The Coffee House Wall – 6th/12th July

Posted on July 6, 2015

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241 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 6th/12th July”

  1. More interesting is how the zorbas vote will affect merkel domestically. I read an article in der spiegel in the online english edition and it was critical of her saying her attitude had made things worse and put €63 bn of german cash at risk. And hollande will not necessarily go along with the german hard line policy. They see greek bailout as a price for keeping the euro intact.

  4. @Baron 4th – 00:55

    Some 25+ years ago I was instructed to hand my ship over to new Greek owners. I was immediately made redundant, however the Chief Engineer was took up the given option of continuing, ‘to see how he liked it’. At their first lunchtime at sea, the table was laden with four carafes of red wine, all topped up from a plastic 5ltr can. In the crew’s mess the situation was the same. So that afternoon no welding nor lathe-turning work was worth a damn, he suddenly found he had to supervise personally all ongoing overhaul and fitting work and, as for watchkeeping, the OOW would most likely be found dozing in the control room swivel chair. (What was going on on the bridge I don’t know!) When this continued daily, he took it up with the Greek captain, only to be told, “This is how a Greek ship operates. If you do not like it, you have another option.” So, in the next port, he took said option.

  5. Frank P @ 02:23

    You do know how to cheer people up before they turn in, do you not, Frank?

    But what about John Palmer, you must have known him, if not personally, but then, you might have. You reckon the one who ‘done im in’ was one of yours?

  6. alexsandr @ 09:08

    It’s not the Germans who are leading the opposition to further concessions to the Greeks, alexandr, but one of the smallish member of the EU, the Slovaks, former family members of the Czechs, if the information Baron gets fed is correct. They were told roughly what the Greeks were asked to do, complied, apparently are threatening to get out of the club that makes the rules, enforces them on some members, lets others of the hook. Madness.

    If the boy were genuine in wanting to reform the monstrosity fundamentally, he would use both the 2008 Euro slip up, and the current crisis as the two events clearly saying ‘the construct must change dramatically, or it implodes’. But will he?

  7. EC @ 09:18

    Good clip, EC, and agreed, here Mason excels himself, not the usual fluffing around. The only thing Baron doubts is his point on Tsipras’s time in office. The austerity package he’ll bring back will turn the unwashed against him, the EU gnomes will help to undermine him, too.

  8. @Baron 6th, 10:42

    “the club that makes the rules, enforces them on some members, lets others of the hook.”

    I imagine the Republic of Ireland must be mighty p*ssed off at that, too!

  9. Baron (10:33)

    A man of the world like you should realise that the biggest of the ‘Mr Bigs’ in organised crime are also always the biggest ‘grasses’. Organised Crime is cyclical, as is police corruption of the venal category. Sadly the police service is manned by human beings and the percentage of those with weakness, greed, raw ambition and wickedness is pro rata to the rest of society.

    In the ‘war on crime’ the line between the white hats and the black bats often becomes blurred. Sometimes the excuse for malpractice is ‘necessity pro bono publico’. Sometimes just old fashioned greed and opportunity meeting en route to good intentions; it’s the way of the world. In the end The Reaper collects them all, but only to make way for the next crop in the never-ending game. The people who order ‘the hit’ never do it themselves. They have at their disposal a willing and ready list of young turks to fulfil the ‘contract’ for a few grand – gullible ghits, who rarely realise that it’s their turn next. Greed causes myopia even blindness in some.

    As for who ordered and who executed the removal of Palmer, the permutations are infinite. Your guess is as good as mine. Justice is a rough and tough old gal; not the blindfolded Saint she is cracked up to be. 🙂

  11. Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
    Zorba sadly could not travel both
    So Merkel trench coat long she stood
    Twisting Hollande’s arm as far as she could
    But meanwhile Tsipras in the undergrowth;

    He took the other, as just as fair,
    And having perhaps the better claim,
    Because Banks had closed for the year
    Cried out Christine come on there
    I really am not the man to blame

  12. Ostrich (occasionally) @ 11:18

    They’re fed up, O(o), the Republican Irish of the South, they had a man on the BBC4 World at One, and he wasn’t very nice about the Greeks. Sadly for him, the minnows of the EU will be disappointed at the concessions, but they matter little if at all, the big boys will have the last say, and the Germans will eventually offer to save the Greeks, keep the monstrosity on the road because for them it has laid more than one golden egg already, will lay more in the future.

  14. Frank P @ 11:36

    Wise words, Frank, the ones on greed in particular, even though if one were looking at the world with the eyes of a cynic one might think that it’s greed rather than love that delivers progress, abundance, even happiness at least for the greedy.

  17. Mrs Frank P is not impressed with astronomy, particularly when TV science punditz get into the 24 hour news cycle with their latest unprovable theories of what the so-called universe comprises. Today we have been told, with pretty computer graphics, of the news that ‘the universe probably is mainly made up of black holes.’

    ‘Hmmnn …’ she mutters at the TV, ‘the bit of it that I see through the news bulletins seems to be made up of black a-holes!”

    I read her her rights, of course, but then realised that it was a pearl of wisdom that deserved to be set in stone on the CHW.

  20. Frank P – 17:40

    Empiricism strikes back!
    Compliments to Mrs Frank P on that one.
    More please!
    🙂 🙂 🙂

  22. Colonel Mustard .

    Wondered if you caught Newsnight tonight? Would appreciate a Broadside from your Big Bertha. The pips are beginning to squeak at the Beeb.

  24. “Yanis Varoufakis [former Greek Minister of Finance] was sacrificed to placate the European creditor powers.

    Germany let it be known that there could be no possible hope of an accord on bail-out conditions as long as this wild spirit remained finance minister of Greece.
    In a moment of condign fury, Mr Varoufakis had accused EMU leaders of “terrorism”, responsible for deliberately precipitating the collapse of the banks in one of its own member states. (This is objectively true, of course)….”

    but while

    “Mr Varoufakis once loved ‘Europe’, and still cannot stop loving it, Mr Tsakalotos [the new Greek Minister of Finance] was never a believer in the first place. (Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, Athens)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11720907/Greece-creditors-will-gain-nothing-from-toppling-Europe-lover-Yanis-Varoufakis.html

  25. The Greek/Euro situation is like Britain in the 1980s where socialist city states like Liverpool and the GLC were borrowing and spending.This could not go on for obvious reasons,and Mrs.Thatcher stopped it.
    There is only so much capital available and if it was going into Liverpool (because of high interest being offered) it wasn’t going elsewhere.Their borrowing was based on the soundness of the British economy….but what would happen when they could not sustain their debt.One way or another Britain would have to deal with the matter.But what of the people who had chosen to buy the debt?Why should they be bailed out.?

    It is the same with Greece and the EU.As pointed out to begin with,25 years ago, there can not be a common currency without a common politi and a common state to regulate it.The aim of the EU is to create a common state by covert means,so they created a currency…….and this is where it has got them.

    If the Greeks are responsible for the actions of their government,why should the Germans and the rest not be responsible for creating this situation for their political ambitions?

  26. So a man can walk around Westminster displaying an Islamic State banner and not get arrested. And just in case the British people are so stupid as to wonder why he wasn’t the BBC explains why at:http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/33410837/why-this-man-wrapped-in-an-islamic-state-flag-was-not-arrested-in-central-london

    While at the same time a hate preacher directly connected to the Tunisia attack lives on £48,000 benefits in London, Sgt Blackman has to serve life for killing an enemy combatant. Never mind the fact that the judge at his trial totally ignored all the mitigating circumstances. Our fastest growing demographic has to be reassured that #Talibanlivesmatter. There’s a great piece on that at: http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/2015/06/free-sergeant-blackman.html

  28. Francois Cerragh is the reincarnated Emilie Francois you may recall from Billy Connolly’s Paws.
    Reincarnated when she got God, always an enormous mistake.
    Is she on Newsnight now?

  31. Ex-head of counter-terror: UK should lay on charter flights to Syria for jihadis

    “You have to think how do you confront it, if you have hundreds or thousands who want to go there and live that life? We should try and convince them not to go. If they want to go, you have to ask the question, are we better off, if they surrender their passports and go? It’s better than them festering away here.

    “Should we say we’ll lay on charter flights to Syria; turn up with your passport and if you are over 18, if this is the life you want, then go?”

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/06/robert-quick-counter-terror-uk-charter-flights-syria-jihadis

    This would be a policy that I approve of!

  32. EC – 10:01

    It might be a little life limiting being one of the crew.

    Philosophical question: when these passengers pass through security, will they be required to have hidden an explosive device in their luggage?

  33. DM: UK could send tourists a plane filled with cash: Treasury officials draw up contingency plans to help Britons if Greek banking system collapses

    Effectively, that is what they already do, every day: send an aeroplane full of cash to Brussels! 🙂

  35. EC July 7th, 2015 – 08:57

    Ah yes. It’s the ears, tufty hair and SM dungeon pallor.

    Fireball XL5 – goodness me. That’s a blast from the past. I made the mistake of googling it and will now be stuck with the theme song for the rest of the day. It was firmly rooted in that glorious but brief period when British aerospace meets science fiction/fact and there were RAF whizzo types in space flying “rocket ships” instead of Spitfires. Despite the Cold War there was an optimism and confidence then untrammelled by Agitprop, PC, the “struggle” for equality and outrage over dodgy Hawaiian shirts.

    However did this once grown up nation end up inserting its collective head up its own arsehole?

  36. EC July 7th, 2015 – 10:01

    Ah, but that plan would falter in the face of the prevailing Law of Disapproval which trumps everything, even the security of the nation.

    Therefore it is “feared” that murderous jihadis bent on acts of atrocity have absented themselves from our midst and the police wring their hands and wail about these poor “victims” of radicalisation and Islamophobia leaving us.

