ arranges to dump their fucking unwelcome leaflets outside No. 10 in a massive pyre, drag the shit bag out of his office and place him on top of it and hog roast his miserable carcass.

    What a fucking huckster!!j

  173. EC (10:45)

    Heh, heh, heh. Yerrrss! I’m sure he was secretly smothered with a pillow by a competitor in the ‘medical ganja’ industry for muscling in on their new fiefdom.

    And you’re right about Willie and Chris, they should be afraid … very afraid!!

  174. EC

    If only there was a proper search function on this blog: ACP once related an amusing anecdote about his adventures in Paris, which would knit nicely into Colonel Mustard’s narrative today about the sex trade in Gay Paree.
    Haven’t got the energy for a major scroll back. Hope you’re feeling better yourself. Take care; too many of my slightly younger contemporaries are departing the mortal coil, recently. I’m beginning to feel guilty of wasting NHS resources.

  175. Emulous @ 08:50

    You write: “Malfleur 11.29 why the defence of a Mafia state run by a KGB Colonel?”

    in response to my post which was:

    “Since the Wall came down they have been given every opportunity to engage with ourselves, Europe and America.”

    which I said was a lie by you.

    That is not a defence of Russia. It is a challenge by me for you to justify what you said and show that you are not lying.

    So far you have failed to do so.

  177. Frank P – 12:52

    It all started with an interchange between yourself and ACP on Nov30 2014 regarding, bizarrely enough, Mr. Boot, David Mellor and London Cabbies! I’ve copied the relevant sections below. That week’s wall was a goldmine and the whole thing is worth perusing if you want a break from the 2016 election fever:

    http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/the-coffee-house-wall-24th30th-november/

    FROM THE VAULTS
    Andy Car Park
    November 28th, 2014 – 18:35

    I am in sympathy with Boot’s appraisal of David Mellor, who met his nemesis at the hands of the short-lived Referendum Party, requiescat in pace.
    However the canard that he wore a Chelsea shirt while rogering Antonia da Sancha was a canard perpetrated by convicted nonce, Max Clifford, as he could easily have checked.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1250907/max-clifford-mellor-reacts-to-guilty-verdict

    Frank P
    November 28th, 2014 – 19:36

    Andy Car Park;
    Agree with both your literary review of Alex’s piece on Mellor and with the qualification. I met Mellor a couple of times professionally when he was Home Officer Minister. He has a good analytical brain and did some excellent work in providing resources for OC investigation. But he was, of course, always the politician and, as history shows, a hard-on Hubris is always punished by the Nemesisian bucket of cold piss. He’ll survive though! And I have a little less sympathy with the image of ‘yer ‘onest London black cabbie’ than Alex – and as portrayed by Jack Rosenthal. Most knew myriad excuses for keeping the clock ticking and had an unerring eye for avoidable snarl-ups. A few ran ‘brothels on wheels’ and colluded with the toms to rip-off punters. Money first, then out through the offside door in traffic, aided and abetted by the ‘mush’. But then – as a Prince of the City, you know this only to well, me ol’ mukka.
    OTOH they also were some of the best snouts on the patch. And of course lots of Old Bill took it up as a second career. Now THAT was a useful addition to law ‘n’ order. 🙂

    Andy Car Park
    November 30th, 2014 – 00:16

    Frank P, November 28th, 2014 – 19:36
    This is just a brief nocturnal check-in but thanks for that sample of London lore. Anything involving mobile knocking shops has the ring of truth and goes straight into the dossier. 🙂

    Frank P
    November 30th, 2014 – 01:42

    Tut, tut, Andy! ‘RING of truth?’ How could you doubt any element of my testimony regarding my diligent days as a Peace Ossifer of Our Dear Lady HM QEII. Rest assured that before I post any recollection of London life in these hallowed annals ( please note both nn’s), I hold up my King James version and swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but …
    And before you consult your dossier and cunningly point out that I have in the past confessed to agnostic proclivities – that’s neither here nor there! The very act of so swearing still entitles even Doubting Thomas to the penalty of porridge for perjury. Would I lie to you?

    Andy Car Park
    November 30th, 2014 – 22:49

    Frank P
    November 30th, 2014 – 01:42
    I was not misdoubting your veracity so much as explaining my own magpie mind. Let’s suppose I keep a file entitled ‘mobile knocking shops’. I have actually patronised one such establishment in Paris, ‘Bus des Dames’, which consisted of a proper London Routemaster bus, gate-kept by a Parisian ponce with a droopy moustache, smoking a Gauloise.
    That meant that your mention of a London counterpart in the form of a black cab found its proper place in the file, or had the ring of (poetic) truth. On the self-regarding assumption that you could give a sh1t, I don’t remember much, good or bad, about the trick, save that there was a zoo nearby. After zipping up I went in, sat on a bench and watched the monkeys swinging around.

    Frank P
    December 1st, 2014 – 00:43

    Andy Car Park (22:49)
    You paint a word picture of gay Paris as vivid as any produced by the deft brushes of Henri de Toulouse Lautrec himself. And I bet he never tucked himself on the rear seat of a big six-wheeler scarlet painted London Transport diesel-engined 97 horsepower omnibus (even a recycled clapped out version acquired by a frog souteneur for the purposes of peripatetic prostitution) to record the transaction between a randy London city slicker and une fille de joie.
    No doubt in your post coitus relaxation at the menagerie you contemplated on just how little we have each progressed beyond our mutual forebears of the little simian sods you observed indulging in onanistic pleasures to break the monotony of their miserable captivity. All a question of degree, non? Plus ca change …

  178. Grand National this weekend. Must study the r/r and the odds. My annual flutter. Any inside tips, chaps or chapesses?

  179. Frank P – 12:52

    At least the Flu has gone, thanks.
    The bloody thing knocked me out for five days.

  180. EC (15:03)

    Thanks for that me old mukka! Your technical retrievable capabilities are a joy to behold. Those were the days! And as I remembered, apropos to the Colonel’s more serious musing. Though I don’t doubt that if the Colonel were to open his own scrap book of – er – post)prandial reminiscences, it would be a best seller.☺

  182. Pace Baron, I really don’t spend much time on this because most of the evidence has been destroyed or suppressed. Scalia died with a pillow over his face at a ranch run by a major Obama supporter hosting a meeting of a weird secret society which put children’s beds outside each guest’s room following which the Supreme Court UNANIMOUSLY voted down a challenge, by Texans arguing that their voting power was being diluted, against illegal immigrants and other non-citizens being counted when states draw their legislative districts.

    Trump comes on twice on this Monday April 4th Michael Savage Show:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYJSGnjdFbU

  187. We could have a sweepstake on where next, though that suggestion would be rated much much worse than a terrorist attack, with hundreds dead and injured:
    JERUSALEM – Europe is flooded with hundreds of jihadists ready to strike, Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon (pictured) said on Wednesday.
    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/04/07/israeli-defense-minister-says-hundreds-of-jihadists-ready-to-attack-european-targets

    And if the perpetrators were born in the country where the attack took place, it wouldn’t count: nothing to do with the current EU dysfunctionality and INTDWI.

  188. Malfleur: Once there was G7. Then without reference to the fact that their economy was not strong enough, we invited Russia in and created G8. Subsequently there were overtures of cooperation from the EU, the Council of Europe, NATO and OSCE, all either spurned or shrouded with such conditions that no way forward could be found. We have to face it that the Ruskies are not like us and do not wish to play footsie with us.

