The Coffee House Wall – 7th/13th October

Posted on October 7, 2013

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315 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 7th/13th October”

  1. Latest lunacy: Lord Sugar, who I do not especially like, is accused of racism. Goodness, when I was a crude young child, we used to call it Shit and Sugar!

  2. John Jefferson Burns 7th, – 04:57

    “But people were so scarred by the experience of Iraq we did not manage to get across to enough of our people that we were not repeating the gross error of Iraq”

    Bollox! Cameron lost the vote because he didn’t make a serious attempt to win it…look at the voting figures, count the number of MPs, look at how little work the whips did.
    He only called the vote to stop hearing Samantha squalling in his ear every time he got in the front door.

  3. In the years to come, Britain must bump up the Adult education class numbers:

    “Then consider the fact that Pakistan’s population exceeds 180 million, of whom almost half are children under the age of 18. If a big majority have no chance to go to secondary school – and a significant minority cannot even gain a primary education – then tens of millions of children are missing out.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/10359567/Prisoners-of-their-own-ignorance.html

  4. From the same article as above:
    “Pakistan’s budget for 2012/13 showed that 54 per cent of all public spending at federal level went on defence and debt servicing. Education, meanwhile, received less than 2 per cent. The debts, incidentally, were mainly the legacy of previous loans to buy weapons.”

    And for Britain, no doubt, we will be getting:
    Britain’s expected budget will be that 54 per cent of all public spending at federal level went on welfare and debt servicing. Defence, meanwhile, received less than 2 per cent. The debts, incidentally, were mainly the legacy of previous loans to finance Social Services and PPI.

  6. Pakistan is a failed country. It has no oil, unlike most of its fellow bums-in-the-air cohorts.

    Once the West finds a reliable, viable substitute for oil, they will all descend to Pakistan’s level, except the sheiks who benefitted from the oil years.

    It is not the West’s responsibility. The West is responsible for their temporary, ill-used wealth, but once we stop being a customer, it is back to square one for them. I don’t believe (without bothering to look it up) any of them has developed any industrial base on which to survive after there is no longer a demand for oil. And I think that day will be soon. The inventive West knows that this cannot go on.

  8. stephen maybery
    October 7th, 2013 – 13:10
    Anne,
    Lovely start to the week, but were you referring to Alan Sugar or to David Cameron’s Marriage?
    ———–
    Alan Sugar. David Cameron and Sam? Can’t see any Sugar, or the other S! 🙂

  10. Verity – 13:12 ‘viable oil substitute’

    We have found a substitute for oil: shale gas/oil.

    That is why the Green-shirts don’t want it!

    It will expose the Global Warming Mass Deceit for what it is.

  11. Pakistan is invented country cooked up by Jinnah, who wanted a purely allah-oriented country, and Nehru, who wanted the allah-worshippers out. (He never said this in public or wrote it. This is just my reading of the creation of Pakistan.)

    Does anyone know of a country full of allah-worshippers, that does not have oil, that is successful? Morocco seems to do OK, but it’s the only one I can think of. Also, they have very strict rules on the hijab. I think they’re trying to get rid of it.

  12. I thought I’d take a look at a chart of countries governed by the tenets laid down by Mo’ and written down by Aisha (who he “married” when she was six,) which do not have any oil, and see how prominent they are on the world stage. I automatically eliminated those countries who have oil wealth. And I came up with:

    Bangladesh, Pakistan, Guinea, Mayotte (where?), Bosnia-Hertzogovina, Gambia, Comorus Islands, Maldives, Somalia, Yemen.

    Two successful countries governed on islamic principles are Jordan, which has no oil but thrives on tourism and various other endeavours and is very moderate, and Indonesia. I lived in Indonesia and they genuinely treat everyone equally.

    The first time I went by a mosque on a Saturday, the road and the pavements were surrounded with parked cars, blocking pedestrians and blocking doorways. People had parked wherever there was an empty space, whether it had No Parking signs or not. “Humph”, I thought.

    I happened to drive past a church the next day, Sunday, and the scene was exactly the same. Random parking. Pavements jammed with cars, cars parked under No Parking signs, etc. Equality of worship. Indonesia’s consequently a very pleasant and civilised country to live in.

    The other genuinely moderate islamic country of which I have experience is Jordan, which doesn’t impose dress rules on anyone. The women dress in normal fashion and I have never seen one wearing a veil. The Queen of Jordan dons a Red Crescent outfit and drives a Red Crescent ambulance once a week. She wears glamolurous clothes and hairstyles to state dinners. Jordan has no oil, but it is doing quite OK.

  15. RobertC October 7th, 2013 – 13:56
    “We have found a substitute for oil: shale gas/oil. That is why the Green-shirts don’t want it!
    It will expose the Global Warming Mass Deceit for what it is.”

    Any British government be it red/blue/yellow/ or purple who does not without undue delay push forward the, ‘Induced hydraulic fracturing or hydro-fracturing, commonly known as fracking’ agenda are not fit to be in power.

    If is gradually introduced it will bring with it an immediate upturn for the UK, if full advantage is taken and the introduction fracking takes priority and is pushed out at every level and wherever possible we will begin a new Golden Age equivalent to a modern day Industrial Revolution.

    But what does Dave and Nick do they bring in marriage for sodomites and Sapphic tribades.

    What vision these pretend Statesmen have.

  16. RobertC – No one ever mistook Dave or Nick for a statesman. I doubt that either could get elected mayor in a medium sized town.

  17. Howie 7th, – 15:46

    “us-now-produces-more-oil-and-gas-than-russia-and-saudi-arabia?”

    Such a pity they didn’t mend their wasteful ways first.

  18. Ostrich(occasionally): The US can do what the hell it likes with its own resources. They can be wasteful if they feel like it.

  19. Christian husband,father of three,denied entry to GB.He was born in USA and came here in 1991 and was given `indefinate leave to remain`.He was married 20 years ago.After being here 12 years he and his wife went to South Africa as missionaries to set up a community church.After being there for 10 years they flew back to GB,after being told there would be no problems.At Heathrow he was separated from his family and deported to Sth. Africa where he was deported to the USA.Two appeals to the Home Office have been turned down…….We know all the other people allowed to come here…..and men captured by the Americans on various battlefronts who it is claimed Britain is responsible for on the grounds they had been given leave to remain in GB.,before leaving for war zones.

  20. Radford NG
    October 7th, 2013 – 17:51
    Foolish man. He should have bought some black shoe polish and rubbed it on himself. Then, with a towel or teacloth on his head, and going down ass up in the direction of the East, he would have been welcomed home!

  22. And so the spinning goes on.

    Last week, Peter Oborne writes a piece saying the Conservative Party needs to reach out to British Muslims.

    Today, Sajid Javid gets a new job.

    This is how it goes. Chats are had about ‘what we’re going to do’.

    And then ‘You wouldn’t mind, would you?’

    And then the spin is written. That, in effect, is what happens. Week in. Week out.

    How does Peter Oborne have a reputation as some sort of maverick and renegade?

    Because his fellow spinning journalists say so.

    How pathetic these lackeys are.

  23. And the Adam Afriyie spin!

    Oh-so subtle.

    Its message is this: ‘There’s room for plurality inside the Conservative Party.

    ‘Oh, yes. We’re frustrated too over Europe.

    ‘Yes.

    ‘You’re still one of the gang, aren’t you?

    ‘All in it together.

    ‘You’re like Adam. You want it sorted out before 2017. So you’re still one of us.

    ‘We’re all a bit frustrated, but it does have to wait until 2017.

    ‘After you’ve voted for us.

    ‘Thank you.’ (Exeunt Conservative spin doctor, rolling on the floor laughing.)

    It’s a straw man fake ‘rebellion’.

    Who loses?

    No one.

    Dave gets to show he has Eurosceptics in his party.

    There’s a quick pander to the immigrant vote.

    And Adam Wossname gets to put on his manifesto leaflet ‘I tried – honest – to get the referendum before 2017.’

    All three of those things are quids in for the Tory party.

    It’s straw man BS.

    Pantomime stuff.

    Look at what’s really going on and it crumbles.

  24. From the DT:

    “Cristina Kirchner faces brain surgery as key Argentina elections loom”

    They must be planning to fit her with one…hope they don’t forget the bolt in her neck!

  27. One of the reasons why Michael Heseltine tried to smear Peter Hitchens on Question Time this year is because Hitchens knows too many of the Tory party’s dirty secrets.

    You don’t need to read this link unless you can’t remember the show (it’s not important):

    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/04/eleven-million-visits-and-other-thoughts.html

    This is important.

    Talking about people who hate Britain, Hitchens writes: “And quite a few are in the high councils of the Tory Party. Who, for instance, said, back in 2004: ‘The nation states have had their day as powers. The world must be more ordered and centralised .  .  . it’s unstoppable and irreversible’?

    “Why, Lord Heseltine, David Cameron’s valued mentor, in the midst of explaining why Britain should have abolished the pound without a vote, because Fleet Street would have ‘pandered to the worst and basest instincts of the mass of people’.”

    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/10/some-thoughts-on-ralph-miliband.html

    Heseltine is not just a former Bilderberg member – that is how they think, by the way – he is Dave’s eminence grise.

    People like Heseltine decide who get to sit in the front desk of the Tory party.

    He is as powerful as they come. He is one of the real powers behind the throne.

    That is how the Tory party really thinks behind the scenes.

    That is why it is happy for Dave to appear on the front of Time magazine this year with the headline: ‘The good European’.

    Dave will have job wrapped up at some nation state hating multi-national off the back of that after he’s booted out.

    Heseltine has told you what he thinks of your piddling nation state – he wants rid of it.

    Despite Heseltine’s own business being mired in debt (it is presently in a fire sale of London prime site business premises)

    http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/haymarket-move-all-london-staff-one-richmond-based-office

    the Royal Bank of Scotland (state owned) has been very reluctant not to pull the plug on the Heseltine empire (despite putting a lot of other businesses out of their misery).

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/jan/24/rupert-heseltine-haymarket-media-group

    If you doubt the power of Heseltine, read below. The guy gets to do what he wants (he’s not popping in and out for coffee and a bit of WiFi use):

    Heseltine’s “office was cleared earlier this week, but when Lord Heseltine found out Number 10 had to intervene.

    “A senior aide to David Cameron is understood to have told the department that the office had to remain, and all of Lord Heseltine’s belongings and papers returned.”

    Number 10 intervened – who lives at Number 10?

    A senior aide to David Cameron, that is, a person who does the PM’s work for him. Dave ordered it himself.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2370354/Lord-Heseltines-office-secretly-cleared-civil-servants-stop-popping-10-months-finishing-growth-report.html

    He is in the Tory party’s nucleus and that is what they think of Europe. I’ll repeat the line: ‘The nation states have had their day as powers. The world must be more ordered and centralised .  .  . it’s unstoppable and irreversible.’

    Britain is going nowhere out of the EU with the Tory party.

    And there he was on TV last week calling UKIP a racist party.

    Heseltine will not have it.

    He will not have it.

    Got it?

  30. I love it so much.

    The Guardian, not the Bible, is the Western equivalent of The Koran.

    Spiteful, boring, full of murderous bile. This is the paper that put one of Osama Bin Laden’s outpourings on its op ed pages once with no disclaimer.

    How perfect!

  32. Some good news today. My failing MP, Helen Grant, has been sacked from the Ministry of Justice and moved to an important job in the Ministry of Sport. Of course no sport could take place in the UK without a Minister to organise it! Of course she can’t be sent back to the backbenches because she is a woman and of immigrant extraction.

  34. Just as the laws of the land in the UK do not apply to Muslims, neither do its customs.

    If any non-Muslim journalist ever spoke like Medhi Hasan did about ‘cattle’ and ‘kuffr’ they would not get invited on the BBC or have much of a career at all.

    They would certainly not get away with Hasan’s explanation that he was misinterpreted.

    For Hasan, that was the springboard to fame.

    Then Hasan was called a ‘liar’ by Andrew Gilligan in the Telegraph.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andrewgilligan/100159587/mehdi-hasan-liar-leaves-job/

    And now, with his grovelling letter to Paul Dacre, we find Medhi Hasan is a bigot, a liar and hypocrite.

    And in his hypocritical letter, Mr Hasan writes:

    “Dear Mr Dacre,

    “My name is Mehdi Hasan and I’m the New Statesman’s senior political editor. My good friend Peter Oborne suggested I drop you a line as I’m very keen to write for the Daily Mail.”

    http://order-order.com/2013/10/04/dear-mr-dacre/

    http://order-order.com/2013/10/07/mehdis-muddle/

    Medhi Hasan and Peter Oborne.

    Peas in a pod if ever there were.

    Peter Hitchens is right about Hasan. He will only get bigger. The media rules for Muslims are: it doesn’t matter how many times you’re exposed, there are special rules for you and we’ll give you coverage whatever you say. Scream and squawk away, Mr Hasan, Big Media is here to serve you and your ‘community’.

    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/10/mehdi-hasan-the-man-who-makes-me-feel-shy-retiring-and-modest.html

    A bigot, a liar, a hypocrite.

    The odd thing is, none of those is as damning as being a friend of Peter Oborne.

  35. Joany 21:42 – Thank you for an excellent post above! Very depressing, though because every word is true. There is no light at the end of the tunnel unless it is the growing glow of UKIP’s progress to a major and, as the internationalists running Britain and Europe, effective political voice.

  38. Helen Grant [the first black female conservative MP]:I should have thought she was as good a target for UKIP as any ;but Farage is talking of standing for Folkstone & Hythe although South Thanet is also mentioned.It means increasing the vote from 2000+ to 22000+.____________Boston & Skegness might be a better bet where a potential 4000 need to become 21000+.

  39. Do we in England have any equivalent to the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution?

  40. Malfleur@October 7th, 2013 – 23:15

    My views of Female Genital Mutilation have been expressed here (I think its evil and should be cracked down on with the full force of the law)

    But male genital mutilation is as bad. OK we give it a fine name (circumcision) but it involves unnecessary cutting of very small children. How it that right.

    I know some circumcisions are necessary for medical reasons. Thats fine. but doing it for cultural reasons is plainly not.

  41. I would be glad if Farage stood in Maidstone and the Weald to defeat Helen Grant. This would require increasing the UKIP vote of 1,637 to greater than that of the LibDems, who came second, assuming that many votes came from those Conservatives fed up with Grant (she was a Labour Party member until offered the safe seat of Anne Widdecombe). The LibDems got 17,602 in 2010. It’s doable. But it needs a constant barrage of activity and campaigning starting now, so that Conservative voters are asked to question why they vote for Grant.

  42. alexsandr
    October 8th, 2013 – 06:59

    Whilst agreeing with your underlying point, nevertheless, I am content for the Muslims to keep mutilating their sons.

    In the final analysis, when the chips are down, this may be the only method left to identify these scum and deal with them accordingly.

    By which, I fear we shall be using this method to determine who gets a lead innoculation.

  43. Clear Memories – 09:57
    alexsandr – 06:59

    It is better to treat circumcisions and FGM separately, as they are separate issues.

    The cultures within which these ‘operations’ are performed are not identical.

    The first is acknowledged, in fact, in many cultures, it is part of a ceremony, while the later is done secretly and is forgotten by everyone, except for those who it is done to!

    Those under the knife are not the same people.
    Those holding the knife are not the same people.
    One ‘operation’ is legal and the other illegal.
    One CAN be done for medical reasons, while the other has no medical excuse.

    In fact, there is little in common, apart from taking place in a similar body location, so why risk confusion and a lack of clarity?

    And conflating the two will certainly dilute the effectiveness of addressing the more serious problem of FGM which still has the advantage of being a growing practice, rather than an established practice.

  44. RobertC – 11:06 ‘another difference’
    One is part of an established religion while the other is just part of a culture.