  37. John Galt @ 07:20

    Hard to say what’s more sickening, a man wearing the ISIL banner parading in front of the House, or the authorities saying ‘it isn’t a crime to wear and ISIL banner on the streets of our cities’.

    So much for the boy ‘unexpectedly free, and fired up’ (copyright: Charles Moore) sorting things out, John.

    When the boil began to fester few years back, Baron suggested the best way to cure it (a part of the solution) was to declare war on ISIL. As everyone knows from history we’ve once declared a war on a nation, nothing much happened for a while, hence there’s a precedence. However, declaring war would have allowed us to rid ourselves not only of men wearing the ISIL banner, but everyone else found in support of the thugs. A one way ticket out.

  38. EC @ 10:01

    This would be a policy virtually everyone would approve, EC, only those who wish us harm wouldn’t.

  39. EC @ 10:27

    Highly enjoyable, EC, the guy’s incredible, and yet nobody of the progressives ever mentions him, attacks him, wants him ‘closed down’.

  40. Nobody seems to have given much thought today as to whether our 7/7 outrage was a false flag.

    Ask questions or keep mum: which path better honours the dead and maimed and bereft?

  41. Baron July 7th, 2015 – 10:55

    A declaration of war would be a sound idea, Baron, but the invertebrates who rule over us are too timid for that. It would mean commitment instead of fudge.

    Bluster and boasting air strikes for which there is no real capability are offered instead, with weak excuses for allowing that ISIS banner wearing provocation to occur.

    Everyone sees and, bar a few rabid lefties with disproportionate influence, everyone knows but still the goons who occupy high office pretend.

  42. You see what he means? Baron wrote ‘an ISIL banner’, the fugging software changed it to ‘and banner’. It’s not enough to despair, one wants to kick the tosser who came up with it.

  43. I note that once again, St Paul’s Cathedral is being used as a platform to celebrate the heinous crimes of our enemy ten years on. The ‘great and the good’ wallowing in their joint failure to deal with the said enemy, who are no doubt salivating over their success and watching it with great satisfaction. Rather than respecting the dead victims by sanctimonious twaddle and hypocrisy of Boris Johnson readings; and the demand for minutes of silence, this day should be filled with great noise and commotion in the enclaves of the Middle East where these bastards are still strutting. We should honour the dead of this existential war by achieving victory, rather than conniving in gradual surrender. Those foregathered in St Paul’s should be either on the front line, or planning support for those that are, rather than distracting our police and armed services from their efforts to win the war. Disgraceful, craven posturing on display for the world to see. Pure propaganda for the enemies of our Judaeo-Christian civilisation to enjoy. Who the fuck do our so-called leaders think they are kidding?

  44. EC July 7th, 2015 – 10:27

    Brilliant, thanks. I hope that telemachus watches it.

  45. … and as a postscript to my cold fury, perhaps these pictures of the edifice that is being despoiled by today’s antics, will remind those who should know better, of more courageous times, when our nation and our empire still had it’s balls!

  48. EC
    July 7th, 2015 – 10:27

    I was unsure what a progressive was so I consulted a right wing non politically correct oracle
    https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/definition-progressive-are-you-progressive

    *

    Turns out that if
    “You think that the state has no right to kill, and that putting people to death to show that killing is wrong will always be a self-defeating policy”
    Then you are a progressive

    Does this mean that you and the 1131 poster and most of the HCEA elite are progressive?

    I treasure Pat Condell as I treasure Jim Jefferies

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBDjiRSrsZ0

  49. Frank P @ 11:48

    Amazing picture of St Paul, Frank.

    How do yo dig these pictures up? It isn’t the first time you’ve come up with something from the close by past that’s of great interest to the barbarian, you search the Net for it until you find it, or you know where to look?

  50. Smelling of old Britishness, gently crafted, and very timely letter from John Hart, Chelmsford, Essex published in the Spectator on July 4. Perhaps, the last sentence should have ended with ‘for too long’.

    Someone should tell the ‘unexpectedly free, and fired up’ boy about it.

    Sir: The natural explanation of why bits of our universe have evolved to be conscious, loving, moral, purposeful, creative and free (Letters, 27 June) is that societies with those characteristics have a better chance of survival than those that lack them. But, as the life of Genghis Khan reviewed in the same issue shows, they do so only when they are willing to defend themselves. An advanced society that allows itself to be invaded, by force or fraud, by an ignorant, cruel, corrupt, destructive and enslaved society will not remain advanced.

  51. All you need to know about the definition of progressive by the provocateur at 1448 is how the director of the Organic Consumers Association is described there:-

    “Cummins has been active as a writer and activist since the 1960s, with extensive experience in public education, grassroots mobilization, and marketplace pressure campaigns.”

    Yeah, I just bet he has.

    But it’s good to see the provocateur posting his wind-ups and slurs here again because it makes his whine at the other place that he is “semi-gagged” here as ridiculously fact-free as the rest of his second rate garbage.

  52. Ronnie Cummins is an interesting chap
    He has been attacking Monsanto for years

    See “How Monsanto Can Be Defeated” By Ronnie Cummins

    He did not get far but now Monsanto is to be gobbled by Syngenta

    http://www.fwi.co.uk/news/monsanto-offers-name-change-to-secure-syngenta-takeover.htm

    I would love to see Cummins and Condell round the Newsnight Desk or even on Jon Stewart’s show

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwPd_D3y3Pk

    (Worth seeing Jon and Nicola on YouTube-at least go as far as the haggis bit-if hooked stay for the Boston Tea Party)

  53. Frank P – 11:29

    Hear hear, well said!

    Pat Condell – in a similar vein

    “For politicians to pay tribute to the 7/7 victims without acknowledging the reason they were murdered (Islam) is a mockery and a lie.”

  54. telemachus @ 14:48

    One or two good quips in Jim’s gig, agreed, telemachus, but nowhere near Pat’s class, far too many fuggings (a sure sign of a progressive stand up comic of today), and more to the point, the guy’s against gun ownership, something Baron, the Founding Fathers and millions of other law abiding burghers are in favour of.

    And another thing that hit the barbarian just as he finished typing the above. The clip’s entitled “Muslims’, but he has just a couple sentences to say about them, then he switches off. Hmmm.

  55. The DM has a big piece on the US fighters’ interception of a couple of Russian bombers off the coast of California and Alaska. When you read it, it says somewhere in the middle the bombers were 200 miles off the coasts, in the international air space.

    In the Republic, racial tension seems higher than in the 60s last century, the country is drowning in debt that keeps growing, economic growth is endemic ….

    In Europe, the Euro’s falling apart, the EU dream is being punctured, the continent is being flooded with immigrants form the lands of the ROP, many of them future potential jihadists ….

    What an excellent timing for resurrecting the Cold War environment, and who knows, with a bit of luck, making it warmer.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3152026/US-fighter-jets-scrambled-intercept-Russian-bombers-Alaska-California-Independence-Day.html

  57. EC
    July 6th, 2015 – 09:18

    I just got around to linking to Paul Mason’s blog. I don’t watch BBC except on occasion in hotel rooms and then only their world service. Is he a full-time BBC reporter, which I ask because his blog, Guy News, seems to be personal? I see some of the comments are saying he is a socialist. I haven’t seen much evidence of that in his clips which are not particularly polemic.

    Anyhow, it’s good to have someone on the ground in places like Greece as a serial and serious journalist in this way trying to say what is going on as events unfold. Thanks for the hook-up.

    Alex Jones by the way is straining at the leash to send himself Athens in person, and Italy and Spain…. Watch out for the American bulldog! http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/17/article-2508797-18DDCD6F00000578-984_634x353.jpg

  58. “The natural explanation of why bits of our universe have evolved to be conscious, loving, moral, purposeful, creative and free … is that societies with those characteristics have a better chance of survival than those that lack them. ”

    Yes, especially if they have a well-regulated militia.

  59. The Times: Shop all Sundays in trading shake-up

    When enacted, they will start restricting Friday trading, until it is non-existent. 🙂

  60. Baron @ 12:08

    I see I should have made an amendment before posting from “Ask questions or keep mum” to “Not be arsed to do any research or keep mum”.

  63. Greek Debt

    “…if you look at Germany, throughout history (in the last 100 years) Germany has never repaid its debt. So no countries are repaying debt. Therefore, Eric, we have a massive problem in the $100 trillion worldwide bond market. There is no liquidity in this market and this is where we will soon see a problem. We will see the bond market totally seizing up in the next few months. Eric, people simply don’t understand that this is a much bigger problem than Greece.”

    http://kingworldnews.com/massive-contagion-will-lead-to-a-worldwide-financial-catastrophe-and-will-the-u-s-start-world-war-iii/

    Have a good day!

  66. Malfleur – 00:10

    Therein lies the genius of Alex Salmond!

    Thanks, btw, for the photo of the dog. It reminded me I need to phone a friend, although with him it’s not necessary the dog that people have to worry about.

  68. Malfleur @ 00:10

    Let us hope it’s right for it would mean Europe has take the first step in the disintegration of the monstrosity.

    One can similarly hope Mr Lapavitsas is better at finance than he is at history “Europe has not show much wisdom over the last century”, said the man, “it launched two world wars and had to be saved by the Americans”.

    It wasn’t Europe that launched two world wars last century, he could have been more precise, and it wasn’t America either, again a greater accuracy would not come amiss.