  189. And it is not just Putin and cronies that are culpable for offshore fraud, Robert Peston has just got Cameron to confess that he and Sammy were at it to the tune of 30 Grand. No wonder he provoked Gove and Boris today over leaflets.

  190. ‘Your vote means NOTHING’ Brussels insists land grab plot WILL go ahead despite Dutch ‘no’
    EUROPEAN UNION leaders were tonight plotting to override the democratic wishes of the Dutch people and plough ahead with a rejected plan to tighten their grip on Ukraine.
    “Arrogant Brussels politicians insisted the plot to bring Kiev further into their sphere of influence will go ahead, even though it was last night overwhelmingly rejected by the Dutch people.

    Germany’s Angela Merkel told journalists the Dutch ‘no’ vote will be “managed as we have managed other difficult issues before”, whilst French president Francois Hollande said the EU will “implement and apply” the rejected treaty.

    And EU President Jean-Claude Juncker today expressly REFUSED to rule out steamrollering the Dutch people’s democratic rights and enforcing the deal on them anyway.”
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/659147/Dutch-referendum-EU-leaders-Ukraine-deal-Netherlands-no-vote-Juncker-Merkel-Hollande

    And Cameron still wants us to Remain!

  191. Frank P @ 14:58

    What the unshaven commander failed to tell us, Frank, is how are his troops going to get close enough to the shores of the Republic to fight it. Are they taking swimming lessons or what?

  192. RobertRetyred @ 21:10

    The Mutti gets it right, Robert, they’ll deal with this ‘difficult’ issue of the plebeians disagreeing with the anointed the way they’ve dealt with similar ‘difficult’ issues in the past, they’ll ignore it. Simples.

    How could anyone back the ‘remain’ gang beggars belief.

  193. Colonel Mustard @ 11:45

    The postings below the tweet are superb, Colonel, most of them, the one Baron likes most was from a guy who says if only 0.006% voted against it (wrong anyway), then for it was only 0.003%.

    The wit and wisdom of the masses cannot be bettered.

  194. Colonel Mustard @ 08:54

    How does one get elevated to the ‘status of victimhood’, Colonel? Would reading the MSM qualify?

    Baron is willing to submit his blood pressure readings taken immediately after he’s scanned just a couple of the dailies online, the Boots’ gadget seldom fails to register a noticeable hike.

  197. Tremulous at 20:02 is suggesting that Mr. Cameron is “culpable for [sic] offshore fraud”.

    Would you like to be a bit more specific than elaborating that the Prime Minister and his wife “were at it” in describing the specific nature of the crime?

  198. Reports in today’s press suggest that solicitors for PIL may be struck off. Not before time, but there are questions which need to be answered. Why was this situation allowed to develop in the first place? Why was this firm given taxpayers money to persecute our troops? And why why was this situation permitted to develop in the first place?

    It disgusts me that our boys were not protected in law from the start, sent by politicians who have no knowledge of the military and no understanding of the wider World, to risk their lives in situations which have no strategic value to this country, and if they are fortunate to return home safely, give a troop of shyster lawyers public money to shoot them in the back. God, but I despise what this country of ours has become.

  199. Is ‘Tremulous’ another telemachus sponsored false-flag sockpuppet like ‘Jennifer Oldham’?

  203. I had planned a rest but woke up to a 23.36 Google Alert
    Like, I guess Mallfleur(two ‘l’s), Fregus Pickering, Mynydd, Fabian_Solutions, John Jefferson Burns, Emulous and probably others which you have libellously hurled since “Bonsoir, old thing, cheer-i-o, chin, chin, Nah-poo, toodle-oo, Goodbye-ee.”

  205. PS Haven’t promised to leave and return as many million times as you have, “old thing”.

    “I shall now retire
    *
    Google alerted me to do a bit more stalking
    *
    I shall now retire
    *
    Google alerted me to do a bit more labelling”

    Etc., etc. Ad nauseum.

  206. Lots of talk about super-injunctions in the British media, Littlejohn all self-righteous and nobody knows who it concerns.

    In other news, Elton John and his husband are trending on Twitter, but I don’t know how many Jets there were, so Bennie and the Jets might be four-handed or more!

    You ‘ave to laugh, don’t you.

  207. 7.16 & 7.20
    You set up Google Alerts to allow you to defend yourself
    They are neither stalking or trolling
    I forgot in my list Dalai Guevara, Euro Jesus and Nick Hadj… that you and others have falsely accused me of
    I do of course have some good friends that sometimes code share, some in homage, but I have not mentioned these

  208. Re: CMD’s EU propaganda pamphlet – produced at public expense.

    Somebody, somewhere on the internet yesterday, I cannot remember who, suggest that we strip it of any identifying marks and post it back to CMD c/o No 10 – without the stamp!

    When I get copy, I’ll send it back with RESIGN writ large in indelible black ink!
    I may even append the following…
    “You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately… Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”

    …which is, after all these years, still applicable to the majority of the self-serving bastards of all parties in the HoC, but especially apt for dhimmi Dave and his kitchen cabinet of old Etonian spivs!

    Ironically it’s HMQ that should now be sending for Col. Richard Kemp!

    [NB. Returning junk mail to sender in their own reply paid envelopes is also quite useful, at the same time quite satisfying. Make it cost ’em!]

  209. “You set up Google Alerts to allow you to defend yourself”
    &
    “I do of course have some good friends that sometimes code share, some in homage…”

    Fuck me, there’s a bad case of paranoia and megalomania if ever I saw one! That combined with narcissism and/or schizophrenia depending upon how one interprets the second quote.

    The men in white coats should be sent around to teleTW10 as a matter of urgency!

  210. Clear memories.
    In that gruesome little get together you can see why lots of olive oil was necessary as nothing seems to have been lubricating naturally.

  212. “I do of course have some good friends that sometimes code share, some in homage, but I have not mentioned these”

    Understatement of the year. Code share FFS! You missed out masquerading as David Lindsay with the black labrador avatar (what a giveaway), “telemachus associates” with the batsman avatar and of course your various Common Purpose disguises with the helmsman statue.

    “Accusing” you of being “someone” is pointless. You are a shape shifter and God knows what lies behind your obsessive campaign to harass and disrupt conservative safe spaces or how many identities you resort to in your self-appointed mania for stalking and labelling those whose politic views differ from yours.

  214. Radford NG – 10:28

    Thanks. 🙂 I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Jeremy Clarkson is housesitting having been asked to leave his own Cotswold pile.

  215. Radford NG – 10:28

    Waterloo House: you are not making this up? 🙂

    Apparently not!

  216. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/07/panama-papers-david-camerons-worst-week-as-prime-minister/
    Malfleur
    In April 1997 the boy bought units in Blairmore for £12,497 and sold them in January 2010 for £31,500. Blairmore was identified in the Mossack papers as one of those using the firm to set up offshore trusts. Furthermore he has already inherited £300,000 from the owner of Blairmore, Ian his father. Who knows how much more offshore money he stands to inherit in due course. This is troughing worthy of the best politicians the world over. We are now truly led by Jacob Cameron Zuma.

  217. RobertRetyred – 12:36

    Dave’s constituency office is in Witney, but his Cotswold home is in Chipping Norton. In happier days it was the scene of many a Sunday and Christmas lunch spent with the Brooks, Clarksons and Murdochs. CMD’s may or may not be rented out at present.