  45. So after years of improving examination results, we get this:
    Young worse at maths and English than grandparents and behind ‘almost every other nation’
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/secondaryeducation/10362749/Young-worse-at-maths-and-English-than-grandparents-and-behind-almost-every-other-nation.html

    We are not surprised, are we? Even in the eighties, the world of educational was disintegrating, with Science teachers complaining about slipping standards, and the teachers being given tasks that were not theirs to perform.

    How anyone can teach pupils when the class does not have a common language in which to communicate is beyond me! Yet the teachers remained silent.

    How anyone can teach in a school, or even want to, when customs are so varied is also beyond me. When very young children (<6 years) demand, aggressively, to be different and the adults have to comply because of the PC police, standards can only deteriorate.

    Mother withdraws her son, 14, from Muslim school after he was ‘banned from looking at female students’ as Government threatens closure over how it is run
    * Jacqueline Crossley has pulled her son out of Al-Madinah free school
    * She says the 14-year-old was only non-religious pupil at the school
    * Mother says she was not allowed to sit next to her son at awards night
    * School was temporarily closed last week following Ofsted inspection
    * Headteacher closed the school due to a ‘health and safety issue’
    “‘At an awards night, I wanted to sit with my son and enjoy the evening.
    ‘But he said: “No, mum, you can’t the woman aren’t allowed to sit with the men” – and there was a big partition in the hall so I couldn’t see him. I was stunned.'”
    (Read the article, as there is too much to quote!)
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449394/Boy-Muslim-school-banned-looking-female-students.html

    One day, people will put two and two together, but it will be some time, I fear!

  46. Robert C above, says “It will be a long time, I fear.” I don’t. I think they see it now and are frightened to say anything thus avoiding the most fearful epithet in Britain: “racist”.

    It is not the British people, who daily witness the erosion of their ancient society, with the complicity of their rulers, who are in any way to blame for this state of affairs.. They don’t want all this, but if they complain, they are arrested for “racism”. Afficionados of allah and mohammad are not, of course, a race, but a destructive, greedy and cruel belief or sect. Yet they never seem to get arrested for expressing their “beliefs”. “Racism”, as though islam is a not race, as Judaism is, has achieved iconic status through destruction, violence and threats. The British left engineered this. They are so egotistical that they don’t know it, but they are being used.

    The French know better and don’t tolerate any of this.

  47. RobertC – 11:08
    “..One is part of an established religion while the other is just part of a culture…”

    islam- Salmonella Typhi in the petrie dish of western civilisation.

  50. I visited the other Coffee House yesterday evening; something I have not done in many months.

    I clicked on a link to a discussion on the non-too bright Andy Burnham, after reading a few I clicked on the left hand positive arrow and the positive comment increased by one, a bit further on I clicked on the right hand disagree arrow, only to be told that to give adverse comment I would need to be signed in.

    After much hunting around I eventually found my WEB ID number in our green bin, the web id forms part of the address label that my weekly Spectator is delivered by.

    And so I logged in with that, only to be told that to give an adverse comment I would need to sign in.

    What an earth is going on, however it did explain why so many of the troll Telemachus comments had no disagreeing ticks.

  51. David Ossitt : You probable have to sign in separately with the DISQUS system which operates the comments boards.

  55. Ann has a pop at Jorge Mario Bergoglio aka ‘Frankie the Pontiff’ and ends with a thought-provoking, albeit gruesome flourish:

    http://www.barnhardt.biz/2013/10/01/the-gospel-rewritten-by-pope-francis/

    Perhaps we need a little more gruesome in our lives to awaken us to the exploding depravity of the species.

    If I were Frankie, I’d have word with my bodyguards’. He’s known to be a little lax in the security department. Wouldn’t want to cross this cookie:

    http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://revoltoftheplebs.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/ann-barnhardt4.jpg&imgrefurl=http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/04/30/an-up-and-coming-female-breivik/&h=821&w=450&sz=37&tbnid=mXef8IK9MkW3fM:&tbnh=126&tbnw=69&zoom=1&usg=__B8p_JyX-l-9ffp1m1OO7pxI5ugo=&docid=pyGAoMsCqjBHsM&itg=1&sa=X&ei=PEpUUqr2LKbG0AW7rYCgAQ&ved=0CDgQ9QEwAQ

  56. Yes, the Gates of Vienna analysis is pretty much what I surmised when I read the headlines.

    You cannot underestimate the level of panic induced by LibLabCon losing its grip on the windpipe of British politics.

    The elites are in full-on Orwell mode to close down thought and opposition.

    It has happened in Greece with Golden Dawn. They cannot outlaw political parties in Greece, so there they trumped up some criminal charges to outlaw them.

    And this has happened in the UK.

    All of these fringe groups are, to some extent, infiltrated and sometimes run by MI5.

    And Unite Against Fascism is a proxy for the Labour Party.

    And Quilliam – well, as soon as I saw that! There’ll be remuneration for joining them. That’s what that is all about.

    Having said that. What did the EDL ever achieve?

    Nothing, sadly. Their PR was dreadful. I can see they acted as an outlet for anger – but not a very good one.

    There is a need for opposition, don’t get me wrong, but not with pubs and alcohol.

    The EDL was very different from the Tea Party here in the States. They have a pretty good playbook to use if you want to set up a loosely defined opposition.

    The best that can be hoped for as Britons are trampled on underfoot by Islam – see that poor schoolboy today banned from looking at female pupils – is the introduction of a law defending free speech.

    The US has it and it has hamstrung all opposition in the UK.

    You literally cannot say boo to a goose.

    People ask why UKIP cannot set out its stall on Islam. It cannot. It could fall foul of the laws – and boy would they stitch them up like kippers as they have Robinson.

    What UKIP has done is say it wants to introduce free speech into the UK.

    We can’t say ‘re-introduce’ because the UK has not had it within living memory.

    That, given the constraints of the law, is the best that UKIP can do.

    Get that back and then you might have a debate about Islam.

    That starting point is very important. You have to go back to the fount.

    Dealing with Islam is pollution way down the river. If you haven’t got the horse before the cart, that is, the right to free speech, then you can forget discussing Islam because you’lll be snared by thought crimes.

    That is not fair, but the UK should have been more awake when the unfair laws were drafted. They were never meant to kick-in straight away.

    It’s not called the Long March for nothing.

    Free speech should be a right.

    UKIP is very good at understanding the legal minefields it has to cross before it can get past the corrupt British authorities and I see today some future candidates will be lawyers.

    They will need that experience.

    Today is one of those days when those who hide in the shadows have made their presence felt.

  57. I read the Alex Massie piece. Looks as if it could have been dictated by a civil servant in the Home Office.

    Let me reproduce this by Daniel Maris before it’s censored:

    One thing we don’t take seriously is someone sitting up in the borders in bucolic splendour telling us mass immigration and huge population growth are good for us.

    I presume you are not going to say that there is no MI5 involvement in the EDL? Assuming you’re not, then neither you nor I know what it amounted to.

    Likewise with the very oddly named Quilliam (named after William Henry Quilliam, who changed his name to Abdullah Quilliam and later Henri Marcel Leon or Haroun Mustapha Leon, and was a 19th-century convert from Christianity to Islam, noted for founding England’s first mosque and Islamic centre).

    Where have they sprung from and what are they about?

    Although they claim funding transparency through their annual report their annual report isn’t on their website! What is Quilliam’s game?

    They say they don’t want Sharia to be made state law…well obviously if you have enough Quilliam converts in the country you don’t need state law, it just is the law of the Umma.

    Nowhere do they condemn Sharia law which sanctions polygamy, child marriage, severe punishment for apostasy and homosexuality, and second class status for non-Muslims.

  58. Radford NG
    October 8th, 2013 – 16:32

    David Ossitt : You probable have to sign in separately with the DISQUS system which operates the comments boards.

    Thank you.

  59. Radford NG

    The EDL thugs fall apart.
    Tommy, a really nice chap, feels some of the others do not quite play cricket.
    So where to now?
    The Monday Club are in need of direction.

    The Club’s longstanding links with the Conservative Party were suspended on 18 October 2001 by Iain Duncan Smith because of its views on race and immigration. Remember the Club advocated a policy of voluntary or financially assisted repatriation of ethnic minorities to their countries of ethnic origin. (This policy was removed in August 2001 from the Club’s stated aims on its website after BBC’s Radio 4’s Today programme pointed out that it was the same as advocated by the British National Party.)

  60. The below quoted article was forwarded to me the other day. Is the writer wrong?:

    Sunday, 6 October 2013

    “You probably know of the tragedies that took place last Thursday.

    “First a planeload of Nigerians did what planes piloted by Nigerians frequently do……..plummeted to earth with a mighty bang.

    “Then a boatload of Somalis seeking the good life courtesy of the European taxpayer went belly up near the Italian coast. A bad day.

    “The output from the commentariat was predictable. Aristotelian ethics (I like to add a touch of class to this blog occasionally) proclaims that impractical morality is no morality at all. No wonder it’s not taught in schools any more as it would clearly reveal the profound hypocrisy of ‘liberals’, today’s moral guardians.

    “Regarding the boating tragedy for example that bald queer you see on France24 demanded ‘a dramatic increase in resources’ to avoid such tragedies.

    “Similar claims were made in just about every other MSM outlet as well. The Pope said something similar before turning on his Gucci-clad heels and departing on his private jet to his Somali-free Autumn holiday residence.

    “It’s so easy to win the Competitive Altruism sweep stake when you have nothing at stake.

    “Because of course the one certain inescapable practical way to end ‘boat people’ tragedies is for would-be travellers to realise that on being caught they will immediately – immediately – be returned to the nearest point on the North African coast and dumped there. Result? Instant and complete cessation of such boating accidents.

    “But that will never do for the posturing gallery of ivory-towered geeks diligently trained in not seeing what’s in front of their noses, together with the bought-and-paid-for whores in the MSM and the Immigration Industry.

    “You see, those people do not want this problem solved. They want it to go on so as to justify their positions and funding (just like the military and intelligence agencies always require an enemy).

    “And then they blame the rest of us for our failure to recognise the wonderful, unspecified benefits of filling our countries with the kind of people who build the kind of countries those same people are desperate to escape from.

    “Will Shakespeare assured us that ‘the whirligig of time brings in his revenges’. Well I hope so Will, but I’m getting impatient. In any event, let us all continue shining the light on all of these treacherous cockroaches in the meantime.”

    http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-black-day.html

  61. On Tommy again

    Has he called off the potentially socially disruptive Bradford Rally on Saturday that was set up under his leadership?

    I note Tommy’s interview with Jon Snow on Channel 4 was censored

  62. Tommy, late of the EDL. Was he made an offer he couldn’t refuse? Shades of the “Godfather”

  63. Anne (20:45)

    The Mafia analogy doesn’t fit, believe me. If it did he would have whacked long ago – for ‘bringing heat’.

    Two other mafia tenets may be apropos:

    “Follow the money!” & “When money talks, bullshit walks.” 🙂

  65. The judiciary are criminally insane. Baby P’s mother is being released early. They let the swine who lived with her and tormented the poor baby out early, and now he has been found to have breached the conditions of his release and is back in prison. I seriously wonder whether the judiciary are paedophiles in addition to being criminally insane.

  66. Telegraph: Januzaj, the Belgium-born son of Albanian-Kosovan parents who is also eligible for Turkey and Serbia, could play for England in 2018 under Fifa residency rules and the Football Association has taken tentative soundings about the Manchester United winger’s availability. His loyalties truly lie elsewhere.
    Wilshere is unimpressed even by the debate.
    “The only people who should play for England are English people,’’ he said after training at St George’s Park in preparation for Friday’s World Cup qualifier with Montenegro.
    “If you live in England for five years it doesn’t make you English. You shouldn’t play. It doesn’t mean you can play for a country. If I went to Spain and lived there for five years I’m not going to play for Spain.’’”

    Quite right!

  68. Radford NG – thanks for your links to Gates of Vienna

    “…The first carrot was his early release. That was followed by a series of increasingly unpleasant sticks — arrest after arrest after arrest. Later this month he is facing trial for one of the Woolwich-related arrests. Presumably the judicial authorities had a quiet word with him about how long he would spend behind bars this time. He may have been facing the prospect of only being able to see his kids once a week through that glass wall, while they grew up without him. He might have seen his family forced into destitution, ostracism, and humiliation.

    Then along came the Quilliam carrot. The Quilliam Foundation is one of those quasi-governmental entities that exists to serve the purposes of the governing elites. A coordinated strategy involving it would serve to decapitate the EDL, driving much of the membership of the regional divisions into the arms of the BNP. …”

    Another victory for the Frank Ps and Patriccia Shaws of our country.

  69. Joany (20:06)

    “Is the writer wrong?”

    The eye of the beholder. Even Google is not sure – there is a health warning on that link, apparently due to complaints. 🙂

  70. “…What really makes the well-coiffed heads in Whitehall turn prematurely white is the thought that growing support for the EDL might merge with the grassroots surge that is now pushing UKIP ahead of one or more major parties in local elections and public opinion polls. An EDL-UKIP juggernaut must be their big nightmare, and that has now been shrewdly avoided by moving Tommy and Kevin into a harmless position within an organization that acts as a stooge for the government….

    …Tommy is a courageous scrapper with an uncommon amount of grit. A lesser man would have folded years ago. I have no illusions about my own courage — I would have given in the first time the cell door clanged shut behind me, or when the first fist connected with my cheekbone. Tommy has earned my enduring admiration…”.

    [ibid.]

  71. “Takuan Seiyo on October 8, 2013 at 2:34 pm said:

    I am sorry, I cannot agree with this benign assessment. These two men were leaders of thousands. Leadership calls for special qualities. They are traitors not only to their professed ideas but also to their followers.

    A married Christ with children would certainly not have caved in, and there are quite a few of his utterances in the NT to support this assertion. Moreover, thousands of Christians under Roman persecution knew what the consequence would be to themselves and to their families, yet persevered. The Jews too have stories like that, e.g. Hannah sacrificing her seven sons in the 2nd Book of Maccabbees rather than sacrificing the belief that was animating them. Moreover, and that’s the most important point, contemporary Muslims are willing to die for their belief, and to sacrifice their families. There are several stories of Palestinian mothers losing a son who was a suicide bomber, and offering their remaining sons for the same task.

    There are countless examples of Russian dissidents under Lenin and Stalin who knew they were risking death for themselves and Siberia for their families, yet they persevered. Moreover, they would indeed be murdered by the state and their families would be sent to Siberia, there to die as often as not, yet it did not deter further dissidents.

    Poland’s greatest contemporary poet, Zbigniew Herbert, spent his post-war years under the commies in near starvation for himself and his family, denied the possibilities of employment, recognition and even publishing, yet he never wavered in his opposition to communism that he expressed incomparably in his works. He watched a lesser talent, Czeslaw Milosz, who was willing to “bend a little,” garner the easy life and eventually the Nobel Prize — and still Herbert did not cave.

    In German resistance too there are many examples. Stauffenberg knew exactly what would happen to him and his family if his plot would be discovered. Indeed, while his own last words before his execution were “Long live our sacred Germany!”, his brother would be strangled by the state — repeat, by the state — with piano wire, his wife would be forced into destitution, and his five children would be forcibly placed in foster homes under new family names. And how much more was this wealthy and provileged aristocrat-warrior risking than Robinson and Carroll were.

    All of the British Isles cannot produce leaders who, to save their people from the totalitarian ideology of a metastasized state, are willing to risk jail for themselves and starvation for their families? How far will such attitude take Britons and the rest of us versus the courageous determination (whatever else one might say about it) of the Muslims? This is a historical black day that will live in infamy.
    Reply ↓

    Jolie Rouge on October 8, 2013 at 3:51 pm said:

    @Takuan Seiyoi,

    I totally agree with you.
    Reply ↓
    Seneca III on October 8, 2013 at 4:11 pm said:

    Likewise.
    Baron Bodissey on October 8, 2013 at 4:09 pm said:

    Tak –

    I take your point.

    All I can say is that Tommy is a better man than I am, Gunga Din.