  69. telemachus – 14:48

    I’ve found just the place for 60’s genteel lefty progressives such as yourself to spend your spaced out dotage. Nothing too hardcore, it’s the Shangri la-la-la land of Puerto Rico where you will be able to live happily ever after. Think on!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1oZSocAExQ

  71. Been catching up with the Steyn stuff:

    http://www.hughhewitt.com/mark-steyn-on-the-threat-stream-indicators-of-john-kerrys-iran-deal-hillarys-libya-legacy-and-4th-of-july-concerns/

    Taster: HH: Hopefully, we are lucky this 4th and for the foreseeable future until we get a serious president. Let me ask you about Benghazi, because of course, this week, Mrs. Clinton’s latest batch of emails came out, 3,000. 20 years ago, Mark Steyn, a different Republican Senator was saying about a different Clinton, where’s the outrage. Lots of Senators are saying that now, and there’s still no outrage.
    MS: No, what’s interesting to me, actually, is just to step back from Benghazi itself, which was terrible. And her behavior in particular was terrible in it. And given the way things are going on free speech in this country, I didn’t like the way that in effect, she and the President made the 1st Amendment the scapegoat in that appalling public service ad they made for Pakistani television. But beyond that, you understand from these emails that Libya was supposed to be Hillary Clinton’s pet project, that she would knock off this harmless, old, past his sell-by date, pock-marked desert transvestite, and she would end up with a big foreign policy feather in her cap, that it was easy to do. And instead, in effect, because she gave it no further thought, except in those shrunken terms of political benefit to her, she left a failed state in Libya, which has resulted in the Libyan ports being under the control of ISIS, and then now being used as the main jumping off point for this flood of refugees that are remorselessly landing on the shores of Italy every day, every day, every day, and destabilizing Italy and other European Union countries. That’s Hillary Clinton’s Libya. Libya is Hillary’s failed policy. That’s what she did. That was supposed to be her great accomplishment as Secretary of State. Instead, she turned it not only into just another failed state, but a failed state that is destabilizing American allies. And nobody is saying a word about that.
    HH: And also, nobody is saying a word about Mike Morell told me, that our enemies knew she had this server, and almost certainly were following her every move and reading her every email at the same time that they were being sent. That’s a national security flaw. David Axelrod said he didn’t know about the server. Bill Daley told me he didn’t know about the server. All these people didn’t know about the server. When does it become disqualifying, or when does it dawn on the American media, Mark Steyn, that it’s not that she couldn’t work a fax machine. It’s that the Iranians, the Chinese and Putin knew that she couldn’t work a fax machine before we did.
    MS: Right, right, and I think this is, at some point, the media just do have to decide whether they’re just going to be court eunuchs, because there’s a great story here. And if this had been, if the Woodward and Bernstein self-mythologizing of what’s left of the American media had any grain of truth to it, this would be a great story for a crack investigative unit at one of the big newspapers to make their bones and win the Pulitzers on. And the fact that they’re not even going there, that they only want to frame it in partisan terms, you know, that mean-spirited Republicans who are hostile to the first female president keep making, wanting to make this an issue, the issue, as you understand from Hillary’s, most of Hillary’s emails are one word answers. They’re either yes or please print, which is a two word answer, in that she understands that the reason she has this private email server is because she doesn’t want to be caught at anything by what she perceives as are her enemies. Well, she’s not working for herself. She’s working for the people of the United States. And the problem is that the United States’ enemies around the world in Tehran and Moscow and Beijing and everywhere else, are reading all this stuff. And they’re getting all this information in real time, because she put her own interests before that of the United States. How can someone like that be president?”

    But read the whole craic.

  73. Frank P – 09:54

    The picture is very similar to St Ives, looking from the cliffs, on the East side of Carbis Bay. It is idyllic.

    I am not offended by his words, but saddened. It is the politicisation of care, by those who live the victim-hood agenda, that does the damage: caring for ‘victims’ is much less challenging for them.
    Caring for those who are still ‘aiming high’ requires a different approach, and would be appropriate for everyone, no matter what their situation. Though, the image of ‘cared for’ has hints of no responsibility, no goals to strive for, or any right to self determination. Oh, how we manage to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory.

  74. John birch – 11:00

    Mm, either the grauniad’s moderators are on strike/holiday, or are the thought police trawling for IP addresses of “extremists” who don’t see it Cameron’s way?

  76. From Guido’s blog yesterday:

    Rick
    “Since then [7/7] more Brazilian electricians have been shot dead than have muslim terrorists in Britain. More libertarians have been excluded from entry into the country than have islamic terrorist supporters and hate-preachers. A massive amount of money has been wasted on Prevent. And very, very few islamic terrorists, supporters and hate-preachers have been deported. Muslims continue to plot against Britain and their numbers are growing along with their confidence. Our current leader is a weak and spineless islamophile.”

  78. John Birch – 11:00

    From your link:
    “Quick gave a bleak assessment about the danger Britain faced – a sense of pessimism shared by others who have served at a senior level in Britain’s counter-terrorism struggle. He said: “We’re in a worse place, in a more precarious place than ever. ” etc etc

    And Cameron CONTINUES to call them The Religion of Peace!

    That is more frightening than Quick’s article.

  79. Quick is a prick! Whatever he has to say now must be tempered by the cock-ups he made while in office. If the government take his advice to ‘lay on charter flights to ship out quislings to Syria’, no doubt his wife will be laying on chauffeur driven limos to the airport. Perhaps if he had concentrated more on terrorism when he was taking the Queen’s shilling and less on the hire car business, there would have been less subversive fomentation here.

  80. The photo of Hogan-Howe (the Hell did he get the job) in the link shows him wearing the Knight Bachelor decoration round his neck with the corresponding badge on his left pocket. Despite being knighted in 2013 this wearing of the insignia is relatively new as it doesn’t appear in most photos of him in uniform. There must have been some behind the scenes lobbying as to whether it was appropriate to wear the insignia with police uniform as I can’t remember any of his predecessors being so ostentatious. Does anyone know the protocol for it?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11646033/Surge-in-rape-reports-is-overwhelming-the-police.html

    With that ridiculous huge bandmaster’s aiguilette it makes him look even more like a tinpot banana republic dictator in a comic opera.

    Still, it suits the ridiculous comment he made about giving rapes the same priority as counter-terrorism. All he needs now is a battered rainbow umbrella, a car horn and a monocycle to join the rest of the establishment clowns ruling over us.

  85. ………………………………………MENIN GATE…………………………………….

    This evening the 30,000th ceremony of the playing of The Last Post will be performed at the Menin Gate by the Ypres Fire Brigade.(Ypres=Wippers;to the British Army.)

    http://www.gonewest.be/be/en/last-post

  89. MENINE GATE…..Mistake…….Ceremony is TOMORROW…….THURSDAY 9th July.

  90. EC @ 12:01

    The irony of it is, EC, the chap Tsipras has never wanted to leave either the Euro, or the EU, yet Nigel was banging on about the Greeks’ (the whole of the Mediterranean region) making a mistake, joining the club whilst Tsipras looked on rather gloomy.

    One couldn’t make it up even if one tried.

    It’s a hard one to call (can anyone predict the future?), but Baron sticks to what he’s said before. The sickeningly over remunerated Brussels apparatchiks – from the top to the bottom of the hierarchy – the Germans for who the Eu/Euro has been laying golden eggs for some time now will try to do whatever it takes to keep the Greeks in, letting them loose would dent the monstrosity, perhaps irrevocably, the dream of a federal Europe would at best be put on hold, at worst scrapped from the agenda altogether. It will need a bigger, costlier shock to shatter the undemocratic set-up.

    What the gnomes of Brussels seem to be forgetting is that keeping the Zorbas in, doing a deal, will at some point lead to another, bigger deal needed for the larger economies of Spain, Italy, perhaps France, too. Any one of these may deliver the fatal blow to the hegemonic hydra.

    If Baron gets it wrong on Greece, the chances of our quitting the EU outfit would improve immeasurably, because the Greek exit will map a road how to do it, that map doesn’t currently exists, there’s no provision in the Lisbon Treaty for any of the member states ever leaving the Euro/EU.

  91. RobertC @ 17:17

    Baron reckons John Lewis is the one to read on that blog, Robert, but the barbarian isn’t entirely convinced that the EU uses the Republic as a scapegoat, the EU is seldom behaving as anything but a poodle to the current US administration, Israel though is another story, the EU dislike of the only ME democracy is clearly visible in many of the actions by Brussels, but again it’s just an extension of the treatment meted out to Israel by the honorary Muslim in the White House.

  92. Crime bothers many of our generation

    Marauding youth in our sink estates
    Drug dealers particularly those who target our schools
    Muggers and perpetrators of street crime
    *
    But some crimes are more heinous in that they lead our population to go in fear:
    Terrorism in our midst
    Sexual violence against male or female
    *
    I thank God that our Law and Order authorities are pledged to pursue both with equal vigour
    http://www.met.police.uk/foi/pdfs/priorities_and_how_we_are_doing/corporate/policing_london_business_plan_2010-13.pdf

  93. You may have missed the news, and if you didn’t, some of you may have even re-joiced at the announcement: The beancounter Jenkins who’s run Barclays for the last three years (he replaced the American Diamond ((not a precious stone, a man)) who got booted because the bank together with other banks manipulated the Libor rate). Who should have been sacked, too, was the one or the ones who hired Jenkins.

    Baron appreciates many of you see the bankers as evil incarnate and, granted, some of them may have warranted stringing up for the excesses at the start of the new century, but banking as a service is irreplaceable, it furnishes the capital needed by the industry, is still the main source of mortgages, above all, it facilitates the flow of money in the economy, any economy anywhere in the world.

    Here’s an example: Before the near financial collapse in 2008, the size of the world M&A (mergers and acquisitions) activity ran at $2.7trillion, last year it reached a notch below that figure at $2.3trillion. That’s big money, the fees, commissions, charges to facilitate it must have run in tens if not hundreds billions of dollars.

    Has Barclays snatched any of it?

    Before the near financial meltdown (a couple of years or so after), Barclays and Goldman Sachs ran almost neck and neck in profitability, the money coming mostly from the investment side of the business like M&A. You have a look what has been the state of money making in both since the man who got booted out today took over Barclays. The American bank has beaten it hands down as Barclays has re-focused on the UK market, i.e. fleecing the unwashed, (as were the other British banks), instead of getting chunks of the massive and highly profitable investment flows elsewhere. Lunacy.