    Emulous – 12:44

    You must be on your guard lest you succumb to The Politics of Envy. An unpleasant, wholly negative, destructive and sadly rather prevalent British trait normally associated with socialists and Old Labourites.

    I don’t see why inheriting money, marrying into money or coming into to money(*) should disbar one from public office. The front benches of the Lab/Con/LibDem cabal would be empty. However, “never having had a proper job” should disbar one, having much the same effect on the front benches in the current HoC.

    The destruction wreaked by these consensus politicians who have “never had a proper job” on democracy and the nation state is only too apparent in the UK, Sweden, Holland, Germany, France, USA, Greece etc. etc. etc.

    (*) not the same as previous 😉 eg. lottery/pools winners!

  219. Tremulous April 8th, 2016 – 12:44

    So who is your preferred party leader? Corbyn?

    Vichy Dave arouses much animosity in me but none of it directed towards his private financial dealings which seem akin to bears crapping in the woods in terms of their shock value. Only £31,500 and £300,000? Peanuts in the rarified world he inhabits.

  221. Colonel Mustard – 23:36 et seq.

    I think that you got “him” banged to rights there! Of all the things “he” could have justifiably took Cameron to task about, it was his private wealth he went with. The politics of envy goes right to the core of lefties. It is a marker as reliable as a DNA fingerprint.

  222. Trying to escape the Panama Papers and unTrumping of Trump , I surfed the channels for some escapism and fell across Mrs Miniver (so to speak) in glorious black and white (before moral relativity took over).

    It immediately took me back to nascent urges of childhood when Greer Garson and Teresa Wright provoked fantasies still not understood – and the memories of air-raid sirens, the rubbery smell of gas masks; hiding under the kitchen table because, as my Dad would proclaim, “You’ll be safer there if Adolph drops his guts!”

    Walter Pidgeon was the roll model for fathers and Bernard Lee was an extra in the pub – and not even on the cast list.

    While rooting out the film details on the intertubes I came across this review, which gives a flavour of the times and a fairly accurate, if somewhat romantic, account of its value as a propaganda tool.

    Then of course I mused on the comparison, between it and yesterday’s £9.3m worth of crap propaganda, not to mention the ironical comparison of intent of the Prime Minister of yesteryear and today’s wanker:

    https://crystalkalyana.wordpress.com/2015/11/08/mrs-miniver-1942/

    “Those were the days!”

    Complete bollocks, of course, but we believed it then. ☺

  223. Tremulous @ 12:44

    I did ask you to be specific about the “offshore fraud” which you allege Mr. Cameron to have committed. You have not yet done so. Which particular legal provision are you saying Mr Cameron breached?

  224. 716,720,1041
    Last word on this. The whole point of my posts was to say that the only pseudonyms telemachus has used here are Jennifer Oldham and long ago Patriccia Shaw. In the very early days when telemachus as a name was barred I posted as leviathan. Peter keeps a keen eye on email and IP addresses will confirm this and indeed his detective work led to the outing of these.
    telemachus now posts here only as telemachus and mostly as tele at Speccie but does use other pseudonyms at Guido, DT, Left Foot Forward, LabourList etc
    Google alerts are to protect my integrity

  225. Every time the “integrity” of Tremulous is challenged up pops telemachus as though on cue!

    Hilarious. If it’s just a coincidence it is a very amusing one.

  226. Not difficult for an established perpetrator of disguise and hoaxes to post from different email and IP addresses, especially one who “code shares”.

    But soft, what further lies are being told? He now admits that “Jennifer Oldham” was just a pseudonym. At the time the subterfuge was discovered a different assertion was made:-

    “telemachus
    August 26th, 2015 – 13:18
    I know Jennifer
    It was my goodself that suggested she post here
    I also know that she is a member of the Tory Party”

    Might we please have clarification as to which of these explanations we are expected to believe and what, if “Jennifer Oldham” was just a pseudonym, was the purpose of posting under two names, one of which was pretending to be a member of the Tory Party?

    http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/the-coffee-house-wall-24th30th-august/

  228. “Google alerts are to protect my integrity”

    A lying duplicitous, multi persona succubus has integrity?

    Bwahahaaaaaaaaa!

  229. You-know-who loses a comrade. Tariq Ali calls for Brexit (as does the Transport Union) : pours scorn on the idea of Europe being endangered by fascism ; says that is cuckooland. ( Breitbart )

    http://bit.ly/22i83Wc

  230. The Channel 4 new Assed Baig story where ridiculously inappropriate terms like “Uncle Tom” and “house muslim” (FFS) have been used just shows how far American race issues which should have absolutely no relevance or context here have been imported into the UK.

    This proto-racial segregation has been stoked up by the left on behalf of their sponsored “victim” groups. It is nasty, divisive stuff which is going to lead to serious sectarian strife.

  231. Colonel Mustard @ 14:04

    That’s exactly Baron’s take on it, Colonel.

    The boy dug a hole for himself with his rants both when in opposition and later in government accusing people who avoid tax as ‘unpatriotic, injurious to the country’s interests, immoral’.

    This is nonsense, the government has enough lawyers to draft laws tight enough to prevent leaking of tax revenues by both individuals and companies. No moral obligation exists in tax affairs, it’s a morality vacuous enterprise, one is at liberty to arrange one’s tax affairs so as to keep as much of one’s earnings and wealth as is legally doable.

    Many newspapers, the DT in particular, run massive column inches on how to do it, not than long ago there was a double page spread on how to set up trusts both here and offshore with all the pros and cons, nobody has questioned it.

    The risk the boy’s running is in that he wasn’t and still probably isn’t totally honest about his farther’s company, how it operated when he was a shareholder. Baron isn’t up to speed on it, but knows that in the past (certainly up to around the end of the last century), it was possible for people to set up a shell company offshore, put money into it, made it non-domicile. Any money the company made would escape UK taxes unless the money was transferred to the UK.

    There were ways however to move this untaxed money into the UK. One could travel to the offshore country, withdraw the cash, stuff it into a briefcase, come back. Or one could find a UK individual or a company that needed to make a payment offshore, pay the bill for it from one’s offshore account, get reimbursed in the UK by the UK company from its UK account. Today, any such shenanigans would be illegal, but who knows what the tax wizards in the private sector have come up with since. It’s a never ending battle between it and the Treasury.

  232. John birch @ 16:26

    But no news about the police making a visit to whoever it was who set up the page, and those who ‘liked’ it, John?

  233. Malfleur @ 15:45

    The barbarian has given up responding to our cumrydly contributor, Malfleur, he mostly regurgitates what the MSM print, what’s the point reading the same argument twice.

  234. A prayer (received fro a friend, then slightly amended by Baron):

    Dear Lord, the past couple of years have been very sad for me. You have taken

    my favourite actor Alan Rickman,
    my favourite horror actor Christopher Lee,
    my favourite comedian Robin Williams,
    my favourite singer Joe Cocker,
    my favourite writer Jackie Collins
    my favourite presenter Sir Terry Wogan

    and now also Ronnie Corbett.

    I just want you to know that my favourite politicians are Tony Blair, Jeremy Corbyn, Jacob Zuma, Obama, the Clinton woman, and that stupid bitch from Scotland.

    Amen.

  239. Frank P @ 00:18

    Not his usual best, Frank, he can obfuscate, befuddle and fluff around as well as the man he kicks.