    I could not do what he has done. Therefore I am not fit to judge him.”
    (Ibid.)

  75. Don’t miss Rod Liddle’s mega piss-take on the Diane Fatbot sacking; more importantly make sure you scroll down to Austin Barry’s riposte at (9 hours ago).

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/rod-liddle/2013/10/ed-miliband-has-just-sacked-britains-most-accomplished-black-politician-diane-abbott/

    Rod even managed to dredge up a photo of her in her orange mode. Any insider know how much she gets paid per gig for Brillo’s show? A quick return to the couch will no doubt help pay off the private school fees.

  77. Alex Jones is magnificent! Here he is on October 8th still fighting back after 18-20 years as the lights go out all over America.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e44CXFvTiA

    Those who listen to that link and have also read the piece by Tommy Robinson on the story of his harassment by the state which I posted here in full last week and those who have reflected on the new Armani uniforms for our beloved and newly established NATIONAL CRIME AGENCY will have a good idea of what in store for us in England.

  78. Tommy again

    “I don’t hate Muslims. Luton is a completely multicultural town and from day one we’ve wanted to embrace everyone; all colours and creeds.”

    Yeah Right

  79. Tommy Robinson has never changed his language from day one.

    Even after being what we can assume is state blackmail, he came out with this tweet yesterday:

    ‘Whilst I want to lead a revolution against Islamist ideology, I don’t want to lead a revolution against Muslims.’

    When did he ever suggest differently?

  80. Malfleur, October 9th, 2013 – 00:20

    “Another victory for the Frank Ps and Patriccia Shaws of our country.”

    Wassup, there, FehlerBlume? Doing the St Vitus dance? – too much “Strictly” old chum. No need to thrash about in such an undignified manner, just because the leader of your cause célèbre is now widely deemed to have sold out. He was only ever a one man band despite the claims of his enthusiasts that he was a leader of, quite literally, ooh, er… dozens.

  81. Quilliam just seems like a spin doctoring outfit for Islam in the UK.

    Maajid Nawaz is himself an ‘ex’ Islamist.

    Why, if Robinson wants to leave the EDL, must it involve joining Quilliam?

    Because it gives Quilliam some credibility (the puppet masters hope).

    It didn’t need to involve the very dodgy outfit Quilliam at all.

    Tommy Robinson’s position on Islam has not changed from last week to this week. So what’s the need for Quilliam?

    That’s why the whole thing stinks of the Funny People twisting arms and whispering threats.

  82. I have to say, I have very little time for the Guardian, but I have loved every minute of their Edward Snowden revelations.

    The Shariagraph reports:

    The leaks of thousands of GCHQ files by CIA spy Edward Snowden have caused “enormous damage” and handed terrorists the “gift” to attack the UK “at will”, the new head of MI5 has warned.

    Well, he would say that, wouldn’t he?

  85. The resignation of Mr Robinson offers the EDL a real opportunity to become a genuine popular right wing movement with the baggage attached to a man with various criminal convictions?

    But will they take it?

  86. Frank P
    Whilst on the subject of erotomania, I always thought that there was scope for a career change when ‘Jack boots’ Jackie left the Home Office to operate an erotic Ebay dvd business from her sister’s back bedroom, with a reconditioned sink plug sideline.

  87. Noa (09:49)

    Chuter Ede must be turning in his grave. 🙂

    And just to remind those of us, whose leaves are beginning to turn flame, gold and ochre in the late autumn of our lives, that nothing has ever been very much different, perhaps this look back at the Attlee Government’s little problems is timely:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Chuter_Ede

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynskey_Tribunal

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Stanley

    They should have looked a bit more closely at Harold Wilson’s burgeoning career as an accomplished spiv when he was President of the Board of Trade. In those days it was reportedly shoe boxes rather than brown envelopes that were delivered from the entrails of the underworld to whited sepulchres of Whitehall.
    As someone noted above, plus ca change. Sir Hartley Shawcross decided that ‘prosecutions would not have been in the public interest’. Of course not!

    And they want muzzle the press? And the intertubes? DMAFF!

    Thanks for the Sep 30 Hitchen’s link, I had missed it. Surprised it hasn’t found its way on to this forum before. I suppose the Milibollox distracted us. Wonder if Adolphe knew Sidney Stanley?

  89. Frank P

    Thank you for an enjoyable trip down memory lane. It was before my time, but it shows that some things never change; most notably the unvaunted personal ambitions of immigrants, whether financial or political, or both, which are often entirely unrestricted by their hosts’ values or scruples.

    One passage in particular caught my eye.
    “…In November 1947 an MI5 report recorded that a man named “Stanley” had been passing information to Irgun from cabinet minister Manny Shinwell. Shinwell certainly knew Stanley whom he had approached for help in finding employment for his son Ernie, and Stanley had obtained information on the disbandment of the Transjordan Frontier Force from some government source…”

    Lord Shinwell eh? That grand old man of the British left and the nearest thing to a saint that a marxist would acknowledge.

    How many of today’s immigrant MPs’ would be prepared to do something similar for their ethnic brothers and ‘cousins’, at the expense of their hosts interests?
    All of them, one suspects.

  90. Rumour has it that recruitment has already commenced in order to ensure that only employees of the highest quality are depolyed in the Gulf States’ crack teams. These will use the latest scientific methods to identify the ‘undesirables’ and bar their entry.
    Acknowledged experts in their fields, Ben D’uon and Phil McCavity have already been approached in their stalls at Glasgow airport to cover all approaches.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/10/gulf-states-to-introduce-medical-testing-on-travellers-to-detect-gay-people-and-stop-them-from-enter.htm

  91. Your post of 19:21 was very well put, Joany. The EDL’s crime was to be honest and up-front in its goals and such impertinence upset – and threatened – those in mighty power. So was your excellent post of 20:06.

    Welcome on board!

    Frank P 21:20.

    Gosh what a lively bunch of comments this morning (my time)! Great breakfast reading!

  92. I see the subs at The Mail still have not mastered English. Here’s a headline from today:

    “Mexico monster truck driver charged with manslaughter after vehicle careered into crowd, killing nine spectators”

    Careened, dear. Careened.

  93. Thus spake brave Horatius,
    The Captain of the gate,
    “To every man upon this earth
    Death cometh soon or late.
    And how can man die better,
    Than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers,
    And the temples of his gods”

    Someone should tip the wink to the Boarder Agency, and, while they are at it, to Diane bloody Abbot.

  94. It’s been a typical autumn day in Lancashire, between brief bursts of sunshine the rain clouds roll in periodically from the Irish sea, deposit some of their contents on us and move implacabibly towards the Pennines and West Yorkshire.
    I have finished chain sawing, chopping and stacking the last of the wood, (some nice hot but slow burning cherry,) for winter 2015. After all, whichever Green party is in power by then, the lights and the heating will be going out!
    And for the other news of interest on the right, the EDL is now rid of its serial criminal and has the opportunity to develop into a movement of real stature. Will it be able to take it? Who knows? There is intelligent life there, witness the statement on the website.
    That certainly wasn’t written by Mr Yaxley-Thompson. On the other hand, given the Paroled One’s sudden ‘conversion’, (expect to see him following his new role at the fink tank with a guest appearance at the Luton mosque shortly,) don’t you think it’s likely that the EDL’s membership list is now in the hands of Unite against Faciism and its controller, the Socialist Workers’ Party?
    Does any Wallster need to be worried about that?
    Even more likely, it’s in the hands of Herr Grant von Schnapps; even now the phone calls are being made from Millbank Towers:-
    ” Guten abend, I mean gut afternoon! Will you be interested in joining der conservative party?
    You vill not? Why not! We have ways of making you change your mind!…”
    And the next thing you know, Wikileaks will be spreading the EDL membership database worldwide. Or at least in the Guardian, which means members will be losing their benefits and JSA in short order as its bien pensant readers review their claims lists. ‘It may be our tax money, but it’s disbursed at their discretion’.

    And in other news, in France Marin Le Pen is talking about an alliance with Geert Wilders. Will UKIP be the next to be approached?

    http://news.google.com/news/story?ncl=http://www.english.rfi.fr/europe/20130914-frances-marine-le-pen-suggests-campaigning-far-right-dutch-geert-wilders&hl=en&geo=GB

  95. Verity October 9th, 2013 – 15:20

    “by the bye”

    I mentioned to my wife that you have written on a number of occasions that the child bride of the paedophile prophet was the one who actually wrote the Koran.
    She did a quick double-take and then said “strange from a creed who do not educate their women” they must have changed a lot over the centuries.

  96. Stephen Maybury

    “Boarder Agency?” What rate do they charge?

    Is that a Freudian slip or a deliberate test to see who’s paying attention! 🙂

  97. David Ossitt – I said Aisha is credited with having written some of it, probably taking dictation from mo … although by all accounts she was clever and maybe did actually write parts (and all she is credited with is parts, but it’s still an outstanding achievement for the place and times) of it. I believe I read that she also took dictation from mo’ himself on some of the occasions when he wasn’t disabled by an epileptic seizure.

    Also credited with writing parts of the q’ran is a local scribe who took down what mo’ said, or the scribe thought he said. A mo’ was he was in the throes of a seizure, there would probably not have been much that was coherent, and the scribe probably wrote down the words he thought it sounded like, or that made the most sense.

    Mo’ may have taught her to read. She was his favourite and, as a child, may have asked to learn and he indulged her. He “married” her when she was six and she became his favourite wife.

    Noa – “Boarder Agency”! Ha ha!

  98. Frank P October 9th, 2013 – 02:19

    “At least there will be less of the Myra Hindley lookalike, Jacqui Smiff. Ugh!”

    Frank your post nudged an opinion long held, which is that the New Labour Government so loathed the populace that they decided to throw shit in our faces by promoting this incompetent, ill-educated, inconsequential tub of lard to one of the highest offices in the land.

    Rod Liddle had them bang to rights in the Spectator a couple of weeks back, when he wrote that for much of their thirteen years in government we were governed by the criminally insane, he cited as an example of a huge row betwixt Campbell, Mandelson and Blair, where the fragrant one had a hissy-fit not as you might imagine over some important matter of state but their disagreement over the question should Blair wear cords and a jumper or else a suit to give a speech.

    These three dickheads to be followed by the sad, bad and truly mad Gordon, no wonder we are in the state we are in.

  100. Its not at all certain that Mohammed ever existed. Perhaps only a brutal but successful warlord. Scholarship suggests he is a mythic figure rather like King Arthur and the Koran was made up later to suit the leaders of what became Islam.

  102. It’s worth watching yesterday evening’s Newsnight if you missed it.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03cp264/Newsnight_08_10_2013/

    A whole chronicle of people trying to justify bad decisions and Utopian dreams, resulting in chaos, mayhem and a blacker future than even I envisaged in my most gloomy prognostications. And the smug Paxo ‘rising above it all’ as master of ceremonies – he gets more insufferable by the day.

    Then glance westwards and see the story unfolding there; not much comfort around, is there?

  103. P from M, who proposses that ol’ mo’ my never have really existed, then why the epilepsy? If it was an imaginary figure, they wouldn’t have ascribed epilepsy to him.

  105. P from M – Could you post a link?

    It would be a fun fact to know that mo’ had never existed, but I don’t think that the people who invented him would have ascribed epilepsy to him. They didn’t call it epilepsy, of course, as they didn’t know the term. But they did ascribe kind of fits where he would starting jerking about and mumbling incoherently. Scribes took down what they thought he must probably said.

  107. Two recent papers were published in History Today and the BBC History magazine. I am at my son’s football practice so can’t readily post a link on my phone. I’ll do so if none else does before I get home.

  111. For a challenging view from a marxist perspective comrade Wallsters might like to test their thought buds with ‘Spiked!”

    “The magazine focuses on issues of freedom and state control, science and technology. It seeks to counter positions such as multiculturalism, environmentalism and what they see as a recent trend in Western foreign policy: humanitarian intervention.
    Spiked claims that it opposes all forms of censorship, by the state or otherwise. Its writers call for a repeal of libel, hate speech and incitement laws. They have criticised laws targeted at paedophiles. Spiked also regularly critique risk society; animal rights; political correctness; and environmentalism. As regards the latter, a particular Spiked target has been what they see as “exaggerated” and “hysterical” interpretations of the scientific consensus on global warming.

    Other notable positions of Spiked are their opposition to the post-9/11 invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and Western aid for or interference in developing nations in general.
    Spiked has been described by journalists such as Oliver Kamm and George Monbiot of pursuing a right-wing and pro-corporate agenda under a guise of being left-wing. Some have said that Spiked’s stance has more in common with free-market libertarians than with the left….”
    If politics is a circle this is, nowadays, where left and right may touch and co-mingle, try, for example, this defence of privacy by Frank Furedi to see if you agree…

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/in_defence_of_privacy_frank_furedi/14096#.UlWsFxD-tu4

  112. P from M — Interesting. So there are no contemporary accounts of Mo’ having fits or anything? That seems strange … that C8th writers would ascribe the symptoms of epilepsy to someone who had lived hundreds of years before, and it never being mentioned previously. I wonder what gave them the idea.

  116. The White House threat to default is in any case incoherent. If a default is so “catastrophic”, then why threaten to do it when there are other options, either the loophole of a $2 trillion platinum coin, or more plausibly by slashing spending to make ends meet.
    Telegraph today.

    I wonder how many people understand the loophole of the 2 trillion plat coin.
    Less than 1 in a 1.000 I would guess.
    And if you understand it you know the worlds gone mad if that makes sense.

  117. I am in Norway and I now discover I can read Norwegian .
    Front page of one of their main newspapers this morning is two words.
    PENSIONS TIMEBOMB.

  124. Noa – thanks for the link to the always coherent and lucid Sultan Knish. His post is horrrifying, although it contains no new facts. Just facts we are all aware of.

    P from M, I honestly could not believe the photo above until I saw it was posted by you. I lived in France and know how the French loathe the immigrants. I never talked to one French person who could see a single benefit in the importing of backwards tribes. I think Marie Le Pen will be the country’s next president.

  127. Verity,
    Thanks for the link…
    Let us restore the status quo and immediately return all slave descendants of Caribbean origin, regardless of where they now live, to their African, Irish and Scottish homelands.
    The cost of their return to be borne by the descendants of the African and arab slavers, and the Scottish and Irish governments, who sold and deported them.

  128. Quilliam the Conqueror

    “…Yesterday it became clear that Tommy Robinson has been made an offer that he couldn’t refuse. He and Kevin Carroll announced their exit from the English Defence League, and Tommy is now prominently opposing “extremism in all its forms” as an affiliate of the Quilliam Foundation.

    It’s no surprise that progressive-minded folks on both sides of the Atlantic are gloating over the decapitation of the EDL,

    [Hey, Wallsters! If the cap fits, wear it!]

    and celebrating Tommy’s efforts on behalf of “moderate” Muslims. Certain of our colleagues among anti-Shariah conservatives have jumped on the same bandwagon, voicing their relief that Tommy has abandoned the “extreme right-wing” or “neo-fascist” elements of the EDL….[contd”

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/10/introducing-w-h-abdullah-quilliam/

    I shall post a short further comment on the terrierists snapping at my ankles later.

  129. “The Crusades were a response to the desecration of the Christian shrines in the Holy Land, the destruction of churches, and the general persecution of Christians in the Near East. A Crusade to be considered legitimate had to fulfill strict criteria; one did not enter into it lightly for self aggrandizement. There had to be a legally sound reason. It was, in other words, waged for purposes of repelling violence or injury and the imposition of justice on wrongdoers. A Crusade was never a war of conversion, rather a rightful attempt to recover Christian territory which had been injuriously seized in the past. Only a recognized authority could formally declare a Crusade, and it had to be waged justly.”

    So, is it time for another crusade?

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/142208/sec_id/142208

  130. PfM 10th, – 13:36

    “One of our regulars has sent me the following post…”

    2 – 3 hour déjeuner (avec du vin) and anybody would lose their place on the team!