  95. Some of you may be by now thoroughly pi$$ed off with the modern Greek tragedy, but here’s few facts you may like to ponder.

    The Greece’s GDP runs around $280bn (2014), which is about the same as that of the metropolitan Miami in the Republic, but the country’s military budget runs at $6.5bn, i.e. over 2% of the her GDP, the number of active service personnel tops 177,000. The Czech Republic has the same number of inhabitants, its active arms forces strength is just over one tenth of that of Greece (and the Russian bear’s just round the corner), and the UK number of serving military personnel (all three services) stands around 160,000. How about some cuts in this department?

    For the connoiseurs of facts and figures here’s a goldmine site:

    http://www.globalfirepower.com

  97. EC @ 15:47

    This story truly beggars belief, EC, and as one of the posters under the piece says ‘it’s not ISIS we should be fighting, but the quislings amongst us’.

    One wonders what would the ‘unexpectedly free, and fired up’ boy have to say if someone from the large pool of the MSM poodles had the courage to ask him.

    Having said that, Baron sometimes wonders if the police aren’t deliberately castigating the patriotic, letting the malevolent acts off in order to stoke up resentment amongst the unwashed.

  98. Three news items from behind the newly emerging Eastern curtain:

    The Hungarian parliament passed a law last week for the erection of a 155km long, 4m high fence on the border with Serbia to stop the flood of illegal immigrants into the country.

    In Moscow, the double of the Georgian thug attacked the double of Lenin. According to newspaper reports this isn’t the first incident of this sort, there are numerous doubles of each of the communist dictators, and they fight often. One of the newspapers said it was nothing more than a brawl of two drunkards, but one would be well advised to avoid any doubles if in Moscow or elsewhere in Russia, or better still, visit East Anglia, not many dipsomaniacs here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiQeY0-YkIo

    Russia has apparently switched off the supply of electricity to the two rebelling east Ukrainian republics without given any warning, or explaining why.

  99. Baron @ July 8th – 19:28

    If you can face the bulldog, you might be interested to watch his second hour on Tuesday which I watched yesterday when he interviews Lord Christopher Monckton.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DIqXgIoGKM

    That is a link to the 2nd hour only. The 3rd hour (not to mention the 1st) might also be of interest because of the item on the former Navy Seal and retired FBI agent who has been attending the hearings on Sandy Hook.

    Incidentally, I watched this programme on 8th July, but there are references to 7/7 in London included. A starting point for those who have not looked closely at that unhappy event, perhaps because they are too shy of the charms of Miss Conspiracy, might be to note that there was a security drill that same July 7th which involved the same omnibus and the same tube train, at the same location as the outrage, and at the same times…

  100. “If reports are correct, Victoria Nuland has already paid a visit to the Greek prime minister and explained to him that he is neither to leave the EU or cozy up to the Russians or there will be consequences, polite language for overthrow or assassination. Indeed, the Greek prime minister probably knows this without need of a visit.

    I conclude that the “Greek debt crisis” is now contained….The losers are the looters who intended to use austerity measures to force these countries to transfer national assets into private hands. I am not implying that they are completely deterred, only that the extent of the plunder has been reduced….”

    *****
    KING RICHARD III Know’st thou not any whom corrupting gold
    Would tempt unto a close exploit of death?
    Page: My lord, I know a discontented gentleman,
    Whose humble means match not his haughty mind:
    Gold were as good as twenty orators,
    And will, no doubt, tempt him to any thing.

    *****

    http://kingworldnews.com/paul-craig-roberts-a-shocking-behind-the-scenes-look-at-what-is-now-unfolding-in-greece/

    “It’s simple, the euro is finished. It won’t survive the unmitigated scandal that Greece has become. Greece is not the victim of its own profligacy, it’s the victim of a structure that makes it possible to unload the losses of the big countries’ failing financial systems onto the shoulders of the smaller. There’s no way Greece could win.
    . . . . . . .

    This currency that Greece is fighting so hard to be part of is in fact strangling it. The reason for this lies in the structure of the EMU. Which makes it impossible for individual countries to adapt to changing circumstances.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-04/why-euro-finished

    Something of a conundrum for these SOBs….

  101. telemachus – Wednesday 20:08

    Mm, can’t tempt you with Costa Rica, the most egalitarian country on the planet,then? I should’ve known that for a true revolutionary such as yourself, who has marched thru London with arm in arm with Tractor Ali, then only the socialist eldorado of Venezuela would do.

    According to UN league tables, Venezuela is pretty unique. It comes second only to Honduras when it comes to the murder rate (USA=110th/220) It terms of the total number of murders its right up there just behind Brazil, India, Nigeria, Mexico, Democratic Republic of the Congo and South Africa.

    However someone with your totalitarian instincts seeking safety might be happier in Saudi Arabia which has one of the lowest murder rates in the world – coming in at 200th – according to the latest head count. (not including official executions)

  102. Malfleur – 05:14

    The other night I found time to watch this, and thought it was quite a good conversation that gave some food for thought.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4dYgeEkVzg

    The more weird shit that goes down in the world the more I am inclined to believe such disparate souls as Icke, Barnhardt, Beck and Alex Jones who on some topics actually agree!

    Icke’s video on “How party politics works” was a bit dodgy in parts, but a lot of it was in many respects what I’ve been saying for years! i.e. “plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.”

  103. EC 9.38
    The attraction of South America is the theology of Pope Francis
    We walk around Tower Hamlets and shake our heads that our advanced liberal tolerant nation can sanction such inequality
    But it is as nothing to the situation in most of Latin America
    And at least folks do not disappear in Tower Hamlets
    *
    The Pope has at last the courage to address this
    As does the magnificent Tariq, albeit from a different perspective
    I can see that you are a chap who still has a poster of Che
    Believe in it

  106. Malfleur @ 14:09

    To give away, gift, dish out to the poor of the world the billions of the Church annual income would be a good start, Malfleur.

    (According to Georgetown University (2014), the average weekly donation of an American Catholic to the Church is $10. There are 85 million Roman Catholic in North America, meaning each week the Catholic Church pulls in $850m through donations from individual Catholics, or over $4,0bn annually.

    The American Catholics are but a fraction of the world’s 1.2bn members of the Roman Catholic club, not all as rich as the those in the US, but if one assumes just 20% of their world number sans the US tribe also contribute annually $10, the aggregate annual income of Rome comes to around $18bn pa. That’s a sum that would go some way to clearing many a slum. And it excludes any income from the Church’s assets, of which nobody knows anything.

  108. Baron, 57% of the US Catholic income provided by Catholics is spent on health care through hospitals, clinics, health care programmes etc. Another 28% is spent on educational facilities, colleges and schools etc. Only 6% of income is spent on the Catholic parishes. None of that includes additional income provided by US Catholics to fund charitable activities in the US and abroad.

  110. John birch @ 16:55

    Also, what does it tell you about the educational system, John, and we’re spending 5times the money we spent 50 years ago per primary pupil, and that’s in real pounds, inflation stripped off.

    Btw, it may have been she didn’t understand the ‘per’, if the bloke were to tell her, every hour you travel, the speedo showing 80 miles, you cover 80 miles, how many hours you need to cover the distance of 80 miles?

  111. Peter from Maidstone @ 17:19

    OK, Peter, but what peeved the barbarian is the Pope saying ‘the goods of the Earth should be shared by everyone, not just exploited by the rich’, when the Church itself is immensely rich, most likely the richest (in assets) than any other institution bar some of the states.

    Where is it that charity starts?

  114. One of the most pertinent issues for the English is the fact that those who love to hate them love to live in their country.

  115. Baron – 18:07

    The Church has a lot of people, so while it has wealth, I wouldn’t expect it to be as overwhelmingly as rich as you infer. The US is still much richer, per person, than China, and although China is surpassing the US in so many areas it is very populous.

    What do you want the Churches to do: sell their gold and give it to the feckless?

    What would happen to the gold, those historically precious artefacts? Melt them down to replenish the gold sold by Brown?

    Who would support the retired clergy? Many say Britain should have a Sovereign Fund, but all it is, is spare wealth, which indeed is what the Church has!

    Also, much of the Churches’ wealth is in land and buildings that could hardly be sold: how much is St Paul’s Cathedral worth? Just the land would be quite a price! And when all the churches are sold off, where would people meet?

    Where I think the Church is rich is in its learning and practice. Church schools are still admired, yet they are being attacked as ‘faith schools’ by the Left. I am finding so many people have no idea how to contemplate. It is required to attain wisdom, which is a wealth that cannot be taken away, which is why, I think, the Left find the ‘wealthy enough to be independent and had the foresight to save so they didn’t have to fill in Social Security forms’ so maddening. They can afford to be independently minded. They know how to live well, and frugally, at the same time.

    It is becoming obvious that growing up in a stable home, with your own parents gives the best chance of a fulfilled life. Marriage, which is one of the few activities that was not founded/invented by the Jews or Christ but included as part of Christian life, is becoming a middle class activity. Surely, even more work in this area would bring benefits.

    Just as I find bankers pay not the problem, but bankers (and regulators) incompetence a big problem, I think that it would be better for the Church to find a bigger role and be more effective. Or should that be everyone should be open to the Churches’ teachings, which we have had for nearly 2000 years.

    Selling off assets isn’t usually the best idea. When a problem arises, the first response is usually to create an organisation to study it and then address it in a naive sort of way. At least the Churches have had 2000 years to get to the next stage. 🙂 And to weaken the Church will only give politicians encouragement to own our culture and customs.