    The key point of the leak was to implicate Putin. In this it was an abysmal failure, Frank, his name doesn’t appear anywhere. To tar him through association seems amateurish in the extreme.

    The man, Luke Harding, who ‘studied’ the documents with others for almost a year holed up somewhere in the Guardian building was on a comedy programme today. He was asked who leaked it twice, avoided the questions. The barbarian would be massively disappointed in the CIA had they failed to comb the documents thoroughly before ‘the leaker’ approached the Süddeutsche Zeitung).

    As Baron said before the KGB Colonel had no need for any Panama accounts, finito. Amazing Mr. Boot doesn’t get it.

    And another thing: In the initial release of the leaked documents there isn’t one single American. How come? Are all rich and super rich US burghers of such high probity not one has had an account tucked away from the prying eyes of the US jurisdiction ever? Hmmm

  240. Frank P @ 00:33

    If the aliens are powerful enough to prevent WW3, it should be child’s play for them to get rid of our politicians, Frank. Shouldn’t someone ask them?

  243. Baron
    April 8th, 2016 – 23:56

    Yeah man, it’s Blair’s Law dude. He’s kinda the blogosphincter of theTubgirl of the blogosphere

  244. Frank P @ 01:31

    As a Christian libertarian and a descendant of the passengers on the Mayflower, Mr. Jones, I am sure, asks for that every day on his knees; but he is not asking the aliens, whom he fears control those politicians.

    We used to have a word for those aliens in the English language, once upon a time.

  245. ALEX JONES SHOW Friday April 8

    Why do the aliens want destabilisation using an islamic threat and will they bugger it up and bring down themselves and the West? See the interview in the first hour with James Wesley Rawles, a former U.S. Army Intelligence officer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LOIKCgDov0

  246. Hey Frank, this dude Rawles is also a prepper and a Trump supporter – how weird is that?!

  247. The Establishment pulls together
    *
    Charles Moore (Eton 1974) has a story about The Archbishop of Canterbury (Eton 1970) which has been cooking for a year or two
    *
    David Cameron (Eton 1981) is in a spot of personal bother over his offshore accounts increasing daily
    *
    Until Saturday 9 April when Charles uses the House Journal to relieve him

  248. The petition re the £9m mailshot going well. Getting over 1000 sings an hour just now. Even got a BBC mention. Looking forward to sending mine back to Cameron in Whitney. Accidently put a cabbage leaf in so it smells nice.

  249. Malfleur – 02:04

    10/10 Top-hole! 🙂

    er… I think.
    Being an innocent country boy I just had to Google “tubgirl”, and can honestly say I wish I hadn’t! 😯

  250. Baron – 01:21

    The Aliens ARE the politicians and banksters. If you haven’t seen enough photographic evidence (CHWs passim) then Google “shapeshifters”

  251. Alexsandr – 08:36

    Careful, Alexandr. Remove all identify marks including your dabs! All Brassicas, especially if sent through the mail, may be considered Biological weapons!
    Brussel Sprouts are by far the deadliest of the species.

    I’ll be content with Cromwell’s “you’re fired” speech.

  252. The barbarian rather likes it, may even use it when an opportunity presents itself, it’s short, to the point, and resonates with truth:

    When you’re dead, you don’t know you’re dead, it’s hard only for the others. It’s the same with when you’re stupid.

    One can make it less personal, run it as ‘when one’s dead one doesn’t know ….’ but that’s too many ones, isn’t it?

  253. EC @ 09:42

    The barbarian did, thanks, EC, he wasn’t aware of it, but you meant not that the “shapeshifters are a house music production duo based in London, England. They have a recording contract with Defected Records, and were previously signed to Positiva. Max Reich is originally from …. (only joking)

  254. Things I trust more than Hillary Clinton:

    Mexican tap water
    A rattlesnake with a “pet me” sign
    OJ Simpson showing me his knife collection
    A fart when I have diarrhea
    An elevator ride with Ray Rice
    Taking pills offered by Bill Cosby
    Michael Jackson’s Doctor
    An Obama Nuclear deal with Iran
    A Palestinian on a motorcycle
    Gas station Sushi
    A Jimmy Carter economic plan
    Brian Williams news reports
    Loch Ness monster sightings
    Prayers for peace from Al Sharpton
    Playing Russian Roulette with a semi-auto pistol
    Emails from Nigerian princes
    The Heimlich Maneuver from Barney Frank
    A condom made in China
    A prostate exam from Captain Hook
    And finally….
    Bill Clinton at a Girl Scout convention

    That’s from over there, as you may have guessed, some of it is witty e.g. playing Russian roulette with a semi-auto pistol, some could have been improved e.g. a Palestinian with a big rucksack that ticks.

    One could run an ‘anglicised’ version of it as a competition to come up with the sharpest one, win a trip to Panama, a tour of the Mossack Fonseca’s offices to savour the true meaning of trust included ….

    Still, can you imagine what sort of nights the partners of that firm must have?

  256. Malfleur – 05:43

    The imposition of”electronic currency/money”
    We have been sliding down that slippery slope for some years now, The gradient is steepening such that there is no way back up. If cash is KO’d, electronic money will make slaves of us all. It’s a totalitarians dream.

  257. In the interests of excessive pedantry there is a distinction to be made between ‘shapeshifters’ who can change their physical appearance at will to resemble something else and ‘bodysnatchers’ who can inhabit and exploit a physical form which once belonged to someone else. I believe the current crop of alien-like ‘leaders’ are neither.

    The modern flying saucer phenomenon began in the late 1940s, so allowing for a period of entrance and consolidation, the alien intercession (and I use the term ‘intercession’ deliberately) with the development of human babies probably began early enough to produce the ringleaders of the 1968 revolutions. We are now well into second if not third generation of synthetic alien progeny who have made the Long March through the institutions.

    The great skill of the alien intercession in humankind on earth is that their creatures are not demonstrably alien in physical appearance and believe themselves to be wholly human. The alien elements reside only in the way that their minds work and in an ability for their thinking to be made to permeate the masses undetected. It is nigh on impossible to distinguish the original ‘leaders’ from those they have influenced to adapt to their way of thinking and both are blissfully unaware of their alien origin or manipulation.

    This is truly scary stuff for humankind and Alex Jones better eat his heart out.

  258. Being at a bit of a loose end last night, not living within striking distance of a Paris bordello, I decided to watch the new series of HIGNFY whilst being, as usual these days, stone cold sober.

    When I say “new” series, it wasn’t. It was the same old, same old tired formula. BBC agitprop disguised as a humorous topical news quiz. Last night’s bulletin containing the mandatory Tory, UKIP, Tory and USA bashing (last night it was Trump) with added pro EU lies section disguised as a True/False round. Well done Hislop, box ticked!

    If the BBC continue to piss down the backs of 4 million UKIP voters and 12 million Tory voters, their day of reckoning, and hopefully Hislop’s (*) , surely cannot be far away.

    (*) Over the years I’ve grown to detest the little turd. I wonder what Private Eye’s owner, Peter Cook, would have made of him now?

  259. Colonel Mustard (10:40)

    I doubt even that beautifully crafted exposé of the pedigree of our resident pestilent shapeshifter and his coven of commie incubi will exorcise them from this platform. Only our host has the power to achieve that and set up a Google alarum to detect future incursions. What to do? Our supplications have hitherto been in vain! Even going over his head and making a direct appeal to Archie Cuntsbury is at the moment impractical as the poor man has personal issues on his collection plate. Anyway, haven’t we long suspected that he may himself be …. ?