  131. Noa October 10th, 2013 – 15:48

    “So, is it time for another crusade?”

    Absolutely but as in the past there were many Crusades we should start very close, very near to home.

  133. Verity (14:39)

    Thing is, V, most of ’em may well be French international footballers, but many now live in the UK and play for EPL teams. And a week’s wages of any one of ’em would buy you a hacienda in one of the nicer parts of historic Norfolk, where you could hang your signed portrait of Noel Coward. And that’s probably worth a few bob now, too.

  135. Ve-ri-ty!!

    How remiss of you. It would have made his night – or maybe his day. He would have preferred a dashing young man to have ask for one – now THAT would have made his night. 🙂

  136. Noa @ 15.48:

    The New English Review piece reads well, it doesn’t add much however to the conservative or rather the balanced take on the crusades. Not all of the crusaders were informed by the plight of Christians, the destruction of churches and stuff, there were some hangers-on, hence the chance for the false interpretation of the crusades.

    And as for another crusade? Well, aren’t we still meddling in the near Levant countries? And failing?

  137. Peter fM’s French soccer teams:

    If the new boys are better kicking the ball, what’s the problem?

  138. Stand by for a real wankfest next week. Sky news are runnng a week’s programmes on immigration. Be prepared for a brainwashing in multi-culti advantages, with a smattering of interviews with scrotes in the anti-camp looking like Neanderthal, cerebrally challenged, low-foreheaded bigots – all objecting for the wrong reasons.

  140. Noa @ 13.14

    Sultan’s writings sit on top of Baron’s must-read list. The piece you’re referring to reads very well, hard to argue with it except for one thing. The most obvious almost never happens in the end.

    Baron fully appreciates your rejection of his take on things, but give it time, you may change your mind.

    The immigrants are far from united, and not all are from Muslim countries, and even if they are, they themselves aren’t buddies anyway. Whether you like it or not, some have adopted our ways of doing things (example: the Head of a Regional CPS who jumped on one of the girl grooming gangs), some are getting westernised. Baron can give you a living example of a Muslim girl revolting against a forced marriage, and she probably isn’t the only one.

    But above all, the idea of the caliphate rests on the oil money. That’s not a solid foundation for anything as grand as world domination, the Austrian corporal had a far better base, the backing of the German folks, (and failed). The article in the New English Review gives you the evidence of their key weakness. Leaving out oil, the Arab countries have FA to export. When we come up with oil substitute, develop shale gas, abandon the idiocy of wind farms and start digging coal up again (or converting it underground) in massive amounts, they’ll get starved of funds, the caliphate obsession will get filed as pending as it did before.

    Have faith, the brain of the West has conquered before, it will conquer again for it is in the end the intellectual superiority that wins the day.

  141. Peter fM @ 20.21:

    Aren’t we trying something similar with the new ‘wonder’ boy of a Kosovo/Albanian origin, you know the one who scored twice last weekend but one for MU and became a superstar overnight?

    Baron would be worried if you had two pictures of the French Government showing the same colour change. (Please, everyone, avoid telling the barbarian soon it will happen….)

  143. Long ago when many of us here resided in that part of the blogosphere known as ‘The Daily Ablution’, hosted by Scott Burgess (who was also an excellent cook) he used to run a foodie night on Fridays occasionally and provide us with recipes for delicious foods.

    For that reason I draw attention to American Digest today (pun intended) where Gerard has posted an amusing essay about Curly Kale, which in itself is a worthy yarn; but in the comments section of the thread, ‘Metternic’ has offered a menu for soup that includes grünkohl and bacon that really is delicious.

    Incidentally Scott was instrumental in exposing, on TDA, a mole from Hizb ut-Tahir on the Guardian staff.

    http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/american_studies/theyre_coming_to_make_me.php

    Tommy Robinson should look it up, given his new band of friends. Tasty!

  144. The French government is easing language skills requirements and streamlining the administration in charge of granting French citizenship to reverse a fall in the number of naturalisations since 2010.

    French Interior Minister Manuel Valls has introduced new measures to make French citizenship more accessible after the government of former President Nicolas Sarkozy tightened naturalisation laws.

    At a cabinet meeting on Wednesday, he presented a decree reorganising the administration in charge of granting French citizenship.

    “Regional platforms” will start processing the applications in eastern France next week on behalf of local offices in an attempt to curb what the government described as the “strong heterogeneity in the practices observed at the 186 processing sites nationwide and in the way applications were processed (duration, clearance rate).”

    Some offices were found to reject 10% more applicants than the national average.

    In the Lorraine region, naturalisation decisions will now be made by a committee including the local prefect and “two qualified persons chosen by him for their ability to evaluate a person’s path towards integration”.

    Prefects, the highest government representatives in France’s administrative districts, have so far made the decision alone.

    If successful, the new procedures will apply nationwide from 2015.

    Another decree expected later this week will remove language tests for graduates of French-speaking universities and over 60s, and allow applicants who failed the written test a second-chance interview in French.

    “I can only welcome measures that facilitate the naturalisation process for people who have been here for a very long time and are the backbone of their family – I’m thinking of immigrant women who have been rejected because they do not speak the language,” said Pierre Henry, executive director of France Terre d’Asile. His organisation lobbies for migrants’ rights.

    Yet he argued that two decrees were not enough to reverse a trend that has seen the number of naturalisations halve under former President Nicolas Sarkozy, from 95,000 in 2010 to 46,000 last year.

    “Six laws toughened access to citizenship between 2006 and 2011, they should be revised. The Parliament needs to step in,” Pierre Henry said.

    Manuel Valls himself was born a Spanish citizen and became French when he was 20 years old through the very same naturalisation process. Shortly after becoming interior minister as a result of the Socialist Party’s electoral victory last year, he had instructed the administration to stop rejecting citizenship applications for reasons such as the lack of a full-time job.

    Since then, the number of naturalisations has increased by 14%.

  145. Frank P 20:06 – Ha ha ha ha ha! Actually Noel Coward liked women a lot … he just wasn’t attracted to them.

    Frank P 20:12 – I am certain a 100% correct prediction. A safe bet.

    Baron 20:29 – A sure fire, odds-on, projection.

  146. Peter from Maidstone
    October 10th, 2013 – 20:21

    Baron, none of them are French in any meaningful sense though.

    So I guess this is correct.

    Or is it?

  147. Baron

    Living in bien pensant post-islamic Lancashire I rather take the view that most of the integrating is done by the indigenous natives; who have lost their religion, culture, jobs and work places to the increasingly populous islamic hordes. There are three mosques currently in planning or in build in Preston alone, whist many of the remainig churches, both Catholic and CofE and the Methodist and Presbyterian are closing.
    Greenfield captures the essence of the problem for me.
    Things may appear bad to us in the West, but for the mainly illiterate, third world mysoginist bigot England is just fine. His wives supported, he is free to drive a taxi or run a kebab shop, earn tax free money and ship it home, in the meantime acquiring property and evading the laws, which largely fail to punish him for his drug importing and carousel tax fraud.
    In the meantime the natives, despised by their own vote chasing politicans, are debauched with welfare and an ersatz faux US media culture. The ambitious and capable, who aspire to better themselves are trated as the tax cows to pay for the new voters and the ever-increasing number of lumpenproles who neither work nor want.

  151. Baron

    despite the claims for diversity made by our appeasing, abasing politicians, the truth of the matter is that our indian and pakistani muslims come from very small areas. Indeed in Blackburn I’ve read that the majority of the immigrant population is related.

    The evidence seems to bear this out. the clan system is close, powerful and culturally hostile to its host.

    http://www.freebritain.org.uk/eurofacts

  154. Noa @ 20.49

    Charming rant, my friend, Baron often talks like that, too, well, perhaps not in the same language, but the gist of it gets close.

    Why then the indigenous unwashed vote for the political tossers for it is those in charge who have brought it upon us? Has the country turned masochistic, has everyone gone blind, is it a fate similar to what happened when the Romans arrived, the Normans invaded? Are we waiting for a Tyler?

  155. Noa, and another thing:

    Move to East Anglia, no Mosques (not yet perhaps), mostly locals, friendly (to a point), charming countryside, and cheaper houses than elsewhere.

    The link is appreciated, Baron didn’t know the site existed. Thanks. Too much to read for now as Baron landed at Stansted only yesterday. It will be read, and not only the April and Sept issues.

  156. “Are we waiting for a Tyler?”

    Even a decent taylor would be a start! You shoud have seen the last suit I had made in the UK!
    Alas even the Wats of this world are no more, it’s hard to imagine our burger munchers seekng succour from their next monarch from the injustices of our government. The would be King would really be Caliph. And I, for one, ‘would rather have another king but him’, but that’s another debating topic…
    As for the indigenes; they are the product of 60 years of state debauchery and systematic socialist destruction of every philosophical and cultural pillar of British values.
    The fact that they don’t vote, indeed won’t vote reflects massive a dissillusionment with the state of British ‘democracy’. There was and is not, at least until the recent arrival of UKIP, even the prospect of real change.
    Now, there is at least some hope.

  157. Patriccia Shaw @ 20.41.

    Few days back Baron posted a link to a Brussels’ apparatchik who said the EU Politburo was thinking to bring in a scheme in aid of people trying to reach Europe, will also ask member countries to take more refugees.

    This French Government may not last, the Vall’s policy may get reversed. The new Brussels initiative smells of greater danger, it mazes Baron nobody took any notice of it.

  158. Baron
    ‘Move to East Anglia..”
    Well, it would be appropriate to move to the place where Alfred burned the cakes as he resisted his own invaders of the time!
    Easier perhaps, for the blue veined Slav than the true Lancastrian for a number of reasons!
    Anyway, why the hell should I, as they say, I was here first.

  159. Noa at 21.30

    Settled then, you stay where you’re, fight for a place under the sun.

    and this:

    Baron’s off for today. In the family units he has three functions, that of a chauffeur, a banker, and a dishwasher. It’s the last one that’s to be performed next. Anyone wants to kick the barbarian, it’ll have to wait.

  160. The funeral was held today of the tragic death of a whole family killed by arsonists. The father, a Moslem neorosurgeon was broken hearted, yet he remained calm in the face of such heartbreak. There is some mystery about whom the seven people arrested for this evil crime are. Are they connected with the death of a young black man, or not? Was this a mistaken revenge attack, or a not-mistaken revenge attack? We are given no details as to whether the arrested people are from an ethnic minority, or are white or even Moslem. Was there a Romeo-Juliet background to the death of the young black man, or was there no connection? The police remain exceptionally closed mouthed, and I wonder if there is a gag on the press.

  161. A mundane question. I tried to drink a glass of cold milk, something I haven’t done for years. It was so-called Organic, Full Cream Milk and tasted like white water! The milk of my childhood and youth was rich and tasty. Are the dairies allowed to water-down milk or is it just my jaded taste buds?

  162. Noa at 21-04 : a better link [with no health warning] is directly at the June Press.It publishes free to view copies of `eurofacts`;three months in areas of the print version,for non subscribers (£30 a yr. in U.K.).The archive goes back to 24 Oct.2003. SEE http://www.junepress.com/eurofacts.asp

  164. Baron

    “Settled then, you stay where you’re, fight for a place under the sun.”

    Has global warming finally reached Lancaster???

  165. A.W.K. at 22-02 :In Leicester Abdul Hakim [and others]of Wood Hill,a lengthy road,has been arrested for the murder of a `black`youth.Two youths with `black`names [amongst others] have been arrested for the later fire at an `Asian` house on Wood Hill. Assistant C.C. Bannister says there are no `racist`implications.He is probably wanting to avoid a race war.

  166. Radford NG
    October 10th, 2013 – 23:03
    Thanks Radford. Sooner or later the facts must come out, and do you think there wil be a race war?

  167. Baron October 10th, 2013 – 21:36

    “Baron’s off for today. In the family units he has three functions, that of a chauffeur, a banker, and a dishwasher.”

    Reduce this by one, by buying one; a dish-washer that is, a top of the range ‘Miele’ would be best and then never ever learn how to load or operate the said machine.

  168. @PfM 10th, – 20:21

    “Baron, none of them are French in any meaningful sense though.”

    Are you sure?

    Unlike the UK, France has always extended French nationality to its overseas territories, be they off the coast of Canada, in the middle of the south Indian Ocean, or even radioactive stumps in the South Pacific Ocean, or its African Territoires Francais Étrangères, which all use a common currency, the TFE Franc.

  169. From the DT:

    “Gender abortion repugnant, says Steel”

    Well, guess who was the tw*t who drafted his legislation so sloppily that it could be allowed to happen?

  172. The morass of malign mischief that permeates the relationships of our governmment agencies with Libya and beyond is exemplified within this report from Clare M Lopez. Follow her links and notations:

    http://lopez.pundicity.com/13898/abu-anas-al-libi

    I think the Security serviced must have issued him with that sobriquet ‘abu-anas-al-libi’, which roughly translated probably means ‘that double-agent arsehole from Libya’.

  173. …and we were wondering why Obama and his puppet-masters were not to keen to investigate the Benghazi Embassy debacle; why Ambassador Chris Stevens was raped and murdered; why Obastard and the Hillbilly woman blamed it on a piss-poor Hollywood DVD about the Life of Mohammed??

  175. Douglas Murray, who is usually spot on, has written a very misguided article on Snowden et al: ‘Spies spy. Get over it’.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9050251/spies-spy-get-over-it/

    By the way, isn’t it odd, how the Guardian’s articles were in June but the Mail and Barko Sarko twins wait until now to publish a slew of articles about the expose, just when Andrew ‘Nosey’ Parker makes his speech.

    Smacks of government/mainstream media co-ordination.

    The truth is that the terrorists know that if they so much as pass wind near a digital device, they can be traced.

    Bin Laden had no phone or internet connectons. They know.

    All the rest is to spy on the rest of population. Make sure they don’t get too politically het up.

    We don’t want the establishment found out and then chucked out.

    Andrew Parker and chums are all politically correct Karen Jacksonites and still rigorously pursue the ‘it’s better to have them pxxxing inside the tent, than outside pixxxing in’ strategy.

    That’s the strategy that made the French secret services dub the UK’s capital ‘Londonistan’.

    It isn’t even a strategy anyway.

    It’s the only option left if the government is signed up to mass immigration.

    It’s a faux strategy. One that pretends to be clever and insightful over and above the common sense of controlling borders.

    Oh, yes. Control borders? Don’t be so silly. Better to have them inside the tent and pxxing on you all. Not us, though. We’ll protect the elites – everyone else can just pray to God they don’t get caught up in a Woolwich river of blood.

    If you do happen to have your head chopped off on your way to work, don’t worry, Dave will ‘appeal for calm’ and remind everyone it’s nothing to do with real Islam while they bury you.

    He’s thoughtful like that, is Dave.

    Reassuringly, the first comment under Murray’s piece, puts him right:

    zanzamander

    What is the use of giving increasing powers to snoopers to spy on us while we do nothing about the ideology that inspires these terrorists? On the contrary our media, academia and politicians are bending over backwards to accommodate, encourage and promote this ideology while at the same time besmirch those who’re valiantly fighting for our freedoms and liberty.

    These spooks dance to the tune of their political masters and our political masters dance to the tune of lobbyists, voting blocs, wealthy donors and foreigners who themselves have a similar agenda to these terrorists – achieve the same goals albeit gradually, “peacefully” and democratically – stealthily.

    The way we’re heading, a time will surely come when those who get spied on will be the ones who oppose the views of our politicians and their paymasters – those who we currently call terrorists will be in charge.

  176. Ostrich, I don’t think ethnicity is the same as nationality. I am English, not because a state has said I am, but because this is who and what I am to the very depths of my being. If I moved to Finland I might well gain Finnish nationality, might well integrate as much as I could into Finnish life and culture, but I could not and could never be Finnish.