    And then I see this article which questions what our struggle is for and what our goal should be:
    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/are_the_scales_falling_from_our_eyes.html

  117. I know it is fashionable in these parts to support the UKIP political outfit but the lady MEP in blue on QT was an embarrassment

  118. telemachus July 9th, 2015 – 23:14

    As you must be to the Labour party.

  119. RobertC @ 21:45

    An excellent lament, Robert, thoughtful, rational, well argued, and nothing much Baron would disagree with.

    The original point the barbarian was making was simple: The Church sits in the category of the rich in both income and accumulated wealth (assets), hence the Pope’s call for the rich to share must also include itself. And you are right, the Church shouldn’t sell any of the assets because if it did the proceeds have clear many slumps, but poverty would continue, and the Church itself would join the impoverished. The same fate would also befall on other income/asset rich individuals or institutions. As the saying goes ‘one cannot multiply wealth by sharing it’.

  121. Baron @ 15:05

    The reason for my posting that link was that the Vatican appears to have adopted “the New World Order” as a meme.(First time I have used that ghastly new word – no escape.) Although in the Daily Mail article it is not clear if the Pope actually used the phrase himself, online I also find this cross-reference: “We have an obligation, says Pope Francis, to take care of those around us. And to do that, we have to steward our resources. It should be the new world order”.
    http://www.charismanews.com/world/50444-pope-francis-calls-for-new-world-order-again

    In his recent encyclical, he called for world government.

    I find this a sinister, if not unexpected, development. I know many on the Wall have experienced my own difficulties in coming to terms with what security services have encouraged people to describe with the pejorative “conspiracy theories”. There are occasional exceptions here to this general reluctance, as where CHWs seem to have selectively acknowledged the reality behind the theory that there is a conspiracy to keep mum about a paedophile ring operating in high circles in England or by the Commissars of the European Union to rob us of our freedom.

    Ignoring the mass of evidence of a managed drive towards ‘a new world order’ becomes more problematic when a hugely significant organization such as the Catholic Church falls under the control of those who have openly adopted the phrase and the policy behind it, but by this time it may be too late.

    The Ministry of Love has been established.

  123. …….”If ye break faith with us who die
    …..We shall not sleep,though poppies grow
    ……………in Flanders fields.”
    (Read by the Canadian Minister of Justice,speaking from Halifax,Nova Scotia.)

    The 30,000th ceremony of sounding The Last Post at the Menin Gate is on video below.(c.50 mins.) Who know that it is maintained by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkug8uael00

  124. Radford NG 0600
    It is not possible to go to Passchendaele or the Menin Gate or thinking of today go to the Battle of Britain memorials without a profound sense of awe and gratitude to our forbears
    When I hear what the German elite talking down to the Greeks are demanding I shudder that lessons have not been learned in Berlin

  125. telemachus – 11:28

    Afraid not. I had no desire, but more importantly no money, to buy posters or to buy one of the seemingly ubiquitous afghan jackets that were de rigueur for aspiring student revolutionaries of the late 60s. Those garments used to smell at the best of times but when it rained the combined stench of hydrophobic student comrade and Afghan peasant was unbelievable. “Ali’s armpit” I think we used to call it.

  126. Baron – 00:17

    Assets can only be sold once but the poor, & seemingly telemachus, will always be with us.

    If the money paid in the cause of aid, benefits, protection or blackmail had EVER actually worked then there would be no need for further payments.

  132. Colonel Mustard (12:20)

    … Aided and abetted by Brillo who provided her with a platform to peddle her propaganda to the wider British audience via the Daily Politics today, making sure that UKIP’s Dartmouth was rendered more or less mute by interruption and heckling by the b ‘n’ s prof. and another woman whose name escapes me, but whose inclusion in the discussion left a nasty taste in my mouth – and tinnitus in my already damaged shell-like.

  134. Frank P – 11:25

    Fred is not wrong, and the final “tock” cannot be long in coming!

    With circa 18 months of Obama left to endure, how much more racial division and economic damage can he cause?

  135. Colonel Mustard – 12:20

    The fact that the UEA is home to the CRU and its very dodgy data, which is at the heart of the climate change fraud, should tell you all you need to know about that rural seat of learning which is often referred to as “the turnip academy.”

  136. Frank P July 10th, 2015 – 12:45

    I watched part of it. She was some Lib Dem MEP who just loves unrestricted immigration.

    Well, I want to better myself by coming to live in your no doubt very expensive gaff, luv. You can then support me from your lucrative MEP salary and expenses while I claim to be a refugee seeking asylum.

  137. EC July 10th, 2015 – 13:17

    Noted, thanks. A pattern of vile leftist subversion emerges. According to telemachus East Anglia and Norfolk are an “idyll” of toffs against which his proletariate “struggle” is directed from Yorkshire by way of Manchester and shoeless Tower Hamlets. Maybe UEA is his fifth column.

    The link I posted above also mentions that socialist-communist agitating, bolshie waste of space Tariq Ali, erstwhile comrade of telemachus in their endorsement of North Vietnam’s war of aggression, who is laughably referred to as a “military historian” by Wiki. I think they mean militant historian! Militant propagandist would be closer to the mark.

  138. Colonel Mustard (13:18)

    While your analogy is spot on philosophically, the reality of the prospect of living it out is too appalling to contemplate. 🙂

  139. Baron, I have already shown that the Church is pretty much a leader in charitable works. It is not cash rich. And the cash it does receive is mostly given away or used for practical purposes. Are you suggesting that when people give money to support their own Church it should be stolen from them by the state? I don’t personally know any rich clergy, and I know a lot. I have the closest knowledge of very poor clergy. The wealthiest people I know never darken the door of a Church.

    Do you not think that the hundreds of billions in AID already being contributed by Western Christians, Atheists, Agnostics etc, and not seeming to have much effect on the state of the Third World, is enough? Would even more AID do more or add to the existing problems?

  140. I was given a book token for Father’s Day by one of my offspring. I’ve bought a thick paperback history of the UK to the early 60s. It’s part of a trilogy. I don’t know what view it will take. But I’m trying to understand what happened before and while I was an infant and how that has impacted that present times.

  141. Malfleur @ 11:31

    If you’re trying to blacken the barbarian, portray him as a hater of pensioners (he’s one of them, not in Greece though), you’re succeeding. But it ain’t the right colour to put on the brush.

    You google, find out for yourself: Pensions in Greece consume about twice the share of the country’s GDP than in Germany, every fifth Zorba is a pensioner, professions such as hairdressers were classed as dangerous, those snipping hair were able to retire at 50, in other professions pensions ran at 100% of final salary …

    There are also people who live on eager pensions in other countries, you’ll find them here, too, Baron recalls watching a TV documentary including a couple of British pensioners returning on a boat from an anniversary of the WW2 in France, discussing what was a better bargain, buying a sandwich on the boat, or at a petrol station in the UK, both were veterans of the war. For some reason that clip, or just a picture of them, failed to appear in the press.

    Come on, get real, the Greece’s pension largesse was unsustainable.

  142. John birch @ 11:59

    That’s a new one for the barbarian, John, but he’s quite happy to buy it.

  143. Colonel Mustard @ 12:20

    They employ a communist probably for the same reason that one is allowed to wear an image of Che a T-shirt, but not an image of Skorzeny, Colonel. Hard to explain as the former was unquestionably a psychotic killer fighting for Left dictatorship, the latter just a daring soldier fighting for Right dictatorship.

  144. Peter from Maidstone @ 14:19

    Points taken, Peter, all of them.

    Baron doesn’t have enough knowledge, evidence to argue one way or the other, he’s happy to accept what you say.

    Baron’s skin deep knowledge of the Church’s wealth anywhere comes from the small republic of the Czechs, where the return of most of what the Roman Catholic Church has lost (both when the communist thugs governed the country and before from the 19th century till 1948) has been settled.

    The loss was massive: 2 500 houses, 175,000 hectars of woodland, 25,000 hectars of arable land, thousands of priceless pictures, statues, other works of arts, gold artefacts and stuff. The settlement approved by the Parliament recently provides for the return of property, lands, other assets valued around £3.5bn, and over the next 30 years of another batch valued at £1.5bn. This, Baron may tell you, is seen by many Czechs as equally massive in a country where the average wage runs around £700per month.

  145. Not that many pensioners anywhere live on ‘eager’ pensions, sorry about it, it should’ve been small, inadequate, or ‘meager’, but the …..

  146. Oh dear life is so ‘ard here in Tower Hamlets. Here I sit in my hovel on Whitechapel Road, wondering why ‘is holiness ‘asn’t come round with a tin of caviar and a few Fortnum’s vouchers. I have broken my glasses and can’t see and wasting away for want of sustenance. I would go down the mission for a free feed only I do not have any shoes. In my pitiful state of destitution I would settle for a visit from Tariq Ali blowing in from affluence to reassure me that the socialist nirvana is just around the corner, farting salvation in my direction.

  147. It is interesting that the words…

    “We don’t have a housing crisis, we have an immigration crisis. It is interesting that the MSM and our politicians refuse to address this”

    …are banned at the other place. It is rather shocking that it has become so illiberal and anti-conservative.

  148. Peter,
    Absolutely, the situation is plain as a pikestaff. Housing, the NHS, education, all the problems in these areas are directly the consequence of mass uncontrolled immigration. If anyone wants an accurate assessment of our current situation, then read your Gibbon.

  149. Baron @ 17:27

    I will do the research. I suspect however that the total liability of the Greek government to fund pensions of Greek citizens is a pittance beside the total amount that the Greek people as a whole is being asked to bail out the banks for making dodgy loans.

  150. stephen maybery @ 22:03

    The barbarian hasn’t yet paid for the two books you were kind to sell him, stephen, it’s about time to settle the debt. Could you let him have the address, please.