  260. EC (11:06)

    ” … not living within striking distance of a Paris bordello …”

    I know a fella who had a clapped out 97 horsepower London omnibus. Would it be worthwhile setting up something in your neck of the woods? It might even smoke out Andy Car Park. He’s been sadly missed of late.

  262. Like it!

    http://capx.co/in-defence-of-david-cameron-and-the-free-movement-of-capital/

    ” . . . into that vacuum in recent days has flowed misunderstanding, envy and idiocy on an epic scale. Some Labour MPs – particularly on the Corbynite flat earth left, but a few others who should know better too – have in their attacks displayed an extraordinary and terrifying ignorance of law and economics.”

    An “ignorance” that is undoubtedly deliberately contrived to inveigle large sections of the public into swallowing their agenda of polished marxist turd.

  264. The Panama Papers

    If anyone wants to make his head spin with the horrendous possibilities, then read this, including all the Comments:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-08/was-panama-papers-leak-russian-intelligence-operation

    What we do know of course is that, wherever they may park their capital, George Soros and other members of his club invest substantial funds in creating and running, directly and indirectly, organisations which are aimed at destroying our liberty, our culture, our economy, our spirit, and our lives.

  265. ANOTHER CONSPIRACY THEORY – PLEASE IGNORE IT:

    POWERFUL PEOPLE IN BRITAIN ALLOW VACCINES WHICH DAMAGE THE BRIANS OF CERTAIN CHILDREN

    “A former Government medical officer responsible for deciding whether medicines are safe has accused the Government of ‘utterly inexplicable complacency’ over the MMR triple vaccine for children.”

    “Dr Peter Fletcher, who was Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health, said if it is proven that the jab causes autism, ‘the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history’.”

    “He added that after agreeing to be an expert witness on drug-safety trials for parents’ lawyers, he had received and studied thousands of documents relating to the case which he believed the public had a right to see.”

    “He said he has seen a ‘steady accumulation of evidence’ from scientists worldwide that the [MMR] measles, mumps and rubella jab is causing brain damage in certain children.”

    “But he added: ‘There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves’….”

    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2016/04/07/boom-another-vaccine-whistleblower-steps-out-of-the-shadows/

    (H/T Public Intelligence Blog)

  266. It is typical, with regard to Soros, that his “progressive” credentials and funding of their various agencies, causes and agendas mean that the usual suspects of the clamorously righteous left turn a blind eye to his notorious short selling and ill gotten $1 billion gain in 1992, which ruined many peoples lives and livelihoods in the process, and that Cameron’s, by comparison, rather pathetic investment gains attract so much more of their ire.

    It is the same nauseous bigotry (there are no other words for it) that allows them to disregard the crimes of the Monsters of Communism and continue to celebrate and romanticise them in t-shirt, poster and placard.

    And talking of polished marxist turds I see that the resident communist loon has left another smelly Saturday morning calling card on the doorstep.

  268. Malfleur (14:09)

    You besmirch that terrible scandal by labelling it with a common or garden ‘conspiracy theory’. Melanie Phillips, among others, blew it open several years ago and got her fingers burned because she backed the Lincolnshire quack Andrew Wakefield, who was later struck off after allegations of financial jiggery-pokery surrounding his campaign.

    The heavy guns from the upper echelons of medical politics crucified him and buried the scandal in the process. The waters were muddied so much that I doubt the real facts will ever be forthcoming. Dotted lines that should never have been there were filled in and vice versa. It’s interesting to know that it has been dusted off again. Keep us posted. Vaccination and immunisation have always had collateral damage for the ‘common good’. ‘Pro bono publico’, as you so often mention, is often a ‘false flag’. Sometimes you are right. ☺

    As for the AIDS and Bovine Spongiform Encephalitis scams, what does it say again on Christopher Wren’s plaque at St Paul’s?

    Bruce Springsteen to note! ☺ Christ! Can you imagine what the Benghazis are like these days at the gatherings of the debauched heirs and successors of the children of ‘1968 generation’ (vide The Colonel’s earlier post on the subject)?

  269. Malfleur @ 13:41

    It’s one of the more believable conspiracy theories, Malfelur, thanks for alerting us to it. It may explain one or two things that occurred recently, the Americans conceding Assad doesn’t have to go amongst them.

    If the blackmail were to be effective, we should also see a move on the sanctions (if not publicly then behind closed doors), on Ukraine, too.

  270. Been looking up the Montague Browne/Welby connection.

    As you know, it’s not in my nature to be cynical, but has anybody checked to see whether Brownes estate has yet been settled? Two dodgy marriages and only one child (a mamzer, to boot) allegedly – and a pedigree going back to medieval English and Scottish Kings, there could easily be some ‘ishoos’ here (some of which are bordering on the incestuous, given the pedigree also of Archie’s birth mummy). Even in the best regulated houses, as my old granny used to mutter. YCMIU. In fact you don’t have to, real life is much more interesting than fiction.

    As the old saying goes, “It’s a wise man that knows his own father.”

    Having just watched a box-set of the Nordic Noir series “The Legacy”, it’s apparently a wise woman who knows her own daughter in Denmark.

  272. Frank P @ 15:05

    The bard couldn’t do anything but mirror what England was all about when the first of the Elizabeths reigned, Frank, population grew massively what with no major warring, but was still just around 4mn when she left the throne. Britain’s an island, mixing with distant genes seldom happened, travel wasn’t easy inland either, walking slows one down, but bonking was as much in vogue as it is today, incest (sib-leger) wasn’t illegal, the nights were long, it wasn’t that uncommon for a brother and his sister to get overcome, or the mother sleeping with her son.

    Baron isn’t quite sure of it (you, the Colonel or others may help), but even by the end of the 19th century it was possible to marry one’s first or second cousin here. Real incest was becoming taboo by then, it hasn’t changed yet, but give the gender fluidity admirers time, and who knows, they may extend the notion of equality to sex in an enlarged family, too, and why not when many families change fathers and mothers as often as shirts.

  273. Malfleur @ 14:09

    That’s a hard one to crack, Malfleur, the barbarian has no position on it, data should be the beacon, what produces the best result for the big numbers – vaccination or no vaccination. Vested interest of those compiling the numbers clouds the issue to a point where one’s almost totally in the dark.

  274. Colonel Mustard @ 14:12

    This Hungarian tosser is the equivalent of the BBC but for the world at large, Colonel. If we could ‘castrate’ both life would return to its preferred state of gradual evolution informed by the consensus of the many, the engineering of the human soul by the few would be largely removed.

  275. Baron April 9th, 2016 – 15:45

    I believe that prior to 1908 incest was punishable as a ‘sin’ under church law in England and was linked to the various taboos in marriage law. The punishments were by way of penance but I have seen reference to a death penalty in the 17th Century which might or not be connected to Cromwell’s Puritan Protectorate.

    As far as I know the first coded act under English secular law was the Punishment of Incest Act 1908.

  276. Baron April 9th, 2016 – 15:53

    Beautifully put. I especially like that phrase “the engineering of the human soul by the few” which sums up the present imbalance perfectly.