    We need to be very loud in our insistence that someone gaining British citizenship does not become British, let alone English. That does not deprive any sympathetic soul from integrating into our life and culture, but being English means having a deeply rooted shared history and shared culture.

    Hearth and Home, Stock and Stone, Blood and Bone.

  177. Peter from Maidstone@October 11th, 2013 – 09:41

    Your comments are interesting when considered alongside the controversy regarding who should play for the England football team. And how the influx of foreign footballers has taken opportunity away from those brought up here.

    A microcosm of general society maybe?

  178. Last night, the programme ‘Educating Yorkshire’ featured a Year 11 geography lesson on the European Union. When the young teacher explained that there was a political party called UKIP whose declared aim was to bugger the whole thing up, the camera panned over their hitherto vacant teenage faces to register looks of religious ecstasy, like they were assembled at the foot of the cross.

    The kidz are all right!

  179. @PfM 11th, – 09:41

    “Hearth and Home, Stock and Stone, Blood and Bone.”

    So how would you describe me, whose family were granted land in Ireland as part of the ‘plantation’ of King James I/VI, on the spurious grounds that it was ‘derelict’, and for the purpose of ‘pacifying’ and ‘civilising’ the unruly natives. And whose family (probably) married exclusively other plantationers and who maintain a loyalty and link to their country of origin to the present day, only to find ourselves told, repeatedly, from 1969 onwards that we were discriminatory oppressors of the rebellious indigenous population.

  181. Ostrich (occasionally)- Nortern Ireland loyalists and British sovereignty, were systematically betrayed, firstly by the woeful, ignorant John Major and then by thee treacherous Blair and Mowlem.

    And I write that as the maternal descendent of a Northern Irish Roman Catholic family who were, and still are, split between republicanism and loyalty to the UK.
    On this matter we remain confused. It was and remains, a bitter and illogical place populated by people who carry the grievences, victories and defeats of the preceding centuries as though they happened yesterday.

  182. Peter from Maidstone – 10:37 “You are not, for instance, French by fiat”

    Shouldn’t that be: Italian by Fiat?

  183. At a very very bare minimum we must surely say that to be English or British requires parents who have been born in England or Britain. This would provide benefits to those who are born thus privileged. No one without two British born parents, and preferably three British born grandparents, should be able to stand for public office.

    This would immediately exclude Nick Clegg and the Millibands.

  185. PfM 11th, – 11:42

    “This would immediately exclude Nick Clegg and the Millibands.”

    What a good idea! 🙂

  186. I am in Bournemouth at the moment, visiting my daughter who has just started at university. When I get home I will see who else would be excluded by the two British born parents rule.

    This seems reasonable and necessary since it allows people to become British over a number of generations but prevents those who do not have a generational connection to Britain subverting our democracy.

  187. I wonder how many of the “life peers” (absurd term) are foreign born or whose parents were foreign born. They are the revising chamber, after all.

  188. Cigar Chompin’ John Jefferson Burns

    What do you mean coming round here, sweet talking the Coffee House women with your Southern Baptist charm and the promises of nylon stockings? You had better watch out; we are on to your game.

  189. I think people can be regarded as british born if their parents were british born, even though they were born abroad.

  191. Joany @ 8.29

    Joany, one can agree both with Murray and zanzamander, Baron does. How would stopping the spies watching over us, the law abiding, engender “the media, academia and politicians” to give up “bending over backwards to accommodate, encourage and promote this (Islamic) ideology?” It wouldn’t. The two issues are linked, but solving one does little to solve the other.

    For what it’s worth, Baron reckons what Snowden did was wrong. You cannot run any organisation if those involved in the running of it leak confidential stuff to competition. This goes for any organisation, industrial, commercial, governmental.

    What the guy should have done is deposit the info in a bank, hire a lawyer, knock on the door of a TV studio or the Guardian, make public that he stole, quite easily, alot of stuff that suggests the spies are spying on everyone. It was a risk, but morally he would have held the higher ground. Fleeing to HK then to Moscow smells of a treasonous act whichever way one slices it.

    And as for zanzamander, what he says goes to the root of the boil. In no way could we win just trying to prevent the jihadists to do us harm (in which spying has a role). We have to cut out the source of the poison, neutralise the teachers of hate one way or another, to the point of kicking them out of the country.

  192. alexander and Peter fM:

    Baron knows a man who was born in Russia, currently holds Russian passport, his mother was born in Estonia), his farther in London. Would you give him a chance to apply for naturalisation here?

  193. Noa and Ostrich:

    Did you know?

    Officially, Ireland is not an English speaking country, yet some 95% of the Irish speak only English, fewer than one in 100 prefer Gaelic.

  196. alexsandr
    October 11th, 2013 – 09:51
    Peter from Maidstone@October 11th, 2013 – 09:41
    Your comments are interesting when considered alongside the controversy regarding who should play for the England football team. And how the influx of foreign footballers has taken opportunity away from those brought up here.
    A microcosm of general society maybe?
    ==============
    Interesting,even though I am not a football fan. However, I’d be interested to know if English born sportsmen and women, and youth, born here, are queuing up to become Olympic class runners, jumpers, and other sports competitors.

  197. I cannot wholly endorse Snowden or Assange.

    Although it is true that organisations cannot function if people leak all the time, there comes a point when human beings have to decide – on their own – whether the national interest is being served or being betrayed by the thing that purports to uphold it.

    MI5, MI6, special branch are – like every other Whitehall outfit – betraying the people of this country.

    The state is doing precisely the opposite of what it should be doing – it itself is the biggest threat to the citizens by letting hordes past the gates.

    How is it then to be trusted with security?

    There is the temptation to get into straw man arguments about whether one is for or against Assange, Snowden, The Guardian.

    That is just the same old binary argument the main parties use to keep themselves in power.

    Are you left? Are you right? Labour? Or Tory?

    And once you have some skin in the game, both will fleece you down the line.

    This level of 1984-style surveillance on everyone is just plain wrong.

    Always take it back to brass tacks and ask why should someone have this power.

    To quote Richard Littlejohn: ‘As I keep telling you, if you give the authorities any kind of power, they will always, always abuse it.’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1248636/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-They-tried-kill-horror-run-run.html

    Or George Orwell in 1946 writing that there were many “enemies of freedom of thought”, but the biggest problem was “the weakening of the desire for liberty among the intellectuals themselves”.

    The state itself must always be reined in before it gets too greedy and malevolent. We have gone beyond that now.

    Other people are not to blame for Islam’s menace.

    That is the fault of the state.

    That it should then seek to suppress opposition opinion through spying at everyone on the web is entirely predictable but not something I can ever endorse.

  198. “Baron knows a man who was born in Russia, currently holds Russian passport, his mother was born in Estonia), his farther in London. Would you give him a chance to apply for naturalisation here?”

    There are questions that should be asked, maybe they are, maybe not?
    Who is he, self supporting, of good character?
    Does he have dependents? Can he support them?
    What does he bring to the Uk?
    Why does he want to be here, rather than Russia ?

    Should we give him preference over?
    White Rhodesians being persecuted by Mugabe?
    Egyptian, Nigerian, Syrian, Pakistani or Indian Christians?
    illiterate violent muslim immigrants from Asia, Indai and Africa?

    All these questions are irrelevant in the UK, except the last.

  199. Noa @ 19.50

    A sensible answer, Noa. As a country we can both be on a winner with someone, or burden the taxpayer with a scrounger at best, a rapist, murderer at worst.

    Baron’s about to watch the game. No good for his heart, but he cannot resist it, hopefully, bloody England wins.

  200. @Baron 11th, – 17:19

    “fewer than one in 100 prefer Gaelic”

    Aye, I well remember taking the bus home from school. It passed a few girls schools on the way and we’d naturally earwig their conversations as best we could…
    “Mairead, how do you do so good in your Irish homework?” “Och, sure, I let me mother do it for me!”

    🙂

  201. Joany @ 19.47

    Nothing much Baron would disagree with, we may indeed be beyond a point of no no return, who knows. The seeds of the rot though were seeded well before the jihadi worshipers of Allah arrived on the scene, the statutes that prevent us to deal with the threat effectively got enacted, bit by bit, decades ago.

    Still, football’s on, one has to get one’s priorities right.

  202. A couple of other points.

    I jest not about Karen Jackson’s awful hagiographies of Islam.

    Those books are paid for – by the taxpayer – and handed to civil servants, the MoD, special branch, MIs 5 and 6 and so on to read.

    This is where they get their official understanding of Islam from.

    I have been wondering why this coordinated media attack on whisteblowers has surfaced this week and it seems that the authorities were afraid of whistleblowers being culturally lionised in the film The Fifth Estate, starring lefty actor Benedict Cumberbatch (apparently he’s a male version of Vanessa Redgrave who shares almost identical politics).

    The film is released in the UK soon. ‘Nosey’ Parker and his bullying media chums wanted to get their arguments out there, all nicely fleshed out, before people saw the film.

    They expect the film to make people even more suspicious of the security service than they already are.

    I won’t be seeing the film as I don’t really think much of these ‘true story’ films, which seem to be made every day of the week nowadays.

    Benedict Cumberbatch leaves me cold and I’m exhausted enough already learning about the state spying on citizens.

    I wonder if the film will reveal that Alan Rusbridger’s daughter works as a ‘moderator’ on The Guardian website?

  203. More on the suppression of Golden Dawn.
    “What has happened in Greece should be taken as an example of how the system reacts to threats. In Greece, as in every European country, the main controlling method of the system was political correctness—up to a couple of years ago.”

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/golden-dawn
    This political repression is evident in the Coalition government’s repression of the BNP:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/john-stuart-mill-the-bnp-and-the-uks-dying-democracy

    Consider also that thse attacks on the right are co-ordinated and driven by a totalitarian political elite acting through both national governments and at the behest of the EU:-

    http://www.euractiv.com/elections/council-europe-challenges-creden-news-517217

    http://greece.greekreporter.com/2013/10/04/us-and-ec-pressed-for-golden-dawn-mps-arrests/

    Of course we have no way of knowing to what extent the petard of the Robinson defection was intended to attempt to destroy the EDL at the same time as Golden Dawn, but given that Robinson himself said he had been planning his ‘conversion’ since February, a europe wide liberal ‘autumn offensive’ against the right seems to be discernable.
    Even UKIP, careful to distance itself from ‘extremism’ has been subject to comprehensive establishment attacks, e.g
    http://www.ukip.org/newsroom/news/912-heseltine-is-an-out-of-touch-dinosaur-with-racist-slurs-says-amjad

  204. We’ve done it, England won 4-1, and to make Baron’s happiness complete, two of his favorite players scored: Townsend and Sturridge.

  205. There is a difference between:

    i. a person with permission to work here in the UK

    ii. a person with British Residency rights in the UK

    iii. a person with British acquired citizenship in the UK

    iv. a person with natural and inherited British rights and citizenship

    This last should be the requirement for all public office, not only in Parliament, but executive control of public organisations. At the least, the very least, it should require that the person have two parents born in the UK who had acquired British citizenship before his birth. Ideally I would prefer three of four grandparents.

    Acquired citizenship should be provisional, and should be the minimum requirement for participating in any elections. A person who had acquired citizenship should lose it for pre-determined criminal activities.

    Under these rules the following people, as the beginning of a list, would lose full citizenship and would be disqualified from public office..

    Ed Milliband
    David Milliband
    Nick Clegg
    Helen Grant
    Diane Abbott
    Adam Afreyie
    Rushanara Ali
    Rehman Chishti
    Simon Danczuk (possibly)
    Gloria de Piero (possibly)
    Natasha Engel

    That’s enough for now. I’ll continue the list later. This is just MPs who allow their antecedents to be known. It will be harder to find out about the origins of each MPs parents. But it will also be interesting to look at the executives of large public sector organisations.

  207. Is Andy Burnham toast?

    Albeit now devalued as a journal, this is in this Morning’s Dacre News:

    “Labour’s former health secretary was told about a string of baby deaths – despite his claims he did not remember any ‘specific’ warnings, it emerged last night.

    Andy Burnham said he did not recall being told about the problems at Furness General Hospital in Cumbria.

    But documents seen by the Mail show Mr Burnham was briefed about the problems in January 2010, three months before his regulator gave the hospital a clean bill of health.

    It is thought the lives of two babies might have been saved at Furness had action been taken by Mr Burnham after he was alerted.

    Mr Burnham was briefed on the scandal ahead of a meeting with local MP, Tim Farron, in January 2010.

    The memo he was given mentions five maternity, neonatal and gynaecological incidents including the death of baby Joshua Titcombe, who was killed in 2008 by an infection which should have been treated with antibiotics.

    It states that Joshua’s death ‘highlighted a number of underlying contributory factors’ at University Hospitals of Morecambe Bay NHS Trust, which runs the hospital.

    Mr Burnham did not act on the information in the memo, which notes that the incident was being taken ‘very seriously’ and that the Care Quality Commission (CQC) and Strategic Health Authority were monitoring the trust.

    Three months later, the CQC reduced its risk rating of the Trust to ‘green’ and registered it as compliant. A further two babies died after this decision. In July, Mr Burnham faced pressure to quit after a review by Sir Bruce Keogh revealed failings at 11 hospitals where ‘thousands’ of patients needlessly died on his watch.

    Last week, Mr Burnham was accused of trying to suppress a critical report into poor hygiene standards at the Basildon and Thurrock trust in Essex.

    Emails were released suggesting his department ordered the CQC not to release a report on the problems during the run-up to the 2010 general election

    In June, Mr Burnham denied that he had been warned about the Morecambe Bay scandal.

    Last night, Tory MP David Morris said: ‘This new evidence blows out of the water his claim that he received no warnings about Morecambe Bay.

    ‘I fail to see how you could forget or not follow up on a meeting where you’re warned about serious hospital incidents involving the deaths of babies.’

    A spokesman for Andy Burnham said: ‘Andy Burnham has acted entirely properly at all times in relation to Morecambe Bay. A thorough review of his papers shows it was not directly raised with him, nor were any specific warnings given to him by the regulator. All of the statements he has made on this issue are entirely accurate.

    ‘The only meeting he had about this Trust during his time as secretary of state was requested by Tim Farron MP on local cancer services.

    ‘Information on maternity was provided in an annex to the official briefing as part of a wider list of issues that might have been raised by the MP. As this issue was not raised at the meeting, there was no call for it to be used.

    ‘In any event, the note records that investigations by the CQC and SHA were at that time on-going. This was the proper course of action. No ministerial intervention was required or appropriate that time.’

  208. With Ed predicted to get a majority of 80 or so seats, the panic has sprung up again to float a leader who might take Dave’s seat on the sinking ship.

    Last week the Shariagraph was spinning for George Osborne.

    Today, the Mail spins for Teresa May. The lady who spun Abu Qatada’s voluntary trip home as her own ‘toughness’.

    She pledges to get the UK out of the Human Wrongs Act, a neat dovetail to the ‘renegotiation’ with Europe.

    There is no exiting the legal structures of the EU unless you leave the EU and there is no meaningful renegotiation. Ever.

    And just look at the way she can’t even look Farage in the eye as he points out the deviousness of her spin.

    It’s all spin, Mrs May.

    You know it. We know it. And you know that we know that you know it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpPtwD5AV9o

  209. Noa,

    That is it in a nutshell.

    As soon as democracy – ho, ho, ho – looks like delivering the wrong result, they smear and criminalise those outside the establishment.

    It has actually now moved on beyond a political party being able to set out any kind of full stall. I think the best any upstart party anywhere in Europe can get away with now is merely being able to say ‘we will introduce a law allowing freedom of speech’.

    The whole point about the Fabians, the EU, the Common Purposers and so on is that they have left political quicksand lying in wait for any political parties that are not signed up to the politically correct multi-culti federalism they think will deliver a Utopia (how’s that going by the way?).

    There is an array of criminal and civil charges that will stop any alternatives taking root – and if there’s no evidence, don’t worry, the authorities will fabricate it as has happened with Golden Dawn.