  151. Malfleur @ 23:02

    You suspect correctly, Malfleur, but the two sores are related, quite a lot of what the Zorbas borrowed has gone to cover their pension liabilities. Still, as Baron suspected from the start a deal is coming, the wise one who speaks on behalf of the world community has had a word with both parties, and voila, they have wised up, the pan-Euroean dream will be saved, we’ll have to wait some more for a day of reckoning.

  154. 10th July – Alex Jones, who is a Christian, reports on “the Vatican Coup”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acc1iYEWUiE

    He is introduced by David Knight who touches on “The Earth League” which is a vehicle headed by Prince Charles.

    I am just starting to watch it and will have to defer my research into the nature of the Greek debt I’m afraid, Baron. I have learned one thing so far though. Approximately 90% of the money from the loans issued by the IMF etc was used to bail out private banks. This shifted the consequences of the banks’ bad investments to the public sector and the taxpayer. So the loans were not used to help the Greeks. But the Greeks are expected to accept their pensions being looted and their taxes raised – and possibly their savings accounts being raided by the banks with the government’s blessing,

  155. Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
    George Orwell

  156. Baron July 10th, 2015 – 17:37

    Thanks Baron, but I do not accept that the Nazi regime was a Right dictatorship. Its leader was an avowed socialist and it was probably the first socialist regime that welded corporate power to the state – the current model for so called social democracy.

    The Nazi party’s title ‘Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei’ – ‘National Socialist German Workers Party’ couldn’t be more clearly of the left and Hitler himself said:-

    “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”

    The Nazi politicising of society, their creation of officious bureaucracies pervading all aspects of life and the “gangsterism” in their top echelons was even reflected in the way the New Labour regime operated here. Blair once said:-

    “The Labour party is nothing less than the political wing of the British people as a whole”

    It wasn’t and he was boasting but his single party state aspiration and authoritarian tendency was very clear. New Labour largely succeeded in politicising the law and the civil service. They also partially succeeded in suborning the Metropolitan Police to their political workings and there was a time when things began to look very sinister indeed with the arrest of Damien Green MP. When New Labour were shunted from office the tide of their proto-fascist revolutionary “reforms” did not recede. The damage they had done to our liberty was recognised but not rectified by the incoming regime.

    Fascism itself derives from the name given to the political organizations in Italy known as fasci, which were groups similar to guilds or syndicates and at first applied mainly to organisations on the Left. Mussolini, who was originally a member of the National Directorate of the Italian Socialist Party and a member of the Socialist International, rejected notions of left and right for fascism, claiming that it attacked elements of both.

    Both Roger Griffin’s and Robert Paxton’s definitions of fascism could be applied to the SNP in Scotland. Certainly they encompass Griffin’s re-birth myth, populist ultra nationalism and the myth of decadence, the latter characterised as Westminster and the Union. Paxton’s “obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity” seem to fit the SNP too. Because the SNP draw short of endorsing “societal cleansing” and sponsored violence they might be called a proto-fascist organisation. If they go on to secure a single party state in Scotland all the endemic corruption, gangsterism and abuse of power of national socialist regimes can be expected.

  157. So just what is fascism
    *
    “It is a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.”
    *
    We go on
    It was founded as a reaction to wishy washy liberalism and because of its methods and actions is put by all political authorities on the far right of the perhaps crazy left right political spectrum
    Apologists on the right quite naturally seize on the origins of Mussolini and Oswald Mosley to try to show that the fascist party that held hegemony in Central Europe 80 years ago is at a point on the spectrum that is plainly ridiculous
    German fascists were sadly a combination of rabid militaristic nationalists and a cosy relation of military-industrial Krupp style political interventionalists that is as far on the left right spectrum as it is possible to get
    It was the apotheosis of the ingrained Frankish military mind, rabid antisemetism and capitalism that crushed the small man to the greater good of the state
    *
    There are those who see the European project as a left wing enterprise but particularly the events of the last few weeks have shown a disturbing reversion to the fascist tendency of the Franks
    *
    Let is hope that Socialist Hollande injects some realism this weekend

  158. telemachus July 11th, 2015 – 08:46

    Unmitigated tripe from beginning to end, beginning with a dumbed down dictionary definition and ending with the most ridiculous reference to the most ridiculous “leader” that it is possible to contemplate.

    Let’s just look:-

    “It is a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.”

    Oh yes. Stalin. The Stalin apologist presents us with the perfect definition for his dear leader presiding over a fascist regime. Foot. Mouth. In.

    Stick to agitprop, telemachus, when it comes to objective historical fact you are Simple Simon.

  161. EC
    The Isle of Skye is a rum place
    You should Google Iain Noble who I blame for much of Sturgeon’s bellicose rhetoric
    I used to stay in his manor converted to a hotel where he would sit in the fire after dinner and attack any English who happened to be paying him(not that he needed it-His Merchant Bank bankrolled the nascent SNP)
    *
    However if you need to understand fascism you should read Matthew Lyons

    “Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national or racial rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. To this end, fascism calls for a “spiritual revolution” against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge “alien” forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, youth, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race”

    http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/whatfasc.html

  162. Colonel Mustard 08:01 & 09:36

    Excellent, and it’s obvious that comrade tele knows nothing about the rise of the Third Reich and its appropriation of German industry.

    It’s funny that our chimp has never once, ever, extolled Chairman Mao innit, dontcha think?

  164. All this talk of Nazis, Fascists and Islamists got me wondering during the Today Programme about Srebreniza.
    How should I feel about Serbs and their own crusade against Islam?
    I decided it was too difficult and despatched the kids to the Water Park to allow peaceful viewing of the sublime, it is to be hoped, latest challenge of Serene Serena.

  166. stephen maybery

    Did I miss you re-roused and reporting on shenanigans in Tower Hamlets? I may well have done as things have been a bit fraught this week and continue to be so.

  167. The current system unfolding, if I understand it correctly, seems to be socialism down below controlled by corporate fascists on the top – the middle class largely paying for both until crushed between the two.

  168. Because the modern Left in Britain are closer to demonstrating fascist ideology than ever before it is essential for them to assert it as an “extreme right-wing ideology” in classic left-wing projection and deflection.

    The rise of a new generation of left wing goons, unencumbered by the intellectual pretence of previous agitators, seems to be rooted in the dumbed down education system and the intolerant Marcusean brainwashing in academia. So that new levels of goonish behaviour, intolerance, sedition and violence are being deployed to serve left wing objectives which have never been so woolly, lacking credibility or shallowly emotive.

    UAF/SWP goons are simply ISIS without Islam or the weapons. Essentially violently disposed young men lacking reason and collectively pursuing an inflexible, cultish dogma that harnesses mobs. When I saw them marching in London with their black clothes, drums and flags, their ghastly women ululating ridiculously, extolling hatred and violence towards their perceived “enemies”, I thought at once that they are simply fascists themselves.

    Cameron, if he has an ounce of perception in his noggin, which seems doubtful, or of decency in his person, ought to feel nothing but shame for having once signed sponsorship to that gang of thugs and their violent deceit of characterising anything opposed to their vision of an intolerant militant socialist utopia as fascist in order to deny it a right to expression.

  169. When I wrote ‘utopia’ I meant of course ‘dystopia’. Socialist ‘utopia’ when it transcends from theory to implementation invariably becomes dystopia and the socialist mindset is such that, rather than admitting failure, the failure is reinforced with coercion, intimidation and violence.

  170. Malfleur,
    I was re-roused and did post, however I will post a bit more next week, but if I am attacked by gremlins again as I have been repeatedly, then I will put the piece up on my blog site.

  173. Colonel Mustard @ 08:01

    This may sound like a convenient excuse, but if the barbarian remembers, the sentence about the two idols of their time who killed on behalf of totalitarian regimes ran something like ‘one can sport a T-shirt with Che, but not one with Skorzeny even though both were killing on behalf of dictatorship ….. It got change to emphasise the pathological masochism of Che, who, on balance was the more sickening one, often recording in his diary (he was a prolific diary writer) how he shot prisoners point blank, describing the groaning, the fear of death in their eyes, the trembling lips before their final breath … sickening. .

    Baron also remembers you making the argument about the NSDAP being a socialist movement before, Colonel, and agrees with you 100% except that the vast majority of people will still place the communist thuggery on he Left, the other on the Right, most likely because of how each treated ownership rights of the ‘means of production’. The Left leaning thugs nationalised everything, Adolf didn’t, but of course he didn’t have to as virtually everyone who was anyone in German industry, fiancee, trade was an ardent supporter of the Austrian house painter, often prominent member of the NSDAP, did everything to help him.

  174. stephen maybery @12:37

    Please let me have the link to your blog site. I must have missed that too.

  175. Jennifer Oldham @ 11:17

    What the Serbs did was inexcusable, Jennifer, but the other side doesn’t come out of the Balkan war with flying colours either. Barbarous behaviour all around, it should never happen again.

  176. telemachus July 11th, 2015 – 12:46

    I have read it and do not need to reconsider. When UAF/SWP repudiate inciting hatred, intimidation and violence against legitimate political parties then I might reconsider.

    We live in a democracy, supposedly, but the Blair regime was very cunning to omit inciting hatred against political parties in their contrived anti-hate speech laws. They knew very well that it is the left that depends on inciting hatred against political dissidents and political opponents. Thus UAF/SWP have been able to get away with behaviour which if directed against race or religion would land them in gaol.

    Since there are very few, if any, proscribed political parties in the UK, the deployment of violence and intimidation, especially in public places, to attempt to silence legitimate political parties ought to be unacceptable. There appears to be little or no logical grounds to differentiate between religion and politics in that regard. But the Blair regime managed it, knowing full well that right wing protest is seldom, if ever, directed against opposing parties but that left wing “struggle” absolutely depends upon it. The end result has been, fantastically, that the very notion of freedom of speech is under threat – in England!