    The visits of the communist loon are a local manifestation of the same arrogant presumption of exclusive power. He intrudes as a minority into a majority community which does not welcome his presence and presumes that his minority view should prevail over it, constrain or coerce it.

    But the securing of the power to “engineer” goes back to our disagreement over his right to have a platform in the first place. Given a platform the left seek to use it to deprive those who dissent from their orthodoxy of having one. Their worm-tongued agenda connives at and contrives that in various ways, many disguised to appear as a form of enlightened “progress” and imposing a manufactured moral intimidation on those who might dare to disagree.

    Governments have largely succumbed to this. To the extent that a conservative government must pretend to be and act as a socialist one, whilst parties that resist are shunted, linguistically, to the far right.

  277. I don’t know what P is on at 14:45 – a too liquid lunch I would imagine produced this rambling, unfocused and inaccurate blather and the crude sarcasm I employed in the heading goes right past him as it would a cross-eyed publican. Facts have never been his strong point. I don’t think, even when drunk, have I used the expression ‘pro bono publico’ on this site.

    As for ‘the Lincolnshire quack’ et seq.., I would think our “no credible evidence” sleuth might soon expect a solicitor’s letter on Dr. Wakefield’s behalf”

    “…If you’ve only heard about Dr. Wakefield on television or from other corporate media sources, you might believe that he’s some discredited quack whose supposedly disproven research was financially or otherwise deceitfully motivated. But nothing could be further from the truth — hear Dr. Wakefield tell the full truth in this powerful interview with …Jonathan Landsman, available through the Vaccine World Summit: [link]

    ‘Dr. Wakefield was right: The MMR vaccine-autism connection’ (April 7th)

    http://www.naturalnews.com/049273_MMR_vaccine_autism_Andrew_Wakefield.html

    As he may well believe, on no credible evidence, that Jones’s guests are all of them a bunch of charlatans Frank P will no doubt laugh it off when I tell him that Dr. Wakefield now lives in Austin, Texas and is expected to appear very shortly there on the Alex Jones Show. But let’s hope he tunes in.

  280. I don’t know if (Mr?) Andrew Wakefield was ever a common or garden GP but he was at one time a MRCS.

    Most GPs, in my experience, are not schooled in scientific method and even the well intentioned ones are, imo, nonetheless Quacks!

    These days I’ve noticed that GP’s have more or less abandoned their copies of the BNF and now shamelessly use Google in front of patients, when hithertofore they’ve accused patients of doing the same or believing what they’ve read in the Daily Mail!

    On the point of GP quackery I would normally seek out AWK’s guidance but alas she has abandoned ship for the summer. If you’re out there Anne, please come back!

    Andrew Wakefield would have been wise to contemplate the fate of John Yudkin before he took on the vested interests of a powerful medical establishment in bed with big pharma.

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lustig-john-yudkin

    Apologies for the source of the story above, but it is a good article, a diamond shining out the the camel’s arse that is otherwise known as the Grauniad.
    Another book for Baron’s reading list?

  281. Colonel Mustard @ 16:14

    Seconded, Colonel, and thanks for enlightening the poorly educated Slav at 16.02.

    The one thing that may console is that nothing ever lasts forever, there will come an end to the rule of the anointed, too.

  282. EC @ 17:14

    Thanks for the tip, EC, it does sound interesting, but the barbarian will have to start reading the books rather than just acquiring them, only a couple of weeks ago he took six large boxes full of nothing but books to a charity shop, his collection could still rival a medium size shop, the boss is even more obsessed. It’s hard to resist books, old ones in particular, the internet can never replace the printed matter, there’s something in books that has a magic allure linked to permanence, just imagine what would happen if one couldn’t buy batteries, electricity ceased to be available, what then?

  283. It recently came to my notice that Brussels was planing to ban the term “Spend a penny” Of course this may have been an Aprill fool leg pull, however in an age where the preposterous is not probable but inevitable I do not discount this intelligence. If this tale is true then I do not doubt that our dear leader will leap to the defense of the traditional British crap, God knows he spouts enough of it, and do not forget, our intrepid hero went to Brussels where he succeeded in quashing the proposed tampon tax. However, that should not trigger any surprise, everyone knows the man’s a c**t.

  286. Herbert Thornton (19:42)

    Interesting link. You’re probably right that if The Donald managed to get his butt on the Oval Office chair, all sorts of interesting developments would ensue.
    Can you really see that being the upshot of the current circus? I fear that at best he’ll run as a third party out of chagrin when the GOP shafts him and that means the end of America politics as it is currently defined – and a third term for Bill with the hag as his proxy. Ghastly thought. Cheer me up and convince me that Trump still has a chance, please.

    If some miracle occurs, the lefties will have to invent a new phrase for ‘trumped up charges’. OTOH, maybe not if he chooses the right AG. ☺

  288. Frank

    The mass media have been making such a constant, universal, obvious – and even hysterical – effort to brainwash everybody into believing that Trump can’t possibly be be elected that I like to believe that the population aren’t swallowing it. So I refuse to give up hope.

    Apropos Hillary becoming Bill’s proxy, I suspect that he was always Hillary’s proxy, and that if she is elected Bill can in effect retire.

    I don’t ever make it to the Munk Debates (alas).. Assuming they take always place in Toronto, my reason is that here in Victoria we’re about the same distance from Toronto as you are from Syria.

  289. Herbert

    Norfolk (UK) is looking more like Syria every day. But you’re right about Victoria, it will never become Toronto, thank G-d.

  292. Baron

    You had better stay clear of Simon Sebag Montefiore’s The Romanovs then, which is 654 pages without counting the maps, family trees, introduction, illustrations, bibliography, notes and index.

  295. Malfleur April 10th, 2016 – 00:41

    That article is poor. It refers to the “scale of the threat of terrorism” without attempting to define that in numerical terms. Most of the rest of the article is speculation with the names of a few arrested jihadis thrown in. It describes one fairly small “network” in Belgium and names an ISIS recruiter, again speculating in the form of a repeat question:

    “After the attacks police had a major question: How large was the network that participated in the attacks and were there more sleeper cells in Europe waiting to strike?”

    The first is a good question, well put, the second almost a certainty, but the article doesn’t answer them and neither have the police. The speculation and scaremongering might be useful for further curbing the liberties of the many for the transgressions of the few, or as a dogwhistle for yet more tinkering around the edges of the problem with “anti-radicalisation” or “anti-alienation” policies. Policies which are already under fire from the communities they are intended to serve.

    But there is no sign of the nettle being grasped.

  296. Colonel Mustard @ 07:41

    I agree that the article is not informative. Its significance is its suggestion that the police are shocked at the size of the jihad network.

    If they are only aware of one or two cells, and a small network in Belgium,that only makes the lack of awareness even more shocking given what we know already about the no-go districts and the demographics, ideology, provenance and appetites of the legal and illegal muslim immigrants streaming into Europe each month ovver a year or more.

    Is it credible, given the boastful justification of government surveillance of the people that better intelligence is NOT available to the police?

    This kind of article helps to set us up for when government wails “we had no idea of the scale of the problem!” for us, as you say, to ask government following the next outrage: “What further powers do you need?”