    Prison is actually the least used option in the Fabian armoury. It’s more likely to be fines and legal fees that cripple organisations and individuals.

    Mix that together with some mainstream media smears and that’s the end of democratic opposition.

    They did think all this through. Common Purpose especially.

    That’s why they focus so much on driving ‘change’ (read race replacement) by acting ‘beyond authority’ (read ‘placemen in authority bending the rules to drive the “change” agenda’).

  210. Joany, October 12th, 2013 – 09:05

    Thanks for that little YouTube video gem.

    So, Mrs May has joined the Cameron’s Vapid Response team.
    Very good of her to take time off the “Sean Of The Dead 2” film set to come and speak to us.

    It wasn’t UKIP, but rather Dave and his “Etonian Tendency” that lost the last election for the Conservatives. The conservative party as a whole were unconvinced, and electorate were unconvinced. We are still unconvinced.

    LimpDems? Denis Skinner(‏@BolsoverBeast) has been reading their Runes.

    “7 Liberal Democrat MPs have already announced they’re standing down at the next election. The others will find they’re going on May 7th 2015”

    I fear that our only recourse is to heckle, and indulge in some gallows humour – Boot-esque or otherwise.

  211. Now I know this is a respectable faily political blog, but from time to time even we need to look at other aspects of life and how they bear on our changing world. Not that we wanted the changes mind, but supposededly cleverer, more intelligent people who we elected to do our thinking for us introduced them, like American crayfish and grey squirrels, for our own good.
    So let us enjoy the salacious benefits of the new identity politics, on it’s way to a beauty contest near you, Miss Autism? Yeah!! Miss Armless? Wow! Miss Tattoos? Cor!

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/memo-from-middle-america-the-first-indian-miss-america-too-dark-to-be-miss-india

  212. faily? ohh er missus!!
    Sorry I meant family of course?
    Peter, any chance of ugrading the site to allow corrections?

  213. Coup d’Etat in USA – Struggle for Power – Update – Another Top Officer responsible for Security of Nuclear Missiles Removed –

    “US sacks nuclear missiles General Michael Carey

    The general in charge of the US Air Force’s long-range nuclear missiles has been sacked due to “loss of trust and confidence”, officials have said.

    The Air Force said Maj Gen Michael Carey’s removal was for “behaviour during a temporary duty assignment”.

    The sacking was not linked to the operation of the nuclear arsenal, which was safe, the officials insisted.

    On Wednesday the US Navy announced an admiral overseeing nuclear weapons forces had been sacked from the role.

    That was due to illegal gambling activities, officials said.
    ‘Unfortunate’

    Michael Carey is a two-star general in the 20th Air Force and was responsible for maintaining intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) at three bases across the US – a total of 450 missiles.

    In a statement, the Air Force said Lt Gen James Kowalski, the commander of Air Force Global Strike Command, had made the decision.

    It read: “Kowalski made his decision based on information from an Inspector General investigation into Carey’s behaviour during a temporary duty assignment.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24499310

  215. Indeed, Noa, the giveaway with Tommy Robinson is Quilliam.

    Why does his departure involve Quilliam?

    You don’t have to dig far into Quilliam’s ‘moderateness’ to realise its a taqqya-tongued spinning outfit.

    And why does he need to join it?

    That’s the point.

    There is something else going on there.

  216. Nobody will ever know whether Tommy Robinson was a state employee before he ran the EDL or became one recently.

    He may be a state employee now, but we don’t know.

    He may have been a state employee from a long time ago. We don’t know.

    It wouldn’t be surprising if he was.

    Whatever Tommy Robinson’s relation to the state, the modus operandi in dealing with all fringe movements is always this: infiltrate and embarrass.

    Strip them of public credibility.

    It happened with that animal rights movement, where the undercover policeman was alleged to have been involved in a terrorist conspiracy.

    It is said that the BNP makes so many ‘gaffes’ because state agents inside it steer it that way.

    The point about the EDL is this: who will miss it?

    No-one.

    Although its official statements were usually fine, the drinking and shouting were disastrous.

    If you’re not going to make people think, then you might as well be a government agent used to distract the public – regardless of what you actually are.

    What the British public need to think about is alternatives to voting LibLabCon, not shouting and drinking.

    Perhaps Tommy Robinson always was a government sleeper agent. Perhaps he wasn’t.

    Either way, the EDL took everyone’s eye off the ball.

    People need to think of how to get rid of LibLabCon and if people are drinking or shouting then they are simply as much use as Quilliam – in other words, they are not to be trusted or listened to.

  217. Noa @ 20:30

    “Even UKIP, careful to distance itself from ‘extremism’ has been subject to comprehensive establishment attacks e.g. [link]”

    As the Pastor might say:

    They came for Edward Snowden, but I wasn’t a whistleblower on the state being used to spy on all its citizens, so I remained silent (or implied that he was a traitor to the state);

    then they came for the English Defence League, but I wasn’t a member of the EDL, so I didn’t speak out, in fact I made snide remarks about its leadership being serial criminals,

    ….

  218. Best of course that conservatives not know about the nationwide access of the National Security Agency o all Americans telephones or the equivalent access by our valiant security services here in the United Kingdom. Such information allowed general circulation can only serve the interests of our enemies, as Pastor Martin Niemoeller discovered – but then he was a mere priest diverted from the logic of a deterministic world by the illusions of conscience, freedom and a relationship with God:

    “Niemöller had once again delivered a rebellious sermon in Dahlem; at the same time transcripts of his tapped telephone conversations were presented to Hitler. In a bellow, Hitler ordered Niemöller to be put in a concentration camp and, since he had proven himself to be incorrigible, kept there for life.
    Albert Speer, on Hitler’s decision to arrest Niemöller, in Inside the Third Reich: The Memoirs of Albert Speer (1970), p. 98”

    Why should I worry that the security services are recording my communications if I have done nothing wrong? Conservatives want to conserve after all, isn’t that right?

  219. Indeed, Malfleur.

    The Woolwich attack showed how far jihadists have moved away from digital devices.

    The jihadists know. Who doesn’t know?

    So all this guff from ‘Nosey’ Parker is just spin.

    Another textbook rule for the security services is don’t worry about the enemy first. Worry about the person who’ll alert the rest of the public to what is actually going on.

    You can rest assured that is Parker’s priority – not stopping jihadists.

    As the jihadists have become aware that they couldn’t use digital devices any more (and, indeed, how their homes and cars are constantly bugged) they have switched modus operandi.

    A lot of arson attacks in Spain have in recent years been thought to be caused by jihadists operating at a lower, less-traceable level.

    I also read somewhere recently that UK churches had been dealing with rising insurance premiums because of a growing number of arson attacks.

    Why set fire to a church unless it’s a jihadist attack?

    If a mosque in the UK is attacked the media swarm all over it.

    Whatever the truth about the UK and Spain’s arson attacks, Woolwich just exposes Andrew Parker’s silly speech as pure spin.

  220. Joany @ 08:29

    ” the EDL took everyone’s eye off the ball.

    People need to think of how to get rid of LibLabCon”

    Did you ever consider that you might be playing in the wrong game, or possibly the wrong team, or that the real sport may not even be a ball game? You obviously don’t live in Blackburn or Bradford or anywhere where the people are being instigated to fight each other and constituencies ar being bought outright.

    But no doubt the ideological threat of islam will disappear now that the leaders of the only active voice of working people against it has been silenced – perhaps — through means employed by the state more usually employed by the organizers of protection rackets.

  221. Joany @ 12 :44

    ” Worry about the person who’ll alert the rest of the public to what is actually going on. :

    Very good. Now apply th maxim to the EDL.

  223. My take is if that they weren’t doing it right, it wasn’t worth doing.

    If you want a blueprint, look to Gandhi.

    Kick them in the ballots, boycott certain things, use swadeshi techniques.

    Learn how to oppose mosques posing as Islamic Community Centres using the planning laws and spread that message and connect with others.

    Boycott the secret halal product sellers.

    But the EDL shot itself in the foot with street protests that – even if the violence was instigated by undercover officers posing as EDL or by the ‘anti-fascist’ movement – in the end achieved nothing.

    What’s the end game?

  224. Malfleur

    Did you make snide remarks about Robinson being a criminal? I hadn’t noticed. I thought you had nailed your hopes and expectations to an individual and a movement that was unable to meet them.
    I, on the other hand, living in the UK and having a the absolute right to determine who best represents my interests, made the decision, even whilst Mr Yaxley-Robinson was bedding down with Quillam, that he didn’t.

    r

  225. If any Wallsters are members of the EDL I would encourage them to check the security of their membership records.
    I would be surprised if their data is not now in the joint and several possession of MI6, the Quilliam kitman team, the Socialist Workers Party and its UAF offshoot, the Guardian (od course), and,most concerning of all, the Conservative party chairman.

  226. Oona King is another politician who is not British by natural and inherited citizenship rights.

    Baroness Warsi is another.

    Ed Vaizey is another.

    Baroness Verma another.

    Shailash Vara is another.

    Sam Gyimah seems another.

    Sajid Javid is another.

    And of course Boris Johnson is high profile example of how a non-Briton descended person can be and become British.

    A surprising number of politicians, even ministers, are not really British. This is not some sort of moral or criminal taint, far less evidence of racism. But it surely a matter of national social integrity that those in high office must be British according to some greater criteria than residence.

    If we take things to the limit and imagine that every white British person of ancient ancestry was encouraged to leave the UK then would it be reasonable to say that the UK Parliament was still filled with British Parliamentarians? What if none of them spoke English, would they all still be British MPs simply by virtue of geography, or would they represent an entirely different nation?

    In fact the British Isles do not give their name to our indigenous peoples, rather the peoples give their name to the islands. They are the isles of the British, and if the population was replaced then they would no longer be the British Isles at all. We therefore need to ask what it means to be British if it does not mean simple residence. It must mean blood and soil to some extent. Even if it is allowed that those with a commitment to our life and culture can become British by enculturation and acquisition of citizenship. But theirs must be a secondary sense of Britishness.

    In the first case we are British because that is who we are, that is who our fathers and grandfathers are. That is who we are together. Others might perhaps earn the right to be called British, but it cannot ever be given to those who do not wish above all else to share our life and history.

    A purge of Parliament would be a good start. Those who are not naturally British should not be allowed to govern.

  228. Gerald Kaufman is another non-Briton. Perfectly entitled to engage fully in life in the UK, but neither of his parents were born in the UK, therefore he should not be allowed to stand for public office. He was born in the UK, and has acquired British citizenship, so that his children should be able to inherit natural citizenship (allowing this loosest criteria). But he should not.

  229. Sadiq Khan is another. A lot of ministers are not British at all.

    And Kwasi Kwarteng.

    And Mark Lazarowicz.

    And Giacomo Lopresti (possibly)

    And Khalid Mahmood (possibly)

    And Shabana Mahmood

    And Yasmin Qureshi

    And Seema Malhotra (possibly)

    And Dominic Raab

    And Anas Sarwar (possibly)

    And Alok Sharma

    And Virendra Sharma

    And Chuka Umanna

    And Paul Uppal

    And Keith Vaz

    And Valerie Vaz

    And Nadhim Zahawi

    And Chi Onwurah

  230. The true and rightful English Peers ,who are now banned from `The Lords`,include not only a leading actor in The Archers but a Canadian roust-a-bout,a police sergeant in New South Wales and a Post Master in New Zealand. (And the Prime Minister of Australia is an Englishman.)

  232. More then a thousand police for EDL march in Bradford which has attracted 200 EDL,and a dozen UAF.[Latest report]

  233. Peter
    I would have thought that names like Sadiq Khan and Kwasi Kwarteng were also a giveaway to the fact that these people are not British.
    Of course they are simply party appointments filling a minority quota in the brave new Britain.
    Who votes for them?
    -The bien pensant metro elite
    – public sector union socialist radicals
    -Programmed labour and tory robots
    -their relatives and friends, business and fellow mosque brethren.
    -bought voters (read the Islamic Republic of Dewsbury if you want to understand how the ‘Paki vote’ works in the Indian sub-continent ghettoes of Britain.)
    -the postal voting dead in the cemeteries of Lahore, Karachi and Delhi.

  234. Majid Nawaz (Director of Quilliam;Lib Dem candidate for Hampstead-against Glenda Jackson) states : “There was unfortunate use of term`decapitation of EDL`which everyone at Quilliam reconises is not best word choice & for which we are sorry.”

  235. Noa, well the men are easier to find because they have a foreign name. And Boris Johnson is strictly speaking Boris Kemal. But his parents were born in Britain a far as I can see, of those who had acquired British citizenship. So having the name Kemal would not exclude him from high office. Nor Khan. But not having parents born in the UK of British citizens should be an exclusionary criteria.

  237. And further to my earlier ‘Wallster Warnings’ it looks like anyone who trusted Mr Yaxley-Robinson with their confidences is about to get their collers felt:-

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2455642/Former-EDL-leader-Tommy-Robinson-help-police-track-racists.html
    Of course if there is anyone who finds themselves in this position the Columbian embassy or the FSB in Moscow may be able to help.
    Better perhaps, not to make an application for asylum at the Pakistani embassy though, a refusal might offend.

  240. Noa, to be able to edit a comment you would need to be logged in to the site, and most (all) people have not wanted to do that. But you do have an account already and so could log on if you wanted to, and this would let you edit your comments. Otherwise the site has no way of confirming who is trying to edit comments.

  241. Peter from Maindstone
    The adulterer, Alexander Charles Carlile, Baron Carlile of Berriew can be added to the list.

  242. Nobody too worried about the slow motion coup d’etat in the USA, then?

    John Jefferson Burns?

  244. The suspicious thing about Tommy Robinson is that whatever hat he wore, he was ineffective.

    With his EDL hat, he was clumsy at best, if not downright churning out bad publicity at the behest of the secret services to be knowingly lapped up by the mainstream media.

    With his Quilliam hat, he is a member of a deeply suspicious organisation that seems to have married Gramscian sneakiness to taqyya principles.

    Quilliam is in bed with some people who we do not know about. I would love to know who.

    Maajid Nawaz is every inch the used car salesman.

    A convincing resignation by Tommy Robinson would have looked like this.

    An open letter on his website saying something like:

    ‘I have been more and more frustrated with the violence that has attached itself to EDL demonstrations.

    ‘It is my belief that this violence is manufactured by the state to smear our cause in the mainstream media.

    ‘I cannot carry on in the role I have been, because I cannot organise street protests any more.

    ‘Instead, I want to be a more effective campaigner.

    ‘I will focus on one campaign in particular: I want the public to join me in an online campaign to boycott all British banks that suppy shariah banking.

    ‘It is a form of banking with proven links to Islamic terrorism.

    ‘Just as the British public lost all sympathy for Britiish citizen Christopher Tappin when he tried to sell arms to jihadists, I want the public to show their disgust at British institutions that help fund a method of finance with proven links to Islamic terror.

    ‘Many UK retail banks now provide sharia banking.

    ‘In particular, I want to single out HSBC, which not only provides UK retail sharia banking but was fined by the US authorities for money laundering money for Islamic terrorists.

    ‘Let us use the peaceful methods of Mahatma Gandhi as our inspiration.

    ‘It is simply no good us registering our displeasure. We must be more effective. Although there is room for more broader campaigning, I want to take the lead on this.

    ‘There must always be room for peaceful protest, but at the moment I simpy do not feel that is what has been achieved.

    ‘Join me, though, in this peaceful nationwide protest and we really will make a difference.’

    http://news.sky.com/story/1035783/tappin-extradited-brit-jailed-for-arms-dealing

    Just a change of tack – that would have really hit the establishment where it hurts – would have been convincing.

    But to switch from the EDL into Quilliam – with that strange press conference – is just oh-so very odd.

    You can see the puppet strings, but you just don’t know how long they’ve been there.