    The causes of the left are thus protected whilst the objects of their hatred are fair game. The matter of the English strays into dangerous territory for them but is overcome by their protestations that no such identity group exists or should exist therefore they cannot be accused of inciting racial hatred against it. And frankly, it is not in the nature of those on the right wing of politics to play the offended game.

    Two classic examples of the double standard now established are the casual acceptance of the offensive term “pale, male and stale” – appallingly racist, sexist and ageist – even in our Parliament and the misuse of the pejorative “Little Englander” against those who dare to express concern that their right to an identifiable culture is being subsumed by globalist exploitation and the dictats of foreign potentates over which they have no control.

  177. Jennifer Oldham – 11:17

    Serena Williams vs Caitlin Jenner
    Now that would be a fair match…

    The Wimbledon Men’s and Women’s champions will receive £1,800,000 each.
    Equal pay for unequal work – both in quality and quantity
    Shameful!

  178. should be – £1,880,000. Still, £80K is a mere bagatelle when you’re on that money.

  179. Baron July 11th, 2015 – 13:05

    Agreed. I have never understood the Left’s hero worship of Che or the way they romanticise and extol the supposed virtues of vile communist regimes (q.v. telemachus) – and get away with that. When the Labour party sing “The Red Flag” and I think of all the monstrous atrocities perpetrated under that bloody banner it is nauseating (and I have seen some of those atrocities first hand too).

  182. From now on, Baron will not apologise for any mistakes, errors, omissions, misspelling such as ‘everyone if any position of influence in German ‘fiancee’ rather than ‘finance’. You must believe the barbarian, he may be poorly educated but not that badly, his brain hasn’t yet shrunk to the size of a peanut infected with blight and wilt, he can still distinguish between finance and fiancee. It is the fugging software ‘what does it’.

    (If you were next to the barbarian you would see Baron typing fugging the MacBook displaying ‘hugging’, Baron changing the ‘h’ to ‘f’, the bleeding PC reversing it again, altogether it took him three attempts for the software to be overridden. Lunacy this.

  183. Baron – 16:08

    Yes but also a few days ago we all agreed that the Democrats’ gun control agenda has moved on from the aftermath of the civil war. Now everyone is their target!

    [Good video. NB.For “Dixierats” & “Klansmen” read “Democrats!]

  184. EC @ 13:32

    To be honest, EC, Baron couldn’t warm up to any of the Williams sisters, and for that matter to the Scottish lad either, if he were cremated with all of them together. He cannot explain exactly why, he just wouldn’t.

    It was far from needing cremation for him to warm up to the metal rich, hair beehive owner Brown.

  185. Baron – 16:25

    LOL. We really do believe you Baron, but you really do need to get a grip on your “fugging” software settings.

    What model MacBook do you have and what version of OS X? (Please, please don’t tell me that you have installed Windows on it.)

  187. stephen maybery @ 15:53

    When a man grows old and his balls grow cold,
    And the tip of his prick turns blue,
    And the hole in the middle
    Refuses to piddle,
    I’d say he was stuffed, wouldn’t you”?

    Worthy of a Nobel trinket*, stephen, or at least an epitaph over one’s last resting place, Spike Milligan couldn’t better it, you should copyright it, raw and earthy, and bloody true, too.

    *the honorary Muslim got one for less.

  189. EC @ 16:44

    On his travels, Baron used to lug around Apple MacPro (3kg without the charger), then a couple of months ago, he got himself a two pounder MacBook Air (11inches screen) equipped with the latest OS money could buy (Yosemite 10.10.3), but for the hell of it he cannot figure how to turn this function off yet let the software correct misspellings by underlining them in red (that’s what the other older package allowed).

    If you can enlighten the barbarian, EC, he will be grateful.

  190. EC @ 16:33

    Agreed, EC, the anti-gun lobby has indeed morphed, aims to curtail the freedom to carry of the unwashed of any skin colour.

  191. baron
    its not the computor, its the browser.
    I would suggest looking at settings in the browser.
    or googleing the problem. some other poor bugger will have had the same issue.
    or chuck it down stairs, claim on the insurance and get a pc

  193. Baron – 16:58

    Curious.
    I am running OSX Yosemite on my little Mac here, and when I type “fugging”
    it underlines it in red but makes no attempt to suggest changes or correct the text all by itself.

    The basics around this issue are covered by:

    https://support.apple.com/kb/PH18451?locale=en_US

    But I think your problem is a little more exotic.
    I shall return to googling for further info…

  194. Baron,

    For the time being I’d recommend switching off the “check spelling while typing” facility of you browser. But the downside is that you’ll lose the red underline on unintentional misspellings.

    To do this whilst in your browser: Click Edit, Spelling and Grammar, then uncheck “Check Spelling While Typing”

    Same procedure for Chrome or Safari browser

  197. telemachus July 11th, 2015 – 20:35

    Unfortunately the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, associated more with India, is in a minority amongst muslims in the UK. The majority of mosques and masjids in Britain are Deobandi (754/43.3%) – a movement that developed on the NW Frontier of India (now Pakistan) in violent opposition to and hatred of the British.

    Explaining the complex origins and motivation of this movement to you would be impractical here but suffice it to say that the British government managed to demonstrate its usual breathtaking stupidity in allowing it to take root. The various outcomes are unsurprising to anyone with a minimum knowledge of the history of the NW Frontier, its tribes and cultures.

  199. HEADLINES – Sunday

    “24 hours to save the euro: Germany prepares for ‘temporary’ Grexit as euro project faces collapse”

    Oh I say, what a frightful shame!

    ***

    “Brexit vote could trigger free market ‘chain reaction’
    Britain could enjoy a free-trade only relationship and become more prosperous, say Swiss and Icelandics”

    Oh jolly good!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/

  200. Colonel Mustard 2132
    You may recall I debated the merits and actions of Darul Uloom Deoband and Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind on the old wall
    We cannot flagellate ourselves for letting Sunni Deobandi take root
    It is always astonishing to me that a tiny band of my compatriots could subjugate a Continent for so long
    However that we did makes us the people we are today
    Rounded whole folk, like the French and so unlike the Krauts who last night stuck another nail in the Greek Crucifix

  201. Alexsandr @ 17:30

    The problem’s solved, Alexsandr, last night the barbarian talked to EC, he can stand up to any of the Apple’s geniuses around, the substitution no longer runs, but the red underlining of misspelling remains, and you’re right, it was the interaction between the browser’s settings and those on the gadget. Sadly, no more can the barbarian blame anyone or anything but himself for the errors in his postings.

  203. Malfleur @ 04:54

    It’s either a temporary exist, Malfleur, that has people scratching their heads thinking ‘how will it work?’, or the Germans are using it as a weapon to scare the Zorbas, make them capitulate, turn them into pliable robots submitting to their will knowing the Greeks voted to stay in the EU/Euro by greater majority than that which won Tsipras the referendum.

    Go figure.

  204. And another thing, Malfleur.

    If the Greeks were indeed pushed out of the Euro/EU, temporarily or forever, it would mean that Europe, or rather the Germans for they run it, have shown two fingers to the honorary Muslim in the White House. It would be a milestone in the relations between the two, may also engender a change in Europe’s slicing of other world issues like the Ukraine.

    But would the German Frau dare stand up to the one who speaks on behalf of the world community?

  205. telemachus July 12th, 2015 – 06:18

    I have no recollection of that, but if you say so. . .

    ‘We’ are not flagellating ourselves but rather seeking to flagellate those who rule over us, the ever stupid ones, who take things of value and destroy them in the name of progress. And who in this case sowed a toxic seed in a garden they were entrusted to protect and then fertilised it too. With less ignorant meddling abroad and more Little Englander we might now have better prospect of peace and stability. As usual with those arrogant idiots in the Foreign Office the last people they consulted were those with an intimate knowledge of the ‘other’. The eager repudiation of Empire repudiated its centuries grown expertise too.

    I would not describe the Raj as a ‘subjugation’, the ‘Ferdinand Mount school’ if you will. It was no Algeria, or Indo-China, or Netherlands East Indies. It was more an administration of the once disparate, achieved as much by the Indians themselves as the British. And as in Britain the insurrectionists, empowered beyond their proportionality, rose to claim the narrative. The very strength of Empire was its weakness.

  208. EC July 12th, 2015 – 09:27

    Colonel Mustard July 8th, 2015 – 15:19

    Compare and contrast:-

    http://www.sirrobertmark.co.uk/portfolio/mark-family-gathering/

    Sir Robert needed no comic opera bandmaster’s aigulette and although knighted he does not appear to have worn the neck decoration or breast star in uniform. Since the greatest leaders in our island history have been those modest of dress (with the honorary exception of Nelson whose wearing of decorations put him in danger) the trappings Hogan-Howe indulges in are deeply suspicious.

  209. Colonel Mustard – 09:25

    telemachus July 12th, 2015 – 06:18
    I have no recollection of that, but if you say so. . .

    I had no recollection of that either. Mind games! The last time “he” mentioned that name was December 18th, 2014 – 20:02 in response to Peter posting a link at 11:35. Your rebuttal at 21:24 on that day remains unchallenged!

  210. Colonel Mustard – 09:54

    Thanks for the SRM link. It was your previous comment that inspired mine. I had saved that picture H-H and didn’t want to let it got to waste!

  213. EC 0954
    And if you do go back to that post you will see I referred to the peace/antiterrorism conference, but only by link
    *
    DEOBAND: Denouncing terrorism in all its manifestations, top Muslim groups in India on Monday adopted a declaration calling it “un-Islamic” and terming it against the Islamic principle of “peace”.

    The declaration adopted by the organisations at a meeting here on Monday, however, also criticised attempts to malign Muslims and madrassas.

    The Anti-terrorism Conference organised by Islamic seminary Darul Uloom in Uttar Pradesh’s Deoband town was attended by clerics, scholars and religious leaders from several sects and groups across the country.