    The information actually available to government now will not of course be disclosed, except perhaps by whistle blowers, because:

    1. Government does not want to panic (or alert) the populace;
    2. The principle underlying the failure in the USA to disclose publicly the “28 redacted pages” of the 9-11 investigation.
    3. Government is not in a hurry to set about dismantling any such network until it is too late to do so successfully, which will lead of course to 4.:
    4. The “if you can’t beat them, join them” variation of the Stockholm syndrome applied on a continental scale in EU countries.
    5. The “open borders” policy of Peter Sutherland in the United Nations and other government and religious leaders and NGOs might have to be forcefully reversed.

    Who with power to grasp such nettles has an interest to do so? I find it difficult to believe that such people are merely asleep at the wheel – which would be bad enough…

  297. BAD ASS OF THE WEEK

    How to grasp a nettle: Jan Sobieski

    http://www.badassoftheweek.com/index.cgi?id=28505525333

    Of course, if the Austrians had already let the Ottoman army into the City as an indication of their multi-culturalist credentials…

    THE GREAT BETRAYAL?
    It does however put this footling business of tax avoidance by Mr. Cameron into perspective. You would have thought that his contribution to turning our ancient cathedrals into mosques would be more calculated to bring the London mob on to the streets than that if our society were healthy.

  298. “Tommy Robinson Legal Defense Fund: An Appeal
    Posted on April 7, 2016 by Baron Bodissey
    This appeal was posted on April 7, and will stay on top until Tommy’s court date. Scroll down for more recent material.

    Update: Progress reports on the appeal are being posted separately. Scroll down for more — looks good so far!

    I never thought I would be using these “Free Tommy” graphics again, but here we are, five years after his first court case, appealing once again to our readers to help Tommy Robinson’s legal defense.

    Tommy Robinson Legal FundTommy’s next court appearance is on April 14. Based on what happened to him the last time he was imprisoned, if he has to do another stretch inside he may not come out alive.

    I’m told it will cost more than £10,000 for him to engage competent legal counsel. He does not have that kind of money, so please help by clicking the graphic on the right, or this link.

    We can’t possibly raise that amount through this site alone, so I ask you spread the word by email, on forums, or on your own website.

    A few details on his case…

    The last time Tommy was in prison, he was locked up with hardened Muslim criminals who wanted to kill him. He was repeatedly attacked and beaten up, and ended up in the prison hospital more than once.

    On one occasion he was locked in a cell with several Muslim prisoners, one of whom (a Somali, if I remember correctly) was about throw boiling water in his face. Tommy acted pre-emptively, knocked the boiling water away, and beat up the man who tried to throw it on him.

    It is this incident for which he is being charged.

    The real issue behind all these arrests is that Tommy speaks the truth about the danger to the British people posed by Islam. But he is no longer being prosecuted for “hate speech” offenses — the state does not want the substance of what he says to aired in an open courtroom and discussed in the national media. Thus other types of infractions must be found and other charges brought. The current case against him is simply the latest example of the repressive tactics being employed by the totalitarian British state.

    The Powers That Be were successful in “decapitating” the English Defence League — with the help of the Quilliam Foundation — and are now attempting to do the same thing to the recently established UK chapter of PEGIDA.

    So here’s the plan: Lock up the most charismatic leader the British Counterjihad has. Put him in with his most dangerous enemies — Muslim criminals who have promised to kill him. Make sure that the guards are absent or looking the other way when the trouble starts. Then, as far as the shariah-compliant British state is concerned, the problem has been solved.

    The UK, like all the other enlightened governments of Western Europe, has abolished the death penalty. But there’s more than one way to kill a political nuisance — you don’t have to march him up the steps to the gibbet, put the noose around his neck, and open the trapdoor under him.

    What is happening to Tommy Robinson is capital punishment by alternative means.

    THIS IS FOLLOWED BY A LENGTHY COMMENT SECTION

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/04/tommy-robinson-legal-defense-fund-an-appeal/

  299. A fascinating ‘mea culpa’ from Trevor Phillips on the Brietbart link below, for those who haven’t already read it. Amongst other comments: “Some of my journalist friends imagine that, with time, the Muslims will grow out of it. They won’t.”

    And he lays the blame at the feet of the liberal, metropolitan elite, media classes: “Oddly, the biggest obstacles we now face in addressing the growth of this nation-within-a-nation are not created by British Muslims themselves. Many of our (distinctly un-diverse) elite political and media classes simply refuse to acknowledge the truth. Any undesirable behaviours are attributed to poverty and alienation. Backing for violent extremism must be the fault of the Americans. Oppression of women is a cultural trait that will fade with time, nothing to do with the true face of Islam.”
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/10/thought-europes-muslims-gradually-blend-britains-diverse-landscape-known-better/

  300. I’m currently reading “Easy Meat” by Peter McLouglin, a comprehensive review of the operations of muslim sex grooming criminal gangs in Britain and the cultural cringe of those in power and authority who have failed to address them. A horrific but essential read for anyone who wants to understand how and why this ‘phenomenon’ has become a widespread, existential threat to both British and Western society.

    http://www.lawandfreedomfoundation.org/2014/03/04/comprehensive-report-on-the-grooming-gangs/

  302. Tim Black is a columnist for Spiked, here is a link to his illuminating post on Syria.

    “…to the question of what could be worse than a dictator like Assad? Or, indeed, Saddam Hussein or Colonel Gaddafi or whoever happens to be the baddie du jour? The answer is there in Syria, in Iraq, in Libya. It’s writ large in their unravelling, their fracturing and their, brutal, lawless disorder. This is worse than Assad: the current situation, which our leaders helped to bring about…”

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the-wests-death-sentence-on-syria/18221#.Vwpa1ccfWRs

  303. Brendan O’Niel’s Communist party blog Spiked offten offers better comment and analysis that such supposed ‘right wing’ publications than the Spectator, sadly.

    “…instead of engaging in the hard task of analysing and starting to overcome the rut Western economic life finds itself in, observers indulge in anti-greed virtue-signalling. This is best summed up in the figure of Jeremy Corbyn, Labour leader and supposed old-school socialist. His post-Panama approach has been to bash PM David Cameron over his tax return rather than his economic policies; to have a moan about Cameron’s dad and his tax behaviours (without any complaints from the broadsheet press about invading a politician’s privacy, as they said when the Daily Mail went after Ed Miliband’s dad for being a Marxist); and even to propose colonial-style direct rule in British overseas territories in order to limit their ability to act as tax havens. That will sort the economic crisis – a bit of moral imperialism! Everything Corbyn has said has exposed the left’s substitution of moralistic posturing for radical thought and politics…”

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the-panama-papers-rich-bashing-wont-fix-the-crisis/18226#.VwpgdMcfWRs

  304. Noa – 14:25

    About time too! At least he has confessed, but he and those like-minded people need to propose corrective action, just to show that they have had a change of heart and so that they take some of the flack!

    Noa – 14:30

    I read a post that said he was reading it because he had two daughters and needed to know, even though it gave him sleepless nights.
    There was also an extract from Broken and Betrayed by Jayne Senior in last week’s (?) Sunday Times
    Apart from the horror of it all, I cannot believe how so many failed their job, paid out of the public purse, when public employees are presented as saintly, and that they expect to receive their pensions, also from us! And Dhimmi Dave thinks we worry about his tax return!