  248. Bradford : West Yorks Police report there were 700 EDL supporters in Bradford and 120 counter protesters;and 11 arrests were made.EDL reports scuffle when they ejected members of the North West Infidels[reputedly a natzi group]……It occurs to me there is far less violence at any EDL demo. then there used to be at the Annual-Policeman’s-Riot at Stonehenge each mid-summer,when they gathered together to beat-up the Druids,Pagans and Hippies.

  249. I am increasingly convinced that what is required to combat the influence of Islam in the UK is a series of discrete campaigns that can gain the very widest and most popular support.

    As far as I am able I am going to press ahead with a campaign to highlight the universality of halal slaughtered meat and seek to gain the support of well known people on the right and left (as far as those terms have any meaning) to seek to make labeling of all halal slaughtered meat a requirement, and to promote the view that halal slaughter is against animal welfare and may have health consequences, so that it can be resisted as a food safety and animal welfare issue rather than directly as anti-Islamic influence.

    I’ll try and start with a website this week and then see if I can get some names and organisations on board.

  250. That seems like a very good idea, Peter.

    The models for resistance are there.

    They are always there. They are there in history and just need adapting, tweaking and updating.

    There is the Mahatma Gandhi model.

    The other model is that of the consumer campaign.

    People don’t need to join anything, they can just take something home from it.

    I won’t buy this. I won’t buy that. You wrote what? That’s the end of that subscription.

    Medhi Hasan said what on Sky News? And they still let him on? Cancel that.

    People don’t need to write letters of complaint and get put on databases.

    Don’t votefor them. Don’t give them your money.

    Their Gramscian weapon against us was disruption.

    Let’s disrupt them in the most peaceful way possible.

    It sounds like those EDL people in Bradford are being misrepresented.

    But they cannot misrepresent words.

    Of all the criticism levelled at the EDL, I noticed none of it ever referred to the website.

    The press couldn’t handle that, so they went off and cooked up a story elsewhere.

    A couple of Labour party stooges pretending to be anti-fascists throw a punch at an EDL member and headline is: ‘EDL thugs fight again’.

    Don’t give the press liars that advantage.

    I have to say, the appetite is there on the web.

    You see it, too, in the huge numbers of people sharing information and supporting each other as they stop paying the BBC licence fee and so on.

    That’s the way to do it.

    How do you stop Common Purpose town hall salaries?

    Find ways not to pay the parking fines. The websites for that are now legion, because councils earn more from that than they do from council tax.

    That’s why they won’t give up on the CCTV on drivers.

    Someone has to pay for all this social engineering.

    Whether people’s resistance is part of an official campaign is irrelevant.

    Give people small, actionable ideas they can take home and they will do it.

    ‘Swadeshify your home and you’ll swadeshify Britain.’

  251. P from M – That’s a cracking idea! Let us know how we can help — from a distance in my and several other cases.

    Joany – Yes. Start out creating tiny, barely noticeable cracks in the Left and pointing them out. Softlee, softlee catchee monkee. (In this case apes in Common Purpose et al. Yes, I know that an ape is not a monkey.)

  252. I baked some cakes the other day and we had people round.

    I called the big cake my Freedom Cake – all the ingredients were grown in the free world – no Palestinian or Turkish fruit in there!

    And on the side we had sticky buns, which my husband had named Constitution Buns.

    Our visitors asked why Constitution Buns. And we explained to our guests, who don’t live in America, that the US Constitution is the only thing that’s stopping Barack O’Failure from doing what he wants.

    That perfect constitutional recipe has him stuck.

    Boy, did the Founding Fathers know what they were doing!

    Seriously, people like Mahatma Gandhi and the Founding Fathers show how to get things done: with pure language and pure ideas.

    That is how this David and Goliath battle can be won against governments and the multi-nationals.

    I don’t want to see beer cans and tattoos.

    These evil, wicked people in power can do nothing against language.

    That’s why they fear it so much and want to ban free speech altogether. That’s what really keeps them awake at night.

    These evil press liars will always smear people and attribute actions to them they did not do and say they have views they do not hold.

    But if people make sure they have something proper they can say back then there is always hope.

    You want to deal with toe rags like Cameron, Clegg, Miliband, Dacre, Rusbridger, Patten, Andrew Neil, the whole lying press pack, that’s how you do it.

    Pure, simple, patient thought.

    I don’t want to hear chanting or see anything smashed up. I want their whole wicked edifice crumbling about their ears as people simply turn their backs on them.

    They make me utterly sick.

  253. Joany
    October 13th, 2013 – 00:29

    The American Constitution and its implementation should be the focus of all men of goodwill in and outside the United States, I agree. You may not want to see beer and tatoos, but when your guns have been taken from you I doubt that throwing Constitution Buns at the enemy will dampen their ardour or ability to put you all in a George lll Camp. The Second Amendement is the beer and tatoos of constitutionalty.

    Meanwhile, as good people in the USA bake their cakes and buns, the word is going around that a false flag operation may shortly justify the declaration of martial law by Obama, the closing down of Congress, and the extension of the president’s rule for a third term and the implementation of increasingly dangerous policies, foreign and domestic, reducing the value of the Constitution, finely written though it may be, that of the Zimbabwean currency of recent memory. I remember on the morning of June 4th in Beijing Normal University being asked by a student how democracy coud be introduced to China and I had to say that it would only be when a sufficient number of people really wanted it – which was not then.

    The clandestine and unofficial movement of nuclear weapons to South Carolina last month from a military base on the USmainland which was not supposed to have nuclear weapons stored there in the first place, together with the firing of two generals with responsibility for nuclear weapons this week, add to the accumulation of circumstantial evidence that a US nightmare which will affect us all is a real possibility.

    The Constitution will not stand unless the people stand behind it.

    I am glad to confirm that the British School in Manila will celebrate Bonfire Night and has not shrunk from explaining that the festival commemorates the failure of the attempt in 1605 to destroy the flesh, blood and buildings of our constitution. Guys will be burned. Political correctness seems happily absent and so far there has been no pressure brought to argue that Gals have a right to be burned in effigy too.

    Celebration of Guy Fawkes’s Night was until recently by law compulsory in England, like the citizen vote at Australian elections inAustralia . The politically correct and those who want to destroy our liberty must be taught that compulsion is not always a bad thing. Handing them buns will not, I fear, do the trick – as Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll discovered.

  254. By the way ,Joany, was that a bun that David threw at Goliath?

    And I seem to remember that the Founding Fathers, pretty much Britons to a man, used other means before things were quiet enough to settle down to penning the Constitution.

  255. Thought for the Day

    I came across this in Daniel Johnson’s review of John Eliot Gardne’s book on Bach in the October edition of Standpoint Magazine:

    …only God could create ex nihilo”

    Boggled my mind really. We were discussing here very early on in the history of the Wallthe contradiction of the Big Bang theory and how physicists whad to resort to the concept of “a singularity” which means that they don’t know the cause of the origin of the universe.

    God of course, bless Him, can by definition do anything He wills and so – no contradiction! – and the only way to resolve the contradiction!

    This might set me on the way to being a believer again. I did attend Holy Communion at the Anglican Church here earlier in the year, but though confirmed at school I had to explain to a friend who accompanied me and who asked why I didn’t go up that “I wasn’t in a state of grace” which probably sounded pretty feeble.

    No doubt there will be one or two Wallstesr who will howver agree with my assessment of myself…

    But “only God could create ex nihilo”! Isn’t that the truth?! And how to doubt the divine when listening to Bach?

  256. Thought for Next Week

    Prompted by the photographs of the French football teams:

    “The large-scale presence of Muslims in France, as in other countries of Western Europe, has resulted for Infidels in a world that is far less pleasant, far more expensive, and far more physically insecure than it would be without such a Muslim presence. There is no French non-Muslim who could deny the truth of this assertion. And there are very few who, if asked their real opinion, and if they could give it behind closed doors, would not devoutly wish that the clock could be turned back 40 years, so that large-scale Muslim migration into France had never been permitted.

    Such large-scale migration began with the Harkis at the end of the Algerian War; these were the local Arabs and Berbers who had fought on the side of the French, and who were rescued from murderous retribution by being allowed to settle in France in the early 1960s. Then came the boom years, all over Europe. Everywhere Muslims were allowed in to work. In France, they came from North Africa — the maghrebins. At first men came alone to work. Then, because of their antisocial — their criminal — behavior, Giscard d’Estaing accepted the argument that if only they had their families with them, they would quiet down. So families were allowed to join the men. But how many wives came, and how many children came, or were born in France itself, was not something that Giscard d’Estaing had thought much about.

    For a while, the numbers were small,…..”.

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/The_Iconoclast/

  257. “There is no French non-Muslim who could deny the truth of this assertion.”

    Years ago my husband bought a small place in the Vendee, an impoverished area in West France.
    We go there and meet many locals and now increasing numbers of Parisians who are coming down.
    They take a view that France has a glorious colonial history that makes them a country of the world and therefore of world cultures and religions, provided they are not Anglo Saxon.
    They were sad that the co-terminous country of Algeria could not still be with them.
    They hate Episcopalian and Baptist traditions of the Americans more than the Muslim traditions of their former colonies.

  258. You’re right Malfleur, but my point is this, the Constitution is where the ideas are.

    If we don’t get that right first, we can’t do anything.

    What are the solid ideas, the ones that will endure?

    And, yes, free speech and the right bear arms are as good a starting point as any.

    And if you’re not allowed to bear arms, borrow from Gandhi.

    Ideas past and present will have to be knitted together if there is to be any hope.

    If we can take anything from the Founding Fathers it is that it will take an iron will to give us all back our freedom.

    Sadly, you’re also right that we cannot throw buns at Goliath.

    But we must start by getting together civilly and trying to think a clear way forward with what we’ve got.

    In today’s world, David would probably have his catapult confiscated as an offensive weapon.

    I really do think that people bringing down a bank or two with a culturally inspired bank run would be the modern equivalent.

    It would be a start and it would direct people to what they can actually do to make a difference.

    We really do have our work cut out.

  259. I keep trying to think: ‘How did they do this? How did they strip the West of its freedoms so that it can no longer defend itself?’

    And, for the most part, it boils down to the Long March Through The Institutions.

    What is open to us is to sail up the river and identify where the poison is entering the water and, slowly, try to dig a trench to divert our way of life from letting them infect it with cultural poison that leaks into everything we do.

    It’s not quick or easy. But it’s got to be part of the plan.

    And the other thing that has made life so easy for them is federalism.

    Central control has handed them a gift of Orwellian nightmare proportions.

    Any vote, any purchase, any boycott, any idea that can be used against that is welcome by me.

  262. China “extremely close” to agreeing multi-billion pound investment in UK’s nuclear industry, energy secretary Ed Davey tells marrshow

  263. Chancellor George Osborne says the Beijing Construction Engineering Group will work with UK companies to construct new Manchester Airport

    And our kids get the highest grades possible at most uni’s.
    ODD.

  264. EC 13th, – 10:54

    “Elk and Safety” 🙂

    Does it say anything about depleted uranium?

  266. Daniel Hannan has written an appalling piece of spin that has been pulled very quickly from the Shariagraph’s Comment front page

    It says:

    ‘I’ve had no dealings with Quilliam, but this latest coup, in my book, justifies a great many champagne receptions.’

    That is an invitation from one trougher to another that Maajid Nawaz can now bump up his taxpayer-funded budget next year by a whopping amount.

    Mr Nawaz and chums have just got themselves a meal ticket to be the new Trevor Phillips.

    The taxpayer going to be paying a man who says he is an ‘ex’ Islamist to live like a lottery winner for the rest of his life.

    My, how jihadism pays.

    Tommy Robinson is Quilliam’s ticket to Question Time, Any Answers, the newspaper reviews on 24-hour news channels and so on – and then to fleece the taxpayer.

    I think most people know that and would like to point it out to Dan Hannan.

    Why esle does it say: ‘Comments are closed’?

  267. Peter Hitchens points up another of those federal nasties they keep inventing: the National Crime Agency.

    ‘It is directly under the control of the Government, which appoints its boss. That boss can issue orders to chief constables, who are supposed to be independent of government but now are so no longer.

    ‘Its officers are civil servants who must obey their superiors.

    ‘This sets them apart from traditional British constables who swear an oath to uphold the law, and so are actively obliged to refuse unlawful orders.’

    How very convenient if you want to get rid of political enemies and stitch them up on false charges.

    And given that the civil service more or less works for Brussels, what a wonderful tentacle for Merkel & Co to reach out with.

    How much easier it is to socially engineer by working ‘beyond authority’, as Julia Middleton phrases it.

    We don’t want the ‘wrong’ sort of party getting near the ballot paper, do we?

    He closes:

    ‘It has been created without any fuss or major opposition. And one day, in the hands of a future government, it could be a real menace. When that comes about, don’t say nobody warned you.’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2456923/I-dont-know-crooks-fear-Britains-new-FBI–terrify-rest-us.html

  268. I see that spiteful Bullingdon coward Osborne is getting Andrew ‘Nosey’ Parker and special branch to do some roughing up for him:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2457345/Mistress-Pain-pictured-George-Osborne-raided-police-eve-book-release.html

    At time of writing not one person had red arrowed these comments. Everyone had green arrowed them:

    Doctor, London, United Kingdom

    ‘This is the actual purpose of the security services, which is why Saville couldn’t be reported on until he died.’

    Doctor, London, United Kingdom

    ‘This is standard procedure for how the state operates. This is come to light because the woman is already known to the public because of past media stories, but when this happens everyday to ordinary members of the public, it isn’t reported on by the press, and the findings of any complaint to the police would state that the search was a proper search instigated by an anonymous tip-off and that officers denied making any comments about “can of worms” and “writing memoirs”.’

  269. I see M&S is in the doo doo.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2456916/Make-break-M-amp-S-ad-blitz-5-million-flop-middle-class-women-turn-Tracey-Emin.html

    I don’t know if it’s all Tracey Emin’s fault. She does, though, represent a very powerful cultural tool for the people who give her taxpayers’ money.

    So much modern public art is about infantilising adults. Statues of war heroes and religious figures are replaced with meaningless blobs or things a child could have made or drawn.

    Its constant message is: ‘Don’t worry about the things people used to worry about – your country, your leadership, just get to your inner child.’

    It’s a form of cultural chloroform.

    It permeates so much modern art, which is why councils and central government hose it down with money: ‘Don’t think. Just feel. Think in blobs and shapes. And go to sleep, while we get social engineering and putting our fingers in the till. Don’t hold us to account, just draw your blob, there’s a dear.’

    And Katie Piper was in that ad campaign too.

    Poor Katie. Her misadventure has been dressed up as a triumph for ‘feminism’ (whatever that is these days, since that movement seems to endorse selective female abortion).

    But it wasn’t a triumph for feminism at all.

    Katie’s misadventure was an indictment of multi-culturalism and mass immigration. Everyone was afraid of the special cultural licence society afforded to her boyfriend. And he consequently did as he pleased.

    It’s supposed to be a campaign about strong, intelligent women but at least two of them aren’t strong enough in the face of the cultural onslaught. Perhaps it’s fairer to say that society has stripped them of their cultural defences.

    This is not just cultural manipulation.

    It’s M&S cultural manipulation.

  270. Joanie captures it all in her post of 15.55. It is chillingly the case.

    How on earth did the British, so formerly such independent people, begin to let governments and unelected agencies and strange organisations like Common Purpose, unelected, secretive, destructive, start dictating to them?

    I must say the muslims were a blessing for these organisations … a welcome heel to grind on the British throat.

  271. I see that Nigel Lawson would also fail my British-ness test. His father was born in London, but his parents did not have British citizenship. They were Russian and Austrian Jews with the name of Liebson.

  272. Peter from Maidstone @ 18:44
    I fear that William the Conquerer would also fail your British-ness test!
    So would Cliff Richards. :=)

  273. Isnt HMQ’s real name saxe cobourg? and phil the greek, battenberg?

    german, not british!.