    “Islam is a religion of mercy for all humanity. Islam sternly condemns all kinds of oppression, violence and terrorism. It has regarded oppression, mischief, rioting and murder among severest sins and crimes,” said the declaration, adopted by over 10,000 participants.

    “Islam prohibits killing of innocent people,” it said.

    The gathering also condemned attempts to implicate Muslims and particularly religious institutions for terrorist acts.

    “The disease (terrorism) has been diagnosed in a wrong way. Whenever there is any incident of terrorism, every possible attempt is made to link it to Muslims and particularly who have studied in madrassas and some religious institutions. This is totally wrong,” said Adil Siddiqui, public relations officer of Darul Uloom.

  214. EC July 12th, 2015 – 10:05

    Thank you. A good save!

    I suspect H-H has lobbied behind the scenes to be able to wear the knighthood decorations in police uniform because there are photos of him in uniform without them after he was knighted but I do not know the protocols. They look ridiculous (combining full dress decorations with working dress) but probably speak for his vanity. The wearing of the neck decoration with collar and tie and the breast badge on the police tunic is especially un-British looking and I wonder if that has been influenced by Les EUpols.

  215. telemachus July 12th, 2015 – 10:22

    You are confusing Muslim movements in India and Pakistan.

    The apparent renouncement of terrorism from a religious perspective glossed over the essentially political and revolutionary roots of Deobandi:-

    “Darul-Uloom Deoband, is not merely an old-type institution of Islamic ; it is, rather, the name of a glorious movement for the revivification of Islam and the stability of the community. Darul-Uloom, Deoband, was a centre of revolution and political, training. It nurtured such a body of such a body of self-sacrificing soldiers of Islam and sympathisers of the community who themselves wept in the grief of the community and also made others weep; who themselves tossed about restlessly for the restitution of the Muslims’ dignity and caused others also to toss about. They themselves sacrificed their lives for the attainment of respectable life and also taught the lesson of self-sacrifice and self-denial to others. They shattered the Muslims’ intellectual stagnation, they broke up the spell of the British imperialism, and, grappling with the contemporary tyrannical powers, dispelled fear and anxiety from the minds of the country. Not only this; they kindled the candle of freedom in the political wilderness of Aligarh, extricated from the baseness of ideal, created the sense of the superficiality of objective, and in that assembly where the law of muteness was in force, where tongues were chopped off on talking and where sentinels were set on the minds, they blew the trumpet of revolution, and rescuing a large body of young men from the squalor of toadayis life appointed them on the post of guidance in the struggle for the independence of the country. It is a historical fact that the political awakening that was created in Aligarh in the beginning of the twentieth century was indebted to Deoband and some other revolutionary movements in the country, and the revolutionary freedom-lovers who rose up there were the products of the grace from the spring of thought of Deoband.”

    Even in the piece you quoted there is the unmistakeable airing of grievance which characterised the anti-British roots of the movement.

  216. Colonel Mustard – 09:25
    “The very strength of Empire was its weakness.”

    Yes, and I thought the British mainly fought other Europeans. Saving India from the French was a noble thing to do! 🙂

    I also thought that the British in India were, in the beginning, mainly the administrators, not conquerors, but ‘took over’ gradually, as administrators and bureaucrats are want to do.

    The conquerors were from “Central Asian Turko-Mongols, who claimed direct descent from both Genghis Khan (through his son Chagatai Khan) and Timur.
    …
    All Mughal emperors were Muslims, except Akbar* in the latter part of his life followed a new religion called Deen-i-Ilahi …”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_Empire

    * 🙂

    “The Maratha Empire or the Maratha Confederacy was an Indian imperial power that existed from 1674 to 1818. At its peak, the empire covered much of the subcontinent, encompassing a territory of over 2.8 million km². The Marathas are credited to a large extent for ending the Mughal rule in India.
    …
    In the Third Anglo-Maratha War, the last peshwa, Bajirao II, was defeated by the British in 1818. Most of the former Maratha Empire was then absorbed into British India; however some of the Maratha states remained as vassals of the British until India became independent in 1947.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_Empire

    “The British rule in India can be divided into two phases- the Company Rule till the year 1858 and the Crown Rule from 1858-1947.”
    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1482528

  217. “During the reign of Muhammad Shah [1719-1748], the [Mughal] empire began to break up, and vast tracts of central India passed from Mughal to Maratha hands. The campaigns of Nadir Shah, who had reestablished Iranian suzerainty over most of West Asia and Central Asia, culminated with the Sack of Delhi and shattered the remnants of Mughal power and prestige.[28] Many of the empire’s elites now sought to control their own affairs, and broke away to form independent kingdoms.[28] But, according to Sugata Bose and Ayesha Jalal, the Mughal Emperor, however, continued to be the highest manifestation of sovereignty. Not only the Muslim gentry, but the Maratha, Hindu, and Sikh leaders took part in ceremonial acknowledgements of the emperor as the sovereign of India.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_Empire

    And it is useful to know what suzerainty is:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzerainty

  218. taqiyyamachus – 10:22

    Whichever way you want to spin it, they are all ultimately a bunch of taqiyya artists, always given away by their actions.

  219. ColM 11 July 21.22: Less than a year ago the BBC broadcast one of its ‘question’ programmes (can’t remember which one) from a mosque. The usual suspects were wetting themselves about the event as an example of openness & moderation. What they failed to mention (or notice) was that it was an Ahmadiyya mosque & that the Ahmadis are a persecuted minority in Pakistan – not even considered to be Muslim.

  220. Alexsandr July 12th, 2015 – 10:06

    Yes indeed. Have you seen the proposed designs for the new US Air Force “heritage” uniforms? They are supposed to channel Billy Mitchell but give more impression of channelling the Waffen SS.

  224. Ah, telemachus!

    Some of your peace loving, nuclear minded, “moderate” muslims have finally taken to the streets to protest about er… some more killing!
    >
    Photo: h/t @netanyahu בנימין נתניהו Verified account

    http://snag.gy/XY8En.jpg

  226. I bought some Greek yoghurt and had to chuck it out of the fridge last night. I caught it asking for a loan from the cheese.
    This morning it knocked on the door asking to be let back in.

  227. EC @ 10:16

    In today’s ST it says, EC, the ‘scientists’ at the Met are predicting a mini ice age for the next 20 years or so, but (wait for it), the underlying global warming will still be in place, only it will overpowered by the cold. Arghhh

  228. telemachus @ 10:22

    If the peace loving gathering were to take place in any of the towns controlled by the ISIS thugs, the attendees unmolested, still breathing when the conference was over, telemachus, the message could have had some bearing on those thinking the ROP is anything but a peaceful creed, but holding it in Deoband?

  229. Colonel Mustard @ 10:23

    The barbarian is far from defending the man in charge of policing, Colonel, but isn’t there a dress code depending on the occasion? Frank should know, he may like to tell us.

  230. RobertC @ 10:54

    The suzerainty label fits the Republic like a tight fitting glove, Robert, thanks for digging the word up.

  231. Radford NG @ 12:01

    Nothing much has changed then in the last half century for, as the great Peter Simple used to say, prejudices are as old as humanity itself.

  232. Herbert Thornton @ 12:22

    A stroke of genius, Herbert, to dig it out. When the recent game’s over, will it be 2-0 to the Greeks, or will the Germans level the score?

  233. And lastly from the barbarian:

    In the west Ukrainian town called Mukachevo*, the boisterous members of the Right Sector attacked the police, shot one dead, injured others including some civilians (one reported dead), refused to surrender unless their leader, Dmytro Yarosh, a current Rada (the equivalent of our House) member, were to order them to do so. Surprisingly, the Western MSM media never carried the story.

    *(If you ever find yourself in Ukraine, it’s the one place you should visit, it’s the most picturesque, delightful town with a monastery, a castle and a museum that’s one of the best to show you what life was about when the Austro-Hungarian Empire ran the region).

  234. Sorry, Baron forgot to post the link to the shooting.

    Note the dead man under the car at the start of the clip, the shooting towards the end was directed at police cars (you can hear them), and the last few seconds show the police cars, abandoned, one burning.

    If you’re interested Baron can tell you more about the incident, the roots of it (smuggling of cigarettes to the EU via Hungary, a country neighbouring Ukraine appears to feature prominently).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hexRskhproc#t=241

  235. Baron (14:57)

    Any man that:

    (a) has to bolster his self-esteem by hyphenating his moniker;

    (b) panders to ethnic minorities by stating that: “if ‘the public’ asserts that the Met. are institutionally racist then it is institutionally racist”;

    (c) allows ‘fly on the wall TV’ to expose the deficiencies of the force for which he is responsible, rather than working to eradicate those deficiences;

    (d) during such exposure constantly hogs the camera, making trite pseudo-philosophical utterances and on one occasion staging himself arresting someone for bilking a cab, and

    (e) dresses himself up in full No 1 dress with hitherto unknown embellishments to appear on inappropriate occasions so bedecked,

    is clearly cerebrally challenged and therefore unfit for the office he is usurping and was clearly seen as weak and manipulable by the politicians that appointed him to carry out their subversive machinations.

    That is my considered opinion. And to discuss him in the same breath as Robert Mark is, in policing terms, as near to sacrilege as you can get.

  236. Frank P 17.07

    Totally agree. Like you I served under many fine Commissioners. This fellow has to be the most uninspiring and unimpressive one in my view. Being a Northerner myself he has done absolutely nothing to enhance Southern attitudes towards the North.

    God forbid he be given a seat in the Lords, he will be wearing a coronet all day, every day! I do not think David McNee was enobled and he was head and shoulders above this dope. That is my considered opinion.i

  238. Frank P @ 17:07

    Say no more, guru, all’s clear, the barbarian should have known better.

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