  305. RobertRetyred

    To be fair Phillips does propose something:

    “In terms of solutions, Mr. Phillips opines on “halting the growth of sharia courts and placing them under regulation” ensuring that school governance never falls into the hands of a single-minority group, “ensuring mosques that receive a steady flow of funds from foreign governments such as Saudi Arabia, however disguised, are forced to reduce their dependency on Wahhabi patronage” and an end to the “silence-for-votes understanding between local politicians and Muslim leaders — the sort of Pontius Pilate deal that had such catastrophic outcomes in Rotherham and Rochdale”.
    It’s far, far short of what is necessary. The closure of mosques, imprisonment, punitive fines to recover the proceeds of sex slave crime, the deportation of criminals and their families, the total cessation of muslim migration to Europe and the west, a total ban on purchase of British lands and the re-possession of property by muslim and foreign immigrants, amongst others, but that would be a start.

  308. A somewhat more balanced analysis of the Panama Papers from George Friedman’s outfit:

    http://lp.stratfor.com/e1t/c/*W18tb7-8NzzzzW17Zlsb3bJgsT0/*W3FvYd38sf04vW9gkD9-8WcWtv0/5/f18dQhb0S65P7Bf-yvM1xW-gXSRY3W4THGWK2tkgxmN5GwV_LdC1NJW38tPWK7QTgknW7s5zZ17LvrtHW6Yr6pt2_HwyVN6r02hvrqwVvW6WT43P1HTgg-W3qpslD81gS9fW8Pyc6198DzYVW4WhYgm6GgZjhW7Dpbsg10ytsyW6ZC6HH3xmYnHV9VDnX1TFNXwW45qq3F7xCkS9VKXY447yJW2zW43fhLw4c5sJxW2hxxG42Dc5mSMnlVFWskDKjW2mjZ-R65JpnWVKPrJF3dpZYBW3Tf3_63WgDWrW3qS0468qzt-8W7PWlW_85WmkpW8fqV_Q5cMpDLW2K344j6RzklDW2T7Kfh3zL_vzW5ZvWYP10r9gYN3NlhfVYX6SVW1rgFr94bJcyXW2pZLDY2Rs3hqW65Z8yH5-WhWhW28177Z5nnZfvMp88-0pwS-MVH0nYd8ZG6LvMQJ25s9z0jlW5XSYcj3FqfQ-W6X22kF6RF8RWW94r3v63Zf7QrW2XnKJH4r6mF-W2d0pXW5dMXMrW1XbrKY27w0C6W1BGKCV2WJV7jW8mn6_x2l34rkW7BrNkm2zdhdNW8hTslR4_FQnhW5PfjdT6n0CYMW5qJdWS2g8p_MW2H0XlG4CwPqCN2y12DT68nBYW7xRdm543Vc6WW23tTdz8HL4kDW6-lDDD4yDNGSW8t0Llr7BNJkcW4qM5LD8s_Tj2F2fqtdm323sf6CVB1603

  313. Noa – ’52 per cent of Muslims did not believe that homosexuality should be legal’

    That isn’t about SSM. It’s about SSS, except for ‘sex emergencies’ in German swimming pools, obviously!

  314. RobertRetyred 18:49

    The real point is that absolutely nothing will be done to curb the inexorable rise of islam and the islamification of Britain and Europe.
    If the widespread prostitution of children is insufficient to change the direction and influence of one world islamo-socialism then nothing will.

  316. Noa – 16:00 & 19:23

    Either TP’s suggestions are made known and a solution sought or Philips isn’t really proposing anything, just signaling! He has received a lot of public money, for being wrong! The least he could do would be to get the ball rolling and motivate a few people.

  317. Everything is at stake in Europe and the USA.

    In Europe, unless “action this day” there promises a more violent replay of the struggle between Church and State in the medieval period.

    In the USA? – the same, unless…well look at today’s main headlines in Drudge Report:

    NO PRIMARY, NO CAUCUS: CRUZ GETS ALL DELEGATES
    VOTERS NOT NEEDED
    Colorado Republicans cancel presidential vote…
    Trump blasts RNC: ‘Crooked shenanigans’…
    ‘Disenfranchising people’…
    Cleveland will be haunted by ghosts of Chicago 1968…
    Trump Delegates Scratched From Ballots at GOP Convention…
    7 IN A ROW! Sanders scores WY victory…
    But rigged race means Hillary takes more delegates…
    INDIANA REPUBLICAN DELEGATES SNATCHED BEFORE PRIMARY…
    ‘Gestapo tactics’…
    Ordinary Voters Feel Sidelined…

  318. Noa, April 10th @ 19:23

    …and the plan is that if anyone makes a serious try, they will get whacked.

    In normal abnormal times the geese of Rome would be heard. Have we killed the golden goose?

  320. Help me out, guys. What in your view is the leading Brexit site among the alternative media?

  322. For Trump, the first wall he should build should be around Washington DC.
    Then he should call the capital a re-education camp.

    (It’s ok, don’t be alarmed. The legislation. correction: policy, has already been adopted:

    Full text of “Leaked US Army Document Outlines Plan For Re
    https://archive.org/…ArmyDocumentOutlinesPlanForRe-educationCampsIn…
    Full text of “Leaked U.S. Army Document Outlines Plan For Re-Education Camps In … Contents Joint Interrogation and Debriefing Center Commander/Military …)

  323. Malfleur : ( Herbert Thornton ; Clear Memories ) :–

    Where you are can you get on line the edition of the National Enquirer (USA edition) dated 14 April. This appears to have a strap headline about Ted Cruz being named in the Blackbook of a Washington `Madam`. You understand this is my sole interest in the matter.It can not be accessed here (any attempt throws up the UK edition ) .This is apparently because the edition also contains an item which it is a criminal offence to publish in the UK. (even though `everybody `knows what it is ).

    Could you affirm it is available without mentioning any of the contents,as we do not want Peter being sent to The Scrubs.

    My sole interest is in Ted Cruz and the USA election.

  324. Radford NG

    I thought this story had been given pretty wide coverage in the UK as well as the USA. The Daily Telegraph seems to have had no qualms about publishing the allegation in the UK:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/05/ted-cruzs-phone-number-appeared-in-madams-phone-list-magazine-cl

    That was 5th April and says that “initial allegations were published last month by the National Enquirer”.

    The Daily Caller repeated the allegation on 7 April when it reported that the Supreme Court had refused an application to unseal the court record listing the names in the Madam’s book.

    Your date of April 14 is obviously in error and perhaps you meant 4 April.

    If Radaronline is the National Enquirer USA, then an April 4 article can be found for the story which you may be able to get access to using:

    Google USA – Search Google US as a user in America …
    wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/…/google…/google-usa.htm…
    Want to Search Google USA for American websites?

  325. `Scottish newspaper publishes name of celebrity love cheat `( Sun,and Daily Mail ).
    Oh,those naughty Scottish people ! What can we do about them. I’m sure we all deploy this.

  326. Malfleur.
    I tried Google USA ; but it still came up with National Enquirer UK (strap headline : `Princess Grace was Murdered`;but then again who would believe anything in the National Enquirer?) . Could it be there is something in the USA edition someone does not want us to know about? Surly not!

  331. Radford NG – 06:37

    A brilliant Sun headline, echoing back to its heyday under Kelvin MacKenzie.

    Since when have MPs been hailed as “celebs” anywhere? Scotland is currently a one party state so no prizes for guessing which party. [more of a cult – certainly run by two cu*tists! ]

    …also the incident reportedly involved 17 and 18 year old girls at that time. We’re on the borders of footballer territory here, so I think that Inspector McKnacker needs to do some more probing.

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