  274. I’m looking at the NHS Board with respect to Britishness.

    There are 16 Board members. There are 7 Non-Executives and 9 Executives.

    Sir Malcolm Grant is a New Zealander. He didn’t come to the UK till he was 25. (Non-British)

    Ed Smith has acquired a wide portfolio of board positions, including being Chairman of the watermelon organisation WWF-UK.

    Ciarán Devane is Irish. (Non-British)

    Margaret Casely-Hayford is of Ghanaian background, though born herself in the UK (Non-British)

    Moira Gibb has a background as council executive in various places, recently Labour Camden.

    Naguib Kheraj is of Pakistani origin, though born herself in the UK (Non-British)

    Lord Victor Adebowale is of Nigerian origin, though born in the UK (Non-British)

    David Nicholson is of course a well known communist.

    Bruce Keogh is Rhodesian and came to the UK to study. (Non-British)

    Jane Cummings is Chief Nurse

    Bill MacCarthy is Policy Director

    Barbara Hakin is Deputy Chief Executive under investigation for threatening staff.

    Rosamond Roughton is partner of the Morecambe NHS Trust CEO responsible for 16 infant deaths.

    Michael Baumann has a Germanic name but his family seems to have been in the UK for some generations.

    Jo-Anne Wass is HR. Thankfully she is committed to increasing diversity in the NHS.

    Tim Kelsey is an ex-journalist and Advisor on Transparency.

    So out of 16 board members 6 are non-British and others are communist or socialist. I am sure they are all good people and hard-working. But having at least 6/16 non-British board members on the NHS (and it may be higher) seems a large caucus of 37.5%. It’s difficult to check all the backgrounds of these people. But at least 37.5% are non-British.

    The various official positions that these people have acquired is just as disturbing.

  275. You miss my point entirely. It has nothing to do with surnames. I have stated that to be British, at a minimum requires that both of one’s parents had been born in Britain of naturalised or natural British citizens. HMQ is British. Her parents were born in Britain of British citizens.

    Anne, of course William the Conqueror is not British – his name rather gives it away. And Cliff Richard is not standing for public office. As a non-British he should not be able to if he wished. Prince Philip is not naturally British, he has acquired citizenship.

  276. My alternative view of British-ness is that three of four grandparents be British. This is the case for the three Princes and the Princess Royal, since Her Majesty’s parents were British, and Prince Philip’s mother was British, indeed was born in the presence of Queen Victoria. That must have been a blessing for her mother!

  277. It’s interesting that May is now opening the way for non-British Chief Constables, I mean those who have no connection with Britain at all, and no connection with our laws, history and culture. In a state that is becoming totalitarian it is best that those who are going to be agents of repression should have no connection with or loyalty to the society that the state wishes to dominate.

  278. P From M 20:53 – Chilling. The more so since absolutely true. And someone, or a group of someones, planned it this way. And the British, frankly, were so easily cowed that they watched their country being dismantled and turned into a foreign land and feared to object.

  279. Peter from Maidstone
    October 13th, 2013 – 20:12
    David Nicholson is of course a well known communist.
    =========
    He is an evil man and a bully. He is a leech on the finances of the NHS and responsible for many of the deaths at the notorious Stafford Hospital. I want to see him grow old and helpless and finish up in the geriatric ward of an NHS hospital.

  280. As it is the end of the week, I thought some might find this both true and amusing.

    Subject: Sign of the times!

    User: My usual password is not working suddenly, why?

    Website chat assistant: Your password has expired – you must register a new one.

    User: Why do I need a new one as that one was working fine?

    Website: you must get a new one as they automatically expire every 30 days.

    User: Can I use the old one and just re-register it?

    Website: No, you must get a new one.

    User: I don’t want a new one as that is one more thing for me to remember.

    Website: Sorry, you must get a new one.

    User: ok, roses

    Website: Sorry you must use more letters.

    User: pretty roses

    Website: you must use at least one number.

    User: 1 pretty rose

    Website: you cannot use blank spaces.

    User: 1prettyrose

    Website: you must use additional letters.

    User: 1fxckingprettyrose

    Website: you must use at least one capital letter.

    User: 1FxCKINGprettyrose

    Website: you cannot use more than one capital letter in a row.

    User: 1Fxckingprettyrose

    Website: you must use additional letters.

    User: 1Fxckingprettyroseshovedupyourassifyoudon’tgivemeaccessrightfxckingnow

    Website: Sorry, that password is already being used.

  281. I remember that when Sir Edmund Hillary climbed Mount Everest I felt boyishly proud, but is seemed to me natural that an Englishman had done it…

  282. Peter from Maidstone

    You will be relieved to hear that my children don’t qualify under your guideline. This is also reflected in the half-arsed British passports with which they have been issued which carry the status assigned them by government as citizens who cannot automatically pass on their nationality to their own children.

    By the way, WWF-UK looks lime a new Frank P acronym.

  283. John birch
    October 13th, 2013 – 11:49

    “China “extremely close” to agreeing multi-billion pound investment in UK’s nuclear industry, energy secretary Ed Davey tells marrshow”

    …….

    “China’s official news agency has called for the creation of a “de-Americanised world”, saying the destinies of people should not be left in the hands of a hypocritical nation with a dysfunctional government.” (Drudge Report)

    Ah, Pax Sinica! I can hardly wait…

  284. Veterans Remove Barricades from Memorials and Bring Them to WH (Breitbart)

    Way to go! Barricade the barricaders!

  285. What the future holds:

    “BOSTON (CBS/AP) – People in Ohio, Michigan and 15 other states found themselves unable to use their food stamp debit-style cards on Saturday, after a routine test of backup systems by vendor Xerox Corp. resulted in a system failure.

    At about 9 a.m. Saturday, reports from across the country began pouring in that customers’ EBT cards were not working in stores”

    The government there and here has its constituency by the short and curlies.

  286. “Does the EDL represent a view that needs to be heard?”. Apparently 95% of respondents said “YES” when it was asked,live,on the BBC One Sunday politics show.

  287. Radford NG

    The other 5% can be found on the Wall…conservatives to a man, of course. They added the rider to their positive response: “as long as it is not voiced in a public assembly”.

  288. All this navel-gazing over who is or isn’t, should or shouldn’t be English is crap. Just own up – if you ain’t white, you ain’t British.

    Simple really.

  289. Malfleur.

    Doubtless those in charge of China’s huge investments in US Treasury bonds have had anxious times. But among the Chinese leadership, surely some are rubbing their hands with glee at what America has been doing to itself.
    Roger Bootle is managing director of Capital Economics
    roger.bootle@capitaleconomics.com

  290. I think the times are so significant and dangerous that laws need to be passed that do restrict those who may stand for high office. Such laws will undoubtedly restrict the activities of friends as well as those who wish us harm. But in my own posts I have said that:

    i. All manner of people may be granted permission to work here.
    ii. All manner of people may be granted permission to become resident here.
    iii. All manner of people may acquire citizenship which they may pass on to their children.

    But if there are no restrictions then we cannot avoid discovering that as our cities become majority-immigrant population centres then so do our political and public service rulers.

    My great-great-grandfather on my mother’s side would not have been allowed to stand for MP according to my very loose definition of Britishness as his father was French. But that must be the case otherwise we have to say that all people from all backgrounds can become an MP, or come up with a different definition of being British.

  291. Clear Memories, your viewpoint fails in many regards. My great-great-grandfather was white, but half French, and his father was white but entirely French. On the other hand there are non-white families (how white?) which have been in the UK for generations. It must be possible to become British. I worked with a man with a German origin surname. But his migrant ancestor was perhaps 100 years ago. He was certainly British.

    Either being naturally British means something, and means something more than being a naturalised Briton, or it means nothing, in which case we cannot complain if the British population is replaced with another British population. If it means something then it must surely mean at least that those in high office in Britain must be British.

  292. @Clear Memories 14th, – 04:53

    “if you ain’t white, you ain’t British.”

    Sorry, old chap; not with you on that one.

  293. Malfleur-October 14th, 2013 – 01:25

    “Radford NG
    The other 5% can be found on the Wall…conservatives to a man, of course. They added the rider to their positive response: “as long as it is not voiced in a public assembly”.

    Who might you be referring to, I wonder? To me? Frank P?
    After all we both demurred from your enthusiastic and unqualified support for a political rabble rouser and leader who, as a man, I for one, would never dream of employing in any capaciity because of his lengthy criminal record.
    His declaration that he will shop his former EDL ‘comrades’, and probably has already done so, gives us a further, true measure of the man.
    I would have thought, in the circumstances, that a period of quiet and reflection, followed by a public apology on the Wall, for your unconditional support of this self-serving man, and your abuse of those who disagreed with you, and who was preaching one message even whilst he was intending planning his defection, would be in order.
    But it seems not. So like many who argue and insult those who live in this country for their supposed lack of patriotism and courage and action in the face of an increasingly totalitarian state, I would urge you to show those same qualities that you find lacking in others and make the sacrifice of renouncing the expatriate lifestyle you enjoy.
    In short, desist from your safe haven rabble rousing and abuse from the sidelines several thousand miles away, return to the UK and put your money where your mouth is by articulating and applying your principles and views on the ground.
    I am aware of one political movement that requires a new leader, would you be up for it?

  294. @Clear Memories 14th, – 04:53
    “if you ain’t white, you ain’t British.”
    Clear Memories, I hope you are being sardonic, perhaps ironic. If you are serious, this cruel barb neither suits you nor this CHW. I trained with many black or mixed race British people, and I believe there are more black Britons then there are white. As far as English goes, I am pretty sure there are more whites.

  295. `UK Prime Minister` tweets: `To Muslims in Britain and around the world I wish you peace and happiness at al-Adha.Eid Mubarak!`……..`Ghaffar Hussair` tweets: `Its a bad time to be a goat right now in the Middle East`.

  296. Stirred a hornets nest – good! Let me put this in context. My wife was born in Singapore in 1957, where her Father was serving in the RAF. When our daughter was born in the UK in 1983, they refused to register her Mother as being born in RAF Changi Hospital, Singapore – only Singapore. No mention of RAF would be permitted. I had to stand and argue, whilst “local” Asians had their kids registered as British around me!!

    After 2 hours, they would not budge and I left in disgust. (My daughter is now an Australian citizen so it shouldn’t haunt her. But my wife and I had to go through all this crap (again) to move to Oz.)

    Detour to 2006 – my wife was refused residency in a Middle-Eastern State as she was Chinese (and the only reason a Chinese woman would be there is as a whore!)

    Nationality is a construct. Phil the Greek had it right – when the Pakis cheer for England at Lords, we’ll have completed the multi-culti experiment. Until then, you’ll be judged by your skin colour (and, secondarily, by the bits of paper you own).

    I dispute not (AWK) that there are some admirable non-whites on the planet (I have a couple of truly delightful Muslim friends) but none of them are “British” and the majority remain murdering bastards.)

    The truth is that, at the end of the day, British ‘people’ are white. End of story. There are honourable exceptions, but they don’t change the base. No matter how much the BBC tries, there were very few non-whites in early English history. Robin Hood did not have any black outlaws (no black criminals until after the Windrush).

    Blackadder was a white man. and so was Baldrick. I don’t recall ‘Sir’ Tony Robinson forgoing his role (and all the money) so Ainsley Harriot could play a (historically) non-existent Black man.

    If you can’t’ see that, you’ve fallen for the Common Purpose spin and are part of the problem. You are trying to deny the truth and rewrite history.

  298. On the BBC TV 1 News, complaints that estate agents and landlords prejudice against black people seeking rentals. Very interesting to note that NOT ONE OF THE AGENTS WAS WHITE,THEY WERE ALL VERY DARK MOSLEMS!!!!

    Clear Memories: I repeat that there are more Black Britons than white Britons. They can be found in the Caribbean, Africa, India, many places, not including the U,K. By contrast, the U,K, is still mainly white, English, Irish, Scots, Welsh.

  299. Verity
    October 14th, 2013 – 13:49
    Dear Churchill also used a version of this insult to Lady Nancy Astor, he made mention of what he would do if he were her husband!

  300. AWK – If I recall correctly, without looking it up, the incident happened as follows. Churchill did something that displeased some woman, and she said, “If you were my husband, I’d put poison in your tea!”

    To which Churchill responded, “Madam. If I were your husband, I’d drink it.”

  301. I went to The Speccie to see what they were peddling today and it told me I had had my quota of free articles for the month. I haven’t read a single article in The Speccie for weeks, if not months.

  302. Clear Memories October 14th, 2013 – 04:53

    “All this navel-gazing over who is or isn’t, should or shouldn’t be English is crap. Just own up – if you ain’t white, you ain’t British. Simple really.”

    Hello there CM, I am afraid that you are missing the point, as others here have pointed out time and again is that most; as you do in the above statement confuse British with English, or for that matter Welsh, Scottish or Irish.

    Successive governments have de-valued ‘British’ by allowing the whole world to come to these islands and then for whatever reason can then obtain a ‘British’ passport, most of these people then go on to define themselves as British/ followed by their country of birth, eg Pakistani etc.

    Because of this, any Hottentot or Johnny-cum-lately is free to call himself British.

    I am an Englishman (Yorkshire born) as was my father, as was his going back many generations, similarly there are Welsh, Scots and Irish who will make such claims, in the very broad sense we are all British but it is not that that defines us, what defines us all what gives all of us our essence is our nationality.

    Some extremely silly commentators have rounded on the English footballer who has said that only English men should be eligible to play for England in the men’s football World-Cup (I agree with him) they have called him a racist and to back this stupid comment up have said that we were happy enough to have Mohamed “Mo” Farah CBE win gold for England in the 2012 Olympic Games.

    He did not win for England, England is not eligible to field a team at any Olympic Game, this superb, patriotic athlete was a member of the Great Britain and Northern Ireland team, a team that he was fully entitled to be a member of.

  303. David Ossitt@October 14th, 2013 – 15:49

    No such thing as a British passport.

    My passport says quite clearly on it ‘United kingdom of Great Britain and northern Ireland.

    So we are UK citizens, not british
    But the passport has EU all over it -it is clearly an EU document, like drivers licences.
    and sadly BMD certificates now 🙁

  304. Referring back to Radford NG’s comment (01.20) about the 95% of Sunday Morning Live viewers who thought the EDL have a case at least in deed of debate, I thought Tommy Robinson gave a pretty good account of himself when he wasn’t being shouted down by the obligatory smiling Taqiyya merchant.

    Despite the opaque events of recent days, which reek of official skulduggery and doublespeak, and which will only, if ever, begin to make any sense in the light of future developments, I still see him as a basically decent guy, notwithstanding a few foolish and serious mistakes, caught up in events beyond his ability to control.

    The big surprise for me was the normally ghastly Esther Rantzen, who was actually quite sympathetic to TR, perhaps as a result of an encounter she recalled when she was standing as a Parliamentary Candidate: she was approached by two ‘veiled women’ who harangued her for encouraging people to vote at all – it being, of course, against Allah.

  305. Malfleur October 14th, 2013 – 00:34

    “I remember that when Sir Edmund Hillary climbed Mount Everest I felt boyishly proud, but is seemed to me natural that an Englishman had done it…”

    Sir Edmund was New Zealand born, but I take your point in those days (29 May 1953) we would have classed him as one of us.

  306. Alexsandr October 14th, 2013 – 16:13
    “No such thing as a British passport. My passport says quite clearly on it ‘United kingdom of Great Britain and northern Ireland. So we are UK citizens, not british”

    Just look inside directly to the right of your photograph, just below your first name and above your date of birth.

    Under the label entitled Nationality/Nationalité
    British Citizen.

  308. The 95% who agreed that the EDL represented a point of view that needed to be heard weren’t necessarily agreeing with that point of view.

  315. Noa – October 14th, 2013 – 18:28

    That’s the most hearteningly* optimistic news that I’ve read for a very long time.

    *I can’t find that form of the word in our dictionary, but it feels right & matches my feeling of euphoria.

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